So, I thought these were at least worth talking about. To be honest, they've really been a mixed bag for me. I wouldn't put any of them on par with the likes of Mask of the Phantasm or Return of the Joker, but there are some that are of admirable quality and worth a re-watch. I'll give my ratings on all of the ones that I've seen so far, and very brief thoughts on them:
Superman: Doomsday (3/10)- As their first effort at this, I thought that this was terrible, given how little they got me to care about a character that I loved in the DCAU shows
Justice League: The New Frontier (9/10)- I haven't read the original comic, and I hear that this movie cut a lot out from the original source material; that said, I still really liked it, despite it admittedly feeling a bit rushed
Batman: Gotham Knight (6/10)- The quality varies by short, but it's an OK feature, overall
Wonder Woman (9/10)- I really liked this one; it was a good origin story
Green Lantern: First Flight (7/10)- It was fun, but kind of forgettable as well
Superman/Batman: Public Enemies (8/10)- This one just had a really good character dynamic between Batman and Superman
Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths (5/10)- The concept has been done elsewhere and quite frankly done much better (BTBATB did it much better, for example)
Batman: Under The Red Hood (6/10)- Points for excellent fight scenes and John DiMaggio as The Joker, but overall this just fell a bit flat of its potential for me, mostly due to the relatively weak second and third acts
Superman/Batman: Apocalypse (5/10)- It was cool having the DCAU JL voice actors reprise their roles for this, but other than that it was pretty by the numbers and rather boring, IMO
All-Star Superman (5/10)- Alright, let me just say that Dwayne McDuffie is a great writer, and as one of his last projects I wanted to rate this higher, but I have to be honest and say that the script was just a mess; perhaps if this had been split into a series of shorts or a mini-series like it was clearly meant to be, it would have faired better, but it just felt too disjointed as it is; I will say that it definitely had the right tone for a good Superman movie, but it lacked any proper coherency, IMO
Green Lantern: Emerald Knights (N/A)- I still have yet to see this series of shorts
Batman: Year One (10/10)- This is by far my favorite feature; it's also the shortest one (not counting individual shorts) at just under an hour, but the time is used efficiently; it's an excellent origin story with stellar animation and fight scenes, and it really gave me a whole new appreciation for Commissioner Gordon as a character, while reminding me of why I love Batman in the first place; consider this to be my personal favorite
Justice League: Doom (6/10)- This was just another forgettable one, IMO; I liked the idea of the plans to destroy them coming from data stolen from Batman's computer, but some of the plans themselves were just kind of stupid when you stop to really think about them
Superman vs. The Elite (N/A)- Another one that I have yet to see
The Dark Knight Returns Part I (8/10)- I don't care for the art style, but other than that it's a solid story with a really good take on an older but still fit and fully functional Bruce Wayne/Batman
The Dark Knight Returns Part II (9/10)- I think this is even better than the first part thanks to the conflict with the Joker, and later on with Superman; it feels a bit disjointed in terms of plot compared to the first part, but it also had me more invested in the characters
Superman: Unbound (N/A)- And this is the last one that I haven't seen
Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox (7/10)- I enjoy the Flash, and while it wasn't as much just his story as the title would lead you to believe, it was a well-done movie that executed a tired and cliche concept in a relatively fresh way; and I liked seeing a reality with Thomas Wayne as Batman, and how he was different from Bruce's Batman
Justice League: War (5/10)- This felt like a DBZ movie; lots of action to go around, but very little time spent on character development or even giving you a reason to care about anyone in the first place; I just didn't find myself enjoying it
Son of Batman (4/10)- The most recent animated DTV by them, and it's the worst one since Doomsday, IMO; Damien has absolutely no growth or character arc; he's an insufferable brat throughout the entire thing and then just decides to change at the end just because the script told him to; it's a great concept executed poorly; once again, I point you to TBATB to see this character done much better
And those are my thoughts on the films up to date. I'll try and watch the ones that I missed so that I can give you all my thoughts on them as well.
The DC dtv movies are a mixed bag for me. The only ones I enjoyed were Wonder Woman, Justice League: The New Frontier, The Dark Knight Returns I & II, and Batman: Year One. I thought Gotham Knight and Justice League: Doom were decent, though. I haven't seen any of the ones past DKRII, and from everything I've heard about them, I don't really plan to.
I need to find a wiki page with the order that these films came out so I can watch them. I'm sure they have them all on my brother's Netflix that I watch on my 360 and I've been meaning to catch up.
Quote from: Cartoon X on June 14, 2014, 06:19:49 PM
The DC dtv movies are a mixed bag for me. The only ones I enjoyed were Wonder Woman, Justice League: The New Frontier, The Dark Knight Returns I & II, and Batman: Year One. I thought Gotham Knight and Justice League: Doom were decent, though. I haven't seen any of the ones past DKRII, and from everything I've heard about them, I don't really plan to.
I'd say GLFF and Public Enemies were decent. The rest of the shorts besides the ones that you mentioned have ranged from mediocre to bad, though.
I've only seen the first 4, Crisis on 2 Earths, and All-Star Superman, and of those, I agree with you 100%.
I kind of lost interest after a little while, so I haven't been keeping up. I do want to see the Green Lantern movies and Batman: Year One eventually, though. I do have to say that I'd be more interested if Warner/DC was willing to make some movies for more than just Bats, Supes, and the League. From what I've gathered, Wonder Woman and the first Green Lantern were even among their better sellers (the second GL wasn't as much, but as a tie-in to the Ryan Reynolds movie, what did you expect?), so I don't get why they're afraid to make more full-length films for the rest of DC's heroes.
The only one I saw was Under the Red Hood because I wanted to see the character not completely stupid like he was in the comics. Truthfully, I liked how they handled him there and actually made him more anti-hero than villain.
I haven't seen any of the other ones, since I keep getting mixed reactions to them all.
Otherwise, there was another botched attempt at the Death & Return of Superman in Doomsday. Why they can't make a good adaption of this, I don't know. There's more than enough material and creative people at DC to really make something great. They just can't seem to do it. What a waste of potential.
They should just actually call it the Death & Return Of Superman and try again. Also, make sure the voice acting doesn't suck this time. :>
I thought Wonder Woman was very good. I've only seen a few of these movies, but that was the one that stood out to me.
I love Wonder Woman. Either that or Crisis On Two Earths is my favorite. I also love New Frontier.
As someone who's never been much of a Wonder Woman fan, I do recommend it. This is probably the closest to a good movie for her that we'll get, too.
It is good and yeah, you don't even have to like her to enjoy it. I've never been given a reason to before that movie.
The cast for Batman's next DTV (http://www.toonzone.net/2015/01/cast-batman-vs-robin-announced-jason-omara-returns-weird-al-yankovic-joins) was announced.
Kevin Conroy is back (although he plays Thomas Wayne, not Bruce) and Weird Al is the villain.
Coming May 12... (http://variety.com/2015/biz/news/dc-entertainment-to-launch-animated-movies-shorts-around-superhero-toy-lines-exclusive-1201418664)
(https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/batman-unlimited-logo.jpg)
If this is the only way I can get Red Robin and Nightwing together, I guess I'll take it.
Mark Hamill is back as the Joker!!! (http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/mark-hamill-confirmed-joker-batman-killing-joke)
I haven't seen any of these besides the ones I mentioned previously, but this is something that I could get behind.
Mark Hamill being back is great news, but I really don't trust the people who made Flashpoint Paradox, Assault on Arkham, and Son of Batman to do The Killing Joke justice. (I know some of the DC animated films have apparently been good, but I haven't yet seen one of those firsthand.) That said, should they decide to base the color scheme off of John Higgins' original coloring job, I'll watch it without question.
Quote from: Avaitor on July 27, 2015, 09:16:08 PM
Mark Hamill is back as the Joker!!! (http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/mark-hamill-confirmed-joker-batman-killing-joke)
I haven't seen any of these besides the ones I mentioned previously, but this is something that I could get behind.
Me too!
I'm always glad to hear Hamill's Joker. But like Foggle, I have my doubts that this film will be much good with DC's recent track record with their dtvs, especially since I already find the comic itself a bit indulgent with some of it's more "shocking" content (I still like/respect it though, don't get the wrong idea).
Quote from: Foggle on July 27, 2015, 09:35:05 PMThat said, should they decide to base the color scheme off of John Higgins' original coloring job, I'll watch it without question.
This.
I do have to admit, I'm not a big fan of how The Killing Joke has influenced this more recent "shock value for the sake of shock value" mentality in modern comics, or at least how many of today's writers in this regard use it as a template. Of course, this could also be traced back to Watchmen, but even that was a little smarter and more tasteful in that regard.
If it's as amazing as this scene (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kscfb9XzPs), then I could be interested. It's better than anything the comics have ever done with the character.
I honestly don't give a flip about modern comics obsession with grimdark and gore. I want to watch heroes being heroes and villains being villains now. Is that so much to ask?
Quote from: Cartoon X on July 27, 2015, 09:47:02 PM
I already find the comic itself a bit indulgent with some of it's more "shocking" content (I still like/respect it though, don't get the wrong idea).
I agree with this, though only in hindsight. Between Alan Moore himself saying that he thought he went too far, the much less surreal/creepy recolored version, and DC's obsession with having their cake and eating it too in regards to Barbara Gordon, I've been soured on the story a bit. But, if read with the proper context and original John Higgins coloring, it's definitely one of the greats.
Quote from: Avaitor on July 27, 2015, 10:00:45 PM
I do have to admit, I'm not a big fan of how The Killing Joke has influenced this more recent "shock value for the sake of shock value" mentality in modern comics, or at least how many of today's writers in this regard use it as a template. Of course, this could also be traced back to Watchmen, but even that was a little smarter and more tasteful in that regard.
Yeah, most of my problems with modern Batman stem directly from this comic, but that's mostly just due to bad writers and stupid editors trying to recreate TKJ's success. The shock value worked in this particular instance for multiple reasons - this kind of thing hadn't really been done before, the character of Batgirl had been retired years before its publication, the surrealism in the art and coloring - but what DC did to Stephanie Brown a decade ago was unconscionable, and Arkham Knight has some of the most pathetic writing I've ever seen from the franchise.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on July 27, 2015, 10:10:04 PM
I honestly don't give a flip about modern comics obsession with grimdark and gore. I want to watch heroes being heroes and villains being villains now. Is that so much to ask?
Check out Batman '66 and the most recent Batgirl run. That shit is dope.
Don't forget Sue Dibny.
I don't mind raised stakes or blood in action stories, but there just is a point where I'm rolling my eyes and getting sick of seeing the same hyper-violence and ultra-seriousness that reminds me of the stuff of recent shonen like Seraph of the End that I have no interest in.
Quote from: Avaitor on July 27, 2015, 10:13:54 PM
Don't forget Sue Dibny.
How appropriate that it started one of the worst things DC has ever done.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on July 27, 2015, 10:18:51 PM
I don't mind raised stakes or blood in action stories, but there just is a point where I'm rolling my eyes and getting sick of seeing the same hyper-violence and ultra-seriousness that reminds me of the stuff of recent shonen like Seraph of the End that I have no interest in.
Oh, I completely agree. To me, Batman will always be Adam West and The Animated Series. I don't mind the darker or more violent stories, but only if they still have some semblance of heart or character to them. Grant Morrison, Chuck Dixon, Kelley Puckett, and Gail Simone were/are all really good at that.
Quote from: Foggle on July 27, 2015, 10:24:04 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on July 27, 2015, 10:18:51 PM
I don't mind raised stakes or blood in action stories, but there just is a point where I'm rolling my eyes and getting sick of seeing the same hyper-violence and ultra-seriousness that reminds me of the stuff of recent shonen like Seraph of the End that I have no interest in.
Oh, I completely agree. To me, Batman will always be Adam West and The Animated Series. I don't mind the darker or more violent stories, but only if they still have some semblance of heart or character to them. Grant Morrison, Chuck Dixon, Kelley Puckett, and Gail Simone were/are all really good at that.
If you haven't seen Under the Red Hood or The Brave & The Bold, you totally should. They manage both sides of the character really well without indulging in a lot of the stupidity of retcon punches or "Stupidest Boy Dead" that DC was rolling in before they decided to burn it all down with the New 52.
I've really been meaning to watch more Brave & The Bold. I read some of the comic tie-in a few days ago, and it's just so good. Exactly what I want from a superhero series.
Is Under The Red Hood really that good? I've always tried to avoid stories featuring Jason Todd whenever possible...
The New 52 was such a bad idea. At most, it should have been a separate line like Marvel's Ultimate universe. It's not even a full reset either; something like 50% of the old universe is somehow still canon, and it's almost impossible to know what. Why would they throw out nearly 70 years' worth of character development and continuity just like that...?
Court Of The Owls is pretty much, if not the only thing I want to check out in New 52.
Scott Snyder is a damn good Batman writer. Animal Man, Batgirl, and pre-lineup change Batwoman are also really good.
Some good things have come out of the New 52, no doubt.
Quote from: Foggle on July 27, 2015, 10:37:38 PM
I've really been meaning to watch more Brave & The Bold. I read some of the comic tie-in a few days ago, and it's just so good. Exactly what I want from a superhero series.
It's on Netflix and really, really, cheap on DVD. Give it a shot. I'm pretty sure you'd really like it if you like '60s Batman and BTAS. John Dimaggio's Aquaman is the only version of the character that is any good, IMO.
Quote from: Foggle on July 27, 2015, 10:37:38 PMIs Under The Red Hood really that good? I've always tried to avoid stories featuring Jason Todd whenever possible...
It's the only good portrayal of the character. It gives him a better death and revival, clearer motivations, less obnoxious personality (just watch the clip), and actually manages to be sympathetic and at least willing to become something more than an anti-hero if he could surpass his demons. This is the version of the character I enjoy and only wish he had been seriously pursued instead of the pure gimmickry his revival was used for as just another grimdark antihero in the comics.
My only issue with the movie was that it should have been longer and was missing Tim Drake as the current Robin. Otherwise, it was the best of the animated films I saw.
Quote from: Foggle on July 27, 2015, 10:37:38 PMThe New 52 was such a bad idea. At most, it should have been a separate line like Marvel's Ultimate universe. It's not even a full reset either; something like 50% of the old universe is somehow still canon, and it's almost impossible to know what. Why would they throw out nearly 70 years' worth of character development and continuity just like that...?
This is what came of endlessly spinning your wheels with serious stories. The Golden Age and Silver Age worked because they were always standalone or arc stories. The Bronze Age and up were ongoing stories that repeatedly killed people and brought them back, retconned things over and over, and was obsessed with event stories that nobody wanted in the first place. It became a mess.
The thing is, with the New 52 they basically just did the same thing again and are going to run into the same problems. If you want a story with a beginning, middle, and end, you have to commit and go the whole way. That's how we got Kyle Rayner and Wally West. But since they can't do that, we just end up with stories that endlessly spin their wheels and go nowhere instead.
Basically, I'm a fan of episodic series and stories that tell a complete tale and come to an end. Comics used to be the first one, and I don't mind if they want to be the latter. But they haven't shown they can do it yet. At least, Marvel and DC have problems with it-I still ignore anything Spider-Girl after the original series ending. They even had to try and grimdark that universe up with the Spiderverse idiocy.
Quote from: Foggle on July 27, 2015, 10:51:25 PM
Scott Snyder is a damn good Batman writer. Animal Man, Batgirl, and pre-lineup change Batwoman are also really good.
You don't have to tell me that. I'm having a love affair with American Vampire. :blush:
Also, did they take BTBATB off Netflix? Either way, watch it. It's my current favorite cartoon.
The last good DC DTV movies were The Dark Knight Returns two-parter. After that, Bruce Timm stepped down as executive producer of these features (and from what I understand, he had a good deal of creative input on some of these movies). Without him, I have little faith in any new ones being any good.
And as for the people saying that there were never any good ones, I can say that a few of them were really well-done, including:
Wonder Woman
Justice League: The New Frontier
Batman: Year One
The Dark Knight Returns Parts I & II
Also, Public Enemies and First Flight were decent, though nothing spectacular.
On another note, while I respect it, I'm honestly not a fan of The Killing Joke. I don't think that I'd put it on par with Knightfall, The Dark Knight Returns, Year One, or The Long Halloween, myself. Like CX, I acknowledge its significance more than I actually enjoy it on a personal level.
He had more of a direct hand with the recent one, Gods and Monsters. And that one was probably the least stupid DC animated film I watched in a while.
Did TB&TB get removed from Netflix there? It's still up here, but we never got season 3.
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on July 27, 2015, 11:05:40 PM
Bruce Timm stepped down as executive producer of these features
And there goes any hope I have for this.
We lost like all of the CN/Warner cartoons on here around the same time, aside from PPG, Courage, and Chowder. So yeah, no more TB&TB on Netflix.
Oh, by the way, I want to also put in that Year One is a really good movie. I haven't sat down yet with either TDKR movies yet, though.
As for The Killing Joke movie, I'm mostly interested because it'll be great fun to hear Mark Hamill read the lines.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on July 27, 2015, 11:07:52 PM
He had more of a direct hand with the recent one, Gods and Monsters. And that one was probably the least stupid DC animated film I watched in a while.
It looks kind of interesting, just going off of a few pics. I need to check it out.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on July 27, 2015, 11:52:21 PM
Oh, by the way, I want to also put in that Year One is a really good movie. I haven't sat down yet with either TDKR movies yet, though.
Yeah, Year One was great. It's one of my favorite origin stories for a character.
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on July 28, 2015, 12:16:42 AM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on July 27, 2015, 11:52:21 PM
Oh, by the way, I want to also put in that Year One is a really good movie. I haven't sat down yet with either TDKR movies yet, though.
Yeah, Year One was great. It's one of my favorite origin stories for a character.
Wouldn't mind a Green Arrow: Year One starring the cast from the show. ;)
Well, at least we get to see Arrow and The Flash actors voice act for the animated versions of their characters in the upcoming Vixen animated series. ;)
I'm waiting for the morbid DC executive to make Flash Go! and Arrow Go! and air commercials of it nonstop on Cartoon Network.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on July 28, 2015, 01:18:25 AMI'm waiting for the morbid DC executive to make Flash Go! and Arrow Go! and air commercials of it nonstop on Cartoon Network.
Oh, dear god no! :whuh:
Otherwise you might as well make an Ultimate Daredevil cartoon for Disney XD to go along with the butchering trend.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on July 28, 2015, 01:18:25 AM
I'm waiting for the morbid DC executive to make Flash Go! and Arrow Go! and air commercials of it nonstop on Cartoon Network.
IT'S YOUR NEW FAVORITE SHOW! IT'S YOUR NEW FAVORITE SHOW! That's now how it works CN's marketing team. Also, it's basically Johnny Test 2.0 at this point on how they give this show more priority in repeat slots than their other shows.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on July 28, 2015, 12:02:41 AM
As for The Killing Joke movie, I'm mostly interested because it'll be great fun to hear Mark Hamill read the lines.
This is probably the novelty of why I wanted Mark Hamill back as the Joker after his self imposed retirement of voicing him. I just want to hear Hamill read the words. Also, I am interested in seeing if they have the balls to kill the Joker like Grant Morrison thought.
"IT'S YOUR NEW FAVORITE SHOW" actually isn't an unfair claim, since TTG! is the highest rated cartoon with kids nowadays.
Yep.
Have you guys seen these? (http://www.ew.com/article/2015/08/11/dc-graphic-novel-dvd-set) I think it's a brilliant idea!
I went to Best Buy earlier today, and saw a couple of them. Sadly no Year One, though. That's the one that I'm mostly interested in buying. Not only is it supposed to be the best movie that I haven't seen, but it's a great GN which I yet to own. This would be a great way for me to finally catch up.
I'd snap up a Year One set easy. I don't own either of them.
TDKR would be perfect, though.
The Dark Knight Returns would be perfect. This really is an amazing idea.
I really hope that they do one for Justice League: The New Frontier. I really want to read that comic, and the movie was great, IMO.
And yes, Year One is amazing. I loved TDKR, but Year One is my favorite thing to come out of the DC DTV movies.
I still need to check out New Frontier comic as well and I still wonder if anything was edited out of the CN version, thus possibly making it even a bit better.
Quote from: Avaitor on July 28, 2015, 12:05:52 PM
"IT'S YOUR NEW FAVORITE SHOW" actually isn't an unfair claim, since TTG! is the highest rated cartoon with kids nowadays.
Yep.
Not surprised. A lot of kids just love random goofy humor.
So I watched The Killing Joke movie. Dear God, never let Azzarello touch a cartoon again.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on August 01, 2016, 05:09:14 AM
So I watched The Killing Joke movie. Dear God, never let Azzarello touch a cartoon again.
Is he the director?
Watched Killing Joke. I will say that I loved the parts that covered the original story (Which is what I wanted from that adaptation) and that I wasn't too wild with the first 30 minutes of it. I mean... I get that they had to extend the story since the source material was pretty short to make a movie out of, but there is something about this that just bothered me.
They shoukd have just made The Joker's backstories longer, from the sound of it.
The old 1960s Batman cast returns for a DC animated movie. (http://www.toonzone.net/adam-west-burt-ward-julie-newmar-return-animated-batman-return-caped-crusader) (Trailer included.)
So we're getting an R-rated directors cut of Wonder Woman '09 (http://screenrant.com/r-rated-wonder-woman-animated/?utm_source=SR-FB-P&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_campaign=SR-FB-P&view=lista).
...Interesting. It's pretty far removed from the original release, and I don't see what an extended cut could really add. But I do think that it's one of the better of their animated films, and I'm not much of a fan of Diana.
It's probably the first thing that made me like Wonder Woman so I am very interested.
Always loved Wonder Woman and wanted a sequel to this. Hope if its really good this new cut can open the way for it finally having one.
A sequel with the same team would be amazing
I recently checked out the new Teen Titans film that DC put out. Like most of their output, it's pretty OK. I think a big problem that I have with DC's DTVs is that they just take classic and iconic stories from the comics and then just kind of make lazy, uninspired, rehashed versions of them that don't take into account how to properly adapt a work. With something like The Killing Joke, they so awkwardly inserted in a completely out of place prologue that not only didn't connect to the main story, but in fact even hurt it by flat-out insulting Batgirl's character. What's sad is that this is the same team that did such a great job with adapting Batman: Year One, which was under an hour in length and didn't at all need to prolong its time in order to make it feel more like a full-length movie, as the core story was strong enough as it was. Even the parts of The Killing Joke that were from the comic just felt so lazily handled in terms of how they had such stitled and limited animation, and no interesting visuals or creative liberties that worked better in animated form. I understand that they were paying homage to the comic book by trying to look as much like the original as possible, but if I wanted that, I'd just go and read the comic. In an adaptation I want a version of the story that works better for that medium. With this new Teen Titans movie, it felt rather flat and unexciting because it was a big story with incredibly important character moments without any of the context behind it. A story like the Judas Contract only works with years of history between the characters building up to that story. Just presenting it as a stand-alone piece simply won't do it much, if any, justice.
The frustrating thing is that DC has proven that they can do a good DTV movie right with The New Frontier, Wonder Woman '09, Year One, and The Dark Knight Returns, but more often than not they seem to ignore what worked about those movies and instead focus on either big stories to promote their current comics (whether it sutits an animated feature format or not) or pointless fanservice.
That said, I still have yet to see their 60's Batman throwback feature, which I heard was pretty good, so maybe they do still come out with good stuff from time to time, but on the whole I've been rather unimpressed with most of their output in recent years.
How were Justice League Dark and Gods and Monsters? Both of those seemed kind of appealing, but I've been pretty behind on these movies.
I do agree with you on why Judas Contract wouldn't work as a standalone movie. And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the reason that they put that off for so long? I know it was going to be one of the earlier films, but they dropped it for a while.
Gods and Monsters was better than I expected. I thought it would be Justice Lords Part Deux, but they actually do some interesting things in the movie.
Gods and Monsters was pretty "meh" for me. It had some interesting ideas, and I don't regret watching it, but it was also kind of forgettable on the whole if I'm to be perfectly honest. The thing that I remember the most about it is that the guy who played Dexter does the voice of this Universe's version of Batman....who happens to be a vampire.
I haven't seen Justice League Dark yet, so I can't comment on that one.
Unless this guy's making shit up, we're back to Bruce Timm's horrible ships. (https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/6otbm0/anyone_who_got_to_attend_the_batman_harley_quinn/dkk8lm6/)
Batman and Harley Quinn was so awful that I implore everyone here to watch it. It's a kind of bad that you have to experience first hand. Like the one minute scene of Harley doing a crossword puzzle, then the 7 minute musical sequence, and this.
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fnh046w9.jpg&hash=dced3fae13e05c817ac72ecb2f7579fcf3c37076)
God damn-it, DC! :srs:
Worst part is that there's nothing in the movie that contradicts the DCAU, so it's the closest we have to a continuation. And there are hints this takes place a few months after the flashback scene in Return of the Joker, which makes some of the character interactions particularly creepy. I want to reveal the worst part of the movie, but it's a spoiler that has to be seen to be believed. All I can say is that it involved Harley needing to go to the bathroom, and Batman told her no.
So, are we talking worse than Batman and Batgirl bonking on a rooftop for absolutely no reason at all to make her implied rape by the Joker somehow seem less sexist according to bad writers?
Because if so, then.....:whuh:
Well, there is another moment where...
Spoiler
Harley's strongly implied to have had sex with Dick. And because he should be in a relationship with Barbara at this point, this would be the impetus for them breaking up and Bruce dating her as was stated in Beyond. So in a certain light, this would be interpreted as Timm trying to rationalize his first ship by making another one? And if this does take place in the DCAU, this means Dick fucked a woman who mentally and physically tortured his foster brother until he was a catatonic Joker clone...
And not to mention that most of the conflict in the movie happens because Poison Ivy and Floronic Man get high off of psychotropic yams.
What am I even reading? Seriously, how this a movie?
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on August 15, 2017, 09:31:44 PMBatman and Harley Quinn was so awful that I implore everyone here to watch it. It's a kind of bad that you have to experience first hand.
Can we get more screencaps, please? :happytime:
Quote from: Daikun on August 16, 2017, 11:04:10 PM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on August 15, 2017, 09:31:44 PMBatman and Harley Quinn was so awful that I implore everyone here to watch it. It's a kind of bad that you have to experience first hand.
Can we get more screencaps, please? :happytime:
Have a clip. (https://youtu.be/J8-8XDw5RfU)
:wth:
The fact that it's in the classic DCAU animation style makes it even worse....
https://youtu.be/MxxfS4OREM0
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3xz2BLBOt13X9AgjEA/giphy.gif)
I miss when "Terry is actually Bruce's son because Amanda Waller transmogrified Mr. McGinnis' semen" was the stupidest thing in the DCAU.
Has Bruce Timm finally been knocked off his pedestal?
I've been saying for many years that the quality storytelling that did come out of the DCAU should be credited to Alan Burnett.
Yeah, I've seen a lot of people souring on Bruce Timm these last few years, and I think Batman and Harley Quinn finally nailed that coffin.
Not animation, but Neal Adams made an audio play version of Batman vs Elmer Fudd. (https://youtu.be/TBQw3qjEeIY)
So, I'm very skeptical about anime versions of Western superheroes since they've never been good, but not gonna lie, I think that Batman Ninja (https://youtu.be/CwPFxcefpdU) looks pretty dope.
So, according to Ajay, Gotham by Gaslight is a marked improvement over the previous few DC animated films: https://youtu.be/JoXA7PKzbeg
He is pretty much right about Bruce Timm being a key component to what has been wrong with a lot of these movies recently. The DC DTV flicks have always been a mixed bag for me, but the last few years in particular have been mostly awful. Apparently, despite having some production credits, Timm wasn't as involved with this one, which allows it to actually do its own thing. So, I might give this one a chance.
That said, man does the past few years really make me question how much of Timm's best BTAS episodes were really due to him versus the people reigning him in-check.
Those DC Animated movies did fall out of my radar around the same time Dwayne McDuffie died, and he was the one who steered Justice League to the right course.
Hearing about how much McDuffie did in Justice League makes me want to finally get around to watching all of Unlimited.
I've definitely been feeling this way for a while. Truthfully, Timm didn't have too many writing credits on the DCAU, and his directing is competent, but he also generally worked with the stronger writers like Dini. There's no denying that he was an important part of the DCAU, but I'm not sure just how important.
Also, Best Buy has those recent movie and graphic novel bundles on sale for $13, so I finally picked up Year One. I'm pretty excited to finally get to see the movie, and reread the GN.
I really like how they handled the adaptation. Unlike The Killing Joke, they don't try to unnecessarily pad-out the running time to be over an hour long (the feature clocks in at around 50 minutes), and Bryan Cranston may just deliver my favorite on-screen interpretation of Jim Gordon.
Also, is it just me, or did the animation quality of the DC animated movies become really boring and stiff looking in the past few years? Going back to stuff like Year One, TDKR, Wonder Woman, or even All-Star Superman shows some really stellar art and animation. None of it is movie quality, exactly, but it's also above normal TV quality. When you watch stuff like JLD or TKJ, it feels like a slideshow is playing at times.
I still think they should have went with the anthology approach when adapting The Killing Joke, by adapting two other short Batman stories instead of trying to stretch out one. They could have adapted that one Neil Gaiman comic about Poison Ivy, and perhaps a oneshot Grant Morrison made, and called it Batman Anthologies: The British Invasion.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dw_2g3sXcAAiIJn.jpg)
I sure hope this has less farts.
So DC ended their run of DCAMU movies, and...
(https://i.imgur.com/WKIYvDA.jpg)
...yeah.
(https://preview.redd.it/sxxsr3cshsdb1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=201a4323f988e0c9b6f7a7d46662baecbc2447ae)
... (https://collider.com/watchmen-animated-movie-announcement/)
We're gonna get a Doomsday Clock adaptation after this, aren't we?