How is Nickelodeon doing when it comes to non-SpongeBob cartoons lately, at least in terms of popularity?
Abysmally.
That should have gone without saying
Let's see, the only one I keep tabs on is the new Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Cartoon. I tried watching Breadwinners... I honestly didn't know what the hell I watched when I did that. Korra quality is like a roller coaster and I don't mean that in a good way, Sanjay and Craig is OK, other than that, I don't really care.
I honestly think that Disney has a better hand when it comes to their TV animation department over Nickelodeon, I'll even go farther and say I would rather watch most of Disney's pre-school stuff over Nick's current crop as well.
I honestly really wonder what Nickelodeon is going to do when SpongeBob's popularity runs out. Are they just quietly dreading the day that happens?
It's literally been nearly 25 years since they came out with a show that was able to come close to peak SpongeBob's success.
Nick is in a really bad spot outside of Spongebob. TMNT is doing okay, but that's about all the positive news.
Their live action stuff is tanking except for Sam & Cat which is ironically most likely not going to get renewed, and their animation is failing in the ratings.
They need an overhaul desperately.
What they need is an animated show that they can really market. They should get on that soon. SpongeBob's ratings are slowly declining, so they'll just have to accept that it's only a matter of time now. If this series makes it to season 15, I'd be surprised, unless the next movie gives it a big boost in popularity.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 23, 2014, 06:12:09 PM
Nick is in a really bad spot outside of Spongebob. TMNT is doing okay, but that's about all the positive news.
Their live action stuff is tanking except for Sam & Cat which is ironically most likely not going to get renewed, and their animation is failing in the ratings.
They need an overhaul desperately.
Yeah, Nick at this point does feel a little weak at this point. I agree that Sam & Cat is what I would call their main show, but considering how there have been disputes between Jennette McCurdy and Ariana Grande and the fact that the latter's music career is taking off pretty well (Seriously, Problem is getting some major airwaves time on the radio).... Dan better have something else to sell to Nickelodeon in the near future.
Quote from: talonmalon333 on June 23, 2014, 06:24:52 PM
What they need is an animated show that they can really market. They should get on that soon. SpongeBob's ratings are slowly declining, so they'll just have to accept that it's only a matter of time now. If this series makes it to season 15, I'd be surprised, unless the next movie gives it a big boost in popularity.
This is why you should nurture talent and grow fan-bases instead of throwing talent away and telling your audience that they need to be a specific age to count.
Nick has earned the problems they have.
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Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 23, 2014, 06:12:09 PM
Nick is in a really bad spot outside of Spongebob. TMNT is doing okay, but that's about all the positive news.
Their live action stuff is tanking except for Sam & Cat which is ironically most likely not going to get renewed, and their animation is failing in the ratings.
They need an overhaul desperately.
Yeah, Nick at this point does feel a little weak at this point. I agree that Sam & Cat is what I would call their main show, but considering how there have been disputes between Jennette McCurdy and Ariana Grande and the fact that the latter's music career is taking off pretty well (Seriously, Problem is getting some major airwaves time on the radio).... Dan better have something else to sell to Nickelodeon in the near future.
They made a really big mistake in extending the first season order to 40(!) episodes without even attempting to get anyone to sign a contract for a season 2. Not sure what they were thinking with that.
Overwork, under-appreciation, and bad management and planning is Nickelodeon's signature, it seems.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 23, 2014, 06:35:23 PMThis is why you should nurture talent and grow fan-bases instead of throwing talent away and telling your audience that they need to be a specific age to count.
Nick has earned the problems they have.
I know that. They deserve the failure status that they've gained. To be honest, if Nickelodeon died, I wouldn't be too affected. I mostly just feel bad for SpongeBob because that series is basically suffering the consequences of Nick being so bad. The show had three seasons of 10/10 material, but because the channel has nothing else to come close to its appeal, they've been squeezing the life out of SpongeBob so far beyond what it's lifespan should have been.
I wouldn't mind if CN bought them and then basically Nicktoons Network and Boomerang combined, especially since NTN is my favorite Nick channel these days.
Their most popular shows outside of SpongeBob are Fairly Odd Parents, which most people don't realize is still on, and Sam & Cat, which is all but over.
But yeah, if Nick wants to make the next SpongeBob, they really need to stop picking up existing franchises and shows from Dreamworks, and focus on making killer originals again. CN and Disney aren't having problems doing that, while Nick hasn't had a hit original toon in years. Sanjay & Craig has barely caught on.
..Fairly OddParents is still on?!
I liked it when Nick was actually all about original cartoons. Then they started picking up Marvel cartoons (maybe just one, but still) and anime. Wolverine, Naruto and DBZ Kai aren't bad but I can't help but feel they lost their vision when that happen. Kind of like how Toonami was still good with Samurai Jack on it but it seemed like they just started to put on whatever on the block.
They are just scrambling for whatever shows they can find. But they really can't market anime.
Obviously.
Yeah, they had Wolverine and the Iron Man show, but that was on the Nicktoons channel, which is fine, but stuff like that just doesn't seem to fit with regular Nick.
And I'm not saying that action shows don't fit with Nick. I'm not a Danny Phantom fan, but it and Avatar fit just fine on the network. But licensed properties? I'm not so sure.
I hate Danny Phantom but I know what you mean. Licensed shows do feel out of place. All the other major toon networks just plain do it better.
I thought the licensed shows were stopped because they were flopping. Penguins was the only outright success (because they're the only decent thing about any of those movies) and they just weren't worth the hassle in the long run.
I thought the Kung-Fu Panda and TMNT shows had been doing okay, as well. But I wouldn't be too surprised if they're cutting back.
Like, the Monsters vs. Aliens show, for example. Why? The movie wasn't that successful, yet Nick picked it up without hesitation.
I thought Kung-Fu Panda as a whole hadn't been preforming as well as Dreamworks has hoped, though I think it's mainly because they push it like their Madagascar-style properties when its not the same audience. I haven't heard much about the show in a long time, honestly, because I don't think fans of the movies have much interest in the TV show.
I wouldn't know. I either lost Nick years ago or I just stopped watching them up until recently where I just tuned in for Korra.
Korra's another one. The first season did really well, but the second kind of tanked.
Although to be fair, there's a lot of factors as to why- the long wait, the frequent time switches, lesser quality material, etc.
I actually don't even remember what channel number Nickelodeon is.
Who remembers channel numbers these days? Between favorite button and DVR, I don't bother.
Another factor about Korra is I'm sure people got sick of Korra not listening. At least based off of a forum I saw. Also, it seems like most like Wan more than her, making Beginnings a bit of a double edged sword that made people hate Korra a bit more.
Korra had a lot of second season problems, and I would say they all contributed to its problems. But I'd also say not ever giving the show reruns probably hurt, too.
Nick really didn't help it out when they could have.
They really didn't show reruns? I stopped paying attention to Nick again after the season ended.And yeah, I don't think anyone is arguing that all those reasons contributed to that. I'm just hearing about this but I'm not too too surprised. The first half of Book 2 was kind of painful to watch.
They didn't show too many repeats of the original Avatar, either. Which is stupid, since these are the kinds of shows that you need to catch up on before you watch.
And is it just me, or would this conversation be better suited for another thread?
The bother thread, please. I'm avoiding the Avatar thread on purpose due to me wanting to go into season 3 blind. :sweat:
I suck at this lol
Not bad overall. It was a good idea for a thread, anyway.
As it is, I do remember a couple of years ago when I said if Nick doesn't build anything beyond Spongebob, FOP, and Dan Schneider, that they're going to be in serious trouble and that seems to be happening now. No brands, low ratings, and no current pop culture presence.
And I don't know why they're not panicking, honestly. Unless they do something soon, they're going to go so far under that they're never going to be able to recover.
That's definitely true, and the three properties in question (if you can count Schneider's oeuvre as a property in general) aren't setting the world on fire anymore.
I don't really keep up with the ratings for the networks, but I would not be surprised if Adventure Time really is more popular with kids than the sponge is at this point.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 23, 2014, 09:17:32 PM
No brands, low ratings, and no current pop culture presence.
They do have those things. They have SpongeBob and...................................................
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 23, 2014, 09:17:32 PM
And I don't know why they're not panicking, honestly. Unless they do something soon, they're going to go so far under that they're never going to be able to recover.
Well, they still have life in them for at least a few more years, as long as they have SpongeBob and...................................................
Quote from: Avaitor on June 23, 2014, 09:20:31 PM
That's definitely true, and the three properties in question (if you can count Schneider's oeuvre as a property in general) aren't setting the world on fire anymore.
I don't really keep up with the ratings for the networks, but I would not be surprised if Adventure Time really is more popular with kids than the sponge is at this point.
It's funny, because Nick used to be the one known for being the most wild and out of the box of the family channels and now they're by far the most predictable.
When was the last time they had a truly original idea for a show? Avatar? A show they don't even advertise or push? That should say a lot.
It seems like the last time Nick made a show that got above average ratings was Fairly Odd Parents.
Quote from: talonmalon333 on June 23, 2014, 09:36:45 PM
It seems like the last time Nick made a show that got above average ratings was Fairly Odd Parents.
Jimmy Neutron and Avatar did well for them as well, if we're only talking about cartoons.
Besides those? Holy shit, I'm not sure. We've mentioned Penguins of Madagascar before, but they don't own that.
Quote from: talonmalon333 on June 23, 2014, 09:36:45 PM
It seems like the last time Nick made a show that got above average ratings was Fairly Odd Parents.
And now just about nobody seems to know that the show is still on. It also outran two other Butch Hartman shows that he made.
I do wonder why they never seemed to try to get Hillenburg or some of the 90s guard to create a new show for them. They seem to have no interest in trying new things or seeing if they can get fresh material from old faces.
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Quote from: talonmalon333 on June 23, 2014, 09:36:45 PM
It seems like the last time Nick made a show that got above average ratings was Fairly Odd Parents.
Jimmy Neutron and Avatar did well for them as well, if we're only talking about cartoons.
Besides those? Holy shit, I'm not sure. We've mentioned Penguins of Madagascar before, but they don't own that.
I feel like cartoons are a bit more important here because they seem easier for Nick to market, which is why I kept the topic to them.
Also, it really shows the state of current Nick knowing that all of those shows came out at least a decade ago.
And they did kind of do that with Sanjay & Craig, which you can see how that's turning out for them.
Quote from: Avaitor on June 23, 2014, 09:41:40 PM
And they did kind of do that with Sanjay & Craig, which you can see how that's turning out for them.
Seems like the most random choice for a show.
They should have stuck to live action, IMO.
I went on their Wiki page, and it's kind of depressing. Pete & Pete and what I've seen of Kablam! are still good, and I always thought that the Inside Out Boy shorts were cute, but their other work?
Besides S&C, they used to write for the Naked Brothers Band, and wrote the first Alvin and the Chipmunks movie. As well as made a show for The N that I never even heard of.
How long has SpongeBob been Nick's most popular show? Since 2000?
Thinking of that, it almost seems like it'll never end.
Quote from: Avaitor on June 23, 2014, 09:49:17 PM
I went on their Wiki page, and it's kind of depressing. Pete & Pete and what I've seen of Kablam! are still good, and I always thought that the Inside Out Boy shorts were cute, but their other work?
Besides S&C, they used to write for the Naked Brothers Band, and wrote the first Alvin and the Chipmunks movie. As well as made a show for The N that I never even heard of.
Judging from that it seems like Alvin is a more likely reason for why the show got picked up than Kablam! or Pete & Pete.
Quote from: talonmalon333 on June 23, 2014, 09:49:43 PM
How long has SpongeBob been Nick's most popular show? Since 2000?
Thinking of that, it almost seems like it'll never end.
1999, I think.
That's right, the 90s still has their hooks in the network. :D
No matter what it is now, SpongeBob does stick out in modern Nickelodeon, because it's still rooted in 90s Nick. There's a two decade gap in terms of style between SpongeBob and everything else on the network.
Quote from: talonmalon333 on June 23, 2014, 09:49:43 PM
How long has SpongeBob been Nick's most popular show? Since 2000?
Thinking of that, it almost seems like it'll never end.
I think SpongeBob officially usurped the title from Rugrats after the Wild Thornberrys crossover movie tanked. Which I believe is 2003.
I wonder what will happen if the next SpongeBob movie tanks.
Quote from: talonmalon333 on June 23, 2014, 09:54:24 PM
No matter what it is now, SpongeBob does stick out in modern Nickelodeon, because it's still rooted in 90s Nick. There's a two decade gap in terms of style between SpongeBob and everything else on the network.
Which is ironic because its an image they try desperately to separate themselves from, yet they still unconsciously embrace it by keeping all their eggs in the Spongebob basket- a show that epitomizes '90s Nick humor.
What were peak SpongeBob's ratings like, compared to peak Rugrats ratings?
Quote from: talonmalon333 on June 23, 2014, 10:04:05 PM
What were peak SpongeBob's ratings like, compared to peak Rugrats ratings?
Both shows took off around the same point, post-peak, but I would probably say that Spongebob has had the stronger cultural impact of the two.
That said, I don't know how this new Spongebob movie is going to do. If they would have done it earlier I think it might have had more of a chance. If it bombs, it might end up doing to the show what Rugrats Go Wild did to the shows it was based on.
I seem to remember the first SpongeBob movie making less money than people expected it to. In fact, I think the Rugrats movie made more, even though the Rugrats movie was quickly accepted as garbage while people agreed that the SpongeBob movie was enjoyable.
I think the Spongebob movie has had better legs, especially on home releases and television. The Rugrats movies didn't really seem to do much outside of the theater, even if I thought they were fairly okay.
Ratingswise? I dunno.
But I do know that Rugrats was pretty much the thing that brought the channel to icon status in a way that YCDTOTV, Double Dare, Ren & Stimpy, etc weren't able to, and that the All Growed Up special is still the highest rated broadcast in the network's history. Meanwhile, SpongeBob did better with an older audience (adults did watch Rugrats, especially around the time that they put repeats on at primetime, but I think most of the ratings from that came from parents who'd watch with their kids) and has obviously been around for longer, so it's doing some things that Rugrats never did.
I think the first 2 Rugrats movies actually did do better than the SpongeBob one, and there was a big deal about how the first one was the first non-Disney animated movie to make $100 mill. But I wouldn't be surprised if the SpongeBob movie has sold better.
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Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 23, 2014, 10:24:44 PM
I think the Spongebob movie has had better legs, especially on home releases and television. The Rugrats movies didn't really seem to do much outside of the theater, even if I thought they were fairly okay.
I do actually remember, after the SpongeBob movie left theaters, randomly seeing that it was airing on Nickelodeon at unexpected times. On the other hand, I really don't remember the Rugrats movie airing much on television.
Yeah, they didn't air it much. But I also don't remember too many movies airing on Nick back in the day, actually.
And I have to admit, I never saw Go Wild until they showed all of the movies in a row after that Nicktoons Thanksgiving weekend event (remember those?) a couple of years ago, when they showed episodes of every Nicktoon up to that point. I was like, 16 at that point, but I could tell that I probably wouldn't have liked it if I saw the movie when it originally came out.
Quote from: talonmalon333 on June 23, 2014, 09:54:24 PM
No matter what it is now, SpongeBob does stick out in modern Nickelodeon, because it's still rooted in 90s Nick. There's a two decade gap in terms of style between SpongeBob and everything else on the network.
Technically 3 decades (90s, 00,..10s)
Quote from: talonmalon333 on June 23, 2014, 09:59:25 PM
I wonder what will happen if the next SpongeBob movie tanks.
*soaring bomb noise*
If it bombed, you'd think that the show would be over.
But at the same time, what does Nick have to replace it?
Nothing. I'm saying Nick would be dead if the movie bombs. Ok, I don't really think that but it probably would be bad for them if it did.
Quote from: Avaitor on June 23, 2014, 10:44:58 PM
If it bombed, you'd think that the show would be over.
But at the same time, what does Nick have to replace it?
Like gunswordfist said, if it bombs, that could simply be it for Nick in the long run. If the kids are over Spongebob, then Nick is entirely clueless and is completely unprepared for what this could mean for them.
When Rugrats fell off, they built up Spongebob which easily slid in to catch the network from any damage. If Spongebob falls, what will be there to catch them this time?
Quote from: Avaitor on June 23, 2014, 10:40:15 PM
Yeah, they didn't air it much. But I also don't remember too many movies airing on Nick back in the day, actually.
And I have to admit, I never saw Go Wild until they showed all of the movies in a row after that Nicktoons Thanksgiving weekend event (remember those?) a couple of years ago, when they showed episodes of every Nicktoon up to that point. I was like, 16 at that point, but I could tell that I probably wouldn't have liked it if I saw the movie when it originally came out.
I saw the first two movies in theaters (when the first mvie came out, I was a major fan, when the second movie came out, I still liked the series but I wasn't watching it much anymore). I didn't see Rugrats Go Wild and I still haven't. :P
Also, apparently Rugrats was at the absolute peak of its popularity when the first movie came out, while SpongeBob was in a pretty big slump when its movie came out, which might explain why the Rugrats movie did better in theaters.
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Quote from: Avaitor on June 23, 2014, 10:44:58 PM
If it bombed, you'd think that the show would be over.
But at the same time, what does Nick have to replace it?
Like gunswordfist said, if it bombs, that could simply be it for Nick in the long run. If the kids are over Spongebob, then Nick is entirely clueless and is completely unprepared for what this could mean for them.
When Rugrats fell off, they built up Spongebob which easily slid in to catch the network from any damage. If Spongebob falls, what will be there to catch them this time?
I should probably clarify that I don't mean if Spongebob dies then Nickelodeon is a dead channel. I mean if the movie bombs, then it means Nickelodeon is completely unaware of their audience and is symptomatic of a bigger problem of Nick being unable to do anything outside of relying on a show that started almost fifteen years ago.
I mean, just look at what they're currently doing:
1. They keep Fairly Odd Parents around despite it being completely off the radar yet cancel the creator's other projects which could potentially outmatch it.
2. They have pretty much completely abandoned the kidcom market to Disney for gimmicky shows that don't particularly seem to be catching on.
3. They don't really do anything with their stars. Just check out the whole Sam & Cat debacle currently going on.
4. They still have one program taking up over half of their air-time, giving no presence to anything else.
5. They don't cultivate talent. If your name isn't Dan Schneider, your live action output seemingly doesn't matter. If you're not Ariana Grande, Nick doesn't seem interested in putting you in a show or helping your career out.
6. Breadwinners. Like. What is that even supposed to
be?
7. If I'm not mistaken, outside of Sam & Cat every live action show they made that year was canceled after a single season. That's not a confidence builder for your workers or your audience.
8. Why are Korra and TMNT like, almost never on? Whatever ratings they had are going to disappear because they don't do anything with them.
Everything Nickelodeon is currently doing seems like they're flailing in the deep end. How do they not know they got into this mess on their own?
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 23, 2014, 10:52:22 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on June 23, 2014, 10:44:58 PM
If it bombed, you'd think that the show would be over.
But at the same time, what does Nick have to replace it?
Like gunswordfist said, if it bombs, that could simply be it for Nick in the long run. If the kids are over Spongebob, then Nick is entirely clueless and is completely unprepared for what this could mean for them.
When Rugrats fell off, they built up Spongebob which easily slid in to catch the network from any damage. If Spongebob falls, what will be there to catch them this time?
I don't think that would mean kids are over Spongebob. I meant it would be a huge financial blow if bob tanked.
Quote from: gunswordfist on June 23, 2014, 11:54:35 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 23, 2014, 10:52:22 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on June 23, 2014, 10:44:58 PM
If it bombed, you'd think that the show would be over.
But at the same time, what does Nick have to replace it?
Like gunswordfist said, if it bombs, that could simply be it for Nick in the long run. If the kids are over Spongebob, then Nick is entirely clueless and is completely unprepared for what this could mean for them.
When Rugrats fell off, they built up Spongebob which easily slid in to catch the network from any damage. If Spongebob falls, what will be there to catch them this time?
I don't think that would mean kids are over Spongebob. I meant it would be a huge financial blow if bob tanked.
That's what I meant. It would show that Nick should be putting their eggs in more than just the Spongebob basket, which they can't seem to do.
Apparently they cut down on SpongeBob airings a good bit, so it might not be half of their time anymore.
Ah, ok. I never really loved Nick since that never really had more than a handful of ongoing shows that I liked but they can't even get that right these days. It's sad.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 23, 2014, 11:07:26 PM
7. If I'm not mistaken, outside of Sam & Cat every live action show they made that year was canceled after a single season. That's not a confidence builder for your workers or your audience.
From what I can gather, the only other 2013 live-action show that made it past 1 season was The Thundermans & the Haunted Hathaways. Both shows finished their first season and Nick did order a second one for them. A very big contrast to Sam & Cat, which got what would be normally a 2nd season added to the first, and it does feel like Nick pushed that into the spotlight cause, reasons. But looking at a list, there were a lot of shows that got cut after a season in 2012. Remember Marvin Marvin, How to Rock, or Fred the Show!?
I think the last non-Schneider live-action show that did rather well for Nick was Big Time Rush, which to be fair, actually got a fourth season, unlike Victorious.
Quote from: Avaitor on June 24, 2014, 02:50:15 PM
I think the last non-Schneider live-action show that did rather well for Nick was Big Time Rush, which to be fair, actually got a fourth season, unlike Victorious.
Was BTR ever actually pushed? It doesn't feel like it was, sort of like the audience found the show despite Nick's best efforts.
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Quote from: Avaitor on June 24, 2014, 02:50:15 PM
I think the last non-Schneider live-action show that did rather well for Nick was Big Time Rush, which to be fair, actually got a fourth season, unlike Victorious.
Was BTR ever actually pushed? It doesn't feel like it was, sort of like the audience found the show despite Nick's best efforts.
I think Nick was more interested in Victorious at the time, but kids did seem to be into it.
Although I think Nick was REALLY pissed that they couldn't get an agreement with One Direction to make a show, since they tried so hard to push them. The iCarly episode, the specials, the KCA performances, then the show idea fell through. Which probably isn't a bad thing in hindsight, since I believe that like most of Disney's stuff, boys just didn't tune in. They barely did for BTR.
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Quote from: Avaitor on June 24, 2014, 02:50:15 PM
I think the last non-Schneider live-action show that did rather well for Nick was Big Time Rush, which to be fair, actually got a fourth season, unlike Victorious.
Was BTR ever actually pushed? It doesn't feel like it was, sort of like the audience found the show despite Nick's best efforts.
I think Nick was more interested in Victorious at the time, but kids did seem to be into it.
Although I think Nick was REALLY pissed that they couldn't get an agreement with One Direction to make a show, since they tried so hard to push them. The iCarly episode, the specials, the KCA performances, then the show idea fell through. Which probably isn't a bad thing in hindsight, since I believe that like most of Disney's stuff, boys just didn't tune in. They barely did for BTR.
That's kind of strange considering I'm pretty sure Ned was more popular with guys, but I guess it shows an ability to appeal to more than one audience.
Is the staff currently doing a show for Nick? It's pretty hard to tell.
You mean Scott Fellows? From what I can tell, he's currently without a show.
Quote from: Avaitor on June 24, 2014, 08:10:17 PM
You mean Scott Fellows? From what I can tell, he's currently without a show.
That's a shame. Nick needs a show like one of his right now.
It's wrong to compare Rugrats to Spongebob. Rugrats even at their height (which was from 1999-2000) were nowhere near the megablockbuster Spongebob is. Nowhere even close. Rugrats were only one about three times a day during that period, and Nick still aired lots of other shows.
But I'm noticing a trend where Nick will greenlight some random cartoon only to cancel it quickly after.
Okay, so Nick was airing new FOP episodes lately, and they barely seemed to do anything in the ratings. Repeats of SpongeBob and iCarly (yeah, I guess it's back on now) were beating them, strangely enough.
I remember around the time iCarly and Victorious were wrapping up, they put Drake & Josh repeats back on, and those were doing pretty well for a while. They had to have done at least a full run of the show. Maybe Nick should just dig into their library during the weekdays. Perhaps air A:TLA alongside Korra repeats?
They should be airing more of their shows during the week. Instead of Spongebob onslaught, they could always air Rugrats or Rocko. At least give the illusion that they have other shows.
About Avatar, you're right. Air it weekday afternoons and pair it with TMNT. Then you might have a solid action block to advertise your new shows.
Oh, since this is the correct thread, I'd just thought I'd mention it here.
If there is any proof Nickelodeon is inept when it comes to foresight, then this entire Sam & Cat debacle is proof of it.
You have a hit show, you're only real hit show, that audiences seem to respond to. What do you do? You deal out horribly balanced wages, increase the work schedule, increase episode counts to prevent workers from negotiating contracts, and dump on some of your most important, and loyal, staff and actors. You effectively get your most popular show canceled after one season because you have no sense.
Imagine if your favorite show was doing great in the ratings, fans liked it, and then it was canceled after one season. It's almost too ridiculous to imagine.
Yet, here we are.
I can't help but wonder if Ariana Grande would have signed for a second season, since her music career started to explode around the time the show started. She had no choice but to accept the doubling of the first season, since she was already on contract for it.
It's definitely a weird ordeal, and it sucks for most of the people involved. But hey, Ariana and Jeanette will rebound soon, and Schneider is bound to have another show in development, if not production, by the end of the year. The channel is going to be the one who suffers, since they're running out of hit shows. Hell, they're almost out as it is.
I'm not bothered by the show itself ending, I wasn't a fan, I just find the situation so ridiculous. Nick needs a shake-up, because it really isn't looking too good for them.
But do you know what I just realized? Since 1994, Schneider has always had at least one show in production for Nick.
All That
Kenan & Kel
The Amanda Show
Drake & Josh
Zoey 101
iCarly
Victorious
Sam & Cat
The chronology fits. I think this will be the first time in 20 years that he won't have something new airing on Nick as of now. That is a crazy thought.
And yeah, I don't really have patience for his shows anymore. It only took the pilot of Sam & Cat for me to realize that it wasn't worth my time, since I need more than stupidity contests and the word hobo to make me laugh. Even All That, one of my childhood favorites, doesn't do as much for me now. But kids do obviously like his stuff, so doubt that he'll be out of a job for long.
Sam and Cat was okay, it was funny in some episodes but there were others that were boring. Regardless, I agree what Nick did with it is beyond stupid. And not to mention completely unfair to Jeanette McCurdy. I guess they paid Ariana Grande more because of her music career taking off. What happened with this show is only one of many reasons why whoever is running Nick should be fired. Sooner or later Viacom or Nick will have to realize how much they're shooting themselves in the foot.
One thing that still gets me is how all of the Nick shows were dropped from Netflix, since they felt that was the reason their ratings wee dropping. Removing SpongeBob and iCarly made sense, but it was kind of funny that the 90's shows, Drake & Josh, and Ned were also casualties.
Why, I'll never know.
We still have iCarly and Avatar here. Oh, and season 4 and up of Spongebob.......................... for some reason.
Everything else is gone, though.
I have no idea what they think they're doing, but they aren't doing it very well.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on July 15, 2014, 05:28:58 PM
About Avatar, you're right. Air it weekday afternoons and pair it with TMNT. Then you might have a solid action block to advertise your new shows.
You'd think that, since Nick has both Power Rangers and TMNT, that they would pair them up more. But apparently that would make too much sense.
Here's another way in which Nickelodeon is screwed up, from none other than All That alumni himself Gabriel Iglesias:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owLoCNJodn8
Well, All That did get whiter as the seasons progressed.
I don't even remember Gabriel Iglasias on All That, must've been one of the last few seasons or something, at which point I wasn't watching anymore.
who?
Three of the top execs for Nick's animation department have been let go. (http://www.animationmagazine.net/people/three-top-toon-execs-depart-nick/)
According to Jerry Beck, some of the top execs for Nick, Jr. have been dropped as well.
Their positions might say a bit.
senior VP, current series
senior VP, animation development
VP, animation development
If their job titles mean anything, they've needed new people in those positions for a long time. Not to say I get happy when people get fired cuz I don't, but they need someone who will really try again.
Three people lost their jobs, but I don't think they'll have difficulty finding work.
I really hope their replacements will do something about Nick's lineup. Last I heard, the ratings were depleting for them across the board, even the Sponge himself hasn't drawn as much for them like before. Seriously, it's really only been SpongeBob and Fairly Oddparents for at least fifteen years! They both may have gotten ratings to justify being put front and center for a while, but it's utterly ridiculous how long they were coasting on them. Now with Oddparents finally gone, they're in desperate need of a changeup. As far as I can tell, I don't think any of their tweencoms were doing that well either. I could be wrong at that front, though.
I found this post on sitcomsonline about the current state of Nickelodeon:
Quote•100 Things to Do Before High School is a good show that needs more promotion and love from the network.
•Scott Fellows hopefully doesn't end up like Dan Schneider, in that after a few shows, he exposes his flaws as a writer and creator. This is because Schneider is unable to create new, interesting characters without using his previous shows as a crutch. And they all end up as annoying, bland, uninteresting archetypes of the same characters we've seen before. This is particularly notable in Sam & Cat (a cheap cash grab that was never built to last), Henry Danger (which is inoffensive and stale), and Game Shakers (which is just plain garbage).
•In 1995, a good or great Nicktoon was to be expected. Now shows like that have become the exception, not the expectation.
•A year or two from now, The Splat will most likely become as stagnant as the 90s Are All That became.
•With Degrassi moving over to Netflix, TeenNick really has nothing else to draw fans in.
•Nickelodeon's scheduling practices (especially regarding The Thundermans) are atrocious. Basically, this involves a lot of shuffling and lack of promotion.
•The imports that Nick has aired, while cheap (so cheap that they can post profits no matter how bad the ratings are) and presumably easy to make, none-the-less suck.
•Not only did the utter collapse of Sam & Cat that put the network in a bind, but their conclusion that (based on what they felt was happening across the board) that the tween-teen demo was pretty much dead. In other words, the shows that followed (both live-action and animated ) feel more placed into middle-school territory and the pre-tween/tween demo. In effect, days of Nick catering to an all-age demo with adult appeal appear to be done for the time being.
Here's the original post. (http://nickanddisneyreviewed.blogspot.ca/2015/10/state-of-nickelodeon-address.html)
All of which are fairly understandable and straightforward.
Right now I'm only paying attention to the newer TMNT and Harvey Beaks, but that's still a step up from a few years ago when I wasn't bothering with anything.
Apparently the new Alvin show is doing pretty okay, a little better than most of Nick's recent originals. I expect it to go the way of their Dreamworks shows and burn out in a year or two, but who knows.
Also, the Splat has been getting very weak ratings. I wasn't expecting huge numbers, but it looks pretty alarming for how much Nick has been promoting it.
I kinda like that new Alvin show in all honesty. Nothing about it fills me with regret for watching it for 30 minutes, unlike the majority of the network that is.
But yeah, I do agree with the article that there is nothing on the network that gives off an all ages vibe from their programming, unless you like to count your jokes about how 1 of the creators of Bella and the Bulldogs created a softcore porn film about cuckolding. That and how it does feel like CN does help Teen Titans Go with all the promos with it, while with Nick.... I don't get that impression from any of their shows that isn't even a year old yet.
Quote from: Daxdiv on October 13, 2015, 05:02:38 PM
I kinda like that new Alvin show in all honesty. Nothing about it fills me with regret for watching it for 30 minutes, unlike the majority of the network that is.
It's fairly close to the old 80s show (even uses the old theme) with much the same staff, so that might account for it. The 80s show was a pretty good kid cartoon. The Garfield Show could have taken some lessons from this one. It's not going to set the world on fire, but compared to most of their other programming, it does its job well.
Of course I still like TMNT and Harvey Beaks much more, but it sure beats more Spongebob reruns.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on October 13, 2015, 05:07:13 PM
Quote from: Daxdiv on October 13, 2015, 05:02:38 PM
I kinda like that new Alvin show in all honesty. Nothing about it fills me with regret for watching it for 30 minutes, unlike the majority of the network that is.
It's fairly close to the old 80s show (even uses the old theme) with much the same staff, so that might account for it. The 80s show was a pretty good kid cartoon. The Garfield Show could have taken some lessons from this one. It's not going to set the world on fire, but compared to most of their other programming, it does its job well.
Yeah, my impression of the new Alvin show is that's it's like the 80's show but updated for modern times in a good way. Mostly with technology and the topics they handle in the episode, this is the kind of stuff I expect a revival series to tackle.
Wait, when is Degrassi coming to Netflix?! I've been wanting to get into that show for years!!
The Loud House doesn't have a thread? Ah well.
Anyway, apparently it's getting a movie now (http://deadline.com/2017/03/spongebob-loud-house-sherlock-gnomes-1202054433/). Didn't thus just premiere a year ago?
The Nicktoons channel might disappear soon. (https://twitter.com/nickandmore/status/946112836522082305)
Well, it's probably for the best. Nicktoons has really lost it's focus by being a dumping ground for cartoons that don't reach Spongebob and Loud House levels of popularity right out of the gate. That & the live action. I wonder if they're gonna rebrand as something else.
Yeah, they've never seemed to know what to do with this channel, have they? It went from a dumping ground for their older cartoons, to a Toonami Lite, to basically Nickelodeon 2.0. And there might have been more shifts in theming than that.
Then again, TeenNick has its own identity issues as well. Losing DeGrassi definitely didn't help things. The Nick Jr channel seems to have been their most consistent spin-off in vision.
In all fairness, Nick Jr is a concept you can't screw up on paper. Nick has a lot of original shows aimed at pre-schoolers over it's years of inception & giving it a 24 hour outlet is pretty logical. Even with having rival channels like Disney Junior the Channel, Sprout, & streaming, it's still somewhat a viable option. TeenNick on the other hand... yeah, it and Nicktoons existing together doesn't make much sense since TeenNick to me has more or less been the dumping ground for their live action kidcoms, especially during the day hours.
I caught up with Nick Knacks, and got a little hungry for more Nick-based content, so I watched some of Defunctland's videos. I'm not as big of a fan- the narration feels colder and comes off a little flatter than Greg's, and I just feel like you don't get as much bang for your buck as you do with his videos. Your general Nick Knacks contains a strong balance between overview, well-documented research, and analysis, while I feel like the latter two elements get less focus in most of these videos.
But I was interested in their Nick Hotel video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CN9HpYrjeM). I didn't stay at the place, but I did a brief tour of it around 2010, and even then it was looking pretty dated. Rugrats, Blue's Clues, and even Wild Thornberrys still had a very strong presence here, which I found cool, but somewhat surprising considering how long gone those shows were at this point. And it's not like now when they're focusing heavily on nostalgia- Nick and Holiday Inn just didn't update the place that much, and frankly, it's not like there was much to update with. Granted, the Turtles, Power Rangers, and a little bit of Paw Patrol did eventually make their way there, but the network is still in identity crisis mode, not letting newer shows get off the ground unless they're instant megahits. The Loud House has made a niche for itself, but that feels more like a fluke than anything. And without that many current hits, how valuable can the Nickelodeon brand be to allow something like this to cost Disney-level prices? Clearly SpongeBob still matters enough to get butts in seats, but one show alone does not make a hit channel. Even two or three, with Loud House and TMNT, doesn't feel like enough.
So yeah, I'm curious to see how Cartoon Network's hotel will do.
So there's a chance the 80s TMNT show will be airing on Nick. (https://variety.com/2023/film/news/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-nickelodeon-comic-con-1235675090/)
The best thing they'll have aired in years.
Watch it get better ratings than new Loud House.
Recently got curious again about unsold Nick pilots and which ones people are the most "Why didn't this get made?!" toward. Like Constant Payne, the Nick version of Adventure Time, Big Beast Quintet, etc. Half because of the ennui of thinking what could have been, the other half because I saw a clip of a new Nicktoon called Rock Paper Scissors (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkUbE5Mz2m4&pp=ygUTcm9jayBwYXBlciBzY2lzc29ycw%3D%3D), and it's so low in ambition that it felt like the creators just said one sentence during the pitch meeting and got the job right there.
The Nick pitching process is also something I wish we knew more of, because I remember Greg Weisman saying he pitched a ton of things to Nick that never got made, and Hartman saying he threw a bunch of ideas at them and only a few made the cut. And that's Hartman, their long time partner, struggling to get greenlit.