If you guys remember my review for this recent Netflix series, you'll remember that I wasn't super partial to it, but did feel that there was growth that occurred in the show as it went along that lent me to feel that it could easily become a better series as the next season occurs.
But hey, I actually watched the first half of the series again with some friends tonight, and maybe it was just how drunk we were getting, but I do think it holds up quite a lot better in a second viewing. There are some great uses of foreshadowing present that I didn't even think about before, as numerous jokes worked better a second time around. I also found myself liking the BoJack character more than before, as much as I hate to admit it. I'm too much like him, myself.
Has anyone else here seen it? It really is a solid little show, and you shouldn't let a rough first impression tear you away.
They uploaded a Chirstmas episode to Netflix. It's basically BoJack and Todd watching a Christmas themed episode of "Horsing Around" You basically got to see the show in it's whole 90's glory, with scenes of Todd & BoJack commenting on some of the more cheesy stuff.
Still waiting for season 2. This show kind of grew on me.
YEAH FIRE THAT JEW
This was great.
Season 2 is streaming now. I'll get to it soon, but I wanted to bring it up here first.
Nice!
I loved BoJack, can't wait to see what happens in this season.
I forgot to post here, but I watched the second season over the span of the past few days. It really was a step above the first, even if it still isn't necessarily one of my favorite shows.
Frankly, what makes the show work is the underlying darkness behind it all. Its whole world is built around how much of an asshole BoJack is, which nobody lets him forget. Even the nicer people, like Mr. Peanutbutter and Todd, are able to give BoJack just what he needs when the timing is right. Just about the only thing that BoJack doesn't personally sabotage in his life is his relationship with his parents, who are both naturally shitty.
It's still not one of my favorites, since the show doesn't make me laugh as much as Archer or Rick and Morty do, but I don't think it's supposed to. Although it can still be pretty funny. But BoJack is a look in the life of someone who by all rights can be a good person, but keeps on pissing on every opportunity he gets to do so. And on that note, it works very well.
I finally watched the first episode recently. Seems interesting. Will watch the rest later.
The second season is so much better than the first. This was pretty much what I was expecting all along.
"Ugh, why does anybody run?"
I just marathoned through the show last weekend. Though I agree that the second season is stronger overall, I actually really enjoyed both seasons. It became quickly apparent to me that BoJack works much better as a drama then as a comedy, and I primarily enjoy it as a character study of someone who wants to be a good person, but whose self-destructive tendencies and self-pitying behavior prevent him from doing so. The other characters are also enjoyably well-rounded and fun in their various personalities, strengths, and insecurities, and they have strong chemistry with each other. I think just about the only issue I've had with the show is the finale of the second season, which goes out of it's way to address the BoJack/Todd relationship, despite it not having been a central fixture of the season or particularly pertinent to BoJack's character arc within the season. It doesn't help that the Mr. Peanutbutter/Todd relationship has consistently proven more interesting, funny, and versatile. Still, I really enjoyed the series as a whole (I wouldn't have breezed through it in three days if I hadn't), and I'm hoping that the third season (I'm assuming it's getting one) will continue the series' upward trend.
Oh yeah, it was renewed for a third season shortly after the second hit.
This is one of those series that I never heard too many people talk about at first, then really started to take off during its second season. So I'm not surprised about the quick renewal.
Bojack is just friggin' great. The best part about it is that never relies too much on shock value or really gross stuff like Drawn Together did. The only time they got a little much was that drug trip Bojack had but that's been the only exception. It just truly feels like a show for adults not overgrown manchildren and womenchildren.
Season 3 comes out July 22.
Score!
I was getting kind of worried, since we haven't heard anything about it in a while.
So I got around to watching season 3 over the past few nights, and damn. This is the best season yet. And wow, did it go dark this season.
I had more to write, but I'm really not finding myself saying much anymore. Just that it was too much, man.
New episodes start September 8. (https://twitter.com/BoJackHorseman/status/884411916956741633)
Fuck to the yeah.
I both eagerly await and dread this at the same time. The show is great, but god does it know how to break my heart. And I know when I start the season I won't stop even if it gets hard to watch. :sweat:
Anyone else ready to binge this show and get incredibly depressed?
I really wish I was a drinking man, because then maybe I could numb myself when it gets too emotionally bleak. But then I'd be just like BoJack, so maybe that's a good thing. :D
That whole story about Bojack's Mom. :cry:
This was a pretty terrific season, all in all. I wasn't expecting to sympathize with BoJack's parents at all, but I really do feel for his mom, and even his dad a little based on what we learn about them. But not enough to forgive the way they fucked over BoJack, or what his mom did to Hollyhock. If anything, they just add ingredients to the depressing entree that is BoJack Horseman.
Sepinwall wrote about how BoJack was at least trying to be better this season, and he was right. He still makes some mistakes, like the episode where he decides to get rid of Hollyhock's crush the "BoJack way", but there are at least attempts to try to be less of a miserable fuck. I don't think he's at the point yet where he's ready to be better, but I respect the effort.
And I liked the rest of the character's arcs, as well. Mr. Peanut Butter's run for governor was rightly silly, and thankfully didn't last as a Trump parable for too long. I really liked the parts that related to Diane, especially in the finale, as that's the direction I've wanted them to go in for a while. Princess Carolyn also had some good development, as I similarly liked her material this year. And I was also a big fan of Todd's coming out s ace, which was very tastefully done. He's probably my least favorite character otherwise- his schemes get a bit too ridiculous for the show's sake, imo- but his core material worked very well.
Quote from: Avaitor on September 11, 2017, 09:03:59 AM
This was a pretty terrific season, all in all. I wasn't expecting to sympathize with BoJack's parents at all, but I really do feel for his mom, and even his dad a little based on what we learn about them. But not enough to forgive the way they fucked over BoJack, or what his mom did to Hollyhock. If anything, they just add ingredients to the depressing entree that is BoJack Horseman.
Sepinwall wrote about how BoJack was at least trying to be better this season, and he was right. He still makes some mistakes, like the episode where he decides to get rid of Hollyhock's crush the "BoJack way", but there are at least attempts to try to be less of a miserable fuck. I don't think he's at the point yet where he's ready to be better, but I respect the effort.
And I liked the rest of the character's arcs, as well. Mr. Peanut Butter's run for governor was rightly silly, and thankfully didn't last as a Trump parable for too long. I really liked the parts that related to Diane, especially in the finale, as that's the direction I've wanted them to go in for a while. Princess Carolyn also had some good development, as I similarly liked her material this year. And I was also a big fan of Todd's coming out s ace, which was very tastefully done. He's probably my least favorite character otherwise- his schemes get a bit too ridiculous for the show's sake, imo- but his core material worked very well.
It stopped being a Trump parable the moment we heard Woodchuck speak, really. Though I wonder if he's supposed to be an Obama analogue. At any rate, I'm to episode 10. I think "Ruthie" is going to be my favorite episode this season. I won't spoil anything yet so people can catch up this week, but it was scripted really well. Anything I say otherwise would probably ruin things so I won't go further than that yet.
Fair on Woodchuck- Mr. Peanutbutter's arc was initially going in that direction, as did Jessica Biel's, but obviously if they really wanted to go full-on Trump, Peanutbutter would have stuck it out and won.
I hope you enjoy the last two episodes! The penultimate one's a doozey.
Quote from: Avaitor on September 11, 2017, 10:59:54 PM
Fair on Woodchuck- Mr. Peanutbutter's arc was initially going in that direction, as did Jessica Biel's, but obviously if they really wanted to go full-on Trump, Peanutbutter would have stuck it out and won.
I hope you enjoy the last two episodes! The penultimate one's a doozey.
I think that's where they almost went with Beal. But anyway....
Now that's it been a bit, I'm sure others should have gotten caught up. I really enjoyed the episode with BoJack's mother. As sad it was, it was amazing to see a character that was so hatable from the few times we saw that she able to be made sympathetic thanks to that trip through her inner psyche. While it was a bit cruel of how she seperated Hollyhock from her mom, it still felt like she cared in her own way. That exchange with BoJack's dad even made him a little more understandable too. What really brought everything home though was that scene between BoJack and Hollyhock's dads about getting the truth to her, not even wanting credit for it at all. He's really come a long way this season. Granted, there have been some off moments even this season like he ended things with Eddy the Fly, but BoJack seems to finally be evolving into a truly likable guy.
The Beatrice episode aside, I actually think this was the least depressing season yet still possibly the best. Nearly everybody got to have a happy ending for once. The only exception being Diane and Mr. Peanutbutter's breakdown at the end, likely forshadowing a divorce. I'm really interested to see what happens with them next. I'm not a shipper, but when you think back to how they ended up together in the first place I honestly think the writer's have been playing the long game in getting BoJack with Diane. All of their scenes together this season had a pretty strong subtext of a married couple to me. I don't think it was unintentional.
Of course, I don't predict them being together in Season Five. I think she'll do a couple episodes of couples therapy with Peanutbutter, than file her divorce, then go on some trip of her own somewhere she goes into her own self-assessment. Then possibly sharing a romantic moment with BoJack at the end, if not the beginning of the sixth season. That's just how I see it anyway. :D
Season 4 was surprisingly more optimistic than I was expecting and that was a great change of pace. Don't get me wrong, everything involving BoJack's mom was soul-crushingly bleak and sad, but even that plotline ends on a sorta sweet note where BoJack calms her down by helping her reminisce about happier days. I'm really glad BoJack started making efforts to become a better person and actually succeeded this time. Every previous season ended with him in an uncertain and dark place after screwing up something important in his life, but this season ends with the promise of a new familial relationship for BoJack, gaining a sister in Hollyhock. That's a big step forward for him and I hope the show doesn't double back on it in season 5, especially since Mr. Peanutbutter and Diane's storyline is heading down the opposite path into some bleak times for their relationship and personal lives.
I'm guessing season 5 will follow BoJack struggle to keep up this turnaround in luck for him and start gradually improving, while Mr. Peanutbutter and Diane will gradually spiral further into marital depression, reach their breaking point, and divorce. Besides them, I really liked how Todd was the most happy and put-together character in the show this season and while his clown dentist subplot didn't do much for me I just really appreciated how much he's grown and how they handled him coming out as asexual. Princess Carolyn went through a lot of ups and downs, but I'm glad her story ends on a more optimistic note with BoJack being the one to help her out and give her reassurance for a change. I do hope she gets back with Ralph next season, because he definitely cared about her and they make a good couple.
Overall, excellent season. It's a toss-up between this and season 3 as to whether it's the shows best to date, but I'll need to reflect on it for a while.
The show is being shopped around for syndication. (http://variety.com/2018/tv/news/bojack-horseman-netflix-syndication-1202658081)
Nice, if any Netflix series has deserved reruns on TV, it's BoJack!
Anything that could help the show reach even more people is a-ok with me. Still surprised BoJack sometimes wasn't on Comedy Central to begin with, but who knows if it would get past the first season.
It'd probably do fine on Comedy Central or [as]. Despite having Netflix's freedom, the show doesn't do too much that would need to be censored on cable. There's the one fuck a season, and I believe the C word was also used once. That's about it.
Right, I imagine language wise CC wouldn't care. I just wonder if there'd be four seasons since only Drawn Together has managed to get that many while everything else fizzled. Though it is worth noting that most of them including Drawn Together sucked.
Comedy Central got the syndication rights. (https://deadline.com/2018/07/comedy-central-acquires-bojack-horseman-netflix-1202433798)
Not surprised. Comedy Central seems like the natural fit for it.
They've been picking up cartoons left and right. I wonder if this means anything.
I was kinda thinking to myself that if any network was gonna get the syndication to Bojack, it would have been Comedy Central.Wow, it's also airing after South Park, interesting.
BoJack airing on Comedy Central just feels right. Still amazes me that it didn't end up on it in the first place.
Wow, it took me a while to finish season 5. I just don't have it in me to binge a series like I used to anymore. I finished the last season in one or two sittings right before the hurricane hit, but I could only do like 3 episodes a night for this one.
That doesn't mean that I thought this was a bad season at all, but I do think that it was a slight step down from the previous two seasons. Although Pickles was the only thing I really didn't like from this year. There was an actual hint towards end game this season, even though I think we might still have a couple of years left before we get there.
I'm really confused why Comedy Central is only airing one episode of Bojack a week when it has plenty of episodes to warrant daily airings. I guess they're trying to promote their run of it by having it air after new South Park premieres, but even then, it seems like a waste to only give it two or three showtimes on Wednesday nights.
The final season is coming. (https://twitter.com/BoJackHorseman/status/1177598772051881984)
It's sad, but if this is where the show is meant to go, it's for the best.
I'm honestly more upset that this season is going to be cut in half, but at least the gap won't be too big.
While I'd be fine with two or three more seasons, I'm not too bother with BoJack ending on six. At least it's one more than Duckman got. Between finding his half-sister and now going to rehab and finally getting close to becoming a better person there's not much room left for BoJack to grow as a character so it makes sense that it's ending soon.
They didn't want to end it. Netflix cancelled it. As usual. (https://twitter.com/aaronpaul_8/status/1177711341819138048?s=09)
But if they didn't cancel BoJack to save money, how could they possibly afford to keep producing Oscar contenders like Tall Girl? You've got to look at the big picture! :>
For real though, Netflix has cancelled pretty much every original series I've ever been interested in, yet they stop at nothing to keep the blights upon our society known as 13 Reasons Why and Big Mouth running indefinitely. Their CEO must be evil.
Netflix's recent axe-friendly streak seems to be part of a twofold change- a recent bias towards shorter-running series, and the company realizing they've picked up more than they can afford. Paying nine digits for one more year of (mediocre, oversaturated) Friends repeats seems like a bigger priority to them than maintaining quality programming, anyway.
It's funny to see the industry really start to favor shows ending sooner rather than later, but it does seem like if you can't find a healthy audience halfway through the first season, it's tough sailing for you. You probably won't see another Cheers, Seinfeld, or even Parks and Rec situation in this day and age, where it takes a little for audiences to find your show. At the same time, so many different series are peaking early on, that it does seem fair to end while the getting's still good. The fact that BoJack has remained as consistent as it has thus far is almost a miracle.
QuoteAt the same time, so many different series are peaking early on, that it does seem fair to end while the getting's still good.
But that would make sense if any producers on Netflix shows planned their shows to end in 2 or 3 seasons, when many of them like the American Vandal guys, the Daredevil guys, and the Santa Clarita Diet guys all said they were shocked. If you're going to greenlight a show the creators intended to run for a while, then can it just because it doesn't do Stranger Things numbers, that's acting in bad faith and something you would expect from Nickelodeon or Syfy instead of a service that prides itself as a better alternative to cable. And as shit like Tall Girl or most of those Netflix original movies demonstrate, they're definitely not interested in quality control.
I agree that that it's a travesty that an abomination like Big Mouth is somehow able to pick up another season whereas Bojack gets cut because Netflix spread themselves so thin. Sucks to hear they didn't really have a choice in ending it, I wonder if they wouldn't be able to get it renewed on Comedy Central like with Futurama?
Is Big Mouth really that bad? I'm not especially interested in it, but I've heard a lot of good things elsewhere.
It may very well get better, but I absolutely loathed the episodes I watched. Just painfully unfunny and gross, like many adult comedy cartoons.
I've heard some good and bag things about it, but the art turns me off.
I hear it's a bit of a mixed bag. There are some moments I've heard where they do things right, and then there are moments from last weekend where they showed off a clip of a pansexual character that was thrashed right and left by most members of the LGBTQ community for thinking that Bisexuals aren't attracted to Transgender individuals, among other things.
Apparently, Family Guy tried to roast Bojack Horseman, and the creator replied. (https://twitter.com/RaphaelBW/status/1186466489710178304)
Not as great as his clapback to Mike Lazzo, but still excellent.
It took me a little bit longer than I wanted to, but I finally got around to S6A, and I'm conflicted. Conflicted on whether I'm happy that the show is going to end as strong as ever (unless the back half somehow sends it down in flames), or sad that it's ending with as much life in it as the show has. I'm generally in favor of not dragging things out, but since it wasn't a creative decision to wrap up with this season, it stings.
Still, I really enjoyed what we got so far. Especially that last episode. One of the show's hallmarks is how it's able to handle each of the core character's storylines in unison with each other, so taking us away from them was a risky move which the show mostly landed. I really hope the ending in particular isn't a false starter, and BoJack can finally take repercussions for his actions. He can only indulge in his self-pity for so long, as the past season or so have been heading him towards realizing.
After six long years, it's the end.
Not sure when I'll get to these episodes. I'm not sure if I'm ready, frankly.
Started on the first half, I'll give my full thoughts when I get through the rest.
So who do you think BoJack will be in contact with after the finale?
It's obvious that his friendship with Diane is over. They've been drifting apart for a while, but that last conversation at the end just cements that they've ran their course. Which is probably for the best- it really did feel like BoJack was holding her back. It's good that he's at least at peace with it.
Princess Carolyn I think will be around a little more. She'll always have some project for him, after all. But their personal relationship similarly seems to have ran its course. She doesn't need what he has to offer; she probably never really did.
But Todd and Mr. Peanutbutter will still probably be around, I think. Especially Mr. PB, who seems all the more willing to still stand by and support BoJack. Todd, I think, has a little more going on in his life now, but their conversation in the finale seemed hopeful.