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It's Revelation Time! => Disney / Pixar => Topic started by: Daikun on October 21, 2014, 02:55:09 PM

Title: John Musker and Ron Clements (also, Moana discussion)
Post by: Daikun on October 21, 2014, 02:55:09 PM
Disney announced its newest movie coming in 2016.

(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg2.timeinc.net%2Few%2Fi%2F2014%2F10%2F20%2FMOANA.jpg&hash=60a0aba64617d897da40df60cb9d76432434c11f)

QuoteThe film will tell the story of its titular character, a teenage girl and "born navigator" who "sets sail in search of a fabled island," according to a summary from Disney. "During her incredible journey, she teams up with her hero, the legendary demi-god Maui, to traverse the open ocean on an action-packed voyage, encountering enormous sea creatures, breathtaking underworlds and ancient folklore," Disney reveals.

There's also already a crapton of fanart (http://www.dailydot.com/fandom/disney-moana-fandom-polynesian-princess-2018) since it was accidentally leaked last year. Um... Oops?

And while we're at it, I'm also going to dedicate this thread to Moana's directors, John Musker and Ron Clements. They've had a long history with Disney spanning back nearly 30 years. They did great hits like The Great Mouse Detective, The Little Mermaid, and Aladdin. They've also had a few not-so-great movies (although they still have their moments) like Hercules and Treasure Planet, and they helped erase the company's notoriety with Home on the Range being their swan song for 2D by collaborating on The Princess and the Frog. Moana will be their first CGI film.
Title: Re: John Musker and Ron Clements (also, Moana discussion)
Post by: Avaitor on October 21, 2014, 03:00:50 PM
But Home on the Range wasn't theirs. ???

Musker and Clements are definitely important names to Disney, though. I think each of their films have their strong points that make them prime for rediscovery, even if I'd consider The Little Mermaid somewhat overrated and Hercules among the weaker Renaissance films. Great Mouse Detective and Aladdin are strong enough for them to earn good will from me, while the Princess and the Frog was a great return to form for the studio that delivered on what Meet the Robinson and Bolt promised.

Treasure Planet isn't perfect, no, but I think its heart was in the right place regardless. I'm about to redeem a copy from DMR, actually, so I might get into that a little more in the near future.

While I'm a little disappointed that Moana is replacing Giants (which IIRC, is either on hold or being pushed back a bit further away), I'm still quite excited for it. I'm tired of the Frozen and Tangled hype (which definitely still exists for the latter, even if Frozen mania is the big deal right now), but Disney really have been on a winning streak for a while now, so I don't doubt that this will continue it.
Title: Re: John Musker and Ron Clements (also, Moana discussion)
Post by: Daikun on October 21, 2014, 03:15:28 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on October 21, 2014, 03:00:50 PMBut Home on the Range wasn't theirs. ???

I didn't say that.
Title: Re: John Musker and Ron Clements (also, Moana discussion)
Post by: Avaitor on October 21, 2014, 03:19:46 PM
Quote from: Daikun on October 21, 2014, 03:15:28 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on October 21, 2014, 03:00:50 PMBut Home on the Range wasn't theirs. ???

I didn't say that.
I'm reading your post again, and you're right. I misread that, so my bad!
Title: Re: John Musker and Ron Clements (also, Moana discussion)
Post by: Daikun on October 21, 2014, 06:26:21 PM
It's cool. ;)
Title: Re: John Musker and Ron Clements (also, Moana discussion)
Post by: Avaitor on December 03, 2014, 07:04:08 PM
Dwayne Johnson is going to be Maui. (http://www.thewrap.com/dwayne-johnson-in-talks-to-voice-key-role-in-disneys-moana/)

Huh, for a sidekick, he'd fit pretty alright.
Title: Re: John Musker and Ron Clements (also, Moana discussion)
Post by: Avaitor on August 14, 2015, 09:11:52 PM
Concept art and info! (http://www.insidethemagic.net/2015/08/d23-expo-2015-moana-takes-disney-fans-on-an-emotional-journey-with-clip-musical-performance/)

Moana looks great! She looks strong and feminine with great ease, which sounds perfect for her character. I don't really recognize the people behind the music, but I have faith that the score will deliver. I just hope that the Fifth Harmony girl isn't picked to play her...
Title: Re: John Musker and Ron Clements (also, Moana discussion)
Post by: Avaitor on October 07, 2015, 09:34:32 PM
The voice for Moana is... not from Fifth Harmony! (http://www.people.com/article/disney-princess-moana-aulii-cravalho)

Good on Disney!
Title: Re: John Musker and Ron Clements (also, Moana discussion)
Post by: Daikun on October 10, 2015, 04:39:54 PM
A bit of news regarding one of the duo's previous films...

Unreleased footage from Aladdin (namely, outtakes featuring Robin Williams) will be featured on the movie's Blu-Ray release. Check out a clip! (http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/outtakes-robin-williams-genie-revealed-disneys-aladdin-digital/story?id=34358242)
Title: Re: John Musker and Ron Clements (also, Moana discussion)
Post by: Daikun on January 04, 2016, 06:51:17 PM
First footage released from Moana. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBd_c54xSSg)
Title: Re: John Musker and Ron Clements (also, Moana discussion)
Post by: Daikun on June 12, 2016, 05:30:46 PM
Teaser trailer! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ForhHN3W3vA)
Title: Re: John Musker and Ron Clements (also, Moana discussion)
Post by: Avaitor on November 26, 2016, 10:31:13 AM
Did anyone get to see this yet?

I thought it was really good, although I am not a Lin-Manuel Miranda fan.
Title: Re: John Musker and Ron Clements (also, Moana discussion)
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on November 27, 2016, 04:12:34 PM
I must refrain from watching Moana for a few days because of bi/pan WOCs telling me how this dehumanizing media is meant to belittle the Pasifika while triumphing white supremacist patriarchy. (https://twitter.com/fangirlJeanne/status/802945354555486209)
Title: Re: John Musker and Ron Clements (also, Moana discussion)
Post by: Avaitor on November 30, 2016, 03:49:26 AM
I saw this again tonight, with my girlfriend, and I liked it a little more. If you're interested in a quick pros/cons list, I'd say that

+Moana is a hell of a lead, even if she isn't a princess
-Maui's a little familiar. He follows Disney's current smartass male co-lead trend to a tee, just with arguably stronger backstory than most of them. Dwayne Johnson does a good job of him, though
+We get a couple of really good songs, the best combining the film's Pacific theming to Miranda's talents...
-...but his songwriting skill aren't all that wide, and the more comedic songs are pretty tedious
+No surprise villain! The conflict is solved in a surprisingly sweet manner, in a way reminiscent of Ghibli, or Kubo if you prefer
-Twitter and piss jokes
+Fucking gorgeous animation. The water effects are fantastic, while Maui's tattoos are the closest we'll get to hand-drawn in a while, and it works well

I do think this is well worth seeing, even if you're still burned out on Frozen. It's a better movie, and worthy of the praise. I'd also rank it above Tangled, but if we're talking modern princess movies, below PATF. Hopefully this won't be Musker and Clements' last Disney movie, since they've still got it.
Title: Re: John Musker and Ron Clements (also, Moana discussion)
Post by: Daikun on November 30, 2016, 05:08:04 AM
Gaijin Goombah distinguishes the original Polynesian mythology from the Disney-fied liberties.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emn1TdkQmNs

Surprisingly, Disney was a lot more accurate than their earlier "cultural" movies.
Title: Re: John Musker and Ron Clements (also, Moana discussion)
Post by: Peanutbutter on November 30, 2016, 11:56:09 PM
Quote from: Daikun on November 30, 2016, 05:08:04 AM
Gaijin Goombah distinguishes the original Polynesian mythology from the Disney-fied liberties.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emn1TdkQmNs

Surprisingly, Disney was a lot more accurate than their earlier "cultural" movies.


Not too big a surprise, there were rumors a while back that Disney was going to try and make their fairy tale movies more closer to the original works. Now granted, that was back around when Tangled was in the planning stages but I'm not shocked to see the results occur years later.



My best friend has a two year old daughter, I might ask him and his wife if they want to go see it with me.
Title: Re: John Musker and Ron Clements (also, Moana discussion)
Post by: Daikun on March 22, 2018, 07:03:12 PM
Looks like Moana will be Musker's final movie. He has retired from Disney. (http://www.slashfilm.com/john-musker-retires)
Title: Re: John Musker and Ron Clements (also, Moana discussion)
Post by: Avaitor on March 23, 2018, 12:26:01 AM
He's had a great career and made a pretty high note to retire on. Best of luck to him.
Title: Re: John Musker and Ron Clements (also, Moana discussion)
Post by: Daikun on February 16, 2019, 03:43:54 PM
Even though he's retired, Musker will continue to make hand-drawn animated shorts. (https://dailynorthwestern.com/2019/02/13/ae/former-disney-animation-director-john-musker-finds-his-happily-ever-after)
Title: Re: John Musker and Ron Clements (also, Moana discussion)
Post by: Daikun on December 08, 2021, 10:19:37 PM
Both directors have moved on to Warner Animation Group. (https://www.animationmagazine.net/features/warner-taps-disney-vets-clements-musker-space-jam-2-writer-ballard-for-metal-men)
Title: Re: John Musker and Ron Clements (also, Moana discussion)
Post by: Daikun on April 04, 2023, 08:51:50 PM
Moana is getting a live-action remake. (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/moana-live-action-remake-in-the-works-disney-1235332204)

Hey, Disney, couldn't you have waited until AT LEAST a decade has passed since the film's release?
Title: Re: John Musker and Ron Clements (also, Moana discussion)
Post by: Daikun on February 07, 2024, 08:19:47 PM
Title: Re: John Musker and Ron Clements (also, Moana discussion)
Post by: Avaitor on February 08, 2024, 11:30:28 AM
Turning a TV series into a movie, because that's worked well before!
Title: Re: John Musker and Ron Clements (also, Moana discussion)
Post by: Daxdiv on February 08, 2024, 07:18:10 PM
Not even having Lin-Manuel Miranda return. Like, what is even the point then? Should have just stayed a Disney+ series. I saw a post on Twitter that summed it up as "Back in my day this would have been some crappy VHS movie with a guy doing the worse Dwayne Johnson Impression you ever heard."

EDIT: It appears that both Dwayne Johnson & Auli'i Cravalho are in talks about reprising their roles. (https://deadline.com/2024/02/dwayne-johnson-moana-2-1235819876/) Like LOL! I guess they were probably gonna get Jess Harnell to voice Maui since he voices him in that Disney Dreamlight Valley game, but I'm curious to who they were gonna have voice Moana. Like especially since Auli'i also came back to voice Moana in Dreamlight Valley and was the voice of Hailey in "Hailey's On It!"