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Three episodes in, and it's pretty good so far. Hasn't achieved the instant greatness that SSM did at this point, but I'm really enjoying all the characters so far, and the super hero cameos are fun without needing you to read years worth of comics on them.

On that alone I think it's a success, but what about you guys?

I think it might not be as fast paced because the first season is 26 episodes instead of TSSM's 13 episodes. The first three episodes were all pretty much just character building and we haven't gotten into the pot yet.

But, it seems shaping up just fine. As far as serious superhero shows go, this is probably the best one since TSSM so far.

I've only seen one episode of this series so far, and I liked it. It was the episode after the one hour premiere, where they focused on team building, which is kind of an important thing to do considering they have to work together. I will say that this series is grabbing my interest more than the Avengers cartoon on Disney XD.

I seem to see a somewhat mixed reaction on the new Avengers show. It has a decent following, but a lot of people also think that it's wholly mediocre, and even it's biggest supporters don't think it's destined for greatness.

I love the team to death, in any pre-Civil War lineup, but the new show didn't seem that exciting to me, so I haven't seen any of it. I want to catch up on it before the season ends, so I might, but I'm not expecting the JLU killer it should be.

It sucks that such an important team like the Avengers has only had two animated series so far, and one of them was terrible, while the other is supposedly very average. It shouldn't be that hard to make a good Avengers show, but I can't say anything more on the subject until I see it.

My thoughts on the first 3 episodes are fairly positive. I did enjoy them (MUCH more than Teen Titans, a show which I never cared for and never understood the hype or popularity behind, I might add), but to be honest they aren't nearly as strong as the beginning episodes of TSSM or anything else that I've seen that Greg Weisman was involved with before. That said, I'm giving this show the benefit of the doubt because it has not just 1, but 5 main super heroes, and the show has been doing a decent job of building them up as characters so far, and after that I'm hoping that the show takes some time to focus on the specific chemistries between individual characters when working with other specific individual characters. So far, I'm enjoying all of the characters except for Super Boy, who I don't necessarily dislike, but (and this may just be me) I do have to admit I find him to be a bit "too" angsty right now, for my liking. Of course, I do understand that he has a good reason to not be too trusting of others since he had no real allies for himself until just recently, and also his social skills can't be very good if he spent his entire life up until this point being raised in what's basically a giant test-tube. So, I'll give his character the benefit of the doubt for a while, and just hope that he develops a bit more into a more open and likable character by the end of the season.

Overall, though, I'm enjoying this show enough to definitely want to follow its progress on a weekly basis.

Got my first exposure in tonight. It's not right to judge by one episode, but I wasn't impressed. I love stealth based operations, so I was disappointed as fuck when Speedy and Superboy completely blew their cover. That and the cult just made me think of Cobra Commander each time they talked. The fight scenes also seemed just as bland as the Avengers show.

This Robin is a giant douche too, but Aqualad is awesome. As for Bane...yeah. Can't say I care about the rest of the team either, but Batman sounds pretty badass here.

I'll probably keep watching because nothing else better is on, and hopefully it can improve, because after WITCH and Spectacular Spider-Man, this seems like a step down for Greg Weisman.

Too bad, you should have started from the beginning since the first 3 episodes were much better episodes than the one that aired this week. That's not to say that they were great, but they were certainly above average. So, its kind of just your bad luck to have started at the first mediocre episode of the season (obviously I wasn't at all impressed by this episode, either).

I can't give you my opinions on the episode from last night yet, since I forgot to record and I was with my friends.

I'll try to find it online before tomorrow tonight, when it'll air next.

Hmm, I really liked the episode. Superboy is finally showing his cocky side and Robin shows just how much of a leader he isn't.

Also, with the final line it looks like the main plot will begin rolling soon.

I liked this episode as well, but I can see how it's not a good introduction episode.

If you're not familiar with this interpretation of the characters from the previous episodes, I can see how you can find them unlikable, but this is a good one for Robin and Superboy. The former proves that he's not quite the leader he thought he was, and the latter is adapting to this world more by gaining more emotions. The rest of the cast haven't had as important of a discovery this episode, but it's a solid continuation of the first three episodes, even if it is the weakest thus far.

Seriously dude, watch the 2 part pilot if you haven't seen it. It's a really great set up for the show.

Also, Superboy is a cocky asshole. Of course he's going to blow their cover, because he typically doesn't think things through. I'm glad that he's starting to turn into his comic persona slowly, he's way more interesting a character than Superman is.

No one's better than Superman.

Anyway, I loved last week's episode. Having Bane and Sportsmaster in the same episode wins major points from me.

This weeks episode was a huge step up. The team still has problems, but they weren't so busy one-upping each other/being sarcastic to completely ignore the mission. The animation seemed much more fluid here, with the gym fight being a personal highlight, as well as the team fending off the MONQI's. Also, the Justice League appearances here didn't feel like glorified cameos, you actually got to see Bruce and Clark discuss the needs of the team and Superboy's instability.

Quite a quick turnaround for something that I passed off as Teen Titans with less humor.

I still find it funny that Teen Titans, which was a fairly serious comic, turned out to be a goofy anime-inspired series, while Young Justice, which is a more comedic book, is becoming a series super hero cartoon.

I haven't seen tonight's episode yet (recorded it's premiere this time though), but I just felt like posting that.

Yeah, that's definitely odd. I'm just glad there's a show finally using the Connor Kent Superboy.

Now if I can get someone to use Impulse and Tim Drake Robin, I'll be all set.

Quote from: Rosalinas Spare Wand on February 05, 2011, 12:06:40 AM
This weeks episode was a huge step up. The team still has problems, but they weren't so busy one-upping each other/being sarcastic to completely ignore the mission.

That's a bit of an exaggeration considering they were still determined to complete their previous mission the whole time, but just weren't willing to work together as a team.

The thing is, the fact that they have immaturity problems and try to stand-out among the rest is part of the point, since their still basically young teenagers. The interesting aspect of the show (assuming it does it right, since its still really early on in the season) is how they develop past that stage into heroes who can be taken more seriously and accomplish tougher tasks as a full-fledged team. If they were all super-serious and completely mentally matured like the super heroes of the Justice League from the start, then there would be little point to this series to begin with, and it would turn out fairly boring in that case, IMO.

I liked last week's episode much better. Good team development though. And I want Green Arrow's son Connor on the team. I remember fans drooling over his skills at comicvine. I also hope that girl in green they show is not his replacement and/or supposed to be Green Arrow daughter.

I really liked this week's episode much better than the previous 2. I'm glad that this time we got to learn a bit more about Red Arrow, and it was a nice touch at the end to see that he still cared for his friends even though he refuses to be a part of their team. The new girl is certainly an interesting character and her relationship with that masked villain may prove to be an interesting plot point later on down the line as the series progresses (and considering that Greg Weisman is involved with the writing for this series, it probably will be.

Overall, after this particular episode, I'm more convinced than ever that this series is heading in the right direction. I think that so far we've gotten to see at least a little bit of good development for every single one of the main characters except for Kid Flash, but I'm sure that even he will get expanded upon at least a little bit at a later point in the series.

I liked how this episode painted Kid Flash in more of a positive (in a way, anyway) light. Normally he's goofy and aloof, but here he showed quite the strong loyalty for Speedy/Red Arrow even to the point of resenting the new girl for it.

I want to see how they'll expand on that aspect of the character in future episodes.

Want to know how much of a nerd I am? I've been getting Happy Meals from McDonalds to get as many of the toys as I can.

I got Superboy a week or two ago and got Captain Cold today. The funny thing is that I don't even remember Cold being on the show so far.

The first episode, Kid Flash punched him out.

But yeah, this show has a lot of cameos.

Repeats continue throughout June.

On top of this and the fact that Invasion will be season 2, you might as well stick a fork in the show breaking Greg's curse. I think the chances are getting slimmer for that every week.

Every other DC series gets 65. If this doesn't, I will be extremely puzzled.

Especially since it's doing so well in the ratings.

A long delay doesn't automatically we should kiss that third season good-bye, though it is becoming worrying.

I wouldn't think so either, but CN's scheduling and ethics as of late seem like that if the show isn't a instant and constant hit or has a consistent airing life, it doesn't have much longer for the world. Right now, YJ does seem to be doing quite well for them, but if still runs in repeats past June, I think it's future will be doubtful.

Wow, their still on hiatus. I honestly don't get why they didn't just wait until they had more episodes out before they started airing this series. It gets rather aggravating when you get into a series only for it to take a sudden break in the middle of a continuing season. I really do hope that the rest of the season is really good, otherwise it won't have been worth the wait.

Quote from: Desensitized on May 27, 2011, 06:50:09 PM
Every other DC series gets 65. If this doesn't, I will be extremely puzzled.

Especially since it's doing so well in the ratings.

Um, Legion Of Superheroes only got 26 episodes and it's better than any DC cartoon since Justice League. And yes, I'm going to keep bugging you about that for no good reason.

Anyway, I heard that new episodes start this Friday. I hope Avaitor has faulty intel.

Nope, double check the schedule for CN, and you'll find repeats all throughout June. I'd like to be wrong, but even then, it wouldn't be too great if new episodes started airing unannounced after such a long bout of reruns.

I hate you. Thanks for the info.

If I had more time, I'd make a macro saying

Keep Calm

and

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But seriously, what you want is in that link.

Dammit, now I gotta wait.

You're missing out, then. Without spoiling much, I think both stories worked really well, and Lex was great in here. I'll try to get into this ep more when it actually airs.

The wait for the rest of the season is going to be hard knowing how good it's going to get, based off of this episode.

Ah, got it to work.

Yeah, best episode so far. It had a lot of everything in it, despite mostly focusing on about half the team. Shame we have to wait so long for these episodes, but they are so worth the wait.

The episode's already down, so if you missed it last night, you're out of luck until CN airs it.

Ah well.

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Zatanna? I wasn't seeing that coming. Can't wait to see her.

Is it true that the new episodes are being labeled as "Season 2"?

Why am I so worried about this show when by any account, I shouldn't be?

So, this is the state of things right now as Greg has said:

QuoteAnyone in the mood for another YJ Update?
101-109 - Aired
110 - Previewed at Comic-Con
111-118 - In the can.
119-121 - In post-production.
122-125 - In animation.
126 - In layout overseas. Final color models going out today.
201-204 - In storyboard.
205 - Recording this tomorrow.
206 - I'm editing the script now.
207 - Waiting for notes on the outline.
208 - Have to write the outline.
209 - Have to read the writer's draft on the outline.
210 - In outline.
As before, we don't have an official pick-up on the back ten episodes of Season Two, but we've been given the go ahead to break the stories:
211-212 - Beat Outlines completed.
213 - We're in the middle of breaking this one on index cards.

So, season 1 is pretty much done and season 2 might have a 13 episode run instead of 10. Which leaves the door open for a final season of 26, knowing DC's policies.

I'm not sure why this show is being treated despite its quality and popularity, but as long as the series isn't cut short, I hope Greg can squeeze this out for as long as possible.

New eps might air in September. Really hope they come soon.

By then season 1 would be done. Here's hoping if that's the case they can just run it through to the finale.

Because we need something to talk about before the next episode comes.

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This was a good thread, you know.

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You know you liked it.

Any thoughts on the new episode? I thought it was pretty great overall. Even if it was mostly focused on two characters and a cast of bad guys, the plot still managed to  feel grand and big in scope.

And something tells me there is going to be one giant pay off by season's end.

I thought it was great too. I didn't see Miss Martian kissing Superboy while in disguise coming. I would have been fine with them waiting until their next episode to have them together, but I don't mind. As for The Light, I don't have a problem with their backup plans like half the people on TZ were saying, but I do hope they start getting a lot more screentime soon. So far it's just Lex and Ra's, and I'm not counting Ocean Mater because he hasn't been unmasked yet; thus we haven't really seen him as a villain yet.

And it looks like we'll be getting new episodes through at least November!

I can't wait to see what comes next.

This was a good episode, overall. The series is clearly spending at least the first half of its season focusing more on character development and background plot build-up than on jumping straight into big action set-pieces and is making the wise decisions of not pulling out all of the stops early on in the series, and leaving the really good stuff that you know is coming for later. That's what will keep people watching.

One thing that I've noticed is that out of all of the characters so far, Robin has by far gotten the least amount of characterization. Every other character by now has had some moments to themselves within the series for the viewer to get a lot more insight into them and have at least expanded a little bit in their individual personalities and their personalities towards interacting with others since the beginning of the series. All except for Robin, anyways. The closest that he has gotten to getting some good characterization was in the episode where the team were still at odds with one another and he was trying to take over as leader (and in that episode it was more about the team as a whole so everyone had their personal flaws exposed at that time, rather than just Robin).

Its not like I'm criticizing the show or anything, as I'm sure he'll get an episode that puts a good amount of focus on him in one of the upcoming episodes as well, but I just find it kind of strange that he seems rather ignored among other characters, so far (as in, even Kid Flash seems to have gotten more screen-time and dialogue than him, when I really think about it). Of course, I'm not a fan of Robin (any iteration; Tim Drake was OK, though), but being that he's probably the most iconic and recognizable character on the show for people such as myself who don't read comic books, I always thought that he would have been one of the first characters to get some major development as an individual.

If it makes any difference, the next episode actually will be focused on Robin and Artemis, so that should be a bit of a difference. He has gotten the least amount of attention so far, however.

That said, I like the way they've been tackling Superboy. He's not like he is in the comics (considering their background differences, that's to be expected), but he is clearly the same character and person as a whole. I've always really liked Connor Kent as a character (I do hope we get to see more of his sense of humor later on) and I liked that they managed to not only use him in an animated series (finally), but characterize him so well without keeping him the "Dumb as bricks and angry" character they easily could have. If he didn't use his head here, nobody would have made it out.

While I agree too that Robin has had the least screentime so far, I think that's just because of the amount of other shows he's gotten. Heck, Teen Titans was on just four years ago before Young Justice. I'm sure Brandon and Greg's team just wanted to make sure everyone else got characterized as well. He'll get his moment soon enough, especially since he's with Artemis in the next episode and we haven't seen the two of them together much at all except for Bereft.

Yeah, I figured that since Robin was already such an iconic character among most people, whether they read comic books or not, people were already well familiar with him and thus he could probably get away with a little bit less personal characterization than the other, lesser known characters in the show. That said, he still does deserve a decent amount of personal development seeing as how this show still features its own unique interpretation of his character as opposed to being just like any other iteration of him in other media, so in that respect we still don't know too much about "this" particular version of Robin except for the fact that he's Batman's side-kick and that he's usually pretty cool-headed among the other characters in the team but also has a fair amount of cockiness in his own attitude that can get him into trouble at times.

Well, at any rate since we'll be getting to see more of his next week than by the end of that episode each character in the show will have gotten at least one episode giving them some good individual development.

That was some nice focus on Robin and Artemis. Also, what an ending! I wonder what this will lead to?

I have to admit that I wasn't crazy on the episode before this, but I really liked the new one. Robin and Artemis have really good chemistry with each other, and it's good to see them both have focus on them, considering how underused they've been so far.

Artemis's origin elements make a lot of sense and really add to her character, too.

It was a really entertaining episode, and there was definitely good chemistry between Robin and Artemis, but honestly in the way of characterization it was more of an episode just for Artemis than both her and Robin (being that we didn't really learn anything new about Robin in this episode). I guess they are just purposely relying on most viewers probably already knowing enough about Robin at least from his presence in past animated series since it doesn't seem like they intend to go too much into his character in this show. Maybe I'm wrong or just missing something, though.

Anyone else catch the new episode?

Wasn't expecting Captain Marvel to appear yet, but he was a great addition to the ep. It was pretty solid overall.

Something tells me there's going to be an uproar on the team when they find out Billy's true age and that he made the JL.

Great ep, but I've liked them all so far.

To be perfectly honest I was a bit underwhelmed by this episode, myself. It was decent enough but the whole "every team member out for themselves with no real sense of leadership" thing has been done before earlier on in this series, so this felt more like a retread of ground that we've already covered, and as a whole it felt too predictable as well. Sure, this time it had more to do with the rest of the team being angry and Aqua Lad for not telling them about the traitor, but at the same time it still just turned into most of them splitting up. It at least would have been interesting if the rest of them stayed and worked as a group but sort of excluded Aqua Lad from the operation due to no longer trusting him as a leader.

Anyways, I don't mean to sound like Mr. Negative, as I still enjoyed the episode for its action and pacing and still find this to be a really good show (I wouldn't call it great just yet, though), but I'd rather later episodes go down a much less predictable structure than this one.

Tonight's episode was really good. I can't say much now because my arm hurts, but the action was spectacular! Greg meant every word when he said this was the episode where things pick up. Still can't believe they actually went ahead and revealed all the members of The Light.

Can't believe Avengers and Jedigreedo's reactions to it over at TZ though. Talk about whiny. :imnothappy:

Eh, while it was definitely good, I think the show's going the path of those crappy Jeph Loeb movies and trying to shove in every DC character in no matter how insubstantial they are. It just kind of devalues their personality when you see Black Adam and Ultra-Humanite as brutes with few to no lines.

I really didn't like how they handled The Joker in this episode. He honestly comes off as more lame than actually threatening. But, then again, maybe I'm just spoiled by Heath Ledger's interpretation of The Joker....but I don't think that's the case since I still love Mark Hamil's Joker as well (in the animated series, of course; he's kind of "meh" in Arkham Asylum, IMO).

The episode itself was pretty entertaining but even as someone who's never read Young Justice (or any DC comic for that matter) in my life, I have to admit that I saw that twist with The Light coming a mile away. And, honestly, I kind of find it hard to believe that the Justice League would really fall for a trick like that. Well, maybe its not as obvious from their perspective, but I would at least expect Batman of all people to suspect that this group was just a decoy to distract them from the real one.

Having said that, I don't want this to sound like I'm bashing the series. Its still relatively good, but I have to admit I'm a bit disappointed since I expected it to have stepped up in quality to being great by now. To be honest I actually feel that AEMH was actually a better show by this point in its first season run, respectively. Of course, the show could still improve later on. At least things have certainly picked up with this episode.

Personally, I really liked the reveal that Vandal Savage is the leader of The Light. I've never read any comics featuring the character, but I really liked him as a villain in Justice League/ and was a bit disappointed that that show didn't use him more.

Agreed that both Ultra-Humanite and Black Adam were woefully under-utilized though. Ultra especially deserves more respect, he was the first real super-villain Superman fought, after all. He was Luthor before there was a Luthor.

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Keep in mind though, that there's a good chance there were budgetary reasons and/or scheduling issues. Given that, not everyone that appears in certain episodes are going to have lines.

I thought Joker was decent, I have a feeling we'll see the Injustice League again down the road. When they do, they'll probably have Black Adam and Humanite speak up then. My problem with this episode is why a character like Wotan would willingly be used as proxy when he's not a team player from what I heard about the comics. I think it would have been a better idea if he and Klarion had each others spots. But, I'm sure Brandon and Greg have their reasons.

I really don't like the Joker's voice. It sounds like he was trying to channel both Ledger and Kevin Michael Richardson (why the latter, though?), but couldn't succeed at doing either. And he was a little too spastic here even beyond the voice, but I have a feeling that he's going to redeem himself later on in the season.

The rest of the episode was quite good regardless. I called the League of Shadows showing up at the end, but I thought it was a worthy closer anyway.

No more Pinocchios.

I think we can all agree that the last episode was aces, right? Seriously, this felt almost like an episode of Gargoyles to me even more than anything else Greg Weisman has ever done since. Basically nothing but engaging moment after moment throughout, and Red Volcano? Man, he was one vicious bad guy- and probably my favorite so far just for how straightforward he was.

EDIT: Just realized this one was written by Mr. Weisman himself. Great stuff!

It was a really good episode, and the quality of Greg Weisman's writing really shows that he's still as talented as ever. I actually liked this episode a lot more than last week's episode, even though that episode was a much bigger event of sorts. This one was more self-contained and had some surprisingly good charaterization for Red Tornado, proving him to be a much more interesting character than he initially seemed to be.

Everyone thought Failsafe was a cop-out, but I actually don't. I mean, either way the Leaguers were going to come back, and I thought them being in a training exercise was better than them just being in jail or something boring like that.

What matters is we saw how good the team is under extreme duress. And they have come a long way.

Honestly, I found the ending to be pretty predictable. I was expecting it to be either a bad dream or some kind of simulation in the end. I don't know why people were so surprised by the ending. I mean its not the first time we've seen something like that pulled in a DC animated series. :sly:

Well, in my opinion the reason most people hate these sorts of episodes is because they have no consequences on the real world and are more like fan fiction since nobody was in any real danger -even though we learned that wasn't the case here. The difference here is that I'm pretty sure most everything in this episode WILL come into play later especially considering the subtitle of season 2.

I actually think this takes from Future Tense's idea from Gargoyles. "Was it a dream; or a prophecy?"

While I don't think that they'd kill off literally ALL of the Justice League for real in this series (remember, there are still kids watching this as well, even if it does present mature subject material), I do fully expect them to kill off at least one pretty big-named hero in this series. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised at all if quite a few ended up dying off as this series progresses and gets darker or more intense. I also think we will see at least one of the members of YJ team get killed off before this series is over (though certainly not in the 1st season), and for some reason I get the feeling that if anyone were to die off, it would be one of the females (either Artemis or Megan). That's just the sort of feeling that I get, but either way I don't expect something like that to happen until close to the end of the series, so I don't think that we'll see any major deaths in this season, but I could easily be proven wrong.

I'm betting that Zatara gets culled soon, given his rather odd inclusion into the JL and how his death would give Zatanna a motivation for being part of the team.

Hey look they used Secret and Harm and left in the reason for Harm's power and Secret's death.

Also, I hope this isn't the last we've seen of either.

Same here. Really good episode.

My only beef is that it took so long for this to air. But hey, it was rightfully creepy, had decent development all across the board, and I loved seeing all the high school students in various super hero costumes.

This episode was pretty good. I was expecting to learn a bit more about Artemis when Harm was talking about her inner demons and such, though, however we didn't really learn any new details about her. Other than that, though, the episode was pretty solid. I could've done without the high school Halloween part comic relief bits myself, though.

Miss Martian scaring Marvin as Marvin the Martian was hilarious! Say that five times fast. :lol:



Harm was awesome, almost as much as Red Volcano. Am I the only one loving the one-shot villains more than The Light right now? I mean Luthor, Ra's, and The Brain seem pretty cool (I'm not feeling Klarion as a member and I liked his TNBA persona better), but I don't feel like we've seen enough of them together onscreen. Their master plan (whatever it is) seems to be a bit scattered at the moment too. Hopefully, we'll see them interacting with each other more soon.


I knew they'd still have Harm and Secret's backstory intact. They could say she died, just not how she died. Which is just fine with me, because it makes it a lot more subtle and dramatic. Hopefully, they'll both come back at some point.

So the show has finally resumed. Geez, CN is dragging this out. By the time we finally get through season 1, the show will have started almost two years ago. These breaks are killing the pacing.

Speaking of which, these recent episodes have been great. Misplaced was an interesting episode, but Coldhearted was a bit more straightforward. I still can't wait for this season tor each its end so I can actually watch them all the way through.

Yeah, the constant breaks really kill the pacing for me. This is especially true when continuity comes into play and certain parts of episodes reference past events that I don't quite remember that well since those are from episodes that aired months ago which I haven't seen since they first aired.

That said, the last 2 episodes were pretty stand-alone for the most part and they were each solid episodes in their own right. I'm not surprised to see Zatanna joining the team (I think it was obvious from her first appearance that she would eventually become a future full-time member), but what I liked about her episode was the circumstances which forced her to join. I can't help but feel that she'll blame herself a little for resorting to putting on the mask, which forced her father to strike a deal with Nabu and give himself up to become Dr. Fate in place of her. Anyways, it'll be interesting to see how her character interacts with the other members of the team in future events.

As for the episode Coldhearted, I felt that it was a decent episode centered on Wally, but one thing I hope the writers follow-through with is staying consistent with the character development for certain characters. While Wally is largely the main comic relief of the team and is also known for getting hot-headed and losing focus at time, he realized in this episode that acting that way in a mission can really have dire consequences, in this case on someone else's life. That doesn't mean that I expect him to make a full change, but it'll be nice if future episodes can subtly show him having a more focused and serious attitude than he previously did when he and the team or on a real mission. I've seen too many shows that have episodes dedicated to characters learning a specific lesson, and then having them make the same mistakes repeated over and over again in future episodes. I think that the writers for this series have been pretty good with the characters so far, though, so I'm pretty sure they'll stay consistent with the character development for each character throughout the series.

I'd totally watch Hello Megan if it was real.

Unfortunately I missed this week's episode, being that I completely forgot that the show was on Friday nights (for some reason I kept thinking it was on Saturday). Anyways, does anyone know when (or if) CN airs YJ reruns of newly aired episodes?

It actually airs on Saturday mornings now. I don't have any idea what they're doing with this show, it's actually kind of frustrating.

It's a part of DC Nation, which is their one hour animation block of DC Shows and shorts they air on Saturday. I think there's a repeat of the block on Sunday as well. It starts at 10 with new Green Lantern and then 10:30 is Young Justice episodes.

Yeah, there's a repeat on Sunday mornings, so you should be good to go.

Oh, that sounds nice. I'll have to look up what time it is, but I'll definitely try to make sure that I catch it tomorrow morning.

Oh, I've gotta say that they pretty much nailed late '70s/early '80s sitcoms with Hello Megan's theme song. "Created by Greg Vietti & Brandon Weisman" was a good touch too, lol.  ;D

I don't want to spoil the rest for EK yet, but it's another great episode.

Yes it was. I caught it on my cable provider's On Demand service. That reveal near the end... man... all this time she was a liar, a filthy dirty liar. How does it feel to lie to your friends, you liar! :P

OK, who took me seriously with that? I was seriously getting Persona 4 vibes during that reveal with her true self being revealed. Other than that, I did like how they name drop Garfield Logan in this episode and how he might get his powers in the YJ universe, and Hello Megan theme song. Felt like a theme song you would hear in an 80's sitcom.

Interesting ideas with Project Match. They clearly put in some ideas from Match and Superboy Prime from the comics as well as a bit of Luthor's early encounters with Superboy.

Though th ending does raise the question of what else Luthor has done to Connor when he wasn't aware. I think this makes it rather obvious that he's not the real mole. Or at least the "intentional" one.

Okay, we're nearing the end of season one! (And apparently season 2 is starting the week right after) So how is everyone else feeling?

Red Arrow just came to the conclusion that there is no mole, after the team took down Parasite. But there's still two episodes left in the season, so who knows what could happen?

So far, I'm taking that Red Arrow thinking that M'gann, Artemis, and Connor aren't the mole and that it might be the one we least suspect. M'gann is just a liar with her episode where we learned where Megan came from and her true self of being a White Martian, Artemis comes from a family of villains, so I can see her trying to be a hero as a way to show that she's different seeing as how I thought she didn't like being associated with them, while Connor while he does have access to Superman's power thanks to Lex, I don't think it could be him.

After all of this build-up, I must admit that I'd be kind of ticked off if there didn't turn out to be a mole on the team. I mean, its a cool concept that one of the well-established characters/heroes of this team could be a traitor, or at least have their own agenda and motivations that are causing them to have to betray the team against their will, and I'd like to see a nice twist on that by the end of this season.

I really can't wait to see the last two episodes of season one. I wonder if it's a two-parter like the pilot? Either way, I kind of wish they could air them both but it's fine.


I'm really looking forward to finding out what The Light's Master Plan really is. If I have to guess, I'd say they'll use that fragment of Starro to brainwash all of the planet's ordinary people into attacking the Justice League, but really I think at this point it could be anything. As for who the spy is, I don't see how it would make sense for it to be Red Arrow. I'm beginning to think it's Aqualad although the fact they said he doesn't know Black Manta is his father still makes that a bit cloudy for me.


It should be great this week though.

And that's why Greg Weisman is the man.

Yes, yes he is.

One entertaining episode if I do say so myself. Next week looks even more amazing.

One weird thing is after next week is the season finale, it goes straight into season 2 the following week. I hope that's not a bad sign for the series, as it really deserves it's success.

But I don't really want another hiatus like the last two.

I welcome going straight into Season 2 with open arms, especially after the drought that was whatever the hell this long break was about. I just hope they get more episodes after that.

Aw man, is nobody else keeping up with this series? I wanted to discuss the "reveal" and what it means for the future of the show...

Blame CN's refusal to air reruns at a watchable time.

I've been using my cable provider's On Demand service to watch this, along with other shows like Green Lantern Pok?mon Black and White. If it wasn't for that, I would be so far behind since even if I did watch YJ, I usually go into work at 11 and miss the last 10 minutes of the show since my job is like 5 minutes away from my house.

Been using my DVR to record YJ. About four episodes behind, but still better off than if I didn't use it.

I'm always a week behind my super hero shows. It's hard to get TV time in the living room now.

Finally caught up with this and GL.

Called it on Red Arrow being the mole the whole time.

I wonder how it happened, and how Batman or anyone else didn't catch it, though.

Probably they'll do a series of flashbacks with Vandal Savage narrating, like when Norman was exposed as the Goblin in Spectacular Spider-Man. I wasn't entirely sure Red Arrow was the mole, but I knew brainwashing would be involved no matter who the mole was because it got to the point where each Team member's characterization made it impossible to believe any one would betray the others willingly.


My guess is Roy was manipulated during the events of the first two episodes, I could see them revealing that he followed them to Cadmus and got caught by one the scientists.

Damn, this was epic. You're not gonna see a fight scene like you got with Robin and Superboy taking on Bats and Supes again anytime soon.

This episode also explains how Red Arrow was able to be the mole the whole time. Although it does lead to some questions, like when Batman and Red Tornado were talking to the YJ at the beginning, where they completely under control or did they actually get to speak to them heads on?

I think they were already under control. They just wanted to use the team to find Speedy to make their jobs on finding every hero easier.

Great season finale (even though there's more next week), and I'm glad to see Clark open up to Connor like that.

Oh yeah, that reminds me. I have a feeling that Conner subconsciously knew Superman's alter ego, which is why he went with Kent for his last name.

Really sweet either way though.

The Light now not only has Superboy's clone (I foresee a Superboy Prime situation coming) but also the original Roy. So while they lost the battle, the war isn't quite done yet. I wonder how Invasion will play out?

I have to admit, this season finale is the first episode that got me really invested in the whole Universe of this show. Up until this point, the show was merely good in my eyes, but not one of the greats (and I still can't really call it that just based on this season alone). But that said, this episode got me pumped. I was downright excited to see what happened next for every moment that I was watching it, and I actually felt like I cared more about the characters and the team as a whole during the whole incident.

Now I'm pretty pumped for season 2, and I'm really glad to know that I won't even have to wait more than a week for it to start airing.

Basically, the show just went up a notch in my book. :thumbup:

Such a great season finale. If we didn't have more episodes with that, I would be content with that being the finale. Really like the fight scenes between the Team and the League, especially the Superman & Batman vs Superboy & Robin. I also liked how Zatanna tried to save her dad from Fate yet again. This is going to haunt her until she dies sadly.

That and I loved the kisses everyone shared near the end, especially between Artemis & Kid Flash and Zatanna & Robin. That and I got to say that I love this interpretation of Vandal Savage. Liked his message about Survival of the Fittest and how the League kind of hampers with the natural order and when to retreat.

So the first few minutes of the season 2 premiere...  :wth:

What's wrong with it?

Quote from: Foggle on April 28, 2012, 01:07:19 PM
What's wrong with it?

Time skip. Dozen new characters get introduced.

Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on April 28, 2012, 01:08:15 PM

Quote from: Foggle on April 28, 2012, 01:07:19 PM
What's wrong with it?

Time skip.

We talking Slightly Older Justice, Adult Justice, Middle Age Justice, or Senior Justice here?

It was a 5-year time-skip, so everyone is in their older teens for the most part. Of the members from season 1, only Robin (now Night Wing), Super Boy, Ms. Martian, and Zatanna appear. Aqua Lad, Kid Flash, Red Arrow, and Artemis are nowhere to be seen as of yet.

To be honest, this episode was more confusing for me than anything else. I felt like it tried to throw too much at us at once, and of course I have no reason to care about any of the new characters yet since there are a ton of them and none of them really got any significant characterization in this episode. I guess it just bothers me because I'm not a fan of these time-skips that happen out of nowhere. I like to at least have an idea of what happened to the other characters that we have come to care about and what developments they have gone through since we've last seen them, but to be fair I'm pretty sure we'll get all those holes filled in as this season progresses (or at least I hope so). Still, I felt that even on its own, this episode was just way too much of a clusterfuck. Hopefully the narrative gets more focused in future episodes of this season.

... All those new characters and we couldn't at least get Impulse? I was hoping to at least see the original YJ trifecta or Tim, Bart, and Connor.

But yeah, I'm lost.

The time skip did throw me off guard and I am left wondering what happened to Wally, I will still give this season a shot. After all, I am curious to see how this series handles Beast Boy and Blue Beetle. Along with this new character that's basically discrediting the Justice League.

Besides, we all know this isn't the worst time skip, Digimon did it worst at the end of Season 2.  As long as that exists, there will never be a worst time skip. :P

Quote from: Daxdiv on May 02, 2012, 03:37:05 PM
The time skip did throw me off guard and I am left wondering what happened to Wally, I will still give this season a shot. After all, I am curious to see how this series handles Beast Boy and Blue Beetle. Along with this new character that's basically discrediting the Justice League.

I don't think that this time skip would be a problem is future episodes find a clever way to give us an idea of just what has happened with all of the season 1 characters between the end of that season and the beginning of this one. However, if the show just automatically expects us to give a shit about all of these new characters without giving us any idea of what went on with the original season 1 members, then it may quickly lose my interest.

QuoteBesides, we all know this isn't the worst time skip, Digimon did it worst at the end of Season 2.  As long as that exists, there will never be a worst time skip. :P

I honestly believe that the epilogue was specifically written by someone who didn't know a thing about Digimon Adventure. Its just so baffling in how inconsistent it is with the characters, and on its own I'm pretty sure it creates more plot-holes than what it took Adventure 02 an entire season to create in terms of its own inconsistencies.

I was just surprised they had a time skip so fast. After only one season seems a bit soon.

Still, they seem to have every single Young Justice/Teen Titans member from the comics that have yet to appear in animation so far. It's just missing telling us what happened to the other members and the lack of Impulse. (I'm not going to let that go, Mr. Weisman)  ;))

Since it seemed to start so fast, I'm hoping this season has a bit more pace to it than the previous one.

Maybe it's because I'm mentally sick, but hearing about Beast Boy's backstory made me chuckle. Seriously, Queen Bee was petty enough to make his mom get killed in a car crash, leading him to get catatonic whenever he sees waterfalls. It's like something out of a fucking Looney Toons plot.

This series has been inconsistent in quality since the beginning, honestly. I didn't really like this episode, either, and maybe there's more to the death of Garfield's mom that makes it seem less petty than a car accident, but honestly I don't really even care since I still have no reason to care about Beast Boy or any of the other new characters. Meanwhile we only get a vague hint of what happened between Super Boy and Ms. Martian, and once again we don't learn anything of the other characters like Kid Flash, Artemis, Red Arrow, and Aqua Lad. This show is just trying to cover too many characters for my liking. The ending of season 1 was promising, but the series has quickly lost focus again, and I sincerely hope that it gets back on track.

Meanwhile, I think Avengers has been really solid with its run so far, with not a single bad or even lackluster episode in the 2nd season yet. I heard that the series might get weaker after the midpoint of the season when the original writers left (or something like that), but so far its had a much more consistent run than Young Justice has had, IMO.

I'm still confused.

Let's see, from this episode I got that it was Connor that broke up with Miss Martian, Beast Boy's mom died in a car crash that was probably caused by Queen Bee, Adam Strange knows the works of Lewis Carroll (Which was one of my favorite parts in the episode) and that Miss Martian is probably as cold as ever since she did the same thing she did to Psimon to that other alien.

I'm still going to watch the show, but the reveal that Aqualad turned into a bad guy because his girl died just sounds stupid to me. I know we knew very little about him in comparison to the rest of the group, but he was always the most reliable of the team. Seeing this just feels random.

Yeah, I'm sorry to say, but this series has just completely lost my interest since the beginning of this season. I don't like any of the new plot points, its actually caused me to stop giving a fuck about the original team members from season 1 now, and I still have no clue what's going on aside from the fact that this invasion has to do with those 16 hours that the key Justice League members went missing back in season 1 when they were under the control of Vandal Savage.

The show is just so boring for me now, honestly. I'll watch a few more episodes in the hopes that things improve, but so far all 3 of the episodes that have aired for season 2 so far are stinkers, IMO. I just don't care for them and I don't like the way that this season is shaping up.

Meanwhile Avengers: EMH is staying consistently strong, which makes this look even worse in comparison when I directly compare this show to that one.

Ironically, this is the very same problem EMH had at the beginning of the series. Too much going on, no cohesion, and we're just thrown into situation after situation. This really would have benefited from having a season between the two.

Also, I doubt Aqualad's a real traitor.

From her Twitter, I'm starting to agree with JesuOtaku on how the show's going to the crapper. It's become a soap opera where the characters get routinely screwed over by the plot instead of by their own faults.

I'm just honestly confused as to what Greg Weisman is trying to do here. He's never been the type to let plot overcome characters, nor the type to rush through episodes at light speed.

So far, there hasn't needed to be a time gap for any reason other than to introduce more characters, and that's really unlike him.

And so far absolutely NONE of the new characters have even gotten any real characterization. And if Weisman's primary focus is the story, he and his writers aren't doing a very good job of it with this season, so far. The story is just all over the place and I'm left completely confused. Maybe its because I'm not familiar with the comics, but that's a stupid reason since I was able to follow season 1 just fine and I had never read a Young Justice comic in my life. I don't even see why we needed a major time-skip like this in the first place.

This story was never in the comics, it's completely original.

But again, think about it. This was originally going to be only 10 episodes. I can only imagine how that would have turned out. I'm still willing to give this a chance, but he needs to slooooooooooooooooooooow down. Season 1 was a bit too slow, but this is way too far in the other extreme.

I would have preferred if they kept the new team smaller, too. Robin (Tim Drake), Impulse, Blue Beetle, Lagoon Boy, and Wonder Girl would have been enough with some focus on the older members. Some stand alone episodes are definitely needed.

I liked the newest episode. It was a lot slower and focused on fewer characters than before. Also it's nice to see more on the whole Red Arrow situation. No cheap twists this time, everything seems to make more sense.

Also, I'm starting to think Superboy should be team leader. Somehow he's not only the only team member taking his job seriously, but is actually the most down to earth. He also seems to have heat vision now, if I heard him right. I also really liked seeing more of Blue Beetle, it was nice to see one of the new members actually fleshed out.


*Spoilers*I really hope Red Arrow doesn't become Arsenal... That's something we really don't need to see in animation.*Spoilers*

I watched the episode. Its a slight improvement, but it still hasn't swayed me too much, being that I'm still confused on the first 3 episodes of the season and this hasn't helped to clear those up at all.

What I liked:

I did like Red Arrow's story-line getting re-visited, here, and for the most part it actually makes sense without too many contrivances....except for the fact that there's apparently another clone of Roy talking to the Roy clone who's currently posing as Red Arrow? Maybe I'm forgetting something from season 1 or missing something entirely, but what exactly is up with that? Also, I have no idea how he would have hooked up with Cheshire. That just came out of nowhere. But I did like the focus on Red Arrow himself.

Superboy and Blue Beetle- These 2 got plenty of focus in this episode, Superboy has proven that he has matured and would make quite a good leader (as Desensitized has pointed out; though to be fair Nightwing has been shown to be just as serious about the team as Superboy and seems to currently deserve his status as leader), and for once we got to learn about one of the new team members.

I also like that we got to see Wally and Artemis, and even though they are no longer heroes it doesn't seem like they were forcefully written out of the series to make room for the new characters, since it makes sense that they would quit doing dangerous work once they decided to start a relationship.

What I didn't like:

I fucking hate The Light. I'm sorry, but these are some pretty badly done villains. I don't get the motivation of any of them, I hardly even know any of them, and I hate how they always seem to have the upper hand in anything without any shred of depth to their characters. Also, there seems to be yet another big bad guy that should apparently cause the heroes some great trouble in the future and the show lets us know that by not showing him yet since he's apparently some big reveal waiting to happen. Personally I'm sick of all this. Stop building up new villains and plot-twists when you haven't even fleshed out the current ones. Greg Weisman should know better than this.

Also, the general plot-line of this season still makes no sense to me. Please explain what the fuck is going on with this invasion and why I should care about any of it. The show certainly hasn't done that for me, yet.

This didn't really seem to have much about the actual invasion, it seems it was just about old alien life being used as a weapon by the Light. But I agree, none of the villains have been fleshed out at all- save maybe Icicle Jr. Which is why it's lame that it seems like he's back to being a one note bad guy.

Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on May 20, 2012, 01:48:08 AM
except for the fact that there's apparently another clone of Roy talking to the Roy clone who's currently posing as Red Arrow? Maybe I'm forgetting something from season 1 or missing something entirely, but what exactly is up with that?

That was actually Guardian. Why they made him look so much like Roy AND even using the same voice actor, I don't know, but that wasn't actually Red Arrow/Speedy.

I'm actually confused as to why the Light has done nothing with either Superboy Prime or Speedy yet. I mean, it's been five years. There had to have been chances.

Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 20, 2012, 01:55:16 AM
That was actually Guardian. Why they made him look so much like Roy AND even using the same voice actor, I don't know, but that wasn't actually Red Arrow/Speedy.

Alright, thanks for clearing that up. I have no idea who Guardian is since I don't read comics, which is why I have to agree that its pretty stupid that they made him look like Roy and have the exact same voice actor with the exact same tone of voice. As far as I could tell he was another clone. That just really threw me off, especially since his character was never established last season and they just threw him out here in this episode.

This was a good episode this week.  I like the Batgirl/Wonder Girl (Cassie)/Bumblebee/Miss Martian team-up. For once an all female super hero team that didn't shove the whole "Girl Power!" thing down everyone's collective throats.

Also, it seems evident that Jamie's missing friend Ty will eventually become Apache Chief. The shows' writers have dropped some subtle hints towards this conclusion:

1) Ty's grandfather mentions that Ty is the last in a long line of Apache chiefs.

2) Ty's surname is "Longshadow", which was also the name of the Ultiman version of AC who appeared in the Justice League Unlimited episode "Ultimatum".

The fact that Ty wasn't found or rescued at the episode's end could likewise mean that this will be touched upon in a later episode. Last season, we got Wendy & Marvin, and now Apache Chief. Could The Wonder Twins, Samurai and El Dorado be next?

I've enjoyed the last two episodes since they put the plot in the background to develop some characters instead. I'm really digging Jaime, and enjoyed the mission with the gals, and I hope the next few episodes are a lot slower like this. We have all these characters, now let us get to know them.

As for a prediction, I'm expecting Barry Allen to meet his end and Wally to step in for him. The reason? Because I'm still expecting Bart (probably will be re-written as some kind of a Barry/Wally clone) to show up as the new Kid Flash. Why do I keep mentioning this? Because I'm almost positive that it will happen.

This episode finally got me to start caring about one of the new team members, Blue Beetle. It also only juggled 2 plots at once instead of like....5 of them. I'm hoping that the rest of the episodes this season follows the pacing of this one, because it was pretty perfect here.

So this is already my favorite episode, and it hasn't even ended yet.

Best episode by far.

Bart = YES

So, yeah, Aqua Lad was just undercover the whole time. I'm fine with that twist and all, but this episode made me realize that this show is trying to throw one too many twists at us that it just kind of feels silly at times. Does EVERY single episode have to have some big revelation behind it? It just seems like the plot is trying too hard to seem smart. Still, that aside, it was actually a pretty good episode. I'm just kind of getting tired of some big reveal always happening in the last 2 minutes. It actually gets kind of predictable, and in this case I never felt like Artemis would really die because I was already expecting a twist with her turning out to be alive, which is exactly what happened.

Well, that makes that plot-line a lot less convoluted.

Still, it's a real shame that there's another hiatus. I was eager to see where it was going to lead up... And eager to see more of Bart!

Oh well, the season has been picking up from it's way too fast start.

I've been playing catch-up today, since I was 2 episodes behind.

Is Tim Curry capable of subtlety at all?

Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 15, 2012, 02:12:31 PM
Is Tim Curry capable of subtlety at all?

How dare you question DC!Glenn Beck? Because of him, I make sure to check my windows everyday for oncoming Martian threats.

I love Tim Curry... :(

Quote from: Foggle on June 15, 2012, 02:19:56 PM
I love Tim Curry... :(

It's not really the acting that bothers me, but rather how strawman the writing can be.

His character blows here, and his performance doesn't save it. Half the time I expect him to pull a Nigel Thornberry.

The Impulse episode was really good, btw. I loved seeing all the Flashes team up together. And the ending to the second really surprised me.

The Impulse/Flash Family episode was the best one of this season so far, IMO.

Well, hopefully they'll be replaying the season premiere tomorrow so I can understand things now. I still wish it wasn't so fast.

First episode back, and no surprise it was awesome.  8) Not having been able to get into the comics, I wonder who Rocket is getting married to? Will her wedding be the setting for another all girl episode? I liked the exchanger she had with Captain Cold.


No real big twist at the end, just Lex resolving issues with Speedy who renames himself Arsenal at the very end. Roy's new arm looks pretty cool too. Can't wait for next week!

So, I've already made it clear that I'm not the biggest fan of this series, especially with how the 2nd season has felt way too clustered to me so far. I thought that the 1st season was mostly good, but very little about it stood out to me as being anything great. I expected a huge improvement from season 2, but to me it just felt like it was trying to do way too much at once and as a result I felt a certain disconnection from the numerous characters introduced in this season as very few of them have gotten very much good development thus far, and I even feel out of the loop when it comes to the season 1 characters as well. Basically, season 2 has just had a really big pacing problem for me.

That said, this week's episode was pretty good and the pacing was really solid this time. It chose to mainly focus on Roy Harper (the real Roy Harper), and how he has to cope with being awoken after 8 years of being Luthor's lab specimen. Being the hot-headed sort of character that he is in this series, he of course quickly initiates his revenge attempt on Luthor, and we get some pretty cool action scenes out of that situation. The episode also shows us bits and pieces of what the other characters are up to without losing focus of the main plot being covered in this episode, so we get some good moments out of that without ever feeling that the episode's pacing is being hindered for it.

Hopefully the rest of the season can maintain this sort of pacing and really manage to make me more interested in the characters (both old and new), and also actually make me interested in where the story is headed.

So we have Arsenal AND Red Arrow at the same time? Interesting.

Not a bad episode, all told. I'm eager to see what happens next.

So I've been marathoning the entirety of Season One lately. So far I'm liking it quite a bit.

Did anyone else watch this week's episode?

At the end, Wally brought up the possibility that Kaldur might actually be a triple agent. I really hope that just turns out to be false theorizing on his part because I'd find a twist like that to be way too ridiculous. I'd be fine with Kaldur being a straight-up traitor or a double-agent, but having him be a traitor in the form of a triple-agent is the kind of convoluted nonsense that has been bugging me about this season of YJ up until now.

Another thing that I didn't like about this episode is how at the end Nightwing tried to justify their plan to rescue Lagoon Boy by....having Kaldur take even more of his team hostage in order to gain the trust of The Light.....

Yeah, I'm going to have to agree with Wally about that being a stupid idea. Putting more members at risk to essentially save one member. I mean, I know that the plan is supposed to be to save them all since Kaldur passed some important intel on the villains to Nightwing, but that doesn't change the fact that they now have 3 more members as captives in enemy territory. That said, I at least hope that they follow through with this plan now that its in action. I'd be far more ticked off if this turned out to be some deceptive strategy with yet another twist behind it.

Other than that, the episode had some OK moments for some of the supporting characters, but it went back to doing a lot of the things that I haven't liked about this season so far. That's just my personal opinion, though.

Yeah, so much meticulous and often ridiculous plotting is going to make the payoff feel so anticlimactic if they keep going like this, if there even is any payoff.

Finally playing catch-up, and I just want to say that I loved the fight between Roy and Mercy.

The rest of the episode is fine, too, although the frequent jump cutting was off-setting.

Okay, I think I've found a way to untangle the plotlines. Nightwing let half his team and a handful of kids get kidnapped by Aqualad, while letting the other half of the team foil that plan. While the Light wouldn't tolerate that kind of failure, there was a consolation prize in that: It helped the Reach get better public relations in the world while heightening Aqualad's relationship with them, if only slightly. With the Reach as their ally, the Earth, the Justice League, and the Light are now prepared to fight the true invasion: Apokolips.

Of course, this includes the theory that Impulse comes from an altenate dimension than a separate time.

If people like you and me can barely follow what's going on in this show, I wonder how kids would be holding up with this series.

The first episode not on iTunes and no one has anything to say about it?  Why? :wth:


It was good. I don't like that Despero was silent, but the fight he had with The Team was fun to watch. Mal stole the episode for me, when he was pretending he was Earth's greatest champion he sounded like a WWE wrestler.  :awesome: Until this point he's been a background character, but I'm now looking forward to seeing him as Guardian later.


The meeting with Tseng, the Ambassador and Captain Atom was really great.  Obviously, PR is not Atom's strong suit. But then again, he's a military guy and doesn't have the public speaking experience of Superman or Batman. I didn't know until this episode that The Watchtower was a secret. Considering that Earth is facing multiple alien threats and The Light have already breached the Tower's security, there is no possible good reason the Justice League kept this from the government that I can think of. That was well done.



I hope one of the B-plots in an upcoming episode will be the trial the League is undergoing, it would be a great chance for them to reveal whatever the next step of The Light's plan is.

I watched the episode. Before anything, I have to say that the really infrequent airing schedule of this show is really annoying since there's so many characters and so many events to keep track of that a few months in-between episodes really makes things confusing when I pick the series back up. There are so many sub-plots going on that its all really hard to keep track of, unless I took the time to re-watch the entire season from scratch up to this point each time new episodes are about to finally air again.

As for the episode itself, though, it was decent, and thankfully it focused on mostly on main plot-points so I was able to follow what was going on just fine this time (for the most part). Miss Martian being afraid of using her psychic powers against anyone after what she ended up misguidedly doing to Aqua Lad is understandable, but her dilemma was handled is a pretty predictable and uninteresting way, IMO. I did enjoy the general action of this episode, if nothing else, and as far as the plot goes, it'll be interesting to see how the Justice League will react to Blue Beetle revealing his secret about the apocalyptic future he's supposedly destined to cause that Impulse warned him about. Yeah, that's really about all I can think to complement the episode for, but to be honest I've kind of lowered by expectations for this show by quite a bit as on the whole, as you all know, I've found this 2nd season to be fairly underwhelming. It could still get better, though, but I'm not going to hold any special hopes up for that.

A great episode today. Lot of good tension with the possibility of Artemis' cover getting blown Black Manta. And I enjoyed the scene where Superboy chewed out Nightwing for not keeping him and Miss Martian in the loop. He was right not to let the new Team members know, but that was still a mistake. But, oh well Nightwing is not infallible and it's good that he isn't.


Miss Martian is still in their custody, so things are really going to heat up soon.

So apparently, Cartoon Network's Upfront information has gone around despite it not being until April. Since when has that happened?  ??? Anyway, neither Young Justice or Green Lantern are listed under returning shows so of course people are assuming that automatically means they're canceled. 

All I know about DC Nation is that Warner Brothers has 2 new animated series scheduled to air on the block: Beware the Batman and Teen Titans Go! These 2 shows will likely be replacing GL and YJ on the lineup (since I really doubt that Cartoon Network would expand the block to 2 hours). Whether this means that GL and YJ will be gone for good remains to be seen. I'm not assuming anything until I hear something from CN or WBA officially.

YJ is a Weisman show. It was pre-destined to only run for two years. The time jump in Invasion and frequent scheduling issues probably didn't do the show any favors, either.

Quote from: Avaitor on January 28, 2013, 02:33:16 PM
YJ is a Weisman show. It was pre-destined to only run for two years. The time jump in Invasion and frequent scheduling issues probably didn't do the show any favors, either.

The show did well in the ratings, it was the death of the toyline that did the show in.

Yeah, sadly I don't think it'd matter one bit if Cartoon Network didn't put it on hiatus as much. With the toy line canceled, the show is kaput. I guess it's because of the bigger budgets they require, that CN wants their action shows to have good selling merchandise to fall back on.

Well, I'd say its a shame, but to be honest I wasn't enjoying this season all too much so while I do think that its unfortunate for yet another Weisman show to get cut-off early, I'm also somewhat relieved that this may give him the opportunity to start up fresh with something new (even if its another comic-book-based series), being that YJ has been heading in a direction that'd be likely to lose my interest in future seasons if it continued on this way.

Either way, whenever it is that Weisman does ever get to his next show, it'd be great if he could do something original again, just like how Gargoyles was not based off of any existing comic book property, and IMO its still the best series that he's worked on by far.

Oh well, that's a shame. It was nice to finally see Connor, Bart, and Tim (the real one) animated, at least.

Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on January 28, 2013, 04:53:12 PMEither way, whenever it is that Weisman does ever get to his next show, it'd be great if he could do something original again, just like how Gargoyles was not based off of any existing comic book property, and IMO its still the best series that he's worked on by far.

This will probably not happen, unfortunately.

I'm still watching the rest of the episodes, here's hoping there's only a mild cliffhanger at worst at the end.

Yeah, might as well watch to the end.

I'm still not hyped on either Batman or Teen Titans yet, though.

Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on January 28, 2013, 04:53:12 PM
Well, I'd say its a shame, but to be honest I wasn't enjoying this season all too much so while I do think that its unfortunate for yet another Weisman show to get cut-off early, I'm also somewhat relieved that this may give him the opportunity to start up fresh with something new (even if its another comic-book-based series), being that YJ has been heading in a direction that'd be likely to lose my interest in future seasons if it continued on this way.

Same here. If this is truly it for YJ, that kinda sucks, but I won't feel that bad about it since I haven't been enjoying season 2 as much. I'm not big on time-skips in general, now there are just too many characters for me to care about and I have a hard time keeping track of or sustaining interest in the many, many plots and subplots going on. If a 3rd season would just be more of the same, I'd likely just lose interest altogether.

Quote from: Spark of SpiritI'm still not hyped on either Batman or Teen Titans yet, though.

Again, seconded. I've been subjected to too many Batman shows and movies these past few years, so I can't get excited about another Bat project. As for TTGO!, while I don't mind the prospect of a mostly comedic shorts-like show, I was never a huge fan of the TT cartoon, so I'm not looking forward to more of that, especially since the whole show is going to be done chibi-style; the anime aping stuff was one of the things that kind of turned me off about the show.

Anyone else watch the last two episodes?


Last episode the two twists were already predicted (Lex helping the "Runaways", Blue Beetle being brainwashed). But this week, things got unexpected quick with Blue Beetle blowing his cover early. I knew something was up when I realized the episode had 4 minutes left, but I didn't expect that!  :huh:


I really hope The Light's master plan is finally revealed soon. I don't buy that they got into bed with The Reach without knowing what they would do on Earth. All of this has been leading up to something, judging by the end of "War", we may see more things get added up.

Greg Weisman has written a novel, due out this December. I can't wait, it's bound to be a great book!   :thumbup: Who knows? Maybe he'd even get to direct and screenplay the movie for it too, if his book gets that big.  8)

I had a feeling Arsenal was going to join the Runaways. Glad there wasn't a twist at the end either. Just Deathstroke coming aboard the War World to get that crystal key.


With only three episodes left, anyone want to speculate on how everything ends?

Quote from: Peanutbutter on February 28, 2013, 03:45:03 PM
With only three episodes left, anyone want to speculate on how everything ends?

"To be continued in season 3"

Now, its no stranger that I have not been a fan of season this show's 2nd season, but I have to admit that the past few episodes have actually been rather well-paced, and do a good job of really just keeping the plot focused on the whole conspiracy involving the Reach. Meanwhile the sub-plots are handled sparingly and have actually been tied into the main plot really well, as far as the recent episodes go. That said, I do sense that we're probably going to get another pseudo-ending like we did for The Spectacular Spider-Man, as this series was clearly meant to have more than just 2 seasons, and I have a feeling that we're most likely only going to get a lame cliffhanger sort of ending with the season finale. I mean, The Light has still largely remained in the background this whole time and have barely even been mentioned in the past few episodes. We're either going to get a really abrupt and rushed reveal of their so-called "master-plan" or even nothing at all. Either way, I can't help but expect the ending of this season (and consequently this entire series) to be rather disappointing. But hey, its all the better if I'm somehow proven wrong.

Blue and Green Beetle are free. The Reach are all but crippled. Tomorrow's episode seems like its going to be centered around The Light (with Artemis and Aqualad of course). Hopefully, we find out just what their master plan really is and how The Reach fit into it. I'll be glad to Ra's back, I love Oded Feur's portrayal of him; sucks that's barely been in this season.

Its nice to see Blue Beetle back to normal again. In that regard, it made me realize that he was the only new character I really cared about this season, as he clearly got more characterization and development than any of the other new characters around. Seriously, I still know almost nothing about Wonder Girl or Beast Boy in this series, and the season is almost over.

That said, the main plot does finally have my interest in seeing what happens, and how this all ends. I've been pretty tired of The Light basically amounting to being those typical "all according to plan" sort of villains for the entire series, so it'll be nice to finally actually see what their master plan is for a change.

WOW! What a way to set up the finale...  :worship:


I enjoyed Black Manta's confrontation with Aqualad. GregX pointed out on his blog that the episode is set on Father's Day even. Both of them were really conflicted, but Kaldur managed to put his father down.

I really loved  the double fake out with "Deathstroke" killing Aqualad and Artemis, the surprised looks on The Light and The Reach's were priceless. And oh how relieved I was that Vandal and Ra's had no idea about their mole until the last second.


The battles in this episode were well choreographed. Three members of The Light are down, Vandal has control of the War World, and Black Beetle has usurped control of The Reach.


So many little threads woven together just for this, can't wait for the rest of the payoff next week. Always count on Weisman.  :thumbup:

I caught up and much enjoyed watching the episodes in a string to keep up. I really enjoyed the twists and turns, though I was disappointed about how quickly Arsenal vanished from the team when he really was the reason they survived. (Yes, he did blow the lock and that was his fault, but lets face it Blue Beetle is already way overpowered on this show- he would have won anyway)

I have most enjoyed the additions of Impulse and Blue Beetle (despite my power issue) to the cast this season. It really is a shame to have so many characters that were just not given the chance to be fleshed out.

On one hand the last two episodes are arguably the best of the season.

On the other hand... this is starting to feel so rushed, as if "THE MASTER OF PLOTTING"(TM) Weisman wasn't expecting the cut down episode order this season got.

Well it was originally 7 episodes or so (which really shows at the start of the season) and was pumped up to 20 sometime when production was already going. I really have no idea what CN's plan for this show was and haven't understood it since day one.

It's a shame because you just know the finale will probably only end with one of the bad guys going down (probably Black Beetle) while the other side leaves the scene to lick its wounds.

That's it!

Unfortunately I felt it was a bit rushed and that ending (Mr. Weisman please stop ending your second seasons like this) really should have been cut, but as a whole I guess it ends the Invasion season well enough. I'm probably going to have to watch it all the way through someday but as it stands now I felt it was okay but crammed a bit too much into too little time.

But I will thank the team for including Impulse, Superboy, Tim Drake's Robin (even if he was massively underused), and various other heroes to the animated world. Though I can't help but wonder if they would have focused on a smaller team it would have gone off as well as season 1, but I do appreciate them not sticking to the obvious characters and gave characters beyond Dick Grayson's era a chance to shine.

So any last thoughts from you guys?

It was an okay finale. Wrapped things up nicely, showed how far the team and these characters have come. Solid stuff. The Darkseid ending was too much of a tease for my tastes, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't get a kick out of it.  :D

Personally, I didn't like how Kid Flash "died" without much build up in the last few episodes. It just came off as forced to me. Blue Beetle had a great moment when he took down Black Beetle, and the Rimbor Trial was fun, but overall it felt like somewhat of an underwhelming finale. Or maybe just a whelming finale.  :sly:

I liked the Green Lantern: The Animated Series finale better myself. It had better build up, felt a little more natural, and ended the series on a high note. I'll miss both these shows though. Both were great. I really hope Teen Titans Go! and Beware the Batman aren't awful replacements, but I'm not exactly filled with much confidence...

I should re-watch this show from the beginning sometime. Hopefully it will come to Netflix soon.

It was an incredibly rushed finale....which is pretty much exactly what I was expecting. For what its worth, I still enjoyed the episode, but I'm going to have to agree that the cliffhanger ending was such a damn tease (just like with The Spectacular Spider-Man). I'm aware that originally there were more seasons planned for this series, but after finding out that the series would be canceled with season 2, Greg Weisman really should have just cut out that last scene, as it serves no purpose other than to build things up for a 3rd season which we will never get.

Also, I have to agree with Cartoon X about Kid Flash's death. That character was so underutilized this series that his death really had no impact to it, especially since there was no build-up to him making a big sacrifice or anything of the sort. It kind of just happened, and as the big dramatic moment of the episode, I have to be honest and say that I wasn't really buying the drama.

Overall, I think that this series was OK. Season 1 was solid, but I didn't absolutely love it, either. As for season 2, I personally didn't care for it, on the whole, though it did have a few pretty solid episodes in the mix. To me, this is easily a far weaker series than Gargoyles and The Spectacular Spider-Man, but its still an above average cartoon in its own right.

I have to agree that the Young Justice finale did feel a tad rushed. It was clear that Greg Weisman included the Darksied teaser with the hopes that Cartoon Network (or possibly some other network) just might order a 3rd season of the show. Likewise with Tim x Cassie; that just came from out of nowhere and with zero build-up, it was impossible for me to have any feelings about it.

Regarding Wally's heroic sacrifice: It happened too late in the episode for it to make a real impact. I'm guessing that the writers must have felt that Wally had become a redundant character now that Bart and Barry were around. YJ didn't need 3 super speedsters, and so the writers chose to get rid of 1. However, I personally don't believe that Wally actually died just then. We just saw Wally howl in pain and then kind of disappear. I've watched enough TV to know that no body = no death. We never saw Wally's lifeless corpse, so I'm going to assume that he may still be alive and merely trapped between dimensions or something similar. After all, this wouldn't be the 1st "death fake-out" that was seen on YJ.

I'm guessing that would have been a plot akin to Flashpoint or what happened to Barry Allen when he came back to the main DCU. Alas, such is the fate of unfinished plots.

Yeah, if we had a 3rd season, I'm 100% positive that it would have been revealed that Wally is alive but in the future or some other dimension or some sci-fi crap like that.

Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on March 17, 2013, 01:50:35 PM
Yeah, if we had a 3rd season, I'm 100% positive that it would have been revealed that Wally is alive but in the future or some other dimension or some sci-fi crap like that.

Not really his style, death is permanent in Weisman shows, and he has gone on record many times over the years that he hates killing characters only to resurrect them later. Which is why he revealed a still living Norman Osborn at the end of Spec Spidey and not in season four when the character would have returned. Wally West is dead.

Fair enough, but I may have been mislead to think that by how many characters had fake-out deaths in this series. That said, while I wasn't a fan of the way that Wally was killed off, if a 3rd season ever were made, I myself would much prefer that he stayed dead rather than having him come back in a total cop out, as I'm not a fan of character resurrections, either.

I rather would have expected Barry to die and Wally become the next Flash, but I guess he gets points for not doing the obvious thing. It was still pretty out of left field, though.

As much as I was dissatisfied by the second season, I still feel that the show got a bum deal by the execs. And more likely than not, the third season could've been an improvement.

(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flive.comicbookresources.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F03%2Fsienna_yj_letter-573x800.jpg&hash=519276223f799288887e8c2055fe89b1067ecc50)

Also, this girl knows the score.

Eh, I think I'm over the cancellations of these shows now. Yeah, it sucks that they're over now, and no doubt Cartoon Network played a part in their premature demise by not promoting and supporting them they way they probably could have or should have, but at the same time, I liked Green Lantern: TAS but I wasn't in love with it, and the Young Justice show that I really liked ended at season 1. I'll just find something else to watch.

I really feel sorry for action fans, though; aside from Ben 10 on CN,  Legend of Korra and TMNT on Nickelodeon and Transformers Prime on The Hub, action in general is having a hard time thriving right now. I think some of the problem stems from how continuity-heavy so many action toons are. Perhaps initiating stand-alone stories are part of the solution: a lot of the current action toons employ ongoing story arcs, which network execs tend to frown upon since they have to be shown in a specific order for continuity and serial shows tend not to do well in reruns; suits prefer comedy cartoons right now since they typically do self-contained stories and can be run and rerun in no particular order, and fans can start watching them at any point and not be lost. Both the Batman and Superman animated series proved that stand-alone plots can be done on an action cartoon and still be entertaining. Just a thought.

Yeah. I mean, I really enjoyed Green Lantern: TAS, but it never went beyond just being a good show, and Young Justice peaked too soon. I'd stick around if they were renewed, but what's done is done.

And it does seem like action shows get the short end of the stick nowadays, but kids really do seem to prefer comedy. Even the more episodic shows just don't do as well as SpongeBob, Adventure Time or Phineas & Ferb.

Neither shows were great, IMO (including season 1 of YJ), but they were still both of a considerably high level of quality, and I feel that had they both continued, they would have had the opportunity for vast improvement. With Young Justice, I feel that Weisman just needed to get the pacing of the series back on track, and not extend the focus to too many characters, but rather keep it's attention on a core few heroes and villains, with other characters being prominent in the background, but never completely shifting the spotlight of attention every few minutes. On the other hand, Green Lantern could have gone more into the psychological dilemmas of other characters besides just Razor, and the way that series was set up, we still had plenty of room for a bunch of great stories that could have been told.

I'm not exactly torn up by the premature cancellation of either of these series in the same way that I was about something like The Spectacular Spider-Man, but overall I still feel that there are other shows that CN could have given the cut in their place, as these are still probably 2 of the better series that the channel had in its line-up, IMO.

Quote from: Silverstar on March 22, 2013, 02:31:42 PM
Eh, I think I'm over the cancellations of these shows now. Yeah, it sucks that they're over now, and no doubt Cartoon Network played a part in their premature demise by not promoting and supporting them they way they probably could have or should have, but at the same time, I liked Green Lantern: TAS but I wasn't in love with it, and the Young Justice show that I really liked ended at season 1. I'll just find something else to watch.

I really feel sorry for action fans, though; aside from Ben 10 on CN,  Legend of Korra and TMNT on Nickelodeon and Transformers Prime on The Hub, action in general is having a hard time thriving right now. I think some of the problem stems from how continuity-heavy so many action toons are. Perhaps initiating stand-alone stories are part of the solution: a lot of the current action toons employ ongoing story arcs, which network execs tend to frown upon since they have to be shown in a specific order for continuity and serial shows tend not to do well in reruns; suits prefer comedy cartoons right now since they typically do self-contained stories and can be run and rerun in no particular order, and fans can start watching them at any point and not be lost. Both the Batman and Superman animated series proved that stand-alone plots can be done on an action cartoon and still be entertaining. Just a thought.

My favorite type of show has always been something like Batman: TAS or Gravity Falls, were its primarily episodic but there's still some sense of continuity.

It does seem the action shows today are either episodic and toy-driven (Ben 10,TMNT) or related to another successful series (Korra, which unfortunately didn't have the best writing). These types of shows aren't inherently bad, but it does make it harder for a lot of action shows to succeed.  Action cartoons seem to go in and out of fashion, so I guess we're just in one of those "out" times.

So, season 3... (http://www.smgo.tv/shows/yj-lets-prove-them-wrong)

$10,000,000?

Good luck with that.  :>

Quote from: Cartoon X on May 08, 2013, 10:29:16 PM$10,000,000?

Good luck with that.  :>

Unless you'd like it to be a cheap-ass Flash cartoon, I'd say that's a good estimate.

I believe in quality too, Daikun. But it's going to take a lot of fans contributing their money to reach freaking $ 10,000,000, and I'm not sure enough fans will donate enough money to reach that goal. Time is an issue too. There's only 87 days left. Even if every YJ fan on the planet manages to contribute, I'm not sure if the goal will be reached. It's not likely to happen, sorry to say.

Has any Kickstarter even reached half of 10 million yet?

Quote from: Foggle on May 08, 2013, 11:30:20 PMHas any Kickstarter even reached half of 10 million yet?

Yes. (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018/pebble-e-paper-watch-for-iphone-and-android?ref=most-funded)

Quote from: Daikun on May 09, 2013, 12:12:31 AM
Yes. (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018/pebble-e-paper-watch-for-iphone-and-android?ref=most-funded)

Sweet baby Jesus. And here I thought Torment 2 was the highest grossing Kickstarter so far...

Still, though, I can't see Young Justice's fanbase pulling together that much scratch.

Will anything really happen if it does reach that high? They're thankfully not charging anyone who donates unless Warner Bros. change their minds, but why would this convince them to renew it? If they said no before, that means they don't think the show is profitable at all. Even if this reaches the deadline, everything grinds to a halt if they say no again.

Yeah, I don't see Warner changing their mind on renewing the show even if it goes that far. At best, they'd consider a DTV or two, which fans really should aim for instead.

I have it on good authority that somebody who would really, really, really like to see WB renew YJ thinks the people at SMGO are morons who don't know what the fuck they're doing. ;)

Quote from: GregX on May 11, 2013, 05:18:37 PM
I have it on good authority that somebody who would really, really, really like to see WB renew YJ thinks the people at SMGO are morons who don't know what the fuck they're doing. ;)

Is that person you? Eitherway, I'm finding the SMGO system to be rather hackneyed as well.

Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on May 11, 2013, 06:34:20 PM

Quote from: GregX on May 11, 2013, 05:18:37 PM
I have it on good authority that somebody who would really, really, really like to see WB renew YJ thinks the people at SMGO are morons who don't know what the fuck they're doing. ;)

Is that person you? Eitherway, I'm finding the SMGO system to be rather hackneyed as well.

No. But I also think they're idiots.

Yeah, that they're still putting up a donation fund despite Warner Bros. telling them no gives that away. I'd love it if Young Justice could get uncanceled. That will only happen if sales are through the roof for the DVDs and the video game that's not even coming out until this Fall.

So this happens in the new Scooby-Doo movie.

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/18fbefcfa90651e08d843908d602386d/tumblr_n2bzcgehGH1rtailho1_500.gif)

I don't even care for the show much anymore, but I think that's a cool cameo.

So thanks to the idiots who wrote this article:

http://www.idigitaltimes.com/articles/23776/20140710/young-justice-returns-warner-bros-announce-season-3-cancelled-canceled.htm



.....there are false rumors galore on Tumblr and everywhere else about YJ getting renewed. Lovely that they failed to point out that WAC stands for Warner Achive Collection, meaning that its their video release personnel making this announcement. It's likely just the Blu-Ray release dates being revealed. It would be great though if the Blu-Rays ended up selling out, because that would at least increase the possibility of it coming back. But it's just a pipe dream now.    :frown:

Tell me about it. I've been debunking this right and left. At best, it's irresponsible reporting, at worst it's douchetastic click bait.

I found an animator's insight into YJ. Very thought provoking.

Spoiler

I work on a show that everyone hates except the 6-11 demographic that it does really well with. Which means that all the shit I read about it on tumblr and twitter is actually just a vocal minority who isn't even in the intended demo because they must be 16-22 years of age. And even better. It's always good news to hear that the show I work on does well internationally. Which means kids in the 6-11 love it all over the world. So maybe I might be making some kid in Europe or India etc smile and laugh. And that sure as hell is more important than some jaded 19 year old millennial stoner with social anxiety who hides behind a computer or mobile device all day and night and complains about how their life sucks because a corporate kids (kids! Kids!)network isn't delivering the type of content they want to see.

Which reminds me of the time I bumped into this older dood in his late 30's. We got to talking and he found out I worked on uncle grandpa. Then he told me he thought the show was lame. then he asked me why they had to cancel young justice. And I just told him ratings.

But more importantly in the back of my head I thought about how absurd it was that a grown adult male was watching shit made for 11 year olds. And that these fanboy motherfuckers need to grow the fuck up. As if young justice has more substance than a slice of pizza with shades. It's all the same shit. Fucking teenagers dressing up in costumes taking the law into their own hands and fighting a one dimensional good vs. Bad fight.

Shit mang. I write shit in my eps with more depth and satire but people are too confused by slapstick and surrealism (because cartoons should be just like real life!!!) to pick up on it.

In summary. People are idiots.

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Quote from: GregX on July 12, 2014, 09:47:46 AM
Tell me about it. I've been debunking this right and left. At best, it's irresponsible reporting, at worst it's douchetastic click bait.

AND THEY'RE STILL GOING ON ABOUT IT EVEN NOW!!!!  :burn: :burn: :burn: :burn:

Quote from: The Shadow Gentleman on February 22, 2015, 09:41:47 PM
I found an animator's insight into YJ. Very thought provoking.

Spoiler

I work on a show that everyone hates except the 6-11 demographic that it does really well with. Which means that all the shit I read about it on tumblr and twitter is actually just a vocal minority who isn't even in the intended demo because they must be 16-22 years of age. And even better. It's always good news to hear that the show I work on does well internationally. Which means kids in the 6-11 love it all over the world. So maybe I might be making some kid in Europe or India etc smile and laugh. And that sure as hell is more important than some jaded 19 year old millennial stoner with social anxiety who hides behind a computer or mobile device all day and night and complains about how their life sucks because a corporate kids (kids! Kids!)network isn't delivering the type of content they want to see.

Which reminds me of the time I bumped into this older dood in his late 30's. We got to talking and he found out I worked on uncle grandpa. Then he told me he thought the show was lame. then he asked me why they had to cancel young justice. And I just told him ratings.

But more importantly in the back of my head I thought about how absurd it was that a grown adult male was watching shit made for 11 year olds. And that these fanboy motherfuckers need to grow the fuck up. As if young justice has more substance than a slice of pizza with shades. It's all the same shit. Fucking teenagers dressing up in costumes taking the law into their own hands and fighting a one dimensional good vs. Bad fight.

Shit mang. I write shit in my eps with more depth and satire but people are too confused by slapstick and surrealism (because cartoons should be just like real life!!!) to pick up on it.

In summary. People are idiots.

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This is just about every conversation I've ever had on Toon Zone.

Quote from: Silverstar on February 23, 2015, 07:47:23 AM

Quote from: The Shadow Gentleman on February 22, 2015, 09:41:47 PM
I found an animator's insight into YJ. Very thought provoking.

Spoiler

I work on a show that everyone hates except the 6-11 demographic that it does really well with. Which means that all the shit I read about it on tumblr and twitter is actually just a vocal minority who isn't even in the intended demo because they must be 16-22 years of age. And even better. It's always good news to hear that the show I work on does well internationally. Which means kids in the 6-11 love it all over the world. So maybe I might be making some kid in Europe or India etc smile and laugh. And that sure as hell is more important than some jaded 19 year old millennial stoner with social anxiety who hides behind a computer or mobile device all day and night and complains about how their life sucks because a corporate kids (kids! Kids!)network isn't delivering the type of content they want to see.

Which reminds me of the time I bumped into this older dood in his late 30's. We got to talking and he found out I worked on uncle grandpa. Then he told me he thought the show was lame. then he asked me why they had to cancel young justice. And I just told him ratings.

But more importantly in the back of my head I thought about how absurd it was that a grown adult male was watching shit made for 11 year olds. And that these fanboy motherfuckers need to grow the fuck up. As if young justice has more substance than a slice of pizza with shades. It's all the same shit. Fucking teenagers dressing up in costumes taking the law into their own hands and fighting a one dimensional good vs. Bad fight.

Shit mang. I write shit in my eps with more depth and satire but people are too confused by slapstick and surrealism (because cartoons should be just like real life!!!) to pick up on it.

In summary. People are idiots.

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This is just about every conversation I've ever had on Toon Zone.

This is pure animation age ghetto. I'm glad I'm no longer a part of ToonZone.

After two years, Young Justice is FINALLY on Netflix in its entirety with its second season! You know what that means? Tell 'em Megan!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBQcLBzbiq0

 :swoon: :swoon: :swoon: :swoon: :swoon: :swoon:!!!!!!!!! YAH-TAH!!!! I thought you'd be up in here with great news like that. Should I watch the first season again?  :thinkin: Probably will!

Watching from the first season this weekend. A minor but mind-blowing detail about the show, apparently Peter McNichol not only played Professor Ivo, but also Amazo! I had honestly though Dee Bradley Baker did the android.

Forgot to say a few days ago, but Weisman said there's a good chance for the show coming back if it does very well on Netflix! If enough people binge watch YJ and pick up the Blu-Rays and buy off of iTunes there's at least some hope.

 :SHOCK: I'll be sure to actually get around to that.

So if you've been looking around the Web about YJ, you might have heard rumors about Netflix checking the views for it, and possibly looking into doing a season of the show with WB. Probably just typical zealous fan dreams, right? Well, you'd actually be wrong because someone actually contacted their Customer Service and the lady on the other line CONFIRMED IT. ::O


https://imgur.com/z8WkYdQ

YJ being renewed on Netflix would be better for me since I have no cable. :drool:

Season 3 is being made. (http://deadline.com/2016/11/young-justice-warner-bros-animation-productions-season-3-1201850391/)

I . . . can't believe it. A Greg Weisman show has been given a third season.

Rebels got a third season.

But this isn't the Weisman show that I wanted to see a new season of.

I don't think Witch will be getting a third season any time soon.

A third season of this show can only help it. The problem with the first two seasons was in the pacing and scope. If they can focus on a smaller cast and a more manageable story then it will probably work out fine. I would hope they learn from their mistakes and focus on what people liked (action, humor, and character development) as opposed to what didn't.

WOOOOHOOOO!!!


GregX, if you're out there and you see this, do a new blog post STAT!!

I am pretty excited. Hopefully it'll be at least as good as season 1.

Greg had said if the show ever got another season that it would have another time skip. Hope its not a big one, because I can't see any good reason for him or Brandon do another one five or so years ahead. I liked Season Two, but it was more flawed than the first one and a large part of that was because the cast expanded too much and too quick. A big time skip would just create more story problems.



Hopefully he was trolling and the real time is only a year or a few months ahead.

I mean, if it's another big time jump, then Young Justice really wouldn't be a fair title.

tbh, I really just want less Blue Beetle. I really did not care for his story arc in season 2.

Blue Beetle was way better in TB&TB. I didn't really enjoy him at all in YJ.

I want to see them focus on a core cast this season like they did in the original and work from there. It's also their chance to actually use the original YJ line up. Tim Drake Robin (Do not time skip to Damien PLEASE), Connor Kent Superboy, and Bart Allen Impulse, are all in the show already and can easily form the backbone of any team they use.

What they need to not do is go wild with more characters in less episodes like Invasion. That was a bad move. I really don't want to see another time skip like the one from 1 to 2 to introduce ANOTHER new cast of characters. Work with what you already have first.

Well, this is a good enough excuse for me to re-watch the first two seasons.

It'll be great to finally have a proper conclusion to this series! Hopefully they'll stick with wrapping up the loose ends and don't get too ambitious.

I want Static to actually do something this time. I was super excited about Deathstroke and Static and they both ended up being underwhelming.

It might help that there won't be a comic book to sell this time which means everything will have to be done in show. So no more introducing things, not doing anything with them, then telling everyone to read the comics if they want to know what certain characters are doing. I'm hoping that at least helps a bit.

That only depends on if DC decides not to do a comic tie-in. They may not, but I wouldn't assume just yet that they won't.

I'm bringing this thread back to life (if that's OK), to bring you some sad news:

Miguel Ferrer, the voice of Vandal Savage (and many other roles) passed away a few days ago (http://www.digitaltrends.com/movies/ncis-los-angeles-crossing-jordan-star-miguel-ferrer-dies-61/).

I didn't know he was the voice of Vandal Savage as well. Rest in peace, Miguel Ferrer.

One concern I have about the third season is since Darkseid's probably the main villain, we're gonna get New Gods. But which ones? Because I didn't like the episode with the Forever People. I thought they were annoying in the original comics, and Weisman didn't do anything to make them more interesting here (on the other hand, portraying Desaad as if he was a legitimate threat was funny). YJ always had a habit of introducing popular characters like Batgirl, Black Adam, Joker, etc, and then setting them aside for a less popular character like Blue Beetle and the Reach to take center stage. And that formula hasn't worked well for me, because it just seems to highlight why those characters are less popular instead of trying to renovate and make them as dynamic as a lead character deserves. It did work for Cheshire and Artemis, but that was more of an exception compared to the tens of episodes and subplots focused on characters I found either boring or unlikable.

I don't have the hangups Insomniac has to say the least. But I am a bit concerned about the amount of characters we've had in both seasons that led to only a handful getting any real meaningful development. With likely new characters on the way, I am a bit more apprehensive. I still don't understand how or why Greg and Brandon want to do ANOTHER time skip. I get it, they did that in the second season because they wanted to get Robin into Nightwing and be able to do characters right away that they didn't have in the first season. Also I imagine it was to make the show seem at least slightly realistic because of how long the outer planets' aliens enacted their investigation into Earth and the invasions of various aliens would naturally take at least that much an amount of time from the distance between Earth and other galaxies through lightyears.


But next season is likely Darkseid and his invasion of Earth with The Light right behind him. That isn't the type of thing that should really have anything skipped over. I have faith in Greg because the last season was still good overall despite the smaller number of episodes. I just really hope its a more miniscule amount of time in comparison.

Season 3 won't be on Netflix after all.
DC is starting their own streaming service, and the show will be on that instead.
http://deadline.com/2017/04/dc-digital-service-titans-young-justice-outsiders-1202076831

Oh great, I won't be able to see it legally. Smart move, that.

Streaming services everywhere! Guess I'll be passing on YJ Season 3. Which doesn't bother me much. I like it, but don't love it.

So, now that there's Boomerang and this, CN may be done with WB/DC stuff. Not that they treat most of them well anyway.

I'll wait for the DVD...assuming they'll release it on that. Sucks that Twitter wil spoil the shit out of it though.

Oh no, another Star Trek Discovery.

Eh, Can't say that I'll be going out of my way to subscribe to it. Young Justice is a decent show, but I don't care for it nearly enough to fork over a fee just to watch it on an exclusive service.

Jeez, Greg Weisman finally gets a third season to one of his shows only for WB/Time Warner to pull this. This is a BAD idea. The show was saved by Netflix, people will watch it on Netflix. I love YJ, but my family is broke every other week. They're not going to want to shell out another $20 or so bucks just for me to watch one show. They don't even have enough content to run their own streaming service. Its really stupid they can't put it on Netflix just because they won't to spilt any money.

Weisman's latest update on the status of season 3. (https://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=22576)

Voice recording is finished. (https://twitter.com/Greg_Weisman/status/994639837922709505)
1/13 of the animation is finalized. (https://twitter.com/Greg_Weisman/status/994642883129954304)

Wow, surprised they're that far along.

Quote from: Peanutbutter on May 12, 2018, 09:24:13 PMWow, surprised they're that far along.

They've been working on it for a year and a half.

EDIT: DC has set up an update page (https://www.dccomics.com/dcuniverse) for their upcoming streaming service. Enter your Email address at the bottom of the page to get info on the launch date.

DC Universe could be launching in August. (https://screenrant.com/dc-universe-digital-service-launch-date-august)

DC Universe trailer. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSm8wq0YIuc) Looks like a pretty sweet app.

Also, YJ has been delayed until 2019. (https://twitter.com/Greg_Weisman/status/1012401353723764736)

Knew it.

Season 3 premieres January 4. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXnWaCKXyUY)

I'll have to wait until it goes up on iTunes to support it. Not going to pay an extra $20 bucks or so when I don't think DC's Netflix ripoff will last past a year, two tops.

The first 3 episodes of season 3 are up now.

Will they be up on iTunes?

I liked Halo's introduction and her interactions with Artemis, but couldn't care less about Brion's plight. Also weird that metahuman child trafficking is known by the public, yet aside from the Markovs (who die soon after), the only pushback against it is Beast Boy plugging his cause on a Hollywood insider interview.

And I always thought the idea of Lex holding any political position like President or Secretary General to be stupid. I know, corrupt people becomes leading politicians all the time in the real world, and he did take credit for stopping the Reach last season, but when the Justice League don't like Lex, I think that should sway some opinions.

Caught up with Young Justice, and I don't get this scene.

(https://i.imgur.com/lCCQi1Q.png)

I've been hearing even from Young Justice fans that Outsiders is pretty disappointing, ranging in quality from a messy mixed bag to an outright dumpster fire in parts. I really haven't seen anyone all that positive about this show.

Guess this wasn't the hit that DC Universe was hoping for. Honestly, though, I've lost a lot of faith in DC's animation department in general.

Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on July 17, 2019, 05:37:00 PM
Guess this wasn't the hit that DC Universe was hoping for.

I've heard reports the show is getting quite a lot of views, actually. 7th most watched show on streaming services. (https://www.businessinsider.com/top-netflix-streaming-shows-this-week-stranger-things-young-justice-2019-7#7-young-justice-outsiders-dc-universe-3)

You are right about the critical reactions though. I've been seeing more dissent regarding the writing. Whether it be the portrayal of Halo or the forced romance plots. And out of the 18 episodes so far, I can only recall two I've really liked. Everything else was either boring or irritating. And all the defenses that it's a show about the entire DC Universe instead of just the kids, or that Weisman is against writing endings and prefers to keep things open-ended don't satisfy those issues at all. If anything, they're making me re-evaluate his previous work, and for the worse.

Season 4 greenlit. (https://www.comicsbeat.com/sdcc-19-greg-weisman-brandon-vietti-wage-social-media-war-in-young-justice-outsiders)

Glad to hear it's been renewed. Unlike what others have said, I think most of this season has been good especially now that Beast Boy has formed up the Outsiders officially. First quarter was the hunt for Terra, this one was setting up the Outsiders, and presumably the rest is the Judas Contract.

I took up VRV's offer for a free month of DC Nation, and I've been watching the show from there, and I have to agree with the majority that this season isn't very good. I think my big problem besides the show's constant overstuff of characters is that the few they try to focus on are never that likable. I couldn't stand their take on Blue Beetle in season 2 (at least he doesn't say ese in every other line when he appears now, at least), but I have no love for Halo or Beast Boy, while the original members are becoming increasingly less interesting.

I'd be more curious to see the show's rake on Judas Contract if I actually liked that story or the characters involved. Then I remember that I don't even like Titans, so I wonder if this show is for me.

Quote from: Avaitor on July 25, 2019, 03:45:12 PMI think my big problem besides the show's constant overstuff of characters is that the few they try to focus on are never that likable. I couldn't stand their take on Blue Beetle in season 2 (at least he doesn't say ese in every other line when he appears now, at least), but I have no love for Halo or Beast Boy, while the original members are becoming increasingly less interesting.

Yeah, all the new characters this season have been so underwhelming. I'm glad Brion isn't angry and yelling at everybody about finding his sister anymore, but now he doesn't have anything left to his character. And I just don't like his relationship with Halo. It's a retread of Kon and M'gann's relationship problems back in season 1, but more irritating because you know there are other characters in the show who could use the screentime these two take over. The last episode had a heartfelt moment between Bart and Jay, but I can't remember when they last spoke to each other so it doesn't mean anything to me. Same thing with the Batman Inc stuff and Scandal Savage. So much interesting shit is happening in the background, but it's ignored in favor of the more boring characters. I don't need more scenes of Halo dying to prove she has a healing factor, Terra texting to Slade and playing mole, or Beast Boy pretending to be a team leader. The show has so many subplots going on, but they're all waiting in one line. At least with season 1, I could pretend it was going through growing pains like Justice League's first season, but we're on season 3 and we still have the same problems.

QuoteI'd be more curious to see the show's rake on Judas Contract if I actually liked that story or the characters involved. Then I remember that I don't even like Titans, so I wonder if this show is for me.

I heard a rumor that the season finale will involve Trigon because it's called "Nevermore" and Halo will fill in Raven's role. It sounds completely stupid, but it's also something I would expect from the show.

And even if it weren't the case, I really don't want more Judas Contract. It ranks up there alongside Dark Phoenix and the Death of Superman in stories I'm tired of seeing adaptations of.

Quote from: Avaitor on July 25, 2019, 03:45:12 PMI took up VRV's offer for a free month of DC Nation, and I've been watching the show from there

Wait, what? I don't see DC stuff on VRV.
How did you get that?

Quote from: Daikun on July 25, 2019, 05:37:49 PM

Quote from: Avaitor on July 25, 2019, 03:45:12 PMI took up VRV's offer for a free month of DC Nation, and I've been watching the show from there

Wait, what? I don't see DC stuff on VRV.
How did you get that?

They sent an email back in June offering a code for a free month of DC Nation. The offer expired at the end of the month, but I set mine up just before the deadline, which is why it's still active.

Oh, okay. I must've missed that.

I wasn't expecting a very special episode discussing the horrors of child abuse, complete with a hotline at the end. It's not like the Harper Row parts of the plot were particularly heartfelt or moving. I don't care about her enough to feel bad about her family situation. If anything, I got bored and wanted the episode to focus on something besides her. She hasn't been an interesting addition to the show, and not a particularly innovative take on a comic character I already didn't care for.

Here are my thoughts on the new season. (http://animationrevelation.com/readables/?p=7086)