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Title: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on February 17, 2011, 08:51:17 PM
Teenagers covering the song Crocodile Rock who couldn't possibly understand what it's about and not even playing it in the original genre of music (thereby ruining the point of the song), all in order to promote a product that has nothing whatsoever to do with the song.

The music industry doesn't even know what it's doing anymore..
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Commode on February 18, 2011, 08:03:13 AM
Wait, who covered Crocodile Rock?
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Angus on February 18, 2011, 11:10:07 PM
How about a 7 year old singing Bad Romance?
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Post by: Dr. Insomniac on February 18, 2011, 11:11:57 PM
What about spinning it the other way? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkDbTEemErA)
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Angus on February 18, 2011, 11:41:38 PM
That's almost Barry White :humhumhum:
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on February 19, 2011, 12:04:16 AM
This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXyT9tlQ9Pc)

Ugh, even worse. It's Nelly Furtado.

God, I hate the Canadian music industry so much.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on February 19, 2011, 08:51:54 PM
Heh, reading the OP reminded me of one of the songs in Camp Rock 2 where the Jo Bros did a 50's rock n' roll number where they named dropped Springsteen and Roth for no reason and started going on about their fashion choices and shit. This was one of the ones without Demi, so needless to say it was one of the worse songs in the movie.

This is just as bad.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on February 19, 2011, 08:58:52 PM
It's just so dishonest to me.

Especially considering what the original song is about, which in many ways is about how much mainstream music has slid.

Ironic.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Angus on February 24, 2011, 03:20:54 PM
Auto-tuner bothers me, although it always reminds me of that boy band episode from the Simpsons.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on February 27, 2011, 05:32:40 PM
I hate auto-tune. Every voice sounds the same now.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on February 27, 2011, 05:40:46 PM
I don't mind auto tune when it's used lightly to fix a singer's pitch.

Idiots like Katy Perry who use it as an art form run it though.

Actually, Katy Perry ruins everything in general. I'm so fucking sick of hearing "Firework" everywhere.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Commode on March 14, 2011, 02:28:52 PM
I really fucking hate Katy Perry's song "Firework", even more so than her other music, because whenever I do hear it, it ends up stuck in my head for the rest of the day.  Earlier, I was at the store with a buddy and the song came on over the intercom, and by the time we had moseyed our way over to the checkout, I was singing the damn song, with my friend sitting their giving me an incredulous look.

Fucking hell.


Heh, didn't even notice that dla had already bitched about the song in the post above me.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Rynnec on September 07, 2011, 02:21:29 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DR0GP2MW5M&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DR0GP2MW5M&feature=related)

Why? Just...why?
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Kiddington on September 07, 2011, 02:38:20 AM
She's a bitch, that's why.

Ugh.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Katie Holt on October 15, 2011, 07:47:36 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on February 27, 2011, 05:40:46 PM
I don't mind auto tune when it's used lightly to fix a singer's pitch.

Idiots like Katy Perry who use it as an art form run it though.

Disagree.

Daft Punk uses it as an artform and they're damn good at it.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on October 15, 2011, 07:52:14 PM
Honestly, I hate Daft Punk.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Commode on October 16, 2011, 07:13:20 PM
Yeah, not really big on them either.  They are another one of those things where I wonder why they have such a huge cult following.

Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Kiddington on February 16, 2012, 12:37:24 AM
Anyone remember Fall Out Boy?

Well, apparently, they now qualify as being old enough for 80's/90's variety stations (or at least the ones here, anyway). I actually heard one of their songs on the way home today; not even sure which one exactly (it was some shit about a gun and a cock or something, I don't know) but I was quite floored, to say the least. I guess the one redeeming factor was that it wasn't playing on a pure classic rock station, but still, this is just as bad.

I really need to get the cigarette lighter in my car fixed. I miss having my iPod; radio in this town just doesn't cut it whatsoever.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on February 16, 2012, 01:31:34 PM
Ugh. Well, we did get Audioslave and Three Days Grace on our "classic" rock station before it got bought out by a news station in Miami, so that isn't too surprising.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on February 16, 2012, 04:29:18 PM
I call bull. 90s music had only just begun playing on oldies stations in the last few years.

Not fair, man. This crap needs another ten years first. That would be fair.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Commode on February 16, 2012, 05:24:56 PM
We had one of those variety stations back home, Mix 106, which was advertised as "The best from the 80s, 90s, and Now!", so when they played "Sugar, We're Goin' Down" or "Thnks Fr Th Mmrs" it wasn't out of place.

But yeah, Three Days Grace and Audioslave are a bit out of place on a classic rock station.  I think the most recent songs I've ever heard on a classic rock station were some Creed songs(fuck if I could name a Creed song), and that "Blue on Black" song by Kenny Wayne Shepard(which I hate immensely, btw).
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Commode on February 16, 2012, 06:09:33 PM
And I still hate Katy Perry.  Only now it's not "Firework" that's been stuck in my head, it's that newer "E.T." song.

And Nicki Minaj, specifically her bit in this song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn1VGytzXus&ob=av2e).  It's not like I go out of my way to hear these pop songs, but I still do hear them, and now they won't vacate my brain.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on February 16, 2012, 08:13:59 PM
I actually really like "Super Bass" and "Massive Attack". But Nicki can get very annoying, yes.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on February 25, 2012, 03:05:07 PM
So as I wrote in the Life thread, I wrote a letter to the editor of our local paper here about how much I think current popular music is suffering.

This was brought on how the writer was praising a local terrible metal-core band (who plays on the local TV station... so I know they're awful) and then questioned why Brian Wilson was considered a genius while mentioning an upcoming Beach Boys show in nearby Montreal.

I've been getting really aggravated of the recent disrespect I have seen from people over their traditional roots and disrespect for older things in current society from people who don't even seem to realize that there's a piece "missing" in the current world of art. Why is that piece gone? IT'S BECAUSE OF THIS COMPLETELY IRRATIONAL HATRED AND REJECTION OF TRADITIONALIST CULTURE THAT I JUST MENTIONED. Everyone nowadays thinks they know better. Your average twentysomething thinks they know more than their elders, and this growing sense of disrespect of the older generation is causing our forms of art and culture to suffer. I don't know where this arrogant attitude originated from, but I'm fed up with it.

You know why your band sucks? Because you've never listened to a song by Chuck Berry or Ray Davies in your life. You don't know who Robert Johnson is. The concept of a wind instrument in your music is completely foreign to you. You sing about shallow co-dependency. You have no idea what the music means because you don't listen to its source, so how can you make music that means anything?

Believe it or not, people made music before "Kill 'Em All", and for the overwhelming majority it was way better than that album was.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Foggle on February 25, 2012, 04:01:49 PM
I feel you. I detest when people talk about how rockabilly and jazz are trash but then go on to praise grunge and heavy metal. Never mind the people who hate on Parliament but love RATM and RHCP... ugh...
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on March 04, 2012, 01:30:52 PM
T. Rex, Linda Ronstadt, New York Dolls, Rush, and Thin Lizzy aren't in the Rock n Roll Hall Of Fame but Madonna is.

It's hard to build a place to honor music history when you refuse to honor music history.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on March 04, 2012, 01:34:40 PM
Don't forget Maiden, Priest, Purple, UFO, Motorhead...

All of these have been eligible for years, but no luck. GNR, however, gets in the moment they're eligible. Blah.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on March 04, 2012, 01:42:33 PM
Right on all those. There's even more like Yes or Bonnie Raitt.

Quote from: Avaitor on March 04, 2012, 01:34:40 PMAll of these have been eligible for years, but no luck. GNR, however, gets in the moment they're eligible. Blah.
GNR? Before Thin Lizzy? That's equally as dumb as Sex Pistols before New York Dolls.

Too bad, the hall could have served more as a historical tool instead of the popularity contest it currently is.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Commode on March 04, 2012, 01:55:05 PM
Oh, I missed the list of this years inductees.  Nice to see Beastie Boys got in, that's pretty cool.  RHCP made it in too, not sure what to think about that.  And yeah, why GnR exactly?  The only thing notable about the band is how much they self-imploded themselves at the time when they could've potentially been the biggest name in rock. 
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on March 04, 2012, 02:06:48 PM
I honestly can't believe T. Rex isn't in more than anything. there's legitimately no argument against them in any capacity (hits, influence, originality), they have it all.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on March 04, 2012, 02:30:18 PM
GNR made it in to show that the HOF isn't completely against hard rock/metal, and since Appetite sold a lot and is well-reviewed for whatever reason, they're just right for the Hall's token heavier inductee. I'm sure Axl is against them making it in before Thin Lizzy too, though. Considering that he has Black Rose tattooed on him and all.

Oh well, at least Alice Cooper got in last year.

I don't think that King Crimson is in, either. Which is also stupid.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on March 04, 2012, 03:02:02 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on March 04, 2012, 02:30:18 PM
I don't think that King Crimson is in, either. Which is also stupid.
They aren't.

Which is unbelievable!
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Foggle on May 11, 2012, 01:34:48 PM
Jeffree Star's new video is currently trending on Twitter. :anger:
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on May 11, 2012, 01:35:29 PM
Demi used to be friends with... it.

But still... why?
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Kiddington on May 11, 2012, 01:53:18 PM
 :whuh:

I can't believe this person actually has a fanbase.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Commode on June 26, 2012, 05:57:44 PM
Auto Tune is invading rock songs now (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAlZyajmcIM&feature=player_embedded).  I don't really know what that song was, but it ain't the Offspring I used to listen to.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Kiddington on June 26, 2012, 10:17:03 PM
Dunno if it's just me, but that screams of parody that (hopefully) isn't meant to be taken seriously.

Either way, though, that song is bad. I was never a huge Offspring fan anyway, but still.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on June 26, 2012, 11:41:45 PM
Songwriting has never really been the Offspring's strong suit other than on Smash.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on July 05, 2012, 07:32:56 PM
So why does Katy Perry need a movie?
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Commode on July 05, 2012, 07:43:43 PM
Because we can't get enough of her?
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on July 05, 2012, 07:46:45 PM
I dunno, when watching the preview to the movie I couldn't help but think what the reason was for making it. I guess it's because all the Katy Perrys and Lady Gagas of the world are all interchangeable to me- they don't really differentiate themselves at all.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Commode on July 05, 2012, 07:49:00 PM
It's probably the same reason that the Justin Bieber and Hannah Montana movies were made, to make money.  I don't think anyone really cares that much about her backstory, even all Old Guy wants to do is hump her.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on July 06, 2012, 05:40:33 PM
I'm saying it now- if the Katy perry movie makes it to #1 this weekend, I'm giving up on working in the film and/or music industry and changing my aspiration in life to work at Dunkin Donuts.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Commode on July 06, 2012, 06:14:29 PM
You're stupid, it's not going to make number one.  You have Spiderman and Ted that'll come in way ahead of it, and probably Magic Mike. 

Quit saying crazy things.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on July 06, 2012, 06:19:35 PM
It's not impossible, since ASM already came out a few days ago, plus Ted and Magic Mike already have a week's advantage themselves.

But yeah, Spider-Man is more than likely going to be #1 regardless, but I don't think it's as unlikely for Perry's movie to make it there either.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Commode on July 06, 2012, 06:30:04 PM
http://boxofficemojo.com/weekly/chart/?yr=2012&wk=26&p=.htm

Well this might not be completely up to date accurate, but so far it shows the Katy Perry movie way the fuck down there at number 16.  Granted, this is from the day the movie came out, but that's a lot of ground to make up.


So yeah, you're stupid.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on July 06, 2012, 06:43:57 PM
Well my faith in humanity is a little restored.

I was also thinking back on the success of the Hannah Montana and Justin Bieber 3D movies, but there really isn't as much of a reason for this to exist as there was for those. Tickets for Hannah Montana/Miley Cyrus at the height of her popularity were fucking insane- I don't think you people remember this, but they were up to quadruple digits at a point- so the movie existed as a cheaper, much more practical alternative to see her. Katy Perry tickets may cost a lot, but nowhere near that much. And Bieber has a much more loyal fanbase, while I don't think there are as many Perry diehards. Plus both of these came out during the beginning of their years, when the season wasn't as crowded; this is coming out in the summer, stacked between a bunch more desirable films.

I still thought it could've topped it, but I guess not.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on July 06, 2012, 07:04:44 PM
Hence my earlier question. I understood Montana and Beiber- but Katy Perry? I just don't see it.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on July 06, 2012, 07:05:49 PM
Yeah, now that I think about it, this'll probably go the same way as the Jo Bros flick- it'll do okay, make its easy money back, but nowhere near those standards.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Commode on July 08, 2012, 01:32:01 PM
So the Katy Perry movie ended up at number 8, making just over 7 mil.  I'm more disgusted at Tyler Perry's movie making 10 mil.

And I don't know if it bothers me, but I actually kind of like Linkin Park's new song "Burn it Down".  However, the singer's voice still kills it, he's really terrible, but if it wasn't for that it would actually be a good song.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on July 08, 2012, 01:36:52 PM
Yeah the singer really sucks. I remember liking the beginning of "Bleed It Out" with the riff and the rapping until he came in.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Nel_Annette on July 11, 2012, 11:07:25 AM
Hey Aviator, I remembered our talking about Geoff Tate getting kicked out of QR and thought you might enjoy this little read. There's two sides to every story, but if all this is true, then... then holy shit. There's another article from Michael Wilton's point of view, but that one's even longer.

http://blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=176573

QuoteQUEENSR?CHE members Michael Wilton, Eddie Jackson, Scott Rockenfield and Parker Lundgren announced on June 20 that they were parting ways with singer Geoff Tate and recruiting powerhouse vocalist Todd La Torre of CRIMSON GLORY as his replacement. The new QUEENSR?CHE lineup has already performed live, having played two shows in their home city of Seattle under the name RISING WEST.

In a recent interview with RollingStone.com, Tate revealed that he filed a lawsuit against his former bandmates on June 12 in King County Superior Court in the state of Washington in order to "sort out who is what, and who owns what, and that stuff." Tate is also attempting to get a court injunction against Wilton, Jackson and Rockenfield that would prevent them from using the name QUEENSR?CHE for their new group.

On Monday, July 9, Wilton, Jackson and Rockenfield filed a response to Tate's motion for preliminary injunction and included individual declarations from all of the defendants supporting their position that Tate's motion should be denied. As one would expect, these documents ? copies of which have been obtained by BLABBERMOUTH.NET ? contain startling details about the circumstances that led to the split between the singer and his one-time friends and longtime bandmates.

Several excerpts from Scott Rockenfield's declaration follow below.

"After [2005], Geoff and [his wife] Susan Tate began controlling the band's direction and Geoff Tate insisted on pushing only the music he was interested in pursuing. This meant that all of the material that Michael Wilton, Eddie Jackson and I were submitting was not getting finished. As such, Geoff Tate was basically writing with his friends, many of which were not even professional musicians.

"I have hard drives of song material written by Eddie Jackson, Michael Wilton and I that have dates and times on the files showing that in 2010 we had written dozens of hard rock songs that Geoff Tate even began singing on, but eventually was not interested in completing. He changed direction on us in late 2010 and only wanted to pursue a more pop-sounding CD, which meant he was only interested in a majority of songs being written by his friends, some of whom were homeless and living at his house.

"I have been the main composer, producer, engineer and technician for all the live backing tracks, computers, film screens and technology that is used during all QUEENSR?CHE shows from the very beginning. This is a massive, labor intensive undertaking for each tour and has become a huge part of all the live shows for QUEENSR?CHE through the years.

"Our stage manager and monitor tech Kelly Gray's claim that he and Geoff Tate do all the work is completely false. 'Q2K' (2000) was when we added Kelly to the band to play guitar. He was also hired as a producer/mixer for the CD. Producing and mixing a CD has many added requirements and Kelly Gray handled them well. However, his claims that he and Geoff Tate wrote the entire CD is completely and utterly false. Kelly Gray and I spent many weeks at my home studio writing a large amount of songs, and Michael Wilton and Eddie Jackson did the same. Because of everyone's complete involvement, it was easily decided that we should just split all credits equally amongst the five members.

"Geoff Tate's ongoing assault and anger issues have become a serious detriment to the brand of QUEENSR?CHE. In 2000, we had a band meeting regarding our next CD and at that meeting, he did not like some topics of discussion and stormed out of the meeting after throwing a chair across the room.

"In 2007, Geoff Tate was angered by something and approached me in the band's dressing room and proceeded to smash my laptop on the table and then hit me in the face while spitting on me and pushing me around the room for approximately 15 minutes.

"In mid-2011, the band held a meeting in the dressing room to discuss playing some of our older material such as 'Queen Of The Reich'. Geoff Tate got very upset and eventually screamed, 'I am NOT ever going to play those stupid songs!' He then stormed out of the room. We have not been allowed to perform those songs since.

"In late 2011, the band held another meeting in regards to performing 'Operation: Mindcrime' in its entirety for ShipRocked, a rock and roll-themed cruise scheduled for November 2011. The band was asking simple questions as to why we were being offered this and that. We wanted some more information about the offer. Geoff Tate got very upset and screamed at us, something to the effect of 'what's the problem and why can't you just do this?' and then stormed out of the dressing room.

"On April 14, 2012, in Sao Paulo, Brazil, Geoff Tate violently attacked and assaulted Michael Wilton, Eddie Jackson and me on stage just prior to show time. Geoff Tate's claim that I said to him, 'I've fired your family and now I'm going to fire you' is a complete lie and many witnesses support this. All of this ongoing assault and violence from Geoff Tate has repeatedly been very bad for the band's continued business as it has made it very difficult for the band to continue making music and play shows up to the standards that are expected by us and our worldwide fan base.

"In the last couple months at the final QUEENSR?CHE shows that were planned with Geoff Tate, he has made repeated comments on stage to our fans about how 'they suck' and about how 'this could be the end,' etc., etc. He has made multiple comments to the band members about making sure 'we stay away from him on stage or he will attack us again.' He has also made ongoing statements after the Brazil incident about how he 'wants us to stay away from him or else.' His actions resulting from this are very damaging to the band's brand name and has our fans very upset about his remarks, comments and personality.

"I received an email contact from Mike Kadrie at Zoetifex Studios back on December 7, 2010. His company was very interested in making QUEENSR?CHE's iconic concept album 'Operation: Mindcrime' into an animated feature film. He and I exchanged a few emails regarding this, and being that they were excited about proceeding, I ended up passing along his contact info to Susan Tate. Susan and Geoff Tate had many exchanges with them during the course of 2011. During that time, the company was trying to raise enough investment funds to secure the rights option for a two-year deal to then pursue the BIG monies from investors to make the entire full-length feature, which was to include some A-list talents and voices. However, they were not able to raise such funds during 2011. During the process in 2011, Mike Kadrie continued to correspond with me and Susan and Geoff Tate. However, during this process, Susan and Geoff Tate had told Mike to NOT continue conversations with me or the other band members which Mike Kadrie was able to convey to me in his emails.

"Early in 2012, I received an email from Mike Kadrie stating that they had secured the rights option to the film which was authorized and done only through Geoff Tate, and that Geoff Tate had signed the agreement for the rights to them without any knowledge given to the other band members. The deal also contained an advance of monies to secure this options right, which were sent to the band's accountant/attorney, Neil Sussman, to be held in escrow. After receiving this information from Mike Kadrie and Zoetifex Studios about securing the rights option, I informed Michael Wilton and Eddie Jackson and asked if they knew anything about this deal. Michael Wilton and Eddie Jackson had never been told about any film deals, and they were very upset about Geoff Tate presuming that he alone had the right to sign over any deals regarding any QUEENSR?CHE intellectual properties. The band members then contacted our attorney Neil Sussman who proceeded to tell them that, YES, Geoff Tate did sign over a deal for the options rights to 'Operation: Mindcrime', the movie. When the band members asked Neil Sussman how he could allow such a deal to be done without their collective input, he responded by saying something to the effect that 'Geoff told me he owned the rights, and so I just believed him and told him to sign the deal.' This made Michael Wilton, Eddie Jackson and I FURIOUS.

"On March 7, 2012, Michael Wilton, Eddie Jackson and I immediately signed and sent a certified document to Neil Sussman and Geoff Tate stating that this contract and deal was not authorized and that we request that all contracts relating to this deal be 'suspended' and that Neil Sussman was 'NOT ALLOWED TO DISPERSE ANY MONIES BEING HELD IN ESCROW.'

"On March 8, 2012, Neil Sussman confirmed that he had received this certified mailing and that since there was a conflict of interest regarding this movie deal, that he would not continue to work on any such related matters, and that he would not disperse any monies being held in escrow.

"On April 14, 2012, in Brazil, the band held a meeting in our dressing room at Geoff Tate's request. During this meeting we asked Geoff Tate about this 'Operation: Mindcrime' movie deal. He responded by saying that he knew nothing about any 'Operation: Mindcrime' movie deal. When asked further questions, Geoff Tate responded by saying that, 'Yes, I signed a deal for the story rights and that was a deal for me.' The band members absolutely disagree with him and that anything related to QUEENSR?CHE music, recordings, CDs, DVDs, videos, story lines, logos, and trademarks are absolutely considered intellectual properties owned by QUEENSR?CHE, and that NO ONE band member has any rights to sign contracts or accept offers on behalf of QUEENSR?CHE properties.

"On Saturday, April 14, 2012, at approximately 11:05 p.m., we (the band) had just arrived on the stage behind the curtain approximately 10 minutes before our show was to commence in Sao Paulo, Brazil, with 2000+ concertgoers in attendance. I was getting up onto my drum riser when fellow band member Geoff Tate walked in front of my drums and spit into my face while proceeding to yell obscenities at me. Geoff Tate then pushed my drums down onto the drum riser causing the first delays for the show. Geoff Tate then walked around the stage left behind Michael Wilton's guitar speakers and confronted Michael Wilton face to face. He proceeded to yell obscenities at him before striking him with his fist on the right upper side of Michael Wilton's face. I came off my drum riser to Michael Wilton's aid and told Geoff Tate to back off. Geoff Tate continued to yell obscenities and spit at both Michael Wilton and me, and then at that time proceeded to strike me in the face twice. I backed away and asked for security to assist the situation. Geoff Tate continued yelling obscenities and spitting at the band members while chasing us around the stage. The local stage security and our own crew came to assist in trying to subdue Geoff Tate. Geoff Tate continued to resist and kept chasing the band members around the stage, all the while screaming obscenities, spitting at them and threatening them. Our tour manager, Orlando Scott 'Fozzy' O'Hare, came to subdue Geoff Tate and move him to his position on the stage left. After a few minutes of Orlando Scott 'Fozzy' O'Hare trying to calm Geoff Tate down, Geoff Tate then came back across the stage at the band members. He continued to spit and yell obscenities and was trying to get close to them to continue his assault. Local security created a barrier between me, Eddie Jackson and Michael Wilton to keep Geoff Tate from approaching. This behavior continued for about 20 to 25 minutes while we were forced to delay the show. Michael Wilton was handed an ice pack to hold to his face to try and keep any swelling to a minimum. After the situation was under control, the other band members and the band's crew had to fix the damage caused to their equipment during this assault before the show could proceed as scheduled.

"Just minutes prior to the show commencing, Orlando Scott 'Fozzy' O'Hare was told by Geoff Tate that he was going to attack Eddie Jackson next and that he was going to 'mess' with me all during the show. The entire incident lasted about 25 minutes. During the show, Geoff Tate continued to spit on the band members and their equipment, which was clearly seen by the fans in attendance and caused a very uncomfortable situation for the band to perform at the level the fans expected and paid for.

"During the show, Orlando Scott 'Fozzy' O'Hare advised us to exit the stage and go directly into our transportation to get away from Geoff Tate and his possible continued assault. There was concern that Geoff Tate would try and assault us on stage during our final bows to the crowd. We arrived at our hotel safely soon thereafter and were told to stay in our rooms until later the next day to avoid any further confrontations. Local authorities in discussion with our stage manager, Orlando Scott 'Fozzy' O'Hare, agreed to have Geoff Tate booked on another plane flight different from our original flights to also further avoid confrontations. Geoff Tate's new flight cost over $2,500. Later in the night when Geoff Tate departed the venue with Orlando Scott 'Fozzy' O'Hare to go back to the hotel, Geoff Tate proceeded to tell Orlando Scott 'Fozzy' O'Hare to tell me to 'keep the f**k away from him.'

"Geoff Tate's continued lack of interest in original QUEENSR?CHE music or playing the older QUEENSR?CHE music is resulting in damage to the brand of QUEENSR?CHE. His recent and ongoing threats and assaults continued to place a great amount of stress on the remaining band members and their crew. Geoff Tate was no longer allowed to travel with the band, stay in the same hotels, participate in any band interviews, and had to be escorted at the venues with security. This was a very damaging form of business and had left the band with no choice but to move on without him."
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on July 11, 2012, 01:08:00 PM
Yeah, I read Tate's Rolling Stone interview. Things definitely don't sound like they're going well in the Queensryche camp.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on July 30, 2012, 08:54:28 PM
Some people really have it in their heads that Cobain killed himself because he "couldn't take the pressure of the industry", don't they? Heck, even Family Guy equated him with some of the most brilliant minds of all time in that one terrible cutaway.

Do people not understand that Nirvana was basically done by that point, Cobain was deeper in drugs and booze than Keith bleedin' Richards, and had basically no interest in music anymore? If he was alive now, he wouldn't be a musician anymore.

I don't like speaking ill of the dead, but he was just a psychologically disturbed and depressed man that had no real outlet to deal with his issues. It's a shame he died, but not because he was some "amazing" or "deep" artist who was still at his "peak". It was because he gave up on life and his child for selfish reasons that he couldn't overcome.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Rynnec on August 30, 2012, 03:23:09 PM
 So I just discovered that this exists. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-SDjsahKZM)

Not sure how I feel about this cover.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Kiddington on August 30, 2012, 05:00:11 PM
Ehhhhhhhhhh.

Alien Ant Farm did it so much better.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on September 28, 2012, 01:30:15 PM
http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/3-ways-green-day-just-had-least-punk-rock-meltdown-ever/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=fanpage&utm_campaign=new+article&wa_ibsrc=fanpage

lol
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on September 28, 2012, 02:29:01 PM
Yep, I've been really disappointed at how little they've actually grown up despite what Warning says. I'm starting to think they should have stopped at that album.

QuoteTo the untrained eye, that might look like the greatest act of rock and roll rebellion since Kurt Cobain wore a dress on Headbanger's Ball.
Gen-Xers sense of irony still amazes me. There was nothing "rebellious" about it.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on September 28, 2012, 05:44:30 PM
Does Billie Joe not realize that at this point, the vast majority of his following consists of teenage girls who think they're "too cool" to listen to pop, even though Green Day are arguably the most mainstream rock act out there?

The whole thing is just silly, IMO.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on September 28, 2012, 05:50:12 PM
Reading their pre-21st Century Breakdown interviews proved to me that not only had they lost all sense of reason, but they seem totally oblivious to the world around them. The album itself cemented that feeling to me.

Now I cringe every time I seen them onstage or interviewed. Then again, being in your 40s and wearing eyeliner already makes one cringe.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Commode on September 28, 2012, 06:22:37 PM
Yo dudes, all that bullshit aside, the new record is actually pretty decent.  A really great break from 21st Century Breakdown, I was fairly impressed.

Although I don't know how many of you like Green Day in first place, even before AI.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on September 28, 2012, 06:25:16 PM
Since 1994.

I'm not really interested in the new one, Stop Drop & Roll was pretty much what I wanted from them in the first place.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Commode on September 28, 2012, 06:40:55 PM
I started in 1998, my first album was(along with Americana) Dookie.  At the time they were a big deal because of Good Riddance and Nimrod was advertised all over the place in that Fred Meyer, but I picked Dookie because of the colored pencil cover, and because it had "When I Come Around" on it, the only other Green Day song I was familiar with at the time.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Kiddington on September 28, 2012, 08:08:44 PM
2001-2002 ish. I wasn't really into music that much as a kid, but even pre-AI, Green Day was one of my early favorites.

I still like pretty much all of their early stuff, from Warning on down (and really, AI isn't even that bad of an album, all things considered), but I haven't cared about them at all since then (21st Century Breakdown was wholeheartedly awful). I really wasn't interested in the new one either, but I have actually heard good things from quite a few people, so maybe it's worth a look. We'll see.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Commode on September 28, 2012, 08:15:03 PM
All pro-Green Day bias aside, Kerplunk-Warning is one of the strongest streaks ever.  Few bands have been able to make that solid of a string of records, pretty much every song is still great to listen to today.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on September 28, 2012, 08:17:10 PM
Yeah, they were a pretty good pop band all things considered. Though I do think Insomniac was a bit of step down from Dookie, it was still pretty good.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Commode on September 28, 2012, 08:24:46 PM
Insomniac is actually the underrated GD album to me personally.  It was the last album I bought pre-AI, I even owned International Superhits! and Shenanigans before I owned it, and it probably has the fewest spins(except 21st, only listened to that one fully like twice).

I don't know if there's any particular reason, maybe it's because the record was meant as a more aggressive record than the others.  It's a great album, but its near the bottom for me.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Commode on September 28, 2012, 08:30:31 PM
For me it's probably Nimrod > Warning > Kerplunk > Dookie > 1039 > American Idiot > Insomniac(regretfully, but honestly) > 21st.

Don't know where I'd fit Uno! in yet.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on September 28, 2012, 08:31:06 PM
I think my issue is that the songs aren't that interesting compared to Dookie or Kerplunk. Nothing as bouncy as Longview, as good as One For The Razorbacks, as exciting as Chump, as slow as Christie Road, nor does it have anything as catchy as When I Come Around, 2000 Light Years Away, or Basket Case.

There are a lot of good songs, but stuff like Tight Wad Hill feels like 39/Smooth-level of songwriting.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on September 28, 2012, 08:33:15 PM
Quote from: Comeau on September 28, 2012, 08:30:31 PM
For me it's probably Nimrod > Warning > Kerplunk > Dookie > 1039 > American Idiot > Insomniac(regretfully, but honestly) > 21st.

Don't know where I'd fit Uno! in yet.
I would probably go:

SD&R > Warning > Nimrod > Dookie > Kerplunk > American Idiot > Insomniac > Smooth > The Network> 21st
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: No-Personality on November 20, 2012, 12:07:32 PM
Quote from: Kiddington on May 11, 2012, 01:53:18 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on May 11, 2012, 01:35:29 PM
Quote from: Foggle on May 11, 2012, 01:34:48 PMJeffree Star's new video is currently trending on Twitter. :anger:
Demi used to be friends with... it.

But still... why?
:whuh:

I can't believe this person actually has a fanbase.
I don't get it. What am I missing?


Quote from: Avaitor on February 16, 2012, 08:13:59 PMI actually really like "Super Bass"
Same here.


Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on February 19, 2011, 12:04:16 AMNelly Furtado. God, I hate the Canadian music industry so much.
I love this song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn5uLbWh16Y) of hers.



What really bothers me? Most of the trends I hate the most in music have already passed. I mean, Cee Lo Green really bored me but... that's nothing compared to whatever hip-hop was when this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtUVQei3nX4) was popular. UCK! (He really redeemed himself later (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1PVmANeyAg), though.) I think pop is really in a much better place now, thanks a lot to Lady Gaga.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Foggle on November 20, 2012, 12:23:26 PM
Quote from: No-Personality on November 20, 2012, 12:07:32 PM
I don't get it. What am I missing?
Star's music used to be incredibly popular 'round these parts. It all just sounds like old cats vomiting into factory machinery to me.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on December 22, 2012, 04:02:08 PM
VH1 did a 100 greatest women in music list earlier this year. I was happy to see Demi make the list, but this bugged me:

Where did Madonna rank? #1
Where did Nicki Minaji rank? #40
Adele? Right at #5, with her sole 2 albums.
Aretha? Nowhere to be found.
Grace Slick? Also missing.
Debbie Harry? Another no-show.
And PJ Harvey's stuck to 79.

So yeah, let us never let VH1 rank any sort of lists ever again.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on January 22, 2013, 01:09:42 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on December 22, 2012, 04:02:08 PM
VH1 did a 100 greatest women in music list earlier this year. I was happy to see Demi make the list, but this bugged me:

Where did Madonna rank? #1
Where did Nicki Minaji rank? #40
Adele? Right at #5, with her sole 2 albums.
Aretha? Nowhere to be found.
Grace Slick? Also missing.
Debbie Harry? Another no-show.
And PJ Harvey's stuck to 79.

So yeah, let us never let VH1 rank any sort of lists ever again.
This doesn't bother anyone? Because I'm listening to Amazing Grace now, and I really don't understand how Aretha didn't rank on a list like this.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on January 22, 2013, 06:35:19 PM
I missed that post. Yeah, that's embarrassing as a list.

How you make a list like this and not include Aretha Franklin is quite possibly a cause to invalidate the whole thing.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on February 01, 2013, 07:04:07 PM
"This is basically the pop-friendly and telegenic boy-band version of indie-folk, designed for people who think they?re above pop-friendly and telegenic boy bands."

This is what one of the AV Club members had to say about Mumford & Sons, and as far as I'm concerned, you can say the same about pretty much any band that's had a hit as of late.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on February 01, 2013, 07:06:46 PM
I'm trying to think of any "indie-folk" that isn't just quiet pop.

Anyone remember Belle & Sebastian? They were pop.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on February 01, 2013, 08:26:44 PM
Oh, to add to it, I actually like what little I've heard of M&S. It's not a genre I listen to much, but they seem to have some good stuff.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: No-Personality on February 01, 2013, 08:38:21 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on December 22, 2012, 04:02:08 PMthis bugged me:

Where did Madonna rank? #1
I guess if they did one thing right, that was it.

There's no real argument. Sure, there are more talented musicians as strict musicians. But Madonna understands SO MUCH MORE about music than anyone with a snob bone (which you do have Avaitor, admit it; of course, so does almost everyone else on this board) ever give her credit for. This is why. Because she is the greatest all-around package. She literally puts as much art into the music as her producers and collaborators who are sometimes more responsible for the greatest qualities in her best work. And she knows the business, she championed the music video when that was actually being criticized by other artists, she has amazing ears, and everything she is is dynamic even when she's not doing her best. Her influence is one of the most important things about her (not just that she made fucking legendary music). She literally helped break sexual boundaries for artists today. Without her, there is so much we wouldn't have. Now, I know not everyone appreciates that. A wide span of people don't- from people who would attack the doors she's opened up in political discourse to people who just hate what music is today (and the more you listen to their reasons why, the more you hear a criticism of women in general: really revealing some highly sexist opinions).
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on February 01, 2013, 08:42:14 PM
Die Another Day. That is all.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Lord Dalek on February 01, 2013, 08:43:14 PM
Not quite. Hard Candy.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: No-Personality on February 02, 2013, 07:54:23 PM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on February 01, 2013, 08:42:14 PMDie Another Day. That is all.
Not a bad song, really. Easily better than "Hollywood" and I say better than "American Life" (which need only exist for the music video, one of the most important pieces of political commentary in the last decade: bar none).


Quote from: Lord Dalek on February 01, 2013, 08:43:14 PMNot quite. Hard Candy.
Actually, I'd say (as someone who actually owns these albums) Hard Candy is on the better side of Madonna's post-Ray of Light output. "Beat Goes On," "Miles Away," "Dance 2night," "She's Not Me," and "Give it 2 Me" (and, no, I don't care about 2's as words) are all great tracks and most of the album filler is better than it needs to be as well ("Spanish Lesson" and "Heartbeat" especially). The production is good on almost every song (in fact, the only terrible track all around is the 1st single, "4 Minutes").
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on February 02, 2013, 08:02:10 PM
What was up with the Madonna cameo in DAD, though?

But yeah, Laz, you bring up some good points about M. And I know I'm a snob, heh. At least we know what we like, though.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: No-Personality on February 03, 2013, 10:40:07 AM
Once a woman who has ever had a reputation connected with sex appears in a 007 film, she becomes a Bond Girl. And don't even try to debate that, it's the only thing that explains Martine Beswick being able to promote movies like The Happy Hooker Goes Hollywood. When you watch that film, you'll get a fair grasp on just how wrong the Bond Girl phenomenon is, and (I'm speaking pre-emptively here) you'll earn whatever critical thing you're about to say about Madonna in a Bond film. Frankly, it's a whore's market. If M had been played by Helen Mirren rather than Judi Dench, we wouldn't be talking about this.

(Okay, that even looks cryptic to me: what I'm saying is that they hired her because the movies are about sex, she knows a lot about that, and that's usually what they hire female actresses for (Dench is the only example I can think of where they hired a woman for her Class Clout). Regardless of how frequently people say she isn't hot, she gets every hot woman on the planet to respect her because they can see that she knows what she's doing. She kissed Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera on LIVE television and went to a strip club in her most famous music video in years before the movie went into production. She got people talking and garnered more attention for the movie. They knew she would, so they put her in it.)
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Foggle on February 03, 2013, 01:03:07 PM
Skyfall proved that M is the best Bond girl though.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on February 03, 2013, 01:05:24 PM
Everyone knows that James Bond was the best Bond Girl in Casino Royale.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: No-Personality on February 04, 2013, 01:47:45 PM
My list goes:

1. Grace Jones
2. Daniel Craig
3. that's it.

;D
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on February 21, 2013, 03:57:01 PM
Lyrical tropes I hate in rap:


Tropes most commonly seen in modern rap:

^
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on February 21, 2013, 04:02:43 PM
Add in degradation of women and you have the cliches in a nice wrapper.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on February 21, 2013, 04:04:10 PM
Yeah, I kind of meant that when I wrote domestic abuse, but that is worthy of its own category. Although Nicki Minaj does not help the cause any.

In other news, looks like there's trouble on Slayer's front. (http://loudwire.com/slayer-drummer-dave-lombardo-dismissed-from-australian-tour-contract-dispute/) Man, I hate how greed is killing bands like these. Soon enough, we won't have any of these senior bands around at all.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Foggle on March 21, 2013, 08:35:16 AM
Just bought a song from iTunes.

It will not download no matter what I do.

God I fucking hate Apple.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Silverstar on March 21, 2013, 09:00:15 AM
Quote from: Foggle on March 21, 2013, 08:35:16 AM
Just bought a song from iTunes.

It will not download no matter what I do.

God I fucking hate Apple.

I have an iTunes account, but I haven't used it in a dog's age. I've been getting my tunes from Google Play and Amazon for the past year or so. Apple's stuff is...quirky and they don't get along well with other devices.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Foggle on March 21, 2013, 09:04:47 AM
Yeah, it's been forever since I last purchased something from iTunes. Won't be doing it again.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Nel_Annette on March 21, 2013, 10:28:16 AM
I only do it for certain bonus tracks.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on March 21, 2013, 11:26:58 AM
I only use iTunes to buy singles from my favorites to support them. In the past year, I bought three songs- "Heart Attack" "Bloody Mary", and The Kills' cover of "Dreams".
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Commode on March 21, 2013, 09:43:38 PM
I regularly buy songs straight off the iTunes app on my iPhone(or sometimes I'll buy movies on my iPad) just because it's so easy and I can do it anywhere I can get a cell signal or Wi-Fi, but I rarely venture into the PC version of the store anymore.  The iTunes program and by extension the store are just way to God damned slow and buggy, even the newest version in which they claimed these issues would be fixed.  I use other programs to sync music files to my i-devices, namely MediaMonkey.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on March 21, 2013, 09:55:54 PM
I haven't used it in years ever since I had to deal with Apple's customer support.

I'm back to the old standard of CDs.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Daxdiv on March 22, 2013, 02:02:14 AM
I buy my MP3s on Amazon, cause fuck Apple and I don't own an iPod and my media player is a Sansa clip when I'm on the go.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on April 03, 2013, 01:19:13 AM
Who Made Who sold 10 times as many albums in the US than Jailbreak did, and that's no even Thin Lizzy's best album.

We really have shit taste when it comes to good hard rock.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Nel_Annette on April 19, 2013, 12:50:49 AM
You know what really bothers me. Watching Geoff Tate perform badly while thinking he's fantastic, so much so that he licks the microphone.

(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fr4TaStc.gif&hash=3c9bf12e808f3634453e1f52fdfcba4316c97d33)

I... I can't get away from this trainwreck. It's just so fascinating to watch.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on April 19, 2013, 11:01:36 AM
My friend checked out the iTune samples of his new EP, and he says they're wicked bad. They even have KK Downing in there, doing nothing.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Nel_Annette on April 19, 2013, 11:08:43 AM
I'm debating whether to buy the Tateryche album. On one hand, it's guaranteed shit. On the other hand, it would make a nifty little souvenir if he loses the legal battle in November and the real Queensryche gets control over the name.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on April 19, 2013, 11:14:00 AM
I feel like buying it would just support his cause, but I do sincerely doubt that many will buy the album for it to do well at all. So I dunno.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Nel_Annette on April 19, 2013, 12:02:05 PM
Well, only 8000 people bought Dedicated To Chaos when it first came out, so I can't imagine this one even touching that.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on September 21, 2013, 09:59:39 AM
Y'no, it's funny, a friend and I were talking about this, but have you noticed how seemingly everyone has just stopped caring about Muse? They went from being plugged to be the next Rush... then most of their fans just went away.

Was their last album THAT bad?
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Nel_Annette on September 21, 2013, 12:24:31 PM
Their last album was pretty good. 'Twas The Resistance (2009) that pissed everyone off. It became less about their old sound and more abut trying to be a modern Queen.

For me personally (and a lot of people disagree with me on this), it was Black Holes And Revelations that made me stop caring for a while. They tried going for a space western sound on that, and it doesn't work for me. Barring maybe 3 songs.

But like I said, the album from last year seemed to bring some people back. It continues the "we're trying to be Queen!" thing The Resistance was doing, but the songs are much better. And I even like the dubstep one that broke the fanbase further.  :lol:

Dude's still put on a hell of a live show though.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on October 16, 2013, 12:03:17 AM
I just checked this year's ballot choices for the HOF. Of course Nirvana made it in, which is totally expected. Some other choices that have been a long time coming have made it this year as well, such as:

Deep Purple (!)
KISS
The Replacements
The Zombies (!)
Yes

As well as LL Cool J and NWA. I'm just hoping that DP are the token hard rock band to make it in this year, and that there's also room for some more prog.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on October 16, 2013, 12:09:12 AM
The Replacements?!?

Color me impressed, I never saw that happening. I have to say though, the token hip hop acts are getting old. None of them did as much as Run DMC or the Beastie Boys did for rock n roll.

Nirvana in before the Meat Puppets is outright silly. Nirvana's entire sound was built on II and Up on the Sun.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on October 16, 2013, 12:16:55 AM
Oh, I forgot to mention that there is no excuse for the Specials, Madness, or the Jam to not be in yet. Rock n Roll is bigger than just the US and if you're going on popularity they all outsold the Stooges, the Sex Pistols, and Velvet Underground and are almost as influential.

On a similar note if you can put in the Stooges and the Sex Pistols (one album for crying out loud and it isn't even a good one), then there is no reason to not put in the New York Dolls.

EDIT: Neither Dick Dale nor Link Wray are in, but Public Enemy are. What the.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on October 16, 2013, 12:14:48 PM
You can vote for up to 5 acts. (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/vote-for-the-2014-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-inductees-20131016)

I went for Purple, KISS, 'Mats, Zombies and Yes. 3 and So are among my favorite albums, but Pete doesn't need my love.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: No-Personality on October 16, 2013, 06:02:06 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on October 16, 2013, 12:09:12 AMI have to say though, the token hip hop acts are getting old. None of them did as much as Run DMC or the Beastie Boys did for rock n roll.
I want to agree (though there's no debate in the case of LL Cool J, he may make both my lists of best singles of the 80's and 90's a few times but he's not really historically relevant apart from just general success and maybe as a fashion trendsetter). But, "Straight Outta Compton" was a really big deal. Like: genre-changing, history making, etc. The song makes me extremely uncomfortable as I don't trust the lyrics weren't partially homophobic. But still, I can't possibly say anything against its power.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on October 16, 2013, 06:38:26 PM
I think there should be a Hip Hop Hall of Fame, as well as one for jazz. They're making one for pop, and have some acts on the induction sheet who wouldn't make the rock one, like Dino, so why not branch out even more?
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: No-Personality on October 17, 2013, 06:21:08 AM
1 Hall for Them All, or gtfo.

My only "offer." I bend for not all and not one.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Lord Il on October 17, 2013, 04:36:45 PM
I was going to make a separate topic on this but figured it's suitable enough for here:

What bothers me are those who feel the need to get high to "enhance" the enjoyment of a live venue. It's not like I go to a lot of concerts, but why is it nearly every time I do I have to smell weed just outside the entrances of the buildings?? Hell, it's even worse when someone gets bold enough to light up a joint within close proximity of where you sit during a show. I would much rather remember the concert I went to rather than forget a lot of it from being wasted.

Not necessarily hating, just not understanding. O_o
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Foggle on October 17, 2013, 05:50:53 PM
I dunno. Lighting up does nothing for me, personally. I actually act more like I'm high when I'm sober. :lol:
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on October 17, 2013, 08:33:59 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on October 16, 2013, 06:38:26 PM
I think there should be a Hip Hop Hall of Fame, as well as one for jazz. They're making one for pop, and have some acts on the induction sheet who wouldn't make the rock one, like Dino, so why not branch out even more?
They might as well. If the place was called the "Music Hall Of Fame" I wouldn't even care about half the people being put in.

But I'm still waiting for T. Rex.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on October 22, 2013, 12:56:20 PM
I'm pretty sure I mentioned this before, but John Darnielle is way too cool to be associated with someone like John Green.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on November 18, 2013, 04:22:31 PM
The HOF also has voting here. (http://www.rockhall.com/get-involved/interact/poll/)

Huh, KISS has more votes than Nirvana. Maybe this will be the year they finally make it in. And the 'Mats needs more votes for sure.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: No-Personality on November 18, 2013, 11:14:47 PM
Hall & Oates > Kiss.

Also... Peter Gabriel? This can't be his first eligible year. Nor H&O for that matter. What the fuck? Hold Nirvana back at least one more year. Kiss... I suppose people like them. But, seriously, c'mon: they're lame as hell. Cat Stevens I'd go for in a heartbeat before Kiss. But, again, what's up with this first eligible year nonsense? He had to have been considered godknows HOW many years ago... And Linda. And, of course, Deep Purple. And Zombies.

Ug.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on November 19, 2013, 07:18:39 AM
KISS may be lame, but they have some killer hard rock tracks in their discography, and I think they deserve a place in the HOF since they've inspired plenty of people to pick up an instrument.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on November 19, 2013, 10:30:40 AM
Linda Ronstadt was in the same situation as Rush. Someone on the committee didn't like them and tried to put the kibosh on their entry.

It was rather silly, really.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Commode on December 28, 2013, 10:07:12 AM
It's depressing that Nirvana is now considered classic rock.  The local station just played a Steve Miller song, had a bumper declaring they are THE classic rock station, then segued into "Come As You Are".


Followed by Journey's "Who's Cryin' Now?".  What a world.

EDIT: What the fuck, now they are spinning Sugar Ray.  I give up.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on December 28, 2013, 11:45:40 AM
Before our local classic rock station went defunct and switched to a (poor) feed of a Miami news station, they started to play Linkin Park and Audioslave. I don't really have a problem with grunge or RHCP being considered classic rock, but that's where I draw the line.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Lord Il on December 28, 2013, 01:20:25 PM
Sugar Ray being played on a classic rock station is blasphemous.

The radio stations here are nothing to sneeze at, but if Sugar Ray was to play on a classic rock station here, well.. there would be hell to pay from the listening public.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Commode on December 28, 2013, 01:42:13 PM
Sugar Ray should be relegated to Bob FM(or Jack or Dick or whatever he's called in your area) only.  Maybe the Mix station, if they are lucky.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Nel_Annette on December 28, 2013, 05:06:58 PM
Looked it up. Sugar Ray's first album (with a very hot naked chick on the cover. Rawr.) came out in 95. They got two years before they belong on a classic rock radio station in my eyes. Twenty years after debut. That's my threshold for acceptance.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on December 29, 2013, 09:12:55 PM
I gave up on the classic rock stations when I heard Linkin Park playing on them.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on December 30, 2013, 11:48:25 AM
I'd argue that any artist who is still popular with high schoolers shouldn't be allowed on a classic rock station.

Although that'd probably include Green Day and I don't have a problem with their 90's stuff on those stations.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Commode on December 30, 2013, 12:06:30 PM
I'm just wondering if most 70s music is going to end up as sparse on the radio as 50s music is today, considering 90s stuff is showing up on classic rock stations.  Even from the '60s what really is still played on the radio?  The Beatles, Rolling Stones, The Who, The Kinks, Eric Clapton, some stuff from the tail end of the decade like Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, CCR, Three Dog Night.  Not really a lot I'm afraid.

And "Basket Case" would sound really weird on a classic rock station.  Really the only Green Day songs that wouldn't are "When I Come Around" and "Good Riddance".
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Commode on December 30, 2013, 12:20:30 PM
I don't think Elvis even gets played on the radio.  Which is something I can live with considering I don't much care for him, but still one of the biggest names in music ever.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on December 30, 2013, 01:16:11 PM
My oldies stations play "Suspicious Minds" every now and then, but I mean, that's late 60's Elvis.

Still a great song, but yeah, not much 50's on the radio anymore, is there?
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on December 31, 2013, 11:38:51 AM
There really isn't. I can't even name the last time I heard Chuck Berry on the radio.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Commode on January 22, 2014, 04:26:33 PM
Ted Nugent made some great music back in the day, but man does this guy have some batshit insane opinions.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: No-Personality on January 22, 2014, 06:18:43 PM
He should be muzzled, no argument about that.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on February 04, 2014, 12:36:18 PM
uh... (http://www.cartoonbrew.com/cartoon-culture/miley-cyrus-and-john-kricfalusi-working-together-94879.html)
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Lord Il on February 04, 2014, 04:59:28 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on February 04, 2014, 12:36:18 PM
uh... (http://www.cartoonbrew.com/cartoon-culture/miley-cyrus-and-john-kricfalusi-working-together-94879.html)
Daaamn...! O_o
Well... I.. I guess he needed some extra cash.

The caricatures of Miley are quite accurate representations, though. In fact, I wouldn't call them caricatures at all. :sly:

Thinking back, I remember it being weird when he worked with Bjork on making a music video for her.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on March 05, 2014, 04:31:14 PM
Guitar World had an article in this month's issue featuring a list of artists who should be in the Hall already (appropriate, since Gene and Paul were on the cover). Their choices ranged from damn right, if slightly questionable for the mainstream (Slayer, Fugazi) to ones that I wouldn't think about for a while (Ozzy, Pantera) to why the fuck aren't they here yet (Dick Dale, Yes, Purple, Maiden, SRV).

Although they forgot a couple more that need to be here ASAP. The entry for Yes cried foul at Rush making it in first, but if any prog band needs to be added in yesterday, it's King Crimson. Meanwhile, even though I'm not Priest's biggest fan, they're way too important to ignore, as well as Thin fucking Lizzy. I understand that not all of these are household names, but who the fuck cares? Shouldn't the Hall of Fame be about the music rather than the money?
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Nel_Annette on March 14, 2014, 12:43:49 AM
-Band releases album.
-Nel buys album on day of release. All is well.
-XX months pass.
-Band announces super awesome version of the album, with an extra disc full of new singles and b-sides and bonus tracks.
-Nel sees this news, looks at the original version of the album he bought, and sighs.
-Nel must decide whether to double dip or not.

This has been happening a LOT with acts I like lately. It's getting to the point where I'm considering just sticking to collecting the older records I've been meaning to get and going after new releases a set time (like a year) after they come out. I'm so sick of this crap. And when bands announce this on their FB page, fans complain like crazy, and I don't blame them. When Bowie announced The Next Day Extra a few months back, a bunch of us were commenting about how not only had we bought the album on the day of release, but it was the so called "deluxe" edition of the album with the 3/4 bonus tracks. We went out of our way to get the more expensive one with bonus tracks. And a few months later, here comes an even better version, with all those tracks, the Japan-only track, and four new songs? Of course we were pissed.

Plenty of people responded with "just download the new songs off of iTunes", but for me, that's not the point. I'm a collector, and I like to have the version of the album that has the most songs available.

(I realize that you guys probably abandoned cds long ago and I sound like a lunatic, but I just need to vent. I started a massive album collection before digital really went big, but it's a hobby of mine to this day.)
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on March 23, 2014, 10:54:54 PM
Random question-

Can Sandman be defined as a sellout track?
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Commode on March 30, 2014, 08:17:08 AM
This is more of a music video thing, but I am watching the MTV Hits channel right now and they are playing Britney Spears' "Work Bitch", and at one point there is a girl with one of those Beats speakers in her mouth:
http://youtu.be/pt8VYOfr8To?t=2m7s

What is up with this product placement of Beats in pop music videos?  This is not the only case, it's something I've noticed in a few other videos:
http://youtu.be/bESGLojNYSo?t=1m15s
http://youtu.be/i-gyZ35074k?t=29s
http://youtu.be/LrUvu1mlWco

It just seems like something that will become pretty dated in the future.  Are there many videos from the 80s that prominently feature Sony Walkmans?  I know the MTV signage on tvs popped up from time to time(such as in Billy Joel's "Uptown Girl").
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Nel_Annette on March 30, 2014, 11:26:34 AM
Dr. Dre's trying to sell the shit out of them, I guess. Though I prefer just having my computer/iPod and headphones. I've got one of those iHome things for when I want to play it loud.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Commode on March 30, 2014, 11:52:41 AM
Quote from: Nel_Annette on March 30, 2014, 11:26:34 AM
I've got one of those iHome things for when I want to play it loud.
I've got these Bose speaker things that are presently hooked up to the TV for that.  That thing gets pretty loud(I can't turn it up too much or the neighbors will be knocking on my door).  Never had a need to get an iHome or anything.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Nel_Annette on March 30, 2014, 12:06:10 PM
Yeah, but the iHome was free (my dad won it at a work raffle), so I took it.  :thumbup:
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on September 17, 2014, 04:12:29 PM
Do you know what has always baffled me?

Tom Petty has consistently written some of the best, most varied rock n' roll in the past 40 years, but the one song he's best known for is a pretty standard acoustic ballad. I kind of get why, but it's disheartening when you've seen all that he's done in comparison.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on September 17, 2014, 04:39:32 PM
More than wooooooooooooooooords.  :humhumhum:
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Lord Il on September 17, 2014, 05:56:59 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on September 17, 2014, 04:12:29 PM
Do you know what has always baffled me?

Tom Petty has consistently written some of the best, most varied rock n' roll in the past 40 years, but the one song he's best known for is a pretty standard acoustic ballad. I kind of get why, but it's disheartening when you've seen all that he's done in comparison.
Really? I don't know... Tom's name could come up and I'd have at least a half dozen songs of his instantly in mind.

Which song are you referring to? I'm wanting to guess "Free Falling."
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on September 17, 2014, 08:42:38 PM
Quote from: Lord Il on September 17, 2014, 05:56:59 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on September 17, 2014, 04:12:29 PM
Do you know what has always baffled me?

Tom Petty has consistently written some of the best, most varied rock n' roll in the past 40 years, but the one song he's best known for is a pretty standard acoustic ballad. I kind of get why, but it's disheartening when you've seen all that he's done in comparison.
Really? I don't know... Tom's name could come up and I'd have at least a half dozen songs of his instantly in mind.

Which song are you referring to? I'm wanting to guess "Free Falling."
Yeah, "Free Fallin'". Obviously, he has plenty of other hits, but I've had to convince at least 2 people to give his music more of a chance after only really being exposed to it.

Thin Lizzy's another one who are mostly recognized for just one song that hardly showcases their talents. I don't hate "The Boys Are Back in Town" either, but I can name a lot of their songs which are much stronger.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: talonmalon333 on September 17, 2014, 09:55:41 PM
That reminds me of something...

I think A Sky Full of Stars is Coldplay's weakest song. It's not bad, but it's more generic than the rest of their music.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on September 17, 2014, 10:08:52 PM
Coldplay has non-generic songs?
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: talonmalon333 on September 17, 2014, 10:10:50 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on September 17, 2014, 10:08:52 PM
Coldplay has non-generic songs?

Yep. They've written some quite good ones.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on September 17, 2014, 10:15:57 PM
I dunno, they've always struck me as an even more commercial Radiohead, and I'm not much for Radiohead to begin with.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: talonmalon333 on September 17, 2014, 10:35:29 PM
I think they've written better songs in the past than they have in more recent years.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Nel_Annette on September 17, 2014, 10:39:38 PM
Coldplay has plenty of fantastic songs, it's just that people consistently shit on them. Though I like "A Sky Full Of Stars".
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on September 17, 2014, 10:44:59 PM
I remember them playing "Yellow" live on TV once and the distorted guitars were almost completely gone. No idea why they sanded off the edges of their one loud song for.

I still think that's their best song, like "High & Dry" is for Radiohead. At least Coldplay admits they're better at pop than alternative.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: talonmalon333 on September 17, 2014, 10:47:34 PM
X&Y is one of Coldplay's better albums, I think. I will admit though, as a whole, I'm not actually their biggest fan. But I quite like them.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Nel_Annette on September 17, 2014, 10:57:28 PM
Brothers And Sisters
Don't Panic
Yellow
Trouble
Politik
The Scientist
Daylight
A Rush Of Blood To The Head
White Shadows
Talk
42
Yes
Viva La Vida
Violet Hill
Life In Technicolor II
Major Minus
Princess Of China
Another's Arms

All good tracks that I'd easily recommend. I honestly think the band gets waaaay too much shit thrown their way, though I'm not a superfan of them. But I do think it's a shame to just dismiss them entirely as so many do.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Rynnec on September 17, 2014, 11:33:43 PM
I think I'd like Coldplay's songs more if they were just instrumentals.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on September 19, 2014, 12:30:29 AM
y'no, I try to not talk about Miley Cyrus on here, but this is really fucking stupid (http://www.mediaite.com/online/miley-cyrus-under-fire-for-desecrating-mexican-flag-with-her-butt/).
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on September 19, 2014, 12:32:45 AM
She tries way too hard.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: talonmalon333 on October 07, 2014, 04:10:39 PM
Now I know why I don't think Sky Full of Stars is one of Coldplay's better songs. It was co-wrote and co-produced by Avicii.

Seriously, Avicii has some majorly generic songs.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on December 24, 2014, 12:27:24 PM
Is it just me, or do people like to write out Lennon's abusive history?
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Nel_Annette on December 24, 2014, 12:42:05 PM
People like to write out Lennon's abusive history. His death was tragic, and I do like quite a few of his songs, but people really do tend to downplay that part whenever they muse about him, which is why I've never been a massive fan of his. For all his talk of love and peace, he kind of does come off as a bit of a cock in old interviews, as much as it pains me to say so.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Avaitor on December 24, 2014, 10:47:34 PM
Yeah, reading up on Lennon really makes me start to dislike him a bit. He has wonderful music, but as a person? There's a reason that "Imagine" never sat well with me.

But I also really like Miles Davis' music, and he was probably even more of a shitbag.
Title: Re: You know what bothers me?
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on December 24, 2014, 10:53:06 PM
Lennon was a very angry man for most of his life. I heard that his private life was starting to turn around at the end (found God, reconnected with his son, started to enjoy making music again, and was just more pleasant overall), but we'll never really know how far he was to really turning it around because of what happened and the fact that Yoko has lied a lot about him in more ways than one.

That said, a lot of his solo stuff is hard for me to listen to because he's just so snotty and arrogant in a lot of it.

Still, he's no Cobain in that area. I can't even listen to Nirvana anymore.