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Title: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on March 10, 2011, 05:56:21 PM
Yeah, I can't believe it either (http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/03/10/teennick-goes-retro-with-90s-programming-exclusive/)

It took freaking long enough. Now to wait for Rocko, Doug, and other old classics to make their way to the block.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on March 10, 2011, 08:08:09 PM
Oh damn, All That and Clarissa?

Sold.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on March 10, 2011, 08:18:35 PM
This is all classic Nick fans ever wanted, really. I'm glad Nick finally answered them.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on March 10, 2011, 10:26:13 PM
Words cannot describe the excitement that this news has brought to me. I do believe that I have just pissed my pants.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on March 22, 2011, 08:57:12 PM
Don't feel like making another thread for this, but Shout is making 3 more DVD releases for Nick soon- AAAHH!! Real Monsters, Hey Arnold!, and Danny Phantom.

I'll definitely consider the first two(provided we actually get all 20 episodes of HA!'s first season in it's release, not just the first 13), but they're not as high of a priority for me as Rocko is.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on March 22, 2011, 09:18:26 PM
If they just get Doug and Beavers out there as well, then I'll be all set!
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Daxdiv on March 22, 2011, 10:46:01 PM
So getting Monsters and Arnold. I guess it was about time, considering the nostalgia trend tends to work better with a 20 year gap between them, and those shows are within that time frame to make it work to their advantage.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on March 24, 2011, 04:05:34 PM
I still don't get Danny Phantom being thrown in the mix. It isn't "old" by any means, and doesn't fit the 90's nostalgic vibe like the rest of these do.

Whatever, it's fine. Can't wait to buy the Rocko and Arnold sets. I've come this close to buying the burn-on demand sets through Amazon, but those absurd price tags have always turned me off from following through. Now I'm glad I didn't; we'll get actual retail releases for half the cost, and maybe even special features to boot. Hot damn.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on March 24, 2011, 04:25:44 PM
DP has a bit of a cult following, so that's why it will get a set.

Or it did. I think that kind of died out after the show ended and fans realized how mediocre it was. There still seems to be some kind of following for a DVD release though, so I can see why it's getting one.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on March 25, 2011, 01:39:09 PM
Yeah, I'm not too into DP myself, but the more releases the better.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on May 09, 2011, 03:21:26 PM
Hey Arnold! (http://tvshowsondvd.com/news/Hey-Arnold-Season-1/15370) and Angry Beavers (http://tvshowsondvd.com/news/Angry-Beavers-Seasons-1-and-2/15375) confirmed.

I'm not an Angry Beavers fan, so I'll pass on that, but I think I'll buy Arnold. I told myself I only would if it got a real first season set and not just the first 13 episodes. The former seems to be the case, so I'm just about sold.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on May 09, 2011, 06:11:12 PM
Angry Beavers is my jam. 26 episodes is great too, considering the first season isn't as good as the rest of them.

So what shows are left?
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on May 09, 2011, 06:28:43 PM
From what they name dropped, Real Monsters and Danny Phantom could use a release date, and there's plenty more they can announce.

Looks like a good selection so far.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Neomysterion X. Prime on May 10, 2011, 03:57:59 AM
This is very grand news indeed!
Has been ages since I've watched Hey Arnold! and The Angry Beavers!

Any shows left? Possibly Doug, Kablam, and CatDog if you ask me... as well as Oh Yeah! Cartoons.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on May 13, 2011, 11:55:33 PM
Aww yeah, definitely going to pick up the Beavers set. It's been too long; five years too long, in fact. Love that show.

Quote from: Desensitized on May 09, 2011, 06:11:12 PM
So what shows are left?
Other than Rugrats (apparently, Shout couldn't secure the rights for this; if we get anything, it'll be from Paramount) and Doug (not sure; haven't heard anything), not much else. Depending on who you ask, I guess you could throw CatDog (whaaaaatever) in the mix as well.

Everything else is borderline obscure, and probably not something that'll factor into the long term plans of this contract. There were rumors of an upcoming Rocket Power DVD set (as part of the Amazon DVD-R deal) last summer, but that was apparently nixed. As far as I'm concerned, they might as well keep it that way; Rocket Power sucks. It's bad enough that we've already got one dog in the Shout lineup (Thornberries) that probably won't sell; we don't need anything else dragging down the sales figures.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on May 14, 2011, 12:02:45 AM
Oh yeah, there's Doug. Rugrats will probably have a special set (there must be a reason Shout couldn't get it) for the official anniversary, though honestly I just want the pre-movie stuff.

Other than that, all the A-listers are coming to DVD and that's awesome.

Now if only CN would be smarter about their sets and Disney would finish theirs.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on May 16, 2011, 03:50:55 PM
I have to say that the reason that Shout's execs say that Nick won't give them the fully uncut masters of Rocko is bullshit.

They think that the show's raunchier moments don't fit their more PC programing? Please, iCarly and Victorious get away with just about as much as Rocko did on a daily basis, and those are two of their highest rated shows. And I severely doubt that the DVDs will bring new fans of the show. These are going to be bought by the people who grew up watching it on Nick and want to see it as they remember it, with everything intact.

It's stupid. I'm still buying the DVD, but I'm not too happy.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on May 16, 2011, 08:56:39 PM
Yeah, but I'm still more inclined that Nick is at fault here, and not Shout.

Honestly, look at Shout's track record; rarely, if ever, do they try and cut corners on their releases. Most of the time, if not ALL of the time, they give the fans what they want. The fact that these Nicktoons sets are probably going to be... ahem, less than desirable, is something I put more on Nick than I do on Shout. I've always viewed present-day Nickelodeon as a soulless entity with shitty business practices anyhow (come on, dropping the iconic Splat logo for a boring piece of font? Fuck you, Cyma Zarghami), and this situation looks to be no different.

...and, let us not forget; Paramount probably has some kind of say in what is going on here as well (they are the ones sublicensing the rights to Shout, as far as I know), and they are about as bad as any DVD company can possibly get. Look at what they did with Ren & Stimpy; they were screaming until the cows came home about how those DVD's were "uncut", when over half of the episodes had missing material. Case and point; Paramount sucks, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if they were part of the problem here.

Up to this point, Shout Factory has never steered me wrong. I'd hate to think that once they finally got their hands on the coveted Nicktoons library, they all of a sudden kicked their mission statement right out the door, only to become as inconsistent (WHV) or as fucking useless (Paramount) as just about every other DVD company in existence. I hate to sound like some kind of company spokesman here, but I'm way more convinced Nick/Paramount are the ones dropping the ball, in this case. If Shout really had access to uncut masters and bonus material, I'm more than sure they'd deliver.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on May 16, 2011, 09:10:22 PM
Oh, I'm not blaming Shout at all. I even believe their reasoning for why Nick won't let them have the uncut versions. As far as I'm concerned, this is entirely Nick's fault, and they need to realize that these DVDs are going to be bought by the adults/older teens that grew up watching these shows as kids, and not the kids in the demographics they aim for now.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on May 16, 2011, 09:30:11 PM
Ah, sorry I misread you there.

...and yeah, Nick needs to realize that these DVD's are going to be mostly bought by the 90's nostalgia crowd, but I guarantee you, that isn't who they're going to target them towards. As I'm sure you know, a lot of stores devote an entire section of their DVD shelves to Nickelodeon productions; Target and Best Buy, especially. I'm sure Nick's thinking here is that they can slide Rocko and Hey Arnold right amongst Dora and Spongebob, and all the busybody soccer moms looking for a virtual babysitter will pick those up along the way, based solely on the Nickelodeon brand-name. Why only target the 90's nostalgia crowd, when you can also target ignorant parents with a steady paycheck?

It's unfortunate, but just like practically every other megacorporation in the world, their bottom-line is the all mighty dollar. There's more cash to be had in pandering these releases to a general audience, as opposed to a niche audience... and in order for these to be general audience friendly, they need to be as clean and tame as possible. I wouldn't be surprised if that scene in Hey Arnold where Helga utters the word "crap" is also cut, among other things.

This is all Nick's fault. There is really nobody else to blame here but them. Until someone else is put into a position of power within that organization (someone that, perhaps, grew up with these shows, and is a fan themselves), we'll never get uncut DVD's. Hell, now that I think about, we'll probably never get Rocko uncut anyway, though; the "no-tell Motel" scene from "Road Rash" was taken out over 15-years ago, and an uncut master probably doesn't even exist anymore. I'm sure Nick burned it at the first chance they got.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on May 17, 2011, 02:45:05 PM
Yeah, one of the things that the rep from Shout said on their forums was that Nick wasn't aiming these at the older crowd and never were. They're aiming these at younger audiences, which is why they aren't getting uncut material for usage in the sets.

Which is stupid.

Not getting any of the creators of the original shows to have any input is also stupid, but it's obviously because they don't see these releases as more than simple product, a horrible viewpoint to have on your own back catalog.

The 90s were an important period of their existence, and seeing them not embrace the rather large audience that wants whatever they have for them is beyond bizarre. It's backwards ass thinking. Kids grow up, sure. But why wouldn't you want to have the business of kids and their parents on top of it? From purely a business standpoint, this still makes no sense.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on May 17, 2011, 05:10:11 PM
I don't see why companies like Nick and Disney realize that nostalgia could be a big seller for them. I mean, Nick is slowly starting to embrace that with the Hot Topic stuff and these DVDs, but even the merch isn't done that well and the DVDs aren't marketed right at all. They're trying to sell these for today's kids, which is why they won't be getting much bonus features and some won't be released uncut, but they're not getting promotion.

That's just stupid.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on June 14, 2011, 03:26:42 PM
Danny Phantom's next. (http://tvshowsondvd.com/n/15509)

No interest whatsoever (although the first is the best), but great for fans.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2011, 04:44:42 PM
Good for the fans, I guess. I was never too big on this show, even though I tried.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on June 21, 2011, 05:01:47 PM
Just read Speedy's Rocko review. It sucks that the DVD doesn't do the show justice and it's edited a little, but I'm still happy to get the show on a retail release.

I don't think I'll be buying it for a little while, though. Strapped for cash now, and the little bit I have I'm saving for my friend's birthday gift. I'll try to get it before my birthday, but if not, I'll just ask for it as a gift or buy it with whatever cash I get then.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on June 21, 2011, 05:07:04 PM
Well, that was bound to happen with Nick not giving Shout Factory any of the uncut masters or letting Joe Murray participate. At least it's out there for a good price and isn't terrible.

I still think Nick could be treating this stuff with more respect.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Lord Dalek on June 22, 2011, 10:21:51 AM
A best of Double Dare set would rock my socks.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on June 22, 2011, 02:55:39 PM
I'd hit that up as well.

But for now, Real Monsters and CatDog are confirmed. The former I might get, the latter I won't.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on June 22, 2011, 09:51:54 PM
As I mentioned over on TZ, you take what you can get with these guys. This is Nickelodeon we're talking about; sans Spongebob (and Nick Jr. properties, to a lesser extent), they've never put any value whatsoever into the home video market. The fact that they're even doing this now is a miracle in itself, even if the sets do kinda suck.

I'll get around to buying it, at some point. Special features or not, it'll still be nice to finally have Rocko on DVD.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Eddy on July 01, 2011, 09:53:23 AM
Not happy at all to hear how poorly Nick is treating the release of Rocko. Really, how stupid can they be aiming these at the younger crowd? The people buying these are people who grew up with the show. Take Cartoon Network's full series release of The Powerpuff Girls, for example. They knew who would be buying that. They included a documentary about the origins of the show and included the original Whoopass Girls shorts. These we made with the older viewer in mind.

I'm glad Rocko's getting a DVD release but I'm still pretty pissed off at Nick over this.

I might get some of the other DVDs, but Rocko is easily priority one for me. I will not be getting Danny Phantom because I really never cared for the series (or Butch Hartman in general, to be honest). Never liked Catdog either, so that one is a pass.

I'd want a DVD release of Doug but that might be a legal mess. Does Disney still have the rights to Doug?
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on July 01, 2011, 11:12:50 AM
Disney owns their episodes, and Nick owns theirs. Since Nick was able to put all of Doug on their MOD service (a couple of episodes in the last season aside- why, I still don't get), they should be able to put it out on DVD.

And yeah, there's no reason to aim these releases at anyone but the people who grew up watching these shows. Also, I wonder if the resurgence of Nigel Thornberry has helped to rise the sales for the Wild Thornberrys' set.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: ToonFaithful on July 04, 2011, 12:06:44 AM
...It's sad that this block is probably gonna last about two months. Better than nothing though, glad they're listening to fans.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on July 25, 2011, 06:33:49 PM
Well, if nothing else, season 2 of Wild Thornberrys (http://tvshowsondvd.com/n/15714) is happening.

Looks like these are a success so far.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on July 25, 2011, 06:41:13 PM
As long as we get the rest of the originals (specifically Rocko) and Angry Beavers, that's good enough for me.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on July 25, 2011, 06:45:21 PM
(http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/668-nigel-thornberry.jpg)

I'll be more comfortable when Rocko/Hey Arnold/Beavers/etc. Seasons 2 sets are announced, but this is OK. At least it shows they're not planning to abandon these releases yet... and if they're going through with another Thornberrys set, the others really shouldn't be that far behind (after all, one would naturally assume the Thornberrys would end up as the weakest seller of this announced group, but apparently the first set did do well enough to warrant a second).
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on July 25, 2011, 06:52:12 PM
The first Angry Beavers set has season 1 and 2, since they make up 26 episodes by themselves. But season 3 is 22 and 4 is 15 (why does this show have such awkward season runs?) so I don't know how they'll handle those.

I hope we make it to the final volume so we can get the unaired finale.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on July 25, 2011, 06:52:27 PM
Thornberrys was fairly popular though. True, it wasn't as huge as Rugrats or SpongeBob, but it did get two films released in theaters, even though one of which was a Rugrats crossover. The movie even did better than Arnold did.

But I do agree that there probably wasn't as big of a demand for it compared to the other show's they're putting out or could release. Still, I'd think that it would outdo CatDog or even Real Monsters.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on July 25, 2011, 07:05:26 PM
Quote from: Desensitized on July 25, 2011, 06:52:12 PM
The first Angry Beavers set has season 1 and 2, since they make up 26 episodes by themselves. But season 3 is 22 and 4 is 15 (why does this show have such awkward season runs?) so I don't know how they'll handle those.

I hope we make it to the final volume so we can get the unaired finale.
Ahah, that's right; I forgot that Angry Beavers had both of the first two seasons in the up-coming set. Moi mistake.

...as far as that unaired finale goes, was that episode even animated and finished? I know the voice acting was all pre-recorded (as seen here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPP4zUDuo4c)), but there doesn't seem to be any trace of this episode actually being finished beyond that; at least, as far as I can see, anyway.

Given that Nick has creative control over what goes into these releases, though, I highly doubt we see any evidence of the finale, animated or otherwise, on the theoretical Season 4 set. Nick didn't want anyone to see it the first time, so I doubt they'll let anyone set it now. But, we'll see I guess.

Quote from: Avaitor on July 25, 2011, 06:52:27 PM
Thornberrys was fairly popular though. True, it wasn't as huge as Rugrats or SpongeBob, but it did get two films released in theaters, even though one of which was a Rugrats crossover. The movie even did better than Arnold did.

But I do agree that there probably wasn't as big of a demand for it compared to the other show's they're putting out or could release. Still, I'd think that it would outdo CatDog or even Real Monsters.
Eh... I dunno. Personally, I think Nick tried to push that show a bit harder on its viewing audience than a few others, mainly because of its "edutainment undertones". I mean, was there really THAT much of a demand for one movie, let alone two? I never thought it was that popular.

...of course, you do make a good point; it did out-perform the Hey Arnold movie, which, in itself, had a pathetic run at the box office. Maybe I'm underestimating the clout that the Thornberrys had back then. Hmm...
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on July 25, 2011, 07:10:43 PM
I have yet to actually meet anyone in real life who liked the Wild Thornberries... if they even knew what it was. Hey Arnold I always assumed was more niche, so it didn't surprise me when the movie didn't exactly light the world on fire. They should have just did a Rocko movie, that probably would have done better than either of them.

Speaking of Rocko, did we ever learn why it was never picked up for a final season? It seems strange that it never made the 65 episode limit of the time despite its popularity.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on July 25, 2011, 07:11:12 PM
I do know a fair amount of people who watched Thornberrys back then, but a lot of those were kids who would watch anything on Nick but the really weird stuff like Zim. And if Nigel becoming a meme in the way he did means anything, enough people must clearly have liked the show enough to remember it.

But I always kind of thought that Nick did push it more than kids were buying, though. I could barely sit through the show back then, unless nothing better was on CN or something. Even then, it lasted a good while, almost 100 episodes I think, and got a lot of merch. Someone must have really liked the show for them to continue selling it for that long.

And I even ended up seeing that movie.

Quote from: Desensitized on July 25, 2011, 07:10:43 PM
Speaking of Rocko, did we ever learn why it was never picked up for a final season? It seems strange that it never made the 65 episode limit of the time despite its popularity.
I actually read up on that a while ago. Apparently Joe decided to take a hiatus after the fourth season so he can focus on his real life. I think his wife just had a kid at that point. But Nick decided to end the show outright instead.

Or something to that extent. Ah well, Hillenberg got to end up selling SpongeBob since he didn't have to work on Rocko, so that worked out in his favor.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Katie Holt on July 26, 2011, 04:52:18 AM
Quote from: Desensitized on July 25, 2011, 07:10:43 PM
I have yet to actually meet anyone in real life who liked the Wild Thornberries... if they even knew what it was.
I did, but seeing it now it doesn't exactly hold up.

QuoteHey Arnold I always assumed was more niche, so it didn't surprise me when the movie didn't exactly light the world on fire. They should have just did a Rocko movie, that probably would have done better than either of them.
Well, the failure of the Hey Arnold movie killed future plans that Craig Bartlett had, including (but not limited to) a spinoff series centering on the Pataki family and one final season of Hey Arnold itself. He had everything perfectly planned out and to this day he's kinda ticked it didn't work out.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Neomysterion X. Prime on July 28, 2011, 11:30:33 PM
I'm currently watching the block right now, and it's a decent start to a good vintage Nick network. Viacom has all sorts of good vintage teen sitcoms, sketch comedies, game shows, and Nicktoons, and more that should air in rotation.

I missed watching All That, hasn't been since 2005 or something since the last time I watched an episode of that show. I could remember Nickelodeon airing Kenan and Kel for some odd time in late 2007 or 2008 (completely forgot, but I do recall Nick airing that show somewhere around then).

...and I do remember Nick airing Legends of the Hidden Temple back in May 2007 or around then. I didn't mind short blasts into the past with all of these occurences and the old Nick Rewind block that Nick had every Sunday at 1PM with vintage Nicktoons like Ren & Stimpy, Aaahh!!! Real Monsters, and even Rocket Power. :P

Since I'm a night owl type, I hope that this new programming block really does last a long time for anyone raised in the 90s or any kid who wants to experience the 90s.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on July 29, 2011, 10:11:46 AM
Yeah, they've been doing little tests here and there over the years on regular Nick. There was that block, which only had Nicktoons as votable options, even some like Teenage Robot, and the brief Legends run you mentioned. Not to mention a couple of tries for Rugrats and even a brief Doug run as well. Oh, and the DVDs and Hot Topic stuff.

The funny thing is that even though kids today aren't interested, it often seems like older viewers keep up with these things. There's always been a market to bring back the old shows, and it seems like Nick's finally catching on.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on July 29, 2011, 01:15:30 PM
Too bad CN isn't also catching on.  :humhumhum:

Ah well; we've still got 9-more years left in this decade. Hopefully at some point, everybody'll decide to jump on the 90's nostalgia bandwagon like Nick seems to have.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on August 09, 2011, 05:04:25 PM
Two things here.

1- Hey Arnold's out today. Anyone bought it yet? If I get some more money in the next few days, I'll pick it up. Was considering buying either it or The Fox and the Hound, which also came out this week, but I'd rather get Arnold for now.
2- Definite confirmation for Wild Thornberrys S2. (http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Wild-Thornberrys-Season-2-Part-1/15781)
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on August 09, 2011, 05:37:37 PM
1. Yeah, I went out and bought the Hey Arnold set this morning; $20 at Walmart. Haven't broken into it yet, though, but I'll probably watch some later tonight.

2. So... looks like pretty much every major set from here on out (those with more than 13-episodes) is being broken into two-parts. That's... pretty gross, I must say. I guess this is better than the project being shelved altogether, but still, I'm pretty disappointed. It'll just end up costing us more money down the line, and will probably hurt the overall sales, as a whole (breaking up the sets like this is more than bound to turn off a few people, I'm sure).
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on August 09, 2011, 05:42:20 PM
It depends on how many episodes are in a season, I guess. I'd rather not buy 40 episodes at one time, and wouldn't mind just getting half at a time, but there's only like 20 or 30 episodes in a season, just suck up the extra price hike and pay up.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on August 09, 2011, 05:47:18 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on August 09, 2011, 05:42:20 PM
It depends on how many episodes are in a season, I guess. I'd rather not buy 40 episodes at one time, and wouldn't mind just getting half at a time, but there's only like 20 or 30 episodes in a season, just suck up the extra price hike and pay up.

:srs:

Nah, but really; that's no problem on my end. I'm willing to spend a little extra on this kind of stuff, as long as the sets are complete. My main issue with this decision is that it'll just end up hurting the overall sales totals (especially amongst the casual fans/impulse buyers), which will, in turn, cause Shout to potentially shelve the project altogether.

Obviously I want all of these sets to sell; even the lame(er) ones like CatDog and The Wild Thornberries. Their success is pretty much dependent on whether we get any potential new offerings down the road (Doug, Rugrats, Clarissa, etc.).
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on August 09, 2011, 06:00:59 PM
Yeah, I hate the whole "part season" releases for shows like this, especially considering what ended up happening to something like Gargoyles which never got the last volume out because of it.

They could at least give the shows a better chance at success if they would release the parts on the same day.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on August 11, 2011, 05:17:23 PM
http://skyfireaboveicebelow.tumblr.com/post/8767377476/twenty-years-ago-this-day-the-first-three

So yeah, happy birthday, Nicktoons!
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on August 11, 2011, 05:50:41 PM
Tommy would be old enough to drink now!

But yeah, hard to believe how much things have changed since the originals premiered. I definitely wouldn't have for-seen all that happened to the channel since as a kid.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on August 11, 2011, 08:13:02 PM
It's incredible, isn't it? Hard to believe that it's been 20 whole years since these three shows, and the brand name as a whole, burst onto the scene. It's just too bad that Nick isn't choosing to celebrate this occasion at all; they really missed a great opportunity to finally give us a Complete Series DVD set of Rugrats (or Doug, for that matter).

...but, well, that's perhaps a rant best saved for another day. In the meantime; happy birthday, Nicktoons!  ;D
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on August 12, 2011, 02:43:26 PM
Got into some cash by selling some of my old books today, and I decided to use some of it to buy the HA set. I haven't watched it yet, but I'll try to get through it soon.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on August 12, 2011, 06:42:58 PM
Yeah, I broke into mine the other day. Just getting finished up with Disc 1; I'd say my favorite episodes so far are "Stoop Kid" and "The Baseball".

It's interesting, watching some of these early episodes. The animation looks different than I remember; I don't know if it's just me, but things don't really look the same. Especially Arnold; his head looks smaller in Season 1 (something weird I've noticed; not sure if anyone else sees it or not).

Ah well, it's still fun. I've always loved this show, but I can see how it became sort of an "acquired taste" in having a niche audience; it is a bit slower than the other Nicktoons of that time. Still a great series, though.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on August 23, 2011, 12:32:02 PM
In what looks to be our last Nicktoons DVD set until October, Seasons 1 and 2 of The Angry Beavers arrives in stores everywhere today.

Anyone plan to pick this up? I probably won't make it down to Walmart until tomorrow, as I have to go out then anyway, but it's definitely in the cards. Really looking forward to watching this again; it was always one of my favorite Nicktoons growing up, so it'll be interesting to see how well its aged, all these years later.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on August 23, 2011, 12:38:23 PM
Not enough money, and it's not one of my favorites, so I have to pass for now. I hope it does well, though.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on August 24, 2011, 10:29:00 PM
Actually, my math was a bit incorrect in that last post. We are getting one Nicktoon set in September: Season 1 of Danny Phantom, which had totally slipped my mind.

...honestly though, does anyone here even care about that one? I'm willing to support these Nicktoons releases through thick and thin, in so many words, but even I have my limits. I mean, I hate this show; always have, always will. It's a pathetic effort by Hartman trying to be all "LOL SRS BUZINESS" that just fails miserably, because you can't actually take any of the themes in this show seriously (especially the animation style, and how it's exactly like FOP, where these characters can fit so seamlessly into that universe). And in typical Hartman fashion, it's also painfully unfunny when it tries to a comedy. It simply fails on all accounts, and I just can't see myself spending any kind of actual money on it.

I bought the Thornberrys set (which, I don't hate; I just find incredibly boring, sans Nigel), and I've even mulled over the idea of buying CatDog... but this? Nope. Unfortunately, this is where I draw the line. I just hope that if this set doesn't do well, it won't drag the others down with it.

...anyway, I bought the Beavers set today, and watched about 3-4 episodes of it earlier. I'll post my thoughts about it in that show's respective thread later on.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on August 24, 2011, 10:48:12 PM
Yeah, not getting Phantom. Always thought AmDrag was better in every single way, even rewatching that now.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Rynnec on August 24, 2011, 11:34:49 PM
Quote from: Kiddington on August 24, 2011, 10:29:00 PM
Actually, my math was a bit incorrect in that last post. We are getting one Nicktoon set in September: Season 1 of Danny Phantom, which had totally slipped my mind.

...honestly though, does anyone here even care about that one? I'm willing to support these Nicktoons releases through thick and thin, in so many words, but even I have my limits. I mean, I hate this show; always have, always will. It's a pathetic effort by Hartman trying to be all "LOL SRS BUZINESS" that just fails miserably, because you can't actually take any of the themes in this show seriously (especially the animation style, and how it's exactly like FOP, where these characters can fit so seamlessly into that universe). And in typical Hartman fashion, it's also painfully unfunny when it tries to a comedy. It simply fails on all accounts, and I just can't see myself spending any kind of actual money on it.

Eh, if season 2 gets released on DVD then maybe I'll buy it, maybe .

Most of the problems of the show can be traced back to creative differences between Butch Hartman and Steve Marmel (who wanted the show to take a more serious turn). Hartman won out, and it all went downhill from there.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on August 25, 2011, 06:24:25 PM
Whoa.

According to Joe Murray's Facebook, not only is season 2 happening, but he's working on the cover, and there might even be legit bonuses. Super pumped now.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on August 25, 2011, 08:07:40 PM
I know this is gonna sound stupid, but... uh, could you provide a link?  :humhumhum:

Thing is, I hardly ever use Facebook, and I'm finding that there are too many people named Joe Murray to narrow it down to his. I've looked through about 10 accounts already, and none belong to him (and since you already have his on file, I was hoping you could post it here). For whatever reason, his blog also appears to be down right now, so I'm not getting through on that end either.

...anyway, awesome news, if it's really true. Is Nick finally ready to give the fans what they truly want, when it comes to these DVD sets? One can only hope.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Commode on August 25, 2011, 09:21:54 PM
https://www.facebook.com/JoeMurrayStudio?sk=wall

Interesting, while there are a lot of Joe Murrays on FB, his was the first hit for me(although I think having Avaitor and Jerry Beck as mutual friends had something to do with it).

Do you even have a FB account?  Not sure if you can even view his wall if you don't.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Daxdiv on August 25, 2011, 09:53:34 PM
Quote from: SNES Chalmers on August 25, 2011, 09:21:54 PM
Do you even have a FB account?  Not sure if you can even view his wall if you don't.

I don't think you can view the wall when you're signed out. I can view it on the browser I'm signed into FaceBook, but not the one I'm not signed in with.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on August 25, 2011, 11:03:00 PM
Quote from: SNES Chalmers on August 25, 2011, 09:21:54 PM
Do you even have a FB account?  Not sure if you can even view his wall if you don't.
Nope.  :awesome:

Well, that's not entirely true; I did make an account way back in 2009. Added a couple of friends, posted some stuff... then forgot about it. Haven't logged on in over two years or so. If I could find/remember the password (provided that the account even still exists; again, it's been over two years since I've last looked at it), I might decide to update it again and maybe add some of you guys for the heck of it... but honestly, I just don't like Facebook. Twitter is fun for me in posting random nonsense and what not, but I never really caught onto to its "other half", so to speak.

...anyway, for this purpose, I'll just log in with my brother's account (which, is usually what I do if I *need* to look at something news-related on Facebook). It'll work just as well.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on August 26, 2011, 12:21:18 AM
Yeah, if I was on, I would have linked to it myself. But I do follow Joe (http://www.facebook.com/#!/JoeMurrayStudio), and he did indeed say that.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Mr. Big on August 26, 2011, 01:02:15 AM
Here's his blog entry confirming that he is indeed working on the season 2 set.

http://joemurraystudio.com/518/august-25-2011/
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on August 26, 2011, 01:22:04 AM
Sounds great!

The cover art from the Season 1 set (which was just a transfer of the same art from the "Best of Volume 1" MOD set) is pretty lame, so I can't wait to see what he comes up with himself. The fact that they're also discussing special features is definitely excellent news in itself. A featurette/behind the scenes or two would suffice for me, but if we also get episode commentaries on top of all that (I'm thinking with Joe, Steve Hillenberg, couple of the other writers, and maybe Carlos Alazraqui or Tom Kenny), that'd be more than awesome.

Can't wait. Hopefully, we get a release date sometime soon. There was a six-month gap between the two Wild Thornberrys releases, so I'm thinking if that trend holds up here, we should get Season 2 of Rocko by December/January-ish.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on August 31, 2011, 08:26:29 AM
A Rugrats DVD set is, in fact, on the way... but it's not what you thiiiiink! (http://tvshowsondvd.com/n/15869)

Goddammit, Nick. Stop getting my hopes up for nothing.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on August 31, 2011, 10:52:56 AM
What the fuck.

The movie set they put out made sense. This does not.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on August 31, 2011, 03:57:12 PM
Optimistically, I'd like to believe that this is Nick's way of "testing the market", so to speak, in seeing how a new Rugrats DVD release would sell. Perhaps if this does well, they will be so inclined to give us bigger and better things.

...of course, I honestly can't imagine a set like this is really going to fly off the shelves, unless it's being targeted as just another "moms on the run" deal (like they've been doing with Spongebob releases for the past 10 or so years). The price is what really gets me here; $15, for what can't possibly be more than 5-6 episodes. Any way you slice it, that's a horrible value.

Meanwhile, on the other hand, that same $15 will buy you the entire 1st season of Rocko's Modern Life. You tell me which is the better deal.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on August 31, 2011, 04:03:09 PM
Well, that's just MSRP. It'll probably be only $10 or so at most retailers. That's a little better.

But I don't see this working out. Rugrats is all but a dead property to kids and soccer moms at this point, which is what discs like these are aimed for. Long-time fans, who would be more interested in buying the show, would much prefer season sets, or even the movies, which again, were recently rereleased in an affordable set.

Nick is probably going to be  disappointed with the sales, and you'll end up seeing this in the $5 bins by next year.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on September 25, 2011, 12:09:39 AM
So according to Leviathan in this (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showthread.php?232809-Amazon.com-Nicktoons-DVDs&p=3912549#post3912549) thread on TZ, Season 3 of Rugrats on DVD is on the way... via Amazon's MOD program.

Well shit. I guess it's something, but why do they INSIST on toying with us when it comes to this show? Every other old Nicktoon (sans Doug) is getting fair retail treatment from Shout, so why does Rugrats keep getting the short end of the stick?

Sucks, man. I really want this show on DVD, but I'm not paying that much for something so cheap and bare-bones. For $20? Yeah, I'd go for it. $40? Absolutely not.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on September 25, 2011, 06:08:31 PM
It really is totally weird that they aren't giving their old cash cow proper respect. It's the only one of the "big" Nicktoons from the 90s not getting a real DVD release despite being so huge on such an international scale.

I just don't understand it.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on September 25, 2011, 06:31:26 PM
You mean besides Doug.

And I don't get it either. The soccer mom approach won't work if the franchise is as dormant as it is.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on October 01, 2011, 05:28:59 AM
Here's the official press release for the two new Rugrats sets, if anyone cares. (http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Rugrats-Seasons-3-and-4/16001)

I guess if nothing else, they've at least got every season that's worth owning now available on some form of DVD (Season 3 was long overdue). Still highly disappointing, though.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on October 06, 2011, 03:34:57 PM
I've been so preoccupied lately that it completely slipped my mind that Season 1 of Aaahh Real Monsters is now available on DVD, and has been since Tuesday.

Sooooo... yeah; this set in the cards for anyone here? I'll probably pick it up myself next week, when I'll already be out of the house anyway (low on gas right now, and I don't feel like driving into town just for this). I would definitely consider this a must buy for me, though. Haven't seen this show in ages (a good five years, at least), and it always was one of my favorites growing up.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on October 06, 2011, 03:57:12 PM
I'm not buying anything for myself this week, on the odd chance that anything I do buy ends up being a birthday gift for me from someone else.

That said, I doubt someone's going to get me the set, so I'll probably end up getting it next week, if I have the money and WalMart's still carrying it.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on October 06, 2011, 05:23:25 PM
Season 2 of Hey Dude has been announced. (http://tvshowsondvd.com/n/16044)

Huh. Looks like this is coming before Season 2 of Rocko, meaning that they're not sticking with the same release order as the first time around.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on October 06, 2011, 05:25:23 PM
Hey, at least we know it's selling. Hopefully we can get Salute Your Shorts on DVD too, since I'd actually buy that.

BTW, why haven't you been posting on the other thread? Have you been noticing the changes to the block now?
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on October 13, 2011, 03:12:32 PM
So for whatever reason, the local Walmart's are NOT carrying the Season 1 set of Aaahh Real Monsters. Not sure if anyone else has been having this problem finding it (if you're even looking), but I've been to three different stores around Reno already, and not a single one had it. The worst part of it is, they actually have a place set aside for it on the DVD racks (priced at $15), but not a single copy exists at any of the stores I've been to. And of course, every single person I ask that works at these stores has their head up their ass, and doesn't provide even the slightest bit of help.

Has this set been recalled or shelved or something? This doesn't make any sense. I really don't want to have to use to Amazon for this one; I mean, if I can get it brick and mortar (for about the same price as online), that'll always be my preferred option.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on October 13, 2011, 06:54:00 PM
Yeah, can't find Real Monsters at my WalMarts myself.

Not a good sign.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Commode on October 13, 2011, 07:08:59 PM
I've seen them at Wal-Marts out here; I know the one on Military Highway definitely had the set in stock.  If you're really having that hard of luck finding it though, try F.Y.E.(if you have one, they're usually in malls), they have all the Nick sets there.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on October 13, 2011, 11:14:28 PM
Quote from: SNES Chalmers on October 13, 2011, 07:08:59 PM
I've seen them at Wal-Marts out here; I know the one on Military Highway definitely had the set in stock.  If you're really having that hard of luck finding it though, try F.Y.E.(if you have one, they're usually in malls), they have all the Nick sets there.

We don't, actually. The only DVD store in the mall here is Suncoast, and that really isn't an option for me (I don't shop there very often, obvious reason being that they're usually on the pricey side).

Eh... I'll probably give it one more shot next week when I'm in town again, but if they don't have it by that point, I'll just have to settle for Amazon. It isn't that big of a deal, since I do the lion's share of my DVD buying online anyway; I just prefer brick and mortar whenever possible, and it's a shame that they don't seem to be carrying this particular set (while the other Nicktoons sets that I already have are still available).
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on October 18, 2011, 02:35:41 AM
Walmart FINALLY had a copy of Real Monsters in yesterday, and I promptly picked it up for $15. I was about ready to cave and place an order online, but thankfully, they finally had it.

Didn't get a chance to break into it yet, though; 'twas busy most of the day. I'll probably watch a couple episodes later. It's been so long since I've seen this show, I'm almost not even sure what to expect, really. I remember liking it as a kid... but then again, I also liked CatDog as a kid, so that isn't exactly the best comparison to run off of.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on October 18, 2011, 09:34:07 AM
It really isn't that bad. The show's still entertaining today, even if it isn't on the level of Rocko.

I haven't picked the set up yet because I just can't afford it, but I'd gladly get it when I can.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on October 19, 2011, 11:45:03 AM
Joe Murray
Shout Factory, I should clarify, is the company distributing the Rocko DVD's. I just finished the cover art for season 2, and they are talking about doing the art for seasons 3 and 4, so hopefully we will get all of the episodes out there.
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:thumbup:

Also, Joe and Shout are trying to put the original "Trash-O-Matic" pilot on the season 2 DVD, complete with the yellow Rocko. He just pulled it out of his archives, so stay tuned.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on November 08, 2011, 08:15:23 PM
So not only do we know whatMurray's cover looks like (http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Rockos-Modern-Life-Season-2-Box-Art/16187) and when season 2 of Rocko is coming out, but the next Angry Beavers set is coming out a couple of weeks after that as well (http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Angry-Beavers-Season-3-Part-1/16186).

Good haul! ;D
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on November 08, 2011, 09:48:12 PM
Beautiful. Hope we get some special features with it as well (he sounded pretty positive that they were going to do some stuff, but it's hard to know for sure at this point).

Not surprised that they're breaking up the Angry Beavers set into two parts, given that the final two seasons had over 13 episodes in each. Kinda stinks that I have to buy that many more sets (in a time where I'm quickly running out of money due to my inability to find work), and not to mention it'll kinda clutter up my shelf as well... but, hey, as long as we get EVERY episode, who's complaining?
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on November 09, 2011, 02:02:49 PM
I wonder if we will get all the episodes. If Nick says 'No', then there's little Shout can do.

Love that Rocko art, though. I'm glad they were able to get Joe Murray on board for it finally.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Mr. Big on November 10, 2011, 08:43:02 AM
I hope the unaired pilot will be included in it.

I'm glad they got Joe to draw the cover. They should go back and have him draw the season 1 cover as well for the next printing (seriously, the season 1 box cover sucks)
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Mr. Big on November 21, 2011, 07:43:11 PM
Just an update. Season 2 DVD will have the unaired pilot. So there's that for bonus, at least.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on November 22, 2011, 03:21:39 AM
Great news; just saw that today myself. Here's the link, in case any of you desire "official" confirmation. (http://www.facebook.com/#!/JoeMurrayStudio/posts/1972617773661)

...as for Avaitor, he'll just have to settle for a transcript.  :P

QuoteJust found out that the the original Rocko Pilot episode ( with a yellow Rocko) I produced at my studio in Saratoga Ca, was approved by Nick to be included in the Season 2 Rocko's Modern Life DVD. Good news.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on January 06, 2012, 03:21:23 AM
Two new releases have been announced; CatDog, Season 1 Part 2 (http://www.shoutfactorystore.com/prod.aspx?pfid=5257682), and Hey Arnold, Season 2 Part 1 (http://www.shoutfactorystore.com/prod.aspx?pfid=5257678). Both are set arrive in March.

The good news; everything appears to be selling pretty well at this point (even CatDog, apparently), as every show included in the original deal now has at least one more volume on the way. The bad news; Hey Arnold officially joins the "split release" club, meaning that we're stuck with half season releases at a time from here on out. This also pretty much confirms that, if and when they ever do get to Season 3 and beyond, one season alone could ultimately end up being spread across as many as 3-4 separate volumes (the original Create Space set on Amazon was 6 total discs, and a few other later seasons also consisted of at least five discs a piece as well).

It's looking like these Nicktoons releases are going to be pretty cluttered in the long run, but still, I guess it's something. As long as they don't shelve any of these sets, and give us every episode of every season, I really can't complain.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on January 06, 2012, 10:55:32 AM
Aww, really? Lame.

I'll still get Arnold regardless, but I don't like having these shows have to fit so much space now. I mean, there's only 21 episodes of season 2, and the first was only $20 with just one episode less. You can't tell me that it's cheaper to cut that up in intervals instead of releasing the whole thing at once.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on January 09, 2012, 05:35:11 PM
Oh hey, if you follow the 90's Are All That page on FB, you can enter a contest to win the first sets of Hey Dude, Hey Arnold!, CatDog, and The Wild Thornberrys.

I already own HA! and don't really care for the other 3 shows enough to buy them, but I wouldn't mind owning them for free, and I could give away the Arnold set as a gift. But you guys should hit that up, too.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Foggle on January 09, 2012, 05:58:36 PM
We could hold a forum contest for the HA set if you won. :joy:
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on January 09, 2012, 06:00:40 PM
Yeah, I seen that earlier today as well. I'm considering it, though it doesn't make much sense from my collecting standpoint, given that I already bought all of these right around the time they were originally released (except for CatDog, but I don't give a damn about CatDog).

I guess I could always re-sell them on Craigslist or something if I did win, as these are becoming pretty hard to find around here (haven't seen Thornberrys or Rocko on store shelves for months). I dunno, we'll see. Really though, I wouldn't have much use for this.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Daxdiv on January 10, 2012, 12:56:29 AM
I just entered the contest for the fun of it. If I win, that saves me money. If not, I'll buy most of the shows anyway.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on January 10, 2012, 10:59:09 PM
Welp, I entered as well, just for the hell of it. Even if this prize is, for the most part, completely useless to me, I guess at the very least I can get CatDog without having to actually spend money on it (not that I even want it anyway, but whatever).

If by some miracle I do win, I'll probably either sell them, or just give them to someone. We'll see.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Commode on January 10, 2012, 11:18:45 PM
Have they come out with a Salute Your Shorts DVD yet?  Aside from the Rocko sets, that's the only one I'd care to own, honestly.  I already have Arnold in other ways, and have for a while, so unless they put out the later seasons out I don't even care about those releases.


But yeah, would totally buy a SYS set.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on January 10, 2012, 11:26:18 PM
Nope, they haven't.

Basically, the Shout Factory deal consists of the following:

The Wild Thornberrys
Rocko's Modern Life
Hey Arnold
Angry Beavers
Aaahh Real Monsters
CatDog

Doug, Rugrats, SYS, and pretty much anything else in between has not been announced, and probably won't be. As far as I can tell, it looks like this is it.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on January 11, 2012, 10:09:32 AM
Don't forget Hey Dude and Danny Phantom (not a 90's show at all, but Shout released it, so it counts).
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on January 13, 2012, 06:13:57 PM
Speaking of Danny Phantom (http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Danny-Phantom-Season-2-Part-1/16382), the next sets for it and Wild Thornberrys (http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Wild-Thornberrys-Season-2-Part-2/16381) have been announced.

No interest in these, but I do think it's shitty that they're cutting the sets up so much. $20 for 10 episodes? Puh-lease.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on January 13, 2012, 06:22:37 PM
Yeah, I think it's safe to say I'm done with the Thornberrys. I bought Season 1, and was as thoroughly bored and unimpressed with it as I was 10 years ago.

For $20 a season, I may have continued collecting them, but $40? For this? No thanks. I'll bite the bullet for Hey Arnold and Angry Beavers because I like those shows, but that's about as far as I go.

It really is a shame that they're screwing this up so badly. Normally I love Shout Factory, but their handling of the Nicktoons releases has been... well, less than adequate, to say the least. I still place part of the blame on Nick for being a bunch of dicks about special features and what all (creative control, I assume), but Shout themselves aren't really going the extra mile as far as packaging, convenience, or now even value is concerned.

...but, oh well. As I've been saying all along, I guess it's something. As long as they continue to release the shows I care about, I'll still find a way to buy them.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on February 10, 2012, 12:31:47 PM
So, I stumbled upon something kinda interesting at Walmart the other night that I figured I'd pass along. Basically, it appears as though Nick just recently re-released three movies on DVD that have been out-of-print for a while now; The Wild Thornberrys Movie, Jimmy Neutron, and Barnyard. The set is a movie 3-pack, very similar to the way they did the Rugrats movie bundle.

Here's the official listing on Amazon, if anyone's interested. (http://www.amazon.com/Nickelodeon-Three-Movie-Collection-Jimmy-Neutron/dp/B0056YMDXW/ref=sr_1_6?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1328898484&sr=1-6) Although I will say, the lone customer review is rather concerning, if the product actually is as defective as they say (wouldn't surprise me if it was, though; Nick just doesn't have it when it comes to DVD releases). I'm not really interested in this anyway, though; just though I'd pass it along for anyone else that might be.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on February 10, 2012, 12:41:07 PM
Huh, shame about that. It's not a bad idea, but it sucks that the set is crap.

I already own the Wild Thornberrys Movie and don't really care enough for the other two to own them, so it doesn't really concern me.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Foggle on February 10, 2012, 12:45:58 PM
Review seems legit.

http://reviews.walmart.com/1336/16784307/nickelodeon-3-movie-collection-barnyard-jimmy-neutron-boy-genius-the-wild-thornberrys-movie-widescreen-reviews/reviews.htm

This is hilarious in a terrible way.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on February 10, 2012, 12:52:44 PM
Wow.

What a way to completely botch an otherwise fine idea. I guess you can still buy it for the other two, since those still work (the Thornberrys movie, in particular, is pretty hard to find nowadays), but just... wow.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on February 10, 2012, 01:08:06 PM
Maybe it means side 2, meaning you have to flip the disc?

If not, that's just fucking stupid.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Foggle on February 10, 2012, 01:10:16 PM
They're single-sided discs.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Commode on February 10, 2012, 03:36:06 PM
Haha, that's funny.  It's a good thing that I don't care about any of those movies, but still you'd think that they would've just made the disc 2 sided.  Having half the movie on one disc and the other half on another or even on the other side of the disc is pretty unacceptable, and is something that should've died along with the VHS/cassette tape.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on February 10, 2012, 04:57:34 PM
Apparently, this has been out since November. November!

The fact that they still haven't fixed it by now is just so laughable. I mean, by all accounts, they've actually been printing faulty DVD's for at least three months now.

Leave it to Nick. Either they're that stupid, or they just don't give a shit.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on February 10, 2012, 06:35:09 PM
In more positive Nick DVD news, Aaahh!!! Real Monsters Season 2 has been announced, with a release date set for May 15th. (http://tvshowsondvd.com/n/16511)

Now this I WILL be getting... unless of course, they manage to screw that up as well.  :rtard:
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on March 31, 2012, 12:19:36 AM
I stopped over at Walmart after a party tonight, and saw that the next Hey Arnold! set is out. $15 for the first 10 episodes of season 2!

Which is way too much for my blood. I mean, for the same price, they had the first seasons of The Flintstones and Jetsons up, with 28 and 24 episodes respectively and tons of bonus features in both. I might finally go and buy one of them when I get a little more money, or season 2 of Rocko, which is down to $13 there. I'll just wait for Arnold to drop.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on April 01, 2012, 11:34:30 AM
Yeah, I'm still disappointed over the Angry Beavers Season 3 part one set with only like 11 episodes. Especially since for the same frickin' price is Season 1 & 2 with more than double the amount of content.

Shout could at least cut the price if they're gonna cut content.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on April 01, 2012, 11:38:40 AM
Really. Something else that annoyed me was that the Angry Beavers set was still there, but didn't have the same price cut as the Rocko one did. That's just bullshit.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on April 02, 2012, 07:51:47 PM
Rocko is probably about the only show Nick show I'd really be willing to overpay for (maybe Seasons 1-3 of Rugrats, if they ever decide to get around to it that is), assuming they screw up these sets like they have all the others.

Thankfully though, all four seasons of Rocko only had 13 episodes each, so I don't think we should have that problem here. They appear to only be doing this with the shows that had overly long production seasons (20 episodes or more). That could really be a mess for Hey Arnold in particular, though; Season 3 had 27 episodes, so I wouldn't be surprised to see that actually split over three different box sets.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on April 02, 2012, 08:27:55 PM
Oh yeah, did we ever learn why Nick denied Shout Factory the rights to make Rugrats sets? Everyone thought it was because they were planning something for the anniversary, but IIRC nothing came of that.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on April 02, 2012, 08:58:53 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 02, 2012, 08:27:55 PM
Oh yeah, did we ever learn why Nick denied Shout Factory the rights to make Rugrats sets? Everyone thought it was because they were planning something for the anniversary, but IIRC nothing came of that.

Nope, nothing. Looking over at Shout's forums, the only thing I can see is that Brian Ward (aka the only guy over there who's word actually means anything) just said that Nick wouldn't let them have the rights to Rugrats (or Doug), giving no explanation as to why.

It doesn't make any sense. If Nick wanted to do these set themselves, they really dropped the ball by missing the perfect opportunity last summer. I guess they could be waiting for the 25th anniversary in 2016 instead (since they probably don't have anything better to do in marking the occasion), but really, what sense does that make?
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Rynnec on May 05, 2012, 12:09:53 AM
So, the block is airing the second Rugrats Christmas special right now. Kinda odd, not only is it airing long after Christmas and a few moths before July, they aired it in two parts on seperate days.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on May 05, 2012, 12:22:25 AM
Yeah, they aren't skipping over the holiday specials like they normally would, for Rugrats and Arnold. They did for Doug and the other shows though.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Rynnec on May 05, 2012, 12:29:08 AM
If nothing else, then hopefully this means we'll get the Chanukah special. That one always gets ignored by Nicktoons during the Holidays.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on May 05, 2012, 12:38:41 AM
I think they passed over that, since they did skip a handful of episodes.

Heh, speaking of which, they did air the Passover episode, back in like December or January.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on May 27, 2012, 11:35:19 PM
Oh, I forgot to say, I went to Best Buy the other day and saw that they had a few copies of season 1 of Clarissa for $15. If you haven't already bought it, I'd recommend checking it out.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on May 28, 2012, 11:48:15 AM
Yeah, my Best Buy is already going down the toilet. I have no idea why, either. It just seemed to stop getting good stuff, and animation seems to be the hardest one cut.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on May 28, 2012, 01:56:19 PM
I remember reading that Best Buys all over might just remove all DVDs and CDs and rely primarily on selling cell phones and tech stuff.

They've already been cutting back on the CDs a bit, but I severely hope its not true.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Commode on May 28, 2012, 02:23:20 PM
I haven't been to a Best Buy in so long, last time was when I needed a part for the Sirius reciever in my car, but they've had the worst selection in everything for a while now(unless you want big ticket items like a washer or a TV).  The video games are a joke(gimme GameStop any day), nobody really buys CDs anymore(do they?) and all my DVDs usually come from places like FYE.  It was weird when it went from me going to Best Buy and buying a bunch of stuff to me going to Best Buy and only buying a Coke or a Vitamin Water, leaving unimpressed.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on May 28, 2012, 02:30:36 PM
I don't think I could ever go to FYE to get my main purchases. I'll check it out for used stuff and if I'm super desperate to find a harder to come by CD or DVD and don't want to revert to buying online, since they do tend to have a good selection compared to just about everywhere else, but their prices are shit. Who wants to pay MSRP?

For an example, the other day, I checked out their price for the new High on Fire album. $17 new, $10 used. I went to Best Buy right after, and saw that they had it for $10 new.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Rynnec on May 28, 2012, 02:35:51 PM
My town's Best Buy is the only place in town other than Hastings that has a decent selection of anime DVD's, and even that seems to be wanning. Their general cartoons section has already taken a hit.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Commode on May 28, 2012, 02:48:11 PM
Quote from: Brak's Dad on May 28, 2012, 02:30:36 PM
I don't think I could ever go to FYE to get my main purchases. I'll check it out for used stuff and if I'm super desperate to find a harder to come by CD or DVD and don't want to revert to buying online, since they do tend to have a good selection compared to just about everywhere else, but their prices are shit. Who wants to pay MSRP?

For an example, the other day, I checked out their price for the new High on Fire album. $17 new, $10 used. I went to Best Buy right after, and saw that they had it for $10 new.
Yeah, but I can't remember the last time I physically bought a CD.  I download pretty much all my music now, especially since it's so easy to just download it straight from my iPhone.

I don't buy DVD's much either, but I don't think they are more expensive than other places.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on May 28, 2012, 02:59:24 PM
We don't even have FYE here, and the Suncoast that was still clinging to life after all these years finally shut down a few months ago as well (replaced with a luggage shop; ugh). Hard to believe, but my DVD buying options are even more limited than they were at this time last year.

...and as far as Best Buy is concerned, I echo those statements, depending on what store I happen to be shopping at. The only Best Buy around here that still has a good selection is the one in South Reno, which, low and behold, happens to be the one that's furthest away from me. For whatever reason, that store still has a ton of stuff to look through; their DVD selection is huge by comparison. All of the others, though, are exactly what you described; mere half-aisles for DVDs, the video game section is terrible (they don't even carry strategy guides anymore) and that's about it. I swear, the smartphone area takes up over half the store in most cases.

It's really a shame. Collectors, such as myself, are always viewed as such a fringe minority anymore that none of the big box chains cater even a little to them, especially the ones that are technically supposed to. It's a sad day when the DVD section in Walmart actually dwarfs that of Best Buy.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Rynnec on May 28, 2012, 03:25:45 PM
The nearest FYE from where I live is all the way in Kansas City. I wasn't even aware that FYE existed until this thread tbh  :sweat:. We did have a Sam Goody in our mall though, but that shut down long before they changed to FYE (and of course, the SG in our mall was replaced by yet another clothing store.) Maybe I'll go check out FYE whenever my family goes out to Kansas City again.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on May 28, 2012, 03:42:51 PM
Ah, I miss Suncoast. We used to have one at our mall, but I was too young to really appreciate it when we had it. I'd love to get some anime and Crtierion stuff from there now.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on May 28, 2012, 07:35:33 PM
I still buy CDs. I simply won't do without physical copies unless it's too rare or expensive.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on May 28, 2012, 07:48:17 PM
There's nothing quite like owning the cases and reading the liner notes inside a CD or LP, really.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Daxdiv on May 28, 2012, 08:21:31 PM
I go to 2 different Best Buys. One that's near the college I used to go to and the one that's like 10 minutes from my house in the mall. Their DVD sections always looked like a stampede went through there. I can't find shit in both of those places. I feel more relaxed finding stuff in a Target than Best Buy.

As for FYE, I'm glad that it got replaced by some kids clothing store since that place over priced everything and I rarely bought things from there.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on June 02, 2012, 12:41:01 AM
Here's my starter post. (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showthread.php?295223-Avaitor-Presents-Nickelodeon-s-Top-20-Series-of-All-Time&p=4007939#post4007939)

The first 5 will be up shortly.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on June 02, 2012, 12:50:00 AM
 :swoon:
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on June 02, 2012, 01:25:53 AM
So we can expect Rocket Power at #1, correct?  :sly:

Seriously though, cool stuff. Looking forward to see what you come up with.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on June 02, 2012, 01:59:10 AM
Here's the first 5. (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showthread.php?295223-Avaitor-Presents-Nickelodeon-s-Top-20-Series-of-All-Time&p=4007958#post4007958)
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on June 02, 2012, 02:19:37 AM
Disagree wholeheartedly on Victorious. From what I've seen of it (which, admittedly, isn't a ton, given how much I didn't care for what I was watching to start) it's just as vapid as anything else to come out of the live-action pipeline within the last five or so years. IMO, it's iCarly selling CD's.

I suppose I could give it another chance, but honestly, Schneider's batting average over the past few years has been really mediocre (I've always hated iCarly, for reference). His stuff just really doesn't do it for me anymore, so I can't see my opinion changing on that one.

Rest of the list is good, though, even if Doug has personally soured on me lately. I kinda thought you'd put AYAOTD a little higher to be honest, but it's good where it's at.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on June 02, 2012, 02:22:08 AM
Eh, if you don't like iCarly, you probably won't like Victorious either, I'll just come out and say it. I mean, I like Schneider's stuff (Zoey 101 aside), but I can also understand why people don't. I'm not exactly alone either, since iCarly and Victorious have a surprisingly large fanbase outside of the demo.

And yeah, AYAOTD was originally higher than it ended up. Two spots higher, in fact, but I thought that there were other things that probably deserved being up there more.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Foggle on June 02, 2012, 10:32:43 AM
I still don't know how I feel about Zim. I really need to watch it again and figure out a verdict on it.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on June 02, 2012, 11:39:20 AM
I dunno, even if you like Victorious (I don't), it's still basically iCarly 2 with music instead of a bad web show.

IMO, it's too high- but a pretty good list so far!
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on June 02, 2012, 01:08:23 PM
Next set's up. (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showthread.php?295223-Avaitor-Presents-Nickelodeon-s-Top-20-Series-of-All-Time&p=4008140#post4008140)

And I just found out about the Double Dare revival. The hotel's like 2 hours away from me, so I'm going to try to convince some friends to go soon, since they just started it up.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Foggle on June 02, 2012, 01:22:30 PM
Great list so far, but I really cannot stand As Told by Ginger.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on June 02, 2012, 02:43:03 PM
As long as you at least agree that it's better than Rocket Power, All Grown Up and Wild Thornberrys (Nigel and Flea aside), that's all that matters.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Daxdiv on June 02, 2012, 06:11:43 PM
As Told by Ginger was probably one of my favorite Klasky Csupo production. I liked the concept behind it as well. Though the one episode of this show that will stick out for me will forever be "And She Was Gone" that one where Ginger writes a poem and everyone around her thinks she's suicidal, except for her Mom. I swear Ginger's Mom was probably the best TV mom ever. She trusted her kids. That and even as a kid I thought everyone over analyzed that poem of her. Years later, I still think they did but I can see where people in the show got that idea from.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on June 02, 2012, 06:15:57 PM
Quote from: Daxdiv on June 02, 2012, 06:11:43 PM
As Told by Ginger was probably one of my favorite Klasky Csupo production. I liked the concept behind it as well. Though the one episode of this show that will stick out for me will forever be "And She Was Gone" that one where Ginger writes a poem and everyone around her thinks she's suicidal, except for her Mom. I swear Ginger's Mom was probably the best TV mom ever. She trusted her kids. That and even as a kid I thought everyone over analyzed that poem of her. Years later, I still think they did but I can see where people in the show got that idea from.
You know I wrote about that one before, right? (http://animationrevelation.com/readables/?p=229)

If there were more episodes like that, I think Ginger would've been a much better show.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on June 02, 2012, 09:34:19 PM
Speaking of which, I just had AYAOTD added to Netflix (only the first season, though) and watched a bunch of it. It's definitely not perfect, but its heart is in the right place. Its especially welcome nowadays when all kid shows feature singing and dancing, tired school antics, and little else.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on June 02, 2012, 10:16:33 PM
We don't have AYAOTD on Netflix here, so you guys are lucky. You also have the complete series on DVD over there, as well.

Next 5's up. (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showthread.php?295223-Avaitor-Presents-Nickelodeon-s-Top-20-Series-of-All-Time&p=4008380#post4008380) What do you think, and do you have predictions for the top already?
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Foggle on June 02, 2012, 10:20:37 PM
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 02, 2012, 10:16:33 PM
do you have predictions for the top already?
I'm gonna' guess Fairly Odd Parents, The Amanda Show, Big Time Rush, Fred: The Show, Fanboy and Chum Chum.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on June 02, 2012, 10:21:24 PM
Quote from: Foggle on June 02, 2012, 10:20:37 PM
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 02, 2012, 10:16:33 PM
do you have predictions for the top already?
I'm gonna' guess Fairly Odd Parents, The Amanda Show, Big Time Rush, Fred: The Show, Fanboy and Chum Chum.
You forgot TUFF Puppy.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on June 02, 2012, 10:23:06 PM
God no, fuck that noise.

It's all about Mr. Meaty. :)
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Foggle on June 02, 2012, 10:23:38 PM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on June 02, 2012, 10:21:24 PM
Quote from: Foggle on June 02, 2012, 10:20:37 PM
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 02, 2012, 10:16:33 PM
do you have predictions for the top already?
I'm gonna' guess Fairly Odd Parents, The Amanda Show, Big Time Rush, Fred: The Show, Fanboy and Chum Chum.
You forgot TUFF Puppy.
I try very hard to forget TUFF Puppy.

Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 02, 2012, 10:23:06 PM
It's all about Mr. Meaty. :)
That show makes me physically ill. :srs:
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on June 02, 2012, 10:23:49 PM
If Rocko isn't #1... I don't know what I'll do to you, man.  :'(
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on June 03, 2012, 01:45:36 PM
Tada! (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showthread.php?295223-Avaitor-Presents-Nickelodeon-s-Top-20-Series-of-All-Time&p=4008827&posted=1#post4008827)
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Lord Dalek on June 03, 2012, 01:52:44 PM
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 03, 2012, 01:45:36 PM
Tada! (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showthread.php?295223-Avaitor-Presents-Nickelodeon-s-Top-20-Series-of-All-Time&p=4008827&posted=1#post4008827)
So the greatest Nickelodeon show of all time is some piece of new crap I've never watched.


FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAILLLLL.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on June 03, 2012, 01:55:16 PM
It's your fault for never watching it.

But yeah, in hindsight, Double Dare could've easily made it into the top 10. On another day, it would.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Lord Dalek on June 03, 2012, 02:01:40 PM
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 03, 2012, 01:55:16 PM
It's your fault for never watching it.

But yeah, in hindsight, Double Dare could've easily made it into the top 10. On another day, it would.
I'm just surprised Welcome Freshmen and Nick Arcade didn't.

God I feel old.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Rynnec on June 03, 2012, 02:02:29 PM
I really wasn't expecting your choice for #1, but after reading about why you chose it, I wholeheartedly agree with you, as I too experienced it exactly the same way you did. If any show made my Middle School years easier for me, it was Ned's Declassified.

And LOL at Peter Paltridge telling you you're too young to be making that list. :D
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Lord Dalek on June 03, 2012, 02:08:18 PM
Paltridge is a phony baloney and everybody knows it.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on June 03, 2012, 02:09:21 PM
Quote from: Lord Dalek on June 03, 2012, 02:01:40 PM
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 03, 2012, 01:55:16 PM
It's your fault for never watching it.

But yeah, in hindsight, Double Dare could've easily made it into the top 10. On another day, it would.
I'm just surprised Welcome Freshmen and Nick Arcade didn't.

God I feel old.
Welcome Freshman was a little too before my time, but if this was a top 25, I would easily put Nick Arcade in. GUTS, too. For some reason, I only decided on 2 game shows on here, and went with the undoubtably best 2. I wanted a more modern show on here, which is why I went with Victorious (and I went with it over iCarly since that's really been pissing me off in the past year or so), but I could've easily taken it off for one of those.

Quote from: Rynnec on June 03, 2012, 02:02:29 PM
And LOL at Peter Paltridge telling you you're too young to be making that list. :D
Yeah, I don't quite get that. I may only be 20, but I was born early enough in the 90's to remember the vast majority of shows from the network, aside from some of the shorter-lasting ones. I mean, there really weren't that many originals in the 80's to look on, just a couple of game shows that don't hold up as well as Double Dare, that Dave Coulier show which only ran for a season, and Hey Dude, which I did grow up with but can hardly stand now.

I think if I was closer to Paltridge's age, this would be slanted more towards the older shows, and I wouldn't have anything from this decade at all. Or at least I would if I was DarthGonzo. The other problem with Peter Paltridge is that he doesn't have cable, so he has to rely on DVDs or the occasional experience elsewhere to see shows like these, so he definitely wouldn't be a fair proponent if he made this list.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Commode on June 03, 2012, 02:40:55 PM
Why Nick Arcade though?  That's a great example of a show that didn't age well at all.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Lord Dalek on June 03, 2012, 02:53:42 PM
Quote from: Comeau on June 03, 2012, 02:40:55 PM
Why Nick Arcade though?  That's a great example of a show that didn't age well at all.
Nostalgia beer goggles. Also its a hoot to watch teen girls fail at Neo-Geo games.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on June 03, 2012, 04:12:55 PM
Damn, man. You posted this all so fast I didn't even get a chance to comment on half of it.  :humhumhum:

...yeah, anyway, good list overall. I have my disagreements on it (I like Ned, but that wouldn't be my #1; Rocko takes the cake there), but out of the entire 20 you picked, there's only one show that I outright dislike, which I've already gone over a bit (and I actually don't have a problem with Ginger being here; it's not great, but it's ambitious, and I give it credit for trying). Personally, I might not have ranked Rugrats or R&S quite as high, but that has more to do with the huge dropoff in quality as those shows went on during their later years (aside from a bit of my own personal bias, in the case of R&S). Again though, pretty good list; I agree with a fair amount of it.

Also, screw Paltridge. That guy is such a dick anymore; can't believe I actually used to think he was pretty cool. As pointed out, he didn't even watch this stuff growing up, not having cable and all, so his opinion means squat as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on June 03, 2012, 05:44:00 PM
Ned is legitimately good show, Nick faithful. It might not have been on in the 90s, but it would have fit in fine there, and I'm not fussed at all that it's in the top 5. Seriously watch some episodes between All That and Clarissa or something. It won't stick out.  8)

As for my comments, it's not how I would have put it (Rugrats over Rocko is hard to swallow given the majority of the show is just plain sub-par), and Clarissa is not one of my faves but its hard to argue with it.

They should bring Nick Arcade back. So we can watch modern kids try to play classic arcade games. Maybe they'll gain appreciation for older games!
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on June 03, 2012, 06:18:37 PM
Well, when I think of Nickelodeon, I think of protagonist and child-like experiences which kids can relate to. That's why Rocko is so low.

And I know that the later Rugrats get quite bad, but I'm sticking ny my choice. If The Simpsons always gets ranked so high in lists for animated series, I don't see why Rugrats can for Nickelodeon. It's about as important for the channel as Simpsons is for animation, and the good-bad ratio isn't as awful IMO.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Daxdiv on June 03, 2012, 06:24:02 PM
In all honesty I was expecting Number 1 to be Ned's Declassified. Still a good show. I think they still repeat that on TeeNick.  I do agree with placement of Rugrats as well.


Still a good list overall and yeah Paltridge... yeah I'm better off not saying that.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on June 03, 2012, 06:25:25 PM
It doesn't sound like he even watched it before. Seriously, it's a fun show. It's way better than every school show on now.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on June 03, 2012, 06:28:54 PM
I think he clearly said that he hasn't, didn't he?

Well, what were you guys expecting my top 5 to be, before I got that far? And how would you do it?
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Daxdiv on June 03, 2012, 06:34:36 PM
Let's see, other than Ned, I was expecting Pete & Pete and Rocko in the Top 5 all the way. Even before you started. Maybe Rugrats as well. Clarrissa I was expecting it but maybe like in the 10-6 range.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on June 03, 2012, 06:37:09 PM
Before I saw the list? Probably something like Rocko, Zim, Pete & Pete, Ned, and yeah, Rugrats I guess.

As for me? No idea. Obviously my top 5 would include Rocko and Angry Beavers, but that's all I could decide on.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on June 03, 2012, 07:31:58 PM
I like Ned, but for some reason it's just not a top 5 show for me. I don't know why, as it probably holds up a lot better most of the other live-action offerings (might be the lack of nostalgia, but I really can't place it). It's still top 10 for sure though.

For mine, I dunno. Probably something like Rugrats (I'd have it firmly at #5; no higher), Clarissa, Legends, Pete & Pete, Rocko... something of that ilk. But that's just me.

...as for what I was expecting, it was pretty similar to what you had, but I thought you'd go with Pete & Pete as your #1. Not too different otherwise though.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on June 03, 2012, 10:37:57 PM
I'm surprised you guys weren't expecting Clarissa on here. I wasn't totally hinting towards it, but I thought you guys would've got the idea that it would be high if you knew me.

Anyway, I'll work on my next list soon enough. This time, it's an AR exclusive. ;)
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on June 03, 2012, 10:40:23 PM
Now that's a good exclusive to have!
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on June 09, 2012, 12:31:28 AM
Here's a pretty cool interview you may or may not have read! (http://splitsider.com/2012/04/13-things-about-are-you-afraid-of-the-dark/)
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on June 09, 2012, 02:07:02 AM
I haven't heard of Pendragon.

But yeah, that's really cool. I gotta read the rest of these now.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on June 09, 2012, 02:34:41 AM
The creators of Pete & Pete cowrote the Alvin & the Chipmunks movie.

In a million years, I never would have guessed this.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Lord Dalek on June 09, 2012, 10:21:08 AM
Klickstein's Nick of Time is a pretty fascinating read all around. I'll be curious to look into his book version when it eventually comes out.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on June 09, 2012, 12:53:18 PM
"I have to admit, I was a little less than astonished that the show still holds such resonance for these lumpen laborers. It wasn?t just, ?Oh, yeah, I remember that show. Want any cream?? or ?Clarissa explains what exactly??"

This is why the show was so high on my list, in case you were wondering.

Edit "Especially for those were who were girls at the time, there was finally a show for them. Looking back, you know what Clarissa?s values were and, to me, they were a lot better than what came after ? Lizzie McGuire and Miley Cyrus.

Clarissa was smart. She wasn?t trying to be a ?star.? Being a star for Clarissa would have been a step down. Her character wasn?t aspiring to be famous in a rock and roll star kind of way. She admired smart people. She admired Madonna, but she admired a scientist, for that matter. She was way more cool than the characters from these other shows.

The shows that came after are supposed to be ?aspirational,? but [their characters] are really aspiring be show business stars, which is about the least functional, least useful thing in the world. American Idol and all these shows are great, but being a scientist or being a journalist or being a painter or being anything is more important.

These other shows are so focused on being a singer, which usually has some sexual component, of course.

Clarissa was a girl who stood up for herself and other people around her that she cared about. She never wavered or backed down and always went after whatever it was she wanted. She always did things her own way and would have a plan. If the first plan didn?t work out, then she would go to her next plan. And if that plan didn?t work out, then she would have another plan. That?s truly aspirational."

Even better representation.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on June 09, 2012, 11:45:45 PM
Hmm, apparently Klickstein's book is more than likely going to end with Roundhouse, since that was one of the last shows he watched regularly on the channel.. Which if true, would mean that he'd miss out on a lot of good shows like Rocko and Legends.

But at the same time, he says that his publisher wants him to end with All That, so he can focus on a few other series to that point. I'd personally end with Hey Arnold! or Kablam! if I was doing it, but it's his book. Also, he did do an article about Pete & Pete, which premiered a year after Roundhouse. Although they did make shorts for it as far back as the very late 80's, so it might be an easy exception to the deadline.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on June 10, 2012, 07:59:38 PM
It should end with Zim, IMO. Just due to all the drama behind it, it really shows how Nick lost their spark in how they just gave up on it for no reason. There isn't much to write about after it, either.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on June 10, 2012, 08:03:01 PM
There's a lot of forgettable crap in the interim to cover though, some of which I don't think most people involved would care enough to recollect on or discuss. Cousin Skeeter, The Brothers Garcia and The Nick Cannon Show, anyone?

Besides, Jerry Beck kinda nailed Zim's history with his Nicktoon book with a couple of years back. Speaking of which, doesn't it say something that Beck could easily get Jhonen Vasquez and John K to talk about their history at Nick with no problem, but couldn't get  Arlene Klasky or Gabor Csupo to show up?
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on June 10, 2012, 10:14:16 PM
After the way Nick basically humped them and dumped them, I'm not surprised. KC got dumped on a lot back in the 90s thanks to FOX and Nick.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on June 14, 2012, 02:49:16 PM
lawl, so I totally found season 2, volume 1 of Danny Phantom in the $5 bin at Walmart.

I can't tell if that's a good or bad sign.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Daxdiv on June 14, 2012, 03:06:12 PM
Depends, did you find another Nick series in there or was it just DP? if there were more series in there, I'd be worry. If it was just DP, I just see it as getting rid of a weak link.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on June 14, 2012, 03:07:41 PM
Just DP. It might just be a mistake, too, since I bought the Shaggy Dog 2-pack from there, and it was $10.

I honestly wouldn't mind if they just put the half-season sets in there after a while, since it's ridiculous to pay $15 for 10 episodes.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on June 14, 2012, 04:10:11 PM
I doubt they're trying to move these that desperately, especially given that the set in question was only released two months ago. I've never seen them in the bargain bins myself, either.

Somebody probably just threw it in there, either by mistake, or were too lazy to put it back on the shelf. That's my guess.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 07:54:27 PM
I think DP is one of Nick's lesser series popularity-wise. It's probably down there with Catdog and the Mighty B.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on June 14, 2012, 07:57:52 PM
It used to have a fairly decent cult following back in the day. Not on Avatar's level, but strong enough to have a protest or two for it to be renewed in New York. But I think that following left after it ended and realized that it wasn't a god show to begin with.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on June 14, 2012, 07:59:44 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 07:54:27 PM
I think DP is one of Nick's lesser series popularity-wise. It's probably down there with Catdog and the Mighty B.

I'll be honest, that's a really strange comparison.

Even though you and I don't like it, people reminisce about CatDog as being part of "the good ol' days" all the time (just look at the block's Facebook page for proof). Mighty B was only in production for like a year, and nobody ever talked about it; not then, and not now. The only recognition I ever remember seeing was "Oh, Amy Poehler made it. That's... cool, I guess".

...and as far as DP is concerned, it used to have a surprisingly vocal fanbase in its heyday, but I think people have cooled off towards it now that they're older and realize how much it sucks.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 08:02:54 PM
Quote from: Kiddington on June 14, 2012, 07:59:44 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 07:54:27 PM
I think DP is one of Nick's lesser series popularity-wise. It's probably down there with Catdog and the Mighty B.

I'll be honest, that's a really strange comparison.

Even though you and I don't like it, people reminisce about CatDog as being part of "the good ol' days" all the time (just look at the block's Facebook page for proof).
I dunno, no one ever knew Catdog here growing up. It may just be a US thing, but I've never met someone outside of the internet who knows what it is.

I think DP suffered the Inuyasha effect.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Rynnec on June 14, 2012, 08:07:48 PM
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I think DP suffered the Inuyasha effect.

Being really popular in its heyday when it was still premiering new episodes, but then dying down in popularity once it ended and people realized it really wasn't anything special, with only diehard fans and nostalgiafags thinking otherwise?
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on June 14, 2012, 08:07:56 PM
It might be a US thing, because CatDog was fairly popular, albeit for a short while.

Actually, I wouldn't mind it airing on The 90's Are All That as much as I would Rocket Power or The Amanda Show, since even though CatDog isn't much older than either of them, it peaked in popularity at the end of the decade, so I wouldn't mind it sliding in as a 90's show too much.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 08:41:02 PM
Quote from: Rynnec on June 14, 2012, 08:07:48 PM
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I think DP suffered the Inuyasha effect.

Being really popular in its heyday when it was still premiering new episodes, but then dying down in popularity once it ended and people realized it really wasn't anything special, with only diehard fans and nostalgiafags thinking otherwise?
It might even be the same fickle audience!

The shows wouldn't bother me if the fans weren't so rude and spiteful about it.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on June 17, 2012, 08:37:28 PM
You know, I have this idea for a project, tell me if it sounds crazy.

I want to take a small group of people, consisting of kids that don't have cable and adults/teens who never grew up watching Nickelodeon, and lend them 3 first season sets- Ren & Stimpy, for the sake of the 90's, The Wild Thornberrys, for later 90's/early 0's sake, and Victorious, to round things out for the new regime. And then I want them to watch all of each set and tell us what they think about the shows and which they prefer the most.

And no, I don't want to swap any of these out for better shows like Rocko or Avatar. I want 3 random shows that aren't necessarily the best, but are still popular and liked enough in their own rights to use.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on June 17, 2012, 08:43:29 PM
If you want live action, I'd say Pete & Pete and Victorious would be a good comparison. Since they both represent their eras quite well.

Your animated picks are solid.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on June 17, 2012, 08:53:38 PM
I guess. I really just want one show per specific era. Since no animation from the later era (even though SpongeBob's still on, it's definitely middle, and I'm putting Avatar and DP there as well) is on a season set, that's why I went with Victorious.

I guess I could put make it 4 with Pete & Pete if I wanted to have 2 live action shows.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on July 24, 2012, 01:28:01 PM
Picked up Season 3 of Rocko yesterday while I was out and about. $15 for 13 episodes, and one lone special feature with Joe Murray that I have yet to dive into... not overloaded with value, but come on, it's Rocko.

This set definitely has the goods, though; Wacky Delly, Fortune Cookie, the one where Rocko goes to France is chased down by the crazy bus driver (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yosolUnn7mQ), and even the ultra-rare Halloween episode that Nick hasn't run in ages, and I myself haven't seen in probably 15 years or so. So yeah, looking forward to breaking into this today.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on July 24, 2012, 02:30:01 PM
Regular Nick actually did show the Halloween episode a few years ago, I think on 2007. I recorded it when it did.

Man I still need to get season 2. I'll get them both eventually.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on July 24, 2012, 08:00:58 PM
I believe the season 3 feature is Joe Murray answering questions about the show on his blog and putting the answers in the feature.

Can't wait to get season 3 then 4 when it hits. I never thought we'd get the chance to see the series released. Especially with Nick's whole "anti-everything not current" stance.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on July 25, 2012, 01:24:55 AM
Season 3 is pretty good so far. I'm five episodes in, and I think my favorite at this point might either be Old Fogey Froggy, or Schnit-heads (makes you wonder HOW they got away with a title like that on Nick). Of course, it goes without saying that I haven't gotten to Wacky Delly yet, which is probably the best episode of the series.

Oh yeah, and both Halloween episodes were really good too, especially Sugar Frosted Frights. It'd be nice if they played these more often, but I guess since they're on DVD now, that's not really as big a deal as it used to be.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on July 27, 2012, 05:31:00 PM
Bump (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showthread.php?295223-Avaitor-Presents-Nickelodeon-s-Top-20-Series-of-All-Time&p=4027058#post4027058). I hope you enjoy my additions and reasonings.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Rynnec on July 27, 2012, 06:31:20 PM
I'm suprised you didn't choose one of the half-hour episodes for Invader Zim. Those are widely considered the best in the show. Same goes for Arnold's Christmas for the HA! episode picks.

For your honorable mentions: I really agree with what you said about Jimmy Neutron, the Butch Hartman shows, and Dan Scheneider's output. One thing I liked about Jimmy Neutron was how Jimmy and Cindy's relationship evolved without feeling forced, which is rare for most fictional relationships these days. Also, Hugh and Sheen are the best characters in the show.

The Amanda Show. Yeah, loved it as a kid, doesn't do much for me as an adult. Nothing special about it outside of nostalgia value (though, I was dissapointed that the cliffhanger in Moody's Point was never resolved). Drake & Josh is probably my favorite out of Schneider's output, probably the only show of his that can get a genuine laugh out of me now. iCarly just pisses me off, and that's mostly because how asshole-ish the cast is (mostly Sam), that Fred episode sealed the deal for my hatred of that show.

The behind-the-scenes drama of Danny Phantom has led me to believe that Butch Hartman wants little to no character and plot development in his shows. Both early-to-mid FOP and DP had set up directions for their plots and characters to take, but where quietly shoved off in favor of cheap jokes, and bland plotlines.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on July 27, 2012, 06:54:50 PM
I didn't really think about any of the Zim half-hour episodes, but  I could've gone with the Halloween one. And I nearly went with Arnold's Christmas ep, but I didn't want 2 from season 1 or 2 double-length ones, and there's no way that I wouldn't list "Helga on the Couch", so I decided to give the edge to "Stoop Kid"
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on July 27, 2012, 08:19:20 PM
I still enjoy Angry Beavers a lot more than you do, apparently. All of your issues with it, I just plain don't have.

Good reasoning for your choices. And honestly, what drove me crazy with iCarly was Sam. I never really liked the show, but she is is always doing something mean and vindictive to the point where I never feel any sort of sympathy for her when we're supposed to.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on July 27, 2012, 08:26:38 PM
Yeah, I knew you'd take offensive to my Angry Beavers points, but eh, I kinda just lost interest with Nick around that point. Zim was really the first show during the mid period of my childhood to give me interest in the network again.

And I still really like Sam, although I understand what you mean. I think Jennette plays her well, better than Miranda Cosgrove played Megan, at least. And to be honest, Freddie drives me nuts too, so I do occasionally like it when she attacks him.

On another point, I think one of Schneider's weakest faults is how he writes his straight (wo)men. Carly, Tori and Zoey are the worst kind of main characters, the ones that let everything pass by them, deliver the weakest jokes at the worst possible time, and put everything to a halt when they try to join in with the supporting character's fun. That's one thing I don't like about the earliest episodes of Cheers, when they made Diane the main character and have us see the bar through her eyes. When they made it so that Sam, and later no one, was the main character and cut down on here, it became a lot more fun. Except you can't really do that on shows like iCarly, Victorious or Zoey 101.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on July 29, 2012, 09:31:18 PM
Yeah, his main characters are pretty wishy-washy to the point that they're bland. They also seem to have tons of guys after them too. So I guess guys like boring girls?  :D
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on August 27, 2012, 11:59:00 PM
I could post this in the other thread, but I'll just say it here since we already kinda talked about these shows and I'm always up for more discussion of my efforts.

Ever since I found out that Nick brought back Ned, but at 7 am, I decided to watch a little of it and Drake & Josh again out of boredom and curiosity. My opinions on both shows remain the same.

Ned is still a lot of fun, and even though it has its own shortcomings, I wouldn't be adverse to saying that it holds up more than a great deal of the 90's shows I grew up with. A lto of it is still funny, and there is definitely shades of character development throughout.

D&J can be funny too, but I still think that Megan is too much of a godforsaken bitch to tolerate at any point in the show. I just hate characters who are needlessly vindictive and never get punished for it. I had the same problem with Mandy from grim, but at least she had the excuse of occasionally wanting peace but having to deal with Billy, Grim and Irwin's stupidity a lot of the time. Megan goes out of her way to wreck havoc. And Josh Peck gets on my nerves more often than not. I think it's the emphasis he puts on words. EMPHASIS!

It's nice to have both shows on Netflix though. I wish we got more live-action shows. If we can't get the rest of Clarissa, Pete & Pete and Alex Mack on DVD (Shout has said that Nick won't let them finish their runs, I believe), it'd be great to have them all streaming.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Foggle on August 28, 2012, 12:02:52 AM
Quote from: Avaitor on August 27, 2012, 11:59:00 PM
If we can't get the rest of Clarissa, Pete & Pete and Alex Mack on DVD (Shout has said that Nick won't let them finish their runs, I believe)
Is there any company worse than Nick when it comes to DVD releases? Seriously.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on August 28, 2012, 12:06:36 AM
Quote from: Foggle on August 28, 2012, 12:02:52 AM
Quote from: Avaitor on August 27, 2012, 11:59:00 PM
If we can't get the rest of Clarissa, Pete & Pete and Alex Mack on DVD (Shout has said that Nick won't let them finish their runs, I believe)
Is there any company worse than Nick when it comes to DVD releases? Seriously.
Disney.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Foggle on August 28, 2012, 12:08:08 AM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on August 28, 2012, 12:06:36 AM
Disney.
Really? I don't think they've ever released anything like this... http://www.amazon.com/Nickelodeon-Three-Movie-Collection-Jimmy-Neutron/dp/B0056YMDXW/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1346130433&sr=8-12&keywords=Jimmy+neutron+DVD
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on August 28, 2012, 12:10:58 AM
Quote from: Foggle on August 28, 2012, 12:08:08 AM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on August 28, 2012, 12:06:36 AM
Disney.
Really? I don't think they've ever released anything like this... http://www.amazon.com/Nickelodeon-Three-Movie-Collection-Jimmy-Neutron/dp/B0056YMDXW/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1346130433&sr=8-12&keywords=Jimmy+neutron+DVD
Oddly-tied-together DVD sets are still better than none at all in Disney's case.

Also, Toei and whoever the hell makes it so I can only find J-dramas, K-dramas, etc. at Chinatown.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on August 28, 2012, 12:11:08 AM
Well Disney's problem is that they put absolutely no effort into promoting their season sets, and when they don't sell, they blame a lack of an audience for them and just give up. The funny thing is, they'd be surprised at how many people did not and still do not know that sets of Gargoyles and DuckTales exist, years after Disney gave up on them. People who'd gladly pay to own them.

And it's not even just the old shows. They couldn't even sell a season set of Hannah Montana at the height of its popularity.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on August 28, 2012, 12:12:35 AM
...as well as the people who can't get Blake's 7 stateside. And those who are keeping the rights for Press Gang covered in dust.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on August 28, 2012, 12:17:02 AM
Although yeah, Nick really does suck at releasing DVDs. Even with Shout.

Don't forget, besides the edits on the Rocko sets and the lack of bonus features on just about any other release of theirs, they had to use a pirated copy of a Hey Dude episode simply because Nick lost the master and couldn't be bothered to find it.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Foggle on August 28, 2012, 12:18:14 AM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on August 28, 2012, 12:10:58 AM
Oddly-tied-together DVD sets are still better than none at all in Disney's case.
But the collection is broken. Only half of one of the movies is present on the DVD.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on August 28, 2012, 12:19:45 AM
Quote from: Foggle on August 28, 2012, 12:18:14 AM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on August 28, 2012, 12:10:58 AM
Oddly-tied-together DVD sets are still better than none at all in Disney's case.
But the collection is broken. Only half of one of the movies is present on the DVD.
...okay, yeah. That's a shit deal. But then again, if you're buying a 3-pack of those movies, you deserve to be fucked with.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Foggle on August 28, 2012, 12:21:04 AM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on August 28, 2012, 12:19:45 AM
Quote from: Foggle on August 28, 2012, 12:18:14 AM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on August 28, 2012, 12:10:58 AM
Oddly-tied-together DVD sets are still better than none at all in Disney's case.
But the collection is broken. Only half of one of the movies is present on the DVD.
...okay, yeah. That's a shit deal. But then again, if you're buying a 3-pack of those movies, you deserve to be fucked with.
Good point. :lol:
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Daxdiv on August 28, 2012, 12:56:13 AM
Quote from: Foggle on August 28, 2012, 12:18:14 AM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on August 28, 2012, 12:10:58 AM
Oddly-tied-together DVD sets are still better than none at all in Disney's case.
But the collection is broken. Only half of one of the movies is present on the DVD.

Yeah, this is actually the one time a user review on Amazon was actually useful on the product page. Not sure if it affected the other movies since I think the guy might have just been interested in Jimmy Neutron, which out of those 3 is probably the better movie. He didn't mention anything so I guess those 2 are safe.

But I have another station to point at... how about Cartoon Network? I mean the Target exclusive DVDs are just reprints of DVD sets that were out and even then those didn't do good enough to continue like how Flapjack, Chowder and Secret Saturdays DVDs were cut short after a volume or 2. I just hope Adventure Time Season set does well to justify Season 2.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Rynnec on August 28, 2012, 12:59:48 AM
Geez, out of the three movies on that set, it figures that the most watchable is the one that comes with problems.

Quote from: Daxdiv on August 28, 2012, 12:56:13 AM
But I have another station to point at... how about Cartoon Network? I mean the Target exclusive DVDs are just reprints of DVD sets that were out and even then those didn't do good enough to continue like how Flapjack, Chowder and Secret Saturdays DVDs were cut short after a volume or 2. I just hope Adventure Time Season set does well to justify Season 2.

The only CN DVD's are the SJ season sets and the first EEnE single that were released long ago. They play pretty good, and have decent (if sparse) extra features.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Foggle on August 28, 2012, 01:02:14 AM
I just wish CN would release proper DVDs of EEnE, Courage, and Johnny Bravo already. I would buy all that shit in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on August 28, 2012, 01:41:16 AM
Quote from: Avaitor on August 27, 2012, 11:59:00 PM
It's nice to have both shows on Netflix though. I wish we got more live-action shows. If we can't get the rest of Clarissa, Pete & Pete and Alex Mack on DVD (Shout has said that Nick won't let them finish their runs, I believe), it'd be great to have them all streaming.

Wait, what?

Nick actually went out and told Shout that they have absolutely no intention of ever releasing the rest of those respective series on DVD, at any point in the future? Ever?

Wow. Fuck them.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on August 28, 2012, 12:11:44 PM
Quote from: Foggle on August 28, 2012, 01:02:14 AM
I just wish CN would release proper DVDs of EEnE, Courage, and Johnny Bravo already. I would buy all that shit in a heartbeat.
Well don't forget, the first season of each of these. along with the second of EEnE, are out. But that's it for each of them.

Super annoying. And Warner has even said that unlike Animaniacs and Tiny Toons, they have no interest in finishing these out on demand online.

Quote from: Kiddington on August 28, 2012, 01:41:16 AM
Quote from: Avaitor on August 27, 2012, 11:59:00 PM
It's nice to have both shows on Netflix though. I wish we got more live-action shows. If we can't get the rest of Clarissa, Pete & Pete and Alex Mack on DVD (Shout has said that Nick won't let them finish their runs, I believe), it'd be great to have them all streaming.

Wait, what?

Nick actually went out and told Shout that they have absolutely no intention of ever releasing the rest of those respective series on DVD, at any point in the future? Ever?

Wow. Fuck them.
I don't think they said that about Alex Mack, since that was another third-party release, but they definitely said that about Pete & Pete and Clarissa.

I believe that Nick refused to let Shout have the rights to any shows they put any DVDs out for at one point in their history, which also explains why they can't have Rugrats. That theory isn't official though, merely speculation.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on August 28, 2012, 04:59:27 PM
IMO, all three are pretty terrible with DVD releases. There are tons of great shows that could get limited runs at the very least, that more than enough people would pick them up.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on October 15, 2012, 03:34:54 PM
I wen to Toys R Us today, and saw a set of Nicktoons plushes for sale there. They had CatDog, Jimmy Neutron, Goddard and Dudley from TUFF Puppy.

I don't have any interest in these characters in particular (well, maybe Goddard if I didn't already have one of him- I'd rather have Sheen than Jimmy, though), but I think it's cool to see stuff for older shows like these. I'm hoping there are ones for Rocko and Real Monsters, too. I'm not even a huge A!RM fan, but I'd love an Ickis.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on October 16, 2012, 05:05:06 PM
I'd actually buy a CatDog plush if I seen it... if it was cheap enough, that is. I mean, yeah, most of the show is as forgettable as dirt, but I dunno; part of me still wouldn't mind having one.

Nicktoons merchandise has always been such a crapshoot as it is (for the shows they don't market much, anyway; Spongebob and Rugrats always were in a league of their own), so if they started selling stuff for the older properties, I'd almost feel inclined to support it, even the less impressive ones (except Rocket Power, fuck that). I dunno.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on October 16, 2012, 05:08:14 PM
It actually did look kind of cute, ngl. But I'm not loaded with cash, so I wouldn't send my money over to a piece of merchandise for a show that I was never big on.

I went back to Toys R Us today, since I was in the area, and I saw that they had more plushes. They had Timmy, Cosmo, Chuckie, and

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc0apsIzhR1r6se0bo1_500.jpg)

This gem. ;D
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on October 16, 2012, 05:15:33 PM
Whoa.

I haven't been to Toys R Us in probably 3-4 years, but shit, I need to get down there NOW. Hopefully the store here is carrying some of this stuff as well (and hey, I'm not broke anymore, so I can actually afford a couple!  ;D).
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on October 16, 2012, 05:20:13 PM
They also have little action figures and PVC sets for all of the shows I mentioned aside from CatDog. And although I didn't see plushes for them, I'd assume that they also made some for Tommy, Angelica and Wanda.

Tell me if you see anything different to what I found. I remember Rocko, Real Monsters, Danny Phantom and I think even Ren & Stimpy were mentioned in being a part of this deal, so I'd like to see if there's stuff for them too. I seriously want a Spunky or Ickis plush.

Also, Jazwares, the guys who made these, also have been doing toys for Adventure Time, Regular Show and Hanna-Barbera, and they should all be lumped together in the same area. In fact, I was about to buy an Elroy plush if I didn't find Reptar. I might get that and maybe Chuckie too sometime soon.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on October 16, 2012, 05:24:20 PM
I probably won't be able to make it down there today (or tomorrow), but Thursday I should be in the area, so I'll check it out then.

When was this deal mentioned, by the way? I never heard anything about new Nicktoons plush sets.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on October 16, 2012, 05:26:51 PM
Sorry to link to tz, but... (http://www.toonzone.net/2012/09/pr-jazwares-expands-portfolio-to-include-nickelodeon-license-new-figures-plush-set-to-launch-fall-2012/#.UH3e2qRWoz1)

Heh, I've seen their Fanboy & Chum Chum toys before, for like a week. I can't believe that shit actually used to be a hit at one point.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on October 16, 2012, 05:40:24 PM
Hate go off topic here, but man... that place absolutely looks and runs like shit anymore. Damn.

...but anyway, sounds cool. Yeah, hopefully we do get some Rocko plushes at some point. If there's one Nicktoon that's been criminally underused for merchandise over the years, that's gotta be it.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on December 27, 2012, 06:01:42 PM
You know, I've just realized, Shout! hasn't announced a new set for any of their shows that aren't Rocko lately.

Do you think the other series are underperforming? It's kind of sad if they are.

Edit: Never mind, Arnold's third season is coming out at the end of January. The full season, too! No more halves?

Although it's a Shout! online store exclusive, so it looks like a half-victory, I guess?

Season 2, Volume 3 of Wild Thornberries will also be exclusive to the site, so I'm guessing this will be the future for their other shows. This wouldn't have happened if they didn't cut the seasons in bits.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on December 27, 2012, 06:41:30 PM
Sales probably dropped a bit when they started splitting releases. But I think they will eventually finish most of them.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on December 27, 2012, 07:21:41 PM
I do wonder if this means that they might rerelease season 2 of both shows in full season sets and put them online. I'd totally buy HA!'s if they do.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on February 23, 2013, 03:45:07 PM
I was just reminded of this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oel0zjpKCwE)

UNBELIEVABLE
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on February 23, 2013, 03:49:08 PM
I think they showed that as recently as the early aughts. That's a lot of mileage for such an old ad.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on February 23, 2013, 03:52:40 PM
The copyright disclaimer at the beginning says 1997, but I swear it's older than that. This looks like it was made at least anywhere between 1992-1995.

But yeah, it reminds me a lot of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltljWakR66w). Another ad that still got a lot of use years after the fact.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on February 23, 2013, 03:55:18 PM
Quote from: Kiddington on February 23, 2013, 03:52:40 PM
The copyright disclaimer at the beginning says 1997, but I swear it's older than that. This looks like it was made at least anywhere between 1992-1995.
I had that issue of Nick Magazine with Rugrats on the cover. I might still have it somewhere deep around the house. But I'm positive that it didn't come out that early, which is why I'd believe the 1997 date.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on February 23, 2013, 03:59:26 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on February 23, 2013, 03:55:18 PM
Quote from: Kiddington on February 23, 2013, 03:52:40 PM
The copyright disclaimer at the beginning says 1997, but I swear it's older than that. This looks like it was made at least anywhere between 1992-1995.
I had that issue of Nick Magazine with Rugrats on the cover. I might still have it somewhere deep around the house. But I'm positive that it didn't come out that early, which is why I'd believe the 1997 date.

Actually, I just noticed the Space Jam issue (I missed that the first time), so yeah, '97 looks about right.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Lord Dalek on March 22, 2013, 04:25:10 PM
http://shelf-life.ew.com/2013/03/22/clarissa-explains-it-all-things-i-cant-explain/

...
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on March 22, 2013, 04:25:58 PM
Huh.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Goldstar on April 01, 2013, 07:22:31 AM
The "Never before seen episode of Rocko's Modern Life" that was advertised on TeeNick last night turned out to be a homage to "Wacky Delly"; they held on a jar of mayonnaise for a half hour.


Genius.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Daxdiv on April 01, 2013, 10:21:27 PM
Quote from: Goldstar on April 01, 2013, 07:22:31 AM
The "Never before seen episode of Rocko's Modern Life" that was advertised on TeeNick last night turned out to be a homage to "Wacky Delly"; they held on a jar of mayonnaise for a half hour.


Genius.

Well you can never say that Nick aired an episode of Rocko's Modern Life that consisted of nothing but the jar of mayonnaise. :P
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on April 05, 2013, 07:30:47 PM
Complete Angry Beavers set is next. (http://tvshowsondvd.com/n/18292)

That's pretty cool! I'm still considering just getting the Rocko set myself, especially since we don't know when the last season is coming out on its own. If I was a bigger Angry Beavers fan, I'd likely do the same.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on April 05, 2013, 07:32:49 PM
Good price! I guess I'm glad I never got around to getting the Angry Beavers sets.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on April 14, 2013, 11:14:41 PM
I only got around to buying the first set, so unlike Rocko, this is an easy upgrade. Definitely getting this one. Should be interesting too; think they'll include Bye Bye Beavers?  :sly:

...oh hey, speaking of Rocko; when the hell are we getting Season 4? I still haven't seen it anywhere yet. I don't know if I want to buy the Complete Series on that one, given that I already invested in the other three seasons.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on April 14, 2013, 11:36:43 PM
They haven't announced a release date yet, but I think it's still in the plans. But I wouldn't be surprised if they make it a Shout! website exclusive, like some of the later releases.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on April 26, 2013, 06:51:02 PM
The complete Angry Beavers set is coming with a lithograph for the first 200 people who order it, while Shout!'s site is getting a full season 3 set of Wild Thornberrys. Good news for fans of either.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on May 31, 2013, 08:56:31 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 09, 2012, 12:31:28 AM
Here's a pretty cool interview you may or may not have read! (http://splitsider.com/2012/04/13-things-about-are-you-afraid-of-the-dark/)
I'm bring this back because you all should check out Klickstein's FB page for his upcoming book. (https://www.facebook.com/NickOralHistory?hc_location=stream) Besides some cool teaser stuff like pictures with people from this era, he occasionally posts interesting snippets from the book, ranging from discussions of arguments about Double Dare wasting food to the similarities between Clarissa and Blossom, as well as AYAOTD? and Goosebumps.

And it does seem like he got everyone who's still alive from this era on board.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on July 03, 2013, 06:11:18 PM
Real Monsters is getting a complete series set too. (http://tvshowsondvd.com/n/18654)

If I can find this one for as cheap as Rocko's, I'll gladly buy it. I was never a huge fan of the show, but I did like it as a kid, and it still has its moments to me today, so for a cheap price, why not?

Also, the last sets of Hey Dude and Arnold are making their way to Shout!'s site in the near future. Hopefully a complete serie set for the latter will happen, because I'd love that.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Rynnec on September 25, 2013, 09:59:01 PM
This is happening. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGIlxhuM5l8)

...yeah.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: LumRanmaYasha on September 25, 2013, 10:25:32 PM
....why?  :wth:
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on September 26, 2013, 02:36:32 AM
lol I guess we've come to the point of the block being so beyond irrelevant that they're pulling off random publicity stunts like this just to create buzz. I can't even tell who this is supposed to be for exactly; some meme-obsessed internet subculture? Crazy cat ladies?

Novel idea here, but maybe a better schedule could do the trick instead. You know, one that actually utilizes the entirety of the Nickelodeon library. *shrugs*
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on September 26, 2013, 07:31:47 AM
Yeah, I see that on my tumblr or FB feeds here and there, but only from their pages.

Pass. Definite pass.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on December 09, 2013, 07:12:47 PM
Shout!'s doing a complete series set for Danny Phantom. (http://tvshowsondvd.com/news/Danny-Phantom-complete-series-press-release/19251)

Obviously I'm not interested, but in case anyone here is, bam. I'm still hoping for a set for Arnold.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Rynnec on December 09, 2013, 10:10:55 PM
And with that, I just realized it's nearly been 10 years since that shows premiere.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on February 09, 2014, 07:11:20 PM
If you want some cool 90's Nick-related shirts, check out these and vote. (http://www.threadless.com/nickelodeon-retro/)

I posted these here because you're not allowed to used the likeness of actors from the live-action shows on here, so Pete & Pete is the only one allowed to have designs sent in, but in a limited fashion. Some are more hackish than others, but there's some good ones. A couple of the Rocko's, the Repar/Jurassic Park one, and Secret Agent Log are some I can definitely see myself rocking.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on March 14, 2015, 01:01:17 AM
Remember this? (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/entertainment-board/295223-avaitor-presents-nickelodeons-top-20-series-all-time.html#.VQPGlNJ4ok4) Some of it is kind of embarrassing in hindsight, but I think enough of the rankings aren't too bad.

20- Doug- I think it's fine at #20. The show is important enough to warrant some place on here, but is just too bland for an older palette to really enjoy beyond Doug's age, so any higher wouldn't be right.
19- Kenan & Kel- Eh. The show still has its moments, but Kel, man.
18- Invader Zim- I like the show quite a bit better than where its ranking would make it appear, but in terms of the first kid's network's history? It shouldn't be too much higher.
17- Victorious- Yeah, idk, between most of his other later shows, this holds up the best from what I've seen in the past couple of years, but it is a pretty annoying show, all things said. But it could be worse. Sam & Cat was irredeemable.
16- Are You Afraid of the Dark?- Not too bad. The show was pretty cheesy, but unique enough. And I do still find it to be fun.
15- SpongeBob SquarePants- If I was a bigger fan of the classic age, this probably would have been higher. Maybe top 10 high, but certainly not top 5 high. The bad far outweighs the good by now.
14- As Told by Ginger- Yeah, I still stand by this. The show could be a little hokey and boring at points, but it did fill a gap that few other western cartoons before or since have done, and did it pretty well on enough occasions. I'd consider buying DVDs of it, which is more than I could say of anything else KC did around this point.
13- Salute Your Shorts- Fine slot for a fine show. There isn't a whole lot to it, but the kids always seemed to have fun, and it still has its moments. I miss it.
12- Double Dare- Should have been higher. The game shows are typically still fun to watch since they're just pure energy, and Double Dare was a great starting point. I should have put another one or two in, though.
11- The Secret World of Alex Mack- Not a bad place, really. Like many of these shows, it got kind of cheesy, but still could be pretty fun. That, and Alex was a good character for young girls to enjoy and look up to. I'd like to see more of it again.
10- All That- If any Schneider show deserves a place on a list like this, it's All That. This is too high for a show that's barely enjoyable nowadays, though. Double Dare should definitely be here instead.
9- Hey Arnold!- Could be higher, but it seems fine here. Compared to a lot of other older Nicktoons, I still enjoy it pretty well. I should get that complete series set the next time I find it, in fact...
8- The Ren & Stimpy Show- Or maybe I should switch this with Arnold. I'm not sure, but if we're talking Nickelodeon, it needs to be here. As inconsistent as all hell as it is.
7- Legends of the Hidden Temple- Still my favorite game show. If the 90's Are All That would play this on a regular basis, I'd watch it each night. Not bad at all.
6- Avatar: The Last Airbender- Considering one of my higher choices, this definitely could make it into the top 5. To my eyes, it still wouldn't be #1, though. But it could certainly be higher. And I might combine it with Korra? Or maybe I'll finally get around to watching that and deciding where it would be on here at all.
5- Rocko's Modern Life- Again because of another, higher choice, this could be higher. But it's a little too older spanning for me to consider it the GREATEST of Nickelodeon's canon.
4- The Adventures of Pete & Pete- This really is a wonderful little show. Easily a worthy top 5 choice, and among the best of children's entertainment. Just put the last set out already!
3- Clarissa Explains It All- Despite my age, I still find much to like about this show. This is another series that could definitely be corny at times, but it was earnest about its corniness. The acting was a little tighter and more believable than your average kids show, which helped to make it stand out. Especially Melissa Joan Hart, who helped to make Clarissa such a fascinating character. It's among the most enjoyable things Nick's ever done, as far as I'm concerned.
2- Rugrats- Like SpongeBob, the bad clearly outweighs the good here. But what good! I was watching the older episodes again and enjoying much of it, which explains its place on here at the time, but in hindsight, this is way too high.
1- Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide- I didn't make a mistake here.

In truth, I haven't been as interested in Nickelodeon's programming, past or present, as of late. Especially not compared to Cartoon Network's. I didn't even really watch nickreboot when it was still on, as opposed to cnreboot. But there's a certain feeling of admiration, some sort of togetherness which made, and even now occasionally still makes, Nick one of a kind.

And I wouldn't make a similar list for CN. Not only because you'd know what #1 is, but I couldn't dare to imagine what second place would be.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on March 14, 2015, 01:18:58 AM
My #1 will most likely always be Rocko. Nick is never going to air anything that ambitious again.

The thing with Rugrats is that it was good for the exact same amount of time as Spongebob and the bad has lasted nearly as long (despite Spongebob being on the air for over 15 years, it's still only in season 9) so it really depends on how much you like the best stuff. That said, the good stuff in Spongebob has really grown on me in the last few years.

Personally, I would have had Angry Beavers in there somewhere, but that seems to be a love it or hate it kind of show.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: LumRanmaYasha on March 14, 2015, 01:28:03 AM
Ned's is probably my personal favorite Nick show, so it's nice to see someone else acknowledge it's quality.  :)

Comparing the best of Rugrats and the best of Spongebob, I'd still prefer SB by a fair bit.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on March 14, 2015, 02:09:18 AM
Yeah, I dunno, Angry Beavers has always just been square in the middle for me. There are so many other Nicktoons of considerably lower quality, but I've just never been huge on it. The show definitely has its moments though.

And it would be nice if Kablam! was more widely available. You can just drop the Angela Anaconda segments, and nothing of value will be lost.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Kiddington on March 14, 2015, 12:40:21 PM
Angry Beavers is good; I've had the complete set for some time now, and although there are bits of pieces of it that I do find incredibly grating after a while (Norb's hipster-ish dialogue being one of them), it's still a pretty solid show. Never had a true major dip in quality either, even if it was only on for 4-5 years.

I honestly have a pretty hard time deciding between Rocko and early era Spongebob as my all-time fav. Like, early Spongebob is really good; I've always been surprised by the people that like Rocko as much as they do and yet didn't really care for those first 3 seasons of Sponge, considering how similar they both are. I probably still give the edge to Rocko, but it's close.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on March 16, 2015, 01:16:44 PM
It might be tainted since for the longest time they only played more recent episodes. Even on my Netflix the show is only season 4-9 with the good episodes oddly missing.

But Nick's reruns for the last year or so are mostly focused on season 1-3 (with a random season 4 or 5 in there) with little else. That was how I managed to give it a chance. The early stuff is surprisingly good and gets better with each re-watch.

Especially some of the voice work and lines. John O' Hurley's voice is amazing on a bad day, and yet I still find myself quoting "Yours is superior" on a random basis. Other than some season 4 episodes, none of the rest of the show is close in quality as the first three seasons. And some of the later stuff is quite awful-- some of the worst stuff Nick has ever aired.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: gunswordfist on March 16, 2015, 01:22:39 PM
I'll never forgive you for liking Ginger. Seriously.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on September 04, 2015, 12:31:16 PM
Have you guys heard about this? (http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/nickelodeon-classic-tv-rugrats-hey-arnold-1201583856/)

The only revamp that seems to be official is the Arnold one- it's been announced for a while that Craig Bartlett is working on something new for Nick, and it's increasingly being implied to be something related to HA! Whether it's the jungle movie or not remains to be seen. I haven't even seen the show in a couple of years, but I'm still interested in that. I'd even settle for a graphic novel.

But of the other 3 series mentioned, I can see them work, but maybe not as series. Well, a new YCDTOTV show might be alright. I'd rather it happen than a new All That, since it's a little more than just a watered down SNL, and has the potential to try new things for today's audiences. And I'm sure that some of the original actors would be down to help it out.

I don't really care about Schneider anymore, but I know that he's been wanting to give Victorious a real conclusion for a while. And they did make that Drake & Josh Christmas movie a year or two after it ended, so it may not be too far removed to do one. I think they could even get Ariana Grande back if it's just a movie or special. I probably wouldn't tune in, though.

And the world doesn't need another Rugrats series, or movie. But I could see a small series of online shorts be cute.

Those are just the shows that are name-dropped, though. I do like the idea of game shows returning, since they're still fun to watch. I actually enjoyed the Figure It Out reboot as much as I did the original, and wouldn't mind seeing one for Double Dare or Finders Keepers or something.

I'm not sure about other shows, though. We have the Invader Zim comic, and the creator of Clarissa should have his continuation book published soon, so those seem fine to me. I don't think that Pete & Pete or Rocko should be tampered with, though (and according to Joe Murray on Facebook, he agrees). And let's never touch Ren & Stimpy again.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on September 07, 2015, 11:23:28 AM
Instead of Rugrats, I would approach Paul and Joe to try to make a new show for the network. Since KC isn't around anymore and the pair of them went on to make Recess and Lloyd in Space which were pretty good hits for Disney at the time. Having them make a new show would be nice. Same with Joe Murray if possible.

A new series of Doug honestly wouldn't go very far. It's very much of its time and "updating" it would make it an entirely different sort of show thereby making a revamp pointless. The only continuation that might work would be Arnold, because it's fairly easy to pick that up right off where it ended.

Everything else is fine where it is.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: gunswordfist on September 07, 2015, 03:30:01 PM
I'd love new Arnold. Besides that, yes, a new show would have been a better idea.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Nameless on September 07, 2015, 07:18:50 PM
Nick can't revamp Doug because they haven't owned Doug in years. In fact Disney just renewed their trademark on the show's logo last year. (http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=74274141&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=statusSearch)
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Commode on September 13, 2015, 07:37:36 PM
http://www.thesplat.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Bj-h9EfeJ0

hmm... wonder what they are working on, people are theorizing it's a new network.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on September 14, 2015, 09:39:05 AM
I've been waiting for YTV to make a YTV Retro or something focusing on all the programming they used to run in the 80s and 90s, but I guess this would be welcome too. After all, there are no retro channels that focus on anything later than the 70s and even when they do it's always stuff that airs on like every channel.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on September 14, 2015, 11:31:25 AM
The word is that this is just going to be a rebranding of the 90's Are All That block to allow for 00's shows to be added in.

So... okay?
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on September 14, 2015, 11:39:53 AM
Well, it is Nickelodeon after all.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on September 14, 2015, 01:03:11 PM
Or maybe we are getting a channel after all... (http://www.licensing.biz/news/read/nickelodeon-to-launch-new-channel-dedicated-to-its-hit-90s-cartoons/042693)

If this is really only just for the cartoons, it basically sounds like Nicktoons Network 2.0. Which actually kind of sounds like a waste, IMO. If you were to take Nickelodeon shows from the 80's to early 2000's, I think you could make a consistent channel out of it, though. Or perhaps a solid streaming service.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on September 14, 2015, 01:11:25 PM
Sort of like Toon Disney, you would be able to make a good programming schedule just out of Nick's back catalog. Whether they'd ever do it is a whole other story. They've taken how many years to put their shows out on DVD? Not to mention they've gone out of there way to say they don't want anyone over 16 as a customer and don't really care who buys their products.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Commode on September 14, 2015, 05:17:54 PM
I would rather it be a full on Nick Rewind type channel, showing everything from old Nicktoons to the old sitcoms to the old game shows.  There's no reason not to show all of these, having just a channel of Nicktoons reruns, especially if they have a cutoff of the early 2000s or so, is going to grow stale really fast.

Also not really wild about the channel being called "The Splat".  What's wrong with NickRewind?
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Daikun on September 24, 2015, 12:56:12 PM
Good Burger lives again! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odQQ4jgGpFU)
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on September 24, 2015, 01:29:28 PM
That was really fun.

And finally we get more Splat news. (http://www.avclub.com/article/nickelodeon-finally-reveals-what-splat-actually-wh-225837) This is going to be an extended reboot of 90's Are All That, running all night, and live-action shows will be involved at some point. Sounds cool. I might have to hook up my TV to the living room for some nights, depending on the lineup.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Commode on September 24, 2015, 02:17:31 PM
Sounds good, but hopefully them expanding it to eight hours means we will see more variety.  The 90's Are All That block was a good idea, but it stalled because they stopped caring about it and reran most of the same shows in perpetuity(this whole year has mostly been just Hey Arnold, Rugrats, Catdog, and Rocket Power).  Nick has a pretty good size library of former shows that they could rerun, there's no reason not to.

Hope they run more game shows, been watching that Nick Reboot stream and they play a lot of the old game shows.  Some of them are eh, but some of them are still so much fun.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on September 24, 2015, 03:31:24 PM
Rerunning the game shows would be nice. Nick really was good at game shows back in the day.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Commode on September 25, 2015, 09:14:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=123&v=yVVwcDnu8J8

Another video showing more shows they intend to air, which seems to be much of their 90's live action output.  There's a few clips from Pete and Pete in there, hopefully that means they'll air it.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Daikun on September 25, 2015, 09:24:21 PM
Quote from: Commode on September 25, 2015, 09:14:59 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?t=123&v=yVVwcDnu8J8

Another video showing more shows they intend to air, which seems to be much of their 90's live action output.  There's a few clips from Pete and Pete in there, hopefully that means they'll air it.

Holy fuck! Weinerville?! :zonk:
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Commode on September 25, 2015, 10:03:25 PM
Weinerville has aired at least one time on The 90s Are All That.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Daikun on September 26, 2015, 12:06:02 AM
Quote from: Commode on September 25, 2015, 10:03:25 PMWeinerville has aired at least one time on The 90s Are All That.

I was never aware of that.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on September 26, 2015, 12:21:55 AM
I think it was like a year ago. I wanted to record that night, but I forgot to.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on October 02, 2015, 12:59:28 AM
https://twitter.com/nickandmore/status/649708099998220288?t=1&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&sig=1de9c74a935d2264fcdc8e45db528f235bbbb752&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=319a840b0fd44814a29476fb535b4260&autoactions=1443752824&uid=493218165&nid=244+592

What, YCDTOTV? The original Double Dare? This is awesome!
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: LumRanmaYasha on October 02, 2015, 01:09:53 AM
Oh man, it's been so long since I've seen the game shows. I'll need to keep tabs on this. At the very least I want to tune into Double Dare, GUTS, and Legends of the Hidden Temple.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on October 02, 2015, 02:00:44 PM
What the schedule looks like. (http://www.nickandmore.com/blog/the-splats-premiere-week-schedule/)

Apparently, they're showing some of the earliest Pete & Pete shorts during those hours with YCDTOTV and All That. And I'm definitely going to try to pull out my TV into the living room for Monday.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: LumRanmaYasha on October 02, 2015, 08:18:03 PM
I'm mostly interested in revisiting the game shows, so the weekend lineups are probably all that I'll check out. I'd love to catch YCTDTOV if I can, but weeknights are way too busy for me, so I doubt I'll be able to make the time.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Commode on October 02, 2015, 08:47:58 PM
My DVR is ready.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on October 05, 2015, 04:19:17 PM
I'm going to try to catch tonight and tomorrow's lineups, for sure. YCDTOTV was my most anticipated series to air, and I've been interested in seeing some of Welcome Freshmen for a long time. That, and I also kind of miss AYAOTD. Since I think that we only get TeenNick in the living room, I'm having YCDTOTV be recorded at home, as well as the first Kenan & Kel episode in the likelihood that the block runs overtime.

Considering that television has only been finding room for more commercial time over he years, it's not surprising that this runs long. But hey, they're airing Ren & Stimpy tonight, which gets cut down to bits by Nick anyway, so the block will probably end at its normal time anyway. :P
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Commode on October 05, 2015, 04:53:05 PM
I don't know if there is anything they cut out of those Ren and Stimpy's though.  Certainly nothing in Stimpy's Big Day.

Not really sure why any of the shows would run over though.  I did notice during the 90s Are All That though that when one show ended it immediately went right into the next one(also they didn't truncate the end credits at all).

And I'll be up for the first couple of hours at least, 10 pm really isn't that late for me, plus I don't even work tomorrow(though I have an appointment at 9am).
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on October 05, 2015, 09:45:31 PM
The stations that I get in my room are the same that we get all over, so I can't watch the block life. Ugh. They really should consider a livestream, since not enough people get TeenNick to make this fully work.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Commode on October 06, 2015, 12:35:03 AM
Well, they were all screwed up with the times, because they played two Pete and Pete shorts before starting YCDTOT about 10 minutes after 10PM, but they "fixed" it by cutting off the second half of "Stimpy's Big Day", so that the second episode of Ren and Stimpy started at 1:30. 
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on October 06, 2015, 09:48:35 PM
Yikes.

Has tonight been an improvement? And how is the block's aesthetic?
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Daikun on October 07, 2015, 01:39:52 AM
Quote from: Avaitor on October 06, 2015, 09:48:35 PMYikes.

Has tonight been an improvement? And how is the block's aesthetic?

A huge improvement. It seems they got their act together this time.

Anyway, two nights into The Splat, and I'm digging the hell out of this! It's great seeing classic Nick shows I haven't seen in years, and everything is uncut. I love the "Splat Facts" they occasionally show with behind-the-scenes info. (CatDog was picked up solely for its theme song? The YCDTOTV kids were paid extra to get slimed? Stick Stickley was dubbed over? Neat tidbits to learn!) The classic bumps are one hell of a nostalgia trip, and I love the smartass "adult content" warnings before the block starts. :happytime:

The Splat is the best thing to come out of Nickelodeon's spinoff channels, ever.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on October 07, 2015, 05:24:17 PM
Yea, it was an extra $25 per slime, I think. And I'm not surprised about the CatDog fact, either. The theme song is easily the best part of that show.

Man, I do wish that I had TeenNick. The next time I go home, I'll have to try and stay up for the lineup.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Commode on October 07, 2015, 07:06:48 PM
I think that slime part was mentioned in that book uh... Slimed.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Daikun on October 07, 2015, 10:11:01 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on October 07, 2015, 05:24:17 PMYea, it was an extra $25 per slime, I think.

I believe the Splat Fact said it was $50.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on October 08, 2015, 01:31:13 PM
It seems like this week is different from the block's usual itinerary, and the 10-12 hours will be the only changing section of the block. There seems to be a more concrete schedule from 12 on, which will consist of this:

12:00am = Rugrats
12:30am = Hey Arnold!
1:00am = CatDog
1:30am = Rocket Power
2:00am = The Angry Beavers
2:30am = Rocko's Modern Life
5:00am = Rugrats
5:30am = Hey Arnold!

And the plans for the first 2 hours next week are to show Reptar-themed Rugrats episodes. The next weeks' is meant to be Stoop Kid-themed HA! episodes (which I think they mean urban legend episodes, and even that will be very season 1 heavy), and after that will be Halloween-themed episodes.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on October 10, 2015, 01:00:51 AM
Apparently tonight, they showed the original unaired pilot to As Told By Ginger, and accidentally put an episode of Doug on during one of the Legends airings.

Interesting.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on October 24, 2015, 01:58:59 PM
This coming week is looking to be a step up from the previous 2.

-There are different shows from 10-12 again, with Shelby Woo and Allen Strange making their debuts on the block.
-Real Monsters and AYAOTD? are airing nightly, with Sunday the 1st having mini-marathons of both all night.
-Cry Baby Lane and the Kenan & Kel movie are airing on Saturday

Not bad, huh? More exciting than Rugrats and Arnold overload.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Daikun on October 24, 2015, 03:40:37 PM
Glad to see they're switching things up. I was starting to get worried after two weeks straight of nothing but Nicktoons.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Commode on October 24, 2015, 04:17:52 PM
They need to drop Catdog and Rocket Power, give that garbage a rest for a while.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: gunswordfist on October 24, 2015, 05:02:47 PM
Quote from: Commode on October 24, 2015, 04:17:52 PM
They need to drop Rocket Power, give that garbage a rest for a while.
Fixed. Don't be a fucking shoebie, Commode.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Commode on October 24, 2015, 05:54:53 PM
why do you want catdog?
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: gunswordfist on October 24, 2015, 06:59:05 PM
Dammit, I meant to delete CatDog *selffacepalm*
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Commode on October 24, 2015, 07:05:42 PM
why do you want rocket power?
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: gunswordfist on October 24, 2015, 07:09:57 PM
Because I am one of its 3 fans. :thinkin:
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on October 24, 2015, 11:06:10 PM
That's the spirit!
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: gunswordfist on October 25, 2015, 12:30:15 AM
 :e_hail:
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on October 25, 2015, 12:56:09 PM
According to Zap2it (http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ZCSGrid.do?sgt=list&fromTimeInMillis=1445832000000&stnNum=59036&aid=zap2it), the Mon-Fri 10-12 schedule looks like this:

Monday-
10:00- Rugrats
10:30- Clarissa Explains It All
11:00- The Angry Beavers
11:30- Kenan & Kel

Tuesday-
10:00:- CatDog
10:30- All That
11:00- Rocket Power
11:30- The Journey of Allen Strange

Wednesday-
10:00- Hey Arnold!
10:30- Kenan & Kel
11:00- The Ren & Stimpy Show
11:30- Hey Dude

Thursday-
10:00- Rugrats
10:30- Clarissa Explains It All
11:00- Rocko's Modern Life
11:30- The Mystery Files of Shelby Woo

Friday-
10:00- Hey Arnold!
10:30- CatDog
11:00- Salute Your Shorts
11:30- Doug

12-2 will contain episodes of Are You Afraid of the Dark? and AAAHH!!! Real Monsters side by side, followed by repeats of the previously aired shows.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on November 09, 2015, 01:02:10 PM
Last week had Rocko air during the 10-12 slot, but I think that they had various shows appear during 12-1, as well. I went home this weekend and was able to catch an episode of Welcome Freshmen on Saturday. This was my first time seeing the show besides the odd clip online. It's not very good, but it is pretty funky and different. I can kind of see why kids from the early 90's would have dug it.

This week, Clarissa is going to air from 10-12, and if my guide is any indication, Ren & Stimpy will hold that spot next week. I would prefer if the whole night was random, but I think this formula is okay, as well. I put a couple of Clarissa episodes to be recorded before I left, so I'll try to watch some when I come home for Thanksgiving.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on March 09, 2016, 02:29:11 PM
I'm home, and I decided to watch the block a little tonight, and kept it on for a few CatDog episodes.

Still not very good. Cat can be a jerk, but more often than not, he just wants to do his own thing, which more often than not is blocked by everyone else. And the show wants us to relate with Dog, who's an obnoxious shrill. Blah.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on July 06, 2016, 04:52:21 PM
In honor of the upcoming 25th anniversary of Nicktoons, Klickstein released this extra series of oral discussion about the first 3 (http://decider.com/2016/06/14/the-oral-history-of-nicktoons-part-i-how-the-storied-animation-block-came-to-be/). A majority of the key players get into detail here and talk plenty about these shows. You even see some of the talent involved throughout admit that there were certain series that they never liked.

It's a nice read, and really makes me want to finally pick up a copy of Slimed! I do hope that they at least talk about Rocko in the book, though, since as I recall, Klickstein didn't want to go that far forward when he started his work.

Edit: Straight from Vanessa Coffey- "My idea of creating this block was like creating a meal. Your broccoli was Doug. Rugrats was Spaghetti-O's. And then dessert was Ren & Stimpy." Damn. :P
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on August 03, 2016, 05:01:26 PM
So Nick is getting into the Loot Crate business (https://thenickbox.com/).

$50 is kind of pricey, but I think I'm actually doing this one. The first box was available at SDCC, and I was impressed. A Spunky plush! Chuckie's shirt and glasses! A Stimpy mug! Rugrats coasters! I'm down.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on August 09, 2016, 01:14:02 PM
This is a good article (http://www.avclub.com/article/nickelodeon-grew-and-blew-1996-240472), explaining how 1996 was a pivotal year for Nickelodeon.

I think it's interesting that the network was changing its content around this time, and that I somehow must have noticed, since I started watching the network increasingly less at this point.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on August 09, 2016, 03:32:57 PM
Well, that explains that. I had a feeling there was something happening behind the scenes before Nick started to turn.

It eventually slid into what it is now, which is easily 180 degrees from where it started from.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on August 10, 2016, 10:44:51 AM
You know, I did still watch plenty of Nickelodeon in 96. I was still loyal to Rugrats (which was releasing some specials around this point, before its proper fourth season started), All That, and Alex Mack, and I ate up Hey Arnold!, Kenan & Kel, and Kablam! And while I was getting a little too old for them, on occasion, I would enjoy Blues Clues and the Dr. Seuss show, as well. I didn't really stop paying as much attention to Nick until the next year or so, around when CN started getting more originals and the Powerhouse era was starting.

But the era of overly-corporate Nickelodeon makes sense. Not to say that Nick wasn't always corporate, but there was definitely some change going on here. But it especially makes sense for Nick, since for nearly a decade, their biggest hit was an import that they couldn't technically claim. The early, experimental years of the network had a unique way of letting its audience in, and that's why it still endures to those who grew up with it, and it must have came as no surprise that the network was becoming hugely successful. I don't think this feeling of connection lasted, but enough of the shows were hits where that didn't really matter anymore.

And yeah, they were able to market many of these hits. Say what you will about the later Rugrats episodes, but they milked that show for everything it was worth, and they also made bank off of Arnold and even CatDog. Of course there was SpongeBob, and they also did well with FOP before it became apparent that no one really knew what to do with that anymore, as well as Jimmy Neutron and even Avatar, even though lightning didn't strike twice with TLOK.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on August 10, 2016, 12:52:38 PM
Oh, and it's funny, Cartoon Network's commercialization period came by much earlier for it, but until recently, they've always seemed to struggle at it.

I'd say that started around 99-00 for CN, right when CCF started and when DBZ became a serious competitor. Granted, they didn't have too many Nickelodeon-level hits, but they had a couple that came close. Of course there's Powerpuff Girls, which focused too far on one particular side of marketing and let go of the fact that it was a megahit for everyone. Ed, Edd n' Eddy really brought huge numbers in as well, but I always felt like they never really knew what to do with that series. And there's Ben 10, but that's basically just a toyline. Scooby has always done well for them, even today, but at this point, it's a brand above all else.

In recent years, they've learned to do better with their shows it feels. Adventure Time is the biggest example, but Regular Show, Steven Universe, and Gumball, as well. And Teen Titans Go! if you want to count it.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Daikun on October 30, 2016, 04:15:54 AM
The Splat has expanded to the UK. (http://nickalive.blogspot.com/2016/10/nickelodeon-uk-takes-fans-back-to-90s.html)
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Daikun on July 02, 2018, 11:39:11 PM
Eugene Pitt, the man who sang Nickelodeon's iconic theme song, passed away this past Friday.

Fred Seibert wrote a blog piece on his legacy and included some of his best moments. Give it a read. (http://fredseibert.frederator.com/post/175421733787/rip-eugene-pitt-ive-been-singing-all-the)
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Daikun on August 28, 2018, 08:35:45 PM
NickSplat is now on VRV.

(https://i.imgur.com/pgIZMDs.jpg)

Shows available:

AAAHH!!! Real Monsters
All That
The Amanda Show
The Angry Beavers
Are You Afraid of the Dark?
CatDog
ChalkZone
Clarissa Explains It All
Double Dare 2000
Doug
Guts
Hey Dude
KABLAM!
Kenan & Kel
Legends of the Hidden Temple
The Mystery Files of Shelby Woo
Nick Arcade
Rocko's Modern Life
Salute Your Shorts
The Wild Thornberrys
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on August 29, 2018, 01:35:28 PM
I was pretty excited when I found out, but wow, is the selection paltry. I'm not even talking about the series represented, which have a good number, including most of the ones I want (YCDTOTV, Pete & Pete season 3, and OG Double Dare are my most wanted to come next). But the amount of episodes available for each series is pathetic. Some, like Salute Your Shorts, have as few as 5 episodes up (or "10" as VRV lists it, since they count their captioned editions of the same episodes as separate, doubling their total). I don't see why it would be so hard to put the full series up for these shows, or at least a season or two at a time.

That said, I do like that VRV got the shows at least, so I didn't need to spend money on another streaming service.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Daikun on October 03, 2018, 08:57:36 PM
Quoting from Toon Zone Anime Superhero (https://animesuperhero.com/forums/threads/nicksplat-news-talkback-thread.5502161/post-86682782) (god, what a dumb name):

QuoteSo the VRV NickSplat channel is rotating content monthly. Seasons 3 and 4 of Rocko came but seasons 1 and 2 left. Rocket Power came but other stuff left. This is a terrible idea. Hopefully it isn't indicative of Brian Robbin's desire to expand Nick's digital presence and is something leftover from before.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on October 04, 2018, 06:33:01 PM
Cartoon Network used to do this with their shows on Netflix, and it bugged the fuck out of me. Why is it so hard to have the entirety of these shows? I'm especially annoyed that I didn't get to finish the half of Clarissa Explains It All's second season that they put up- there's nothing for it on anymore.

Besides Rocket Power, they also put the Figure It Out revival on. Why not the original, idk, but I actually kind of liked it as well.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: LumRanmaYasha on October 04, 2018, 10:10:35 PM
Yeah, I don't get the rotating seasons model. I bet the logic is to encourage people to still buy the dvds/digital downloads, but they should realize it's annoying for the consumer to not have every episode of a show available on a streaming service and makes it less appealing.

Also, when did Toon Zone rebrand? ...And why are they called Anime Superhero?   :butbut:

Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Daikun on October 04, 2018, 11:23:22 PM
Quote from: LumRanmaYasha on October 04, 2018, 10:10:35 PMAlso, when did Toon Zone rebrand? ...And why are they called Anime Superhero?   :butbut:

They changed names a week ago, so you didn't miss a whole lot.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: FoxKidsLover16 on November 26, 2018, 09:15:37 PM
NickSplat on VRV is changing its section of shows once again tomorrow.

- All Grown Up! joins the service with every season. That means you can watch the whole series of it if you're a fan of the show or want to check it out. I never cared for it much since I found it boring and I always liked Rugrats more, but maybe I will give it a try, since it's been years since I really watched it.

- The Amanda Show, CatDog, Kenan and Kel, Rocket Power, and Rocko's Modern Life will be having the entire series to watch. That also means that The Amanda Show and CatDog will be getting the first season back on, Rocko will be getting its first 2 seasons back on, Kenan and Kel's last 2 seasons are added, and Rocket Power will have seasons 2, 3, and 4 available to watch

- Sadly, this will be at the expense of a bunch of shows getting removed from the service. The shows won't be gone forever, since NickSplat's VRV channel constantly rotates its section every so often. The shows leaving (for now) are All That, The Angry Beavers, ChalkZone, Clarissa Explains It All, Doug, Figure It Out (2012), GUTS, KaBlam!, Salute Your Shorts, and The Wild Thornberrys

- Aaahh!!! Real Monsters, Are You Afraid of the Dark?, and Legends of the Hidden Temple will stay on the service with no changes to them whatsoever. No seasons added or removed

EDIT: Nevermind, Aaahh!!! Real Monsters is also gone now as well. The Legends of the Hidden Temple Movie is gone as well, but the series remains on the service
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on November 27, 2018, 05:22:52 PM
tbh, I really only wanted to watch Clarissa, Salute Your Shorts, and the game shows from the shows they offered. The other stuff I don't care that much about, aside from Rocko which I already own. If this was the sole reason I signed onto VRV, I'd be annoyed.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Daikun on December 28, 2018, 08:24:16 PM
Shows joining NickSplat in 2019:

January 2: Invader ZIM
January 9: Jimmy Neutron
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on December 28, 2018, 08:55:43 PM
I heard about Zim, but Jimmy's new to me.

It makes sense to add them though, especially since Ginger and All Grown Up were added a year or two ago. I wouldn't be surprised if FOP joins at some point. Maybe also Drake & Josh, Ned, and Zoey 101, but they seem mostly interested in Nicktoons now.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Daikun on January 03, 2019, 01:19:48 AM
More shows joining NickSplat:

January 16 - Danny Phantom
January 23 - Back at the Barnyard
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on January 03, 2019, 06:07:18 PM
Maybe I'm just getting old, but I can't conceive Back at the Barnyard as nostalgic in any way.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Daikun on January 03, 2019, 08:16:40 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on January 03, 2019, 06:07:18 PMMaybe I'm just getting old, but I can't conceive Back at the Barnyard as nostalgic in any way.

It seems NickSplat is borrowing a page from Boomerang--declaring anything a decade old as "nostalgic."
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Rynnec on January 04, 2019, 09:56:24 AM
Looks like this block is jumping the shark, and jumping it hard.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on January 05, 2019, 09:29:54 AM
Maybe it's due to a theme. Nick looked at how both shows were finding new life through memes (Barnyard via Dr. Pig, Danny Phantom via that Danny Phantom fan who shot up a supermarket and thought Ember was a god), and decided to introduce them to Splat because of that.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: LumRanmaYasha on January 09, 2019, 11:27:58 AM
It feels like anything that isn't considered current is considered nostalgic, even stuff that wasn't popular when it came out or is less than ten years old.  :??:
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on March 06, 2019, 01:16:59 AM
Found out they put Ren & Stimpy back on the lineup. Seems dumb to do it only a year after the allegations.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: LumRanmaYasha on March 09, 2019, 12:36:53 AM
At the very least they really shouldn't play any episodes Kricfalusi was actually involved in. If they have to play the show, they should at least just stick with Games-era episodes.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on March 09, 2019, 11:02:52 AM
John K's regularly updating his blog again as if nothing happened. (http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/) Don't know why both him and Nickelodeon are just brushing it under the rug.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on March 09, 2019, 04:45:59 PM
IMO, the show is more than just Kricfalusi, and it's time we start to acknowledge that. Bob Camp was just as responsible for the Spumco episodes as he was, and there are plenty of talented animators and storyboard artists whose contributions deserve to be remembered.

However, it would suck if he still gets royalties from the show. I do wonder how much he'd receive though- I know that the actors on their sitcoms at the time don't receive a cent from repeats, so I wonder how that affects the animation side.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Daikun on March 18, 2019, 09:40:37 PM
NickSplat has been rebranded as NickRewind.
How many more name changes do you think we'll get in the next 5 years? :blush:
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on March 20, 2019, 02:01:56 PM
Give it a couple of years.

And meh. It makes sense to add mid-00's shows, but I'm not interested in catching up with Drake & Josh or iCarly. Ned would be cool, but I'm not seeing it mentioned anywhere. A shame, since besides Avatar, it's easily their best show from that period.

And I noticed that NickSplat added Unfabulous on VRV. I don't think anyone actually remembers that show, though.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on June 03, 2019, 05:58:35 PM
I noticed another recent change on VRV- Unfabulous and Zoey 101 are out, Angry Beavers and Chalkzone are in.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on July 19, 2019, 10:09:14 PM
Welp, the block is starting at 1 am coming next week. This time, it's just going to be Rugrats, Arnold, and Rocko, though.

Why even bother if you're not going to use more of your lineup? But to be fair, the repeats of these shows were probably doing better than the MTV shows that took their place, which probably explains their return.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on August 09, 2019, 03:14:19 PM
New updates to VRV- Global GUTS, the first 2 seasons of Are You Afraid of Dark? and AAAHH!!! Real Monsters, and most surprising of all, the first season of The Journey of Allen Strange. In exchange for Wild Thornberrys and ChalkZone.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on August 09, 2019, 03:41:00 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on August 09, 2019, 03:14:19 PMand most surprising of all, the first season of The Journey of Allen Strange.
Now that's a show I'm interested in Nick Knacks covering a hundred episodes from now.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on August 09, 2019, 05:45:19 PM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on August 09, 2019, 03:41:00 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on August 09, 2019, 03:14:19 PMand most surprising of all, the first season of The Journey of Allen Strange.
Now that's a show I'm interesting in Nick Knacks covering a hundred episodes from now.
I feel that. That's a show I vaguely remember, but don't really remember anything about, besides being kinda weird.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on August 09, 2019, 05:57:45 PM
Speaking of Nick Knacks, it's daunting how many shows Poparena has to get to before he starts regularly analyzing an era of Nickelodeon I recognize. (http://www.nickandmore.com/history/list-of-every-series-aired-on-nickelodeon/) I admire his attempt to catalog and dissect every single series that ever aired on Nickelodeon, even the ones that are so forgotten only a couple of old TV Guides are proof of their existence, and he's given some pretty eye-opening looks into little known shows like Vegetable Soup alongside old classics like You Can't Do That on Television, but there's still that lingering "When is he going to get to that show?" feeling on the back of my mind.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on August 10, 2019, 06:41:05 PM
I only saw his intro video, which piqued my interest, but I just never got around to watching more content, even though I'm definitely interested. I admire him for his commitment if nothing else.

Also, wanna know how badly that MTV thing was a failure? The block is now starting at 10, GAINING an hour from a month ago. As far as I can tell, it's still just Doug, Rugrats, Rocko, and Arnold, though.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on August 10, 2019, 07:06:48 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on August 10, 2019, 06:41:05 PM
I only saw his intro video, which piqued my interest, but I just never got around to watching more content, even though I'm definitely interested. I admire him for his commitment if nothing else.
Well, he finally reached the point when Nickelodeon started airing cartoons, (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPLPp5GgbQU&list=PL63ushetAZ-xoXYf46MkIywbmLq_3qXRw&index=53) so there's that for an entry point into his series.

QuoteAlso, wanna know how badly that MTV thing was a failure? The block is now starting at 10, GAINING an hour from a month ago. As far as I can tell, it's still just Doug, Rugrats, Rocko, and Arnold, though.
Seriously, even from a cursory glance, they should have seen how bad an idea that was. MTV reality shows aren't things people look fondly upon years after their airing. They're just TLC-tier trash people watch to make themselves feel better about their own lives.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on November 16, 2019, 09:43:26 PM
Time for the seasonal update- Real Monsters and Allen Strange are out, Doug and All That are in.

Edit: just realized that I forgot to mention VRV lol
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on December 11, 2019, 01:51:46 PM
I've been finding the time to finally watch Pop Arena's Nick Knack series, and I'm glad that I have. It's a great watch! Highly informative, and nearly as entertaining to boot. I really admire the craft and effort that he puts into each video, how he goes above and beyond to research each show and how it relates to the current part of the network's history that it's a part of. Even though the majority of what he's covered thus far is unknown to me, he makes a good case going into each show, and seems to genuinely enjoy this kind of stuff.

To show what point I made it to, I'm not too far past his You Can't Do That on Television episode. Now while this show is before my time (I couldn't have been older than 3 when it left Nick's main schedule), I am familiar with it, having watched a bunch of it around the time I became interested in the channel's history myself. I do enjoy the show, even despite its jokes generally being done and the acting generally hokey. He does a good job of explaining its benefits, and I can definitely see the appeal for a younger audience.

But the real meat here is his discourse regarding Roger Price. There's some damning stuff here, yet... I honestly thought a lot of the same points when I read Slimed, myself. He may seem well-meaning in his desire to make quality programming for children, but he also doesn't seem like the best mentor for children, to put it lightly. I wouldn't be surprised if there were more "boys will be boys" stories that haven't been shared, and his thing about boys in drag... yikes. It does make certain elements of the show uncomfortable now, even if he isn't quite a Schneider or Kricfalusi-level creep. I do agree that the body shaming jokes haven't aged well, either, but eh, every show has fat jokes.

My only major complaint with his videos is that he tends to repeat content often. This would probably be less of a problem if I wasn't more or less binging these, but I can't count how many times I've seen the same clip of Sy Schneider reading the paper his executive shows him, or the bit from the opening of Hocus Focus where Brad Willis carries and almost drops his stack of film reels. I understand that minimal footage exists from this period, but he could show slightly more of what he does have. Besides that, I am greatly enjoying this.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on December 11, 2019, 05:57:16 PM
His recent episode about Nick@Nite was a pretty good watch. He didn't cover the eras of Nick@Nite I remember watching, understandable considering the amount of shows and he wants to get to the Nicktoons era sooner than later, but instead gave a look at the invention of television and how nostalgia flourished among baby boomers.

Speaking of his criticism of the way Roger treated children, his Dennis the Menace retrospective ended on a bleak note. The juxtaposition between discussion of child abuse in the entertainment industry with a clip from The Amanda Show reminded me Nick doesn't learn from its mistakes. Alexa Nikolas revealed she was bullied and abused when filming Zoey 101, but all of her co-stars or staff from the show willfully ignore it because that's detrimental to the Zoey 101 nostalgia they've been pushing lately. That Ryan kid from Ryan's Mystery Playdate is showing all the signs of child exploitation, but media's more interested in how much money he rakes in than the potential pitfalls of an 8-year-old churning out so much TV and online content without rest.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on December 11, 2019, 08:19:13 PM
It's an unfortunate part of the industry- child actors tend to get screwed over in the industry, and it seems to be especially true for shows heavily featuring child actors. While Klickstein seems like kind of a douche from what I can tell, I do respect that he focused a good chunk of the Slimed book to the actors from these shows talking about some of the negative elements that went on with these shows, from the aforementioned negligence to bullying (the Salute Your Shorts cast and crew sound particularly shitty), and poor compensation.

I think I've read before that the actors don't earn royalties to these shows, which is pretty fucked up? That seems to be less of an issue now, like how Miranda Cosgrove used to make a good six digits per iCarly episode, but these shows more often than not still sound like bad environments for the children involved.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on December 11, 2019, 09:25:26 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on December 11, 2019, 08:19:13 PM
I think I've read before that the actors don't earn royalties to these shows, which is pretty fucked up?
I figured that when Drake Bell got stuck with over 600K in debt even though Nick reruns Drake & Josh all the time on TeenNick and he was basically the face of Nick's live-action shows over a decade and a half ago. Maybe Miranda Cosgrove got a better deal because either her or her parents knew what to negotiate for after experience working on D&J. Helps that I recall iCarly was meant to be a vehicle specifically for her, so she was in a better position to ask for more money than Nick actors who had to audition for lead roles. Compare that to Jennette McCurdy, who implied she left on bad terms with the network, resented Sam Puckett's character as shallow (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jennette-mccurdy-eating-disorder_n_5c812d61e4b0e62f69ea8363), and made this autobiographical short of her life as a child actress. (https://youtu.be/fxesmJTGI1U)

And the sad thing is the child star industry is always going to be screwed because there will always be stage parents shoving their kids into show business and children who want to be just like their favorite celebrity. If one kid or their parent wants a better deal from the studio, and they don't have a prior success under their belt like the Olsen Twins did, or they're not connected to other famous people like Jamie Lynn Spears, the studio can simply boot them out and find another child actor willing to put up with a bad contract. The competition's too fierce for this system to eventually rot away.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on August 29, 2020, 02:10:23 AM
VRV update- nada. The NickSplat side of the app has been removed.

Damn, I was hoping to watch some Doug, too.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Daikun on January 07, 2022, 01:27:34 AM
NickRewind is as good as dead. It's soon going to be nothing but iCarly. It might as well just be regular TeenNick at that point.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Rynnec on January 07, 2022, 09:58:49 AM
It was nice while it lasted.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on January 07, 2022, 02:10:27 PM
Judging from their recent past schedules, they tried to aim for recent nostalgia by airing Zoey 101 and D&J despite already airing those shows whenever, and completely neglected to foresee the negative PR the lead actors in both shows would experience. Whatever. TeenNick was a dumping ground network for ages.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on January 07, 2022, 03:03:37 PM
It's kind of weird to see people say that Boomerang should shut down, when TeenNick's schedule is just as poorly ran, and no one bats an eye.

But whatever, the block has been useless for a long time, and a lot of these shows are on Paramount+ and/or DVD at this point.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on January 07, 2022, 03:17:22 PM
Because from what I've seen, the CN fandom is more hardcore, so they put more value into things like Boomerang or Toonami. While everyone's used to Nick's other channels/blocks being shit.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Daxdiv on January 07, 2022, 07:19:46 PM
Yeah, maybe it is the circles I've been in throughout the years, but CN's fanbase feels more hardcore than Nick even though ratings & other things would tell me the opposite. Maybe it's that Nick's main demographic doesn't care much for social media or maybe because people know how much Nick screws the pooch on scheduling other shows & not giving them time to grow.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Daikun on February 01, 2022, 06:41:18 PM
TeenNick has removed the NickRewind branding. Buh bye.

EDIT: NickRewind has acknowledged it themselves on their own Twitter. (https://twitter.com/NickRewind/status/1488922361202200585)
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on February 01, 2022, 07:13:15 PM
Unfortunate, but it's not like the block has been of much use over the past few years anyway. Who even has TeenNick?
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on June 20, 2022, 12:55:18 AM
Nickelodeon's got a problem where they want to pander hard to nostalgia audiences, but there's at least three different decades of nostalgic adults with conflicting opinions on what "their" Nick is, so there's no way to appeal to them all since there's no evergreen Nick show that 80s, 90s, and 00s kids all grew up on besides maybe Double Dare. The Nickelodeon fandom is too fragmented, with various generations pointing to whenever as the time Nickelodeon died for them. And some speedbumps like the Hey Arnold movie not doing as well as they hoped or some planned revivals of TV shows getting thrown out because one of the lead actors became embroiled in controversy must have confused their strategy. So of course, that leads to sections like NickRewind eroding and losing focus of what they are, turning into glorified promotion for iCarly. (https://www.youtube.com/c/NickRewind/videos)

One of the clearest examples of their confusion was that new All That reboot they were pushing hard all across their social media for like a year before they apparently cancelled it without any fanfare. Like it was obvious how much they were pandering to people who grew up on All That by bringing back Kenan, Kel, and Lori Beth Denberg. But then the reality sets in, kids watching won't get why they're supposed to act like Coach Kreeton or the Loud Librarian are any important, and most of the adults aren't interested in watching preteens do sketch shows.

Anyway, PopArena's now in the 90s part of Nick Knacks. (https://youtu.be/Q3SaPqlJ5vI) And I thought here was as good a place as any to mention it.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on June 20, 2022, 02:15:48 PM
It's funny to see how time can rehabilitate seemingly anything. I remember when iCarly and Victorious were new and 90's kids who were nostalgic for Are You Afraid of the Dark? and Angry Beavers bemoaned their existence. Now that's all I'm seeing on here.

It's funny how the cartoons from this era are all but forgotten, but this is around the time when Nick instated their policy that if it doesn't match SpongeBob's ratings, it's trash. So it's pretty much their fault. Obviously Avatar has done well for itself, but sometimes I'll see them try to push something out of the Mighty B, which no one cared about at the time, so they go back to Schneider shows or the 90's stuff.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on June 20, 2022, 02:50:16 PM
The Schneider fandom's especially strange to me. I figured all the pedo memes and rumors and the eventual allegations from a few of the actors that he was at least an asshole to work with would make those shows fade in time, but it seems they've only gotten bigger. Which I should get since I was a kid when half of Schneider's shows were big deals, but I don't, so... I don't know. It's always mind-boggling when I see a video essay for one of these shows, skim through it, and the narrator's like "Here's how this show changed the TV landscape and became a huge influence" as if they're talking about The Sopranos or Seinfeld and not fucking Zoey 101.

Vaguely reminds me how I keep seeing YouTubers react to Buffy despite all the shit surrounding Whedon. Even guys who I know are fully aware of all of Whedon's controversies are like "Yeah, I can't wait to start Buffy!"

And that adds to how confused Nick's strategy in pandering to older fans is, because they obviously can't do sequels to some of Schneider's shows due to Drake Bell and Jamie Lynn Spears. There's a whole decade of Nickelodeon that was seemingly very successful but also where they only have 3 or so IPs worth mining for spinoffs and cinematic universes or whatever without getting cries of "Why did you hire that guy again?", "Didn't this show inspire a shooting at a supermarket?" or "You know what they did to that kid, right?".

Nick's never been a network interested in the long-term and always focused on immediate success, and when a network goes on long enough that suddenly people outside of their demographic are interested in their network again because they grew up with it, surprise, the majority of what you have to offer them is reminders of some random forgotten cartoon or a sitcom where a quarter of the cast are on a watchlist. It sorta makes sense why after making a Hey Arnold, Rocko, and Zim movie respectively, they ceased on that specific angle because what else can they really do? Nobody's really clamoring for a Wild Thornberries or Rocket Power movie.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on June 22, 2022, 04:43:09 PM
It IS weird that the Schneider shows are still prevalent, yeah. But that's kind of all Nick really had durign that era, or at least the most recognizable. You'd think that they would try to push Scott Fellow's stuff more, especially because on the odd chance that Ned's Declassified does appear on social media, it does alright. Hell, Pop Arena said that it got the second most requests for his Kickstarter samples after AYAOTD?

And the Schneider stuff is even different from the Buffyverse, who you can largely attribute to being more than just his works. Schneider prided himself on being a workhorse similar to Tyler Perry and seemingly never let another crew member get a slither of attention that could go to him. There's no Greenwalt, Espenson or Noxon to fall back on.

But yeah, it's probably time to back off on the nostalgia and focus on their current library. I honestly couldn't tell you what they have besides SpongeBob and its spin-offs and Loud House, which is probably a problem already.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on June 22, 2022, 06:23:41 PM
Yeah, there are other live-action Nick creators Nick's social media could push instead of Schneider all the time. Like Thomas Lynch. He didn't make anything I liked all that much either, never really took to Alex Mack, Allen Strange, or Caitlin's Way beyond surface-level "I kinda remember this" nostalgia, and I barely know anything about his later work for the channel like The Troop or The Other Kingdom, but he's worked on the network long enough at the same time span as Schneider that it's hard to imagine why nobody at Nick's PR is going "Okay, let's promote the works of a prolific Nick creator who isn't a rumored pedophile so we don't look bad if it becomes more than just 'rumored'". But I suppose Nick Adults rewatch the Schneider sitcoms enough on streaming that maybe it does financially benefit Nick to shill his shows all the time instead of literally anybody else. Like I said, immediate success over long-term plans.

And while they should focus more on their newer work instead of milking old franchises, are they in a position to? Each year, streaming and YouTube sap more of their kid audiences away, and they're desperate enough that they air live football on the network now. And let's not forget how hungry they were for some big success in the early 2010s that they made over half a dozen projects with Fred in them. They probably wouldn't have done 90s Are All That and this whole nostalgia push in the first place if they weren't running out of avenues, while forgetting one obvious thing: These are kids shows. Sure, they'll satisfy the nostalgia audience, but for the 90s Nick kids who grew up and found something else to watch, there's nothing there beyond an "Oh, that's neat". It becomes cult TV, and Nick is rarely good at making the most out of cult TV. They don't have that Criterion/Arrow mindset that allows other companies who handle cult media to flourish, or even how other networks like HBO handle cult media (like if you told everybody 20 years ago that one of HBO's flagship shows would be a remake of a 1970s film featuring robot cowboys, no one would believe you), so they don't have any real tactics here besides make some more Spongebob spin-offs and Avatar movies and hope for the best.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on October 25, 2023, 10:33:53 PM

So I wasn't expecting Poparena to think of Catdog as a show that tackled complex themes, but here we are.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Daxdiv on October 28, 2023, 11:13:46 AM
I'm more surprised he didn't do the obvious racism parallel with Cat being beaten by the Greasers due to the fact of him just being a cat, while they were kinda fine with Dog.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Avaitor on October 30, 2023, 10:50:02 AM
I don't think the Greasers are even in that episode. But damn, he's really stretching here.
Title: Re: The 90s Are All That
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on October 30, 2023, 06:23:02 PM
Granted, if I had to talk about individual episodes of Catdog for at least 10 minutes, and I didn't want to pull a Quinton and just slowly recap that shit and then end it with "I liked it/I hated it", I'd have to go with the didactic path and pretend the writers are making a statement. Not like specific episodes of the show have an interesting production backstory or anything worth highlighting. Not every Nick show is like Avatar or Hey Arnold where you can spend plenty of time talking about a single episode out of the bunch.