I don't know what I'm missing, but I can not get into Butch Hartman's work at all and will never understand why his shows became so popular. I hated Fairly OddParents and just found all the characters loud, annoying, and really obnoxious. Danny Phantom failed at being both an action show and a comedy show. And I haven't really watched TUFF Puppy but, given Hartman's track record, I don't see how I'm going to like it anymore than his previous work.
Oh, and the live action FOP movie looks awful.
Both him and Seth were better when they were just pulling shifts at shows made by other guys instead of helming their own work. That's all I'll say on the matter.
They're overly loud and obnoxious shows with absolutely no charm or cleverness to them.
They lead the way to shit like Fanboy & Chum Chum, as well.
Danny Phantom is easily the best show he's worked on, I'm willing to say that. I haven't really seen it in a while though, so it probably doesn't hold up too well nowadays.
FOP has just gotten terrible, I do have fond memories of the show, but somewhere along the way the quality just went down the gutter.
And I avoid TUFF Puppy like the plague. Don't even wanna touch that one.
The only characters I enjoyed from FOP were Vicky, and the pop-star parodies Britney Britney and Chip Skylark. Everything else was just loud, obnoxious, and in Cosmo's case, trying to fucking hard to make stupid seem funny. Scratch that, I also liked Jorgen Van Strangle("right now he's doing the Van Strangley part") as well
Don't have much experience with Danny Phantom, but from what little I saw I thought it was decent, and the biggest complaint I have was the characters seemed rather jerk-assy. I remember watching the one from early in the series with the lunchlady ghost, and thought it was awkward how Danny's two friends, the emo-type bitch and the token black kid, were constantly fighting throughout the episode.
Never seen TUFF Puppy, but then again I don't think I've watched more than a few minutes of Nick since the show's been on the air. I certainly don't plan on ever seeing it.
Oh, thanks for reminding me, I actually liked Vicky too. If only for making Timmy's life a living hell, as Timmy was a whiny, selfish, annoying brat. The Britney Brtiney and Chip Skylark characters were enjoyable too and made some catchy songs. But everything else in FOP annoyed the hell out of me and, yes, they tried way too hard to make Cosmo funny.
Something else about FOP that annoyed me is there were times where they actually would come up with a fairly amusing joke. But then they would ruin it by driving that fucking joke into the ground by repeating it a dozen or so times in the same damn episode.
Eh, I like the Fairly OddParents, at least the earlier seasons. They do indeed have a terrible habit of running jokes to the ground though.
As for Danny Phantom, didn't watch much of it and it didn't really hold my interest. TUFF Puppy is a horrible case of wasted potential however, since I honestly think Jerry Trainer and Grey DeLisle play off each other really well, and would make a great comedy duo if it wasn't being handled by Hartman's team.
Jorgen actually made me laugh (and sometimes I linger on the show if he's on screen), but most of the time the voices just cut into my brain.
I am a fan of early Fairly Oddparents. Watching that and Zim back to back was good. Too bad FOP was the type of show that could get old fast. Danny Phantom got an instant no charisma alarm from me. And what's this? Butch rehashed the rule book gag? SHOCKING!
When it came out, I liked Fairly Odd Parents a bit. I preferred Zim, but they were good compliments to each other when they premiered. The older I got and the more obnoxious it became, I started to hate the new episodes, and rewatching some of the old ones showed me just how cruel and irritating the show has always been. Now I can't stand the sight of it.
I honestly kind of liked Danny Phantom, but not initially. The first few episodes really sucked, but when they added in Vlad and the twist that Jazz was aware of Danny's secret, I got into the show. I think it took a turn for the worse shortly after Jazz revealed to Danny that she knew he was Danny Phnatom, and the last season and a half was, for the most part, pretty retched. Danielle Phantom was a pain in the ass too, but I'll admit that her first episode was good character stuff for Vlad.
Nowadays, I can barely tolerate the "good episodes". I never was much of a fan of Danny's character, and he seems to bitch a lot more than I remember. I can understand when someone like Jake Long complains about his duties, since he's been forced into it, or even Peter Parker, since he has a fucked-up life even when Spider-Man has no involvement in it at all. But no one told Danny to become Phantom when he got bit by the ghost juice, and most of the ghosts wouldn't be nearly as hazardous if he didn't provoke them. And even though his family is weird, they still love him, and he wouldn't be harassed at school as much if he wasn't such a little bugger. Even then, he's a better character than Sam, who's an annoying, self-righteous, ungoth bitch. She's always right (according to her) and a pain in the ass more often than not. They're perfect for each other.
Then there's just about every other aspect of the show, which before I get more into them, I'll just say that the show sucks. But it didn't have to.
As for TUFF Puppy, no interest. I've learned my lesson before.
Y'no what, this scene has everything wrong about the show in one image.
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That's not funny, that's disturbing. And there are plenty of jokes like that to be found in the show.
It's funny because he hates hims son for existing. Ha, ha.
It's not funny, it's just obnoxious.
FOP got even worse when Wanda and Cosmo had that stupid baby fairy. Did that baby add anything to the show or what it just annoying?
The baby is basically a Pokemon. And a Gary Stu.
So you can imagine how awesome it is now.
Except there's no merchandise for Poof. Or the show, really.
I remember a few years ago, the president of Nick said that even though they were two of their most popular shows, they couldn't sell FOP or Hey Arnold on a shirt. Makes me wonder why it's still on, then. The ratings are decent on the few times the show airs, but not that much better than some of Nicks other shows.
Quote from: Avaitor on July 04, 2011, 06:02:15 PM
I remember a few years ago, the president of Nick said that even though they were two of their most popular shows, they couldn't sell FOP or Hey Arnold on a shirt. Makes me wonder why it's still on, then. The ratings are decent on the few times the show airs, but not that much better than some of Nicks other shows.
They sell Arnold shirts now, at Hot Topic. I would buy one, except I don't like how garish and bright they are, the coloring seriously needs to be toned down.
I found one at JC Pennys myself. It was on sale for like $3, but I didn't really like how it looked, so I passed on it. They also had a vintage Nick logo and a couple of Double Dare shirts for the same price, but I also passed on those.
Why can't they sell FOP shirts?
I mean, FOP had like a dozen video games based on the property, which is really just another way of merchandising it.
Hot Topic gets a lot of flak, but I don't really care what people say, they have some pretty awesome shirts there.
Oh yeah, Hot Topic does get some good merchandise in(my latest purchase was an awesome Iron Maiden shirt, which I love). They really seem to base a lot of their merch off the hipster scene though(Zim, Nightmare Before Christmas, TMNT, Nintendo, Sonic, Scott Pilgrim, and old Nickelodeon shows have all been popular items in their stores), but I tend to like a lot of the stuff. Like I said, my biggest issue with their offerings is how a lot of it is too bright or too colorful for my tastes.
Quote from: Eddy on July 04, 2011, 06:16:37 PM
Why can't they sell FOP shirts?
I think that was more of a statement saying that even though the shows did well in the ratings for them, they never had the big cash cow appeal that Rugrats and SpongeBob had. To be fair, I don't remember seeing a lot of Arnold or FOP toys, and when I did, those were normally discounted. And when's the last time you heard about a FOP game being made without other Nicktoons?
As for Hot Topic, I have a good amount of my shirts from there, as well as other random merch. I got a lot of Iron Maiden, Slayer, Led Zeppelin, Sex Pistols, Casualties, Nightmare Before Christmas, Marvel, Ed, Edd, n' Eddy, Dexter's Laboratory, Invader Zim, and You Can't Do That on Television stuff from there. Any place where you can get stuff for that kind of material isn't half-bad
Oh, I get it. It's been a while but I remember seeing a good amount of FOP games for the PS2 and GameCube last gen. But you're right, most of the time it was in a crossover with other Nicktoons.
They still make episodes of FOP? :whuh:
Yeah. It's not exactly a highlight of the schedule anymore, but they still make them. This is probably going to be the last season, though.
My God. I thought that Poof shit killed them. No show with even remotely the same format as FOP should be on the air that long
You know there is a live action movie for FOP coming out, right?
And the less said about that, the better.
I know about the movie but it's not like Nick has never made any questionable decisions
It's a little hard to call Butch Hartman the biggest hack currently working in the animation industry at the moment, only because this Noah Jones fella (guy behind Fish Hooks, that naked animal show on CN, etc.) just kinda popped up out of nowhere and made that claim himself. But damn it all, he comes in at a very close second.
One thing I've noticed; everything that he's ever worked on was far better when Steve Marmel was still involved. FOP was never really THAT good, but it was, at the very least, watchable at its highest peak (2001-2002 ish). Danny Phantom always sucked, but it sucked even more when Marmel left. He was the one guy that basically made these piles of excrement mildly entertaining; after he and Butch cut ties, it was all downhill from there. We've all seen FOP in its current state; it's absolutely ghastly, to put it as nicely as I possibly can.
...as far as TUFF Puppy goes, it's definitely his best work to date... as if that's really saying a whole lot, though. It's still prototypical Hartman, with all of the same glaring flaws as FOP; unfunny jokes being repeated wayyyyy too often, bad voice acting (sans Grey Delisle; she's great, as always), and characters THAT ALL TALK AS LOUDLY AS POSSIBLE. For whatever reason, he and his writing staff have gotten it into their heads that loud = funny. I'll never understand this mentality, and sadly, he's not the only one in the industry who currently feels this way (hello again, NZJ).
Long and short of it is, he kinda sucks, for the most part (as a series frontman, anyway; as mentioned earlier, he's fine as a second tier guy, such as he was on Dexter's Lab). It almost bewilders me how he continues to find work at the rate he does, considering the way he keeps churning out the same garbage with each new series deal. And you know what the real sad thing about him is? These shows don't even HAVE to be this bad. Just watch this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJD_sbHd0GQ) for living proof that the guy isn't totally clueless, and can make a damn fine cartoon when he wants to. Why his work now pales so badly in comparison to the Pfish and Chip shorts (which are both great) is something I don't quite understand. I guess I could blame Nickelodeon, but, well... that's just too easy, at this point.
SHIT, HE'S RESPONSIBLE FOR PFISH N CHIP?! That's the one short I wanted to become a full fledged cartoon that never did. I can watch the ugly bomb bit all day long. What in the hell happened?!
Also, I wish the major cartoon channels would do animated shorts shows and let the more popular ones become half hour cartoons. That would help fix this drought. Why was that format ever thrown away?
"Loud = funny" seems to the general way of thinking around Nickelodeon these days. Have you ever seen an episode of iCarly or any of Nick's other insipid sitcoms? Those shows are full of characters overacting and SCREAMING REALLY LOUD.
I like iCarly, but you do have a point. Jerry Trainor yells a lot as Spencer, often times needlessly.
He also yells just as much as Dudley Puppy.
Amazing that the guy even still has a voice to speak with.
Of all the Nick sitcoms I do find iCarly to be, by far, the most tolerable.
Stuff like that Big Time Rush show or that new one, Bucket & Skinner's Awesome Adventures or whatever the fuck it's called, I can't stand watching at all.
I like Victorious as well, if only for Cat and Jade. The teacher too.
It reminds me of MLP in that it's an ensemble show where not everyone gets a chance to shine in each episode, but with an even bigger cast. Probably less consistent overall, too.
Quote from: Eddy on July 07, 2011, 02:58:01 PM
Of all the Nick sitcoms I do find iCarly to be, by far, the most tolerable.
Stuff like that Big Time Rush show or that new one, Bucket & Skinner's Awesome Adventures or whatever the fuck it's called, I can't stand watching at all.
It's the opposite for me. Big Time Rush is suprisingly tolerable (probably due to the fact that it's by the same guy who did Ned's Declassified) but iCarly just pisses me off.
I actually really like Ned's Declassified (YTV still airs it randomly), but Big Time Rush just annoys me. It's so overly loud, and the humor just feels... rushed out? If that makes any sense.
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Quote from: Eddy on July 07, 2011, 02:58:01 PM
Of all the Nick sitcoms I do find iCarly to be, by far, the most tolerable.
Stuff like that Big Time Rush show or that new one, Bucket & Skinner's Awesome Adventures or whatever the fuck it's called, I can't stand watching at all.
It's the opposite for me. Big Time Rush is suprisingly tolerable (probably due to the fact that it's by the same guy who did Ned's Declassified) but iCarly just pisses me off.
Meh. It feels a lot like Ned's Declassified, in the sense that it tries to work off of that same zany-style of comedy... but man, I just can't stand that show. All four of those kids can't act worth a shit IMO, and the fact that the series basically serves as a marketing vehicle to push their CD's on the viewing audience is something that's always bugged me about it. It feels a lot like something Disney would pull, and it's rather disappointing to see Nick heading down that road.
...but hey, that's just me. Agreed on iCarly, though; can't stand that one whatsoever. Better than the rest of their garbage, but I still don't care for it.
I don't think Ned's type of humor works on a show like BTR, especially without the lack of strong characteristics that Ned had. The fact that it's basically a commercial for the band's music, fake or not, also makes it more annoying.
I will say that the producer is funny, and works on his own. But even then, he doesn't have much chemistry with his assistant, which hurts the character a lot, since that's where a lot of his character should come in.
Eh, I kind of like BTR as a bit of a "guilty pleasure" show. I won't say it's great, but I can be fun to watch at times (but I still can't forgive Scott Fellows for creating the cancer that is Johnny Test). Really don't like Victorious, mainly because it feels like it's trying way too hard to recapture the success of iCarly.
More on topic, I like Butch Hartman as a person, but nearly everything he has ever made is awful, even early FOP and Danny Phantom (which was average at best). Noah Jones doesn't even touch this guy (besides, Jones doesn't really actively work on his shows, he's a children's book illustrator and I think mostly responsible for creating the concepts)
I really have nothing against the guy himself, either. But his shows are all very half baked and would rather shit on a character for 15 minutes instead of actually explore itself with comedy instead.
Quote from: chdr on July 08, 2011, 06:20:10 AMReally don't like Victorious, mainly because it feels like it's trying way too hard to recapture the success of iCarly.
That's the exact impression I get. iCarly with more characters and with that crammed in "we have CDs to sell" crap.
I'm watching 'Reign Storm' as I type this.
One thing that always bugged me about this special is how it seems to forget about Tuckers relationship with Valerie in 'Shades of Gray', it was just one of many plotlines that were built up, but were dropped later on.(Along with the Vlad and Fright Knight alliance.)
Oh, and forced Sam/Danny shipteasing is forced.
Still enjoying the special though.
Hey, I was just wondering: Would anyone be interested in actually reviewing the live-action FOP movie when it comes out? I mean we KNOW its going to be dreadfully bad, so it'd seem like a wasted opportunity to not totally trash how terrible it is. I wouldn't mind doing it myself since I hat EVERY SINGLE THING that hack Hartman has churned out and called animation entertainment. And yes, I even had to sit through a few episodes of Tuff Puppy since my little sister watches it (being at the age where how good or bad a cartoon is doesn't mean jack squat as long as its a cartoon). Its as horrid as anything else you'd expect from the guy (the most tolerable thing I've seen from him are the "better" episodes of Danny Phantom, but even those put me to sleep when they weren't really annoying me). I'd love the chance to bash a live-action adaptation of his already crappy work, but unfortunately I no longer have Cable so I'll probably never actually catch the movie myself, unless it gets uploaded online somewhere.
I could do it. That is, provided that none of the staff members are interested (as maybe a "guest review", of sorts).
As it is, I kinda have a knack for long-winded responses anyway, so why not put this meaningless talent to good use? :awesome:
I'd rather not, but if no one else is willing to become a hero, I'll be it.
Baby.
Quote from: Kiddington on July 09, 2011, 01:54:28 PM
I could do it. That is, provided that none of the staff members are interested (as maybe a "guest review", of sorts).
As it is, I kinda have a knack for long-winded responses anyway, so why not put this meaningless talent to good use? :awesome:
Haha, should have seen this before. But yeah, we're looking for guest reviewers, and you're more than welcome to take this for us. I'll talk to you more about it when the movie airs.
I would offer to do it, but I won't be home tonight so I'll be missing the no-doubt disaster. But I'd love to do some guest reviews in the future.
I'm sure Nick will re-air the shit out of this movie anyway so I'll catch it eventually. I want to see just how bad it's going to be out of morbid curiosity.
Oh damn, it's airing tonight? Didn't know that.
So yeah, Kiddington, if you're up for it, I'll message you soon.
Sounds good!
I'll watch it, but I'll let Kiddington do the guest review due to how long I've been sitting on that Sam and Max review for you guys. Sorry about that. :sweat: But I'm still going to do it for you guys.
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Mon visage during the entire movie.
Watched it this morning.
Yeah. That was bad.
And I'm not just saying that because I hate the cartoon it's based on, but because cartoons have NEVER translated well into live-action. Can anyone think of an example of when they have? The Flintstones was bad. Inspector Gadget was terrible. It just doesn't work.
That Bugs Bunny CGI/Live action feature has lots of potential.
I liked the Yatterman Movie... and that's about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2-BLbGulOc
I never dislike videos on YouTube. I think that's disrespectful and irritating to find, especially if you do like the video.
I made an exception here.
smh at the video comments.
Honestly, WHY DO PEOPLE LIKE THAT SCENE? Jesus... they couldn't have possibly ended an already terrible movie on a lower note.
...and besides, I thought Youtube was otherwise known as "old man nostalgia corner". What's with the love here? Where are all my 90's Nick fanboys, storming in and trashing this thing to bits? :>
So I think Dinkleberg is becoming a meme ala Nigel Thornberry and Stu making pudding.
I'm already sick of it.
Ugh. Never liked that joke in the show, either.
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Actually, this has kinda been around for a little while already... but yeah, either way, I don't much care for it either. And normally I likes mah memes, but this... this just isn't doing it for me.
I figured I should bump this, since a sequel to the live-action FOP movie is coming out soon.
Kidd, you ready to review this one too? :light:
Quote from: Avaitor on October 28, 2012, 12:24:29 PM
I figured I should bump this, since a sequel to the live-action FOP movie is coming out soon.
FUCKING WHY!?
Quote from: Foggle on October 28, 2012, 12:25:45 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on October 28, 2012, 12:24:29 PM
I figured I should bump this, since a sequel to the live-action FOP movie is coming out soon.
FUCKING WHY!?
Apparently it did well. Probably better than the show has done in years.
Haha, oh lord.
At least Drake Bell can feed himself for another few weeks.
Quote from: Avaitor on October 28, 2012, 12:24:29 PM
Kidd, you ready to review this one too? :light:
:awesome:
Why am I not surprised? This is coming from the same channel that made, like, three Fred movies.
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Quote from: Avaitor on October 28, 2012, 12:24:29 PM
Kidd, you ready to review this one too? :light:
:awesome:
Why am I not surprised? This is coming from the same channel that made, like, three Fred movies.
There were
2 more Fred movies??
Wow. Just wow.
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Quote from: Kiddington on October 28, 2012, 05:52:20 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on October 28, 2012, 12:24:29 PM
Kidd, you ready to review this one too? :light:
:awesome:
Why am I not surprised? This is coming from the same channel that made, like, three Fred movies.
There were 2 more Fred movies??
Wow. Just wow.
Dom't forget the TV show. ;)
:sweat:
This is what I get for not keeping tabs on anything Nick-related for years outside of the new TMNT.
Anyways, back on point: Butch Hartman's style of characters yelling a lot, frequently repeated jokes and an abundance of obnoxious and unlikable characters never gelled with me personally, but evidently folks go for it, since he keeps getting work at Nick.
The main Hartman thing I enjoyed was the first Phish and Chip short (the second one just seemed like a poor clone of the first). The Crash Nebula pilot had potential, but it quickly degenerated into a meshing of Danny Phantom and Lloyd in Space.
So this is what various Nick characters would look like under Butch's pencil. (http://neopuff.tumblr.com/post/50750323293/i-was-looking-through-an-old-nick-mag-and-i-found)
Quote from: Avaitor on May 18, 2013, 11:12:18 PM
So this is what various Nick characters would look like under Butch's pencil. (http://neopuff.tumblr.com/post/50750323293/i-was-looking-through-an-old-nick-mag-and-i-found)
I actually found that kind of disturbing. So many of the characters had those manic Hartman grins on their faces, like they were seconds away from reaching for the meat ax.
I blame Butch Hartman more than anyone else for the sterilization of animation styles in the past decade.
Jamie Lynn Spears especially looks creepy. I can see why he avoids brown eyes.
They all look the same as characters on his shows. I mean, Patrick looks just like the Gilbert Gottfried dentist on FOP.
Is Fairly Oddparents really still going? I just... find that so hard to understand.
Who is still watching?
Kids. Hence why its lasted almost as much as Spongebob.
I don't believe I've caught the episodes after the dog, but the episodes with Poof I saw were all right.
Surprisingly, it's been more consistent in the ratings lately than SpongeBob. While SBSP has been up and down for the past couple of years, FOP still brings in strong ratings regularly.
Why? Your guess is as good as mine.
One possible reason is that even kids are now fed up with Spongebob. It was already on Nick for what, four years before Oddparents? Spongebob still does well on Saturday mornings (a large part of why Young Justice and Green Lantern were canceled I'm sure is because they could never beat it) but that may be because of how much its trusted with parents, and I could see a number of them around the country who would think anything else that was on would be "too dark".
Kids just might be getting burnt out on the ol' sponge. It's been overplayed to death for over a decade now, and sometimes took up over a third of Nick's schedule in years past. Fairy Odd Parents has had less overexposure on Nick in recent years than Spongebob, so kids might be getting more out of something they don't see too often than a show they can watch anytime.
Like, SpongeBob still does better than just about anything else on the network, at least right now, but there are periods at a time when it days way less than before. I think for a while, Nick even cut down a lot of its daily airings.
As much as Nick hates to admit it, kids do get tired of things. Before Pokemon came back in a big way, kids lost interest in it, and Power Rangers never really regained its prominence from the early 90's. Hell, even iCarly, which at its peak did better then SpongeBob, lost a lot of momentum until it ended. What makes the sponge so special?
Quote from: Avaitor on August 02, 2013, 12:21:59 PM
Like, SpongeBob still does better than just about anything else on the network, at least right now, but there are periods at a time when it days way less than before. I think for a while, Nick even cut down a lot of its daily airings.
As much as Nick hates to admit it, kids do get tired of things. Before Pokemon came back in a big way, kids lost interest in it, and Power Rangers never really regained its prominence from the early 90's. Hell, even iCarly, which at its peak did better then SpongeBob, lost a lot of momentum until it ended. What makes the sponge so special?
Hate to admit it? More like they're totally oblivious, they put all the blame on Nielsen throughout last year. As if it was unfathomable for Disney or CN to beat them in any timeslot. To add to your examples, let's also not forget how burned out the Rugrats fandom finally got when they kept making all those spinoffs. Heck, no spinoffs is probably the only reason Spongebob has stayed afloat for so long.
T.U.F.F. Puppy is cancelled. (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/nicktoons-forum/311908-t-u-f-f-d-u-n-n.html)
Never saw it. I take it the show wasn't very good?
I honestly didn't think it was that bad. Dudley was the only one who would screech at the top of his lungs. Kitty, Kegswick and the Chief were decent characters. I'm sure almost everyone else here hated it, but it was a decent fun show that didn't deserve to get buried by Nick.
It really is ridiculous that Nick won't give any cartoon that's not Spongebob or FOP a decent shot at getting as much popularity. TMNT is the only series that hasn't their schedule messed with.
I've known it was cancelled for ages. You don't shuffle a show off to Nicktoons oblivion unless you're done with it.
I'm sure Darryl Heine will be torn up about this, but who cares.
I think after the failure of Korra Nick is going to double down. The new movie will likely generate a huge buzz of new Sponge popularity, so they'll just ride that wave.
Last I checked, Sanjay and Craig was doing alright. Did that change?
But yeah, I don't think it was much of a surprise that this one is over. I haven't seen the show, but from what I can tell, Nick has been doing nothing with it for a while now.
It's doing alright for now. But I fully expect it to duffer the same fate.
I actually thought it was pretty funny back when it started (by Hartman standards anyway, it was leagues better than either of his two previous shows), but I haven't even seen it in a couple years. Guessing that didn't last.
To be honest I barely watch cartoons at all anymore. Other than Gravity Falls, I can't think of anything "new" that's actually held my interest longer than a month. Eh... don't look now, but I'm becoming one of "those guys".
I DVR TTA and Animaniacs each day, plus I occasionally watch stuff on Boomerang, but other than that I don't watch many cartoons anymore either.
Yeah, I mean... I still watch older stuff occasionally. Running through Daria again. And I finally picked up the last DVD of Harvey Birdman that I've been missing all these years.
I dunno, I just cannot get into most of what's on TV right now. I tried so hard to get into Adventure Time (a lot of girls I work with like it from what I've noticed), but... it just doesn't do it for me. As a kid I'm sure I would've loved it, and if it had nostalgia working in it's favor I could probably still watch it now, but with neither of those things it's just "there".
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Yeah, I mean... I still watch older stuff occasionally. Running through Daria again. And I finally picked up the last DVD of Harvey Birdman that I've been missing all these years.
I dunno, I just cannot get into most of what's on TV right now. I tried so hard to get into Adventure Time (a lot of girls I work with like it from what I've noticed), but... it just doesn't do it for me. As a kid I'm sure I would've loved it, and if it had nostalgia working in it's favor I could probably still watch it now, but with neither of those things it's just "there".
You think it's bad now? Wait until you turn 25, then you won't be able to enjoy anything anymore.
Sarcasm aside, cartoons have gotten so bland and sterilized that it's really hard to get into anything anymore. Like you, the only thing new I watch anymore is Gravity Falls, and that still won't have new episodes for a while.
I have Archer!
And that's about it. Although Space Dandy is fun so far. Oh, and Boondocks is coming back soon apparently.
Boondocks, Gravity Falls, Adventure Time, Archer, Bob's Burgers, Rick & Morty, Kill la Kill, Space Dandy, and whatever's airing in Spring like Jojo's and Psycho-Pass 2.
I forgot about Archer, but then again I did miss the season premier the other day. Probably should just set my DVR for that too(seriously, this thing is a godsend).
I keep on forgetting to catch up with Bob's Burgers.
But honestly, I'm watching a LOT of shows, it's just that very few are animated nowadays.
Let's see right now, as far as currently running shows, I'm watching the following cartoons
Adventure Time, Regular Show, Steven Universe, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Gravity Falls, Wander Over Yander, Archer, Bob's Burgers, American Dad, Rick & Morty, South Park, Kill La Kill, Pokemon XY, Space Dandy, Robot Chicken, Venture Bros, Legend of Korra.
Really, a whole lot of comedies.
Forgot about American Dad, and I guess Kill la Kill (although I'm way behind on that right now).
So I guess there's more, but really that's about it. Archer and Bob's Burgers seem like the kind of stuff I should be able to get into, but haven't really sat down and watched them much. After that... I dunno.
My decreased interest in modern cartoons has lead me to start getting into live-action TV shows that I never bothered to keep up with because I wasn't into them at the time. That's how I got into Breaking Bad, Dexter, and some Joss Whedon shows. That said, I haven't watched too much from the past few years.
I like Kill La Kill, as far as anime series go. As for Space Dandy, it's OK, but I wouldn't necessarily say I love it (currently I'd say Level E is a better comedy about aliens, but maybe I'm just too biased). I've been watching Magi and finding it to be above mediocre as far as shounen series go, but overall still kind of "been there, done that" territory. Of course I still watch Hunter X Hunter, but the anime's pacing has really gotten too slow for my liking, and unlike most series they have no excuse because they have all of the material that they need from the manga to get to a perfect ending spot without any filler material.
As for American cartoons, I didn't hate Korra Book 2 like everyone else did, and even found it to be above average compared to most cartoons out these days, but on the whole it was also rather underwhelming and full of problems compared to previous seasons of Avatar. Other than that....yeah, I can't think of any real recent series that have had me hooked. I tried a few episodes of Gravity Falls and enjoyed it, but it's not the type of series that would keep me constantly watching it until I caught up with every single episode (it's more like something I'd watch an episode of if I happen to catch it while I'm flipping through channels). I still haven't tried Adventure Time, but I'm skeptical that it would actually do anything for me. And as for the modern DC animated shows, I'm just not on board with them (the last really good one, IMO, was GLTAS, IMO).
Seriously, whoever here isn't watching Archer should give it a chance. The first season is fine, but if you're not a fan by the end of season 2, I'd be shocked.
Quote from: Avaitor on January 19, 2014, 01:40:24 PM
Seriously, whoever here isn't watching Archer should give it a chance. The first season is fine, but if you're not a fan by the end of season 2, I'd be shocked.
Agreed. I think it's easily the funniest TV series I've ever seen, animated or otherwise.
An interesting discussion at "the other site." (http://tinyurl.com/m6wkgcu)
So I guess his latest pilots for Nick were rejected. Well, I guess he's done there, unless FOP gets renewed again (which is a likely scenario).
Quote from: Daikun on August 05, 2014, 02:42:40 PM
An interesting discussion at "the other site." (http://tinyurl.com/m6wkgcu)
So I guess his latest pilots for Nick were rejected. Well, I guess he's done there, unless FOP gets renewed again (which is a likely scenario).
If
Spongebob Squarepants is basically Nickelodeon's equivalent of
The Simpsons in terms of longevity and how much the network continues milking it, then FOP is their equivalent to
Family Guy in how that show just refuses to die.
Fairly OddParents could get renewed; after all, even the crew thought the show was dead when the season eight renewal was just the channel ordering a handful of specials...then it got a ninth season of 26 half-hours. Need to wait it out and see how the rest of the season does in the ratings. We'll know it's cancelled if the show gets moved to Nicktoons.
It really does seem like the time for FOP to end, especially since it lost its relevancy years ago.
The only question is, what is Nick going to replace it with? Besides SpongeBob and I guess TMNT, Nick doesn't have much of its own right now.
Quote from: Avaitor on August 05, 2014, 09:28:01 PM
It really does seem like the time for FOP to end, especially since it lost its relevancy years ago.
The only question is, what is Nick going to replace it with? Besides SpongeBob and I guess TMNT, Nick doesn't have much of its own right now.
And especially since the recent live-action movie ends with Timmy dying and being brought back to life as a fairy. In terms of replacing the show, I think that
Sanjay and Craig or even
Breadwinners is gaining enough viewership and popularity with the target audience to take FOP's place as second banana to the Sponge.
Quote from: Avaitor on August 05, 2014, 09:28:01 PM
The only question is, what is Nick going to replace it with?
It's modern Nickelodeon.
So, nothing.
Quote from: Avaitor on August 05, 2014, 09:28:01 PM
It really does seem like the time for FOP to end, especially since it lost its relevancy years ago.
The only question is, what is Nick going to replace it with? Besides SpongeBob and I guess TMNT, Nick doesn't have much of its own right now.
Can they really market TMNT as their own?
Quote from: talonmalon333 on August 05, 2014, 10:03:06 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on August 05, 2014, 09:28:01 PM
It really does seem like the time for FOP to end, especially since it lost its relevancy years ago.
The only question is, what is Nick going to replace it with? Besides SpongeBob and I guess TMNT, Nick doesn't have much of its own right now.
Can they really market TMNT as their own?
The entire franchise was sold to Nickelodeon (and by extension, Viacom) back in 2009, so yes.
They have the license to the entire TMNT and Power Rangers franchises, and they still fail to utilize that to their advantage.
Then as far as I'm concerned, when SpongeBob fades away, their best chance from a marketing point of view is to take the TMNT brand and use it as well as they can for all it's worth.
wait what? i didnt know they owned tmnt. not sure how to feel about that.
Quote from: gunswordfist on August 05, 2014, 11:23:49 PM
wait what? i didnt know they owned tmnt. not sure how to feel about that.
Yep. (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ninja-turtles-snapped-nickelodeon-90318) No coincidence that the new TMNT is being made by sister company Paramount.
Yeah, it isn't a Dreamworks-like deal, they own TMNT lock, stock and barrel. Considering I can't tell if it'll stick around to usurp SpongeBob, but considering how long the other shows lasted, and that this one's doing pretty okay, I can see it at least make it to triple digits.
Power Rangers, meanwhile, is pretty much just a nostalgic franchise now. Don't expect any new series to keep butts in seats.
I'll be completely honest, as someone who only watches Nick for Avatar/Korra and the occasional classic Spongebob rerun, I thought FOP ended years ago.
i also recently just found out fop still had new episodes.
Yeah, if you don't actively keep up with Nick, you probably don't know that FOP is still around. I'm surprised that I'm aware, myself.
But it's funny how by the era, the kids network's biggest shows and their deputies compliment their runs on the networks for the most part. SpongeBob and FOP; Rugrats and Arnold; Adventure Time and Regular Show.
I'm really surprised Nick so far hasn't reran either the 1987 or 2003 TMNT series, I thought for sure they would've.
They could compliment so many shows with other shows but won't do it.
You'd think the 80's show would at least make it onto The 90's Are All That here or there or 2003 could air on Nicktoons, but yeah, Nick just isn't interested in them.
Too obvious.
80s TMNT is obvious Nick at Nite bait, but they just don't seem to be interested.
I'm starting to think they've just given up.
I don't know what to think. It just doesn't make any sense to me.
I mean, they even pulled out the original Mighty Morphin' for 90's Are All That. I know that TMNT started in the 80's, but it did run for even longer in the 90's and was still popular for the first handful of years into the decade.
Plus, it'd be a welcome change from the neverending stream of Rugrats and Arnold repeats that they air. Although we are getting pretty off-topic.
God knows Nick needs the ratings either TMNT would give them.
This probably isn't the right thread for this, but someone made a post with a sampling of characters particular voice actors have handled. For Tom Kenny, this is what they came up with.
(https://33.media.tumblr.com/f131b62c4804ae3be71d79bf19863486/tumblr_ncj9apBMjx1rhavdko5_500.png)
Not Heffer
Not Ice King
Not Eduardo
Not Gary
But the fucking Cupid character from that one Valentine's Day episode that people barely remember.
And look at these, for comparison.
(https://38.media.tumblr.com/f6f2e6e8090f73eec7139ce52dab4303/tumblr_ncj9apBMjx1rhavdko10_500.png)
(https://33.media.tumblr.com/3eb51629acd1841453ac2b3919ad3a07/tumblr_ncj9apBMjx1rhavdko4_500.png)
(https://38.media.tumblr.com/b1d4bc358e52511da3a16b0dd27f4eb0/tumblr_ncj9apBMjx1rhavdko2_500.png)
Obviously these aren't complete (I would have put Spacely in Mel's, and considered Genie for Castellaneta), but these are much rounder, and feature many of their most remembered roles. Not some unimportant one-off from one of this generation's most prolific VAs, over half a dozen other characters.
That's it for Tom Kenny? Four voices? Come on. :unimpressed:
Cupid isn't a one-off character. He appears in multiple episodes, several in a significant role.
It doesn't change the fact that it's stupid that they remembered him and not Heffer or Ice King, but still, he is a recurring character in FOP.
I honestly don't Cupid beyond that episode, but then again, I haven't seen the show in years.
Nick's upfront was recently announced, and guess which show wasn't mentioned for the coming year.
It's been long overdue, if you ask me.
Took them long enough to let it go. I doubt anyone even remembers it was still on.
Good riddance.
I can't remember the last time I watched Nick regularly. 10 years ago?
It won't die. (http://deadline.com/2015/08/the-fairly-oddparents-renewed-season-10-nickelodeon-1201500859/)
I don't believe it. :lol:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :zonk:
I don't know what's more pathetic, that they keep adding more seasons or that they keep adding new characters.
What are the ratings for Nick these days? Are they still tanking?
QuoteJoining the cast of characters for Season 10 is Chloe Carmichael, an enthusiastic, funny and over-achieving little girl who Timmy will have to share his fairies with.
:wth: Jesus, how many times will this show jump the shark before Nick finally puts it out of it's misery?
You'd think with Spongebob, TMNT, Harvey Beaks, Sanjay & Craig, Alvin, Power Rangers, and their kidcoms, that they would already have enough without it on the schedule.
I wonder if Hartman has something on these people. It's really the only thing I can figure.
Yeah, this was announced a week or two after I post-hastily talked about its lack of renewal. I just didn't feel like posting about it.
I don't think kids really even know the show anymore.
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F8xalRVi.jpg&hash=8cc6198eefc801e4aed8cf3aa2786b609efca9ab)
So is this better or worse than Zombie Simpsons?
At least Simpsons doesn't keep adding dumb characters. Though they've had like a zillion guest stars.
As far as I can tell, Nick barely even airs it anymore, has no real merch for it, and it doesn't do much in the ratings. Simpsons at least still has ratings, airtime, and merch.
Toilets! Canada! Super! Vicky! Chip! Boil!
They'll never stop the FOP! Have no fears we got stories for years!
I can't believe this series is getting a 3rd Cousin Oliver character either. First it was the baby, then it was that talking dog. Now, it's a kid that Timmy has to share with his fairies with. What's next? Timmy's future child coming back in time to help him avoid having a bad future?
I honestly thought the live action films were supposed to be the series' conclusion...
Quote from: Daxdiv on August 18, 2015, 09:08:23 PM
What's next? Timmy's future child coming back in time to help him avoid having a bad future?
I'd bet money on this happening by 2020.
Quote from: Foggle on August 18, 2015, 09:18:56 PM
I honestly thought the live action films were supposed to be the series' conclusion...
I kind of thought it was too.
Quote from: Daxdiv on August 18, 2015, 09:08:23 PM
Timmy's future child coming back in time to help him avoid having a bad future?
... I think this actually happened already.
Wasn't that himself, though?
Quote from: gunswordfist on August 18, 2015, 09:27:17 PM
Wasn't that himself, though?
Maybe. Still, is there anything that they haven't already done with the concept?
You tell me. I thought the show was all reruns until you reminded me.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on August 18, 2015, 09:26:23 PM
Quote from: Daxdiv on August 18, 2015, 09:08:23 PM
Timmy's future child coming back in time to help him avoid having a bad future?
... I think this actually happened already.
I thinking more like a Doraemon situation or something. But then again, it wouldn't be the first time FOP recycled a plot line. There was a more recent episode where Timmy wished he was emo or something to impress a girl. Which was kinda similar to concept to that episode where he wished he had no emotions
What do you all really care if you don't watch it anymore?
Quote from: Peanutbutter on August 19, 2015, 09:47:53 AM
What do you all really care if you don't watch it anymore?
It's a waste of paper, money, and effort that could go to something new and promising, for a series that is beyond irrelevant. At least kids do still like SpongeBob, but I don't know of any child that really even knows what FOP is. That's what gets to me.
Quote from: Avaitor on August 19, 2015, 10:41:53 AM
Quote from: Peanutbutter on August 19, 2015, 09:47:53 AM
What do you all really care if you don't watch it anymore?
It's a waste of paper, money, and effort that could go to something new and promising, for a series that is beyond irrelevant. At least kids do still like SpongeBob, but I don't know of any child that really even knows what FOP is. That's what gets to me.
I would agree with this. Nick needs something that will bring in the kids and the ratings. This show has proven to do neither for about half its run.
For a company that has had no problem throwing away well preforming shows in the past because they weren't at Spongebob's level of popularity, the fact that they keep FOP around is nonsensical when it's been a proven dud for years.
Just find it odd how this gets more attention here than the sponge does. I saw some episodes of it with Poof and thought they were okay, but nothing special. Haven't watch it since so maybe it does suck horribly now. I still think it's silly to care about one show getting renewed when you're not watching it in the first place. Plus, Nick has finally started greenlighting more cartoons so the whole "it's a waste because other shows aren't getting an opportunity" sentiment is false.
Spongebob barely ever airs new episodes. It's still burning off its season 9 order from a few years ago and most airings center on season 1-4 episodes. That and getting Hillenburg back means Nick is actively trying to keep it afloat.
The reason we don't talk about it much is literally because of their slow season 9 burn-off and that we're waiting for Hillenburg's return to see how that goes.
Quote from: Peanutbutter on August 19, 2015, 01:57:05 PMPlus, Nick has finally started greenlighting more cartoons so the whole "it's a waste because other shows aren't getting an opportunity" sentiment is false.
Not really. There are only so many spots on the schedule to air shows. This takes up a spot to air a show. Therefore it is taking the spot of something else that could be airing there.
I don't care - I don't even have network television, no less cable. I just can't resist poking fun at Butchman. The rules!!!
Also, I had no clue that Hillenburg has yet to return. I almost hope his return sucks because I do not want a reason to watch Spongebob again. It has gone that far for me but watch me eat my words when I'm watching every episode later on. :sweat:
Quote from: gunswordfist on August 19, 2015, 04:52:03 PM
I don't care - I don't even have network television, no less cable. I just can't resist poking fun at Butchman. The rules!!!
Also, I had no clue that Hillenburg has yet to return. I almost hope his return sucks because I do not want a reason to watch Spongebob again. It has gone that far for me but watch me eat my words when I'm watching every episode later on. :sweat:
Season 9 has literally been airing for over 3 years now. That's how parsed out it is. Season 10 was going to be made, but turned into production of the second movie instead. I think we're all thankful for that.
Now Hillenburg is back and they're beginning production on season 10. Until season 9 finally burns off, we really won't know if it has gotten any better, but people are hopeful after the positive reaction of the second movie.
:zonk: 3 years? That has to break Making The Band 2's record...
Hartman's new show. (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/nickelodeon-greenlights-animated-series-oddparents-848666)
The show doesn't look like copy/paste FOP designs, unlike Danny Phantom or that stupid dog show. The premise sounds like it could be good...if it were anyone but Hartman. He can feel free to prove me wrong.
I've only vaguely kept up with what's been going on with this new season of FOP, but this webcomic has a good point.
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Forig11.deviantart.net%2F6d7e%2Ff%2F2016%2F034%2F2%2F8%2F2857e10b51bf92a71537b17f93e2073a-d9qe4dk.jpg&hash=049d3acb983d075e342a4e592e437ff76195d3a6)
While Mary Sue is a sexist and tired cliche, the phrase seems to fit for this girl here. I don't know why they found it to be a good idea to add her in.
But you know what's really weird? The new intro. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D56T-r3Dz28)
That new intro really is a childhood demolisher.
They really are completely out of ideas.
Mary Sue is completely lifeless in that intro. Is she that bad in the show? Also, I almost never thumbs down but when I do..
Not only do they reuse footage for the intro, the singers sound totally and utterly bored. It's like "Pinky, Elmyra, and the Brain" without any self-awareness of how bad it is.
Why is this show still on television?
...I still can't believe it is. I thought it was canceled like 10 years ago.
Quote from: gunswordfist on February 12, 2016, 10:18:22 PMMary Sue is completely lifeless in that intro. Is she that bad in the show? Also, I almost never thumbs down but when I do..
Yep. She usually just stands and does
absolutely nothing during the course of the episode, then she comes up with a perfect wish that fixes everything at the end. It's total bullshit.
Mr. Enter did a review of the season premiere. It's better to just watch his review than actually give Nickelodeon ratings for this tripe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3K1SWZrqdw
Its likely none of us here are in Nielsen homes so that shouldn't be a problem. Haven't watched FOP in a while, but yeesh. That intro is just silly for the wrong reasons. The singers do sound bored, and the constant cutting away to Timmy with him bashing her its like Timmy is self aware and utterly horrified himself at how desperate the show has become.
I really don't see how adding this girl is necessary. There's plenty of better ways they could extend the show like actually do more with Trixie's backstory of being a closet tomboy. They never did anything with that past that one episode, all they'd have to do is explore that angle and stretch it out if they need to. I'm confidant enough to say it would have better results than what that messy intro implies.
Yeah, I still wouldn't watch it, but if they wanted to do something different, they easily could have expanded on Trixie or even Tootie.
But this new girl. Why?
Quote from: Daikun on February 12, 2016, 10:43:51 PM
Quote from: gunswordfist on February 12, 2016, 10:18:22 PMMary Sue is completely lifeless in that intro. Is she that bad in the show? Also, I almost never thumbs down but when I do..
Yep. She usually just stands and does absolutely nothing during the course of the episode, then she comes up with a perfect wish that fixes everything at the end. It's total bullshit.
Mr. Enter did a review of the season premiere. It's better to just watch his review than actually give Nickelodeon ratings for this tripe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3K1SWZrqdw
Thank for the life-saver.
I still question... WHERE THE FUCK IS POOF AND SPARKY? You already aired like 4 episodes of this and I have yet to see you have the baby and the dog in one of them. I do wonder the same thing Mr. Enter did and are we gonna get episodes where she meets the baby and the dog.
But yeah, everything about the season opener felt like someone self-insert Mary-Sue Fanfiction, point for point. Timmy was a major dick, everyone loved Chloe for no good reason, she was literally described as "The Most Perfect Human Being" in the world, is friend with the president, has a sweet looking room, etc. Also her reason for having fairies is pretty lame, I mean everyone has their bad days and all, but remember the key thing, Timmy only got his fairies because his life is shit.
I'm positive that there's an alternate universe where Nickelodeon let Hillenburg end SpongeBob after the movie, like he wanted to, and they groomed FOP into their Rugrats replacement.
I wonder how that turned out.
I'm still pondering the universe where Invader Zim had 15 years of episodes while FOP fizzled out yet became a cult hit with Hot Topic kids.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on February 14, 2016, 09:46:52 AM
I'm still pondering the universe where Invader Zim had 15 years of episodes while FOP fizzled out yet became a cult hit with Hot Topic kids.
:drool:
So I guess he's on YouTube now. (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8iVuEUisbubpH9z5p0eUsg/videos)
Hartman has another pilot.
This time for Cartoon Network. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJzTSD-I-RQ)
It's happening lads, FOP has moved to Nicktoons. (https://twitter.com/nickandmore/status/814230022311608321) It's basically like the kiss of death at this point, especially since over Christmas Eve, I saw clips of episodes that aired in other countries, and it turns out that they switched the animation to Flash.
You can make a show look good in flash (cough, Wakfu, cough), or you can use its tricks for cheap shortcuts. I can guess what they chose.
They're promoting the move to Nicktoons with a 60-hour marathon and all, so they might not be quite done with the show yet. But with how much they're cutting corners and shafting the series to the sister network, they might as well let it end at this point. The well ran dry a while ago.
Quote from: LumRanmaYasha on December 29, 2016, 04:57:49 PM
You can make a show look good in flash (cough, Wakfu, cough), or you can use its tricks for cheap shortcuts. I can guess what they chose.
If these are anything to go by... (https://twitter.com/MattBooFlipnote/status/809144323778416640) yep they cheapened out. (https://twitter.com/Mesousa2877/status/812722665513517056)
Nick wasted more money by picking it up for the last season only to do this to it. This company is hopeless.
Oh well, at least FOP is finally on the way out.
Bunsen is a Beast premieres January 16 at 8PM.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN4F-ufe01A
Nick debuted an animated short crossing over all four of Hartman's shows.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8I8vhGHC2E
It's amazing how it gets worse and worse with each show's cast added to the short, too.
What are you doing, Butch? (https://twitter.com/realhartman/status/898380842178760704)
Butch has been really interested in anime recently, what with re-drawing various anime characters in his art style. Heck, he's even a guest at Crunchyroll Expo. My guess is that he's planning to make an anime-style action-comedy for his next show.
Butch has left Nickelodeon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4faDISwSVo)
He must have been annoyed that Nick never agreed with his not so subtle hints that he wanted to bring back Danny Phantom back.
He should have left Nick a decade sooner. It was obvious they only cared about Fairly Oddparents, and even that eventually got pushed to the wayside and then mangled by adding that girl. At least he's finally seen the writing on the wall. I wish him the best of luck.
Butch held a post-Nick career Q&A. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3XgQhcP0XE)
He's starting his own production studio and he's hiring staff. He also has a new series in the works called Elf Detective and he's looking to pitch the series to Netflix or Crunchyroll. Glad to see he has a roadmap for the future.
Butch explains what the deal was with Fairly Oddparents' bizarre tenure. (https://youtu.be/43VxQEuKqww) Turns out they kept cancelling the show, but suddenly uncancelled it immediately after because of the ratings.
It seems Nick never had a clear idea of what they wanted from their animation department even back then. It's kinda funny that they underestimated FOPs popularity and success so many times in such a short span of time.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgCrlY3WAAA6Agk.jpg:large)
Butch is trying to make his own network. (https://youtu.be/qhwNAMgX6ms)
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on June 19, 2018, 12:56:17 PMButch is trying to make his own network. (https://youtu.be/qhwNAMgX6ms)
A famous Nicktoons creator goes to Kickstarter to launch a network?
Yeah, we've been down this rabbit hole before. (http://animationrevelation.com/forum/index.php?topic=219.0) Forgive me for being skeptical.
I don't know how it would even work. What shows and movies would he put in his network? Because with a quarter million, the best you could get are some public domain cartoons and obscure direct to video movies.
Not sure about it working, but the attempt I hope will inspire others to something like his idea even if it fails. I wish the best of luck to him on this.
Uh oh. Someone is getting salty after a couple (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWpRjCEqkUA) of YouTubers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXRaTU0JsJ4) called out his Kickstarter...
https://twitter.com/realhartman/status/1010262519481434112
https://twitter.com/realhartman/status/1010261627927580672
Butch probably would have gotten a warmer response if he showed examples of what Oaxis would be? Like promo sketches or animatics of shows he would make or present there. But instead of giving details or anything enticing, all he's offering is "wholesome site that will reconnect the family". I don't know why Butch thinks FOP fans, Danny Phantom fans, TUFF Puppy fans, or fans of his other work would be interested in something because it's family friendly. When has a Danny Phantom fan ever said they like the show because it's fun for the whole family? By presenting yourself as the safe moral alternative site, you're only appealing to the weird parents who think Disney Channel or Netflix even with all the parental controls on are too immoral for their kids.
And that opens up another can of worms, the implication that maybe Butch is pandering to another kind of people by pushing the "family" angle. The same way guys like Focus on the Family or the American Family Association push the "family" angle. It's a cynical stretch, but there's usually an overlap between people who push really questionable values and people who insist they're pro-family (The new season of Luke Cage kind of portrayed that with Mariah's "Family First" initiative). Like that part of his Oaxis video where he says kids who enjoy The Exorcist have been corrupted by violent media has that uncomfortable undertone to it you get from those people who blame violent video games or R-rated movies for crimes. This assertion on being family friendly always has a connotation. It's why those G-rated comedians like Brian Regan always get annoyed when they're called family friendly.
Apparently Butch is a devout Christian and a Trump supporter, so he may be going for that angle you're bringing up.
This just seems like a weird fit. Hartman's kind of irrelevant in the grand scheme of things- Danny Phantom ended over a decade ago, TUFF Puppy almost a decade, FOP's heyday was somewhere in that era, and Bunsen is a Beast didn't catch on in the slightest. And while Phantom and Odd Parents still have fans, not many would agree that they've had satisfactory conclusions (and the latter in particular is pretty far removed from his other content). Not to mention that his video presence and his excessive need to plug his work in context where they don't belong rub me as kind of sad. I can't see too many people backing this up, or it catching on if he even gets there.
I guess he's hoping that fans from a decade ago are rekindling their interest in him, but that would be him assuming that children from a decade ago are now parents in desire of safe programming for their kids. It's like if Tartakovsky thought his now adult fans would appreciate him creating his own version of the Lawrence Welk show.
Quote from: Avaitor on June 24, 2018, 11:52:21 AM
Apparently Butch is a devout Christian and a Trump supporter, so he may be going for that angle you're bringing up.
Makes me wonder how the hell Tara Strong was able to work on FOP for so long, considering how very liberal she is on Twitter.
But yeah, I will say that watching that pitch video did nothing to compel me to donate to his cause. I remember someone else saying that if anything, maybe he should have tried to pitch a new cartoon idea. I know he keeps bringing up a project he wants to create call "Elf Detective" so I'm kinda curious to know why he didn't think to get funding for that. I mean, I know that a YouTuber I follow called The Mysterious Mr. Enter put out an Indiegogo for his idea of a cartoon. While I feel like that Mr. Enter's project will not reach it's goal, I felt more comfortable giving him money over Butch Hartman, since he at least gave us a basic premise of what he wanted to create.
I wrote an article about him. (http://animationrevelation.com/readables/?p=6839)
Good article!
I feel if anything, Hartman should consider becoming an adviser of some kind. He has some talent as an artist and has contributed good jokes before, but as a showrunner, he leaves a lot to be desired.
Yeah, it's weird. Hartman's always insisted on being the forerunner of his project instead of staying on the sidelines, but from all his interactions with Nickelodeon execs, he would seem more comfortable being an adviser than actually taking a stand. Like the creation of Chloe. When Nick told Joe Murray to introduce a new female character with a hook, he mocked that idea by giving her a literal hook. But when Nick told Butch Hartman to do the same thing, he never challenged or presented his own twist on the idea. He just gave exactly what they asked. The kind of addition whatever fans were left saw right through. They saw a new character who delivered nothing new to the show's formula, and was only a desperate attempt to save flailing ratings. In an age where even kids who are too young to know Cousin Oliver or that Simpsons episode about Poochie are media savvy enough to know that introducing new main characters in a status-quo heavy show is a bad sign.
But to be generous to Butch, maybe he lost his passion for FOP a long time ago, and only kept coming back even after Nick cancelled the show five times because he thought this would give him enough clout to push his Danny Phantom 2 idea. Maybe giving the okay to those Drake Bell movies was Butch hoping that would add a little leeway for him to make his passion project. And once it became clear that it wouldn't happen even in Nick's current era of rebooting and uncancelling everything else, he jumped ship to make YouTube videos.
Hartman reveals his 3 new shows for Oaxis. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LR9ha_BgLc)
He should've shown these off at the START of the campaign. He only has a week left now to raise full funding.
All of these sound like they were made up on the spot. And what happened to Elf Detective?
Anyone (and 599 other people) got $99 to spare for Butch? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agFakCwRNXk)
His precious Kickstarter is ending today. :frown:
One mysterious banker gave thirty grand and fully funded the project. What an odd occurrence.
Who wants to bet it was Butch himself?
Weird that it came in last minute, but a couple of his cartoon ideas sounded good so if he can deliver on this more power to him. I do wonder who the backer was. Seth MacFarlene? Fred Seibert? Someone else he knows? I can't shake the feeling this was by someone that knows him, but oh well goal achieved I guess.
>Oaxis would have been funded anyway
>You can't criticize me if you never contributed to the field of animation, even though I did a tweet a month or so ago about how being nice to people is the key to success.
What a chode of a dude.
Quote from: Avaitor on June 24, 2018, 11:52:21 AMApparently Butch is a devout Christian and a Trump supporter, so he may be going for that angle you're bringing up.
...and, unsurprisingly, you're completely right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4e3iaXW-aY
https://twitter.com/RiseFallNick/status/1019818268306083840
Yikes.
He has the nerve to blame suicide on the media after that Danny Phantom fan shot himself and three other guys last year.
The responses are directed toward one person that has had it out for him.
https://twitter.com/animeoutsiders/status/1020092441909657603
Hartman has been an open Christian for years, and he stated up front that Oaxis was going to be a family-friendly outlet which goes hand-and-hand with Christianity. The idea that he was somehow masking this being a Christian thing is ludicrous. Also, TRAFON is an idiot.
The only possible scandal in this situation is where the sudden thirty grand came from, but until it's proven Hartman sent it to himself there isn't any there there yet. Chances are if Oaxis is a pyramid scheme it will unravel in no time.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on July 19, 2018, 07:05:09 PM
He has the nerve to blame suicide on the media after that Danny Phantom fan shot himself and three other guys last year.
It's not the sole cause of suicide, but he raised a good point. The media DOES make people more depressed as studies have shown.
Now, THIS is much more disturbing and worrying......
https://twitter.com/FRANKIE_MENT4L/status/1020137969385197568
:whuh: :wth:
Right now, most of the Oaxis stuff is primarily hearsay, but this, there's no excuse for.
That joke was too far and unnecessary, but there are some real nuts still trying to go after Butch because he wants to a Christian network. Also, some other people in a Discord found out the $30,000 Butch got at the eleventh hour likely came from a megachurch. Nothing really wrong with that, but it isn't going to make the heat die off.
Kuro The Artist discusses his time working for Butch Hartman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHxuVslGDc0
Also, remember Elf Detective? Someone FINALLY uploaded part of the trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9lkrbkr4DA
Well, so much for OAXIS. (https://twitter.com/latestnicknews/status/1144311634678243328) :>
He's still taping Danny Phantom on everything he sees. (https://twitter.com/realhartman/status/1144404892703842304)
Looks like Elf Detective may be dead. (https://twitter.com/KuroArtist/status/1144554194143195137)
Butch and his wife have completely jumped off the deep end now. (https://twitter.com/PIEGUYRULZ/status/1271201801736519681)
Quote from: Daikun on September 14, 2018, 01:03:11 AMKuro The Artist discusses his time working for Butch Hartman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHxuVslGDc0
Update: Butch never paid him. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrgv0YN9tSw)
Surprised Kuro didn't reference the Ember Ghost Squad shit if he wanted to question Butch's understanding of DP fans.
Hartman's passive-agressive "response" to Kuro. (https://twitter.com/KuroArtist/status/1273480756409634818)
So, anybody willing to buy Butch's newest cartoon? Only $130 for 35 minutes of content. (https://www.thegardencartoon.com/)
Kuro has finally been paid. (https://twitter.com/KuroArtist/status/1293177516463661061) He had to sue Butch to make it happen.
Oaxis has kinda soft-launched. (https://oaxis.tv/category/comedy)
These are just links to his YouTube videos. What's the point?
People actually donated money to this...
I watched one of his "shows", and why? (https://youtu.be/Pm28K7hjZpQ)
So, yeah...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMTpcLIXoAIxl0b?format=jpg&name=small)
Why? If FOP's still a viable enough IP that they can milk money off of it, why a janky-looking sitcom like this instead of restarting the assembly line and cranking out more shitty seasons of the old show?
Because they'd have to start paying Hartman again. :>
Would they? They wouldn't need to bring back Butch in any capacity. And with a few exceptions, cartoon creators don't make that much in royalties from their work.
I was joking.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fr2lG0pWYAAK2Pm?format=jpg&name=medium)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fr2lZC-WwAAacf0?format=jpg&name=medium)
...once again, a new FOP reboot is in the works. (https://twitter.com/TVShowFreak123/status/1638632381601947652)
My first thought is "who on earth could possibly want this", but then apparently the live-action show won a KCA, so maybe there's still an audience for it.
It won a KCA, but it also got cancelled and pulled off Paramount+, so I don't know what the strategy is there for the franchise. Funny this is the third time the big idea to keep the IP flowing is "find a new kid for Cosmo and Wanda to be fairies to", like everybody at Nick's decided the worst part of the show is Timmy. Which isn't entirely wrong. A kid gets reality-warping fairies for over 10 seasons, and his life is still stuck in the same meandering status quo?
According to the series bible, at least this new kid doesn't have an existing relation/connection with Timmy other than having Cosmo & Wanda. Though I do wonder how different the new kid will be from Chloe, since she did try to use her wishes for good as well & when it did, it blew up in her face.
Because adding Chloe ultimately didn't change the bigger picture, and it was still a status quo show where they had to repeat the "Be careful what you wish for" cliche to hell and back. There's only so many times you can pull out the monkey's paw trick without audiences going "Just wish for no negative side-effects on all your future wishes".
Honestly, I forgot what the appeal of FOP even was in the first place. It's one of those Nick shows I remember watching all the time as a kid but have so little nostalgia for that I don't even remember why I watched it besides having nothing else to do. At least with Danny Phantom, I can still get why people liked it since it's just Spider-Man with ghosts, but not FOP. I guess there's the whole "Here's this kid with a shitty childhood, now watch him get back at the people who wrong him by making wishes" hook the Oh Yeah shorts had, but like I said, status quo. Timmy could have wished for the worst possible thing to happen to Vicky, and we all knew they'd go back to normal by the end of the episode or movie, and everybody just gets a little worse with each season.
Like I know that's It's a Wonderful Life episode is despised, but it captures the general "Why should I give a shit?" malaise of the show. That Timmy sucks so much everyone around him would be a better person if he didn't exist. That the MC of the series is so unbelievably bad at learning how to better himself even when he has a leg up on everyone else thanks to having fairy godparents. And maybe kids like him are beyond helping.