The thread title is obvious, but I also wanted some opinions on why you (if you do) hate Green Day in particular? What puts them at the level of bands like Nickleback, Creed, Limp Bizkit or other hated bands? I'm honestly asking this question to you guys.
If you can offer me some criticism on the lyrics, dynamics, and general song writing of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hhGH7d8qRw), this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxaXPEJXHLQ), this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fp7GttdpXM&feature=related) (yes, that's a Replacements reference), this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhAJm3cHq2M) and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AC7ebHkFcY) .... Because I see a lot to like and I don't really see why they got such blind hatred comparable to those earlier bands. They wrote some very good songs, so I'd really like to hear some conflicting opinions.
I'm very picky with punk in general. Probably more so than any subgenre of rock. The popish stuff overall does little for me, particularly stuff like Green Day and The Offspring. I used to consider that the "enemy", but at the same time, it took me a while to find hardcore, post-hardcore, post-punk, or even traditional punk for me to enjoy, and I'm still like that.
I've been warming up to their earlier stuff, however. There's some good material throughout most of their albums, like what you've linked to. "Misery" especially has a nice sound to it that I dig. They've always had a varied sound, going over their stuff now. This still isn't my preferred type of music, but whenever "Basket Case" or something comes on the radio, I don't turn it off.
I still hate their American Idiot-era stuff, though. The non-single songs from both albums is easily forgettable, and the actual singles were and still are grossly overplayed.
On another note, Metallica. The black album turns 20 in a few days. Fuck them, fuck that album, and fuck it's "impact" in the industry. I sincerely believe the world would be a better place if it was never made.
Honestly, I think Nimrod and Warning are both fantastic albums that don't get nearly enough credit. Kerplunk is a fantastic little album. Their 'side project' that they released between American Idiot and that shit stain album is better than both. Most people just tend to go off their last two albums or the singles from Dookie to judge their entire sound off of.
I dunno, I always thought material like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vmc4mbCBlQ) was actually comparable to some of the better punk bands. IMO, one of the few pop punk bands that seem to get what made the Ramones work, not as a punk band but as a band. Taking simplicity and making it dynamic and exciting. Something most punk bands don't seem to get.
I don't get why people say "Friday" is the worst thing to ever come out in the music world. It's like they haven't heard "Freaxxx" or their cover of "Low".
What do you think about U2, Foggle?
Honestly? The only song I've heard by them (and known that they were the ones performing it) is Sunday Bloody Sunday. Thought it was okay.
Quote from: Avaitor on August 08, 2011, 06:02:31 PM
I don't get why people say "Friday" is the worst thing to ever come out in the music world. It's like they haven't heard "Freaxxx" or their cover of "Low".
40oz, Get Crunk, and Schizophrenia are also ear-bleedingly atrocious. If you want to hear something utterly soul-sucking, attempt to listen to DAMN, their collaboration with Scene Kidz. Absolutely revolting.
Crunkcore is horrendous, and one of the only genres I can't find any redeeming artists in. It's a joke.
I can't defend modern Green Day fans. When AI came out there was girl in my class drawing pictures of Billie Joe and shit and it really annoyed me since I doubt these people ever listened to Warning at all, even though it was so much better than that album.
But, Foggle, just listen to something like Bab's Uvula Who? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5H7Yro7Us0&feature=related) from their better albums. You have to at least admit it's better than their recent stuff, right?
And fuck BrokeNCYDE.
Quote from: Avaitor on August 08, 2011, 06:13:20 PM
Crunkcore is horrendous, and one of the only genres I can't find any redeeming artists in. It's a joke.
Just curious, what are the others? :SHOCK:
Quote from: Desensitized on August 08, 2011, 06:15:01 PM
But, Foggle, just listen to something like Bab's Uvula Who? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5H7Yro7Us0&feature=related) from their better albums. You have to at least admit it's better than their recent stuff, right?
Pretty good, actually. I like it!
I don't hate Green Day; I'm actually in the boat of those who likes their early output (everything pre-American Idiot, basically... as if you couldn't see that coming).
After AI (and all the airplay those shitty songs received) though, I got tired of them pretty fast. AI was an unbelievably overrated pile of crap (I can listen to "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" if I'm in the right mood, but everything else on it is terrible... and even that song isn't really my cup of tea), while 21st Century Breakdown was just fucking horrible, and had absolutely no redeeming qualities whatsoever. I guess you could say that I hate what they've become (a mediocre, generic pop/punk sound), but I don't hate their early stuff at all; most of it is pretty good, IMO.
...as for other bands I hate? Just talking rock, I'd go with Nickelback, Creed, Metallica, Buckcherry, Three Days Grace... you know where I'm going here, basically. It's all shit, one way or another. I could probably break down my reasons for hating each band individually, but it'll take a while. ;)
Quote from: Foggle on August 08, 2011, 06:19:16 PMPretty good, actually. I like it!
That's what I'm talking about! Their material from Kerplunk through Warning is all pretty good, but they lost the plot after that. While I'm more or less okay with American Idiot, it doesn't hold a candle to their earlier work and the less said about their last album the better, but I could never put that stuff anywhere near shit like Nickleback.
There are so many reasons why Nickelback is the epitome of shit. You could write a book on all the reasons why they suck, and why they fail so hard as a rock band.
Nothing offends worse than this, though. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75cnteFDv3o) Fuck this song; fuck it until the cows come home. Every time I hear this on the radio, I have the sudden urge to find the nearest ravine, and drive my car straight into it. Even their quote unquote "best" is still incredibly awful, but this... this just... :wth:
I like how Nickelback have been seriously losing popularity in the past few years. People seem to be getting tired of their monotonous singles. Same with Rise Against and Kings of Leon, who release the same shit songs time and time again and until recently, still seemed to have sold.
Add those two to my list, as well. "Savior" is one of the worst pieces of shit I've heard.
Another one of my least favorites: Black Stone Cherry. Different from Buckcherry, obviously... but they suck just as hard.
I can't even listen to the local rock station here anymore. They play that godawful "White Trash Millionaire" song every fucking time I turn it on, and I can't stand it. How is this popular? How is this considered a general framework for the direction that rock music is going towards?
Grrrr...
I like(love) Green Day, but you already know that. I even like AI(for the most part, though not as much as earlier albums, mainly the ones Desen already highlighted) and some of 21st Century Breakdown(Last of the American Girls is a cool song), but I will admit that it's a lot of stadium rock ripoffs from the likes of Queen, Springsteen, and Bowie. The song "21 Guns" is a clear example of this, and is one of the worst tracks on the album.
As far as stuff I hate/cannot stand/whatever, there's a huge long list. Basically, I've figured it out to be pretty much anything Manga4Life says he's a fan of(Slipknot, Disturbed, Mudvayne, Godsmack, ah you get the shitty idea). Also, a lot of 80's hair metal is stuff I just can't get into.
And I like some Metallica, mainly the pre-Black album stuff(except Master of Puppets, those dumbfuck kids in high school forever ruined any chance of me liking that one), but I was listening to their cover of "Turn the Page" the other day, and I still liked it as much as I did the last time I listened to it(a few years ago). Sure, Bob Seger's original is better, but this version ain't bad.
Oh, and yes, Rise Against. I used to like them in high school, and I still maintain that Revolutions Per Minute and Siren Song for the Counterculture are awesome albums, but almost everything they've done since has infuriated me to no end.
I guess I'm one of the few people here who likes Rise Against. n_n; While I'm not a huge fan of them, I do like quite a few of their songs. I can see why people wouldn't be too fond of them though.
As for bands I hate, can't really say. The only band I've ever remotely hated was Linkin Park, and that was more of an indifference really (though I do like New Divide).
What do you all think of other pop-punk, stuff like Sum 41 or (yes, I love 'em) Blink-182? Or even Paramore? I kind of know some of your opinions, but after reading you talk about Green Day as pop-punk, I'm curious to hear what you think about the stuff that is actually popier.
Varying levels of hate for those 3. I probably hate Blink-182 the least and Paramore the most out of 'em. I'm just not a fan of pop-punk. Can't really say which is worse out of that and power metal, though crunkcore is the worst of all time.
Master of Puppets is so obnoxious.
The entire Master of Puppets album is really just a remake of Ride the Lightning when you get down to it. Just trade the cool thrasher with the overlong instrumental at the end, and you have the same structure in both-
Basic thrasher with a soft acoustic opening
Dull title track
Somewhat above average thrasher
"Deep" psuedo-ballad
Generic thrasher
Generic thrasher
And the aforementioned closing tracks
As for Sum 41, I still maintain that this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1cSk_Z8TjM) is a cool song.
And who can hate this power metal track? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjV8SHjHvHk)
This is my favorite Sum 41 song if only for how well it's constructed and changes gears multiple times (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJq3qxnyqD8) and I like how their first album had a lot of old school metal influence. If they would have continued on this style, they probably would still be really popular.
My my main problem with pop punk in general is how much it sounds like Sub-Ramones material. When a band takes the concept of "pop" and "punk" like the Smoking Popes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWl-HSnwLWs) did and makes something original, I think that's real pop punk in the way the Ramones intended it to be.
The Queers are probably my favorite pop punk group overall. I nearly added Love Songs for the Retarded, if there wasn't more than one taboo word in that combination.
Quote from: SNES Chalmers on August 09, 2011, 04:19:42 AM
What do you all think of other pop-punk, stuff like Sum 41 or (yes, I love 'em) Blink-182? Or even Paramore? I kind of know some of your opinions, but after reading you talk about Green Day as pop-punk, I'm curious to hear what you think about the stuff that is actually popier.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again; I like Paramore. I will unabashedly admit I'm a fan. Ever since I heard "Misery Business" on the radio back in 2007, and subsequently went out and bought "Riot!" days later, I've loved 'em. Hayley Williams being all kinds of awesome certainly doesn't hurt, either. ;)
Honestly, I don't really mind Blink-182 or Sum 41 either... but I will say that I liked 'em both more as a kid. Especially Blink-182; most of their music now doesn't really do so much for me as it used to. I still like "Dammit", though; that's a fun song.
I like Paramore too, but I got into them earlier than that. A girl I was going out with in high school introduced me to them, we even went to one of their concerts together. The band has always held a spot in my heart since then. And yeah, it doesn't hurt that Hayley is pretty hot(I like redheads).
There's something about Hayley that rubs me the wrong way, and ruins any possibility for me to get into Paramore. Not her looks, since she's fairly attractive. I can't put the blame on her attitude, since I don't pay enough attention to the band to know much about them. And while I don't think she's a very good singer, I think it delves deeper than just her voice.
I don't like them much at all, but they seem to be doing the right thing for other people. They're easily the most popular rock band out there now, although I'd argue that some stuff, like "The Only Exception", borderlines on pop.
Listening to their cover of GnR's "My Michelle", I'm wondering, what do you all think of AFI, if you've even listened to them much? I'm not too fond of their recent material(Decemberunderground was tolerable, everything since is eh), but I'm a huge fan of their early stuff, and Sing the Sorrow is one of my favorite albums ever, every song on the album is awesome.
Thoughts?
They don't really do anything for me either way, honestly. They have a few good songs, but they're not really my style.
I don't really hate either eras of them, but I don't really care for them at all, either. AFI is kind of just there for me.
AFI's alright, but they're really nothing special to me. Heh... it's funny you should bring this up; a few days ago, I was actually reminiscing when "Girl's Not Grey" was still getting radio airplay, and I decided to randomly listen to that song again. I think I liked it (and some of their other stuff) back then, but now... I dunno, most of their music just kinda bounces right off me. I don't "hate" them or anything, but I'm not really a fan.
Alter Bridge
Take out Scott Stapp, leave the rest of Creed, and what do you get? This, apparently. And it's just as bad as you might imagine.
All I really know about them is that the singer is working for Slash now. Never heard his voice, though.
Also, am I the only one who hates The Offspring? Even people who don't like pop punk stuff seem to love them, and I feel left out, since I can't stand anything they've ever done.
Depends. Couple of their songs are OK, if I'm in the right mood... but I'll never understand how or why Americana became as popular as it did. It goes without saying that a certain song off of that album is one of the dumbest, most outright ridiculous things I've ever heard... and you know which song I'm talking about. It kinda makes me laugh now that I think about it, but I wouldn't exactly say that's a good thing.
Their most recent album (the one from 2008-2009-ish) is also garbage. Most of their stuff, though, I'm pretty much indifferent about. Some of it's OK, some of it's stupid, but most of it doesn't really do anything for me either way.
They're a kid / young teenager band to me. They seem awesome when you listen to them as a kid, but when you get older... it just doesn't hold up anymore.
Certain bands feel that way to me like the Offspring and NoFX. I just can't listen to their songs anymore without feeling ridiculous.
I do think this one NoFX song is pretty cool (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSxFUFk-GLQ), for obvious reasons.
But yeah, not a fan either.
Americana, along with Dookie, was my first CD that I bought with my own money(I remember when every kid in my fifth grade class was singing "He asked for a 13 but they drew a 31"). Unfortunately, aside from songs like The Kids Aren't Alright, that's the only positive thing I can really say about it. I guess I've kind of outgrown The Offspring as well, but a few songs, notably "Gone Away" and "Bad Habit", I still like to listen too.
And shit, maybe I am growing up, but I find myself agreeing with you on NOFX, which for years was up there as one of my favorite bands, but now I'm finding they are hard to listen to. I can still jam Punk in Drublic and So Long and Thanks for all the Shoes(their best album in my opinion), but the rest has become pretty tired to me.
I have to appreciate "Pretty Fly (For a White Guy)" for poking fun at wiggers. My brother is one, and it's so damn ridiculous.
Would you guys care to listen to a mix-match of "Baby" and "Psychosocial"?
I'll save you the agony.
You can add both of M4L's "suggestions" to my hate list. You know what I'm talking about.
His taste in music is so hilariously awful.
I wouldn't say I hate A7X, it's just that they are like Rise Against to me. I used to like them, but over time the music just got more bland and boring that I lost interest.
Five Finger Death Punch is more of that nu-metal trash in the same vein as Disturbed or Godsmack. Their cover of Bad Company's "Bad Company" is up there as the worst cover I've had the mispleasure to hear, along with the covers of "Behind Blue Eyes" and "Simple Man"(oddly, didn't find Godsmack's cover of Zep's "Good Times Bad Times" too offensive).
Oh yeah, this should go without saying, but I really hate ICP. Some dude was listening to the shit at work the other day, and I so badly wanted to shoot something.
I've mentioned that I don't care for The Cure at all, but lately I've been trying to give them more of a chance. It turns out that I do really like some of their compositions, especially their lengthier jams.
But I realize just why I can't get into them- I hate Robert Smith. Like, a lot. Now, since I don't know him, I can't say that it's a matter of personality, but everything about him musically- his voice, his lyrics, his guitar work and songwriting- irks me to no end. The rhythm section is usually solid ,but I can't get into what's beyond that.
The Cure was a high school band for me, as were The Smiths, I haven't really listened to either of them since then. I haven't had a desire to listen to them, guess I'm just content with letting them stay in that little piece of time.
Matchbox 20.
It's Matchbox 20- Do I need a reason?
Quote from: Commode on October 16, 2011, 07:23:14 PM
I wouldn't say I hate A7X, it's just that they are like Rise Against to me. I used to like them, but over time the music just got more bland and boring that I lost interest.
Five Finger Death Punch is more of that nu-metal trash in the same vein as Disturbed or Godsmack. Their cover of Bad Company's "Bad Company" is up there as the worst cover I've had the mispleasure to hear, along with the covers of "Behind Blue Eyes" and "Simple Man"(oddly, didn't find Godsmack's cover of Zep's "Good Times Bad Times" too offensive).
Oh yeah, this should go without saying, but I really hate ICP. Some dude was listening to the shit at work the other day, and I so badly wanted to shoot something.
Never saw what made A7X all that they were cracked up to be. I used to like stuff like Shadows Fall and Lamb of God since they were musically more interesting than the nu metal and hard rock at the time but when I heard more 80's and 90's metal, I realized they weren't as good as I used to think.
Those three bands I refer to as "Fort Hood Metal". Silly macho posturing and trying too hard patriotism.
ICP still exists?
I'm still not much for Lamb of God, but Chris Adler's a heck of a drummer. His recent work on the new Megadeth was especially solid.
The band is certainly talented. It's just their style isn't very original. Same with Shadows Fall. I remember reading Guitar World magazines years ago and the guitarists for SF would talk about how formulaic and predictable nu metal was and how they were going to wipe it out. It's so funny since the whole New Wave of American Metal movement ended up in the same boat!
Yeah, it really did. It seemed like bands such as LOG, SF, Killswitch Engage, etc, were on the tracks to be the next thing in metal, but were more of just a quick placeholder for when nu died out. Nowadays, it seems like sludge (Baroness, Mastodon, High on Fire) or proggy acts (Opeth, Deafheaven, Periphery) are among the bigger ones today.
You know, I almost saw Shadows Fall live before, when they were a part of this mini-festival Anthrax were headlining a few years ago. HOF were my top priority, but they and SF were kicked out for the show, since it was at the House of Blues on Disney, and they're picky about what metal acts can play there. So it ended up just being Anthrax, Holy Grail, and Municipal Waste, and I could live without seeing any of these live (although I do like the former 2), so I bailed.
Out of the sludge bands you listed, I love Mastodon. I've seen them live twice and own all their albums. I like their warm guitar tones and soundscapes.
Odd they would kick out Shadows Fall but keep Anthrax and Municipal Waste on. Shadows Fall are pretty tame in comparsion to those bands.