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Title: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on November 11, 2011, 02:09:55 PM
Since we have one for animation and video games, I might as well make one for music too. I also want to do one for film, but I'm going to do that a couple of days later to see how a viewing of a particular movie stays in mind for my ideas of a certain genre.

Anyway, here's a few of my opinions:

Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Commode on November 11, 2011, 07:35:30 PM
*I still don't think that Nevermind The Bollocks, Here's The Sex Pistols! is a good album at all.  I don't know why the band gets so much credit or why they are so "influential", but the album itself is mediocre at best.  Give me Rocket to Russia before it anyday.  Hell, give me Bad Religion's "Suffer", that one defines punk rock more than this shit.

*While I don't like it as much as I love Kerplunk!, Dookie, Nimrod, or Warning, I don't think that American Idiot is as bad as people say it is.  21st Century Breakdown however is as bad or worse than what others say.

Uh...more might come soon.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on November 11, 2011, 08:23:01 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on November 11, 2011, 02:09:55 PM
  • At this point, I greatly prefer top 40 to modern rock. To the point where I gave up on keeping up with which bands are popular today and don't give any new act with radio play the time of day. There's still tons of crap on top 40, but at least Rise Against, Bullet for My Valentine and their ilk stay away from there.
I honestly can't believe the genre has fallen this far. Musicians have become such self-absorbed insular and above all arrogant, that their style of music is so niche, but they do little to change that fact, and I can't stand it any more.

I'd also like to add that Motown music may have the highest concentration of outright quality than any era of music. It's also the only music that pretty much everyone loves and anyone who doesn't usually has horrible musical taste.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on November 11, 2011, 11:26:28 PM
- Funk and jazz are better than rock and hip hop.
- Psychobilly is the best kind of punk.
- Dubstep and pop-punk are the worst genres of all time outside of crunkcore (but everyone with an IQ above 70 hates that last one).
- By The Way is the biggest piece of shit the Red Hot Chili Peppers have ever taken. Horrendous album.
- Metallica and Nirvana have recorded some of the most boring music I've ever heard. Especially the former.
- Radiohead and Tool are total garbage.
- Glee is an affront to the concept of music in general and should be cancelled post-haste.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on November 11, 2011, 11:47:03 PM
So how is the Chili Pepper's new album? I stopped caring ages, so I didn't check.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on November 11, 2011, 11:51:16 PM
It's okay overall. A few good funky jams reminiscent of tracks like Walkabout and Charlie in there, but only about half of it really stands out. It's definitely better than By The Way and Californication, and possibly Stadium Arcadium, but nowhere near as good as anything from their self-titled LP through One Hot Minute.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Commode on November 12, 2011, 02:50:54 AM
That song they have the radio, "Adventures of Raindance Maggie" or some shit, is pretty terrible.  I swear, RHCP seem to have the worst lyrics.  "Tick tock, I want to rock you like the 80's", I mean come on, what the hell does that mean?

And I loves my pop-punk(not too poppy like Simple Plan or Good Charlotte though.  Gotta set some boundaries).
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on November 12, 2011, 10:20:07 AM
Quote from: SNES Chalmers on November 12, 2011, 02:50:54 AM
That song they have the radio, "Adventures of Raindance Maggie" or some shit, is pretty terrible.  I swear, RHCP seem to have the worst lyrics.  "Tick tock, I want to rock you like the 80's", I mean come on, what the hell does that mean?
The actual music on that track is... decent, IMO. But yeah, the lyrics are horrifyingly bad. And not funny bad like their older stuff... just bad.

I was referring to the more intense pop-punk crap (like Simple Plan). My fucking suite-mate listens to that shit all day and it physically hurts me because the dorm room walls are so thin.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on November 12, 2011, 10:52:56 AM
RHCP lyrics have been terrible since BSSM. The lyrics might have been only about sex, but other than Sir Psycho Sexy they were just tasteful enough to be a bit clever and fun without offending anyone and the music was great. I heard the lyrics from some of their newer songs and I think they are simply not for me anymore. They're so far away from UMPP and BSSM (their best albums) that I just don't care anymore.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on November 12, 2011, 01:29:50 PM
I don't think this is too much of an unpopular opinion, but I miss guitar solos. One of my main beefs with modern rock is that they either cut down the instrumentals to just the basics, pseudo-post-punk ideas stolen from Britpop acts from over a decade ago, or in the case of "metal" acts like A7X, lame Maiden or Pantera fappage riffs that do have solos, but are super condensed and barely fit in.

Even a lot of metal bands that I do listen to don't necessarily do solos any more, but rather focus on ambiance or experimentation. Which is great, because I really like that, but I still like a good guitar solo. Be it an eloquent mess like Page, neoclassicism schlock like Yngwie, or twin trade-offs like in Maiden and Priest, I miss this in music and it seems like the guitar solo is becoming a dying art.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Commode on November 12, 2011, 02:10:15 PM
I have a strange fascination for one hit wonders.  I don't really know why, in most cases there's a reason why they are one hit wonders, they're terrible, but I still like to listen to them.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Lord Dalek on November 12, 2011, 09:08:52 PM
Coldplay is rather underrated.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on November 16, 2011, 01:08:58 PM
Oh, here's one I have about the RHCP. One Hot Minute>any album with Frusicante
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on November 16, 2011, 01:35:35 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on November 16, 2011, 01:08:58 PM
Oh, here's one I have about the RHCP. One Hot Minute>any album with Frusicante
BSSM? Nah. Mother's Milk? Maybe. Everything after One Hot Minute? You better fuckin' believe it.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on November 16, 2011, 01:46:31 PM
When all's considered, I think BSSM is a better album, but it's so overplayed to me that I kind of get tired of it. Same with Mother's Milk. Granted it's not as overplayed, but it also feels like they were trying to settle on how to sound without Slovak and weren't quite comfortable yet, and it kind of shows in a lot of it.

I always found OHM overlooked. There's some pretty cool stuff in it.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on November 16, 2011, 01:49:41 PM
Walkabout and Transcending are probably the best songs the band's ever done.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on November 16, 2011, 01:50:16 PM
One Hot Minute better than BSSM? Ugh, I don't agree. Though I would put it on par with Mother's Milk, that album is pretty overrated.

Here's something extreme. If you have never listened to any music before the 1970s (other than the Beatles, they don't count) you should not be allowed to form a band, group, or participate in the music industry. It should be a law.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on November 16, 2011, 01:52:38 PM
Quote from: Desensitized on November 16, 2011, 01:50:16 PM
Here's something extreme. If you have never listened to any music before the 1970s (other than the Beatles, they don't count) you should not be allowed to form a band, group, or participate in the music industry. It should be a law.
I want to agree with you, but there wasn't a whole lot of funk before the 70's. :(
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on November 16, 2011, 01:57:24 PM
Quote from: Foggle on November 16, 2011, 01:52:38 PM
Quote from: Desensitized on November 16, 2011, 01:50:16 PM
Here's something extreme. If you have never listened to any music before the 1970s (other than the Beatles, they don't count) you should not be allowed to form a band, group, or participate in the music industry. It should be a law.
I want to agree with you, but there wasn't a whole lot of funk before the 70's. :(
Well, what did those 70s funk artists listen to to get their style? It was a style they formed after listening to the roots of their chosen style.

If you want an original sound or approach you have to go to the original source and form your own style off of it. That's why the best punk was based on 50s rock n roll, and the best funk came from soul music, and even rock n roll that has roots in the blues. When you get too far away from the original intent, you lose the soul of the music.

Hence why all modern rock is garbage.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on November 16, 2011, 01:59:37 PM
Quote from: Desensitized on November 16, 2011, 01:57:24 PM
Well, what did those 70s funk artists listen to to get their style? It was a style they formed after listening to the roots of their chosen style.
Good point and well said.

QuoteThat's why the best punk was based on 50s rock n roll
Fuck yeah, rockabilly!
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on November 16, 2011, 02:04:05 PM
Don't forget that the best metal takes on cues from classical and jazz.

Although that's probably another unpopular opinion.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on November 16, 2011, 02:10:08 PM
Personally, the worst metal comes from groups who only listen to metal, so it wouldn't be too far off.

I personally prefer the slower stuff that tends to be more based on early 50s instrumental and such, but there's no hard rule for that.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on November 17, 2011, 12:44:05 AM
I think the bands that listen to as much if not more hardcore than actual metal are even worse. That's when you get shit metalcore, nu-thrash and watered-down crust.

Also, my favorite type of metal in recent years tends to be either black metal which takes heavily from shoegaze,  Sabbath/Maiden fappage doom/traditional which also try to sound like The Doors/The Kinks, or uber-technical death which hints grossly on jazz and whatever the fuck else they feel like adding in, depending on my mood and current releases.

That said, I find more interesting metal releases on a regular basis than any other type of music.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Commode on November 18, 2011, 04:22:05 PM
Now for some unpopular opinions I hold towards certain bands.

*I have found myself unable to listen to most of The Beatles output.  I don't know what it is, but I had all of their music on my iPod and damn near every time one of their songs came up in the shuffle, I skipped it.  Some of the music really is that bad(the weird psychedelia type tracks off of albums like The White Album and Sgt. Pepper's; "Piggies" immediately comes to mind), and while some of it I don't mind, nine times out of ten I still didn't want to listen to it.

*I don't really like Pink Floyd anymore.  Most of their music bores me now, and I've found that albums that are held in high regard like The Wall have a staggering amount of filler on them. 

*I simply cannot listen to anymore AC/DC.  At all. It's been like this for quite a while now, with the exception of Highway to Hell, but now even that's got to go.

*I don't understand the popularity of Queen.  I like "Killer Queen", and can tolerate "Bohemian Rhapsody", but the rest I find annoying.

*I don't care for Oasis, and Wonderwall is up there as one of my most hated songs of all time.  The dude's voice is whiny as shit, and it's rather grating to listen to.


Yeah, it was just a way for me to voice my displeasure for bands that I see people praise a lot.  I don't really hate any of these bands(except Oasis), and I recognize their influence and place in music history(unlike a band like The Sex Pistols), but for the reasons I listed above I just can't listen to them.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on November 18, 2011, 06:22:46 PM
I despise "Bohemian Rhapsody" so fucking much. Yet I think "Under Pressure" is one of the greatest songs ever written.

So yeah, I have a bit of an odd history with Queen.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on November 19, 2011, 02:23:38 PM
I love Queen.

In my opinion, Rock Box is better than every single rock song written in the last decade just as Run's House is better than every single rap or hip hop song. Run DMC should be required listening for every music fan.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on November 19, 2011, 03:05:38 PM
After Bruce, I think the most gifted vocalist alive is NPH. Same for acting.

And I normally hate Broadway.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: azureskies on November 22, 2011, 05:46:42 PM
I think the only controversial opinions I hold are about who should and shouldn't be on the metal Archives. Damn I'm boring...
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on November 23, 2011, 08:09:44 PM
Oh, back to Queen for a sec.

Jefferson Airplane's "Somebody to Love">theirs

Hell, JA>Queen period.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on February 11, 2012, 10:42:54 PM
Best songwriters of the 1960/1970s:

Brian Wilson
Smokey Robinson
Ray Davies
Marvin Gaye
John Fogerty
Sly Stone Stewart
Marc Bolan
George Harrison
Ronnie Van Zant
David Johansen

More than just lyrics, but general songwriting. They might co-write with others, but as a catch all I just included the main songwriter for most songs they are involved with.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on February 11, 2012, 11:40:10 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on February 11, 2012, 10:42:54 PM
Best songwriters of the 1960/1970s:
Sly Stone Stewart
Hell yeah.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on February 11, 2012, 11:43:12 PM
I've got some funk in me.  O0
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on February 12, 2012, 05:25:22 AM
I'd agree with a lot of these, but I'd also add Zappa and Iommi to the list.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on March 02, 2012, 06:35:27 PM
In my mind, not only is Amy Winehouse not a part of the 27 club, neither is Cobain. Or at least, he shouldn't be.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on March 02, 2012, 06:49:29 PM
The Monkees were actually a really good band when they were allowed to be a band. Seriously.

Listen to these (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImG5hd1gIbs) songs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URb8h4dLKps) and tell me differently. They were legitimately talented.

Starting with their third album when they were allowed to play and write all their stuff, they really proved they were more than a boy band. That's more than the Sex Pistols can ever claim.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on March 03, 2012, 02:12:14 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on March 02, 2012, 06:35:27 PM
In my mind, not only is Amy Winehouse not a part of the 27 club, neither is Cobain. Or at least, he shouldn't be.
Eh, I find that music shouldn't discriminate and that any singer who died at that age should be considered a member. Thinking otherwise is just personal bias.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on March 03, 2012, 02:47:27 PM
I guess. I'll admit that my reasoning is mostly out of personal bias.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Commode on March 03, 2012, 03:34:21 PM
I don't really understand the whole 27 club thing.  Yeah, I get that people in it all died at 27, but that's it, that's all it really is to me.  People talk about it like its supposed to be a measure of influence or importance, but all it is is a bunch of people who died young.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on March 03, 2012, 06:59:39 PM
Quote from: Comeau on March 03, 2012, 03:34:21 PM
I don't really understand the whole 27 club thing.  Yeah, I get that people in it all died at 27, but that's it, that's all it really is to me.  People talk about it like its supposed to be a measure of influence or importance, but all it is is a bunch of people who died young.
Yeah, that's all it is to me.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on March 03, 2012, 07:24:37 PM
Because if you die that young everyone thinks your best material is yet to be heard.

Which is lame because there's tons of artists who don't get really good until after that age (with years of crap before then) and plenty who peak way before then. It's completely weird that such a club even exists since most artists in it were already heading for a slump. But I digress.

It is a shame that they all died young, nevertheless.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on March 03, 2012, 08:17:28 PM
Oh, I forgot to mention that my letter to the editor was published. If you know me, you can pretty much guess what it was about.

I've gotten a few positive reactions so far (outside my folks), so I'm glad I was able to put it out there.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Nel_Annette on March 03, 2012, 10:57:04 PM
As a prog metal fan, I will never understand the love for Pain of Salvation and why many put them alongside other prog metal giants. Daniel Gildenlow is an awful singer, you can't convince me otherwise.

...Well, that felt good.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on March 03, 2012, 11:03:11 PM
They're "deep". That's why.

I think they're decent, and nothing more.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Nel_Annette on March 03, 2012, 11:09:39 PM
I dunno about deep, man. Every other song just seems to be him trying to sing as poetically as possible about banging someone. XD

Remedy Lane has some great moments musically, but that's about as far as I'll go. Scarsick was awful with the pseudo-rapping, and the two Road Salt albums just killed it for me.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Commode on March 07, 2012, 04:36:58 PM
Can someone tell me what people see in Andrew W.K.?  I don't get it, I don't hate him or anything, but I am a bit puzzled by his high status on the internet.  From what I've heard his songs don't really have any depth or anything, so... what?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on March 07, 2012, 04:42:53 PM
Just go on his Twitter.

I used to not be a fan of the man, but a couple of plays of I Get Wet and perusing his Twitter made all that change for me.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on March 07, 2012, 05:54:13 PM
He's an insanely nice guy who makes some pretty good music.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Commode on March 24, 2012, 12:54:25 PM
I don't think there is any one band or artist that is truly timeless.  Sure, people say that The Beatles are timeless, or that Elvis was timeless, but I don't think so.  I mean, Beethoven and Bach and all them were supposed to be timeless right?  But I don't really think they are.  Sure, there's a good amount of people that look to them as an influence, but as time goes on less and less people know who they are, much less actively listen to their music.  Things fade over time, and music is no exception.

There will always be people that will listen to and be great fans of Beethoven or The Beatles or Led Zeppelin, but none of them will ever be truly timeless.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on March 24, 2012, 02:10:35 PM
I find the term "timeless" just refers to what decade the music can be listened years from its release and still appreciated. In that aspect, I think all good music is timeless.

The only shaky music is bubblegum pop because it isn't made to be anything but in the now.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on March 24, 2012, 02:42:58 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on March 24, 2012, 02:10:35 PM
I find the term "timeless" just refers to what decade the music can be listened years from its release and still appreciated. In that aspect, I think all good music is timeless.
This! :joy:
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on March 27, 2012, 11:10:39 PM
"Pull Me Under" is a really cool song. There's a reason that it's Dream Theater's only hit when Rock Band isn't considered.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Angus on April 10, 2012, 09:15:36 PM
timeless reminds me of the phrase "instant classic"

give it a couple of generations before calling any music classic.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on May 08, 2012, 07:33:18 PM
Is it just me, or are most of Richard Cheese's covers far better than the original songs?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on May 08, 2012, 10:15:54 PM
If any of you caught the Rock N Roll Hall Of Fame inductions, can you tell me if Dave Navarro was included with RHCP? It seems weird that only certain members seemed to be included in the induction since Cliff Martinez was included but I don't think Jack Sherman was.

They should have played Funky Monks for the full band jam at the end. Give It Away doesn't lend itself well to that sort of crowd.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on May 08, 2012, 10:17:57 PM
Didn't even know it was happening.

I'm pretty sure Sherman wasn't inducted because Kiedis hates him, or something like that. No idea about Navarro.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on May 08, 2012, 10:19:36 PM
Neither were included. (http://www.guitarworld.com/former-red-hot-chili-peppers-guitarist-jack-sherman-feels-snubbed-rock-and-roll-hall-fame)
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on May 08, 2012, 10:21:12 PM
Quote from: Brak's Dad on May 08, 2012, 10:19:36 PM
Neither were included. (http://www.guitarworld.com/former-red-hot-chili-peppers-guitarist-jack-sherman-feels-snubbed-rock-and-roll-hall-fame)
Fucking stupid. Sherman and Navarro were both great in RHCP. Especially Navarro.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on May 08, 2012, 10:25:15 PM
Quote from: Brak's Dad on May 08, 2012, 10:19:36 PM
Neither were included. (http://www.guitarworld.com/former-red-hot-chili-peppers-guitarist-jack-sherman-feels-snubbed-rock-and-roll-hall-fame)
Jack Sherman contributed to their first two albums, and Navarro contributed to some of their biggest hits. Picking and choosing who is relevant to a band is pretty despicable.

Then again, T. Rex still isn't in. So this isn't surprising.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on May 08, 2012, 10:43:51 PM
They also didn't let Dave join them for Metallica's induction, even though he wrote pretty much every song on their first album and like half of RTL.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on May 08, 2012, 10:47:53 PM
Quote from: Brak's Dad on May 08, 2012, 10:43:51 PM
They also didn't let Dave join them for Metallica's induction, even though he wrote pretty much every song on their first album and like half of RTL.
If it wasn't for Dave, they never would have gotten off the ground. What bull.

If there's any justice, this will be next year's inductees:

T.Rex
Rush
New York Dolls
YES
Megadeth
Nick Drake
Iron Maiden
Linda Ronstadt
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on May 08, 2012, 10:48:55 PM
I'd probably trade one of those in for King Crimson, but that's a damn fine list.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on May 08, 2012, 10:50:16 PM
Quote from: Brak's Dad on May 08, 2012, 10:48:55 PM
I'd probably trade one of those in for King Crimson, but that's a damn fine list.
I forgot they weren't already in. Because they already should be.

But yes, them too. As far as I'm concerned, no newer bands should be inducted until they go back to put those in who should already be there.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on May 08, 2012, 10:52:04 PM
I'll be so pissed if Nirvana make it in up in 2014 and none of these even make it on the ballot, let alone get inducted.

But you know it's gonna happen.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on May 08, 2012, 10:53:36 PM
Quote from: Brak's Dad on May 08, 2012, 10:52:04 PM
I'll be so pissed if Nirvana make it in
Fixed.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on May 08, 2012, 10:55:17 PM
There's no way that Nirvana aren't making it in the moment they're eligible. Sorry, but it's true.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on May 08, 2012, 10:56:37 PM
Nirvana will be put in. It's inevitable.

Quote from: Brak's Dad on May 08, 2012, 10:52:04 PM
I'll be so pissed if Nirvana make it in up in 2014 and none of these even make it on the ballot, let alone get inducted.

But you know it's gonna happen.
Nirvana before the Replacements, Dinosaur Jr., or the Meat Puppets would be a sad injustice. But yeah, I can see it happening.

They really need someone else to cast the nominations. As much as I respect Run DMC and the Beastie Boys, they really need to be the LAST hip hop groups put in. Grandmaster Flash, while important, I was willing to let slide, but there are people who really deserve the nod that haven't gotten it yet.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on May 08, 2012, 10:57:54 PM
I don't think ANY rap artists should be in, or Madonna for that matter. This is the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame, not the Popular Music HOF.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on May 08, 2012, 11:00:05 PM
Quote from: Brak's Dad on May 08, 2012, 10:57:54 PM
I don't think ANY rap artists should be in, or Madonna for that matter. This is the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame, not the Popular Music HOF.
Agreed, they should either rename the Hall Of Fame or make a separate one for stuff that isn't Rock.

In fact, they should make tons of different ones. Jazz Hall Of Fame, Funk Hall Of Fame, Hip-Hop Hall Of Fame... would be beautiful. :swoon:
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on May 08, 2012, 11:02:19 PM
Well, that's just it, Run DMC and Beastie Boys were actually important to both genres. But beyond them, there aren't any that are important to rock. So I really hope they don't do that to increase ticket sales or whatever.

I'm sure Rush would be enough for that. They are really popular with younger audiences these days.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on May 08, 2012, 11:03:06 PM
I mean, I'm fine with Prince being in there, since his stuff is rooted in rock n' roll, along with funk, jazz, new wave and pretty much everything else, and MJ, since he helped to bridge a lot of gaps in music. Hell, the rap artists that are in now are fine too since they did the same.

But I'll be damned if Tupac gets in.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on May 08, 2012, 11:07:54 PM
Quote from: Brak's Dad on May 08, 2012, 11:03:06 PMBut I'll be damned if Tupac gets in.
This is what I mean, Tupac didn't contribute anything to rock n roll. To see him get in at all before the likes of Marc Bolan is beyond insulting.

Where is Bowie? He should be on this counsel, he knows his music and he knows who deserves induction.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on May 08, 2012, 11:13:14 PM
If Bowie got in, Pixies would make it in ASAP.

Which isn't a bad thing. While there's a handful of other artists that should've made it in the moment they were eligible before them, I'd much rather see them in before Nirvana.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on May 08, 2012, 11:20:44 PM
Are Fishbone and Primus in?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on May 08, 2012, 11:23:20 PM
The rule is 25 years after your first album, so Primus aren't qualified yet. Fishbone haven't made it in either.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on May 08, 2012, 11:23:45 PM
No. Fishbone would have been eligible in 2010, but Primus has a couple of years to go since it's 25 years from your first release where you're eligible.

Oh wait if Nirvana gets in, does that mean only the main three will get in? That would be a real insult.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on May 08, 2012, 11:27:49 PM
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention.

Big Star. If they get in and cut Chris Bell out, then the place is a total farce.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Kiddington on May 09, 2012, 12:50:52 AM
Nirvana's going to get in before a lot of people. As soon as they're eligible, you know they'll be in.

That's just a sad, inevitable truth.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on May 11, 2012, 06:45:49 PM
This is the album they should have hit it big with. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39OsvYIYnlM)

If only it had a Stevie Wonder cover.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on May 11, 2012, 07:08:22 PM
Mk III of Purple is sooo much better than Mk II. Even Mk IV has some really cool stuff.

It's a shame that Ritchie doesn't agree, though. But I will give him credit in that the first 3 Rainbow albums are perfect.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on May 11, 2012, 07:11:49 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 11, 2012, 06:45:49 PM
This is the album they should have hit it big with. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39OsvYIYnlM)

If only it had a Stevie Wonder cover.
They should have hit it with Freaky Styley IMO. But yeah, Uplift Mofo is their best.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on May 11, 2012, 07:22:41 PM
Quote from: Foggle on May 11, 2012, 07:11:49 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 11, 2012, 06:45:49 PM
This is the album they should have hit it big with. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39OsvYIYnlM)

If only it had a Stevie Wonder cover.
They should have hit it with Freaky Styley IMO. But yeah, Uplift Mofo is their best.
UMPP has pretty much everything. Rock n roll, funk, punk, hard rock, and even a touch of psychedelia. While FS is a better funk album, and BSSM is better on a songwriting basis, I just think it has the best representation of what the band has to offer.

It kills me that they hit it big with Mother's Milk when this was just so much better in every way. And on top of it, it's the only album with the original line up.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on May 11, 2012, 07:27:04 PM
You know what, back to my earlier post, I think that if Ritchie didn't want to go commercial, Rainbow might have just been one of the greatest bands of all time, period. His guitar playing was leaps and bounds beyond his Deep Purple work. Ronnie's vocals, oh man, he could belt it out. Do you need me to get into detail on just how? Then there's Cozy Powell's drum work, which was just orgasmic. And the bass and keyboard work was also out of sight.

If Ronnie stuck around for a little while longer, who knows what could've happened. But we wouldn't have got Heaven and Hell, so I guess it was for the best.

And back to Mk III of Purple, just listen to this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqXSlZGaVN8) There was nothing like this voice.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on May 11, 2012, 07:27:56 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 11, 2012, 07:22:41 PM
UMPP has pretty much everything. Rock n roll, funk, punk, hard rock, and even a touch of psychedelia. While FS is a better funk album, and BSSM is better on a songwriting basis, I just think it has the best representation of what the band has to offer.

It kills me that they hit it big with Mother's Milk when this was just so much better in every way. And on top of it, it's the only album with the original line up.
Mother's Milk is fine, but it's easily the weakest of their good albums (everything from RHCP-OHM). As a side note, Fire from MM actually features the original line-up.

Can't believe tracks like Funky Crime and Backwoods weren't huge hits.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on May 11, 2012, 07:34:11 PM
Quote from: Foggle on May 11, 2012, 07:27:56 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 11, 2012, 07:22:41 PM
UMPP has pretty much everything. Rock n roll, funk, punk, hard rock, and even a touch of psychedelia. While FS is a better funk album, and BSSM is better on a songwriting basis, I just think it has the best representation of what the band has to offer.

It kills me that they hit it big with Mother's Milk when this was just so much better in every way. And on top of it, it's the only album with the original line up.
Mother's Milk is fine, but it's easily the weakest of their good albums (everything from RHCP-OHM). As a side note, Fire from MM actually features the original line-up.
Mother's Milk is okay, it's just that it felt like a very generic hard rock album from an era where there were a ton of them.

Honestly, I think Californication is probably better than the debut or MM- but FS, UMPP, and BSSM are easily the best ones. Everything since Californication sounds exactly like that album, so it's hard to judge, though I heard SA is decent.

QuoteCan't believe tracks like Funky Crime and Backwoods weren't huge hits.
Or Fight Like A Brave, or Me & My Friends, or Behind The Sun, or Walkin' On Down The Road... A lot of potential hits there. The rest probably wouldn't be hits, but they're all really good and interesting pieces.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on May 11, 2012, 07:41:01 PM
Californication is pretty decent (Purple Stain and Right On Time are awesome), but that was really where they started going downhill. I loathe By The Way and kinda' like some parts of Stadium and IWY, but they were never the same after BSSM. However, One Hot Minute, while different, is really underrated; Walkabout and Transcending are the best songs RHCP ever recorded, IMO.

Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 11, 2012, 07:34:11 PM
Mother's Milk is okay, it's just that it felt like a very generic hard rock album from an era where there were a ton of them.
I do agree with you here, but I really love Subway To Venus, Taste The Pain, and Knock Me Down.

QuoteHonestly, I think Californication is probably better than the debut or MM- but FS, UMPP, and BSSM are easily the best ones.
Eh, maybe, but none of its tracks even come close to touching Buckle Down or Taste The Pain, I'd say.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on May 11, 2012, 07:49:14 PM
I'm kind of surprised they hate OHM so much, it really does feel like a transition between BSSM and Californication. Though I don't think it's great, it's an average album in all honestly, I don't think it's their worst. Not worth gutting it out of their greatest hits, anyway.

I think the singles on Californication are some of their best as well as a few of their album tracks, but yeah some of MM is particularly great. Johnny Kick A Hole In The Sky, Good Time Boys, and Subway To Venus being my favorites. I'd probably put Californication higher simply because I find the album tracks (other than Get On Top which doesn't really belong on the album) better than the filler on MM. But the highs are pretty comparable. I guess it just depends on your tastes.

I liked the singles on By The Way, but the album was a carbon copy of Californication. There were a few interesting songs, but as a whole it felt like the same album again. And now without Frusciante I'm simply not interested anymore. Without that line up, there's just no chance of them being anywhere near as good again.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on May 11, 2012, 07:58:41 PM
Yeah, as a whole OHM is pretty average, but Aeroplane, Deep Kick, Coffee Shop, Walkabout, Transcending, and a few others are simply amazing.

I wouldn't really call By The Way a carbon copy of Californication. BTW is basically a soft rock album, while Cali has a lot more style to it. I fucking love On Mercury, though.

Stadium Arcadium is a good album, but not a good double album. IMO, it would have been great if this was the track list:

Rolling Sly Stone (this was cut from SA before release; not sure why, it's really good)
Dani California
Snow (Hey Oh)
Charlie
Hump De Bump
Strip My Mind
Wet Sand
Tell Me Baby
21st Century
Make You Feel Better
Animal Bar
So Much I
Storm In A Teacup
Turn It Again

The rest is some of the most boring filler they've ever produced.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on May 12, 2012, 08:56:33 AM
Quote from: Foggle on May 11, 2012, 07:58:41 PM
Yeah, as a whole OHM is pretty average, but Aeroplane, Deep Kick, Coffee Shop, Walkabout, Transcending, and a few others are simply amazing.
Actually, I just listened to the whole thing again, and I think OHM might honestly be one of their best albums. The only song I don't like is Pea. Other amazing ones besides the five aforementioned are My Friends, One Big Mob (though a bit overlong), Falling Into Grace, and Shallow Be Thy Game. The only tracks I find to be average are Warped, Tearjerker, and One Hot Minute.

I really can't see why RHCP hate this record, unless they just have a personal vendetta against Dave Navarro or something. It's awesome.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Nel_Annette on May 12, 2012, 03:45:50 PM
...Californication is one of my favorite albums... ever. Almost every song on there is catchy as hell to me. But I suppose a lot of that can be attributed to the bass playing, which is almost always top notch. I like Stadium Arcadium, but I agree that you could make a better album by taking all the good songs on it and putting that on a single disc, rather than keep all the filler. I'm With You is... eh. I really like four of the songs on it, but at this point, Rain Dance Maggie has been overplayed to shit on the radio and the rest of the songs just feel like they were trying to fill up a whole album to me.

Sadly, i don't own anything else by the band, so I can't really comment much.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on May 12, 2012, 04:55:49 PM
Quote from: Nel on May 12, 2012, 03:45:50 PM
...Californication is one of my favorite albums... ever. Almost every song on there is catchy as hell to me. But I suppose a lot of that can be attributed to the bass playing, which is almost always top notch. I like Stadium Arcadium, but I agree that you could make a better album by taking all the good songs on it and putting that on a single disc, rather than keep all the filler. I'm With You is... eh. I really like four of the songs on it, but at this point, Rain Dance Maggie has been overplayed to shit on the radio and the rest of the songs just feel like they were trying to fill up a whole album to me.
Californication is a great album, I'm just hard on it because funk is my favorite genre and it isn't very funky compared to their previous releases.  I've only listened to I'm With You once, thought it was okay. Didn't really make an impression on me. Will need to go through it again eventually...

Quote from: Nel on May 12, 2012, 03:45:50 PM
Sadly, i don't own anything else by the band, so I can't really comment much.
You should pick up BSSM and UMPP sometime. Most people agree that those are among their best. How do you feel about BTW?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on May 12, 2012, 05:48:43 PM
Blood sugar Sex Magic is one of the best albums of the 90s, IMO. If you enjoy rock n roll (you don't even have to like a specific sub-genre) you will most likely love the album. As a whole, in quality and quantity it's their best work.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Nel_Annette on May 12, 2012, 09:38:11 PM
Quote from: Foggle on May 12, 2012, 04:55:49 PMYou should pick up BSSM and UMPP sometime. Most people agree that those are among their best. How do you feel about BTW?

Haven't heard By The Way either. Just the three I listed. Blood Sugar Sex Magic is the only other album they regularly sell at the record store, so I'll have have to pick that up too. Is that the album with "Under The Bridge"?

The rest of their discography would require a little trip to Amazon/eBay, I suppose.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on May 12, 2012, 09:41:54 PM
Yeah, Under The Bridge is on it. A great song that's still full of soul.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on June 04, 2012, 11:47:43 AM
You know that Guitar World poll I showed you guys not that long ago?

In one of the comment sections, someone called John Mayer and Frusciante equal to SRV. Uh...
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on June 04, 2012, 11:50:30 AM
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 04, 2012, 11:47:43 AM
You know that Guitar World poll I showed you guys not that long ago?

In one of the comment sections, someone called John Mayer and Frusciante equal to SRV. Uh...
If I grew up with them, I'd probably think the same... until I got older.

SRV is actually kind of underrated these days.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on June 04, 2012, 11:55:34 AM
I mean, I love Frusciante. Most of his RHCP albums aren't that great, but he has a really nice tone and some great performances.

But equal or greater to Stevie? No.

Also, I don't think that MicSchenk has even been put up in this game at all. That's FUCKED UP.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on June 04, 2012, 01:48:27 PM
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 04, 2012, 11:47:43 AM
In one of the comment sections, someone called John Mayer and Frusciante equal to SRV. Uh...
:unimpressed:
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on June 07, 2012, 02:37:57 PM
Ew. (http://www.guitarworld.com/poll-greatest-guitarist-all-time-round-1-eric-johnson-vs-gary-moore)

Do me a favor, and please vote for Gary. He doesn't deserve to lose this.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on June 07, 2012, 10:47:23 PM
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on June 07, 2012, 10:53:37 PM
I'm not sure I agree when it comes to modern hip hop. For a couple quick examples, Brother Ali's first (Rites of Passage) is easily my least favorite of his output and Alaskan Fishermen's second record is a lot more consistent than Fire & Ice IMO.

The classics, though? I agree 100%.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on June 07, 2012, 10:57:18 PM
It's not all-encompassing, no. It's just a weird thing I've noticed happen to a lot of hip hop artists that never seem to happen to most any other genre.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on June 07, 2012, 10:59:38 PM
The Low End Theory might just be the best hip-hop album of all time, and it's Tribe's second.

But yeah, I do see where you're going. I really dislike what happened to De La Soul in particular. They made a brilliant first album... then Arsenio Hall decided to be a dumbass and call them "rap's hippies" or whatever, and they screwed themselves over since then.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on June 07, 2012, 11:10:11 PM
Jurassic 5 is my all time favorite hip hop group next to Run DMC, but Power In Numbers could have used less guests and definitely didn't need the dark tracks. I Am Somebody, A Day At The Races, and What's Golden are some of their best songs, but the stuff like Thin Line and One Of Them just don't feel like J5 to me at all.

I don't know why they to prove they were "real", it was pretty obvious that they were from the get go.

That said, Power In Numbers is still pretty good, but not the classic Quality Control is.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on June 07, 2012, 11:31:00 PM
I'm completely torn between Tribe and J5 as my all-time favorite group. I just cannot put one over the other.

What do you guys think of this? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaU68HI7l30)
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on June 07, 2012, 11:35:56 PM
Chali 2na was my favorite J5 member, so that was pretty great. The man writes the best lyrics, they're more than flow and rhyme, there's a lot of real feeling, soul, and personality in his words.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on June 07, 2012, 11:37:41 PM
Yeah, that was pretty sick.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on June 07, 2012, 11:39:41 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 07, 2012, 11:35:56 PM
Chali 2na was my favorite J5 member, so that was pretty great. The man writes the best lyrics, they're more than flow and rhyme, there's a lot of real feeling, soul, and personality in his words.
Agreed. That track is probably my favorite from From The Corner To The Block, which is just an amazing album in general if you like hip-hop and/or funk.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on June 10, 2012, 08:27:39 PM
I kind of touched on this in the other thread but... I don't like double bass pedals in music.

The bass in a drum is supposed to set the beat so that you move to the music, when it's playing faster than you can move, it just sounds like a mess. I far prefer the high-hat pedal for grooves, tones, and general mood in songs. There's nothing interesting that can be done with a second bass pedal. Yes you can be technically efficient with one, but to me it just isn't worth the effort because it sounds awful and contradictory to why songs have bass pedals to begin with.

If you're proficient enough you can do most of what these bands do with a double bass pedal with one of them (other than the typical spamming most acts do) leading it to frequently be crutch.

But like I said, it just comes down to it sounding awful to me. Distracting, pointless, and completely unneeded, on top of sounding like your eardrum's constant headache.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on June 10, 2012, 08:34:20 PM
You know, I actually do agree with you. Double bass is another one of my less favorite trends in more "extreme" metal. Again, Cynic is one of my favs because there's no double bass at all.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on June 10, 2012, 08:46:44 PM
It's the one aspect of drumming I really don't like. I was even asked if I wanted to learn one back when I took lessons and outright refused to.

Few things I just plain don't like in music (slick production, mindless screaming, most 80s productions), but that is probably my least favorite since I play them (not well, but I can) and I've never heard a good argument for them. It just seems to be one of those "loud = sweet!" arguments.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Commode on June 10, 2012, 08:53:20 PM
I remember in high school double bass pedal was a big deal for some reason.  Like, some kids wouldn't listen to anything without it, as if the bands that didn't feature it were less talented or something.

I was never a fan because I was more of a punk guy, and punk rarely(if ever) has utilized the double bass pedal.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on June 10, 2012, 09:05:55 PM
I remember when Rock Band came out and the boards were flooded with people asking for it, and all the sane posters kept on with how a high-hat pedal would be far more practical and useful. For instance, I'm not sure if , didn't chart it and it doesn't make a lick of difference to the song. (Love this song, too)

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOgejBrm484IPeace%20Sells%5B/url)
Quote from: Comeau on June 10, 2012, 08:53:20 PMpunk rarely(if ever) has utilized the double bass pedal.
Because they accomplished they exact same thing without one. It's just so frivolous.

That's why I never understood the fascination. It doesn't make the music any faster, it makes it more numbing since there's no proper beat because the bass is going off like a machine gun.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on June 11, 2012, 08:58:34 AM
So I don't like Jay-Z on his own much at all, but am I the only one who thinks his collabs with other artists typically turn out to be quite good? Obviously, you guys know I like "Empire State of Mind" with Alicia Keys, if you read my list, but I also have to admit that "Crazy in Love" is a lot better than Beyonce's other stuff. And although I haven't heard or have much interest in the rest of the album, I also kinda like "Niggas in Paris" with Kanye.

His Linkin Park stuff still sucks though. Nothing can change that.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Kiddington on June 13, 2012, 02:44:58 PM
Not too sure how unpopular of an opinion this really is, but I've come to the conclusion that I hate every single thing that the Black Eyed Peas have ever done. Everything. I cannot find a single thing this group has done that I actually like. Every song, every cover... just, everything.

ESPECIALLY this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGnm9uwu0gs).
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on June 13, 2012, 03:07:04 PM
Have you seen this? (http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/teamt/tis/tpsr/29817-ep-16-the-time-dirty-bit) He also reviewed "Imma Be".
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Commode on June 29, 2012, 06:22:32 PM
So after someone was playing this song at work the other day, I got to thinking, and I really don't see the difference between this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fVE8kSM43I) and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUi54JTgL5s).  Both are whiny, angsty, "I'm so fucked up let me sing a song about it", and just plain annoying, and the only reason I see for anyone liking the Slipknot song more is that it's "harder".  Sorry guys, but if you listen to that shit you have no room to make fun of the kids that listen to Simple Plan.

Also having both songs play simultaneously whilst typing this was kind of a trip.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on June 30, 2012, 05:29:08 PM
That's fine with me, I don't like Simple Plan either. IMO, they're one of the worst pop-punk artists out there, and I can actually stomach some Good Charlotte songs.

They're just a sub-par MxPx rip-off without any of the songwriting ability. How they ever got big is beyond me.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on August 11, 2012, 05:23:06 PM
Can someone try to tell me the appeal of bands like Fall Out Boy and All Time Low and their ilk? I keep on still finding fans of them, and I can't possibly comprehend why.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Commode on August 11, 2012, 09:20:49 PM
I still like "Dance Dance", but I don't really care for anything else Fall Out Boy.  Even in high school when they were popular I wasn't really into them.  I've never heard All Time Low though, at least not that I know of.

Blink-182 and Paramore are really the only two bands of that type of music(that pop-punk from the 2000s stuff) that I still follow and like.  Maybe stuff like Alkaline Trio, but I'm not sure that they are the right type of music that we're talking about. All the rest of the pop-punk I like is more of the 90s Green Day or Vandals variety.  Or the originals, like The Ramones.

edit: Huh, All Time Low took their name from a New Found Glory song(I still like them too).  Go figure.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on August 11, 2012, 09:26:28 PM
I mean, I see a lot of people talk about bands you'd catch at Warped Tour, but I don't see the appeal in them.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Commode on August 11, 2012, 09:30:32 PM
Oh, and I like Forever the Sickest Kids.  Yeah I know, stupid name, but I like them.  And Jimmy Eat World.

And that one All American Rejects album from about 2005(the one that has "Dirty Little Secret" and "Move Along") is pretty good.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Commode on August 12, 2012, 06:59:17 PM
If the two best songs of the 90s were really "Smells Like Teen Spirit" and "One", then it was a worse decade than I thought.

Sorry, watching VH1 again.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on August 15, 2012, 05:11:01 PM
If you like Pop-Punk, IMO, MxPx is still one of the best. Life In General is better than any album in the genre for the last 15 or so years.

I also like Jimmy Eat World, but only Clarity and Bleed American. They got bland after that and their first album is lame.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Commode on August 15, 2012, 05:46:22 PM
I do really like Life in General. MxPx is pretty good.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on August 31, 2012, 05:02:36 AM
Burzum is the only thing that I would deem as "alternative" music. That is all.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Commode on August 31, 2012, 06:22:15 AM
Isn't that metal?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on August 31, 2012, 07:10:28 AM
Quote from: Comeau on August 31, 2012, 06:22:15 AM
Isn't that metal?
I calls 'em as I sees 'em.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on August 31, 2012, 11:25:56 AM
Well Varg did use a lot of synths in their later music, especially with the stuff he released in prison.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on August 31, 2012, 11:27:23 AM
What about stuff like Mr. Bungle? Or would that be experimental? I can never keep up with these weird newfangled genres.

Also, THD is apparently considered experimental rock/alternative hip-hop. Okay.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on September 05, 2012, 11:29:11 AM
I can't get into mathcore for the life of me. To the point where I don't even think that it's music, just nonsense.

That's how badly I don't understand it.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on September 05, 2012, 11:32:33 AM
If a genre has an unintelligible name (i.e. mathcore, shoegaze, dronoise, etc.), I probably don't like it. :lol:
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Nel_Annette on September 05, 2012, 11:36:09 AM
It's when heavy music becomes more about technicality than an actual song that I zone out. It's why I can't stand letting my friend drive anymore. Insanely technical bands are all he listen to anymore, and it bugs the shit out of me. Playing as fast and with as much complexity as possible, with unintelligible cookie monster vocals... ugh. Not for me.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on September 05, 2012, 11:37:06 AM
I just like music that sounds good tbh.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on September 05, 2012, 11:46:41 AM
Quote from: Foggle on September 05, 2012, 11:37:06 AM
I just like music that sounds good tbh.
Yeah, pretty much.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on September 05, 2012, 11:48:01 AM
I mean, I don't mind technicality if it's done well. Tech death is my favorite style of death metal (well actually, death fusion is, but they kinda run together), and if a musician can pull it off, go as crazy as you wanna.

But while death metal is about passion, mathcore is NOTHING but screaming and wankery, which is probably why its appeal runs so thin for me.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on September 05, 2012, 03:55:32 PM
If you want to listen to something super technical, then you might as well just listen to Classical and Jazz. At least they manage to form coherent sounds that more than 5 people can stomach.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on September 05, 2012, 04:12:37 PM
There will be a day when old people will tell their great grandchildren about the wonders of dubstep.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on September 05, 2012, 04:42:11 PM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on September 05, 2012, 04:12:37 PM
There will be a day when old people will tell their great grandchildren about the wonders of dubstep.
:unimpressed:
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Post by: Kiddington on September 05, 2012, 04:44:21 PM
Quote from: Foggle on September 05, 2012, 04:42:11 PM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on September 05, 2012, 04:12:37 PM
There will be a day when old people will tell their great grandchildren about the wonders of dubstep.
:unimpressed:

You know you love it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOejs9DhBCc)
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on September 05, 2012, 04:48:52 PM
Quote from: Foggle on September 05, 2012, 04:42:11 PM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on September 05, 2012, 04:12:37 PM
There will be a day when old people will tell their great grandchildren about the wonders of dubstep.
:unimpressed:
And that day is today. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgII2gDY-Rw)
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Kiddington on September 05, 2012, 04:54:49 PM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on September 05, 2012, 04:48:52 PM
Quote from: Foggle on September 05, 2012, 04:42:11 PM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on September 05, 2012, 04:12:37 PM
There will be a day when old people will tell their great grandchildren about the wonders of dubstep.
:unimpressed:
And that day is today. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgII2gDY-Rw)

My subsequent reaction. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5khUSSvVnE&feature=plcp)
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Post by: Foggle on September 05, 2012, 05:00:26 PM
My reaction. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chdVDWYR6Ac)
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: No-Personality on September 24, 2012, 09:20:33 AM
Quote from: Avaitor on May 08, 2012, 10:57:54 PMI don't think ANY rap artists should be in, or Madonna for that matter. This is the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame, not the Popular Music HOF.
Didn't Michael Jackson make it onto the list?


Quote from: Foggle on November 11, 2011, 11:26:28 PM- Glee is an affront to the concept of music in general and should be cancelled post-haste.
I pray for very little but I really pray this opinion isn't that unpopular anymore.

That thing is literally Kidz Bop for tweens.


Quote from: Foggle on November 12, 2011, 10:20:07 AMDubstep and pop-punk are the worst genres of all time outside of crunkcore (but everyone with an IQ above 70 hates that last one).

I was referring to the more intense pop-punk crap (like Simple Plan). My fucking suite-mate listens to that shit all day and it physically hurts me because the dorm room walls are so thin.
Do you have an opinion on Bis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkX0hpfzGi4)? (One of my favorite groups of all-time.)


Quote from: Avaitor on November 23, 2011, 08:09:44 PMJefferson Airplane's "Somebody to Love">theirs

Hell, JA>Queen period.
I can get down with that.     ;D


Unpopular Opinions (ish) for me...

I can't call my hatred for Bob Dylan an opinion. I just don't like him. I wouldn't deny he's a musical genius (hell, just based on the passion everyone else has for his lyrics and... storytelling?) but I was never the kind of person who his music was geared toward. I'm a Tom Petty guy. Always have been.

Same goes for pre-Born in the USA Bruce. And I still feel guilty anytime "Born" comes up in my 80's playlists. I want to skip it. I guess I feel like, as a working American, I haven't suffered enough financial hardship. (To groove to his music. I definitely think everyone should want politicians' heads on a fucking plate.) Hilariously though, I also don't rock protest songs by Neil Young or Rolling Stones (I'm thinking of the especially anti-right wing ones). The only Bruce Springsteen song I love wholeheartedly is "Tunnel of Love."

"Barbie Girl" isn't a bad song. Ah, a real opinion! When it came out, most people just rolled their eyes. But in '97, bubblegum pop kinda didn't exist anymore in the U.S. It was only starting to make a comeback with Robyn, of course a Swedish import. What we had before that was techno-pop. La Bouche, The Real McCoy, Culture Beat, Crush, Captain Hollywood Project, Bizarre Inc, Ace of Base. And... I liked most of that stuff too. But, if it weren't for the music video, the song could be mistaken for being clever. And, as pure bubblegum pop, it was excellent.

Oh yeah, and: The Spice Girls were underrated in the 90's. EXTREMELY UNDERRATED. "Say You'll Be There" and "Too Much," especially, were absolute masterpieces.

The Beatles? I don't like most of their early music. Somewhere around Rubber Soul is where I believe they started getting really interesting. Even then, while I respect them a lot as a band, I have a relatively small list of their songs which I genuinely like a lot. I believe "It's Only Love," "If I Needed Someone," "Think for Yourself," "Glass Onion," and "Hello, Goodbye," top that list.

If I were tasked to come up with a list of favorite Rolling Stones songs, the list would be even smaller.

Kiss = crap. I don't like almost anything by Pink Floyd or Queen, but I legitimately respect those bands. Can't say I respect Kiss. At all. I can't believe they weren't laughed off the stage. By everyone who's ever attended a concert in their lives before. The same is basically true for AC/DC. Except for the laughing part. Kiss is just a joke. Their music is awful.

"Wonderwall" is incredible. However, the more Oasis I listen to, I get why people hate them. At least 3 of their biggest singles from the 90's are about 10 minutes in length and fast forwarding through them, looking for a reason why... can't find one. However, "Wonderwall" may be a fluke but it's one of the seminal songs of the decade. You can't have the 90's without "Wonderwall." It's embedded in the heart and soul of the decade. And whenever I listen to it, I immediately feel why.

The Black Eyed Peas are a little underrated. I'm the first one to admit they're still going and... they should have stopped many years ago. And their failure to has resulted in a festering that smells worse than methane now. But I think there's a shocking amount of good music in their 2003-2006 heyday. Especially "Like That (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNnozIkedGQ)," "Hey Mama (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqqyu_zCcfw)," "The Boogie That Be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFhnOgxfqtM)," "Hands Up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOxu7YldfmA)," "Let's Get Retarded," "Don't Phunk with My Heart (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEITcMfvn0Y)," "Shut Up," and... yes, I even like "Pump It." Though, if anyone hates that song, I completely understand why. However... they made one masterpiece, and if you don't think this song is at least okay, I will lose all respect for you on the spot: "Third Eye (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjdICGPpyKY)." It's actually hidden on the end of track #13 on Elephunk. If you like to dance (REALLY dance), you can't deny this group knows how to make the body move. However, yeah, when we get to "Boom Boom Pow," it was clearly time for them to quit.

Lady Gaga... is quickly becoming dated. At least, most of her songs from The Fame. "Telephone" is still incredible and, musically, "Bad Romance," "Alejandro," and "Dance in the Dark" are still amazing. But, trying to listen to "Poker Face," "Eh Eh (Nothing Else I Can Say)," "Boys Boys Boys," or "The Fame" now is embarrassing. I expect "LoveGame," "Paparazzi," and "Just Dance" will get there eventually as well, but I think it's finally time to admit it: Lady Gaga is becoming unlistenable. (Astoundingly, I think Black Eyed Peas are aging better than her first album.)

I don't get all this Nirvana hate but I will admit I've never been crazy about "Smells Like Teen Spirit." However, "Come As You Are," "In Bloom," "Lithium," "Heart Shaped Box"... these are why I don't get the hate.

Same goes with Radiohead. After "Creep," and before I stopped paying attention to them (when the 90's ended), I've always thought they were a great band. "My Iron Lung," "Just," and anything from OK Computer = great music in a truly great (and underrated) decade.

I don't know anything about dubstep, but almost every track I've heard that people have called dubstep I've found to be wonderful.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on September 24, 2012, 10:34:49 AM
Heh, you've been digging.

Quote from: No-Personality on September 24, 2012, 09:20:33 AM
Do you have an opinion on Bis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkX0hpfzGi4)? (One of my favorite groups of all-time.)
Don't much care for the female vocals, but I do think this is pretty good! :thumbup:
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on September 24, 2012, 12:27:56 PM
Quote from: No-Personality on September 24, 2012, 09:20:33 AM
Quote from: Avaitor on May 08, 2012, 10:57:54 PMI don't think ANY rap artists should be in, or Madonna for that matter. This is the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame, not the Popular Music HOF.
Didn't Michael Jackson make it onto the list?
Yep. I'm kind of not sure how I feel about him in the HOF either.

Quote from: No-Personality on September 24, 2012, 09:20:33 AMThe Beatles? I don't like most of their early music. Somewhere around Rubber Soul is where I believe they started getting really interesting.
Well that isn't too much of an unpopular opinion. Many people believe that the earlier Beatles material, at least the b-sides, aren't as interesting as their post-Rubber Soul work. And some stuff aside, can you really blame them?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: No-Personality on September 24, 2012, 01:53:45 PM
B-sides? Songs like "Help!," "I Want to Hold Your Hand," and "Twist and Shout" made them famous. Those were A-sides, right?

And I think Rubber Soul is their best album, so for me it's post-Help!
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on September 25, 2012, 12:11:54 AM
I still think High & Dry is a great pop song and easily their best song but... I really can't get into anything else they've done. I've tried, too. They simply don't click with me.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on September 25, 2012, 12:52:49 AM
I prefer white people attempting to do reggae (like The Police and No Doubt) to the real thing.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on September 25, 2012, 01:02:58 AM
Quote from: Avaitor on September 25, 2012, 12:52:49 AM
I prefer white people attempting to do reggae (like The Police and No Doubt) to the real thing.
I think One Step Beyond by Madness might be the best pop album to ever come out of the UK.  :hayguyz:

Also, I enjoy ska music more than reggae. Even Bob Marley did some ska.
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Post by: Avaitor on September 25, 2012, 10:16:31 PM
Oh, and this may be an unpopular opinion on here, but I absolutely love "Livin' on a Prayer". It's the one time that Bon Jovi's bigger-than-life choruses really do something for me, and I think it has a very strong structure. Which is crazy, since I normally get sick of talkbox fast.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on September 25, 2012, 10:16:56 PM
I actually kind of like dubstep... Yeah.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on September 25, 2012, 10:19:41 PM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on September 25, 2012, 10:16:56 PM
I actually kind of like dubstep... Yeah.
That's not an unpopular opinion tbh.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on September 25, 2012, 10:21:00 PM
No, I like the song, too.

It's Bad Medicine I can't stand because it NEVER LEAVES MY HEAD.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on September 25, 2012, 10:22:01 PM
Quote from: Foggle on September 25, 2012, 10:19:41 PM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on September 25, 2012, 10:16:56 PM
I actually kind of like dubstep... Yeah.
That's not an unpopular opinion tbh.
It is on here.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on September 25, 2012, 10:22:50 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on September 25, 2012, 10:21:00 PM
It's Bad Medicine I can't stand because it NEVER LEAVES MY HEAD.
OH MY GOD YES

Also, while we're still talking about Bon Jovi, I still love this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDVlqddaiXM)
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Post by: Kiddington on September 25, 2012, 10:28:34 PM
The only Bon Jovi song I ever liked was "You Give Love a Bad Name", and even that one has kinda soured on me in recent years.

Sorry guys, but I absolutely despise "Livin' On a Prayer". One of my least favorite songs ever, as a matter of fact. I didn't think I'd be alone here in this regard, but apparently I am.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Nel_Annette on September 25, 2012, 10:46:16 PM
I used to despise Passion Pit because their first album was all my friends ever played back when it came out. But god damn, "Take A Walk" is catchy as hell.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on September 26, 2012, 04:01:31 PM
Going back to Bon Jovi for a second, it's funny, my best friend and I have arguments a lot since he likes them and I like Def Leppard. He thinks Leppard are lame while I think that Jon and the boys mostly suck.

Overall it's a silly argument because when you get down to it, they're pretty much the same band. They were both glammed up hard rock bands that went through a lot of revisions after the 80's until they found a new sound that particularly worked for them- for DL, it was going straight glam, and BJ are now country.

Why do we still fight though? Well, I think Leppard actually had riffs and ideas for their first few albums. To me, Bon Jovi were just a pop band, and a lame one at that.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Commode on September 26, 2012, 05:52:24 PM
The only good Bon Jovi song is "Runaway", everything else is trash.

And besides the songs "Hysteria" and "Rocket", everything post-Pyromania is also garbage.

Next crappy hairmetal band please.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: No-Personality on September 26, 2012, 07:03:00 PM
Quote from: Comeau on September 26, 2012, 05:52:24 PMNext crappy hairmetal band please.
(Anyone mentioned) Quiet Riot (yet?)
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Commode on September 26, 2012, 07:15:43 PM
Meh, I don't have much of an opinion on them.  I did listen to my cassette of Metal Health quite a bit in high school though.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on September 26, 2012, 07:54:09 PM
I like their old stuff with Randy Roads, before he joined Ozzy.

Metal Health and onwards? Eh.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Kiddington on September 26, 2012, 08:04:45 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on September 26, 2012, 04:01:31 PM
Going back to Bon Jovi for a second, it's funny, my best friend and I have arguments a lot since he likes them and I like Def Leppard. He thinks Leppard are lame while I think that Jon and the boys mostly suck.

Overall it's a silly argument because when you get down to it, they're pretty much the same band. They were both glammed up hard rock bands that went through a lot of revisions after the 80's until they found a new sound that particularly worked for them- for DL, it was going straight glam, and BJ are now country.

Why do we still fight though? Well, I think Leppard actually had riffs and ideas for their first few albums. To me, Bon Jovi were just a pop band, and a lame one at that.


Funny you should mention that, since I like Def Leppard.

Considering that fact, I'm actually not sure why I hate Bon Jovi so much, since they are both pretty similar in nature (well, at least in the 80's they were). I dunno, I guess Bon Jovi's sound just never clicked with me. That, and stuff like "Livin' On a Prayer" and "Bad Medicine" continues to be so mercilessly overplayed on any classic rock station of choice, and they never were good songs to begin with.

Again though, I like Def Leppard. Sure it's trashy glam metal, yeah, but at least it's fun (kinda like how Motley Crue is for me, Girls album and most later stuff aside).
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on September 26, 2012, 08:17:39 PM
When it comes to hair metal, Extreme is far and away head of the pack. I don't think there's an argument otherwise.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on September 26, 2012, 08:28:45 PM
YOUR LOVE IS LIKE BAAAAAD MEDICINE
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: No-Personality on September 26, 2012, 08:56:48 PM
Ratt?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Commode on September 26, 2012, 08:57:36 PM
Motley Crue is probably my favorite hair metal band, if you can even say that I have a favorite(I really dislike most of that stuff).  I love the first two albums and Dr. Feelgood, but I don't like Girls, Girls, Girls or that other album they did in the middle of the decade, and I don't like much of what came after Dr. Feelgood(although Saints of Los Angeles wasn't too bad).

Or Skid Row.  But they were at the tail end of the trend, so I kind of don't lump them in with the rest of the others.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Commode on September 26, 2012, 08:59:05 PM
Ratt has like two songs that ever get airplay.  I don't think most people really care about them either way.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on September 26, 2012, 09:07:27 PM
I actually think Talk Dirty To Me is a great song, but I know Poison isn't too well liked around here.  :sweat:
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Commode on September 26, 2012, 09:09:01 PM
That song and "Fallen Angel" are the two Poison songs that I consider passable.  I like C.C. Deville's guitar on the two songs.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on September 26, 2012, 09:42:09 PM
"Fallen Angel" is a classic. And yeah, I like the Skid Row albums with Sebastian Bach too, although the latter 2 aren't really hair metal.

But Extreme. If all you know is "More Than Words" and "Hole Hearted", I am so sorry.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on September 26, 2012, 09:50:18 PM
The reason I like TDTM a lot is because it isn't actually a hair metal song despite the video or whatever... it's not really glam either. It's just a basic rock n roll song that's really well written that's disguised as being glam.

Sort of like how I like "Working For A Living" more than Huey Lewis' other songs, basic rock n roll is my one weakness.  .3.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on September 26, 2012, 10:56:25 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on September 26, 2012, 09:07:27 PM
I actually think Talk Dirty To Me is a great song, but I know Poison isn't too well liked around here.  :sweat:
That Handsome Devil's cover beats it into the ground though. :P

Quote from: Avaitor on September 26, 2012, 09:42:09 PM
But Extreme. If all you know is "More Than Words" and "Hole Hearted", I am so sorry.
Fuck yeah, Extreme is awesome.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Kiddington on September 27, 2012, 12:28:47 AM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on September 26, 2012, 09:07:27 PM
I actually think Talk Dirty To Me is a great song, but I know Poison isn't too well liked around here.  :sweat:

That's probably the only Poison song I consider decent.

As far as hair/glam metal goes, they're definitely lower-tier... and for that genre, that says something.

Quote from: Comeau on September 26, 2012, 08:59:05 PM
Ratt has like two songs that ever get airplay.  I don't think most people really care about them either way.

"Round and Round" is honestly the only one that I ever hear anymore. I mean, I don't know if I'd go as far as to call them a one-hit wonder per say, but their lasting appeal doesn't seem to be much beyond that.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on September 27, 2012, 12:39:45 AM
"Lay It Down" got some decent play too. But yeah, they faded out fast, didn't they? Ratt was more on the heavier side of hair metal, along with Crue, W.A.S.P. (if you wanna count them there, and only their earlier stuff- they've become a straight heavy metal band for a longgg time since) and the originators, Hanoi Rocks.

When Poison and Cinderella and Warrant and whoever hit the scene, the metal scene kinda hit two sides- overly glammed, or heavier. Since Ratt couldn't shake it up with the thrash or death acts, or even Maiden and Priest, they rightly dropped off the scene along with Quiet Riot. Crue stuck around because Nikki supplied all the bands with drugs.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Commode on October 24, 2012, 09:02:27 PM
Coheed and Cambria is an awful band.  I don't know popular/unpopular this opinion is, but after seeing people on GAF talk them up I had to reiterate the fact that they aren't in fact any good.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on October 24, 2012, 09:45:10 PM
To be honest, if it weren't for one hardcore fan of them on the Rock Band boards, I wouldn't even have known that they were still around.

And I still maintain that the lad singer sounds like Geddy Lee if he had a bulldozer shoved up his ass while on stage.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Nel_Annette on October 24, 2012, 11:04:37 PM
Except for the part where they're fucking awesome. One of my favorites.  :blush:

But opinions lol
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on November 04, 2012, 10:14:23 AM
So I don't really get the big deal behind Lana Del Ray and Marina & the Diamond. They both seem like replacements for Lady Gaga as music for hipsters that are too ashamed to admit that they like pop. The weirder thing is that both of them, especially Del Ray, seemingly came out of nowhere and they're already getting worshipped.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on November 16, 2012, 12:41:58 AM
I'm 100% certain that Avaitor will agree with me on this but since most people have not heard this album before, it is unpopular.

The Replacements' Let It Be >>>>>>> The Beatles' Let It Be

Paul Westerberg is smarter than Lennon, more emotional than McCartney, and deeper than Harrison when it comes to lyrics. But musically, the variety is unmatched to give the album a punch and a thread that the fab four's effort couldn't come close to matching. To put that in perspective, Lennon never wrote a song as introspective as Answering Machine, McCartney never as poignant as Unsatisfied, and Harrison as concise as Sixteen Blue. They also never wrote a song as funny as Tommy Gets His Tonsils Out, or Gary's Got A Boner, but then they rarely succeeded with comedy. Most people dismiss the album on the first listen, but on further listening I don't think there is a better album to represent growing up and the struggle between transforming from teenager to adult anywhere near as well as that does.

It also gets a lot of points for not relying on sex or co-dependency for subjects to write about.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on November 16, 2012, 09:18:24 AM
Yeah, didn't they name the album that since their manager was a big Beatles fan?

I also know that Tim was going to be named Let It Bleed, but that changed. It would have been a nice follow-up.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on November 22, 2012, 03:54:16 PM
I don't know why Born Again has become known as a misunderstood gem over the past handful of years when it's so fucking awful. Gillan does not mesh with Sabbath's sound and sorry guys, but it does sound like Iommi and crew are playing it from home here.

When it comes to underappreciated Sabbath albums, give me Dehumanizer and the Tony Martin stuff any day.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: The Shadow Gentleman on January 22, 2013, 02:02:04 PM
Quote from: Foggle on November 11, 2011, 11:26:28 PM
- Funk and jazz are better than rock and hip hop.
- Dubstep and pop-punk are the worst genres of all time outside of crunkcore (but everyone with an IQ above 70 hates that last one).
- Glee is an affront to the concept of music in general and should be cancelled post-haste.
These, plus:
-Dylan is a poser and has a terrible singing voice.
-Lennon is overrated. McCartney, Harrison and producer George Martin are the main reason the Beatles were so good.
-I like cheerful, happy pop songs.
-The sixties were about pop and jazz, not rock.
-Actually, I'm no longer interested in rock all that much anyway.

QuoteThe Monkees were actually a really good band when they were allowed to be a band. Seriously.
The sad thing is despite all being accomplished musicians, they weren't even allowed to play on most of their early songs.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on January 22, 2013, 02:03:02 PM
The best band of the 60's were the Mothers of Invention.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on January 22, 2013, 02:27:03 PM
Quote from: Graywulf on January 22, 2013, 02:02:04 PM
Quote from: Foggle on November 11, 2011, 11:26:28 PM
- Funk and jazz are better than rock and hip hop.
- Dubstep and pop-punk are the worst genres of all time outside of crunkcore (but everyone with an IQ above 70 hates that last one).
- Glee is an affront to the concept of music in general and should be cancelled post-haste.
These, plus:
ohmygawd I love you. :swoon: :swoon: :swoon:

That said, I would probably reword my post to be a bit less... abrasive nowadays. Also, to clarify, I still love both rock and hip hop, I just think funk and jazz are better. ;)
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: The Shadow Gentleman on January 22, 2013, 02:33:55 PM
Quote from: Foggle on January 22, 2013, 02:27:03 PM
Quote from: Graywulf on January 22, 2013, 02:02:04 PM
Quote from: Foggle on November 11, 2011, 11:26:28 PM
- Funk and jazz are better than rock and hip hop.
- Dubstep and pop-punk are the worst genres of all time outside of crunkcore (but everyone with an IQ above 70 hates that last one).
- Glee is an affront to the concept of music in general and should be cancelled post-haste.
These, plus:
ohmygawd I love you. :swoon: :swoon: :swoon:

That said, I would probably reword my post to be a bit less... abrasive nowadays. Also, to clarify, I still love both rock and hip hop, I just think funk and jazz are better. ;)

I still like rock, just not as much as I used too.

Another one:
I consider the Beatles pop, not rock.

Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on January 22, 2013, 02:35:14 PM
While I'm at it, I'd say the best band of the 70's were Mahavishnu Orchestra.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: The Shadow Gentleman on January 22, 2013, 02:53:07 PM
Hey Foggle, could you send me some funk recommendations?
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Post by: Foggle on January 22, 2013, 03:54:55 PM
Okay! I assume you already know all about the legends like Parliament, James Brown, Curtis Mayfield, and the like, so we'll go a bit more obscure. I'm mostly going to recommend groups that combine funk with other genres of music, since that's what I mostly listen to. However, if you're just looking for straight up funk, check your private messages. ;)

You've probably heard of them, but one of the best current funk/jazz fusion groups is Galactic. Their earlier work and live albums are mostly instrumental (sometimes with great old-school vocals), and their newer stuff is more hip hop-based. However, they still bring the groove throughout their entire discography! Church, Cineramascope, Witch Doctor, and Doublewide are essential listening for all music fans.

Alcohol Jazz is an excellent funk/jazz group from Spain. They're still releasing albums, I think, but I haven't heard anything newer than their third release, which I'm most partial to. Everything they've done is great, though! Be sure to check out Dha Gue Dhi Nah, Psicoactiva TV, and Tu Si Que Molas.

A Certain Ratio is a great post-punk group, and they get extremely funky on a lot of their tracks. Some albums aren't so good, but overall their sound is groovy as hell (and very 80's). Check out Down Down Down, Mickey Way, Do Du Beep, and Touch.

Fun Lovin' Criminals is one of the greatest bands of all time IMO, and their early stuff (everything through Loco) is highly funk-based, usually combined with rap, blues, lounge, jazz, and rock. Some of my favorite songs ever include The Grave And The Constant, All For Self, Swashbucklin' In Brooklyn, King Of New York, and Bump. Sadly, the music video version of Bump isn't nearly as good as the album version, but the former is all you can find on YouTube!

I'm running low on time sadly, but here are some other recommendations for you!
Raise The Roof! (Funk)
The Transatlantics (Funk)
Smoove & Turrell (Funk/R&B) - Also check out Smoove's solo release, Dead Men's Shirts, which is very funky!
Mandrill (Funk/R&B)
Supergroove (Funk/Rock) - Only Traction and its various b-sides are good, though. (But they're great!)
Fdel (Funk) - Look for the album Audiofdelity. Great DJ, don't think he's released any other mixes though.
Paradise Lunch (Funk/Jazz) - They did the opening for Baccano! :lol: The one album I've heard by them is awesome.
G. Love [with or without Special Sauce] (Blues/Funk/Rap/Rock) - Only funky maybe half the time, but be sure to check some of his stuff out.
Infectious Grooves (Funk/Metal)
O'Funk'Illo (Funk/Metal/Rap)
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: The Shadow Gentleman on January 22, 2013, 04:06:25 PM
Thanks! I'm not as incredibly familier with funk is general, so I'll have to check out some more stuff by the legends you mentioned (I already love James Brown).
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on January 22, 2013, 04:08:31 PM
Quote from: Graywulf on January 22, 2013, 04:06:25 PM
Thanks! I'm not as incredibly familier with funk is general, so I'll have to check out some more stuff by the legends you mentioned (I already love James Brown).
Pick up the album Mothership Connection by Parliament! Trust me on this. ;)
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Post by: Avaitor on January 22, 2013, 06:25:44 PM
It's pretty cliche, but my favorite funk album is probably Maggot Brain.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on January 22, 2013, 06:33:39 PM
I prefer 50s rock to 60s rock (rockabilly especially), and I find big band swing the single most underrated musical genre.

Instrumental music is overlooked for no reason (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIakETsoCOo)

Brian Wilson is the best songwriter of the entire 1960s decade. And I'm not just referring to Pet Sounds.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on January 22, 2013, 07:51:18 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on January 22, 2013, 06:33:39 PM
Brian Wilson is the best songwriter of the entire 1960s decade. And I'm not just referring to Pet Sounds.
I dunno man, I love Wilson too, but it's really hard to discredit Frank, and all of the quality work he put out in the 60's.

He was on a whole other level from the rest of the crowd.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on January 22, 2013, 08:05:15 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on January 22, 2013, 07:51:18 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on January 22, 2013, 06:33:39 PM
Brian Wilson is the best songwriter of the entire 1960s decade. And I'm not just referring to Pet Sounds.
I dunno man, I love Wilson too, but it's really hard to discredit Frank, and all of the quality work he put out in the 60's.

He was on a whole other level from the rest of the crowd.
I'm not discrediting him, I just feel that Brian Wilson is basically the epitome of what pop music was originally meant to be. So much so that people either underrate him (and dismiss his work because of Mike Love's mouth) or have only heard Surfin' Safari and think that's all he's done for his entire career.

A song like In My Room is really underrated for what it did for the industry when it came out. Reflecting on where it is now from then is almost embarrassing, actually.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on January 22, 2013, 08:08:45 PM
QuoteBrian Wilson is the best songwriter of the entire 1960s decade. And I'm not just referring to Pet Sounds.
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Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on January 22, 2013, 08:12:42 PM
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Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on January 22, 2013, 08:15:41 PM
Guys, I'm not saying he was the only good songwriter of the 60s, just that I consider him the best. (Also, Brian is rarely the singer, he's the guy who wrote the songs)

Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on January 22, 2013, 08:08:45 PM
QuoteBrian Wilson is the best songwriter of the entire 1960s decade. And I'm not just referring to Pet Sounds.
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Cheap Thrills is a fantastic album, I agree.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on January 22, 2013, 08:18:13 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on January 22, 2013, 08:15:41 PM
Guys, I'm not saying he was the only good songwriter of the 60s, just that I consider him the best.
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Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on January 22, 2013, 08:27:37 PM
Quote from: Foggle on January 22, 2013, 08:18:13 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on January 22, 2013, 08:15:41 PM
Guys, I'm not saying he was the only good songwriter of the 60s, just that I consider him the best.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-mKmSMwGCM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-mKmSMwGCM)
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: The Shadow Gentleman on January 22, 2013, 09:48:20 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on January 22, 2013, 06:33:39 PMI find big band swing the single most underrated musical genre.

Seconded

QuoteBrian Wilson is the best songwriter of the entire 1960s decade. And I'm not just referring to Pet Sounds.

I can't make an educated statement on this, as I haven't listened to nearly as much music as you guys, so I'm just going to point at my avatar and run.

Although I do agree that Wilson is an amazing song writer.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on January 22, 2013, 09:52:23 PM
Fun fact: Pet Sounds is McCartney's favorite album.  ;)

But yeah, I used to like Lennon more but as I've gotten older McCartney's stuff has become more preferable to me. His solo material is better, too.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Nel_Annette on January 22, 2013, 10:13:19 PM
I like jazz and funk, but I prefer rock overall.

Agreed about McCartney and Harrison being the true soul of The Beatles. I love their solo material. Lennon's... not so much. Especially the albums that feature (shudder) Yoko.

Never cared much for 50s rock and roll or the big band stuff.

Also... I despise ska music. More than country or crunkcore or whatever. I don't know why, I just... loathe ska.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on January 22, 2013, 10:41:00 PM
Quote from: Nel_Annette on January 22, 2013, 10:13:19 PMAlso... I despise ska music. More than country or crunkcore or whatever. I don't know why, I just... loathe ska.
Really? Is it because of how wacky it can get?

I can understand not liking it, though. It's very much an acquired taste, especially since most ska bands have really awful lyrics (usually an attempt to be "goofy" or "punk") or result in overusing the quiet/loud dynamic that was so adamant in the 90s.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Nel_Annette on January 22, 2013, 11:10:51 PM
The wackiness is part of it, and I usually find singers in the genre to have insanely obnoxious voices. I kind of also associate it with all the douches I knew in middle school and high school who would listen almost exclusively to it.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on January 22, 2013, 11:13:02 PM
Let's be real, the best Beatle was Harrison.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on January 22, 2013, 11:14:25 PM
Quote from: Nel_Annette on January 22, 2013, 11:10:51 PM
The wackiness is part of it, and I usually find singers in the genre to have insanely obnoxious voices. I kind of also associate it with all the douches I knew in middle school and high school who would listen almost exclusively to it.
Oh yeah "frat ska", I know what you mean.

Have you ever heard the album Truth & Soul by Fishbone? It's not really a ska album (it has some ska songs on it), but it's mainly a rock and funk album and that might be more up your alley. Ska is really good when it isn't novelty music.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Lord Dalek on January 22, 2013, 11:33:04 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on January 22, 2013, 06:33:39 PM

Brian Wilson is the best songwriter of the entire 1960s decade.
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Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on January 22, 2013, 11:34:05 PM
Quote from: Lord Dalek on January 22, 2013, 11:33:04 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on January 22, 2013, 06:33:39 PM

Brian Wilson is the best songwriter of the entire 1960s decade.
(http://www.chelseahotelblog.com/.a/6a00d8341c8a8c53ef0105362d4309970b-320wi)
I stand by my comment.  ;)
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Lord Dalek on January 22, 2013, 11:35:45 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on January 22, 2013, 11:34:05 PM
Quote from: Lord Dalek on January 22, 2013, 11:33:04 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on January 22, 2013, 06:33:39 PM

Brian Wilson is the best songwriter of the entire 1960s decade.
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I stand by my comment.  ;)
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Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on January 22, 2013, 11:39:20 PM
I'm waiting before we get to Ray Davies or Smokey Robinson.

Brian Wilson is the best.  :thinkin:
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Post by: Foggle on January 22, 2013, 11:41:24 PM
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Post by: Dr. Insomniac on January 22, 2013, 11:42:27 PM
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Post by: Lord Dalek on January 22, 2013, 11:44:53 PM
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Post by: Avaitor on January 22, 2013, 11:45:54 PM
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Post by: Spark Of Spirit on January 22, 2013, 11:46:46 PM
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Post by: Lord Dalek on January 22, 2013, 11:47:48 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on January 22, 2013, 11:45:54 PM
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Post by: Avaitor on January 22, 2013, 11:48:56 PM
Quote from: Lord Dalek on January 22, 2013, 11:47:48 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on January 22, 2013, 11:45:54 PM
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Post by: Dr. Insomniac on January 22, 2013, 11:49:47 PM
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Post by: Lord Dalek on January 23, 2013, 12:02:13 AM
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Post by: Dr. Insomniac on January 23, 2013, 12:05:12 AM
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Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Nel_Annette on January 23, 2013, 12:25:46 AM
Actually, Spark, thinking about it, I'd say that the wackiness isn't really the factor in me not liking ska. Because my favorite genre is prog rock, and lord knows that that crap can get waaay wacky at times.  :lol:
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: The Shadow Gentleman on January 23, 2013, 05:49:16 AM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on January 22, 2013, 09:52:23 PM
Fun fact: Pet Sounds is McCartney's favorite album.  ;)
And then Wilson went crazy trying to top Sgt. Pepper. Go figure.

Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on January 23, 2013, 12:05:12 AM
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One more thing: I don't like it when bands just do the same thing over and over again. I'm not talking about sticking to a few genres, I'm talking about always writing about the same stuff. Its one of the reasons I only tend to like a few songs by some artists.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on January 24, 2013, 10:33:00 PM
"She Sells Sanctuary" is the best song of the 80's.

I sure hope this isn't a minority opinion, though.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on January 24, 2013, 10:34:51 PM
It is a very good song.  :)
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on January 24, 2013, 10:35:50 PM
I get so much play off of that album.

The entirety of The Cult's 80's stuff is pretty strong, actually.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: No-Personality on January 26, 2013, 04:05:52 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on January 24, 2013, 10:33:00 PM"She Sells Sanctuary" is the best song of the 80's.

I sure hope this isn't a minority opinion, though.
I just (re-)did my Top 300 Singles of the 80's list (last month). "Rain" made it, "Sanctuary" didn't:

http://mubi.com/lists/my-top-300-greatest-singles-of-the-1980s-full-list


Quote from: Graywulf on January 22, 2013, 02:02:04 PM-Dylan is a poser and has a terrible singing voice.
I can't stand over 90% of BD's music, so I'm inclined to agree.


Quote from: Graywulf on January 22, 2013, 02:02:04 PM--Lennon is overrated.
I'd agree if it weren't for "Instant Karma!" and "Whatever Gets You thru the Night." (Oh yeah, and I like "Happy XMas.")
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on January 27, 2013, 12:41:04 PM
Do you remember the "Shallow Boy" chick from Boy Meets World?

Tori Amos is the real-life version of her.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Karamazova on January 27, 2013, 12:42:44 PM
I absolutely loathe Amanda Palmer, though a bunch of people I know worship her.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on January 27, 2013, 02:51:27 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on January 27, 2013, 12:41:04 PM
Do you remember the "Shallow Boy" chick from Boy Meets World?

Tori Amos is the real-life version of her.
Wasn't she based on Fiona Apple, Alanis Morrisette and most of the angry girl movement?

It's actually funny how well they nailed the trend with that episode.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on January 27, 2013, 04:54:20 PM
Too Tough To Die is End Of The Century done right.

It's also the best album they ever made and exactly what they had been trying to do sonically since their first album.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: No-Personality on January 27, 2013, 07:53:27 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on January 27, 2013, 02:51:27 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on January 27, 2013, 12:41:04 PM
Do you remember the "Shallow Boy" chick from Boy Meets World?

Tori Amos is the real-life version of her.
Wasn't she based on Fiona Apple, Alanis Morrisette and most of the angry girl movement?
Do you really have that narrow a view on women in music?

Tori Amos, Fiona Apple, and Alanis Morissette have made incredible music. It can't be written off with 1 word.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on January 27, 2013, 07:58:20 PM
I don't think Spark was attacking the female singer-songwriter craze with his post, and neither was I. In fact, I'm pretty sure he's a fan of some of Alanis and Fiona's stuff, and I appreciate all three myself.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on January 27, 2013, 08:05:53 PM
Quote from: No-Personality on January 27, 2013, 07:53:27 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on January 27, 2013, 02:51:27 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on January 27, 2013, 12:41:04 PM
Do you remember the "Shallow Boy" chick from Boy Meets World?

Tori Amos is the real-life version of her.
Wasn't she based on Fiona Apple, Alanis Morrisette and most of the angry girl movement?
Do you really have that narrow a view on women in music?

Tori Amos, Fiona Apple, and Alanis Morissette have made incredible music. It can't be written off with 1 word.
Uh, that was the era of rock music. I spoke nothing of the quality of the music.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: No-Personality on January 28, 2013, 02:15:46 PM
You belittled the music by putting it in the same narrow box that people who should have taken it more seriously did, making themselves look like assholes. You... want to associate yourself with that kind of brainless sexism because other people will accept it as a familiar shorthand?

I'll say I'm sorry if I should but I really, really can't stand this kind of thing. It boils my blood when someone is a part of a discussion where praise is thrown out to artists who are no less debatable than Apple, Amos, and Morissette and yet these women's music is so quickly dismissed.

Oh, and my comment wasn't only directed at you.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on January 28, 2013, 02:35:26 PM
It was the easiest way to describe an era in music when women wrote aggressive music and people parodied them in an archetype. I just used three quick names that came to mind to state an example It's not quite a Greaser and Soc relationship because I was just trying to make a quick distinction. If people want to know the truth, the music is right their to listen to, they can make their own distinction.

You don't have to apologize, we're just arguing semantics.  ;)

But if I offended you, I'm sorry. Anyway, Head Over Feet is one of my favorite songs from the era.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Commode on February 01, 2013, 12:44:59 PM
I always found it funny that the "angry women of rock" title was focused on artists like those, especially in an era that also had the likes of Bikini Kill, Sleater-Kinney, The Distillers, and Tilt(some of my favorites).  All of them were much more aggresive and/or abrasive than anything those others put out.  I mean, Alanis has "You Oughta Know", which is an aggresive song in it's own right, but her other well-known songs are fairly upbeat.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: No-Personality on February 01, 2013, 03:08:13 PM
Quote from: Comeau on February 01, 2013, 12:44:59 PMI always found it funny that the "angry women of rock" title was focused on artists like those, especially in an era that also had the likes of Bikini Kill, Sleater-Kinney, The Distillers, and Tilt(some of my favorites).  All of them were much more aggresive and/or abrasive than anything those others put out.  I mean, Alanis has "You Oughta Know", which is an aggresive song in it's own right, but her other well-known songs are fairly upbeat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvgi7P97lu0

;D
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on February 14, 2013, 11:49:56 PM
Adele is the British Taylor Swift

-They both dedicate entire albums to bitching about their exes...
-...aside from the token "maybe I'm the bad guy after all" track on each album, ("Somebody Like You", "Back to December")
-This trend of songwriting really only changes for movie soundtracks ("skyfall", "Safe and Sound")
-They both even sound the same in interviews.

Admittedly, this is a stupid post. But yeah, I don't get the appeal of Adele, but at least she doesn't bring womenkind back 50+ years like T Swift does.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: The Shadow Gentleman on February 15, 2013, 07:18:41 AM
Quote from: Avaitor on February 14, 2013, 11:49:56 PM
Adele is the British Taylor Swift

-They both dedicate entire albums to bitching about their exes...
-...aside from the token "maybe I'm the bad guy after all" track on each album, ("Somebody Like You", "Back to December")
-This trend of songwriting really only changes for movie soundtracks ("skyfall", "Safe and Sound")
-They both even sound the same in interviews.

Admittedly, this is a stupid post. But yeah, I don't get the appeal of Adele, but at least she doesn't bring womenkind back 50+ years like T Swift does.
Wow, I never thought about that. Now that I think about it, your right. Now I've finally pinpointed the reason I don't like Adele.

Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on February 15, 2013, 04:04:06 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on February 14, 2013, 11:49:56 PM
Adele is the British Taylor Swift

-They both dedicate entire albums to bitching about their exes...
-...aside from the token "maybe I'm the bad guy after all" track on each album, ("Somebody Like You", "Back to December")
-This trend of songwriting really only changes for movie soundtracks ("skyfall", "Safe and Sound")
-They both even sound the same in interviews.

Admittedly, this is a stupid post. But yeah, I don't get the appeal of Adele, but at least she doesn't bring womenkind back 50+ years like T Swift does.
Yeah, it's not a formula I care much for either.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on February 28, 2013, 02:43:07 PM
Man, I think I'm the only person alive who doesn't like TMBG.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: No-Personality on March 01, 2013, 06:00:58 PM
Does that mean you don't love "Istanbul" and "Particle Man"?

If you mean: "I think I'm the only person alive who doesn't like" those songs... Yes. Yes you are.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on March 03, 2013, 02:43:16 PM
I like the music videos from Tiny Toons. The songs themselves are meh.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on March 08, 2013, 07:55:41 PM
Contagious Love sounds like 1986.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on March 09, 2013, 10:37:35 PM
I don't know if I've ever told you guys this, but I'm not really that big of a Judas Priest fan. Of the three godfathers of metal, I'd still consider their work essential, but unlike Sabbath and Maiden, who have tons of albums I'd recommend, there's only a couple of Priest albums I'd namedrop. While I like their best stuff enough to consider myself a fan, I'm not in love with them, and here's why:

-Weak production values on their 70's albums. Have you listened to their first few albums recently? They sound so tame and reserved, even compared to some of the other bands from that era, such as Motorhead, Rainbow, Scorpions, and yes, even Sabbath. Rocka Rolla's lame blues-influenced sound makes it almost unlistenable, and the production on it doesn't do it any favors. I do think they came closer to matching their live sound by Killing Machine, but it's still hard to listen to those first few LPs.
-Weak songwriting in the 80's. That said, their 70's material is still among my favorite based primarily on how well most of their songs were written and performed live. Pretty much any live take on "Victim of Changes" is worth listening to, based on Glen and KK's chemistry throughout.

But have you listened to British Steel lately? It's 2/3 lame anthems, with few highlights about. This is the direction tat the band went through during the rest of the decade, with lowest common denominator lyrics, safe jams and weak solos being their main trend during most of their albums. Even the band's attempts at "edging" back up, like Defenders of the Faith, came out as uninspired more than anything.
-Rob. Sacrilege, I know, but I'm not a huge fan of Halford, at least not anymore. He's got the range, but not much of a singing voice, especially now, when it seems like all he does is hum and screech. He can still outperform most anyone with that scream, but I wouldn't dare put him above Dickinson, Dio, Barlow, Gillian, Coverdale, Hughes, Akerfeldt, etc, since all of these guys have been able to project their voice amongst the melody of their performers unlike Halford.

Like I said, I really like what I do like of Priest (Unleashed in the East and Painkiller above all else), but I'm just not that big of a fan.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on March 10, 2013, 04:45:49 PM
I actually am surprised, but I do agree. I don't want to say I find JP very 'generic' but... that's... probably the best description of them there is. Their material rarely sticks with me.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Nel_Annette on March 14, 2013, 01:11:26 AM
Just listened to the iTunes samples of Geoff Tate's new Queensryche album.

Holy fuck. Just holy fuck. What did he do to my precious "I Don't Believe In Love"?  :sad:

As for the new songs, they seem to have the same problem I had with DTC: some of the actual music sounds promising, but Tate's warbling muppet voice takes a shitparade all over it.

I'm really hoping the other guys and Todd La Torre put out a great one this summer. I feel so bad for them with Tate being so bitter about everything that he's going to childish lengths to get in the way, like releasing this steaming piece of shit just to steal attention from them.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on March 14, 2013, 10:40:11 AM
Yeah, I saw some footage of his new band perform, and ruin "Eyes of a Stranger". It doesn't sound like Geoff's winning the battle OR the war.

I am curious to see how he got KK Downing on the album, though.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: No-Personality on March 14, 2013, 02:26:18 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on March 14, 2013, 10:40:11 AMYeah, I saw some footage of his new band perform, and rape "Eyes of a Stranger".
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51C%2BUdL0lUL.jpg)


;D   ;D   ;D
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on March 14, 2013, 02:51:54 PM
I'm sure that'd be more pleasant than hear Geoff try to do Mindcrime-era stuff at this point.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Nel_Annette on March 14, 2013, 05:13:31 PM
Hopefully Tate's Queensryche will realize he's the weak link, and kick him out to continue as a second Queensryche, leaving Geoff to begin a third Queensryche so that the cycle can begin anew.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Commode on March 17, 2013, 02:42:15 AM
I always had an inkling that you weren't a Priest fan, you always presented indifference whenever they were mentioned.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on March 17, 2013, 01:52:12 PM
I am a fan, but I can count the albums that I'd like to own on one hand. Maybe add another finger to that if I'm being generous.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on April 19, 2013, 11:45:20 AM
I think ya'll know my feelings on Metallica, but I feel like I have less use for them every single day. Whenever I try to listen to them again, I feel nothing but rage. And not the good kind of rage certain types of metal should give you.

Rage as in, why these guys? Why are these lame, bloated sellouts still such a big deal? Why do people still listen to their earlier stuff, when so many other bands were doing it better even then? Why are there stans for this band today? Why does a guitarist as bland as Kirk Hammett get praised for having no distinct tone? Why have they sold so many copies of their shitty albums?

Metallica's continued admiration is one of the biggest anomalies in music.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on April 20, 2013, 09:53:13 AM
Quote from: Avaitor on April 19, 2013, 11:45:20 AM
I think ya'll know my feelings on Metallica, but I feel like I have less use for them every single day. Whenever I try to listen to them again, I feel nothing but rage. And not the good kind of rage certain types of metal should give you.

Rage as in, why these guys? Why are these lame, bloated sellouts still such a big deal? Why do people still listen to their earlier stuff, when so many other bands were doing it better even then? Why are there stans for this band today? Why does a guitarist as bland as Kirk Hammett get praised for having no distinct tone? Why have they sold so many copies of their shitty albums?

Metallica's continued admiration is one of the biggest anomalies in music.
I'm quoting this because while I'm on the subject of Metallica, I might make a post going into detail on how "Master of Puppets" is an awful, awful song.

Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Commode on April 20, 2013, 10:56:46 AM
I hate hate hate that song, so it'll be interesting to read that post.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on April 20, 2013, 11:12:16 AM
I'm always surprised when I meet other people who hate that song. It's one of my least favorite tracks ever, but apparently most of the world considers it a masterpiece.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Nel_Annette on April 20, 2013, 11:40:03 AM
Pfft. I like the song.  :thinkin:
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Lord Dalek on April 21, 2013, 05:12:13 PM
Demi Lovato just moans.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on April 21, 2013, 05:12:41 PM
Quote from: Lord Dalek on April 21, 2013, 05:12:13 PM
Demi Lovato just moans.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Micki! on April 21, 2013, 05:18:36 PM
Quote from: Lord Dalek on April 21, 2013, 05:12:13 PM
Demi Lovato just moans.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on April 21, 2013, 05:19:26 PM
Quote from: Lord Dalek on April 21, 2013, 05:12:13 PM
Demi Lovato just moans.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on April 21, 2013, 05:21:18 PM
Are you trying to get me to say something?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on April 21, 2013, 05:38:35 PM
idk
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on April 21, 2013, 05:39:14 PM
Quote from: Foggle on April 21, 2013, 05:38:35 PM
idk
my bff jill
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on April 21, 2013, 05:41:49 PM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on April 21, 2013, 05:39:14 PM
Quote from: Foggle on April 21, 2013, 05:38:35 PM
idk
my bff jill
rose pls
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on April 21, 2013, 05:45:40 PM
Well, in an opinion of my own, I think it's become a massive cliche for metal artists to reference Lovecraft and his tales in their lyrics. I do appreciate and enjoy the man's work myself, but I can see why this genre of music gets looked down upon if the only literary works they can namedrop come from old pulp magazines (or Hemingway, in Metallica's case).

I think one of the reasons that Iron Maiden remain my favorite is how literary they are. Their references go to everywhere from Dumas to Huxley to Homer and back.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Micki! on April 21, 2013, 05:55:40 PM
"A Shoggoth on the Roof" is the only true lovecraftian track worth being associated to H.P. Lovecraft
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBbd3nLn7eY&playnext=1&list=PLF1B96314B7DE24A0&feature=results_main
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on April 21, 2013, 06:02:54 PM
This is also applicable. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdDoFQK4Rrs)
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Nel_Annette on April 21, 2013, 06:28:54 PM
As much as I love Spock's Beard, the album Snow is just a rip-off of the movie Powder. And even then, only a few songs on the album are good. And you can tell they were trying to go for a The Wall/The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway concept album thing, but it just doesn't work for me.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on April 24, 2013, 02:15:11 PM
y'all need to be more open to metal. Just saying.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on April 24, 2013, 02:46:16 PM
Well, I like Diablo Swing Orchestra, if that counts. Plus all kinds of funk metal.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on April 24, 2013, 03:21:39 PM
I'm just on a such a Ghost high right now, and I'm hoping to get more of you guys to listen to their stuff already. No luck.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: SSJ Jake on May 08, 2013, 08:34:49 PM
Been a while since I posted here and some of my tastes have changed a little. A lot of this will be mainly my opinion on Metal or Hard Rock, but without further or do:

-I consider Soundgarden to be a Metal band. Some Metalheads might say "no they're Grunge you fuckin poseur" and yes they definitely boarder on being Metal and Grunge, but listening to their music there's a lot of old school Black Sabbath influences and overall heavy feel that makes me say they're Metal. Even Ecyclopaedia Metallum (http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Soundgarden/5649) recognizes them albeit not without some controversy (why them and not early influences like Led Zeppelin many have wondered). If they're to be counted as a Metal band they're the first one I ever got into.
-King Diamond's Abigail is the greatest album ever. While not an entirely unpopular opinion it seems like most Metal fans wouldn't consider anything from King Diamond or Mercyful Fate as their number 1 or even in their top 5.
-KISS sucks. I'll take Thin Lizzy or even AC/DC as my Hard Rock fix over them any day.
-Also I agree with Matt Pike on Aerosmith.
-Master of Puppets is overrated as Hel. Do I really need to explain why?
-Volbeat is a good band. I avoided listening to them for a while but when I finally did, thanks to King doing vocals in one of their songs therefore catching my interest, I find that the cross between Metal and Rockabilly works for me. Reminds me of Danzig kind of.
-I like Pantera, but I don't have a raging hard on for them like many American Metalheads do. They're a good Gateway Band, just not great.
-Messhuggah is...meh. They're not a terrible I just can't get into them.
-Ozzy Osbourne, like Metallica, gets far more credit than he deserves. I like early Black Sabbath, though I prefer the Dio era, and his first two albums were good in my opinion, but he's not that great of a singer. Plus the media knows him more for biting heads off of small animals (which is pretty Metal, but still) and for having his own stupid reality show than for his music, yet he still gets touted as the "Father of Metal". Ugh.
-Devin Townsend looks more badass completely bald than with the skullet and goatee. Some how he manages to make himself look even crazier.
(http://welikeitheavy.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/devin_townsendg.jpg)

Also Ghost is one of the best recent Metal bands to come out, though I don't know if that counts as an "unpopular opinion".
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on May 08, 2013, 08:46:25 PM
Well I agree completely with Ghost.

As for Pantera, their best album is easily Power Metal, which like the rest of their pre-Cowboys albums, they refuse to acknowledge. I also still have a soft spot for CBH, and a handful of songs from elsewhere, but as a whole, they don't do much for me anymore.

I can see why they're a big deal here, though. Pantera kind of were the first metal band to portray a sort of southern hospitality. Granted, there were plenty of death metal bands from Florida prior to their breakthrough, but Death, Morbid Angel and the like are universal. Pantera widely appeals to confederate flag-waving morons out there. But hey, Dime and the gang were at least more talented than Slipknot and their ilk.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Commode on May 09, 2013, 10:21:37 AM
KISS does suck, but I don't think AC/DC are any better in that regard.  Maybe the fact that they aren't as fake and manufactured, but I am hard pressed to name an AC/DC song that I can actually stand to listen to these days.

And I agree about Volbeat, and have always agreed about Soundgarden.  Love that band.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on May 09, 2013, 11:49:20 AM
Van Halen>Bon-era AC/DC>KISS>Brian-era AC/DC

In terms of the hard rock giants. Thin Lizzy and UFO would be above them all though.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: SSJ Jake on May 10, 2013, 01:33:40 PM
Where would you rank Guns n' Roses?

All admit AC/DC is very simple as far as Rock goes. I enjoy them mainly for the Bon Scott era (they probably should have just split up after he died like they considered doing) but, like Metallica and Ozzy, I think they get more credit then they deserve. Still I enjoy their earlier music, it's just simple fun songs about sex, Hell and Rock 'n' Roll for me. And I know KISS is that too, but I'll take Bon's vocals over anyone from KISS any day.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on May 10, 2013, 02:33:38 PM
Below KISS. Aerosmith might make it between Van Halen and Bon Scott, but only if I'm being fair and only acknowledge the first 4 albums.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: No-Personality on June 25, 2013, 10:53:11 AM
Been preparing to do my Top 100 Singles of 2000-2009 list and so I cruised a few "best of" lists out there and... here are a few important conclusions I've come to:

1. The whole wide world has gone insane. Christina Aguilera's "Dirrty" is repellant. And always has been.

2. I can't stand Cee-Lo Green. Sure, if the production on a track of his is amazing, I'll have no choice but to credit it. However, if I never hear his voice again- I'll be happier.

3. I flat-out do not like Daft Punk. I think very highly of "Around the World" and always will. But I noticed a pattern of them trying to tap into some 70's funk-disco-AM radio jam sunny blissy sound-stuff with most of their singles... Isn't that what "Music Sounds Better with You" did perfectly way before "One More Time"?

Chemical Brothers > Daft Punk
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on June 28, 2013, 04:48:34 PM
I think Queen is one of the few bands where I don't like their group harmonies at all.

Van Halen? Yes please. AC/DC? I wish Brian would let them do it more. But with Queen, I can't stand it when everyone else tries to sing along.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on July 24, 2013, 11:03:51 AM
I've been talking to a friend, and we both have come to agreement that this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlMIWLiWSMo) is Sabbath's worst song that isn't on Born Again.

A mighty tough claim, but I stand by it.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Lord Il on July 24, 2013, 04:23:45 PM
Quote from: Foggle on April 24, 2013, 02:46:16 PM
Well, I like Diablo Swing Orchestra, if that counts. Plus all kinds of funk metal.
Can you give me a few recommendations for funk metal? My ears have become thirsty for something different. =)
=============

Not a big fan of them, but I'll be going to a KISS concert next month. And this may sound really odd, but I'm doing this as research to find out if they really have something beyond being one of the most overly-hyped rock bands of our time - And live shows are the best way to measure the talent of a band. Don't get me wrong as I do plan to enjoy the show for what it is. I don't necessarily hate them, but their over-commercialized nature is what disgusts me.   :bleh:
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on July 24, 2013, 05:59:38 PM
Quote from: Lord Il on July 24, 2013, 04:23:45 PM
Can you give me a few recommendations for funk metal? My ears have become thirsty for something different. =)
Not much exists that I know of, but I'd recommend O'Funk'Illo, Infectious Grooves, and Mammal off the top of my head. There are a lot of bands where the tag funk metal could probably be considered appropriate, but I'm not sure if I'd consider them as such since I don't really know what differentiates metal from hard rock. Check Wikipedia for more possible recs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funk_metal
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Lord Il on July 24, 2013, 08:33:20 PM
^Thanks! That should help me get started on it.   8)
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Commode on July 25, 2013, 09:16:58 AM
There's some good stuff in that article; try out Faith No More, Primus, Living Colour, and the albums Fungus Amongus and S.C.I.E.N.C.E by Incubus(everything from Make Yourself on is standard hard rock, with varying degrees of quality).
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on July 25, 2013, 09:58:34 AM
Quote from: Comeau on July 25, 2013, 09:16:58 AM
There's some good stuff in that article; try out Faith No More, Primus, Living Colour, and the albums Fungus Amongus and S.C.I.E.N.C.E by Incubus(everything from Make Yourself on is standard hard rock, with varying degrees of quality).
I can vouch for these as well! And Enjoy Incubus is also really good (it's the EP between Fungus and S.C.I.E.N.C.E.). Like I said, though, I simply have no real idea what constitutes as "metal", which just leaves me guessing. Don't want to embarrass myself. :sweat:
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Lord Il on July 25, 2013, 09:22:54 PM
Quote from: Foggle on July 25, 2013, 09:58:34 AM
Quote from: Comeau on July 25, 2013, 09:16:58 AM
There's some good stuff in that article; try out Faith No More, Primus, Living Colour, and the albums Fungus Amongus and S.C.I.E.N.C.E by Incubus(everything from Make Yourself on is standard hard rock, with varying degrees of quality).
I can vouch for these as well! And Enjoy Incubus is also really good (it's the EP between Fungus and S.C.I.E.N.C.E.).
Apparently I've been listening to Faith No More, and Primus long before I knew much about the term. lol! Thanks again for the info. :)

I'm listening to the Enjoy Incubus EP right now. This is GOOD!

Quote from: Foggle on July 25, 2013, 09:58:34 AMLike I said, though, I simply have no real idea what constitutes as "metal", which just leaves me guessing. Don't want to embarrass myself. :sweat:
Bah, I wouldn't know one way or the other. No worries, man. ;)
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on September 24, 2013, 02:24:51 PM
Can someone tell me what the big deal about ABBA is? I don't get it, at all.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Nel_Annette on September 24, 2013, 05:56:14 PM
They're a big deal? I thought they were just a joke!
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on September 26, 2013, 08:46:05 PM
I don't care about 'cultural differences', The Jam should have been big here.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on October 16, 2013, 02:50:06 PM
It isn't an unpopular opinion to say that Deep Purple contributed way more to music than Nirvana, right?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: No-Personality on October 16, 2013, 05:49:29 PM
No. But Nirvana defined the 90's in a very big way. What 2Pac and Notorious B.I.G. were to rap, they were to grunge. Which gave way to alternative, the two are very strongly connected. Deep Purple may be the forerunners in a specific brand of rock but as for Rock 'N Roll itself, they have to stand in a sizable line of influential acts of their time. Historically, they don't stand out very much unless you know rock very well.

And the big deal with ABBA is: have you heard them?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Commode on October 16, 2013, 06:16:36 PM
Historically though Deep Purple does stand out.  Name me one person in a rock band that doesn't start out playing "Smoke on the Water".  You can't, it's one of the most, if not the most, played song for beginners in guitar.

And aside from being an influence of young Kurt Cobain himself(alongside other 70s rock acts like Led Zeppelin, Aerosmith, Black Sabbath, and Kiss), they have been highly influential to pretty much every facet of hard rock since their time.

People say Nirvana was influential to the alternative rock scene, but I think they were merely at the right place at the right time.  The alternative scene was already bubbling under the surface at the tail end of the 80s, from mainstream acts like Jane's Addiction and R.E.M. to lesser known acts like Sonic Youth and the Pixies.  Some exec somewhere down the line shoveled the Smells Like Teen Spirit video down MTV's throat and it caught(similar to Guns N Roses and Welcome to the Jungle a few years prior).  They had a few year run, were already on the verge of losing relevancy when Cobain committed suicide in April 1994, and within a few years the grunge scene had withered away and was forgotten, as punk/pop-punk, nu-metal, and Brit-pop(Oasis, Radiohead) was at the forefront of alternative music.  There was post-grunge for a period in the mid to late 90s(Bush and other crap) that has continued to this day with the likes of Nickleback and Puddle of Mudd(thanks for that, Nirvana), but I mean in the grand scheme of things they really aren't that influential.  The biggest influence they had was in the Foo Fighters, which was a great band for a few years, then got progressively worse.

And I take offense to comparing Nirvana to 2pac and Biggie, since they were some of the best lyricists in rap history.  Kurt's lyrics by comparison are utter garbage.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on October 16, 2013, 06:36:52 PM
It is hard to say that Nirvana had no impact on the industry, whether you like them or not. There really wasn't much else on the radio that sounded like Nevermind, and a lot of artists who hit the scene since consider the band one of their greatest influences, so I have a lot to thank them for. I don't think that they're the greatest band of their kind, or obviously they weren't the only alt band to appeal to the mainstream at that point, even if R.E.M. shared next-to nothing with them in terms of sound. But it is hard to say that they had no impact.

I didn't vote for them in the HOF, because they don't need my vote, but I would not be against them making it in on the ballot. LL Cool J and N.W.A. are other stories, but hey.

But with Deep Purple, I swear that most people who bought one or more of their albums back in the day ended up forming a band of their own. They've been the guiding light for so many different great bands, and continue to influence people to pick up a guitar or drumstick today. And certainly not just for Smoke.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: No-Personality on October 17, 2013, 07:24:33 AM
Quote from: Comeau on October 16, 2013, 06:16:36 PMHistorically though Deep Purple does stand out. Name me one person in a rock band that doesn't start out playing "Smoke on the Water". You can't, it's one of the most, if not the most, played song for beginners in guitar.
Quote from: No-Personality on October 16, 2013, 05:49:29 PMHistorically, they don't stand out very much unless you know rock very well.
Yeah, I covered that. And there's plenty of ignorance on my part to what Deep Purple are to their fans and to people who play loyalty to rock as encompassing-all to the point where they reject everything on the radio if there isn't rock on it that hits them right in their [fill in the blank, whatever organ DP touch the most prevalently]. But absolutely no disrespect: I wouldn't love Wayne's World as much as I do if I didn't feel they really knew what they were talking about. I even sort of liked Airheads.

The audience is what makes music history. And the history of the past is a history unto itself, the messages and importance of a band or artist is decided on the relevance they have to the time in which their names are made. And if you think the audience for Nirvana were just responding to a sound and not everything that band was, you're off. The fans were smarter than that. Nirvana were much more than a sound. People responded to an actual message in their music as well as their force on the zeitgeist. They took it to heart and the band spearheaded legitimate and profound thought on real life issues as its theorized that they (with message as well as sound) represented the awakening collective unconscious angst of a generation. It was not one song, one line, one anything. There was no Fluke Success here. That band lived what they believed in and the fans did too. Were they the only great, important, relevant act? No. But they don't have to be the best or most important to be "the one" who made history.

I don't disagree with you on the scene at all. But I very strongly disagree about this "right place, right time" theory. Because we are still discussing this from a masses-consideration standpoint. They don't usually have much of a clue what's going on (and I'd be the first to lead the torch-wielding mob if we were discussing horror rather than music) but we can't deny they are where the history happens.


Quote from: Comeau on October 16, 2013, 06:16:36 PMThe alternative scene was already bubbling under the surface at the tail end of the 80s, from mainstream acts like Jane's Addiction and R.E.M. to lesser known acts like Sonic Youth and the Pixies.
I don't disagree. But, how do you remember the late 80's? If your answer doesn't involve some sort of softening of the early 80's pop, you may be on a page in a whole other book away from me. Any reading on R.E.M. that I do which discusses music in the late 80's mentions that the band had about zero mainstream success until "The One I Love," and that then they didn't become overnight successes. Just look at the song itself, the mainstream thinks it's fucking romantic. We both know the scene didn't change until Nirvana. And record company agendas do not always work co-dependently with the way an audience reacts. I have never bought that argument and I'm not about to start now. The people who believe it does are, here we go again: typically the Noah Van Der Hoffs of the industry (yeah, that's Wayne's World again).


Quote from: Comeau on October 16, 2013, 06:16:36 PMThey had a few year run, were already on the verge of losing relevancy when Cobain committed suicide in April 1994, and within a few years the grunge scene had withered away and was forgotten, as punk/pop-punk, nu-metal, and Brit-pop(Oasis, Radiohead) was at the forefront of alternative music.  There was post-grunge for a period in the mid to late 90s(Bush and other crap) that has continued to this day with the likes of Nickleback and Puddle of Mudd(thanks for that, Nirvana), but I mean in the grand scheme of things they really aren't that influential.  The biggest influence they had was in the Foo Fighters, which was a great band for a few years, then got progressively worse.
I very much don't disagree with you on Foo Fighters. I admit I just stopped caring after "Headwires" (which I fuckin' LOVE), but - what do I know? - I hate "Everlong."

Anyway, as for the rest of that cynical viewpoint: I clearly don't share it. As a horror fan, I know all too well how one work's influence affects trends. But why the hell would I blame Last House on the Left for I Spit on Your Grave, Night Train Murders, etc? I sure as fuck don't blame Scream for Valentine, Disturbing Behavior, Scary Movie, etc. Cash-in rip-off artists are a reality of the industry. So what? Did the Monkees rip-off the Beatles or could they make great music of a similar type on their own? It doesn't matter. Talent of those ripping them off is entirely unrelated to an artist or group unless they are collaborating.


Quote from: Comeau on October 16, 2013, 06:16:36 PMAnd I take offense to comparing Nirvana to 2pac and Biggie, since they were some of the best lyricists in rap history.  Kurt's lyrics by comparison are utter garbage.
I clearly wasn't comparing lyrical styles specifically.

But, thanks for your outrage.
(I never know what to say in these situations, but rest assured I'll always say somethin'.)
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on October 17, 2013, 08:33:41 PM
Never really liked them even at the time (they also weren't very big here until after he died) but I don't deny that they deserve a place in the hall of fame for at least being a figurehead of the movement.

Still, they should not be in before Link Wray or Dick Dale. I'm floored that neither are in yet.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on November 02, 2013, 02:50:05 PM
Queens of the Stone Age, man. I keep on giving them multiple chances, but they always just underwhelm me each time. Their music as a whole really just sounds like watered-down doom to me.

I'll take Kyuss and the Desert Sessions over QOTSA any day.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Nel_Annette on November 02, 2013, 06:00:16 PM
I like a bit of their songs, but a bunch of people were praising their latest release and I just don't see it. The album didn't even get good until the last three tracks. That's bad.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on November 04, 2013, 06:56:23 PM
I never really got far into them beyond the fact that Grohl was the drummer on SFTD. There were a lot of fun beats on that album.

Even if No One Knows was the only song that worked well, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on November 04, 2013, 07:45:13 PM
Dave's a lot of fun when he goes back to drums. His Killing Joke album was one of their best, too.

Honestly though, I don't even hate QOTSA. Homme's tone is still present and there's credible songwriting throughout, but i don't think they're the second coming of whatever critics are claiming them to be. I remember when EW reviewed 13 a few months ago, they said that instead of listening to Sabbath's new stuff, you should check out ...Like Clockwork instead. That's where I draw the line.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on November 04, 2013, 07:59:09 PM
They were hailing them as the "real" return of proper rock music when the garage bands were out, too. Saying that they were the "real" deal.

I don't get the comparison at all.

I just hear a decent band.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Nel_Annette on November 05, 2013, 01:16:50 AM
...I think Drama is the best Yes album.  :joy:
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on November 06, 2013, 04:24:34 PM
I like Safe & Sound.

I don't know if that's unpopular or not, but it uses varied instruments which a lot of mainstream dance music doesn't.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on November 06, 2013, 05:08:10 PM
The Taylor Swift song?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on November 06, 2013, 05:10:49 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on November 06, 2013, 04:24:34 PM
I like Safe & Sound.

I don't know if that's unpopular or not, but it uses varied instruments which a lot of mainstream dance music doesn't.
By Capital Cities? I don't think that's an unpopular opinion. I love Capital Cities.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on November 06, 2013, 05:11:10 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on November 06, 2013, 05:08:10 PM
The Taylor Swift song?
No, Capital Cities.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Nel_Annette on November 06, 2013, 09:14:48 PM
I don't think it's unpopular. I love Capital Cities, and most people I know seem to quite like the song.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: No-Personality on November 15, 2013, 05:45:54 AM
Hearing people basically say rock is the best genre of music makes me want to argue that it is not, regardless of how often rock instruments factor into dance and electronic music (and regardless of whether I actually believe it is not).

I feel there is an inherent emphasis on male and heterosexual (and sometimes white) influence in rock over female-dominated or just purely sexually / racially ambivalent genres, styles, sounds, etc. (And often women in rock as well.)

Personally, I've felt at times the need to compromise my own comfort listening to music and ability to admit love for a variety of music because other people imposed their own discomfort over / into their reasoning for why certain music "sucks."

Being online is great in that there is less pressure to conform but there is still a strong anti-Non Rock sentiment that makes me feel a lot of very effective music is being shafted because the loudest, most prevalent voices are from rock fans.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on November 15, 2013, 09:51:34 AM
I definitely gravitate towards music with traditional rock instruments more than most else, but I also listen to a LOT of jazz, and there's plenty of pop, R&B and rap that I'm also quite fond of.

While I do feel that usually, rock fans become critical of other popular styles of music because they feel isolated from the norm, now that only the lamest acts make any impact on the charts, it does seem like there is some sexism going on with pop critics in particular. Since let's be honest, for the longest time, pop has been a ladies' game. And while some of the artists attacked do require criticism, many do not deserve the death threats they receive from losers online.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on November 15, 2013, 04:23:05 PM
I like the sound of brass, drums, guitar, piano, and bass. It doesn't have to be rock for me to like it, but those instruments always sound good to me. Even hip hop that samples said instruments I could like depending on the lyrics. Old school instruments are my preferred instruments.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Peanutbutter on November 16, 2013, 08:03:11 AM
A lot of Top 40 is more listenable the last few years than in a long while. Especially with the amount of Indie Pop, Indie Rock, and even a couple of Indie Techno hits making it to the charts.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Commode on November 16, 2013, 08:13:04 AM
Eh, I guess.  I do listen to a decent amount of Top 40, via Sirius's Hits 1 channel, and I do hear things I like such as "Royals" and "Summertime Sadness" and "Still Into You" and "Clarity".  But at the same time they still play the stuff like "Roar" and "Applause" and "Wrecking Ball" that I've always disliked.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on November 16, 2013, 10:19:26 AM
I actually don't like any of those songs, haha. I've been particularly avoiding the radio lately, especially now that the rock station doesn't play the full version of "God is Dead?" anymore.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Nel_Annette on November 16, 2013, 12:43:47 PM
"You're going to hear me roa-oa-oa-oa-oa-oa-oa-oa-"

"Shut up bitch shut up!"
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on November 18, 2013, 04:30:18 PM
It's no Call Me, but I could do without hearing that for one day.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on November 18, 2013, 04:46:47 PM
"Roar" is basically Firework 2. Same course, and bland as ever.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: No-Personality on November 18, 2013, 07:36:21 PM
Quote from: Comeau on November 16, 2013, 08:13:04 AMBut at the same time they still play the stuff like "Roar" and "Applause" and "Wrecking Ball" that I've always disliked.
There's almost no one's opinion online I treat as gospel but I find it amusing that both Katy Perry and - especially - Miley Cyrus's new albums have gotten surprisingly glowing praise from... yep, Slant Magazine. Who are renowned for being extremely reserved with their praise. Given how disappointed I was in Lady Gaga's latest, I think I just might check out Bangerz. (Amazing album cover, by the way - http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/25/Miley_Cyrus_Bangerz_%28Album_Cover%29.jpg - very reminiscent of the days of the 80's album covers)
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on November 18, 2013, 08:45:08 PM
I tried listening to Bangerz, but it gave me a headache.

And I already didn't like the two singles to begin with.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on November 18, 2013, 08:52:02 PM
Chop Suey! is such an annoying song.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on November 18, 2013, 08:54:49 PM
I don't agree!

But it's cool, man.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: No-Personality on November 18, 2013, 10:54:51 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on November 18, 2013, 08:45:08 PMI tried listening to Bangerz, but it gave me a headache.

And I already didn't like the two singles to begin with.
I finished it a half-hour ago and I have to say I'm extremely impressed. There were about 3 songs I'd toss in the dumpster (especially that one that sampled "Stand by Me" - UGH!!!, painful) but the rest were shockingly solid. The music might be meh at best with someone else but... those lyrics are so mature, they almost make me scoff at the people who scoffed at her for her recent (admittedly hard to watch) music videos / concert performances. She actually has a point to make and I'll be goddamned if she doesn't make it effectively. Thinking back on Todd's review of "We Can't Stop," he almost comes off as condescending.

I have to really go out on a limb and defend "The New Miley," she's not just doing all this aggressive "FU"ing to defend stupid behavior in clubs. She's doing all this aggressive "FU"ing to say it's her right to do what she wants. And, you know what... she's not wrong. Most of this behavior of hers is in response to attitudes I actually complained about a couple days ago. The people who whined during "Can't Be Tamed" that "aww, but she's just a little girl" are actually, probably, more naive than she's supposed to be. It was a bad song, a bad video, and a bad movement for her because it just wasn't compelling. It didn't have any actual argument behind it. She's clearly loaded up her guns since. And people are choosing to react to the trashiness rather than what it symbolizes. I never thought I'd say an artist was using partying as a metaphor for freedom but that's what she's doing: so long as the media reacts with shocked testimonies by people claiming she's a role model (which she is but she shouldn't be and we clearly haven't learned that after Britney and Christina, Lady Gaga, Ke$ha, Taylor Swift, Avril Lavigne, and Rihanna) than maybe Miley should be lashing out.

Although, I stand by this mainly in light of how weak Gaga's latest has been. Oh and being a Facebook follower of Michael Brandon- a wonderfully in-your-face daily reminder that gays have been living Miley's "lifestyle" for decades (before it was mainstream - and, yes, I hate that expression) and sometimes, I think that's why I see so many kids today get pissy when they see their darling Tart of Choice's latest blasted on a publication like Slant. It's been a disturbing trend that most female artists are typically criticized in the public for their image rather than their music quality. And there are fundamental ties between this and the fact that it's an everyday fight to just get people to stop judging people for any random thing. It'll never stop and, so, there apparently has to be a bar of sleaze artists are continually trying to one-up. Miley's trying to do this with some degree of righteousness and her attention to detail here has at least matched her moxie. And sexually, if you appreciate that detail, she's being surprisingly adult about all this. With no real credit for it because people keep reading a constant state of something being parodied as proof that the thing being parodied must suck rather than the people parodying being just as desperate for attention.

And... she might have done this better than Lady Gaga did. I quote:

"It's our party we can do what we want to
It's our house we can love who we want to
It's our song we can sing if we want to
It's my mouth I can say what I want to

We can kiss who we want
We can sing what we want"


This is at least every bit as "subtle" as just naming off groups of people who are... people. And, this might sound all kinds of crazy but, she's just letting people say whatever they want to about her instead of correcting them to tell them this is a song about life and not being ashamed. Because in the song's logic, no one in the club is shaming them for having big butts or kissing anyone in sight (at least 90% a metaphor for freedom from you-must-only-be-amorous-with-one-gender or one-color / ethnicity). This is about people not letting the everyday judgments of others get to them.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Kiddington on November 24, 2013, 09:52:45 AM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on November 18, 2013, 08:52:02 PM
Chop Suey! is such an annoying song.

Ahah, was just thinking about that the other. I don't feel like there's any middle ground with them, at least for me; you either love 'em or hate 'em.

I do like Toxicity, though. I can't explain it.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: talonmalon333 on February 10, 2014, 06:35:08 PM
"Let It Be" is an overrated song. Not one of my Beatles favorites.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on February 10, 2014, 06:57:38 PM
I think it's a good song, but the album is easily the weakest from their later days. Unless you count Yellow Submarine. :P
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: No-Personality on February 10, 2014, 08:55:43 PM
I don't like "Let It Be" either.

One more vote for overrated here.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on February 10, 2014, 09:02:17 PM
I like the song. The album not so much.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Nel_Annette on February 10, 2014, 10:34:28 PM
Same here. Album's got about... three(?) songs I like off of it, and even then, I like the Past Masters versions of some of those tracks more.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: talonmalon333 on February 10, 2014, 10:40:43 PM
I don't dislike Let It Be. I just think it's an overrated song and not particularly great. I actually like Yellow Submarine more, Avaitor. :P
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Peanutbutter on February 11, 2014, 03:17:21 AM
Except for The Times Are Changing, I've never liked Bob Dylan.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on February 11, 2014, 07:23:24 AM
Quote from: talonmalon333 on February 10, 2014, 10:40:43 PM
I don't dislike Let It Be. I just think it's an overrated song and not particularly great. I actually like Yellow Submarine more, Avaitor. :P
The song's cute (and from Revolver, btw), but the soundtrack's pretty blah. "Hey Bulldog" aside.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: No-Personality on February 11, 2014, 10:34:49 AM
Quote from: Peanutbutter on February 11, 2014, 03:17:21 AMI've never liked Bob Dylan.
Same.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on February 11, 2014, 11:35:38 AM
Also, while we're on The Beatles- I hate Magical Mystery Tour. All of it.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: The Shadow Gentleman on February 11, 2014, 01:15:57 PM
"Let It Be" is probably one of the "great" Beatles song I listen to the least, and I've never been a big fan of the album. I really wish they released Abbey Road last instead. Much better finish.

Quote from: No-Personality on February 11, 2014, 10:34:49 AM
Quote from: Peanutbutter on February 11, 2014, 03:17:21 AMI've never liked Bob Dylan.
Same.
This too.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on February 11, 2014, 01:42:38 PM
Quote from: The Shadow Gentleman on February 11, 2014, 01:15:57 PM
I really wish they released Abbey Road last instead. Much better finish.
Same. Abbey Road's still my favorite Beatles album.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on February 11, 2014, 02:36:54 PM
I think Like A Rolling Stone is Bob Dylan's best song.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: No-Personality on February 11, 2014, 03:21:27 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on February 11, 2014, 11:35:38 AMAlso, while we're on The Beatles- I hate Magical Mystery Tour. All of it.
A couple weeks ago, I listened to 3 Beatles albums back-to-back: MMT, Abbey Road, and SPLHCB. Magical Mystery Tour was the best, says these ears.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on February 11, 2014, 03:40:21 PM
Quote from: No-Personality on February 11, 2014, 03:21:27 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on February 11, 2014, 11:35:38 AMAlso, while we're on The Beatles- I hate Magical Mystery Tour. All of it.
A couple weeks ago, I listened to 3 Beatles albums back-to-back: MMT, Abbey Road, and SPLHCB. Magical Mystery Tour was the best, says these ears.
I don't like how any of it comes off, never have. I've given MMT multiple chances, but it all sounds like Sgt. Pepper rejects to me.

I'm glad that you find something that I'm missing, but it isn't for me at all.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on February 13, 2014, 11:31:40 AM
Here's one I've recently been thinking-

The black album>Master of Puppets and Justice

When you get down to it, a lot of the lesser-known tracks on the black album are pretty solid and it has a decent, unique flow, even though the singles are mostly awful. MOP and Justice are just weaker retreads of Ride the Lightning.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: No-Personality on March 29, 2014, 09:50:05 AM
Okay, Macklemore...   :burn:

I like the man. As a man- he is smooth (enough), got style, flair, he has the makings of a great figure in music...

But, I officially want to add anyone who says "comeup / come-up" to my hitlist (hitman's target list). That is not an acceptable shorthand for the word "bargain." Not because it's classless or a contradiction in terms or for any ideological reason, it's just a bad damn arrangement of words, letters. I am this close to never listening to "Thrift Shop" again. I... can't trust myself to not grind my teeth. Until they shatter. Otherwise, I like the song. A lot. Fuckin' pop culture- everyone just has to be trendy. Even when they're arguing to go against the trends, they're forcing something on you.

This song is in no way better than "Royals"... Todd in the Shadows.

Oh, and what else did he say? You can't "complain" about something without arguing for a solution... Uh, she wasn't complaining- she was being proud for what her and her friends have.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on March 29, 2014, 11:27:38 AM
I still think it's better than "Royals". But otherwise, I think Macklemore has terrible flow.

I dunno, I'm just sick of everyone nowadays.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Commode on March 29, 2014, 11:30:32 AM
I like "White Walls".  "Thrift Shop" is alright too, but I wouldn't call myself a fan.

And I still like "Royals", "Tennis Court", and "Team".
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Nel_Annette on March 29, 2014, 11:39:29 AM
I'll take anything Macklemore's done to any of the garbage from Lorde they keep playing on the radio.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Commode on March 29, 2014, 11:41:31 AM
What's on the radio these days?  Haven't been listening to either local radio or Sirius the last couple of weeks, been rotating Social Distortion and Rancid CD's in my car.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on March 29, 2014, 11:46:23 AM
Personally, I think Blurred Lines is a very deep and philosophical song about the human condition. Every time Pharrell says "woo!", it represents the innermost fabric of Robin Thicke's brain deteriorating ever so slightly, until the end of the track, when it is clear that he has lost all motor functions and gone insane. This song asserts that all men are rapists, and it could not be any more correct, as I have witnessed my peers and myself at clubs. Against our own will, our bodies are controlled by alien ray beams that disable men from hearing or understanding the word "no."

"Everybody get up," indeed. Get up on top of the desk and fling your own feces at the wall like a good man.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Commode on March 29, 2014, 11:57:08 AM
Quote from: Homura Akemi on March 29, 2014, 11:53:00 AM
I prefer the original Summertime Sadness over the remix. The remix is shit. Also, the Kidz Bop version of Thrift Shop is better than the original in my honest and humble opinion.
This version?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVjsGKrE6E8

Yeah, I like this one quite a bit more than the club-sounding version.  I've been meaning to listen to the actual album though.  One of these days.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: No-Personality on March 29, 2014, 12:16:05 PM
I really don't care what other people think about Robin Thicke. I am not impressed by the claims that he is stupid or that the song is about rape. I admit his lyrics are sleazy and not, by themselves, intelligent to any degree. Maybe one day, my tolerance for them will be gone. But, the music is good. "Blurred Lines" is a good song. His album is good. His songs don't have to be deep for the intention of the songs to not be what people who are not very interesting in the first place claim They Must Be. And if the likes of Todd in the Shadows want us to realize that music criticism is self-righteous and just looking to turn anything into controversy, then Lorde and Thicke are not automatic exceptions to the rule. Especially not because of overplay.

Meanwhile, yes, my Macklemore nitpick is no more than the same thing you guys are doing with Thicke. Yes, I said his wordplay is as annoying to me as the alleged rape lyrics are to everyone else. And...

wow, what's this? I still don't care. I would be interested in hearing thoughtful debate but this is ridiculous. At least my arguments are a matter of taste- I am now getting people telling me that I'm stupid. That's crossing the line.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on March 29, 2014, 12:20:44 PM
I wasn't actually trying to insult you, I just made a silly and nonsensical post as per my usual M.O.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: No-Personality on March 29, 2014, 12:33:13 PM
Quote from: Foggle on March 29, 2014, 12:20:44 PMI wasn't actually trying to insult you, I just made a silly and nonsensical post as per my usual M.O.
Then I withdraw that part of my reply.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on March 29, 2014, 03:51:51 PM
A reminder that this is an Unpopular Opinions thread, not a soapbox for you to antagonize other users just because they disagree with your musical tastes. Several users and moderators have criticized your behavior on the forum, and insist that you learn civility. If you cannot abide by that, then leave.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Lord Dalek on March 29, 2014, 09:13:38 PM
Lorde sucks.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on April 13, 2014, 01:32:02 PM
Can we all agree that Franky Z>Beatles and Dylan combined?
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: talonmalon333 on April 13, 2014, 04:03:10 PM
I'll need time to think about that one.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: No-Personality on April 15, 2014, 11:50:02 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on April 13, 2014, 01:32:02 PMCan we all agree that Franky Z>Beatles and Dylan combined?
I am so with you there on Dylan. As I'm sure you know.

But I didn't realize Frank Zappa made pop music. Like real pop. The sugary stuff. The jangly stuff. (Did I spell that right?)
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on April 16, 2014, 02:13:28 PM
Well more doo wop than pop.

That's actually one of things I like about Zappa so much. He was emphatically NOT a Beatles fan. He was way more into doo wop, blues, and jazz compared to most rock. Even now, Freak Out! still sounds unique compared to the period, even though Sgt. Pepper stole a lot from it.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: No-Personality on April 16, 2014, 03:59:58 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on April 16, 2014, 02:13:28 PMWell more doo wop than pop.

That's actually one of things I like about Zappa so much. He was emphatically NOT a Beatles fan. He was way more into doo wop, blues, and jazz compared to most rock. Even now, Freak Out! still sounds unique compared to the period, even though Sgt. Pepper stole a lot from it.
I haven't listened to much Zappa. Or anything beyond "Valley Girl" but I will check him out soon.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: No-Personality on April 17, 2014, 12:38:42 PM
I'm waiting 'til I see the movie until I hear the song. It's incredibly easy to avoid. I don't even know anyone Offline who has seen the movie.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on July 02, 2014, 10:00:03 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on April 13, 2014, 01:32:02 PM
Can we all agree that Franky Z>Beatles and Dylan combined?
I'm still holding this opinion, and I'd also say that Simon & Garfunkel are completely superior to Dylan and the Fab Four, as well.

Also, solo Gabriel>solo Collins or either Genesis era
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Nel_Annette on July 02, 2014, 10:13:31 PM
Nah, I'd still take both the Gabriel era and the Collins era of Genesis, and then Gabriel's solo stuff. If we're going by albums, anyway. Individual songs is way more of a jumble. Never could get into Phil's solo stuff though.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on July 02, 2014, 10:44:50 PM
I like a lot of stuff from both eras, although I prefer the Collins era of Genesis before they went increasingly commercia. But truthfully, Gabriel's solo work just speaks to me in a way that Genesis as a whole hasn't been able to.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: No-Personality on July 05, 2014, 01:19:14 AM
In general, I think I have to say I like the Collins/Genesis stuff a little more than Gabriel. The more I listen to some of PG's stuff, some of it is much too harsh on the ears ("Steam," "Kiss That Frog," "Shock the Monkey") or I grab the remote as quick as possible ("Don't Give Up," "Shakin' the Tree"). Surprisingly, I quite like "Digging in the Dirt" though. From that Us period most of his harsher tracks are from.

Sure, a lot of PC/Genesis's stuff just sits like a bump of a log ("Another Day in Paradise," "Jesus He Knows Me," "No Son of Mine") but... wow, their best is pretty freaking killer: "Sussudio," "Invisible Touch," "Take Me Home," "In Too Deep," "Easy Lover," "Don't Lose My Number," "In the Air Tonight," "One More Night"... and, I like "I Can't Dance." I don't really separate the two entities.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Rynnec on July 24, 2014, 11:33:25 PM
Master of Puppets is one of Metallica's most overrated songs. Give me No Remorse or And Justice For All anyday.

Similarly, I'm not too big on Bohemian Rhapsody. I love Queen's other stuff, but that one doesn't really do anything for me.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Foggle on July 25, 2014, 12:20:29 AM
Quote from: Rynnec on July 24, 2014, 11:33:25 PM
Master of Puppets is one of Metallica's most overrated songs.
Agreed. I just... can't listen to that song. I find it really boring and unpleasant. But then again, my opinions on rock and especially metal are not to be trusted.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on October 27, 2015, 02:09:20 PM
Have I ever mentioned that "Comfortably Numb" is the only part of The Wall that I like?

It's also the only song that Roger Waters had no control over, so I guess that says a lot about my opinion on Pink Floyd.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: talonmalon333 on October 27, 2015, 02:36:59 PM
While I don't agree, I do vastly prefer Pink Floyd's earlier days.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Nel_Annette on October 27, 2015, 09:56:37 PM
Most of the wall is incredibly boring filler but I do like more songs on it than just Comfortably Numb. Though that's undeniably the best song on there.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Avaitor on October 27, 2015, 10:59:59 PM
I'm honestly just not much of a Pink Floyd fan. I was when I was younger, but I keep on losing interest in them. I do genuinely love Wish You Were Here, and mostly dig Piper and Dark Side, though.

Most else besides those, I can take or leave.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: talonmalon333 on October 28, 2015, 09:38:47 AM
I love how much more experimental they originally were. Once they stopped that, they were still very good, but not as good.

Echoes remains my favorite of theirs.
Title: Re: Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Music
Post by: Markness on February 29, 2016, 07:47:36 PM
I prefer 90's music over 80's. Sure, a lot of the bands I like originated in the 80's but their best works were in the 90's (Corrosion of Conformity, Godflesh, KMFDM, Ministry, Napalm Death, Neurosis, Primus, Prong, Soundgarden, etc.) The 90's were also when Clutch and Tool were born.

I am a metal head but I prefer bands who prefer making a single riff sound good (Godflesh) before moving onto the next one rather than jamming millions of riffs (Dream Theater) into a song.

Black Flag are so much better than The Ramones.

I prefer Black Sabbath over Led Zeppelin. Both are good but Black Sabbath appeal to me more. Tony Iommi does not get the love he deserves as a guitarist and Iron Man isn't their only song.

Buddy Holly is so much better than Elvis Presley.

The Doors and The Rolling Stones are much more interesting than The Beatles.