Poll
Question:
Should Toonami air Boku no Pico?
Option 1: Yes
votes: 0
Option 2: Fuck yes
votes: 2
Option 3: Only if they air the sequels as well
votes: 4
Option 4: Only if they dub it first
votes: 9
The schedule:
12:00 Bleach
12:30 Deadman Wonderland
1:00 Casshern Sins
1:30 Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood
2:00 Ghost in the Shell
2:30 Cowboy Bebop
Pretty decent schedule, I guess. I would have replaced GitS with Outlaw Star though. Haven't seen either of the new shows, but they do sound interesting, so I'll check them out.
As for everything else:
Quote from: Jason DeMarcoWe will not be showing Naruto, DBZ, etc for now. The rights to those shows are owned by our competition or are out of our price range.
SPEAKING OF WHICH: Something you should know about THIS Toonami: We have very,very little $$. This experiment will need ratings success to receive more funding for new shows, more Tom animation, etc. I?m thankful for the $$ we?ve gotten, but it isn?t a lot.
Toonami will have to prove itself to get more resources, just like it had to do when we first launched.
TOM: Will be voiced as always by Steve Blum. Who is doing it for love. Just like we are. Tom will be an updated hi-res version of Tom 3.0. The Absolution will be a slightly different but almost identical version of the one from the Tom 3.0 era as well.
There will be no SARA for now. She costs too much to make. But if we can bring her back, we sure will.
We will try to have some new content each week- game reviews, music videos, content pieces etc. As much as we can afford and make.
Music: Music will come from a number of places: Ghostly, Warp Records, Victory Records, Now Again records, as well as friends of ours like @therealelp, @flyinglotus, Chris Devoe, Ben Burton, and many others. No, we won?t be using JBV (Joe Boyd Vigil, one of the original architects of the Toonami soundtracks).
Peter Cullen will NOT be the voice of the promos. He?s busy with Transformers and Eeyore and doesn?t do many promos. Love you Peter!
Schedule again: you are all entitled to your opinions, but we feel good about it. And yes, Kim Manning is programming it. Love you Kim!
Lastly, just want to say thank you to all who have supported and brought it back. If you can KEEP supporting us, we will have more $$, which means more shows, more Tom footage, Sara, etc. SO THANK YOU. And keep it up!
And the show's will apparently keep their intros.
This is the most ambitious thing [as] had done with their action schedule in years, and getting Toonami to prove its worth is going to be a hard road. But who knows? It could kick ass, it could be "meh", or it could totally suck. Only way to find out for sure is to tune in on the 26th, and let the revolution begin!
Pretty much what I was thinking it was going to be, and was against. I'm not familiar with the new shows, so I might check them out, but that'll be it.
They could at least bring back some DC shows, since those shouldn't cost anything. But I know, I know, they're not anime.
Quote from: Brak's Dad on May 21, 2012, 02:42:09 PM
Pretty much what I was thinking it was going to be, and was against. I'm not familiar with the new shows, so I might check them out, but that'll be it.
They could at least bring back some DC shows, since those shouldn't cost anything. But I know, I know, they're not anime.
They've hardly been doing anything with the DC show's, I dunno if they no longer have airing rights or what, but I'd definitely take them over GitS. I would have taken anything over GitS (well,
almost anything) I'm actually kind of glad Panty & Stocking isn't on there
More western action show's would be welcomed.
QuoteDeadman Wonderland
This is a show that would have aired on Adult Swim back in the day before it stole all the generic shonen from Toonami. Ironic.
I want to support this, but I have no real interest in watching any of those.
I'd take ANYTHING over Panty & Stoking, myself.
Bleach - NOPE.
Deadman Wonderland - NOPE.
Casshern Sins - Nope.
Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood - Nope.
Ghost in the Shell - Own the DVDs.
Cowboy Bebop - Own the DVDs.
Thanks, but no thanks, Toonami.
Some people are actually disappointed Panty & Stocking didn't make the cut. I don't even know where to begin. :wth:
As far as the lineup is concerned... eh. I don't really like it, but I'll give it a shot. Hopefully they get some better stuff in the future.
People like Deadman and Casshern?
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on May 21, 2012, 03:27:47 PM
People like Deadman and Casshern?
Sadly, yes. Casshern is more mediocre than outright bad, though. But honestly, I'd rather watch P&S over those two and Bleach... :whuh:
Quote from: Foggle on May 21, 2012, 03:29:57 PM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on May 21, 2012, 03:27:47 PM
People like Deadman and Casshern?
Sadly, yes. Casshern is more mediocre than outright bad, though. But honestly, I'd rather watch P&S over those two and Bleach... :whuh:
Well, they're the most "Toonami-ish" anime to have been made in a long time, so I suppose they either had to get that or scrounge through a pool of slice-of-life shows. Or could've gotten Steins;Gate, but meh.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on May 21, 2012, 03:32:16 PM
Quote from: Foggle on May 21, 2012, 03:29:57 PM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on May 21, 2012, 03:27:47 PM
People like Deadman and Casshern?
Sadly, yes. Casshern is more mediocre than outright bad, though. But honestly, I'd rather watch P&S over those two and Bleach... :whuh:
Well, they're the most "Toonami-ish" anime to have been made in a long time, so I suppose they either had to get that or scrounge through a pool of slice-of-life shows. Or could've gotten Steins;Gate, but meh.
I would've preferred Darker Than Black, myself.
I liked Casshern. But its the kind of show that would put people to sleep at that time of the night. Not a good decision Toonami.
Never actually watched Deadman Wonderland but I always wanted to. I don't have cable but I'll be checking out how people react to these shows.
Now then, where can I start a rally to get Strike Witches on Toonami?
No Megas XLR. :( (https://twitter.com/#!/Clarknova1/status/204688202475388929)
Quote from: Rosalinas Spare Wand on May 21, 2012, 04:41:56 PM
I liked Casshern. But its the kind of show that would put people to sleep at that time of the night. Not a good decision Toonami.
Casshern was probably one of the few shows they could afford with such a tight budget. I'm honestly suprised they didn't get Inuyasha: The Final Act, if only to complete that damn series.
Hopefully by the time these shows finish their runs, they'd have earned enough money to afford more meatier programs.
Megas XLR actually would have been a good show to put on. It might have even given the show a second wind in popularity. Also, like Rynnec mentioned, Inuyasha Final Act would have been a no-brainer considering how much they aired it way back when.
Honestly, that would have been a decent first hour for the block. A bit of old and new to get people settled in.
Megas would cost them nothing and give them some much-needed variety to the block. Same with Samurai Jack.
Doesn't CN still own the rights to Megas? I mean, they made it (Cartoon Network Studios), after all.
Another missed opportunity to bring it back. What do they have against this show, exactly?
I think they just want to keep this run of Toonami in the ASA tradition of anime only programming.
Which, as you can tell, I'm not crazy on. Yes, Toonami is remembered by many for being where a vast majority of anime fans discovered the joys of Japanese animation and should be celebrated as such, but the block was the home of the best action cartoons on TV, not just the best anime, which is what nostalgics only seem to remember nowadays. And that's annoying me.
Curiously, it seems that they won't be able to play IGPX either. Apparently they don't completely own it. Jason has also stated that their are "other issues" (https://twitter.com/#!/Clarknova1/status/204686352594378754) that prevent Samurai Jack from being on the block, so I'm assuming those same "issues" must also plague Megas as well. For all we know, DeMarco and co probably
want to air these shows, but they just can't for whatever reason.
Quote from: Brak's Dad on May 21, 2012, 05:11:18 PM
I think they just want to keep this run of Toonami in the ASA tradition of anime only programming.
Which, as you can tell, I'm not crazy on. Yes, Toonami is remembered by many for being where a vast majority of anime fans discovered the joys of Japanese animation and should be celebrated as such, but the block was the home of the best action cartoons on TV, not just the best anime, which is what nostalgics only seem to remember nowadays. And that's annoying me.
You're not the only one. (https://twitter.com/#!/Clarknova1/status/204670562319073280)
For a second I was about to recommend KOTH (before I remembered that this was about toonami and not old AS), then the idea of a Toonami style opener for KOTH popped into my head and now I want to see someone make that. :humhumhum:
Anyway, someone needs to make Samurai Pizza Cats happen.
I think another thing might be that CN isn't crazy about their originals, whether they're older or not, airing on [as], which would make sense in a weird sort of way.
I agree. I think that while something like Powerpuff Girls wouldn't fit back in the day, I doubt anyone would bat an eye if it was on there now.
As for anime, it would have been awesome if they could have gotten the rights to re-air YYH and replaced Bleach with that. I haven't seen Deadman or Casshern, but it doesn't sound like either of them would appeal to me. I may watch them anyways just to support Toonami in the hopes that they may be able to get better shows to air if they do get enough support.
I really wish that they could have gotten some of the older DCAU shows to air on their line-up, though, like Batman Beyond and Justice League (I'd say BTAS, but I already own the entire series on DVD, so that's kind of pointless for me). It'd also be nice if they could air Dragon Ball, but I'm guessing that Nicktoons must have gotten the rights to all of the DB-related series along with DBZK.
Quote from: Brak's Dad on May 21, 2012, 05:19:42 PM
I think another thing might be that CN isn't crazy about their originals, whether they're older or not, airing on [as], which would make sense in a weird sort of way.
I guess CN doesn't want their kid-friendly brands to be associated with [as], especially the popular ones like SJ or PPG, regardless of how they feel about them. Still doesn't excuse the less popular among kids fare like Megas not being on Toonami though.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on May 21, 2012, 05:34:09 PM
It'd also be nice if they could air Dragon Ball, but I'm guessing that Nicktoons must have gotten the rights to all of the DB-related series along with DBZK.
I highly doubt Nicktoons has any plans to ever air the original Dragon Ball. The tone has been set with DBZK and GT; they're clearly focused on the more action-heavy side of the franchise.
Even though I have the DVD's, I'd love to see Dragon Ball on Toonami as well. It'd be nice as a nostalgia pick, and I don't think they'd have to worry about "brand confusion" and what all, since the original series differs quite a bit from Z/Kai/GT. Doubt it ever happens, though.
I just think that showing old shows instead of new would be a step backwards in terms of trying to get Toonami off the ground as something other than a nostalgia piece. But then, these shows aren't what I would've picked for the latter.
Well, unfortunately there aren't a lot of new shows for them to pick from. Young Justice and Green Lantern: TAS are already part of DC nation. All of the Marvel superhero shows (and Marvel itself, for that matter) belong to Disney, and thus air on the Disney Channel. Really, there aren't too many good modern action cartoons that I can think of that would be open for CN to nab the rights to and put on Toonami, which is to say that there are NONE that I can think of that meet all of those specifications. Besides, people want Toonami back mostly BECAUSE of the nostalgia-factor more than anything else. They might as well give the people what they want, and in general it'd just be a great way for them to have a way of airing older, but great, cartoons on TV.
Oh, BTW, Rurouni Kenshin would be another good candidate for them to get the rights to re-air if that's possible. As long as it only goes up to the end of the Kyoto arc, I still think the show has aged well and it would prove that there were shows aired on Toonami that can stand the test of time rather than just being products of pure nostalgia.
From what I can tell, Nick has broadcasting rights to the enitre Dragonball franchise, hence why they were able to air the movies. So it looks like we'll have to settle for DVD's to get our Dragonball fix, unfortunately. Then again, Nick has owned the Power Rangers license for a couple of years, and only recently have they began to air past PR shows, so who knows?
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on May 21, 2012, 05:34:09 PM
As for anime, it would have been awesome if they could have gotten the rights to re-air YYH and replaced Bleach with that. I haven't seen Deadman or Casshern, but it doesn't sound like either of them would appeal to me. I may watch them anyways just to support Toonami in the hopes that they may be able to get better shows to air if they do get enough support.
I really wish that they could have gotten some of the older DCAU shows to air on their line-up, though, like Batman Beyond and Justice League (I'd say BTAS, but I already own the entire series on DVD, so that's kind of pointless for me). It'd also be nice if they could air Dragon Ball, but I'm guessing that Nicktoons must have gotten the rights to all of the DB-related series along with DBZK.
Eh, they wouldn't replace the still-premiering Bleach with an old show like YYH, espeically since Bleach gets the highest ratings out of any current anime, but it would be awesome if they aired back-to-back.
Call me crazy, but I think Brave and the Bold would be a good fit, if only because the show's basically a call back to the Silver/Bronze-age (correct me if I'm wrong on the exact era) era, whose cartoons like Superfriends and the like were some of the first to air on Toonami.
Yeah, I forgot about that, but The Brave and the Bold would indeed be a great show for Toonami to air.
There's also season 2 of Star Wars The Clone Wars. I know it's certainly far from the best western action show on CN right now, but the first season has aired on [as] before, and the marathon from a few months back got excellent ratings, so it'd be a natural pick, especially with how dark it can get.
Quote from: Rynnec on May 21, 2012, 05:50:06 PM
From what I can tell, Nick has broadcasting rights to the enitre Dragonball franchise, hence why they were able to air the movies. So it looks like we'll have to settle for DVD's to get our Dragonball fix, unfortunately. Then again, Nick has owned the Power Rangers license for a couple of years, and only recently have they began to air past PR shows, so who knows?
Huh, so they just bought
everything Dragon Ball related, and called it a day?
I guess CN really is on the outside looking in when it comes to this then. I figured each respective series was its own seperate entity as far as rights are concerned, but apparently not.
The Brave & The Bold would be a nice fit. That line up is missing any sense of whimsy or fun to it.
Yeah, I have to third (or fourth?) that notion. It'd be a great opportunity to rerun the series again.
If we're talking about CN having a problem with their stuff airing on AS, though, wouldn't Brave and the Bold fall under the same set of circumstances? I really can't imagine why they'd care, but that sucks if this is indeed the case.
That's my biggest problem with this schedule as well. From what little I know of Casshern Sins, I do know that it's incredibly bleak and depressing, airing something mindless, fun, and adventrous like B&TB or Outlaw Star afterwords to ease up viewers would've been much welcomed.
Quote from: Kiddington on May 21, 2012, 06:04:57 PM
Yeah, I have to third (or fourth?) that notion. It'd be a great opportunity to rerun the series again.
If we're talking about CN having a problem with their stuff airing on AS, though, wouldn't Brave and the Bold fall under the same set of circumstances? I really can't imagine why they'd care, but that sucks if this is indeed the case.
yeah, that's probably the biggest strike against Brave and the Bold airing on [as]. It's a shame too, since CN doesn't rerun it at all.
Don't want to sound contrarian, but I think Brave & the Bold is maybe too goofy for late night. The tone between the other shows would clash too much. Then again, there have been weirder Toonami lineups.
I just don't understand how CN could possibly have a problem with this (their stuff airing on AS). I mean, it's not like they're actually doing anything with these aforementioned series.
Maybe I could sympathize if they were actually airing these shows themselves, but they're not, and haven't for quite a long time. PPG had a very, very brief return stint late in 2010; hasn't been seen since. Samurai Jack has been toiling away on Boomerang for years; outside of the vocal minority on toonzone, nobody cares about Boomerang. Brave and the Bold has always gotten the short of the end of the stick; I can't remember the last time it had an actual designated rerun slot (2008? 2009?). And Megas hasn't been seen on any television network of any degree for at least
seven years.
If this continues to be the case, nothing but missed opportunities all around.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on May 21, 2012, 06:18:52 PM
Then again, there have been weirder Toonami lineups.
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Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on May 21, 2012, 06:18:52 PM
Don't want to sound contrarian, but I think Brave & the Bold is maybe too goofy for late night. The tone between the other shows would clash too much. Then again, there have been weirder Toonami lineups.
It is- for this particular line up. But Toonami was all about variety at its peak, too. This line up is way too dry and uptight for my tastes.
Toonami had goofy stuff like Bo7, Dragonball, Duel Masters, and sometimes shows that skewed a bit younger. They need a bit more variety in tone than dark, dark, serious, and grimdark.
If it was me making the schedule with limited resources I would have tried for something like:
12:00 Megas XLR
12:30 Inuyasha Final Act
1:00 Bleach
1:30 Deadman Wonderland
2:00 Casshern Sins
2:30 Cowboy Bebop
Maybe not 1:1 to what they would do, but it ramps up a bit more in tone and content.
At the very least, they should have Durarara!! instead of GitS in that slot.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 21, 2012, 06:28:51 PM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on May 21, 2012, 06:18:52 PM
Don't want to sound contrarian, but I think Brave & the Bold is maybe too goofy for late night. The tone between the other shows would clash too much. Then again, there have been weirder Toonami lineups.
It is- for this particular line up. But Toonami was all about variety at its peak, too. This line up is way too dry and uptight for my tastes.
Toonami had goofy stuff like Bo7, Dragonball, Duel Masters, and sometimes shows that skewed a bit younger. They need a bit more variety in tone than dark, dark, serious, and grimdark.
If it was me making the schedule with limited resources I would have tried for something like:
12:00 Megas XLR
12:30 Inuyasha Final Act
1:00 Bleach
1:30 Deadman Wonderland
2:00 Casshern Sins
2:30 Cowboy Bebop
Maybe not 1:1 to what they would do, but it ramps up a bit more in tone and content.
That's a pretty good schedule right there. Just move Bleach to the premiere slot, have Casshern premiere at 1:00, and put Megas before Bebop, and it'd be perfect.
Adult Swim must've lost interest in Inuyasha or something, that's the only reason I could think why they wouldn't pick up Final Act.
Quote from: Rynnec on May 21, 2012, 06:38:01 PM
At the very least, they should have Durarara!! instead of GitS in that slot.
Speaking of which, is that just completely gone from the schedule now? I was a bit surprised not to see it there.
I guess so. AS must not care enough to finish its second run before its rights expire or something. Shame too, since that show would have felt right at home on Toonami.
I'm not the biggest Inuyasha fan, but it seems really strange that they didn't pick it up when they aired the original and hyped it so much. I honestly think it would get a lot of interest for older nostalgic fans as well as those who have long since abandoned the AS scene waiting for something to lure them back. A new show based on a hit franchise is usually a no-brainer.
Of course I would also put TB&TB and PPG/Samurai Jack in the 11:00 slot, but that's never going to happen in a million years.
As much as I love PPG, I don't want it back on Toonami at all. Even when the block was all about variety, it didn't sit well with the rest of the lineup, and it'd seem even more out of place now.
I guess I can understand that. PPG always felt like a placeholder when it was on the old Midnight Run, it was basically filler for that timeslot until Ronin Warriors came along.
As far as CN originals on [as] Toonami goes, how would you guys feel about Sym-bionic Titan airing there? I've seen that one suggested a lot at the ASMB, and I think it would be a good fit considering how older it skewed.
I was just thinking of something lighthearted and action-y. Pick whatever show you want, but the block is going to need something like that to succeed.
Indeed. I think we can all agree that Toonami's worst years are when the block was stagnant with pretty much only one type of program (most of 2002, and 2007 to its first cancellation).
True enough, but I'd still rather not have PPG or Hamtaro back on.
If you need something in that vein, I'd also jump on the bandwagon for TB&TB.
Sym-Bionic Titan was basically already a Toonami show. But as much as I would love to see it there, I'd say it has even less of a chance than the old Toonami shows just because of all the bad blood around it.
TB&TB would be a good bridge for the block.
Truthfully, my favorite era of Toonami was the Yu Yu Hakusho/Justice League/Megas/Duel Masters one. I don't remember all the shows in the line up, but I think it was the best one in pure content and variety. When they lost that variety, they lost the plot, IMO.
This Toonami lineup (which ran on Saturday nights in the early 00s) schedule/lineup shall rule eternally:
8:00PM - Teen Titans
8:30PM - Justice League Unlimited
9:00PM - Megas XLR
9:30PM - Yu-Yu Hakusho
That was 2 straight hours of first run goodness. One of the best Toonami schedules of all time.
While I agree that Batman: The Brave and the Bold would be a good "light" action series to begin the lineup, I doubt that Cartoon Network would want to associate any of the DC properties with the Adult Swim block. Same for Teen Titans or Justice League/Unlimited. I'm guessing that's also why Megas XLR won't be part of the block, which is too bad, since CN has yet to bring Megas to Boomerang or even release the series on DVD (although both seasons of Megas are on iTunes). It's also very unlikely that The Powerpuff Girls would run on the AS Toonami block, as PPG is generally considered to be a Cartoon Network show and it didn't really fit in with Toonami even back when it was part of the Midnight Run. Anyways, PPG is still running on Boomerang and is one of the shows featured on CN's latest incarnation of Cartoon Planet.
I'd think that DC would be better with some of their shows being on [as], since they're more respectful towards their adult following than CN is with their shows as a whole. But they might not want Brave & the Bold on, since it isn't that old, so it might confuse audiences. That might make the DCAU shows better game for the block instead.
Anyone know the status of the 2003 Astro Boy? That'd fit on [as] Toonami since Mike Lazzo is a big Astro Boy fan and all.
Anyone watching now?
I am.
Deadman Wonderland just started.
Yeah, it's on mute in the background.
Yeah, I forgot and I'm watching Fresh Prince instead lol
How are the bumpers?
Pretty good so far. Some are just old bumpers upscaled, but we got a few new ones, and a game review to boot (I Am Alive for the 360). TOM and the Absolution look glorious.
Since Twitter suspended my account for no reason whatsoever, I may as well post my initial reactions to the new shows here:
Deadman Wonderland: Eh, the show suffered from "Make everyone else assholes to the main character because they're dumbasses that can't think logically" syndrome, but it did manage to hook me. I'll be tuning in to this one to see where it goes, and it's only 12 episodes long.
Casshern Sins: Suprisingly enough, I didn't feel the slightest bit tired during this. Liked it better than Deadman, and I like the pseudo-retro character designs and animation.
Of the two shows, I think DW will be the more popular one, though Casshern's appearance in Tatsunoko vs Capcom will help its chances on the block.
I mentioned that I wasn't bored during Casshern Sins as well and I ended up getting a few replies from a few people I talked to. Tsukento told me that it does get slow later on, but justified it as them developing the characters by showing off Casshern and how other cope in this world. Raidon Mokoto told me that he felt the same way, & Manga4Life told me he was happy that I enjoyed it.
I actually thought both new shows were pretty decent, while giving the edge to Deadman Wonderland. Judging by the initial reaction people had to this schedule, I was definitely expecting much worse.
Rest of the block was exactly what I expected; Bleach is garbage, FMA Brotherhood is watchable, Ghost in the Shell is decent, and Bebop is still as cool as ever. Promos were good, bumps were good, TOM is back and still awesome (but that goes without saying)... not a bad night at all (except Bleach; OH MY GOD THAT SHOW IS TERRIBLE).
Wishful thinking here, but it'd be so great if Toonami could just occupy the entire Saturday night lineup, instead of having to share the first few hours with more awful post-cancellation Family Guy reruns. It'd be perfect; they'd have enough time to give everybody what they wanted, from the nostalgia buffs to the folks looking for new stuff. I know it'll never happen, comedy always rules the roost on AS (and the shoestring budget probably prevents them from even acquiring anything more at this point anyway), but a man can always dream...
...but yeah though, for Toonami's first kick at the can in four or so years, I thought things went well tonight. Hopefully now the ratings are good and they can keep this going. I'd love to see them be able to build off this, and really make it the mainstay that it used to be (or as close as they can get, anyway).
Just so you know, Deadman starts strong and becomes shitty while Casshern starts strong and becomes sleep-inducing. IMO.
I didn't watch Casshern, but I caught most of Deadman, and I didn't even realy find it that strong. I didn't find it bad, either, just pretty "meh," which is at least better than what I was expecting.
For reasons beyond my knowledge, Deadman and GITS were recorded and are on my DVR. I'll have to watch them later and see how TOM holds up.
Am I the only one that thinks the first episode of Deadman wasn't even that violent? Yeah, the opening scene was pretty gory, but I've seen worse.
If it's anything like the manga, it will get a lot gorier. It doesn't ever really get interesting, though. It's pretty lame as a whole.
Quote from: Foggle on May 27, 2012, 10:02:42 AM
Just so you know, Deadman starts strong and becomes shitty while Casshern starts strong and becomes sleep-inducing. IMO.
I actually read the Deadman manga when bored. I don't know if the anime keeps it, but there is one disturbing scene near the end involving a flashback between the villain, his computer, and his mother that always made me wretch. The story might deal too heavily on "make everyone selfish and greedy cuz" syndrome, but I thought that scene was actually pretty effective.
No idea if it's in the anime, though.
I don't think the anime gets that far into the story. But I stopped watching around episode 9, so I can't say.
I think my problem with these so-called "dark" and somewhat noir-esque anime shows is that they seem to forget to actually have interesting characters. They seem so wrapped up in identifying their style that they almost completely forget about the substance of the writing, to the point where the series eventually ends up unintentionally becoming a parody of itself. Stuff like Future Diary, Doubt, and other series of the same nature fall prey to this syndrome. There is a point in Death Note where it gets really borderline into this territory, and arguable crosses it, but I still feel like the authors made a save for that series with the ending, which is still awesome.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on May 27, 2012, 10:05:16 PM
I think my problem with these so-called "dark" and somewhat noir-esque anime shows is that they seem to forget to actually have interesting characters. They seem so wrapped up in identifying their style that they almost completely forget about the substance of the writing, to the point where the series eventually ends up unintentionally becoming a parody of itself. Stuff like Future Diary, Doubt, and other series of the same nature fall prey to this syndrome. There is a point in Death Note where it gets really borderline into this territory, and arguable crosses it, but I still feel like the authors made a save for that series with the ending, which is still awesome.
I agree. I've never really liked "dark" material that goes too far in the gritty direction because they tend to make the characters jerks that you couldn't give a flip about. People badmouth cheese for being too unrealistic at times, but I think this stuff is far more unrealistic and just plain isn't even interesting to watch.
Or worse, when they try to make the plot "turn" dark, which almost always ends up being ridiculously corny and even more unbelievable than a simple straight ending would be. Like you mentioned Doubt. That ending is probably one of the worst, and yet almost every modern horror film ends exactly the same way. Which pretty much proves how terrible horror movies are nowadays.
Future Diary is incredibly cheesy, but on purpose (I think). It gets really awful near the end, and the protagonist(s) are obnoxious as hell, but for the most part it plays out like a spot-on parody of other "dark" anime. Which may or may not be intentional.
With Doubt it really sucks since I actually genuinely liked the first three-quarters of the story. Then it just got stupid with needless plot twists that were just downright stupid, and characters acting unreasonably unlikable. The ending just killed it for me, though.
I don't mind a series being "dark" if the writer can handle the subject material really well. Unfortunately Naoki Urasawa is the only mangaka who I have seen to pull that off flawlessly. Togashi can do it well with HXH when he's trying, but there are too many times when even he falls to the traps of making a series too dark at the expense of being ridiculous.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on May 27, 2012, 10:18:14 PM
The ending just killed it for me, though.
How does it end? Don't care about spoilers.
I'd even argue that Naoki Urasawa works well with dark material because it's never hopeless. That's the only way dark material works is when there's light to balance it out.
Quote from: Foggle on May 27, 2012, 10:19:41 PM
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on May 27, 2012, 10:18:14 PM
The ending just killed it for me, though.
How does it end? Don't care about spoilers.
Everybody dies and the villain gets away because the bad guy is apparently smarter than the entire world.
Quote from: Foggle on May 27, 2012, 10:19:41 PM
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on May 27, 2012, 10:18:14 PM
The ending just killed it for me, though.
How does it end? Don't care about spoilers.
**Spoilers**....For anyone else who cares....
I haven't read the manga in years, but basically the main character's girlfriend (or sort of) thought he was with another girl when he was really working with her to buy a gift for his girlfriend. She went all psycho and ended up killing that girl and then revealed that she killed everyone else in the group to the main character. Then they knock her out or something and get her to a hospital, but then that one psychic girl who appeared to be dead at the beginning of the story turns out to be alive, and uses her powers to get the detective killed. Then she reveals that she had some code word to get the main character's girlfriend to go all psycho again which he unintentionally says for some reason. It turns out that she started these games where she gets groups of people to kill each other because she's angry at people in general for doubting her abilities as a psychic and also because her parents died in a car accident or something like that. If that description sounds confusing to you its because the ending is literally that stupid and convoluted.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 27, 2012, 10:24:47 PM
I'd even argue that Naoki Urasawa works well with dark material because it's never hopeless. That's the only way dark material works is when there's light to balance it out.
Indeed. That's something any writer should know. I'm very fond of putting dark endings in my own work, but dark and nihilistic are very different things. Even if the protagonist fails and the antagonist succeeds, there's gotta' be *something* in there that makes the story feel fulfilling.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on May 27, 2012, 10:25:21 PM
**Spoilers**....For anyone else who cares....
I haven't read the manga in years, but basically the main character's girlfriend (or sort of) thought he was with another girl when he was really working with her to buy a gift for his girlfriend. She went all psycho and ended up killing that girl and then revealed that she killed everyone else in the group to the main character. Then they knock her out or something and get her to a hospital, but then that one psychic girl who appeared to be dead at the beginning of the story turns out to be alive, and uses her powers to get the detective killed. Then she reveals that she had some code word to get the main character's girlfriend to go all psycho again which he unintentionally says for some reason. It turns out that she started these games where she gets group of people to kill each other because she's angry at people in general for doubting her abilities as a psychic and also because her parents died in a car accident or something like that. If that description sounds confusing to you its because the ending is literally that stupid and convoluted.
Wow... that's... wow. Only in a manga.
Quote from: Foggle on May 27, 2012, 10:29:24 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 27, 2012, 10:24:47 PM
I'd even argue that Naoki Urasawa works well with dark material because it's never hopeless. That's the only way dark material works is when there's light to balance it out.
Indeed. That's something any writer should know. I'm very fond of putting dark endings in my own work, but dark and nihilistic are very different things. Even if the protagonist fails and the antagonist succeeds, there's gotta' be *something* in there that makes the story feel fulfilling.
Yes, I think it's important for a story to give the audience something in an emotional way. They connect with the characters, get absorbed in the story, and feel the themes, so to put in an ending like this:
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on May 27, 2012, 10:25:21 PM
**Spoilers**....For anyone else who cares....
I haven't read the manga in years, but basically the main character's girlfriend (or sort of) thought he was with another girl when he was really working with her to buy a gift for his girlfriend. She went all psycho and ended up killing that girl and then revealed that she killed everyone else in the group to the main character. Then they knock her out or something and get her to a hospital, but then that one psychic girl who appeared to be dead at the beginning of the story turns out to be alive, and uses her powers to get the detective killed. Then she reveals that she had some code word to get the main character's girlfriend to go all psycho again which he unintentionally says for some reason. It turns out that she started these games where she gets group of people to kill each other because she's angry at people in general for doubting her abilities as a psychic and also because her parents died in a car accident or something like that. If that description sounds confusing to you its because the ending is literally that stupid and convoluted.
Is the equivalent of masturbation for the author. You tricked the audience into caring about your story in order to fellate your own ego instead of giving the audience something worth their time.
That's why stories written with agendas in mind are never as strong as those with a soul in it.
To bring it on topic, it's why I won't be watching this Toonami line up. I find this type of material insulting as a storyteller.
I missed it all and partied all last night. But DW looks like it has a hot white-haired anime chick, so maybe I'll catch it next week. :blush:
I am glad Toonami is back, I really am, but damn, nothing on there looks like it can grab me anymore. I've been struggling to complete my anime library of titles I like these past few years, let alone trying to get into any more. Maybe I'm just growing out of anime. But I will try to catch these next week and see if anything clicks.
FUCK, I MISSED CASSHERN SINS?! FUCK!!!
I had to see that I missed Toonami coming back for real this time from some title of a video on youtube.
And lol @ them basically saying they have a shoestring budget. Damn, I wish I still had CN.
Quote from: Rynnec on May 21, 2012, 05:55:26 PM
There's also season 2 of Star Wars The Clone Wars. I know it's certainly far from the best western action show on CN right now, but the first season has aired on [as] before, and the marathon from a few months back got excellent ratings, so it'd be a natural pick, especially with how dark it can get.
Dammit, I missed them bringing back The Clone Wars? The first season is the best part. For Han and Anakin, everything goes downhill after Anakin blows away that bald alien. The alien tribe scenes are so fucking boring. They should just focus on reairing both for completion.
Quote from: Rynnec on May 21, 2012, 09:01:44 PM
I guess I can understand that. PPG always felt like a placeholder when it was on the old Midnight Run, it was basically filler for that timeslot until Ronin Warriors came along.
As far as CN originals on [as] Toonami goes, how would you guys feel about Sym-bionic Titan airing there? I've seen that one suggested a lot at the ASMB, and I think it would be a good fit considering how older it skewed.
:swoon:
Are you talking about Tartakovsky's Clone Wars? Cause Rynnec meant the CGI one.
Quote from: Rynnec on May 22, 2012, 02:48:38 PM
Anyone know the status of the 2003 Astro Boy? That'd fit on [as] Toonami since Mike Lazzo is a big Astro Boy fan and all.
Speaking of 2000-something versions of shows, I want to see the new(er) He-Man on the block. I don't give a fuck what the old school fanboys say, that show was great. I know EK is with me on this one.
I've seen a fair portion of the 80's cartoon. I never grew up with that, so I can safely say that anyone who thinks highly of that show really values it purely out of nostalgia, because its a pretty lame cartoon when you get down to it, which can occasionally be unintentionally hilarious.
I did like the 2000's show when it originally aired, but admittedly I haven't seen it since it stopped airing on Toonami so I can't accurately judge it now. But, honestly, I found it pretty entertaining. The characters actually seemed competent and the writing and voice-acting wasn't god-awfully bad like with the 80's cartoon. It was still unintentionally hilarious at times, though, because lets just face it....He-Man is a downright ridiculous-looking character.
Let's be honest, this is the best thing regarding He-Man ever. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8Nc8RCLy1s)
Edit: goddammit, I suck at posting links on here.
I was skimming through my recording of Deadman, since after reading about it here, it doesn't seem like a show I'd like to watch at all, and then I found that for some reason, the recording lasted for an hour, so I also got Casshern.
I'm watching it now and I'm liking it enough, but the dub is pretty lame. And I HATE the little girl. I mean like, no one that young acts like this.
12:00 Cowboy Bebop
12:30 Trigun
1:00 Yu yu Hakusho
1:30 Reboot
2:00 Megas XLR
2:30 Sym-Bionic Titan
That wouldd be the block I choose. So many other shows I wanted to pick. The whole point was to make it half cartoon, half anime with Bebop being the opener to grab everyone's attention. Reboot being the first cartoon because people would likely want to see it the most out of the choices because "Oh shit, it's Reboot!" Funny enough, out of all the shows, Reboot is the one I wouldn't dare change with other shows I want to see because...Oh shit, it's Reboot! Need to see all those damn episodes I missed including many in the first season. CG dreads FTW. The alternates would be Samurai Champloo (just switched it on the lineup for YYH due to thinking a good battle shonen like that could use the spot.) S-CRY-Ed, Big O, either Fullmetal series sincethey are the best anime ever, new(er) He-Man, the war and the games Zoids, Rurouni Kenshin, Outlaw Star, Speed Racer (doubt they have the rights anymore)and uncut Gatchman (is the guy that created Speed Racer and Gathaman also the creator of Casshern? I forget)
EDIT: Fuck! Forgot to mention Case Closed and Lupin. When they had their one hour block at the end of Adult Swims and I believe Fullmetal Alchemist and Big O, it was my favorite AS ever. I wish they would make Toonami be for the whole night and have it on Friday, Saturday and maybe Sunday night with whatever new shows they have show a new episode each night.
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/05/30/ratings-notes-for-adult-swim-tbs-cartoon-network-tnt-trutv-nba-playoffs-conan-men-at-work-eagleheart-south-beach-tow-hardcore-pawn-more/136217/ (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/05/30/ratings-notes-for-adult-swim-tbs-cartoon-network-tnt-trutv-nba-playoffs-conan-men-at-work-eagleheart-south-beach-tow-hardcore-pawn-more/136217/)
Toonami seems to be off on a good start.
Oh, funny thing, while going to one of the thrift stores yesterday, I found a shitload of old Sailor Moon VHS tapes. I wanted to buy a couple of them for nostalgia's sake, but I didn't feel like spending 50 cents per tape for the crappy Dic dub, even though there were some of the later series on cassette there alongside the original series.
I remember having a copy of the first 4 episodes on VHS, with a white cassette. I don't have that anymore, but it sure brings me back.
Someone tell Manga4Life to stop retweeting Soundmonky's brain droppings.
That's exactly how I feel whenever someone retweets Paschal and his weeaboo noise.
"We won't be intimidated by criminal threats!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qyi0boA2Onk)
Ah, that takes me back. Feels totally vintage.
Quote from: Rynnec on June 03, 2012, 02:18:01 PM
"We won't be intimidated by criminal threats!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qyi0boA2Onk)
WHY does this have so many dislikes?
Perfect ad. Really takes me back.
Have you guys taken this survey yet? (http://www.surveymonkey.com/Home_Landing.aspx?sm=DdA2zBTY%2b4NYVHVDnoK4UA2jxkPwQm9ujxStuKK5WqQ%3d)
DeMarco has actually retweeted it, which proves that they're listening.
Results of said survey. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4uNonDUMmbM)
God dammit, if Panty & Stocking ends up airing on Toonami beccause of this...
"Cowboy Bepop"
Really, AS? REALLY?
Quote from: Rynnec on June 15, 2012, 04:06:04 PM
Results of said survey. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4uNonDUMmbM)
God dammit, if Panty & Stocking ends up airing on Toonami beccause of this...
Well apparently Deadman Wonderland is their biggest hit so far so its only a slight step up from there.
Quote from: Rynnec on June 15, 2012, 04:47:24 PM
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Quote from: Foggle on June 15, 2012, 05:08:11 PM
Quote from: Rynnec on June 15, 2012, 04:47:24 PM
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Oh. :sweat:
Why the fuck did some one in the comments say they wanted Phineas and Ferb on Toonami? Fucking dumbasses.
Quote from: Comeau on June 15, 2012, 05:20:31 PM
Why the fuck did some one in the comments say they wanted Phineas and Ferb on Toonami? Fucking dumbasses.
I think they were trolling.
But if this guy added in troll stuff, then why didn't they add in my comments?
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 15, 2012, 05:33:39 PM
Quote from: Comeau on June 15, 2012, 05:20:31 PM
Why the fuck did some one in the comments say they wanted Phineas and Ferb on Toonami? Fucking dumbasses.
I think they were trolling.
But if this guy added in troll stuff, then why didn't they add in my comments?
They didn't seem to add my comment either. What did you put in your comments?
I jusat said that I wanted "YYH, other Gundam shows and the DCAU" in the older shows page, and that I want "none of these" in the other series page.
Why the hell are they using a survey when they can get the exact results from ratings? They should be doing a "What do you want to see?" poll instead.
Quote from: gunswordfist on June 15, 2012, 06:24:49 PM
Why the hell are they using a survey when they can get the exact results from ratings? They should be doing a "What do you want to see?" poll instead.
Well, this survey is sort of like that.
For the record, I kept my picks realistic. Stuff like Last Exile and FMP that AS could get from Funi for a bargain.
It would be great if Toonami/AS could get the rights to air FMP. Also, as far as shonen series, if FUNimation ever gets the license to the HXH reboot then Toonami would be the perfect place to air that. In fact I'm surprised that FUNi hasn't already licensed that series, but then again maybe their funds are running low because they were too focused on spending them on useless fanservice anime that nobody is interested in. Its a shame for a company like FUNi to have done something like that when they had such a talented pool of VAs at their disposal (being that they have virtually no competition among North American and Canadian anime distributors anymore).
Anyways, as for Toonami, it'd be nice if they could get One Piece as well. I've all but been warn out on that series, myself, but it still deserves to have its syndicated broadcast, so it'd be great if they could pick that up, especially since its the best way to give that series some more exposure.
There are also a number of good shorter anime series under FUNi's license that they would be willing to let Toonami air for Bargain prices, especially since it would be like advertisements that FUNi actually actively gets paid for.
As for old shows, basically Yu Yu Hakusho would be ideal, and once again FUNi would be willing to let Toonami air it for cheap, I'm sure.
Now, if Toonami can get any of the classic DCAU shows on their, that'd be the most ideal thing I can think of. They have nothing but anime so far, and throwing in some classic american cartoons into the mix would be a huge step closer to giving the block some more diversity and also making it feel a lot more like old-school Toonami, and isn't it the nostalgia factor that have people interested in this current Toonami, anyways?
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on June 19, 2012, 10:44:18 PM
It would be great if Toonami/AS could get the rights to air FMP. Also, as far as shonen series, if FUNimation ever gets the license to the HXH reboot then Toonami would be the perfect place to air that. In fact I'm surprised that FUNi hasn't already licensed that series, but then again maybe their funds are running low because they were too focused on spending them on useless fanservice anime that nobody is interested in. Its a shame for a company like FUNi to have done something like that when they had such a talented pool of VAs at their disposal (being that they have virtually no competition among North American and Canadian anime distributors anymore).
Actually, stuff like Sekirei actually seems to sell pretty decently, for god knows what reason. You can get Sekirei's content for free on the internet.
QuoteAnyways, as for Toonami, it'd be nice if they could get One Piece as well. I've all but been warn out on that series, myself, but it still deserves to have its syndicated broadcast, so it'd be great if they could pick that up, especially since its the best way to give that series some more exposure.
Eh, I think Toonami should only get 200+ episode anime like One Piece only if they expand to weeknights. Stuff with a little over 100 episodes like YYH and D Grayman are okay though.
QuoteThere are also a number of good shorter anime series under FUNi's license that they would be willing to let Toonami air for Bargain prices, especially since it would be like advertisements that FUNi actually actively gets paid for.
Completely agree on this, they have:
Darker Than Black
Devil May Cry
Noir
Soul Eater (okay, that one is 50 episodes, but still)
Murder Princess
the second Negima anime
Sgt. Frog
And probably a whole lot of other stuff I'm missing. All of them great shows, and all of them deserve to air on Toonami at some point
, especially over Panty and Stocking.
QuoteAs for old shows, basically Yu Yu Hakusho would be ideal, and once again FUNi would be willing to let Toonami air it for cheap, I'm sure.
Samurai Champloo and Trigun would be ideal too (granted, SC never aired on Toonami, but it would make a good compliment/replacement for Bebop).
QuoteNow, if Toonami can get any of the classic DCAU shows on their, that'd be the most ideal thing I can think of. They have nothing but anime so far, and throwing in some classic american cartoons into the mix would be a huge step closer to giving the block some more diversity and also making it feel a lot more like old-school Toonami, and isn't it the nostalgia factor that have people interested in this current Toonami, anyways?
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Eh, I wouldn't want any of the DCAU show's to air on Toonami over new content. Their all good show's, but I'd rather Toonami air the new DTV movies, or the Spawn cartoon, they can even air encores of Black Dynamite. I wouldn't mind them airing Mask of the Phantasm though, simply because that movie is a classic, it could air on AS without anyone batting an eyelid.
So, according to the backdoor schedule (http://www.adultswim.com/schedule/onair.html), Deadman Wonderland will be replaced by Samurai Seven starting on the 18th. Oh, and GitS will start over from season 1.
Any thoughts (on both the schedule, and the new anime airing)?
Samurai 7 has interested me a little, since I love Kurosawa and I hear some decently positive things about it. I might check it out.
I haven't really watched Toonami though. I watched the first few eps of Casshern, but I forgot to record one episode and gave up after that. The rest doesn't really interest me at all.
The anime is pretty average as a whole. But it seems like a step up to me.
Samurai 7 has everything wrong with a Studio Gonzo show.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on July 31, 2012, 07:49:00 PM
Samurai 7 has everything wrong with a Studio Gonzo show.
Strangely out of place pantsu?
Quote from: Foggle on July 31, 2012, 07:50:23 PM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on July 31, 2012, 07:49:00 PM
Samurai 7 has everything wrong with a Studio Gonzo show.
Strangely out of place pantsu?
I think he means it's style over substance, and the substance that's there is too obscure and weird and never elaborated on. Which is pretty accurate.
And considering it's based on a Kurosawa film, that's a cardinal sin.
I think that Full Metal Panic! and Welcome to the NHK are probably the only 2 Gonzo-made anime that I've seen that are exceptions to that rule, and even then FMP is really only an OK adaptation of OK source material (which is to say that the first 3 light novels were just OK, as it was right before the series really picked up). I haven't read the NHK manga, so I can't comment on whether Gonzo did a good job with their anime adaptation, but I will say that I have genuinely liked what I've seen of the anime.
NHK anime is excellent. Need to read the novel someday...
I think they did a good job with NHK. The manga, IMO, gets way too dark and heavy-handed and even a bit unintentionally cartoon-ish when it doesn't want to be. The anime still kept the core of the story, but made it less unsettling like the manga was to read. I would say it was the superior version.
Other than Chrono Crusade, Burst Angel, and the second Last Exile anime, I can't really say I'm too familiar with Gonzo's works. I liked Chrono Crusade for the most part, some of Gonzo's changes felt rather heavy-handed and needlessly dark. What I've seen of Burst Angel is pretty much style over substance, and what I've seen of Fam the Silver Wing was pretty good.
I loved Gankutsuou. NHK was pretty good too. Everything else, yeah.
I know Gonzo did Gantz. Never read the manga for it and from what I saw of the anime, this probably won't ever air on Adult Swim.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on July 31, 2012, 11:03:22 PM
I loved Gankutsuou. NHK was pretty good too. Everything else, yeah.
Oh yeah, I forgot about Gankutsuou. Make that 3 anime from Gonzo that are exceptions.
Looks like Eureka 7 will be returning to AS/Toonami the same week Samurai 7 joins.
...eh, I'd much rather they reair something like Samurai Champloo, Trigun, or even Code Geass, but I guess this is still pretty cool.
THIS SUCKSSSSSS
I thought Eureka 7 was all right. Sucks that they didn't get Steins;Gate, but what can you do?
At the very least, this proves that AS gives a damn about anime again, enough to give a previous failure another chance.
Eureka 7 bores me to tears just like all bad giant robot anime.
I mentioned one of my favorite moments in any series that I caught on Toonami for the first time in the other thread, being the debut of Future Trunks. Two more favorites are when Hiei debuted the Dragon of the Darkness Flame in the Dark Tournament and when Goku turned to Super Saiyan for the first time against Frieza. Thinking back to all of these moments ow remind me of the awesome memories I had with the block.
Do you have any similar favorite moments like this that you caught on Toonami first?
When Ryo kicked Talpa's ass in Ronin Warriors. That was the first moment I saw on Toonami.
Gohan defeating Cell was a big one for me, as was Vegeta sacrificing himself to stop Buu.
The Saints Beast arc is also a personal favorite Toonami moment. I'd seen a part of the Yusuke and Suzaku fight on Adult Swim, but Toonami was where I saw the fights in full (sans Hiei vs Seiryu). That arc was what hooked me on YYH.
Starscream's death in Transformers Armada.
Watching Endless Waltz for the first time.
Those are the moments off the top of my head.
Cell vs Gohan Kamehameha wave! Mostly because that was around the time I watched.
Goku vs Jackie Chun at the 21st Martial Arts Tournament, one of my favorite moments
Kanchome and Folgore legit beating their first Mamodo and human team in Zatch Bell. Showing us that the joke characters can take names and kick ass.
Actually getting to see past the first arc of Dragon Ball.
As you guys know, up here in Canada we actually got DB first, but it was only the Pilaf saga. Years went by and we never got more, then when DBZ came out most of us were utterly confused.
Getting to see the further adventures of kid Goku in animated form finally after so many years was an awesome treat.
Was your theme for Dragon Ball this one? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKKVeexvtV8) I actually have FUNi 1995 dub attempt of Dragon Ball on DVD, it's pretty funny to go back and watch this version of the show.
I got my cable back one time as a teenager and there was this show coming on I've never seen before. I was skeptical as hell and was like, "Meh, I doubt this could get my interest."
The show was Rurouni Kenshin. The episode is was my absolute favorite (I was about to say still is, but I remembered the Saito/Kenshin episode and backspaced). It was the one with the last Jinei vs Kenshin fight. I believe I just saw about half of the episode but anyway, I was introduced to Sano and Yahiko, got a good rundown on Kenshin's Battousai past and saw him be a total badass in one of the better fights in the show. I was a fan after that.
Quote from: Rynnec on August 29, 2012, 08:07:32 PM
Gohan defeating Cell was a big one for me, as was Vegeta sacrificing himself to stop Buu.
The Saints Beast arc is also a personal favorite Toonami moment. I'd seen a part of the Yusuke and Suzaku fight on Adult Swim, but Toonami was where I saw the fights in full (sans Hiei vs Seiryu). That arc was what hooked me on YYH.
Starscream's death in Transformers Armada.
Watching Endless Waltz for the first time.
Those are the moments off the top of my head.
I was actually thinking about Maze's Castle when I was thinking of something to write. Once I think about it, the first time I saw Kuwabara's fight with that tiger guy was with my brothers. Good times.
Quote from: Daxdiv on August 29, 2012, 09:03:13 PM
Was your theme for Dragon Ball this one? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKKVeexvtV8) I actually have FUNi 1995 dub attempt of Dragon Ball on DVD, it's pretty funny to go back and watch this version of the show.
That and Rock The Dragon were awesome and surprisingly suiting for the shows.
But yeah, I still remember the whole "Goku!" part, that used to pump me up as a little one. ;D
Quote from: Daxdiv on August 29, 2012, 08:49:39 PM
Cell vs Gohan Kamehameha wave! Mostly because that was around the time I watched.
Goku vs Jackie Chun at the 21st Martial Arts Tournament, one of my favorite moments
Kanchome and Folgore legit beating their first Mamodo and human team in Zatch Bell. Showing us that the joke characters can take names and kick ass.
That reminds me, I love Piccolo vs (what was Kami's human name...Hero?! I forget) Hearing them speak Namekian (something I've only seen in a flashback in DBZ as a kid) and the way they fought was incredible. The favorite out of any DB fight I've seen (I've barely seen any)
Quote from: Avaitor on August 29, 2012, 07:49:03 PM
I mentioned one of my favorite moments in any series that I caught on Toonami for the first time in the other thread, being the debut of Future Trunks. Two more favorites are when Hiei debuted the Dragon of the Darkness Flame in the Dark Tournament and when Goku turned to Super Saiyan for the first time against Frieza. Thinking back to all of these moments ow remind me of the awesome memories I had with the block.
Speaking of Hiei, one of my favorite moments of his on Toonami was when he displayed his super-speed by cutting off Makintaro's arm without him even realizing it until she pulled it out from behind his back. Sure, the blood was cut out, but I still remembered how shocked I was that they didn't censor the scene of Hiei just throwing the dismembered arm on the ground. Back in the day, that was the goriest that kids television could get, and it was also the most bad-ass thing that I had scene on TV at that time
Other great moments were the fight between Kenshin and Saito in Rurouni Kenshin (though that's just a great moment in general), and the entire climax of Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker, which I of course only saw for the first time on Toonami.
Also, of course I completely agree with Avaitor about Future Trunks's character introduction in DBZ. Once again, it shocked me that they actually didn't censor Frieza being cut in half, though I do believe they cut out the part where Trunks minced the rest of him into tiny little chunks of meat and then fried them with a Ki blast, but they kind of had to cut that part out. :sweat:
Oh yeah, I can't believe I forgot this:
The entire Bardock special. Thank you Toonami for airing this and hyping it up so much so that I just had to make sure that I saw it. As a kid, this was one of the most epic things ever.
Believe it or not, I didn't get to see the Trunks special on Toonami, which is why I can't really include that as one of my favorite Toonami moments. I DID however get to be lucky enough to watch the uncut DVD version with one of my friends who owned it, so that's how I experienced that special. :thumbup:
QuoteAlso, of course I completely agree with Avaitor about Future Trunks's character introduction in DBZ. Once again, it shocked me that they actually didn't censor Frieza being cut in half, though I do believe they cut out the part where Trunks minced the rest of him into tiny little chunks of meat and then fried them with a Ki blast, but they kind of had to cut that part out.
They showed the actual cutting motions and the blast, they just left out the part where it showed Frieza's chopped up remains floating in the air before Trunks fires his ki blast.
Also, as a Bionicle fan, I remember being all "OMFG" when Mask of Light aired with an extended ending that showed footage of the then upcoming prequel movie.
So there are apparently rumours that A Certain Magical Index would air floating around Dragoncon.
...Well, at least I won't have to go out of my way to check this show out if it's true. I would've preferred something like Persona 4.
Hey Aniplex, you guys can get up off your lazy asses and dub Fate/Zero for broadcast anytime now.
Quote from: Rynnec on September 02, 2012, 01:25:50 AM
So there are apparently rumours that A Certain Magical Index would air floating around Dragoncon.
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_ly4yzmSFOX1r5z56ro1_500.gif&hash=c10b2a220a1804aad481652f9feeeffd01a2b202)
Quote from: Rynnec on September 02, 2012, 01:25:50 AM
So there are apparently rumours that A Certain Magical Index would air floating around Dragoncon.
:unimpressed:
:lol:
I know the series isn't very popular 'round these parts, so is there anything I should look out for? Is it haremshit? generic shounenshit? Or just plain shit? If this rumour turns out to be true, I've gotta know what exactly I'm getting myself into.
It's all three. And that's before considering Railgun...
It's about this place where every kid has superpowers, kind of like X-Men but without the grounded drama. There's this kid named Touma who goes to remedial classes, and happens to find an albino nun who has the knowledge of an entire library's worth of ancient tomes in her mind. And he has to protect her from this crazy albino guy whose superpower is to break the plot. Along the way, they meet this tsundere who shoots out lightning like Pikachu, and a lesbian who keeps trying to rape the aforementioned tsundere. This goes on for like 50 episodes, and a 26 episode spinoff.
Sounds like the perfect replacement for Bleach. :whuh:
There's some news from Jason DeMarco. Toonami is going to stop repeating and expand to six hours. Bebop will come back around the tail end. What's more is that Thundercats (the reboot, not the 80s one) and Sym-Bionic Titan will air on it soon.
Personally I think Titan and the Cats should air earlier than 2:00/1:00c, but at least the lineup is changing a little. Hopefully this opens the door for more additions later on.
Ah sweet, Titan.
Those are pretty random choices, but welcome. Maybe if Titan gets that far, I'll catch what I missed of it during its run.
Where did you leave off?
Quote from: gunswordfist on September 26, 2012, 05:15:24 PM
Where did you leave off?
I don't even remember! I'll check the descriptions when the show ends to find out.
Hey, now I'll finally have a reason to watch it again! :awesome:
Nice to see Titan back; kinda looking forward to catching up with that again, especially to see how well it holds up. I was in the crowd that was pretty jilted when they dropped the axe on it the first time around, so this should be interesting.
According to this tweet (http://www.twitlonger.com/show/jfickb), Aniplex USA is taking suggestions on what shows they should pitch to Toonami on Facebook.
I guess it'll have to be Blue Exorcist or something.
CN's Facebook page has been posting stuff on their timeline referring to older events in the network's history, and yesterday, they made a post on the date of the first Toonami airing, and asked followers what their favorite show was. My OCD made me tally up all of the shows named and compiled into a list.
10- Ruroni Kenshin (20)
9- Thundercats (21)
7 (tied)- Zoids/One Piece (25)
6- Gundam Wing (27)
5- Yu Yu Hakusho (38)
4- Samurai Jack (40)
3- Sailor Moon (54)
2- Naruto (67)
1- Dragon Ball Z (127)
I cut out the [as] shows listed, like Cowboy Bebop and Bleach, but yeah, take that as you will.
Well, at least Yu Yu Hakusho got more points than Gundam Wing.
Naruto has more votes than Yu Yu Hakusho. I just don't believe I'll ever understand that. I guess people are more interested in a filler-heavy uninspired adaptation than they are of something that actually has some more solid effort put behind it. As for DBZ being the show that most people listed as their favorite, well that's just blind nostalgia talking, of course.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on October 12, 2012, 03:21:47 PM
Naruto has more votes than Yu Yu Hakusho. I just don't believe I'll ever understand that. I guess people are more interested in a filler-heavy uninspired adaptation than they are of something that actually has some more solid effort put behind it. As for DBZ being the show that most people listed as their favorite, well that's just blind nostalgia talking, of course.
Well, Naruto is pretty much the DBZ of this generation (well, in America at least) so it's not too suprising. But yeah, mainstream anime audiences love those style-over-substance Battle Shounen shows.
Yeahhhh, a lot of people who comment on CN's Facebook page are idiots.
Hell, a lot of them thought that they were bringing Toonami back on weekdays when they were made this post. And I even saw one person list Digimon as their favorite Toonami show. :D
Good to see Samurai Jack in the top 5. I of course hate seeing Naruto being favorited so much and wish RK was higher.
Quote from: Rynnec on October 12, 2012, 03:30:33 PM
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on October 12, 2012, 03:21:47 PM
Naruto has more votes than Yu Yu Hakusho. I just don't believe I'll ever understand that. I guess people are more interested in a filler-heavy uninspired adaptation than they are of something that actually has some more solid effort put behind it. As for DBZ being the show that most people listed as their favorite, well that's just blind nostalgia talking, of course.
Well, Naruto is pretty much the DBZ of this generation (well, in America at least) so it's not too suprising. But yeah, mainstream anime audiences love those style-over-substance Battle Shounen shows.
Damn right I do. I honestly can't say I remember one thing about Yu Yu Hakusho except the dude getting hit by a car, the woman with Frieza's voice, that orange-haired dude with the really bad gravely voice and some roided out bad guy. And a blue-hair chick. That and really dated looking animation. Not saying it's bad, but I rarely ever caught it and when I did, it was never that appealing.
That's a shame, but that's your opinion I guess. To me, the show is pretty brilliant past the first arc. Its villains are more complex than DBZ's (though to be fair, the villains were meant to be archetypes in that series, but I found that the anime never pulled them off as well as the manga for whatever reason), yet at the same time they are never up their own ass like I find the villains in Naruto tend to be (this whole destroying reality shtick with Tobi really drives me up the wall), the show never dragged out its fights like DBZ and Naruto tend to do, and its animation really isn't anymore dated than DBZ's, and I cared more about the story and characters than the animation, anyways.
Also, Yu Yu Hakusho is probably the only long-running shonen anime without a single filler episode (well, technically it has 1, but even that episode doesn't feel like a filler episode). It stays consistently for most of its run, never drags out its fights like the other 2 series seem to do way too much, and generally does a great job of balancing out its characters, with each character getting the right about of characterization without any single one ever feeling like they are hogging the spotlight.
I will say that if you only watched the early episodes, I could very well see how you wouldn't find it memorable because those are honestly pretty average and generic stuff, but as far as I'm concerned The Dark Tournament arc is my favorite tournament-based arc in any shonen series, and the Chapter Black arc is my favorite story arc out of any shonen series, period.
As someone who has genuinely seen all of DBZ (and read all of the manga, which I find to be superior), and who is actually keeping up with Naruto as weekly chapters are released (though I do it more out of habit than anything else at this point), I can honestly say that I find YYH to be better on the whole than either of those series by miles. But once again, maybe that's just me.
I can honestly tell you I probably didn't give it a fair chance at the time. I wasn't willing to watch anything with dated-looking animation when it aired, which is why I was skipping on a lot of Toonami shows anyway back then. I think the last episode I ever saw of YYH was the red-haired guy being forced to kill a kid who was antagonizing them so they could reach the main bad guy. Like I said, I was never really interested but I'll always give it props for taking the dark route on that.
Yeah, that's another thing I enjoyed about the series. It was still mostly mainstream with the way it handled things, but there were some darker tones to it that it didn't shy away from exploring. Togashi's 2nd big (and still currently running) shonen series, Hunter X Hunter, goes into much darker territory that was only hinted at in YYH, for better or worse....
Anyways, speaking of Toonami and HXH, if that series ever gets licensed by FUNi than they should totally strike up a deal with the current AS Toonami to have that show air on there. Its a perfect fit for the current Toonami, since it is essentially an older shonen series (it at least started in the late 90's), but with a modern adaptation that would be a bit too dark and violent to air on the original Toonami but would be just fine airing the the AS Toonami since it wouldn't have any of those standard restrictions put on it. Of course, this is just wishful thinking on my part.
That would be a great fit, but Toonami only seems to be able to afford Funi's older, less popular series and newer shows that are less in demand. That's also why I don't see One Piece being a possibility to return.
That, and the show already had 2 chances to air on TV in the states, and didn't meet expectations either time. Give some other anime a chance already.
With Bleach ending in the next couple of years, Hunter X Hunter would be a perfect replacement for it (as would the new JJBA anime if it ever gets licensed). Toonami should be able to afford it by then.
I was also going to mention JJBA, but since it has only aired 1 episode so far, I think its too early to judge whether its a keeper or not. There are a lot of series with strong starts. I have to see if this series can hold my interest after dozens of episodes (assuming that its intended to last that long). Still, what I've seen so far certainly looks very promising.
No Zatch Bell made me sad.
Quote from: Daxdiv on October 12, 2012, 09:28:06 PM
No Zatch Bell made me sad.
That wasn't too far off, actually. It had like 18 votes I think.
Heh, I completely forgot that Zatch Bell was even on Toonami. I only ever saw one episode of it, and I thought it was OK, but I obviously haven't seen enough to really be able to say what I think about the show. I do remember that I had a biased and unfair disdain for the show, if only because it completely replaced Yu Yu Hakusho. And I don't just mean that it bumped YYH out of its time-slot, but it was basically put in YYH's place and YYH was removed from Toonami completely. Of course that's not the show's fault, but it just kind of got to me since 9:30 PM on Saturday Nights was synonymous with new episodes of YYH for me, and when Zatch Bell came on and replaced YYH, it cut YYH off at the point where it was nearing the fucking climax of its Chapter Black arc; and you guys have no idea how much that enraged me back as a kid who was eagerly awaiting the next weekly episode of YYH only to be shocked by a completely new show in its place and my favorite show nowhere to be seen.
Needless to say, I've long since gotten over it, but I think I'll somehow always associate Zatch Bell with being "that show that replaced my favorite show on Toonami." :P
Don't worry, I had a similar irrational disdain for Cyborg 009 when it replaced YYH (at least if I'm remembering correctly). XD
Damn, really? I didn't even know that.
Quote from: Rynnec on September 29, 2012, 06:40:13 PM
According to this tweet (http://www.twitlonger.com/show/jfickb), Aniplex USA is taking suggestions on what shows they should pitch to Toonami on Facebook.
Ooooh oooh ooooh...
Spoiler
Dog Days. =P
They won't be able to afford any of Aniplex's licenses if their DVD set prices are anything to go by.
Rewatching SBT, I think one of my biggest problems with the show is the General. He obviously comes from the J.J. Jameson/Thunderbolt Ross camp of blaming the hero for everything, including their own misgivings, and while he is right that Titan is a big deal sometimes, he just isn't that appealing of a character. He doesn't have the same kind of unaware self-depreciation humor that made Jameson tolerable, or the paternal conflict that made Ross somewhat sympathetic.
He's done completely straight with no reason to exist other than have someone else to boo at, and from what I recall, he doesn't become any more bearable. Does anyone else have a problem with the character, or is it just me?
He's just that 'Hey the voice of Bender/Wakka/Marcus Fenix is in the show!" guy for me.
He is there to remind viewers that the trio are in fact somewhat responsible for every single monster attack the planet has because them just being there is why the monsters come in the first place but of course he can't be taken seriously at all.
Okay, so the new anime airing next week is Tenchi Muyo! GXP, and Inuyasha is back in the 5 am slot.
Meh to both.
Quote from: Avaitor on November 03, 2012, 10:59:55 PM
Okay, so the new anime airing next week is Tenchi Muyo! GXP, and Inuyasha is back in the 5 am slot.
Meh to both.
Wha? I know about the Inuyasha thing, but when was GXP confirmed?
Quote from: Rynnec on November 03, 2012, 11:02:14 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on November 03, 2012, 10:59:55 PM
Okay, so the new anime airing next week is Tenchi Muyo! GXP, and Inuyasha is back in the 5 am slot.
Meh to both.
Wha? I know about the Inuyasha thing, but when was GXP confirmed?
Only recently. Like, a couple of hours ago.
Quote from: Avaitor on November 03, 2012, 11:14:14 PM
Quote from: Rynnec on November 03, 2012, 11:02:14 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on November 03, 2012, 10:59:55 PM
Okay, so the new anime airing next week is Tenchi Muyo! GXP, and Inuyasha is back in the 5 am slot.
Meh to both.
Wha? I know about the Inuyasha thing, but when was GXP confirmed?
Only recently. Like, a couple of hours ago.
Just saw the promo. Meh. Better choice than something like Mirai Nikki, but that's really not saying much. I'm just wondering what will happen to Brotherhood's slot once it finishes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8CNClh_bMek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8CNClh_bMek)
O_O
Jeff Harris posted that on his tumblr. I got a kick out of it.
Well, with this as news, I can now finally say that I no longer have any attachment to Toonami. This whole "it'll get better if you help" schtick was fun to say. But when this is the product, I'm done. If I want to support the anime industry, I'll watch legal simulcasts and buy FUNi DVDs, not watch shows I don't like with empty promises being constantly thrown at my face.
Honestly? As one of the people who's been enjoying the revival, and constantly watches Toonami every week, even I have to say "WTF?" at the announcement of GXP.
Quote from: Rynnec on November 04, 2012, 01:35:13 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8CNClh_bMek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8CNClh_bMek)
O_O
Awesome.
At this point, they should just turn Toonami into its own 30 minute SF show and air it on [as]. The Adventures Of Steve Blum & Peter Cullen In Space would be like 5000000x better than the shit they're currently showing on the block.
Except they couldn't even get Cullen back.
Quote from: Avaitor on November 04, 2012, 10:01:31 AM
Except they couldn't even get Cullen back.
They probably could if they sold all their shitty animu licenses.
Quote from: Foggle on November 04, 2012, 10:19:52 AM
Quote from: Avaitor on November 04, 2012, 10:01:31 AM
Except they couldn't even get Cullen back.
They probably could if they sold all their shitty animu licenses.
I dunno. I forget if they couldn't get him because of price issues or scheduling conflicts. And a lot of the anime they get are typically cheaper ones, since they can't afford much more. That's why Toonami has been airing Funi's leftovers and shows with little fanfare.
But yeah, getting GXP is a really lame call. I get that it's gotta be the cheapest Tenchi show of them all, but they could've at least got something else. No one likes it.
Hello, new guy here. Just wanted to share some thoughts.
I've never seen GXP before; hopefully it isn't as bad as everyone says it is. After all, everyone seems to hate Samurai 7 but I've been really enjoying it so far. But GXP certaintly doesn't seem like a good choice for Toonami, and it betrays some of the trust a lot of fans have had with it. Hopefully we'll get somehting better in the lineup when Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood finishes it's run. At the very least, they could bring back Durarara.
I'll still enjoy Toonami because I actually enjoy nearly all of the shows on an objective level (the exception is Bleach, which I enjoy mostly because it fun to chastise it's inept storytelling and characters), but if GXP is actually legitimately bad then I'm going to very dissapointed.
I still see value in Toonami as an experience and enjoy it as such, but it really does need to make better and smarter acquisition choices than it has been, although, from my understanding, the ratings most of the shows have been getting are acceptable in [adult swim]'s eyes, so perhaps their strategy is just to keep the block alive until the budget is augmented and they can afford the pricier shows people have been asking for.
Until then, at least I'll have Samurai 7, Symbionic Titan, Thundercats, Inuyasha, and the consistenly awesome promos and video game reviews to keep looking foward to...
I always viewed GXP as being mediocre at best. Even when I first watched it when it first came out, it just screamed mediocrity to me. In fact, this was the series I wanted DLA or Foggle to do as a thank you for donating enough money that time we needed to move servers. I just didn't know who I wanted to put this burden on.
I never actually saw it, so if you really want one of us to tackle it, I'll watch its run on Toonami.
I think it'd be better for me to, since I'm a bit of a Tenchi fan, while Foggle isn't.
Sure DLA, it's all yours. Thank you very much.
Thanks Avaitor. I still need to watch Index so that Insommy will make his donation. :lol:
Did GXP not kill the Tenchi franchise?
I mean it already had problems with never actually finishing a continuity it started, but that was not what fans wanted from a Tenchi show.
I could have sworn there were some OVAs released, but I'm not sure if it came out before or after GXP.
They might as well just bring DBZ back at this point and call it a day. /srs
...no, but really, what a couple of lame ducks they've pulled up here. Forget GXP; do people seriously still like Inuyasha?
From what I saw on my Twitter feed.... No, people didn't like Inuyasha. I''m just glad it got put back in that 5:00 AM slot it sat on for quite a while.
The speculation around the fanbase is that they brought Inuyasha back to pump fans up for The Final Act.
Which probably isn't gonna happen.
Yeah, people are gonna be excited for a 5AM show.
Seriously, just go on FUNi's Youtube page, and you can make your own Toonami block that would be a dozen times better than what they have now.
I could take or leave Inuyasha, but GXP is something that would've made since back in '04 or '03, but airing it now seems like a waste. It's obvious that it was only picked do to the fact that it has "Tenchi Muyo" slapped onto it.
Like how hard is it to just pile on some Black Lagoon (http://www.hulu.com/#!black-lagoon), with some Stand Alone Complex (http://www.hulu.com/#!ghost-in-the-shell-stand-alone-complex) and Tiger And Bunny (http://www.hulu.com/#!tiger-and-bunny), combined with a helping of Madoka (http://www.hulu.com/#!madoka-magica) and Ergo Proxy (http://www.hulu.com/#!ergo-proxy), all on top of some delicious Texhnolyze? (http://www.hulu.com/#!texhnolyze)
Quote from: Rynnec on November 05, 2012, 01:36:00 AM
I could take or leave Inuyasha, but GXP is something that would've made since back in '04 or '03, but airing it now seems like a waste. It's obvious that it was only picked do to the fact that it has "Tenchi Muyo" slapped onto it.
That, and it probably cost them like next to nothing.
I realize they're on a budget and all, but come on...
I'm really under the idea that FUNi offered good shows, but AS picked them because of the name basis. After all, FUNi has everything to gain by offering good shows to air. It's just that the prime meat is getting snubbed in favor of comfort food.
Inuyasha is comfort food? :whuh:
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on November 05, 2012, 01:45:04 AM
I'm really under the idea that FUNi offered good shows, but AS picked them because of the name basis. After all, FUNi has everything to gain by offering good shows to air. It's just that the prime meat is getting snubbed in favor of comfort food.
According to a Facebook post FUNI made a while back, that's essentially what happned when they picked up Casshern Sins (just replace "name bias" with "personal interests").
Quote from: Kiddington on November 05, 2012, 01:46:21 AM
Inuyasha is comfort food? :whuh:
For thirteen year olds, yes.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on November 05, 2012, 01:47:23 AM
Quote from: Kiddington on November 05, 2012, 01:46:21 AM
Inuyasha is comfort food? :whuh:
For the crazies.
:light:
...but seriously, I'd more than love to know where Toonami's actual operating budget stands at this point, because unless they're absolutely running on damn near pennies to the dollar, there is no excuse for a lineup this run-of-the-mill.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on November 05, 2012, 01:47:23 AM
Quote from: Kiddington on November 05, 2012, 01:46:21 AM
Inuyasha is comfort food? :whuh:
For the crazies.
I like Inuyasha. It isn't the best anime in the world, but it's pretty enjoyable. Certaintly more so than Bleach.
I'm hoping that when Brotherhood ends they'll add the other Funimation show or shows they acquired to the lineup, and that hopefully they chose stuff like Black Lagoon or something most people actually want to watch. I dont think Funimation is offereing low enough prices for some of their shows as Dr. Insomniac is suggesting, but certaintly [adult swim] should have the decency to discern which shows in their price range are of the highest quality and put those on, rather than appeal to nostalgic diehards who will be inevitably dissapointed.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on November 04, 2012, 09:12:50 PM
Did GXP not kill the Tenchi franchise?
I mean it already had problems with never actually finishing a continuity it started, but that was not what fans wanted from a Tenchi show.
There's a new series, Tenchi Muyo! War on Geminar, that still airing I think. I haven't seen it, but from what I've heard it's actually pretty good, so I guess the franchise has life left in it afterall.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on November 05, 2012, 01:40:51 AM
Like how hard is it to just pile on some Black Lagoon (http://www.hulu.com/#!black-lagoon), with some Stand Alone Complex (http://www.hulu.com/#!ghost-in-the-shell-stand-alone-complex) and Tiger And Bunny (http://www.hulu.com/#!tiger-and-bunny), combined with a helping of Madoka (http://www.hulu.com/#!madoka-magica) and Ergo Proxy (http://www.hulu.com/#!ergo-proxy), all on top of some delicious Texhnolyze? (http://www.hulu.com/#!texhnolyze)
Viz is probably charging a lot for Tiger and Bunny, but the rest should be feasible for Toonami to get, which begs the question of why they haven't gotten them yet, especially Black Lagoon.
I would love for Black Lagoon to be on. Would certainly bring me back.
Quote from: Cartoon X on November 04, 2012, 01:16:04 PM
Hello, new guy here. Just wanted to share some thoughts.
Missed this post somehow. Welcome to the forum, Cartoon X!
A new guy? Whaaaaaaaaaaat?
So, uh... welcome! :happytime:
Yes, welcome to the site Animation Revelation!
Thanks for the warm welcomes! ;D
Yes, hello.
Alas, the whole "support an action block merely because it's an action block" ideology still doesn't gel with me. The only way to support good shows is to watch good shows, not stare at bad ones with the hope that better ones will appear in their place. I'd be more charitable if I had actual proof in front of me that they couldn't afford FUNi's A-game, but the opposite seems true from what I can gather.
Though I still can't help but wonder how much funding Toonami has. I mean recently we did have TOM walk around the ship during his review of Fix-It Felix Jr, so I can imagine that the budget at least for TOM is starting to get better.
But with the shows Toonami has picked up, it actually kind of makes you wonder if Beat's hatred for Kim Manning with a passion is justified or not. Considering I do remember DeMarco saying that Kim is still in charge of the scheduling. *shudders*
I'd say it's at least partially justified, seeing as her anti-fanservice stance, while admirable, prevents AS from picking up some otherwise decent shows.
Plus, she apparently wanted to pick up Elfen Lied.
Apparently EL is "deep" enough for Kim to ignore whatever fanservice it has or something, and the only reason she didn't pick it up is because it was too violent for censors.
That Elfen Lied would fit and not Monster shows how wrong this block started skewing as it went on. This is the audience they built, after all, and it's not a good one. It seems they're already starting off on the wrong foot with Toonami.
Airing Monster on Toonami would be like airing Boardwalk Empire on NBC tbh...
Monster is too smart, and too good, for [as].
It probably was too smart and good for SyFy too, but hey.
Quote from: Avaitor on November 06, 2012, 06:18:55 PM
Monster is too smart, and too good, for [as].
Exactly. The majority of Toonami's target audience wouldn't be able to handle, or care, about something like Monster.
Quote from: Foggle on November 06, 2012, 06:24:17 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on November 06, 2012, 06:18:55 PM
Monster is too smart, and too good, for [as].
Exactly. The majority of Toonami's target audience wouldn't be able to handle, or care, about something like Monster.
I was referring to AS, actually. AS should have built an audience for stuff like this, instead of Super Milk Chan.
Toonami already has its work cut out for it due to the general lack of action cartoons these days that would fit.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on November 06, 2012, 06:26:42 PM
Quote from: Foggle on November 06, 2012, 06:24:17 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on November 06, 2012, 06:18:55 PM
Monster is too smart, and too good, for [as].
Exactly. The majority of Toonami's target audience wouldn't be able to handle, or care, about something like Monster.
I was referring to AS, actually. AS should have built an audience for stuff like this, instead of Super Milk Chan.
I mean, they have tried smarter series than they usually air, but just about any anime that isn't a shonen or Bebop bombs for them.
Quote from: Avaitor on November 06, 2012, 06:30:40 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on November 06, 2012, 06:26:42 PM
Quote from: Foggle on November 06, 2012, 06:24:17 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on November 06, 2012, 06:18:55 PM
Monster is too smart, and too good, for [as].
Exactly. The majority of Toonami's target audience wouldn't be able to handle, or care, about something like Monster.
I was referring to AS, actually. AS should have built an audience for stuff like this, instead of Super Milk Chan.
I mean, they have tried smarter series than they usually air, but just about any anime that isn't a shonen or Bebop bombs for them.
Yeah, I get that, but that's mostly because the audience for said anime are teenagers and not actually adults. Now that Toonami is back there's even less of a difference between the two blocks.
But that aside, I don't watch either block anymore.
Quote from: Avaitor on November 06, 2012, 06:30:40 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on November 06, 2012, 06:26:42 PM
Quote from: Foggle on November 06, 2012, 06:24:17 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on November 06, 2012, 06:18:55 PM
Monster is too smart, and too good, for [as].
Exactly. The majority of Toonami's target audience wouldn't be able to handle, or care, about something like Monster.
I was referring to AS, actually. AS should have built an audience for stuff like this, instead of Super Milk Chan.
I mean, they have tried smarter series than they usually air, but just about any anime that isn't a shonen or Bebop bombs for them.
Trigun and Champloo worked out pretty well for them, it's more that any anime that's more talky and plot-oriented that's not FMA doesn't do well. That may have changed with Samurai 7's and Casshern's moderate sucess, but who knows?
Casshern was a success? I thought it bombed hard.
Why did Tatsunoko even remake Casshern anyway? I don't remember a single hint of clamoring for that to return before Sins was airing in Japan. I thought people would be getting them to remake Gatchaman or something instead.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on November 06, 2012, 08:02:57 PM
Why did Tatsunoko even remake Casshern anyway? I don't remember a single hint of clamoring for that to return before Sins was airing in Japan. I thought people would be getting them to remake Gatchaman or something instead.
My guess was to refresh audiences on Casshern when Tatsunoko vs. Capcom came out.
Quote from: Avaitor on November 06, 2012, 08:10:24 PM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on November 06, 2012, 08:02:57 PM
Why did Tatsunoko even remake Casshern anyway? I don't remember a single hint of clamoring for that to return before Sins was airing in Japan. I thought people would be getting them to remake Gatchaman or something instead.
My guess was to refresh audiences on Casshern when Tatsunoko vs. Capcom came out.
Then why couldn't they make a Gold Lightan anime to do that as well?
CS didn't blow people away, but it didn't exactly bomb either, it at least got above 5k semi-regularly. I'm sure Sketch could give a more accurate assessment of it than I could.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on November 06, 2012, 08:02:57 PM
Why did Tatsunoko even remake Casshern anyway? I don't remember a single hint of clamoring for that to return before Sins was airing in Japan. I thought people would be getting them to remake Gatchaman or something instead.
I guess it was an attempt to boost the popularity of the Casshern franchise or something.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on November 06, 2012, 08:11:11 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on November 06, 2012, 08:10:24 PM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on November 06, 2012, 08:02:57 PM
Why did Tatsunoko even remake Casshern anyway? I don't remember a single hint of clamoring for that to return before Sins was airing in Japan. I thought people would be getting them to remake Gatchaman or something instead.
My guess was to refresh audiences on Casshern when Tatsunoko vs. Capcom came out.
Then why couldn't they make a Gold Lightan anime to do that as well?
Go ask them.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on November 06, 2012, 08:11:11 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on November 06, 2012, 08:10:24 PM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on November 06, 2012, 08:02:57 PM
Why did Tatsunoko even remake Casshern anyway? I don't remember a single hint of clamoring for that to return before Sins was airing in Japan. I thought people would be getting them to remake Gatchaman or something instead.
My guess was to refresh audiences on Casshern when Tatsunoko vs. Capcom came out.
Then why couldn't they make a Gold Lightan anime to do that as well?
Casshern was hugely popular in TvC and also was one of the best characters in the game, while Gold Lightan was bottom tier and the least used character.
See, Gold Lightan needs some love. Just because he's a hard to play character that came from a long-dead franchise doesn't mean that people don't care (okay, it does).
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on November 06, 2012, 08:18:02 PM
Gold Lightan was bottom tier and the least used character.
Scrub detected.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqpvFO9QoS0
There've been a lot of old series to suddenly get new seasons or reboots or whatnot without any indication that they were popular enough to warrant more anime material. Yet with all of that going on, it has never occurred to the boneheads at KyoAni to continue the FMP anime and adapt the 2nd half of the story-line from the novels. I mean, I know for a fact that at least has a dedicated fan-base in Japan, even if its not necessarily close to one of the biggest out there. I mean, I've seen stuff that I swear is less popular than FMP (and I do at least try to research to see if certain series are actually popular in Japan) get multiple new seasons of anime, yet something good that has actual good material left to adapt gets constantly snubbed every year as a plethora of less appealing and more niche anime come out. I just find that kind of perplexing. At any rate, I didn't mean to go off topic, but I figured that I'd mention that while on the subject of why certain series get new anime despite clearly not being that popular or in demand.
To relate it back to the topic, it'd be awesome if this AS-Toonami could get FMP to air on the block. I believe that since ADV went under, FUNi gained the complete rights to the series (I could be dead wrong on this, but I could swear that I read that somewhere), and in that case I'm sure FUNi would be willing to let Toonami air a show like that for an affordable price (at least the first season or Fumoffu, if they have the rights to those now). While I'd prefer the far superior TSR to be aired on Toonami, I don't necessarily think that they could really do that unless they aired at least the first season before it. Either way, though, I'm surprised that so few people have suggested that show for the block. It'd honestly be a perfect fit, IMO.
Also, even though its been said a bunch of times on this thread and elsewhere already, including by me (because it can't be said enough times), this AS-Toonami needs to get Black Lagoon. Its the most sensible choice for an adult-oriented action series to air on the block, it has a healthy fan-base who'd support its ratings at least as well as any other show currently airing on Toonami, it has a kick-ass quality dub that would fit right in line with the type of people who watch this block anyways, its only a few years old so it won't draw most of those whiny ass-holes who "can't watch old shit" away, and I seriously doubt that FUNi would charge Toonami some un-affordable price to get the rights to air it, but once again, maybe I'm dead wrong.
Quote from: Foggle on November 06, 2012, 08:23:50 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on November 06, 2012, 08:18:02 PM
Gold Lightan was bottom tier and the least used character.
Scrub detected.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqpvFO9QoS0
I always felt sorry when fighting him. Even the Lost Planet robot was a better fighter.
I seriously love that video. :lol:
Those two shows + Darker Than Black and Bee Train's "Girls With Guns" Trilogy really should be on Toonami. Black Lagoon's not airing by now is especially perplexing since the FUNI re-release is going to come out soon, you'd think they'd promote that by getting it on TV or something, it worked for Deadman Wonderland.
I'd kill for a Gatchaman remake.
If anyone is interested, Toonami now has an official tumblr. (http://toonami.tumblr.com/)
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Damn, those are badass.
This is now my favorite part of Tumblr, hands down.
Eh, I want actual posts from them, not just answers to questions.
Yeah, I hope they keep posting more awesome concept art and naming the artists and songs they use for their promos. Still, it's pretty cool how they're doing this out of love for the fans.
Speaking of which (http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md8psdYUFH1rvb8cmo1_1280.jpg).
That would've been better than what we got.
Quote from: Rynnec on November 09, 2012, 10:19:26 PM
Yeah, I hope they keep posting more awesome concept art and naming the artists and songs they use for their promos. Still, it's pretty cool how they're doing this out of love for the fans.
Speaking of which (http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md8psdYUFH1rvb8cmo1_1280.jpg).
Oh yeah, I loved that. They even admit that we might see something like this later on.
So, Bleach is going to go on hiatus for about 8 weeks starting in December, and they may be showing something in its place for those weeks (honestly, they'd be dumb not to).
Some have speculated that we may be getting Hellsing Ultimate or Black Rock Shooter in those 8 weeks, both of which I'd be perfectly OK with. Though, they may have to push back the schedule of they air Hellsing.
Also, this would be pretty interesting (http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/35838468132/is-there-any-chance-that-toonami-will-do-a-movie).
Quote from: Rynnec on November 16, 2012, 05:38:04 PMSo, Bleach is going to go on hiatus for about 8 weeks starting in December, and they may be showing something in its place for those weeks (honestly, they'd be dumb not to).
Not quite.
Bleach reruns WILL air at midnight, but a new show (http://toonamiinfolink.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1230) will actually air at 12:30.
Why am I more surprised at them sandwiching Samurai 7 inbetween Thundercats and Sym-Bionic Titan than them not replacing Bleach?
Guess what Toonami has back?
Naruto. Uncut.
Meh.
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fuck
You know this is going to be big for the block, though. I know that Naruto fatigue exists with a lot of anime fans, but there are probably just as many people out there who haven't caught up with the show since Toonami ended and don't know how bad it became with Shippuden, and will gladly rewatch the show.
I mean, Bleach has the same kind of fatigue going on, and that's still the highest-rated show on the block.
Shit, if I still had CN I'd watch it. This should also give Toonami a good ratings boost.
You all know that I got tired of Naruto years ago. That said, I can still see this as a respectable step forward for the block as I know what a sizable fan-base the series still has, even if it has dwindled considerably over the years, and getting a show like this is no small deal. I just hope that the popularity of this series can boost Toonami's ratings enough to warrant it investing in other big series, and eventually they can really get something that'll hook me and other viewers as well....hopefully.
I hope they do that as well.
Pretty much agree with Ensatsu. I've seen enough Naruto but this is a plus for the block and I don't mind it being there at all.
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How old does this lineup make you feel?
The America Online keyword is what really drives the point home.
They changed the schedule up a little. The main change is that Samurai 7 is airing a little earlier, and Tenchi GXP is moving down to 3:30.
So yeah, it's official. No one likes this show.
With GXP's failure, it's unlikely Toonami will pick up any more haremshit anime.
I'd be completely fine with that.
What was on their faces last week?
Also, am I the only one who thinks that Seina looks a hell of a lot like Tenchi? That's probably going to be a big spiel of mine in my upcoming articles.
According to various tweets and forum posts, it was like that on the uncut DVD's. The "joke" being that whatever was put on their faces was too horrible to see.
Quote from: Avaitor on December 15, 2012, 08:17:02 PM
Also, am I the only one who thinks that Seina looks a hell of a lot like Tenchi? That's probably going to be a big spiel of mine in my upcoming articles.
A lot of people have noticed their similar appearances. It was most likely intentional.
Quote from: Rynnec on December 15, 2012, 08:21:23 PM
According to various tweets and forum posts, it was like that on the uncut DVD's. The "joke" being that whatever was put on their faces was too horrible to see.
Yeah, I know that. I couldn't get to the DVR in the past few days, so I ended up watching a rip from the DVD. It kinda looks like a vagina though.
Quote from: Rynnec on December 15, 2012, 08:21:23 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on December 15, 2012, 08:17:02 PM
Also, am I the only one who thinks that Seina looks a hell of a lot like Tenchi? That's probably going to be a big spiel of mine in my upcoming articles.
A lot of people have noticed their similar appearances. It was most likely intentional.
I'm positive it was, but it's just so obnoxiously blatant. Especially since Seina is similar to Tenchi in a lot of ways personally, except considerably less likable.
Quote from: Avaitor on December 15, 2012, 08:17:02 PMAlso, am I the only one who thinks that Seina looks a hell of a lot like Tenchi?
What do you expect? It's Nabeshin; everything he touches turns to fanfic.
We don't have Tenchi. He's just a good friend of Tenchi who just happens to look like him. They're totally not the same character! We also have this character named Ryoko who's totally not Ryoko! We'll also have carbon copies of all the other characters from the official series.
Oh, and for good measure, I'm going to insert myself as the most powerful character in the cast and make the voice acting as obnoxious as possible!
:anger: Nabeshin pisses me off so much. I don't know why he's so popular in otaku circles.
The block seems to have been doing very well lately, especially Thundercats, which has gone over 1 million viewers in the past couple of weeks.
Looks like a very good sign.
Well, it's a very pretty-looking show, I'll give it that. I liked the pilot but I never really caught the rest when it was initially on.
I never took the chance to catch any of it, so I don't have much to say on the show. From what I hear, it starts out fine, then quickly deteriorates by the end of its run.
It starts out OK enough. Nothing mind-blowing but nothing great. But by half-way into its run it already devolves into what feels like a bad attempt and ripping off a generic shonen, and by the end of the season its just flat-out shit. Personally, I wouldn't recommend it. I've actually been contemplating writing a review on it in the future just so that I can say I did an honest, unbiased , negative review of something for once.
As someone who drifted out of it early on, I wouldn't mind reading that. :)
I've been rewatching Thundercats on Toonami, just to see where my interest died off. I remember during the first hiatus, I stopped watching due to that.
So Jason DeMarco was asked to share his 5 all-time favorite Toonami promos on tumblr, and he went with these:
#1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WVcCB4fze94)
#2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=abjaodJii-4)
#3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=i2gYbZz8D8o)
#4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WHPzntyVPJk)
#5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=emgCEy1fKRw)
Watch and enjoy!
Those are all good promos. Toonami promos were fucking awesome at hyping you up for a show and making you want to watch it. Even shows that I didn't really care for had awesome promos, with 2 of them being on that list you posted (Samurai Jack and Gundam Wing). Even when I knew I didn't really like those shows, watching those promos sure as hell tempted me to try and watch them again, back in the day. Hell, even now I have to say that those promos make all of those shows look insanely bad-ass, whether I find the actual shows to be that way or not.
As for me, I would have the Batman: The Animated Series and Batman Beyond promos among my top 5 as well. I'd also have the Rurouni Kenshin promo, as something about it really appealed to me. I'm not sure what else would specifically qualify as one of my favorites, though. I mean, their all good, but there's only a few that stand out to me as the best of the best.
So why do people want another hour of the block?
Cause FUNi wants another hour to dump their shows.
But they already have Netflix for that. And Crunchyroll. And Hulu. And Youtube.
Man, modern Toonami is so pointless.
The idea is to attract more viewers, since streaming apparently doesn't do much to generate new fans. Theoritically anyways.
IMPO, Toonami is on [adult swim] because they'd rather fill it with anime that the wee ones can't watch, and avoid taking the block back to its glory days. It's on too late for me, and I don't DVR. More proof that CN needs to lose the current administration.
I know I haven't posted on these forums at all since, like, November or something, but I've got a lot to talk about and I might as well talk about it here.
Apparently, there's a rumor going around that Soul Eater, my 23rd favorite anime, could be replacing Samurai 7 on Febuary 16th.
I don't know if you guys like Soul Eater or not, since it's, you know, shonen, (I'm sure that Foggle hates it), but if this is true then it'll be the best aquisition the block has made since it's revival. Although Soul Eater is only an above-average shonen series (and its ending is stupid as hell), it's well-animated, popular, relatively recent, nicely paced, and light enough to fit next to Naruto and Thundercats while also being dark enough to make it stand out next to them. Its 51 episode length means Toonami's got a premiering show that'll last a full year, which means they won't have to worry about replacing the other shows for the time being. Oh, and it should get good ratings, better than Samurai 7. Picture it folks. 4 shows on Toonami that get over a million viewers. Good stuff.
Personally, though, I sorta hope this isn't true. While I loved the show when I originally watched it, and it's a good show and a damn better shonen series than Naruto and Bleach (overall), it doesn't hold up quite well enough in comparison to my other anime favorites like Case Closed and Yu Yu Hakusho. More importantly, it means that a NEW series, created after 2010, recently dubbed, will not be comming to Toonami yet. I think we will get Michiko to Hachin on Toonami at some point because it's a Watannabe series, but I really think Toonami needs a fresher series now rather than later, preferably one not released on dvd beforehand (or at least less than six months beforehand). So, I can't really be excited for Soul Eater if it really is comming to Toonami, but I will watch, and I DO and WILL enjoy it, but I really hope the show replacing Thundercats in March will be NEW, not "new."
Also, I'll say it again and will continue to say it untill it happens, Toonami needs to air Black Lagoon. I don't love the show, it's certaintly not one of my top 25 favorite anime, but it's undeniably bad-ass and is the kind of show Toonami NEEDS. They might as well cough up the money for Inuyasha: The Final Act too. I don't like the anime version, but it'll get good ratings and has better animation and pacing than Naruto and Bleach, in my opinion.
Besides those, they should put Batman: The Brave and the Bold on Toonami. They might as well since neither Cartoon Network or Boomerang are airing it, and it'd bring more variety to the block.
I like Toonami, by the way. I don't care what you guys think about it not being how it was in the glory days, the promos and music videos and bumps are awesome and define exactly what makes Toonami so great. Besides, the lineup is waaaaaayyy better than the lineups in 1997-1998, 2002, and 2006-2008. It's at least on par with the Fall 2005 lineup. I don't watch it every week, and haven't kept up with any of the shows except Tenchi Muyo! GXP (your guess is as good as mine on why), but besides Bleach I don't think any of the shows on the block are awful and the rising ratings for the block are a positive sign that many people, Toonami fans or not, feel the same way. I wan't better shows on Toonami, for sure, but the fact that they put so much effort into the block (especially when compared to [adult swim] action), prevents me from being indifferent to or hating Toonami 2012.
Seriously though. Black Lagoon. On Toonami. Now.
Soul Eater doesn't really interest me, but it seems like a pretty good fit for Toonami, and a damn-near perfect compliment to Bleach and Naruto.. It's also fairly recent and popular enough to gain some attraction towards it acquisition, so I'd be all for it joining the block.
Brave & the Bold, I'm not so sure if it's fit for this version of Toonami, but it's a great show and deserves more of an afterlife than it received. I'd definitely consider putting it on the block.
And I agree 100% with Black Lagoon. Perfect for the block.
Well, Batman: The Brave and the Bold is just as mature as Sym-Bionic Titan and Thundercats (2011) (and it's a better show than them quality-wise, in my opinion) so I don't think there'd be a problem with them airing on Toonami if they can and wanted too.
Glad we both agree on Black Lagoon. :)
Well, the Toonami staff has confirmed that Soul Eater is replacing Samurai 7.
http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/44033680765/out-of-all-your-competition-back-in-the-day-who-do-you
I like how they seriously answered this question.
https://twitter.com/ToonamiNews/status/310783373788459008 - NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
...Looks like someone isn't a One Piece fan. :>
Anyway, there's lots of awesome Toonami news in my opinion!
Well, okay, there's some eh news. Samurai Jack can't come to Toonami until Boomerang stops airing it, and neither can any other action series Boomerang is already airing. This is only a bad thing because adding the show would help give the overplayed [adult swim] favorites a rest and allow for better rotation, but oh well. Young Justice and Green Lantern also won't be comming to Toonami, although maybe it will just take some time like Thundercats to be able to put them on there.
Anyway, on to the good news!
Here's the schedule for the 16th anniversary next week:
12:00AM - Bleach
12:30AM - Naruto
1:00AM - Evangelion 1.11 You Are (Not) Alone
3:30AM - Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
4:00AM - Cowboy Bebop
4:30AM - Cowboy Bebop
5:00AM - Inuyasha
5:30AM -Inuyasha
I've never seen any of the Evangelion movies before, so I'm pretty pumped for this, although the movie itself is a random choice to air on Toonami, seeing as how Evangelion has never...oops, never mind! 8)
T.O.M. 5.0 is on his way in April. He looks pretty cool, but I've been so used to 3/3.5 that it'll take some time getting used too.
Finally, One Piece is coming to Toonami! I know you guys don't like shonen, and the long-running Naruto and Bleach are already on the block, but I love One Piece and even Toei's lazy animation can't stop the show from being awesome (until the Marineford arc, at least).
I think that they'll add both One Piece and T.O.M 5.0 on the first week of April. Thundercats is finsihing it's run at the end of the month, after all, and they don't like to announce the new shows on Toonami too much in advance, so I doubt we'll have to wait until May for it.
I think the schedule will look like this:
12:00 Bleach
12:30 Naruto
1:00 One Piece
1:30 Soul Eater
2:00 Thundercats
2:30 Tenchi Muyo! GXP
3:00 Eureka 7
3:30 Symbionic Titan
4:00 Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
4:30 Cowboy Bebop or Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
5:00 Inuyasha
5:30 Inuyasha
Of course, if expansion will happen in April, I wouldn't know what to expect.
I personally see the acquisition of One Piece as smart, since the show isn't going to end for a LOOOOONNNNNNGGG time, so they'll always have a new episode, and potentially a forerunner, to show and get consistent ratings for them. The quality of the show is very consistent too, although Toei has become increasingly lazier with the show in recent years, but the story remains strong (with the exception of the underwhelming but okay Fishman Island arc). I think the show will get good ratings, and help push for expansion for the block by summer or so. With Bleach beating The Boondocks before it, now, that's definatley going to be something on the table. Anyway, great news for the block, and it really shows we've come a long way sicne May! ;D
Also, it's kinda neat to have all of the Shonen Jump Big 3 on one place on american television! :D
Quote from: Cartoon X on March 10, 2013, 12:51:03 PM
1:00AM - Evangelion 1.11 You Are (Not) Alone
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I do enjoy the earlier parts of One Piece, so this certainly isn't bad news. That said, I have grown really tired of the current manga and Oda's tendency to rely heavily on his own formulas, and to do nothing to evolve his characters (if anything, they feel like parodies of themselves at this point, over-exagerating comedic character traits that they only occasionally showed in the early parts of the story). That said, it doesn't really hamper the quality of the earlier stuff, which is obviously what Toonami will be airing.
Now, I presume that they will be using the FUNimation dub, since 4Kids hasn't owned the rights to One Piece for years, now. Hopefully that's the case, otherwise this addition to the block would be entirely pointless.
Also, while I'm not a huge One Piece fan, its certainly more entertaining than most of what's airing on the block, these days.
Meh, it was bound to happen eventually. I could never get into One Piece myself (and that was when I was younger, when I'd watch pretty much anything), but who knows, I might give it another look this time around.
What's shocking to me is the fact that they're already doing a re-brand. The block hasn't even been back a year; at this point, why?
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on March 10, 2013, 01:49:12 PM
Now, I presume that they will be using the FUNimation dub, since 4Kids hasn't owned the rights to One Piece for years, now.
Naw, it'll just be the 4Kids version again, since they already have the tapes. Convenience >>>>> quality. :happytime:
Well, now they have the big three. Honestly though, I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't do that well yet again. I just can't see the mainstream pick up on OP as much as its fanatics have.
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TOM 5.0
I'd be a lot happier if they got their hands on the new Sailor Moon.
Now that I would watch.
Quote from: Kiddington on March 10, 2013, 02:30:25 PM
I'd be a lot happier if they got their hands on the new Sailor Moon.
Now that I would watch.
We don't know what exactly that's going to be yet.
Quote from: Avaitor on March 10, 2013, 02:28:05 PM
Well, now they have the big three. Honestly though, I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't do that well yet again. I just can't see the mainstream pick up on OP as much as its fanatics have.
It's not like
One Piece did badly before, though. Cartoon Network was in it's get rid of anime phase back in 2008, and
One Piece wasn't a
Naruto size hit, so they dropped it just a little before they dropped that.
One Piece managed to last on the block for almost three years before, even when Cartoon Network was getting rid of other anime at the drop of a hat, so it clearly did well, but just wasn't a commerical phenomenon like
Naruto and
Dragonball Z were.
Quote from: Foggle on March 10, 2013, 02:27:22 PM
Naw, it'll just be the 4Kids version again, since they already have the tapes. Convenience >>>>> quality. :happytime:
They bothered to get new
Inuyasha tapes when they brought it back for Toonami. Besides, they know no one wants to watch the 4Kids version anyway. It's highly unlikely that they'd air the 4Kids version again.
I was just joking. :sweat:
Quote from: Lord Dalek on March 10, 2013, 02:33:15 PM
Quote from: Kiddington on March 10, 2013, 02:30:25 PM
I'd be a lot happier if they got their hands on the new Sailor Moon.
Now that I would watch.
We don't know what exactly that's going to be yet.
Yeah, I know... but when we do, I'm sure it would hold my interest better than the entirety of this lineup.
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Well, now they have the big three. Honestly though, I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't do that well yet again. I just can't see the mainstream pick up on OP as much as its fanatics have.
It's not like One Piece did badly before, though. Cartoon Network was in it's get rid of anime phase back in 2008, and One Piece wasn't a Naruto size hit, so they dropped it just a little before they dropped that. One Piece managed to last on the block for almost three years before, even when Cartoon Network was getting rid of other anime at the drop of a hat, so it clearly did well, but just wasn't a commerical phenomenon like Naruto and Dragonball Z were.
I know that One Piece wasn't exactly a bomb when it was on Toonami, but I always took it to be similar to how Dragon Ball didn't do nearly as well as DBZ did, in that American audiences prefer more action-oriented series as opposed to adventure-based shows, which is why Naruto did much better than OP.
I still think that's the case among the mainstream viewers who make Bleach and Naruto the block's biggest hits, but it remains to be seen.
BREAKING NEWS! New Hollywood dub of One Piece confirmed for Toonami:
Luffy - Johnny Depp
Nami - Christopher Walken
Zolo - Antonio Banderas
Usopp - Anthony Hopkins
Sanji - Robert Downey Jr.
Tony Tony Chopper - Betty White
Nico Robin - John Astin
Franky - Idris Elba
Brook - Steve Buscemi
I always saw Bobcat Goldthwait as Nami, personally.
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ONE ANNOUNCEMENT TO RULE THEM ALL
?And in the darkness, BIND THEM.
Hey guys! Below is the basic list of stuff we announced at Momocon.
1. In April (date tbd), we will premiere TOM 5, a new Absolution, and a new look for Toonami, including a new logo. Some of that stuff isn?t ready yet, so keep checking this blog and we?ll put up new stuff as we finish it. And no, still no Sara or Clydes? yet.
2. In the next couple of months we will premiere an online comic that will tell the story of How TOM 3 became TOM 4, how TOM 4 became TOM 3.5, where Sara and the Clydes are, and how we got TOM 5 and the new Absolution. We?ll offer more details on that when we have them.
3. Toonami will air One Piece this year. We?re not sure yet it if will replace Tenchi GXP or come in later, and we?re not sure where we will start in the episode order. We?ll let you know more in the coming months.
4. Next week, on Toonami?s birthday, we will be showing Evangelion 1.11 You Are [Not] Alone. The following week our schedule will return to normal (sorry, Soul Eater/Eureka/Sym-Bionic fans!). Schedule is posted below, scroll down to see it.
5. We were not able to make a promo for the Eva movie for various reasons, but that?s okay, we promise! It?s just a birthday present, not part of a larger series of ?movie nights.? We?re still exploring that.
6. There will be a few other goodies airing on our birthday, so don?t miss it! And no? NO HINTS. You gotta watch! :)
7. We are still exploring short series to air, short series fans, so we?ll let you know if and when we have announcements in that area!
8. Video of the Toonami Momocon panel, as well as some interviews, were shot by the Toonami Faithful crew and will be up soon!
9. Thanks to Chad Bonin for inviting us to the panel, moderating and being a cool dude.
10. We love you!
HEY GUYS
INUYASHA
Nobody was talking about it.
But I suppose that's expected. :sweat:
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on March 10, 2013, 05:08:42 PM
Nobody was talking about it.
But I suppose that's expected. :sweat:
Why would anybody be talking about it? I don't hate the anime or anything, but it's old news and reruns for the block to use. Although I do wonder, with the acquisition of
One Piece, if Toonami's budget is big enough to acquire
Inuyasha: The Final Act, soon.
Quote from: Avaitor on March 10, 2013, 02:28:05 PM
Well, now they have the big three.
TOM 5.0
They have the rights to Toriko now?
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HEY GUYS
INUYASHA
best anime evar.
NO WAI BLEACH IS!!1! :anger:
My guess is their just using the redesign as a way of showing bringing Toonami back wasn't pointless.
Quote from: Daxdiv on March 10, 2013, 06:13:52 PM
They have the rights to Toriko now?
No. It's the original Big Three:
Naruto,
Bleach, and
One Piece.
Quote from: Graywulf on March 10, 2013, 06:16:38 PM
My guess is their just using the redesign as a way of showing bringing Toonami back wasn't pointless.
Well, it wasn't. The ratings for the anime block have gone up significantly, and the rotation of new shows, whether you like them or not, has increased as well.
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INUYASHA
best anime evar.
NO WAI BLEACH IS!!1! :anger:
:swoon:
Guys, you're all being childish and steering this topic away from what truly matters. We all know the true best anime is Bakemonogatari.
No, Umineko.
Honestly, I still wouldn't mind Toonami getting to re-air some of the classic shows that did well on that block, at least ones that they could probably afford, like YYH and such (I'd also say Rurouni Kenshin, but being that Media Blasters lost the licensing rights to that show recently, I suppose that its kind of in limbo right now). Yeah, sure, all of you are going to say "but they already aired those old shows years ago and there's no point in airing them now," to which I would wholly disagree with, since by now there is practically a whole new generation of people watching Toonami who probably never saw some of the older stuff. Besides, a good show is a good show, and personally at this point I wouldn't mind watching some of that old stuff as opposed to what's on the block now.
Of course, that's not like I'm saying that they should just stick to classics. I like that they actually try to air new stuff, its just that most of what they're airing right now just isn't that interesting, IMO. I still think it'd be awesome if Toonami could license Black Lagoon, as well. Full Metal Panic! The Second Raid would be another good catch, which I think FUNimation currently holds the right to since ADV went under (I may be wrong, though), and it couldn't be that expensive to acquire as that series has been out for years, and wasn't exactly one of the best sellers out there to begin with.
Also, as far as One Piece goes, as I said I'm not a huge fan of it, but I still enjoy the early stuff well enough that I'd probably give it a watch if I ever remember when its on. Its at least more than I could say for any of the other shonen airing on that block, right now.
hey
do u guys think inuyasha shuld end up wit kagome or kikio lol?
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on March 10, 2013, 06:31:28 PM
hey
do u guys think inuyasha shuld end up wit kagome or kikio lol?
No way! Naraku x InuYasha all the way! Yay for man-on-main pairs! :joy:
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hey
do u guys think inuyasha shuld end up wit kagome or kikio lol?
No way! Naraku x InuYasha all the way! Yay for man-on-main pairs! :joy:
...Sesshoumaru x Inuyasha. Brotherly love is the one true love.
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hey
do u guys think inuyasha shuld end up wit kagome or kikio lol?
No way! Naraku x InuYasha all the way! Yay for man-on-main pairs! :joy:
It's all about Kagome x Kikyo bitches. 8)
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on March 10, 2013, 06:31:28 PM
hey
do u guys think inuyasha shuld end up wit kagome or kikio lol?
This doesn't work as a joke anymore. Kikyo dies. Inuyasha ends up with Kagome. No more debates.
I would pitch a better one, but I stay the hell away from rabid fandoms of shonen series, so I wouldn't have the pleasure of knowing any of their stupid little shipping arguments. ;)
I would ask when Naraku would eventually die, but I always thought he was a lousy villain who overstayed his welcome really fast and I stopped caring long ago.
Honestly, I just felt it time for some Inuyasha fandom nostalgia.
Quote from: Cartoon X on March 10, 2013, 06:21:08 PM
Quote from: Graywulf on March 10, 2013, 06:16:38 PM
My guess is their just using the redesign as a way of showing bringing Toonami back wasn't pointless.
Well, it wasn't. The ratings for the anime block have gone up significantly, and the rotation of new shows, whether you like them or not, has increased as well.
I wasn't complaining about Toonami being pointless. I was referring to other people who think bringing it back was pointless.
Quote from: Cartoon X on March 10, 2013, 06:39:47 PM
I would pitch a better one, but I stay the hell away from rabid fandoms of shonen series, so I wouldn't have the pleasure of knowing any of their stupid little shipping arguments. ;)
ICHIRUKI AND NARUSAKU 4LIFE! :swoon:
NamiLuffy 4 realz yo.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on March 10, 2013, 06:29:17 PM
Honestly, I still wouldn't mind Toonami getting to re-air some of the classic shows that did well on that block, at least ones that they could probably afford, like YYH and such (I'd also say Rurouni Kenshin, but being that Media Blasters lost the licensing rights to that show recently, I suppose that its kind of in limbo right now). Yeah, sure, all of you are going to say "but they already aired those old shows years ago and there's no point in airing them now," to which I would wholly disagree with, since by now there is practically a whole new generation of people watching Toonami who probably never saw some of the older stuff. Besides, a good show is a good show, and personally at this point I wouldn't mind watching some of that old stuff as opposed to what's on the block now.
Of course, that's not like I'm saying that they should just stick to classics. I like that they actually try to air new stuff, its just that most of what they're airing right now just isn't that interesting, IMO. I still think it'd be awesome if Toonami could license Black Lagoon, as well. Full Metal Panic! The Second Raid would be another good catch, which I think FUNimation currently holds the right to since ADV went under (I may be wrong, though), and it couldn't be that expensive to acquire as that series has been out for years, and wasn't exactly one of the best sellers out there to begin with.
Yeah, I agree. I definately wouldn't mind "classic" shows, as long as they're good. Although, the Toonami tumblr explained that
Rurouni Kenshin was dropped because it didn't do very well in ratings, and the licensing limbo puts another barrier on it apperaing on the block as well. Definatley agree on
Black Lagoon, and I've been interested in
Fullmetal Panic!, and I'm sure there are plenty of "new" shows Toonami can and should air as well (*cough*
Baccano! *cough*). They are still trying to acquire shorter series, and
One Piece isn't
Tenchi Muyo! GXP's planned replacement, so we might get suprised by a different show in May that, hopefully, won't be another shonen series. All in all, though, I think Toonami is doing really well and I enjoy it when I stay up past the
Bleach/Naruto hour, so I'm content, although they can always do better.
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INUYASHA
best anime evar.
NO WAI BLEACH IS!!1! :anger:
:swoon:
Guys, you're all being childish and steering this topic away from what truly matters. We all know the true best anime is Bakemonogatari.
No, Umineko.
Guys Guys, this whole debate is pointless.
We all know the best anime evar is Reki Kawahara's modern masterpiece: Sword Art Online.
That shit needs to be on the Top 65 list ASAP.
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Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on March 10, 2013, 04:58:50 PM
INUYASHA
best anime evar.
NO WAI BLEACH IS!!1! :anger:
:swoon:
Guys, you're all being childish and steering this topic away from what truly matters. We all know the true best anime is Bakemonogatari.
No, Umineko.
Guys Guys, this whole debate is pointless.
We all know the best anime evar is Kazuma Kamachi's modern masterpiece: Raildex.
That shit needs to be on the Top 65 list ASAP.
I agree.
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Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on March 10, 2013, 04:58:50 PM
INUYASHA
best anime evar.
NO WAI BLEACH IS!!1! :anger:
:swoon:
Guys, you're all being childish and steering this topic away from what truly matters. We all know the true best anime is Bakemonogatari.
No, Umineko.
Guys Guys, this whole debate is pointless.
We all know the best anime evar is Jun Maeda's modern masterpiece: Little Busters!
That shit needs to be on the Top 65 list ASAP.
I agree.
Same.
Been looking through this recent conversation, didn't see this post until now.
Quote from: Cartoon X on February 02, 2013, 10:35:23 PM
I don't know if you guys like Soul Eater or not, since it's, you know, shonen, (I'm sure that Foggle hates it)
Oh c'mon, I haven't talked about hating shounen since, like, 2009. I've gotten much smarter since then. :sweat:
Yes, now he only merely hates 99% of all shonen, which is the way it should be. ;)
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on March 10, 2013, 06:42:38 PM
I would ask when Naraku would eventually die, but I always thought he was a lousy villain who overstayed his welcome really fast and I stopped caring long ago.
I like Naraku, but I agree Takahashi definatley could have made a better job of making him more interesting and exploring his hatred of his human side and his character flaws. His subordiantes and random minor villains often ended up having stronger personalities than him, which is kind of lame, really.
Quote from: Foggle on March 10, 2013, 07:25:53 PM
Oh c'mon, I haven't talked about hating shounen since, like, 2009. I've gotten much smarter since then. :sweat:
Oops, sorry about that. :sweat:
Since no one's commented on it yet, I'll say that I like TOM 5.0's looks, his symbol could be bigger, and should be in the middle of his chest, but other than that he looks much better than 3/3.5.
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hey
do u guys think inuyasha shuld end up wit kagome or kikio lol?
No way! Naraku x InuYasha all the way! Yay for man-on-main pairs! :joy:
...Sesshoumaru x Inuyasha. Brotherly love is the one true love.
Nahhhh
Destiel>Wincest
Quote from: Kiddington on March 10, 2013, 02:26:31 PMWhat's shocking to me is the fact that they're already doing a re-brand. The block hasn't even been back a year; at this point, why?
If you really think about it, the version of Toonami we're watching right now is nearly 9 years old. They're recycling the bumps that were around from 2004-2007. When Toonami was revived, the bumps were already long stale. They could really use a touch-up without repeating the same blunder that was their 10th anniversary.
Suggestion:
Why not air an hour of One Piece? There's more than enough episodes to do this with that they won't need to put the show on hiatus for a while, and this way it won't take nearly as long to air a fair share of the show. If it means cutting off a Cowboy Bebop repeat or something, go for it. I think the block can handle one less Bebop episode each week.
For all we know, we may actually get an hour of OP after all. I'd certaintly take the loss of one of Bebops slots if it meant going through OP faster.
See, I think this is why people want an expansion for the block. It'd be a lot easier to do stuff like that.
Well, things could be worse.
Spoiler
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi31.tinypic.com%2Fzlch37.jpg&hash=6a295ce4552fe2237bdafa8060416f67ea66e553)
Quote from: Avaitor on March 10, 2013, 09:55:44 PM
Suggestion:
Why not air an hour of One Piece? There's more than enough episodes to do this with that they won't need to put the show on hiatus for a while, and this way it won't take nearly as long to air a fair share of the show. If it means cutting off a Cowboy Bebop repeat or something, go for it. I think the block can handle one less Bebop episode each week.
It'd be an issue of how much it costs to air two episodes of week. The reason they don't have double
Naruto or
Bleach now is because it's too expensive for them to air two episodes a week of either of them. Double
Cowboy Bebop and
Inuyasha, for some reason or another, is less expensive for them, which is why Toonami has hour blocks of both shows. Besides, double
One Piece would take up the entire 1am hour without expansion, and they still want to air shorter series, but it'd be stupid of them to do so any later than 2am. Despite how long
One Piece is, one episode a week is probably what they are going to do with it until the block expands and/or the budget increases.
I think double OP is a possibility at this point since the budget has been increased, there are a buttload of more episodes of it than Shippuden-less Naruto, and they have a considerable amount of time more to play catch-up with than they do for Bleach, since they're starting so late in the show's run. And there is enough room to add more of the show in and still air other new series, if we drop an episode or two of their heavily repeated series, or if Toonami does get that expansion. Not to mention that the ratings have been shown to stay surprisingly consistent all night (GXP seems to be doing better at 3 am than it did at 12:30, for whatever reason), so adding in something new at 2 or later may not be that awful of an idea.
The only question is how much has their budget increased? Obviously Toonami can afford a bigger series like One Piece now, and we're getting a necessary rebrand, along with a high possibility of SARA returning. Is there enough left to air more than one episode of the show seems to be the next big question.
While airing an hour of One Piece might be a possibility, I figure they might want to test the waters first and see what kinds of ratings single episodes of One Piece will get. As far as I know, One Piece has a strong cult following among North American fans on the Internet, but I'm not sure if that'll translate well enough into TV ratings. The thing is, there are still a lot of people who'd never even give One Piece a chance simply because they hate its art-style, and to be fair those who also hate shonen in general wouldn't find much in One Piece to convince them otherwise, but for those who enjoy stuff like Naruto and Bleach, I think they'd get plenty of mileage out of OP, since it really comes down to the same generic kind of stuff when you get down to it.
Talking about airing 1-hour blocks of a single show reminds me of how Toonami used to do that for DBZ....except that was on a DAILY basis with 2 episodes airing back-to-back every weekday from Monday to Friday. Man, those were the days. :swoon:
Its not going to work because only fanboys like the show. The manga doesn't sell (only two volumes in the top 50 last year, and both scraping the bottom at that), the merchandise (when they were doing it) never sold, and it putting it on at 2 AM will not create some sort of magical awareness.
Time to face facts... this show failed.... twice, and there just isn't enough of an audience keeping it from failing a third time.
Probably, but I'd still rather watch this than any of the other shonen on the block right now....which isn't saying much, but still, its at least something that I can mildly enjoy.
Also, I thought it was getting the 1:00 AM time-slot. :-\
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Also, I thought it was getting the 1:00 AM time-slot. :-\
Same difference.
Quote from: Lord Dalek on March 11, 2013, 10:31:50 AM
Time to face facts... this show failed.... twice, and there just isn't enough of an audience keeping it from failing a third time.
And as hopeful as I've been trying to be, this is what I've thought the whole time. Pretty much anyone who would watch Toonami this late at night and would be interested in One Piece is already a fan, and probably has it on DVD. New fans will likely come, but I think the goofy look the show has just won't cut it for a lot of viewers.
OP might just not appeal to most Americans.
Well, when you think about it, that's probably why it was even affordable for Toonami in the first place. Clearly they don't have a budget for some of the more popular titles out there, so whether this show even has a chance of surviving on the block or not (and I admit its a pretty slim chance at that) really depends somewhat on how they advertise it (and I doubt they'll try to advertise it at all), and more-so on how much the fan-boys support it. To be fair, there are quite a lot more OP fanboys on the Internet than some of you guys might think, but that said, only a fraction of them would probably bother to catch the show on TV, anyways.
Either way, its not like there were too many other options for Toonami to choose from. Clearly they're trying their best to change things up, but obviously they don't have the budget to get much better shows that would have a better chance of becoming popular. In all fairness, though, having such a late time-slot kind of dooms the block, to begin with.
Well with Toonami having One Piece, this means that they have what, a decade's worth of material to show that could easily go to something else that's more worthy of a try for the block, with considerably less episodes. And even if the show isn't as big in the US as it is in Japan, I'd still think that it would be more expensive to air than most anime, considering that it is still fairly popular and that Toei is very picky.
It seems like a rather poor choice the more I think about it.
If I had to guess, I'd say they chose One Piece so they'd have a long-running shounen to fall-back on once Bleach ends sometime next year, and people have been demanding OP to return to Toonami ever since it came back, so they probably figured "why not" and gave OP a second chance.
I agree that there are much better choices than OP overall.
One Piece is never going to be a success here, but considering what they could be showing instead of it I'd just be grateful it's airing at all.
But it would benefit them to try to give this show a proper shot with the mainstream after a good time away from it so it might do a bit better than usual. But it obviously won't be a Bleach or Inuyasha-style success, but it's starting to become more and more obvious that there will never be another hit anime airing out of CN.
Well the anime industry has really turned to shit in the past few years, and I doubt too many titles will turn into hits over here. If a series didn't already have a strong fanbase to begin with, that more than likely won't change.
One Piece fairs better than most, but it's still the worst-performing of the big 3 stateside.
Quote from: Avaitor on March 11, 2013, 10:27:43 PM
Well with Toonami having One Piece, this means that they have what, a decade's worth of material to show that could easily go to something else that's more worthy of a try for the block, with considerably less episodes. And even if the show isn't as big in the US as it is in Japan, I'd still think that it would be more expensive to air than most anime, considering that it is still fairly popular and that Toei is very picky.
It seems like a rather poor choice the more I think about it.
Eh, Are you sure its really all that expensive for them to acquire? I figured that FUNimation, who has the distribution rights to One Piece over here in the states, would let Toonami air it for relatively cheap. I don't really know exactly how the pricing works, but I have a feeling that FUNimation has more of an influence of how much it costs to air OP over here than Toei does. Besides, being that One Piece isn't that huge of a success in any country outside of Japan (at least not that I know of), its possible that Toei doesn't charge all that much for licensing fees. But once again, maybe I'm wrong about that.
I'm not 100% sure how distribution works either, but I know that ever since 4Piece happened, Toei has been more hands-on about how their shows are distributed ever since. This probably includes pricing, as well.
Quote from: Lord Dalek on March 11, 2013, 10:31:50 AM
Its not going to work because only fanboys like the show. The manga doesn't sell (only two volumes in the top 50 last year, and both scraping the bottom at that), the merchandise (when they were doing it) never sold, and it putting it on at 2 AM will not create some sort of magical awareness.
Time to face facts... this show failed.... twice, and there just isn't enough of an audience keeping it from failing a third time.
One Piece is an uncontestable commercial failure in the U.S., but it did just fine in
ratings back when it was on Cartoon Network. Heck, they re-ran the series frequently in
good timeslots outside of Toonami until early 2007, and in the end Cartoon Network, between May 2005 through March 2008, aired all 104 episodes of the 4Kids dub and 24 episodes of the FUNimation dub, and never tried to burn off episodes in dead slots like what they did to
Yu Yu Hakusho and
Gundam Seed. And this was back when Cartoon Network wasn't afraid to pull anime series from their air at the drop of a hat if they weren't satisfied with the ratings, like
Zatch Bell.
One Piece may never have sold well in merchandise, but honestly, what other anime on Toonami really did except for
Naruto and
Dragonball Z?
I don't think anyone expects
One Piece to get higher ratings than what
Bleach is getting, but I don't think it'll be a ratings flop either. I do think it will average over a million viewers, and keep that consistently, which is why I don't think there isn't any problem for Toonami airing it.
Sweet-ass EVA promo just before the premiere! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0E2IiiwpoX4)
Quote from: Daikun on March 15, 2013, 09:46:11 PM
Sweet-ass EVA promo just before the premiere! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0E2IiiwpoX4)
Wow. Awesome they could make one at the last minute! I dare say that's a better promo than FUNimation's own trailer for the movie. The fact that it's nearly two minutes long is great too. ;D
Can't wait to watch this movie tomorrow. :)
So, I did actually manage to catch the movie last night. I had watched about half of it before this point, but never finished it, so this is the first time I got to see it in full. Overall, it was OK, but I just can't really see the point in it as it was just a re-tread of stuff from the TV series with better animation. Only very few scenes were original material to the movie, which made it seem kind of like a cash-in more than a remake of the story. That said, to be fair, it was still good material that was adapted, so I enjoyed the movie for what it was. I'd like it if the 2nd movie and subsequent Eva movies have more to differentiate them from the TV series, however, and branch off to some radically new material that gives their existence an actual purpose to them.
The second differentiates more from the source material, and in very nice ways. It's a lot better than the first and totally worth watching. I'm still waiting for 3.33 to come out before I see the third, though.
I think 1.11 remains so faithful to the first few episodes because the show started off with Anno's vision down almost perfectly. Things didn't start to go haphazard until a little after Gainax went along.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on March 17, 2013, 02:05:09 PMSo, I did actually manage to catch the movie last night. I had watched about half of it before this point, but never finished it, so this is the first time I got to see it in full. Overall, it was OK, but I just can't really see the point in it as it was just a re-tread of stuff from the TV series with better animation. Only very few scenes were original material to the movie, which made it seem kind of like a cash-in more than a remake of the story.
Mr. Anno is making these movies for a reason: He fucked up the first time and he's correcting his mistakes. (Think George Lucas, only with talent.)
When the original
NGE was in production, Anno dealt with crippling depression and a shriveled budget, which badly affected the latter half of the series (and, by extension,
End of Evangelion). A lot of time has passed since then; he's over his depression now and is happily married.
Now that he's feeling better, he wants to tell the story as he originally wanted to intend it. He didn't want to deal with all that busy work of making 26 half-hour episodes all over again, so he went the movie route, which is more time-effective and provides a bigger budget.
Maybe so, but I'll have to see the 2nd and 3rd movies to see what Anno's "true vision" for this series was. I was just commenting on how the first film was really faithful to the beginning of the TV series, but Avaitor already gave me a good explanation for that.
The second movie basically makes most of the second half of the series redundant. Every change in that is for the better.
Quote from: Daikun on March 17, 2013, 06:54:18 PM
Mr. Anno is making these movies for a reason: He fucked up the first time and he's correcting his mistakes. (Think George Lucas, only with talent.)
When the original NGE was in production, Anno dealt with crippling depression and a shriveled budget, which badly affected the latter half of the series (and, by extension, End of Evangelion). A lot of time has passed since then; he's over his depression now and is happily married.
Now that he's feeling better, he wants to tell the story as he originally wanted to intend it. He didn't want to deal with all that busy work of making 26 half-hour episodes all over again, so he went the movie route, which is more time-effective and provides a bigger budget.
I take it you haven't seen 3.0 yet.
1.1 = really good
2.2 = FRICKEN A-MAY-ZING
3.0 = ..................................why god... why?
Quote from: Lord Dalek on March 17, 2013, 07:49:50 PM
1.1 = really good
2.2 = FRICKEN A-MAY-ZING
3.0 = ..................................why god... why?
Indeed. If 3.0 really is closer to Anno's original vision than NGE was, then I dare say that Anno's original vision was fairly shit.
Quote from: Foggle on March 17, 2013, 07:59:44 PM
Quote from: Lord Dalek on March 17, 2013, 07:49:50 PM
1.1 = really good
2.2 = FRICKEN A-MAY-ZING
3.0 = ..................................why god... why?
Indeed. If 3.0 really is closer to Anno's original vision than NGE was, then I dare say that Anno's original vision was fairly shit.
See the thing is I thought we already got his "original vision" (you know... before they ran out of money) with End of Eva, so why are they doing this completely different BS ending? IT MAK-AH NO SENSE!
According to this, they may NOT start over from the beginning. They might pick up where they left off or go to season 4.
Link: http://toonamialliance.wordpress.com/?p=93&preview=true
A good idea, if true. I watched One Piece from the beginning around last year, so I don't mind if they pick up at Skypeia again.
Eh, This actually may not be a very good idea, IMO. There are going to be a ton of viewers who've never watched OP before, and while you could chalk it up to them just not being interested in the series at all, what I do know for certain is starting OP in a much later arc of the story will completely alienate any potential newcomers to the series, and will basically only appeal to its core fans, of whom only SOME will actually watch the show as it airs on TV. In other words, starting OP with the Skypiea arc will pretty much ensure that it'll get as little viewers as possible.
Quote from: Peanutbutter on March 19, 2013, 09:01:49 PMhttp://toonamialliance.wordpress.com/?p=93&preview=true
APRIL?!?
Wow, they're really rushing into this, aren't they? We just barely started
Soul Eater and they're starting this so soon? Shouldn't we at least get some breathier room and plan ahead first? You know, wait for
GXP to at least finish or see if you can plan an expansion?
No? Okay, then...
Quote from: Daikun on March 19, 2013, 10:20:23 PM
APRIL?!?
Wow, they're really rushing into this, aren't they? We just barely started Soul Eater and they're starting this so soon? Shouldn't we at least get some breathier room and plan ahead first? You know, wait for GXP to at least finish or see if you can plan an expansion?
No? Okay, then...
According to the Toonami tumblr,
One Piece has not been confirmed to air in April. It is being considered as a
possible time they may choose to begin it.
Personally, I would love for
One Piece to begin broadcasting on the same date as the rebrand, but I would also prefer, if extension is not possible (and upon reflecting, it probably isnt), if they waited until
Tenchi Muyo! GXP ends before adding both. I think this is the route they might choose to go with. Of course, I would also be alright if they choose to replace GXP with it's original replacement series and instead delay
One Piece to a later date (as long as that other series is GOOD, of course).
In other news, the
Evangelion movie seems to have done very well last week. Both Rebuild movies were the top two anime titles on Amazon.com after the broadcast, and apparently it tripled the 18-49 demographic ratings vs the same time last year, which is neat.
Source: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2013/03/19/weekly-ratings-notes-for-adult-swim-cartoon-network-tbs-tnt-trutv-cougar-town-dallas-southland-lizard-lick-towing-nba-basketball-more/173997/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Tvbythenumbers+%28TVbytheNumbers%29
I have a feeling that Toonami will air the second Rebuild movie at some point now. Heck, maybe before 2013 even finishes!
Quote from: Cartoon X on March 20, 2013, 10:19:51 PMPersonally, I would love for One Piece to begin broadcasting on the same date as the rebrand
A bit of an update on that.
The lineup will not change when TOM 5 debuts. (http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/46155678586/in-april-will-we-get-a-new-line-up-with-the-new-tom)Edit: The post below knocks that out the window. :>
Relaunch begins on April 27th, with the return of a Toonami classic. (http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/46385114366/april-27th-why-should-you-care-about-april-27th#_=_)
IGPX ain't no classic.
You'd rather it be D.I.C.E?
Honestly not interested, but sweet for the fans.
Quote from: Rynnec on March 26, 2013, 09:04:06 PM
You'd rather it be D.I.C.E?
I'd rather it not be a show that aired in the period when I called Toonami a failed experiment.
It's pretty impressive that they managed to get another Bandai show, even after their closure. And CN had sold the show off, too, so it seemed like all hope was lost.
I'm surprised that they actually went an extra mile instead of just picking up more FUNi shows for the rest of the year.
I really hope this leads to Toonami branching out after One Piece starts airing. Maybe try to grab something from Aniplex or one of the relatively new companies following the crash from a few years ago. They can't rely on FUNi's back catalog forever.
Quote from: Lord Dalek on March 26, 2013, 09:36:29 PM
I'd rather it not be a show that aired in the period when I called Toonami a failed experiment.
IGPX was pretty good, from what I remember. I don't see why it shouldn't be aired just because it was originally broadcast during a particularily subpar era of Toonami.
I'm pretty happy about this news, mainly because it's something new for me to watch (as I never saw the entire series and it was so long ago that I barely remember any of what I did watch). Toonami just keeps getting better and better in my opinion, even if I dont particuarily enjoy the first hour of the block myself. With this unlikely suprise, I wonder if they'll re-air
Big O season 1 sometime soon. That'd be sweet.
I actually never even watched IGPX when it was on. The whole concept of using giant robots to race never really made much sense to me. That said, maybe I'll go ahead and give it a look now that its returning again, just for the hell of it.
Early look at the new TOM and Absolution. (http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/47712555759/april-27th-tom-5-is-coming)
EDIT: Here's a slightly brightened image (https://twitter.com/yuyubrotherhood/status/322481258821193728/photo/1) with a better look of the bridge.
It's been confirmed One Piece will start airing on Toonami on May 18th at 1am, starting with episode 207, which is the beginning of the Davy Back Fight arc and it's fourth season.
Source: http://www.funimation.com/rojas/blog/one-piece-to-join-toonami-block-starting-may-18/7611279
Personally, I'm not sure if this is a good idea. The Davy Back Fight arc is fun, but as a starting point it would confuse too many new viewers and it isn't particularily engaging in many parts. A better choice would have been either starting from Ocean's Dream (episode 219) or just right at the beginning of Water 7 itself (226). Hopefully starting at Davy Back Fight won't completley alienate viewers, and the show does well.
The show probably wouldn't do good in ratings, either way, but if nothing else I'll definitely be watching it now that the English dub is starting off from where I left off on it. I would, of course, rather it start from the Water Seven arc as well, but if the Dub can cover all of the way up through Enies Lobby, than that would be awesome, being that EL is probably my favorite arc in the series. After that, Thriller Bark, Impel Down, and Marineford are also good, but I doubt the English dub will make it that far for a long while (and maybe even not at all, as I don't think that OP sells all that well for FUNimation, despite the quality effort that they put into it).
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on April 13, 2013, 01:50:15 PM
The show probably wouldn't do good in ratings, either way, but if nothing else I'll definitely be watching it now that the English dub is starting off from where I left off on it.
One Piece didn't do awful in ratings when it was on Cartoon Network. I'm not sure how well it will do, but I believe that it can at least get over a million consistently, at least once they start airing Water 7+Enies Lobby.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on April 13, 2013, 01:50:15 PM
I don't think that OP sells all that well for FUNimation, despite the quality effort that they put into it.
If it wasn't selling for them they would have dropped it already. They've had no qualms with dropping other long running series before, as this
Case Closed, Sgt. Frog, and
Shin Chan fan can tell you. Also it's one of the top 5 anime on Hulu, so it's moderately popular at the least.
One Piece will probably do better than Soul Eater. Whether it can get Naruto and Bleach size ratings is another matter.
Quote from: Rynnec on April 13, 2013, 04:52:11 PM
One Piece will probably do better than Soul Eater. Whether it can get Naruto and Bleach size ratings is another matter.
I doubt it.
One Piece never achieved
Naruto size ratings on Cartoon Network, but it did do well enough to be kept around until it was already decided Toonami would be cancelled. So doing better than
Soul Eater's average would be just fine, since that show does around a million usually. Of course, it's really a matter of viewer retention. Right now,
Soul Eater seems to lose 150-200,000 viewers from
Naruto. I'd hope
One Piece would only lose around 100,000 or even less, but as long as it doesn't drop more than 250,000 viewers from
Naruto it'll be fine.
Well, tonight is the night the new look premieres. Wonder how the new format's going to be like. I might stay up for the first 2.5 hours just to catch IGPX and get the feel of the new look.
Man, it's hard to believe that it's almost been a year already since Toonami came back. They've come a long way, and the future looks bright. With Bleach and Naruto surpassing or matching the Black Dynamite and The Boondocks ratings before them, expansion also seems to be in the cards soon too.
For anyone interested, Ishtar over at Toonzone made an archive of every Saturday night Toonami lineup since the block was relegated to Saturdays on April 17 2004. ALL OF THEM. It's worth checking out if you want to glance at older times and see how the block has changed over the years.
http://itachiishtar.tumblr.com/ToonamiSchedules
I'm still enjoying Soul Eater. Something about the protagonists makes them enjoyable unlike other anime series out there where they can be too obnoxious. It helps too that it doesn't take anything too seriously, and the humor is funny.
I have to say, I watched all of IGPX back when it came on, but I don't like it. I don't hate it either, but its one of a few shows I can say didn't click with me. I liked the initial shorts where the robots fought each other, but I found the series generic and too filled up with Sports Team Show cliches. That being said, if Toonami still does well and expands I hope someday we might can see them take another crack at an original series.
And I still wouldn't mind seeing Megas XLR again.
Eh, it was okay. At least Sara's back, so I had something of a nostalgia blast again, for one night anyway.
Judging by my Twitter feed, you'd think IGPX was the GREATEST FUCKING SHOW IN THE UNIVERSE ALSO PETER CULLEN'S HERE AND SAYS STUFF AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH, but honestly... I dunno. It was okay I guess. Didn't really blow me away or anything. Guess I probably should give it a couple more kicks at the can before passing final judgement, though.
I dunno, man. I'm just not feeling the Toonami comeback like I thought I would. I guess the AFD stunt and subsequent excitement was just the nostalgia talking more than anything. I try to watch this block, but I just can't get into any of this stuff (unless I feel like combing over Bebop for the millionth time, but that only goes so far). Meh. :??:
Like Eureka 7, IGPX was boring when it originally aired and it's boring now. Never understood where the heaps of praise come from.
I'm starting to believe that most people who watch Toonami don't really care if the show is actually good so much as it has TOM and the Absolution in-between. IGPX was always a boring show and no amount of marketing will change that.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on April 28, 2013, 03:29:28 PM
I'm starting to believe that most people who watch Toonami don't really care if the show is actually good so much as it has TOM and the Absolution in-between. IGPX was always a boring show and no amount of marketing will change that.
Pretty much.
I love TOM and I think it's cool that Sara's back, but I haven't cared in a while.
IGPX was crap when it aired. I don't think 7 years of being locked up in rights hell has improved its smell.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on April 28, 2013, 03:29:28 PM
I'm starting to believe that most people who watch Toonami don't really care if the show is actually good so much as it has TOM and the Absolution in-between. IGPX was always a boring show and no amount of marketing will change that.
IGPX has always had its fans though. Same with Eureka 7. Deadman, S7, and GXP are more peculiar though.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on April 28, 2013, 03:29:28 PM
I'm starting to believe that most people who watch Toonami don't really care if the show is actually good so much as it has TOM and the Absolution in-between. IGPX was always a boring show and no amount of marketing will change that.
I love Toonami, and think they have done a great job in livening up the action/anime lineup so much under a year's time, and think they are going in solid direction. That said, I don't watch Toonami every week, and I only watch what I like. I have no intention of watching shows I do not like on Toonami, which is why I don't watch
Bleach,
Naruto, or
Tenchi GXP (I did try to keep up with those last two for a couple weeks before jumping ship, though). As it stands now, I only watch
Soul Eater,
Thundercats, and
IGPX on Toonami, because I do like the first two (most of the time, anyway) and I haven't seen
IGPX before and from that first episode it looks to be decent enough for me to give it a few more episodes.
When they were on, I did watch
Casshern Sins, and
Samurai 7 because I liked them and thought they were decent shows. I'm honestly surprised by most of the hate and criticism for
Samurai 7 because while it wasn't necessarily top tier material for me personally, it was still an action-packed and engaging show that was fun to keep up with. As for
Casshern Sins, I ended up not watching a lot of the episodes, but the ones I did watch weren't bad at all and a couple of them were mildly touching. The only show on Toonami that I didn't like but watched anyway was
Deadman Wonderland because my brother liked it and the show was fun in a "over-the-top melodramatic" sort of way.
Quote from: Rynnec on April 28, 2013, 04:07:02 PM
IGPX has always had its fans though. Same with Eureka 7. Deadman, S7, and GXP are more peculiar though.
From what I can see, people like
Deadman Wonderland because it's violence is over the top and they get a kick out of the gore.
Samurai 7 is a solid show, and I still an not sure why it has so many haters even if it made the questionable decision to remake Kurosawa's masterpiece with Samurai v. Giant Robot battles.
Tenchi Muyo! GXP...yeah, I'm not sure why people would keep up with that show, like at all. It's not funny, it's not action-packed, it's not interesting, it doesn't have good characters, it's just dull. It's not
Wulin Warriors or
D.I.C.E bad, but it's mediocre at best. The only redeeming factor it has is that it gets good ratings for it's timeslot which helps keep the second half of the block solid in the ratings most weeks.
I truly think most people who watch Toonami are actually casual viewers. I do not see hardcore anime fans caring about Toonami all that much. Most of the anime fans that I know in real life do not watch Toonami. A lot of them still didn't know it was back until I mentioned it to them. I think it's fair to assume that the hardcore viewer base of Toonami is relatively small compared to the casual viewer base, and Toonami has succeeded in capturing the interest of this latter group. It might not be the Toonami brand itself that interests them, but the shows and packaging together seem to do the job of getting casual viewers to stick around longer and check out the shows. I would say that
Cowboy Bebop and
InuYasha reruns have been performing solidly, surprisingly so, for this reason. While I know there are a lot of diligent Toonami fans who take the six hour challenge every night ( my little brother is one of them), I still think that most people who watch Toonami are casual viewers who don't really care about anime or Toonami so much as the shows they find to be "good" and like to watch.
I personally found Samurai 7 to be rather dull and boring. It had its charm, but it wasn't really anything to write home about. A show about Samurai vs Mecha should not be that dull.
I think you're right on the money on most of Toonami's audience being casual viewers.
I'd actually love to watch IGPX and Sym-bionic Titan again.
What I can't wrap my head around is how people could sit through an hour of Bleach and Naruto.
Quote from: Rosalinas Spare Wand on May 05, 2013, 01:04:27 AM
I'd actually love to watch IGPX and Sym-bionic Titan again.
What I can't wrap my head around is how people could sit through an hour of Bleach and Naruto.
Because... I don't even know. Ask Sketch or Tactless about that.
It helps that I play Dota 2 or Team Fortress 2 when those two are on. But that's just me.
Quote from: Daxdiv on May 05, 2013, 01:41:28 AM
It helps that I play Dota 2 or Team Fortress 2 when those two are on. But that's just me.
I don't know. If you have to keep yourself busy in order to watch a show, then is it really worth it to watch the show to begin with?
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on May 05, 2013, 01:43:33 AM
Quote from: Daxdiv on May 05, 2013, 01:41:28 AM
It helps that I play Dota 2 or Team Fortress 2 when those two are on. But that's just me.
I don't know. If you have to keep yourself busy in order to watch a show, then is it really worth it to watch the show to begin with?
That's... kind of the point really. I'm not watching the show per se. Well I'm not going to lie to myself, it's more like not giving a crap about Bleach since I always saw it as the inferior one back when Bleach was in the Big 3 and only paying attention to Naruto before the fillers kick in. I'm just saying do something else during that time.
As for Sym-bionic Titan, good luck waiting until 3:30 AM or something like that. Though I might have to look at the schedule again since I do think GXP is ending next week and with One Piece joining the line up, taking 1 AM and moving Soul Eater to 1:30, I can see a few shuffles here and there.
I should probably try to see where they're at with this run of SBT and try it again. I gave up last time because I kept on forgetting to record episodes.
It really isn't a bad show, even if it's no Gargoyles. I'd gladly take it over the rest of the block, tired repeats of Bebop and GITS aside.
Quote from: Rosalinas Spare Wand on May 05, 2013, 01:04:27 AM
What I can't wrap my head around is how people could sit through an hour of Bleach and Naruto.
Easy. Some people actually enjoy
Bleach and
Naruto. I don't know why they like them, whether they enjoy them for legitimate reasons or not. But those shows have fans whether we like them or not, and even though I can't stand those shows personally I can accept and respect that people like them. Live and let live, as the saying goes.
Alright, so I'm way out of the loop on this, but being that I hardly watch TV anymore, does Digimon still air on any of the Disney channels? I remember hearing some recent news (at least I think it was recent, and presumably legit), that the rights to the franchise's license got returned to Saban (hopefully in full). Honestly, if through whatever circumstances they actually do have the full North American distribution rights to the franchise and any series within it, I feel like Digimon Tamers would be the perfect fit for a show to air on Toonami. Its technically a kids-show so it could have easily been one of the types of shows that you would find on an old-school Toonami block if it weren't already airing on Fox Kids. However, its themes are mature enough where it would fit in with the more adult-oriented Toonami that we have now (except unlike stuff like Bleach and Naruto, its not merely pseudo-adult-oriented material as far as its themes and concepts go).
Now, before anyone says anything, I know that I'm probably completely misinformed about Saban, and I'd never expect something like this to happen even for a second on the off chance that I was right. I'm just speaking my mind about what I would consider an ideal addition to the current Toonami's line-up in order to give the block a bit more variety and good flavor. Of course this would never happen in anything other than a perfect dream world of mine (along with stuff like HXH getting licensed and being aired on Toonami), but I figured it was worth expressing that I think Toonami should at least be trying harder to acquire well-received shows like this. Its fine that they keep airing Naruto and Bleach. I get it: quality or not, those shows get great ratings compared to everything else on the block. That said, while those shows can be used to hook people, they can still follow them up with genuinely good material rather than finding other cheap crap to fill the block's entire time-space up with.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on May 05, 2013, 03:10:38 PM
Alright, so I'm way out of the loop on this, but being that I hardly watch TV anymore, does Digimon still air on any of the Disney channels? I remember hearing some recent news (at least I think it was recent, and presumably legit), that the rights to the franchise's license got returned to Saban (hopefully in full). Honestly, if through whatever circumstances they actually do have the full North American distribution rights to the franchise and any series within it, I feel like Digimon Tamers would be the perfect fit for a show to air on Toonami. Its technically a kids-show so it could have easily been one of the types of shows that you would find on an old-school Toonami block if it weren't already airing on Fox Kids. However, its themes are mature enough where it would fit in with the more adult-oriented Toonami that we have now (except unlike stuff like Bleach and Naruto, its not merely pseudo-adult-oriented material as far as its themes and concepts go).
Now, before anyone says anything, I know that I'm probably completely misinformed about Saban, and I'd never expect something like this to happen even for a second on the off chance that I was right. I'm just speaking my mind about what I would consider an ideal addition to the current Toonami's line-up in order to give the block a bit more variety and good flavor. Of course this would never happen in anything other than a perfect dream world of mine (along with stuff like HXH getting licensed and being aired on Toonami), but I figured it was worth expressing that I think Toonami should at least be trying harder to acquire well-received shows like this. Its fine that they keep airing Naruto and Bleach. I get it: quality or not, those shows get great ratings compared to everything else on the block. That said, while those shows can be used to hook people, they can still follow them up with genuinely good material rather than finding other cheap crap to fill the block's entire time-space up with.
The newest
Digimon series will be going to Nickelodeon. Considering that Nicktoons has begun airing shows like
Yu-Gi-Oh!, I think it's a safe bet that older
Digimon shows will rerun on Nicktoons, or at the very least Vortexx.
Toonami probably wouldn't pick up a
Digimon series anyway, even if it was
Tamers, because the series is not just seen as a "kids show" to the casual audience but also has a toyline and merchandising geared towards children. Not to mention Saban would probably see it as a conflict of interest to have a
Digimon show, meant and promoted for children, to be on a network next to not safe for children programming. This has nothing to do with the quality of
Tamers and how much adults will enjoy it, mind you, but Saban would not want parents complaining if their kids tune in to watch
Digimon on Toonami and catch a show like
The Boondocks as well. They have a kid-friendly image to uphold for the franchise, you know.
You can't say Toonami isn't trying to get better shows. People wanted
Naruto, so they got it,
Soul Eater was a well-received series for many years stateside despite it's flaws, and
IGPX has always had it's fans and people wanted to see it again as early as before the block came back last year. People have been asking for
One Piece since last year, and it's one of DeMarco's favorite animes as well, so they probably worked very hard in order to make it's return to television happen. So they are trying, and really it comes down to whether you personally enjoy the shows they get or not. Personally, I don't feel I can fault the block for airing something I personally dont like. I won't and don't watch shows I don't like, but at the same time I think the block as a whole is doing just fine for itself even if it isn't the perfect experience I want it to be. That said, I only outright hate three shows on the block, so I probably like it better than most people here do regardless.
What I would personally like to see on Toonami next is not another long-running, more light-heated series but a shorter, more serious title that has the right amount of badass but also real depth to it as well.
Black Lagoon or
Gun X Sword would fit the bill perfectly. Of course I'd love for a newer title, preferably something I haven't seen like
Fate/Zero or
Mitchiko to Hachin. Those are the kinds or series I feel Toonami really needs now, for emotionally and genre diversity rather than specializing in the long-running shounen niche. I love
One Piece, but I'll need more than that to devote more than an hour of my time to the block each week.
The last thing Toonami needs are shows involving fighting pet monsters or card games. That stuff should be on the kiddie networks like Vortexx, Nicktoons, or Disney XD. All those shows that Toonami aired during their final years on CN would feel very out of place on Adult Swim, yet they would fit right at home on those other networks.
Zatch Bell would make a great addition to Vortexx. Duel Masters could air on the Hub (they're airing that Kaijudo spinoff, after all). Digimon could air on any of them. Adult Swim...? :whuh:
Personally I'd take the pet monster show over at least half of what Toonami is currently airing, but then again I'm no longer Toonami's demographic audience. It'd still be a shit-ton more interesting to see them take a risk like that rather than relying on old reruns of Naruto and Bleach, though.
That said I did clearly say that it was just my personal preference, so there's really no reason for you guys to go out of your way to convince me otherwise when I already clearly stated that it would never happen, regardless of whether people accepted it or not.
Zatch Bell! isn't really a pet monster/card game show, although in a basic sense I can see how it's sorta like one. Anyway, I think Viz stopped distributing the series long ago, so it's not going anywhere, much less Toonami (and even if it could air on it, I wouldn't want it on Toonami. I like the show a lot and all, but especially with the Viz dub it wouldn't fit on an adult-oriented block).
I don't know what the situation is with the Duel Masters anime (which is best watched dubbed because the gag-dub not only makes it actually worthwhile, but hilariously enjoyable), but I doubt it'll ever air on U.S. television again either.
I don't know how old you are Ensatsu-ken, but if you are male and over 18 and under 34 then you are apart of Toonami's target demographic, just saying. ;)
Naruto, Bleach, and One Piece are shonen series that were aimed at children, with two of the three airing on US child-friendly slots at previous years. How is that 18-34?
The current lineup:
12:00AM - Bleach
12:30AM - Naruto (Uncut)
1:00AM - Soul Eater
1:30AM - ThunderCats
2:00AM - IGPX
2:30AM - Eureka Seven
3:00AM - Tenchi Muyo! GXP
3:30AM - Sym-Bionic Titan
4:00AM - Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
4:30AM - Cowboy Bebop
5:00AM - Inuyasha
5:30AM - Inuyasha
Only one of those shows is actually aimed at people over 18.
QuoteI don't know how old you are Ensatsu-ken, but if you are male and over 18 and under 34 then you are apart of Toonami's target demographic, just saying. ;)
Well, I'm 23, and if shows like Bleach and Soul Eater are meant for my demographic then they just don't appeal to me I suppose.
If Animal Land is anything to go by, Kodansha is the one that can publish anything Zatch/Gash Bell now. One of the main reasons as to why Viz stopped publishing it was due to how Makoto Raiku cut his ties with Shuiesha/Shogakuken, which you know, is where VIZ gets their most of their Manga series from. He was able to make a small side story for Zatch Bell after he switched his publisher to Kodansha, as they thought that it would be a good way to promote them republishing Zatch Bell in Japan.
As a side note.... still waiting on you to release the rest of the Zatch Bell manga over here Kodansha USA. The money can be yours.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on May 05, 2013, 08:06:55 PM
Naruto, Bleach, and One Piece are shonen series that were aimed at children, with two of the three airing on US child-friendly slots at previous years. How is that 18-34?
Well to be fair, Naruto and One Piece generally attract a lot of older readers/watchers in Japan as well. However that has more to do with the fact that they both started serialization over 10 years ago, so a lot of the fans who started reading those series as kids are a lot older now.
TOONAMI FROM HEAVEN SCHEDULE 2013
12:00 - Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet
12:30 - Black Lagoon
1:00 - Psycho-Pass
1:30 - Puella Magi Madoka Magica
2:00 - Attack on Titan
2:30 - Fate/Zero
3:00 - JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
3:30 - Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt
4:00 - Full Metal Panic
4:30 - Full Metal Alchemist
5:00 - Monster
5:30 - The Devil is A Part-timer
Spoiler
Yeah fuck you Sketch
The censors would have a field day with that schedule.
Quote from: Lord Dalek on May 05, 2013, 08:25:02 PM
TOONAMI FROM HEAVEN SCHEDULE 2013
12:00 - Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet
12:30 - Black Lagoon
1:00 - Psycho-Pass
1:30 - Puella Magi Madoka Magica
2:00 - Attack on Titan
2:30 - Fate/Zero
3:00 - JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
3:30 - Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt
4:00 - Full Metal Panic
4:30 - Full Metal Alchemist
5:00 - Monster
5:30 - The Devil is A Part-timer
MAKE IT HAPPEN CN
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on May 05, 2013, 08:06:55 PM
Naruto, Bleach, and One Piece are shonen series that were aimed at children, with two of the three airing on US child-friendly slots at previous years. How is that 18-34?
While all three are marketed to the shonen demographic in Japan, they have not been uniformly marketed to the same demographic here in the states.
Bleach has been aimed to teens and young adults since the beginning of it's stateside release, and Funimation shifted it's focus to teens and young adults with
One Piece shortly after it got taken off of Cartoon Network.
Naruto has for a long while been marketed to the 9-14 demographic primarily, true, but with XD strangling
Shippuden's rights and it's general failure on that channel, they are likely going after the audience who grew up with the series now, who would be around 18.
18-34 males is the target audience for all [adult swim] shows, and that's the target demographic [adult swim] has and wants Toonami aiming at, though. And, believe it or not,
Naruto and
Bleach get solid 18-34 ratings. A good 60% of their total viewers, mind you, which is comparable to the other shows on [adult swim]. Why do you think
Bleach is still on [adult swim] after all these years? Fuck, why do you think
InuYasha is still on after all these years? It doesn't matter if I personally think post-Soul Society
Bleach is shit or not, it gets the damn 18-34 ratings, which is what [adult swim] wants, which is why it's still around to my chagrin, and which is what Toonami has actually been successfully in getting and improving on Saturday nights, which is why despite the block being far from perfect it's a success story for the network.
Uncontestably,
Cowboy Bebop is the only show that was originally made for adults that is on the current Toonami block. Despite this, all those shows get more 18-34 ratings then they do kid ratings in spite of not being originally intended for the adult audience. This is pretty much how it's been for a good 80% of the anime that's been aired on [adult swim] over the years. It's nothing new.
Daxdiv, I was talking about the anime, which I don't think Viz distributes anymore. I too hope Kodansha can re-distribute the manga one of these days.
Quote from: Lord Dalek on May 05, 2013, 08:25:02 PM
TOONAMI FROM HEAVEN SCHEDULE 2013
My thoughts on this never gonna happen but much better than what we have now schedule:
12:00 - Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet - I've never seen this. What's it about and how good is it.
12:30 - Black Lagoon - I honestly don't like it quite as much as a lot of people, but it's badass.
1:00 - Psycho-Pass - Never seen it, heard it's good
1:30 - Puella Magi Madoka Magica - It wouldn't do well. Really like it, though.
2:00 - Attack on Titan - I don't know if this series stays good or not though, but the anime's animation is badass.
2:30 - Fate/Zero - Heard it's awesome, been wanting to see it.
3:00 - JoJo's Bizarre Adventure - YEAH!
3:30 - Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt - Good.
4:00 - Full Metal Panic - Heard it's awesome, been wanting to see it.
4:30 - Full Metal Alchemist - I honestly think this was the pretentious of the two unlike most people. Still love it though.
5:00 - Monster - I know for a fact it bombed on Sci-fi, but I also heard it's a masterpiece, so SURE!
5:30 - The Devil is A Part-timer - :-X :awesome:
Why would Sketch not like this lineup? It's pretty great if completely unrealistic.
Well, the reason kids don't watch Toonami is because it airs after their bedtime. Seriously, 9-14 year olds don't usually stay up to 6AM...
Quote from: Cartoon X on May 05, 2013, 08:38:34 PM
5:30 - The Devil is A Part-timer - It's okay. Sgt. Frog is a way better comedy choice, in my opinion.
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Brotherhood is just as pretentious as the first series. The so called series "depth" is usually executed in either blatant exposition or characters can be read plain as day yet the show thinks its being subtle about it. I was never a huge fan of the first series and found that to be overrated as well, but I always felt that it was at least a little better when it came to characterization, especially for the villains, which were mostly pretty shallow bad guys in the manga and Brotherhood. Honestly, I don't think I'll ever truly get the love that FMA gets in general, but personally I'd take the first anime over the manga or Brotherhood.
Also, as for Toonami, it'd e awesome if we had a portion of the block dedicated the specials or movies, rather than other shows. We could at least take out stuff like both airings or Inu-Yasha and Cowboy Bebop (the former show just sucks, and the latter is great, but lets face it, WE'VE ALL SEEN THIS SHOW a bunch of times by now, so I doubt the block would lose much if it stopped airing reruns of it). It'd be pretty damn cool if they could get the rights to show some of the DTV animated DC features, as well as good anime movies like Ninja Scroll, Summer Wars, Redline, and so on. The Eva movie did well for them, and while that may just be because of NGE's fan-base, I still think the weekly movies could really work if they could get people interested enough in the movies they'd e airing through good previews to build up some hype. Its another interesting risk the lock could take, rather than running on so many re-runs of so many older shows to fill up that time with.
Quote from: Foggle on May 05, 2013, 08:49:04 PM
Well, the reason kids don't watch Toonami is because it airs after their bedtime. Seriously, 9-14 year olds don't usually stay up to 6AM...
I know/knew a lot of kids who stayed up late to watch [adult swim] and other late-night shows back in the day. I myself have fond memories staying up Friday late-nights to catch classic cartoons Cartoon Network and Disney Channel stopped airing during the daytime. Gooooooooooood times. ;)
Anyway, doesn't change the fact adults do watch Toonami and kids do watch [adult swim]. A good 30% (or more...) of
Family Guy's viewers are not above the age of 18, you know (lots of kids watch [adult swim]. I myself started watching [adult swim] when I was six (not to mention I'm also not 18 yet so I'm still under the target demographic :>).
And geez Dalek,
soo-rry that I find
Sgt. Frog funnier as funny as
Devil is A Part Timer, but I do.
Part Timer has only aired like 4 episodes so far anyway. I don't know yet how the series as a whole will ultimately stack up to be, but I do know that
Sgt. Frog has still entertained me much over the years. That's all there is to it.
Ensatsu-ken, the problem with the FMA is not that the two series think they are more mature than they really are, but their fans do. The fans on both extremes have overrated them to the point you forget that the manga knows it's just a fun romp, and only got serious at parts to establish what the stakes were for the characters. As far as
Brotherhood went, I always got the impression it knew that the manga just a fun shonen series that took itself a little too seriously and played up the action and epicness factor of it. I prefer pretty much all of the Brotherhood characterizations aside from Roy and Alphonse, who are really better in the first series. I said the first anime was the more pretentious of the two mainly because it treated the philosophy aspect of FMA more seriously, but it didn't really go any deeper aside from adding in some melodramatic parts. There are legitimately more mature aspects to the original FMA anime, but ultimately I feel that by taking itself too seriously throughout the show, it ultimately provided a far more unsatisfying conclusion and payoff than it's manga counterpart when they failed to really follow through on the philosophical themes the series built up, whereas it didn't matter so much in Brotherhood because that focused on the ride and fun action elements of the manga more.
The movie idea is awesome, but likely too expensive for them, unless DC stops their nonsense about not letting their stuff air on [adult swim] and/or Funimation works out a deal with them to air their movies suuuupppper cheap.
Yeah, I figured it would be too expensive, but like my Digimon Tamers idea, it was more just wishful thinking about my own ideal set-up, rather than an actual proposition of something that Toonami could actually do.
Quote from: Rosalinas Spare Wand on May 05, 2013, 01:04:27 AM
What I can't wrap my head around is how people could sit through an hour of Bleach and Naruto.
Because TOM and fancy wraparounds.
Seriously, the hardcore fanbase would probably watch an hour of Boku No Pico if TOM told them to.
QuoteEnsatsu-ken, the problem with the FMA is not that the two series think they are more mature than they really are, but their fans do.
Thats my beef with a
lot of fanbases.
Quote from: Kiddington on May 06, 2013, 01:42:46 AM
Seriously, the hardcore fanbase would probably watch an hour of Boku No Pico if TOM told them to.
Don't jinx it.
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Sgt. Frog is a way better comedy choice, in my opinion.
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Well, sue me. I like Sgt. Frog. :anger: O0
Quote from: Cartoon X on May 06, 2013, 07:28:50 AM
Well, sue me. I like Sgt. Frog. :anger:
No problem. We all like what we like. This whole site exists because some people have different opinions.
What happened to TOM 3.5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvdlXJ4pjVM)
Okay, this promo made me laugh. :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB3iaCUaDHk&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB3iaCUaDHk&feature=player_embedded)
Quote from: Cartoon X on May 11, 2013, 11:39:05 PMOkay, this promo made me laugh. :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB3iaCUaDHk&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB3iaCUaDHk&feature=player_embedded)
That was badass!
Nice job, Steve! :thumbup:
QuoteSaturday night's Toonami block also scored success: new episodes of One Piece (1 a.m.) and Soul Eater (1:30 a.m.) ranked #1 in their respective timeslots among all targeted young adults and men, Bleach (12 a.m.) ranked #1 in its timeslot among adults 18-34 and men 18-24 & 18-34, and Naruto (12:30 a.m.) ranked #1 in its timeslot among adults and men 18-24 & 18-34. All new episodes within the anime block earned impressive double-digit growth across adults 18-34 & 18-49 and all targeted men ranging between 15% and 348% vs. the same time period last year.
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12:00a Bleach 977,000
12:30a Naruto 961,000
1:00a One Piece 995,000
1:30a Soul Eater 981,000
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Quote from: Cartoon X on February 02, 2013, 10:35:23 PM
I know I haven't posted on these forums at all since, like, November or something, but I've got a lot to talk about and I might as well talk about it here.
Apparently, there's a rumor going around that Soul Eater, my 23rd favorite anime, could be replacing Samurai 7 on Febuary 16th.
I don't know if you guys like Soul Eater or not, since it's, you know, shonen, (I'm sure that Foggle hates it), but if this is true then it'll be the best aquisition the block has made since it's revival. Although Soul Eater is only an above-average shonen series (and its ending is stupid as hell), it's well-animated, popular, relatively recent, nicely paced, and light enough to fit next to Naruto and Thundercats while also being dark enough to make it stand out next to them. Its 51 episode length means Toonami's got a premiering show that'll last a full year, which means they won't have to worry about replacing the other shows for the time being. Oh, and it should get good ratings, better than Samurai 7. Picture it folks. 4 shows on Toonami that get over a million viewers. Good stuff.
Personally, though, I sorta hope this isn't true. While I loved the show when I originally watched it, and it's a good show and a damn better shonen series than Naruto and Bleach (overall), it doesn't hold up quite well enough in comparison to my other anime favorites like Case Closed and Yu Yu Hakusho. More importantly, it means that a NEW series, created after 2010, recently dubbed, will not be comming to Toonami yet. I think we will get Michiko to Hachin on Toonami at some point because it's a Watannabe series, but I really think Toonami needs a fresher series now rather than later, preferably one not released on dvd beforehand (or at least less than six months beforehand). So, I can't really be excited for Soul Eater if it really is comming to Toonami, but I will watch, and I DO and WILL enjoy it, but I really hope the show replacing Thundercats in March will be NEW, not "new."
Also, I'll say it again and will continue to say it untill it happens, Toonami needs to air Black Lagoon. I don't love the show, it's certaintly not one of my top 25 favorite anime, but it's undeniably bad-ass and is the kind of show Toonami NEEDS. They might as well cough up the money for Inuyasha: The Final Act too. I don't like the anime version, but it'll get good ratings and has better animation and pacing than Naruto and Bleach, in my opinion.
Besides those, they should put Batman: The Brave and the Bold on Toonami. They might as well since neither Cartoon Network or Boomerang are airing it, and it'd bring more variety to the block.
I like Toonami, by the way. I don't care what you guys think about it not being how it was in the glory days, the promos and music videos and bumps are awesome and define exactly what makes Toonami so great. Besides, the lineup is waaaaaayyy better than the lineups in 1997-1998, 2002, and 2006-2008. It's at least on par with the Fall 2005 lineup. I don't watch it every week, and haven't kept up with any of the shows except Tenchi Muyo! GXP (your guess is as good as mine on why), but besides Bleach I don't think any of the shows on the block are awful and the rising ratings for the block are a positive sign that many people, Toonami fans or not, feel the same way. I wan't better shows on Toonami, for sure, but the fact that they put so much effort into the block (especially when compared to [adult swim] action), prevents me from being indifferent to or hating Toonami 2012.
Seriously though. Black Lagoon. On Toonami. Now.
Ah sweet, another Case Closed fan.
Quote from: Cartoon X on May 21, 2013, 04:37:16 PM
12:00a Bleach 977,000
12:30a Naruto 961,000
1:00a One Piece 995,000
1:30a Soul Eater 981,000
While its probably just this first episode and maybe a few more that'll experience fairly high ratings due to all of the hype built up around One Piece's return (I'm pretty sure those numbers will drop soon), I have to admit that I'm also quite pleased to see One Piece doing better than Naruto and Bleach for once, even if its only something that will be short-lived. Though, you have to keep in mind that Naruto is airing re-runs that most fans have probably already seen countless times. Were this Naruto Shippuden, it would probably get much higher ratings. That isn't to say that its ratings are reflective of its quality, but that's just the fact of the matter, since that would be newer material for the fans of the English dub.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on May 21, 2013, 08:19:21 PM
While its probably just this first episode and maybe a few more that'll experience fairly high ratings due to all of the hype built up around One Piece's return (I'm pretty sure those numbers will drop soon), I have to admit that I'm also quite pleased to see One Piece doing better than Naruto and Bleach for once, even if its only something that will be short-lived. Though, you have to keep in mind that Naruto is airing re-runs that most fans have probably already seen countless times. Were this Naruto Shippuden, it would probably get much higher ratings. That isn't to say that its ratings are reflective of its quality, but that's just the fact of the matter, since that would be newer material for the fans of the English dub.
One Piece has gotten quite a bit of hype, but mostly inside the confines of the block itself. The promos for it haven't really aired much more frequently outside the block than many other of Toonami's previous acquisitions, at least from what I saw.
Naruto has managed to beat
Bleach in the ratings a couples of times, actually, even though it is just reruns. New
Shippuden would do better, of course, likely markedly better, but the original
Naruto reruns are competing well in target and total viewers against other shows in it's timeslot and with
Bleach.
One Piece's premiere stands out to me because, not only is it the highest series premiere Toonami 2012 has had so far, it is the first series airing in the 1am timeslot that has managed to beat
Bleach in the ratings, even if it was only slightly. Also, the fact that pretty much all of
One Piece's viewers stuck around for
Soul Eater signals to me that most people that watched the show that night watched it all the way through, and even though the episode was likely confusing to those who haven't seen the series before, I think it made enough good impressions to retain sizable viewers for the future. After all, the premiere episodes of the series Toonami has aired have never been the highest they've managed to get throughout their run, with their ceilings generally being at least a good 200k viewers higher. I don't expect
One Piece beating
Bleach and
Naruto to be a continuing trend (this week being memorial day weekend will mean all of the shows on the block will have poor ratings anyway), but I am more confident that
One Piece will hold consistent ratings in it's timeslot now.
Oh, wow. The key adult 18-49 demographic ratings for the
One Piece/
Soul Eater hour are even more impressive...
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1. Cleveland Show, 10:30 PM - 0.76
2. Family Guy, 10 PM - 0.69
3. Soul Eater, 1:30 AM - 0.50
4. One Piece, 1 AM - 0.50
5. Boondocks, 11:30 PM - 0.48
6. Black Dynamite, 11 PM - 0.48
7. Naruto, 12:30 AM - 0.41
8. Bleach, 12 AM - 0.41
9. Family Guy, 9:30 PM - 0.39
10. Thundercats, 3 AM - 0.29
11. Eureka 7, 2:30 AM - 0.29
12. IGPX, 2 AM - 0.26
13. Sym-Bionic Titan, 3:30 AM - 0.24
14. Full Metal Alchemist, 4 AM - 0.23
15. InuYasha, 5:30 AM - 0.21
16. InuYasha, 5 AM - 0.20
17. Cowboy Bebop, 4:30 AM - 0.20
On a tangent, look at the drop between
Soul Eater and
IGPX... :unimpressed:
Yeah, IGPX looks like it won't be impressing anyone. Granted, it won't be as big a bomb as it was before.
That's great for One Piece and Soul Eater though!
I'm actually happy that One Piece beat out Bleach and Naruto this week. Though I think the Bleach episode was a silly filler or something about making a movie and Naruto was that test episode. I think next week's Naruto might be that clip show episode when Naruto moved to a different time slot in Japan and tried to get people up to speed or something. *Checks an episode list* Yep, unless Toonami is skipping that one, I imagine that nothing of value will be lost ratings wise.
Bleach, even during the worst of it's fillers on the block, has always been the ceiling of the block's key adult and total viewers and nothing until Naruto (which came around during it's canon portions) has been able to match or surpass it within the block. One Piece and Soul Eater beating the two of them at all in both is thus quite significant. No show airing after Bleach and Naruto, Soul Eater in the previous weeks included, has managed to topple their dominance as the highest rated shows in the block. What's more, they beat the 11pm Black Dynamite/Boondocks hour too, again unprecedented for any show airing in the 1am hour since the block's return. I have to wonder, with the best of both series yet to come, if these ratings might remain consistent for the 1am hour, and if that will be the final factor that will lead to the expansion of Toonami into the 11pm hour.
And IGPX's drop is unacceptable. I think the show is okay so far myself, but with that kind of performance after the high performing Soul Eater I could very well see it getting shafted down to the 3am hour a la Tenchi Muyo! GXP.
Is Naruto mostly uncut on Toonami or is it straight up replays of its old Toonami afternoon run? I still don't have CN.
Uncut, and advertised as such.
Quote from: Rynnec on May 21, 2013, 11:50:42 PM
Uncut, and advertised as such.
Get these motherfucking foxes off of my motherfucking plane.
Well we're getting Sword Art Online in the summer. Whoever fed/joked about that idea is bad and should feel bad.
:srs: :shit: :cry: :burn: :anger: :drool: :frown: :zonk:
WHY, TOONAMI? WHHHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?!?!?
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With any luck, they'll probably air it at 2AM or later when everyone's asleep since they're airing premieres during the other first two hours of the block.
If #ExpandToonami fails before August, this could be a good thing.
Let's face it: Soul Eater and the Big 3 are really all they need to keep strong, consistent ratings. SAO will just be filler after Eureka 7 ends.
Quote from: Cartoon X on May 24, 2013, 07:43:57 PM
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Which hole?
Sword Art Online? That's an anime, not some MMORPG? What exactly is bad about it? ???
Quote from: Peanutbutter on May 25, 2013, 06:23:10 AM
Sword Art Online? That's an anime, not some MMORPG? What exactly is bad about it? ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYbetvkPA6I&list=FLrpCyfjlyEQfbpq2ujEkgTw&index=6
Quote from: ShadowGentleman on May 25, 2013, 06:40:47 AM
Quote from: Peanutbutter on May 25, 2013, 06:23:10 AM
Sword Art Online? That's an anime, not some MMORPG? What exactly is bad about it? ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYbetvkPA6I&list=FLrpCyfjlyEQfbpq2ujEkgTw&index=6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6mN0MGhOqE
Quote from: ShadowGentleman on May 25, 2013, 06:40:47 AM
Quote from: Peanutbutter on May 25, 2013, 06:23:10 AM
Sword Art Online? That's an anime, not some MMORPG? What exactly is bad about it? ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYbetvkPA6I&list=FLrpCyfjlyEQfbpq2ujEkgTw&index=6
Yes, because I've never heard of it before.
Quote from: Peanutbutter on May 25, 2013, 07:36:21 AM
Quote from: ShadowGentleman on May 25, 2013, 06:40:47 AM
Quote from: Peanutbutter on May 25, 2013, 06:23:10 AM
Sword Art Online? That's an anime, not some MMORPG? What exactly is bad about it? ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYbetvkPA6I&list=FLrpCyfjlyEQfbpq2ujEkgTw&index=6
Yes, because I've never heard of it before.
Even though it's been a subject on the forum for months?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNl4wue71Is
Eh, outside Toonami I haven't watched anime except rewatching Cowboy Bebop (still awesome) so I don't venture much into the Anime section here. I also watched half of the Lupin series about Fujiko and haven't got around to watching the other half yet. I plan on checking out Attack on Titan soon though.
Quote from: Peanutbutter on May 25, 2013, 06:23:10 AM
Sword Art Online? That's an anime, not some MMORPG? What exactly is bad about it? ???
The main character is a self-insert Gary Stu and roughly a third of the story revolves around him developing a harem, one member of which is his sister, even after he gets married to another girl.
Said girl tries to present herself as a strong character, but she can't do anything without her man - who her life revolves around - and cries at least once in every episode.
The second story arc is about the protagonist trying to maintain his wife's purity by preventing an evil-for-no-reason villain, who locks her inside a birdcage and has a penchant for drinking her tears, from raping her.
The main character is applauded for torturing this villain to death (virtually, but he can still feel the intense pain in real life, which causes him to go blind in one eye).
The antagonist of the first story arc has literally no motivation and just kills people for fun, and is praised later by the protagonist for "never giving up".
Multiple characters are killed and brought back to life via deus ex machina, including the protagonist, his wife, and their virtual child.
Said virtual child later turns into a six inch tall pocket loli.
At one point random tentacle monsters molest the main character's wife.
There is no character development, only time skips in which the characters change off-screen.
Many events in the story would not have happened if the characters weren't completely stupid.
The author wrote porn of his own characters that explains, in detail, why the MMO avatars have genitals but not pubic hair.
That enough for ya?
Quote from: Foggle on May 25, 2013, 01:00:08 PM
Quote from: Peanutbutter on May 25, 2013, 06:23:10 AM
Sword Art Online? That's an anime, not some MMORPG? What exactly is bad about it? ???
The author wrote porn of his own characters that explains, in detail, why the MMO avatars have genitals but not pubic hair.
That enough for ya?
Yeesh, everything else explained it just fine, but this puts it over the top. :shit: I'm not sure this will be a hit among Adult Swim's main audience. It could last through its first half, but I don't think it's going to last much longer than that.
Hopefully SAO will follow tradition and follow suit with all the other MMO anime CN has aired. Deathslotted.
It's times like this where I'm glad that Toonami's tumblr has put a hold on answering questions so they focus on actually posting and reblogging stuff relevant to the block's history, as well as promote it. If they were still answering asks regularly, they'd probably be dealing with hundreds of angry asks about their decision here.
Yeah but I think Sean and Jason actively despised .hack.
The Toonami Tumblr had a Q&A today. Here's one notable response (http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/51472842335/are-you-guys-able-to-talk-about-the-specifics-for-the) about
SAO:QuoteWe watched a few (no, not all) episodes, reached an agreement, and now we're premiering the show in August!
That explains so much...
Le sigh.
Also, the poll Aniplex put up on their Facebook page? Meant shit.
Toonami didn't want it, Toonami didn't consider it.
If anyone needs a sign that Toonami does not care for what you want, here you go.
So how long til we see Guilty Crown and Elfen Lied on Toonami?
Latter, never. Former, in a few months.
Quote from: Daikun on May 27, 2013, 09:03:10 PM
The Toonami Tumblr had a Q&A today. Here's one notable response (http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/51472842335/are-you-guys-able-to-talk-about-the-specifics-for-the) about SAO:
QuoteWe watched a few (no, not all) episodes, reached an agreement, and now we?re premiering the show in August!
That explains so much...
Just a few episodes? Im curious as to what other shows they 'sample' alongside SAO and ended up picking SAO. Might be worth looking into.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on May 27, 2013, 09:18:09 PM
If anyone needs a sign that Toonami does not care for what you want, here you go.
Apparently there
were people who wanted
Sword Art Online on Toonami. Why I do not know and do not wish to know.
Well... at least I still have my
One Piece/
Soul Eater hour.
One Piece being on U.S. television again is especially nice after all these years of waiting. I just wish there was more than an hour of the block that was premiering good shows. :-\
I know I sound like a broken record at this point, but I REALLY wish the block was able to get Black Lagoon. Once again, I know its just wishful thinking. I'm sure they'd have a hard time getting the rights to it, and even if they could they probably couldn't afford it or something like that. I'm just saying that in a fantasy line-up, this series would be a perfect fit for the current Toonami.
I also wish that FUNimation would license the new Hunter X Hunter and allow Toonami to air it. That'd please the shonen demographic for that block just fine, I'm sure. But, people have clearly shown that they don't give a shit about that series, which is understandable, but also a bummer for me. :-\
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on May 27, 2013, 10:53:37 PM
I know I sound like a broken record at this point, but I REALLY wish the block was able to get Black Lagoon. Once again, I know its just wishful thinking. I'm sure they'd have a hard time getting the rights to it, and even if they could they probably couldn't afford it or something like that. I'm just saying that in a fantasy line-up, this series would be a perfect fit for the current Toonami.
Yeah,
Black Lagoon is something I want them to air too, if only because the block needs a really good "adult" series right now with a lot of casual appeal, for variety's sake. I don't think it would be too expensive for them to get, at least not more so than freaking
One Piece or even
Soul Eater. My guess is that they are avoiding it because there is too much profanity and violence to be acceptable for air under their broadcast standards, which is a shame. :-\
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on May 27, 2013, 10:53:37 PM
I also wish that FUNimation would license the new Hunter X Hunter and allow Toonami to air it. That'd please the shonen demographic for that block just fine, I'm sure. But, people have clearly shown that they don't give a shit about that series, which is understandable, but also a bummer for me. :-\
I still have no idea why no one has licensed the new
Hunter X Hunter yet. By the end of it's first year, FUNimation licensed
Toriko for a dub, so why not
Hunter X Hunter? I wish they get on this sooner. At this point I'll accept Viz dubbing it, but FUNimation's dubbing is way more consistent and top notch than them for me, so I'm still hoping...
Hunter X Hunter would make be the perfect show to air once Bleach ends next year, I'll honestly be suprised if it doesn't eventually end up on Toonami, along with JJBA.
Unfortunately for Black Lagoon, seinen (or seinen-esque shows) that aren't GitS usually don't do that well on [as] apparently. Even Samurai Champloo didn't do good in the ratings, according to the tumblr. This is probably why Toonami's mostly airing shounenshit now.
Yeah, having to bleep out all of those F-words could be a problem, but if they could get away with just that it would certainly make the show unintentionally hilarious at times. :sly:
As for HXH, I do NOT want Viz to get their hands on the new one. Have you seen their dub for the 1999 series? Its atrocious, and shows me that if a series isn't incredibly popular on the level of Naruto or Bleach, then they won't give a shit about the quality of work that goes into translating and dubbing it. I'd rather the series not be licensed at all than have Viz get their hands on it. If FUNimation got it, though, that'd be a dream. All they'd have to do to advertise it is to say that its based on a manga from the same creator/author of YYH, and I'm sure that'd at least get a decent number of people on board and pumped for the series.
Quote from: Rynnec on May 27, 2013, 11:10:20 PM
Unfortunately for Black Lagoon, seinen (or seinen-esque shows) that aren't GitS usually don't do that well on [as] apparently. Even Samurai Champloo didn't do good in the ratings, according to the tumblr. This is probably why Toonami's mostly airing shounenshit now.
Actually,
Samurai 7 managed to do pretty well for itself after a few weeks into it's run. It broke over a million about three times I think and got solid ratings for it's timeslot otherwise. I wouldn't consider it a total failure, and the Toonami crew was probably happy with it too. It did way better than
Casshern Sins ever did.
:srs: at the idea
One Piece and
Soul Eater are "shit." I think they are much better than a lot of their contemporaries, even though they are somewhat lesser in storytelling quality than some of the classics like
Dragonball, Yu Yu Hakusho, Rurouni Kenshin, and
Jojo's Bizzare Adventure (although I like
One Piece a little more than them myself for an assortment of personal reasons).
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on May 27, 2013, 11:12:36 PM
Yeah, having to bleep out all of those F-words could be a problem, but if they could get away with just that it would certainly make the show unintentionally hilarious at times. :sly:
I think there are so many of them it would actually detract from the experience if they were constantly being bleeped out. At some point it might not be funny anymore and just be annoying or obnoxious. :sweat:
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on May 27, 2013, 11:12:36 PM
As for HXH, I do NOT want Viz to get their hands on the new one. Have you seen their dub for the 1999 series? Its atrocious, and shows me that if a series isn't incredibly popular on the level of Naruto or Bleach, then they won't give a shit about the quality of work that goes into translating and dubbing it. I'd rather the series not be licensed at all than have Viz get their hands on it. If FUNimation got it, though, that'd be a dream. All they'd have to do to advertise it is to say that its based on a manga from the same creator/author of YYH, and I'm sure that'd at least get a decent number of people on board and pumped for the series.
Yeah...Viz's dub for 1999 is pretty mediocre. I though whoever did Hisoka did a good job, but Gon and Killua especially...just
ugh. :gonk:
To be honest, the only dub of Viz's I think I really like is
Ranma 1/2's, because it somehow made even some of the subpar material very funny for me. It's Viz's best dub, in my opinion, or at least from what I've seen.
Maison Ikkoku or
Hikaru no Go!would probably be the second best, and what I've seen of
Tiger and Bunny's is quite respectable. I guess
Bleach's is okay, but I hate post-Soul Society
Bleach so I can't care,
Naruto and
InuYasha's dubs annoy me (although I don't even like 'em in Japanese either), and I can only enjoy
Zatch Bell's dub thanks to nostalgia. As for everything else I've seen them do, they've all been really mediocre or pretty bad. Aside from their
Dragonball Z dub, FUNimation completely outclasses them in having consistent, high-quality dub work, which is why whenever there is a great new anime that comes out I really pray for FUNimation to get it.
:sweat: Kinda rambled about Viz there, but uh, yeah. FUNimation needs to dub
Hunter X Hunter. Stat.
According to this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKwaPSkjXp0), there are 259 uses of the F-word in the English dub for Black Lagoon.
If you divide that by 24 episodes, that makes for close to 11 uses of the F-word per episode on average. I honestly don't think that's overkill. That's like a single F-word every 2 minutes (though in actuality, you'll get several uses within the span of a minute or 2, and then no uses for most of the rest of the episode). I honestly don't think that would be overkill, myself. I think there have even been some South Park episodes with more bleeped out F-words than that.
As for Viz, I actually REALLY like their dub of Death Note, which IMO is their best one.
Their HXH dub is also worse than mediocre. I think its atrocious in the worst way possible. The voice-actors sound bored and clearly don't give a shit. At least with horrendous voice-acting where the VA's play its straight but just suck, it has a hilarious quality to it. With the HXH dub that Viz gave us, you get the sense that the VA's could have done better than they did, but obviously weren't even trying and just wanted a quick pay-check for no effort at all. I hate those kinds of dubs the most, as it shows now respect for the material that they are working with and is a big fuck-you to the fans who were looking forward to hearing the series in English. Personally, the Viz dub for HXH (1999) was a HUGE disappointment for me.
Doesn't S7 count as a shounen? It certainly feels like it's for that demographic (especially with the kid characters and the designs of the villagers).
Shounenshit was more or less just a general term. I know there are plenty of good shounen out there that are the shit, but most of the ones that are popular today are just plain ol' shit.
Viz dubbing HXH could be good if they use a studio other than Blue Water (Other than G Gundam and Megaman X, I don't think BW has turned out any good performances) like Bang Zoom, Studiopolis, or even Ocean. But for the most part, I'd rather have Funi dub it, if only because they did YYH.
I've never heard the term shounenshit before, but its now my new favorite word. :thumbup:
Oh, I guess then maybe they could get away with it, although I thought there was more profanity than that though from what I remembered. :sweat: However, "shit," "pussy," "cunt," and "dick" would also need to be censored as well, but if there really were only 11 f-bombs an episode, maybe it would still be manageable.
Quote from: Rynnec on May 27, 2013, 11:49:16 PM
Doesn't S7 count as a shounen? It certainly feels like it's for that demographic (especially with the kid characters and the designs of the villagers).
Maybe it's shounen, I dunno. It really falls into the same category as
Casshern Sins of not being easily recognizable in being part of a clear-cut kid or adult demographic.
Quote from: Rynnec on May 27, 2013, 11:49:16 PM
Shounenshit was more or less just a general term. I know there are plenty of good shounen out there that are the shit, but most of the ones that are popular today are just plain ol' shit.
I can concur. Aside from
One Piece, Case Closed, and
Toriko there aren't any currently running shounen manga that I really like these days. Although I've heard good things about
Kuroko no Basket, One-Man Punch,and
Sket Dance,
Medaka Box is fun from what I've read of it, and
Attack on Titan is awesome, so I'll probably check those out or read more of them sometime when I get the chance too.
Quote from: Daikun on May 27, 2013, 09:03:10 PM
The Toonami Tumblr had a Q&A today. Here's one notable response (http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/51472842335/are-you-guys-able-to-talk-about-the-specifics-for-the) about SAO:
QuoteWe watched a few (no, not all) episodes, reached an agreement, and now we're premiering the show in August!
That explains so much...
Yeah odds are they didn't witness the "greatness" that is Fairy Dance.
http://video.adultswim.com/one-piece/opening-theme.html (http://video.adultswim.com/one-piece/opening-theme.html)
You gotta love [adult swim]'s sense of humor. :sweat:
Sunday, June 9, 2013 Total Viewers 2+
12:00- Bleach: 1,405,000
12:30- Naruto: 1,336,000
1:00- One Piece: 1,127,000
1:30- Soul Eater: 1,056,000
2:00- IGPX: 985,000
2:30- Eureka 7: 869,000
3:00- Thundercats: 812,000
3:30- Sym-Bionic Titan: 874,000
4:00- FMA: Brotherhood: 886,000
4:30- Cowboy Bebop: 836,000
5:00- Inuyasha: 914,000
5:30- Inuyasha: 866,000
After all these years, and reruns, InuYasha can still pull in good numbers. Over 900,000 at 5am, jeez....
[adult swim], air the damn Final Act already. It's fans have waited long enough, and numbers like these for overplayed fucking reruns seem to kinda justify the cost.
In any case, these are easily the best numbers Toonami has ever gotten since the revival. Even IGPX nearly broke a million, at 2am! Even if I don't care for this lineup aside from the 1am hour, it'd be nice to see these kinds of numbers consistently in the future.
Something I made recently.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWRpnfscwjo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWRpnfscwjo)
The new Toonami lineup starting July 27th.
12:00AM - Bleach
12:30AM - Naruto
01:00AM - One Piece
01:30AM - Soul Eater
02:00AM - Sword Art Online
02:30AM - IGPX: Immortal Grand Prix
03:00AM - Eureka 7
03:30AM - Big O Season 2
04:00AM - Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
04:30AM - Cowboy Bebop
05:00AM - InuYasha
05:30AM - InuYasha
Thank god Sword Art Online is premiering later in the night at a time I can avoid it. I still wished they never picked it up in the first place though.
I'm glad at least that the One Piece/Soul Eater hour is unchanged. I can easily just go to sleep after watching them. Like, I'll miss out on IGPX I guess but I honestly I'm finding that show very boring and uninteresting so I'm not too reluctant to drop it at this point.
I'm disappointed they are airing The Big O season 2 again without having managed to reacquire season 1, but The Big O is awesome and you don't need season one to enjoy season 2 for the most part. Although, I'm surprised that they are airing The Big O instead of Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex again since Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex has more episodes, but I can clearly see that they want to keep a Giant Robot Hour in the block.
With Sword Art Online coming this early, I wonder what will replace Eureka 7 in August. It's also very strange that Thundercats and Sym-Bionic Titan are both gone from the lineup...I hope that they still have the ability to reair them in the future because while I've seen them enough times as it is and neither one is particularly a favorite of mine they are nice fodder for reruns and are a better alternative to more Cowboy Bebop and InuYasha reruns.
Looks like the "mystery show" will come in August then. I would've taken over FLCL or even GitS over Big O, if they can't air the first season then what's the point?
Oh, and they've lost the rights to Thundercats. (http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/53970342932/well-we-got-backdoored-again)
FLCL would only last six weeks though, so my guess is that they'll only run it if they need a small amount of time to buy until a slot opens up for a different show. I would have preferred the return of Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex as well, but it's pretty clear that they wanted to keep a Giant Robot Hour within the block, and I like Big O, so whatever. I am disappointed they are running season 2 without getting season 1 back, because the series really is meant to be watched in order, but hopefully one of these days they really will get season 1 back.
As far as Thundercats's expiration goes, I honestly don't really feel the loss but I am concerned at the loss of a show usable for the block's rerun hours. Maybe they can compensate by snatching The Secret Saturdays or Samurai Jack from Boomerang, but neither are very likely. I guess we are just going to have to accept consecutive Cowboy Bebop reruns and an hour of InuYasha reruns for quite a while.... :imnothappy:
Quote from: Rynnec on June 26, 2013, 07:03:40 PM
Looks like the "mystery show" will come in August then. I would've taken over FLCL or even GitS over Big O, if they can't air the first season then what's the point?
Oh, and they've lost the rights to Thundercats. (http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/53970342932/well-we-got-backdoored-again)
Which means definitely no chance for a revival of it. Somewhere, VileOne is sobbing into his pillow. :lol:
There was never any hope for a continuation of Thundercats; the crew had disbanded months before the last episode aired on Cartoon Network and moved to other jobs. Not that it really earned it because honestly that last half squandered it's plot too much with filler and otherwise uneven pacing and Pumyra, who is just an unpleasant character in every aspect. I didn't think it was all that awful, but it still wasn't all that good. I do love the episode where Tigra meets his clan though and the Soul Severer episode. Those were probably the best episodes of the season, but they were also filler, which is disappointing (well, I did also really like the episode with Ratar-O and the Trials of Lion-O, two-parter, but most of the actual plot episodes weren't really good).
As I suspected, his tears are most delicious.....
QuoteAlso take my advice and not compare this show to Avatar. You will be laughed at. You will be destroyed. It's not worth it, and above all they're not comparable.
How about you go fuck yourself? I was just going to let this all go until I read that. I am sick of your bullshit both here and in other threads. You don't like the show? Fine. But quit acting like your opinion is the fucking consensus that everyone agrees with like some arrogant asshole, and especially quit taking a shit on anything you don't like. There's a difference between criticizing and hating, and all I see from you is hate.
I made the comparison to Avatar, and I will keep making those comparisons because they are there. I like this show, a lot, it gave me something to think about. I have seen Avatar, the DCAU, Young Justice, and an ass load of other cartoons generally considered high quality by fans, so I like to believe I can make a good judgement over the quality of an animated show and don't blindly love every fucking thing. This reboot is my favorite, not just favorite cartoon but favorite piece of entertainment in a very long time, and it's probably going to be my favorite for a long time to come. I and others have analyzed the themes and the characters and have found plenty to like about this show. If this was as shitty a show as you claim, I doubt it's trope pages would be as large as they are. Every week on tumblr I see people live-blogging about the show when it airs on Toonami and lamenting about it being canceled. The guys at Toonami clearly think it's good enough to be on their block.
You think I'll get laughed at and destroyed by comparing this to the Sacred Cow that is Avatar? Well fuck you and any snob who thinks that way. I STILL have yet to see you give an GOOD argument as to why I can't, or why I'm wrong. All I see you post is a bunch of meaningless, unconstructive shit. Is Avatar a better cartoon? Yeah, probably, but it's not incomparable, because clearly I HAVE compared it, here and on Avatar forums. And you are the ONLY person I've ever seen to try and give me shit for making the comparison, which to me just makes you look like an asshole who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.
And yeah, Lion-O getting a bunch of races working with him is worth a few flying shits because of all the fucking racial tensions built up over centuries, so it's really important to see them working together. The races working together in the original series doesn't mean much if they were always living together peacefully. That's the fucking silver lining in the crashed cloud city, because it's showing that there's still some fucking hope, but I guess you're so busy being a blind hater about everything that you can't even fucking see that. You don't even bother giving an explanation why you think reboot Lion-O is a terrible messiah, you just go in believing it and that's what you see. And again, you over exaggerate character flaws that Lion-O and Tygra developed out of by the time of the trials. You know how many episodes Lion-O bitches and moans about Cheetara and Tygra? Fucking 2. Episodes 14, and 15. You could count episode 9, but that was barely anything. And Tygra gets over most of his shit right after 13.
The old Thundercats is still not that good just because it had a great intro. Even compared to other 80s cartoons like G.I. Joe it's writing wasn't as good. I haven't even seen much G.I. Joe and I already know it has much better continuity and character development from the very few episodes I've watched. Lion-O's trials in the original were some of my favorites, but in the end everything more or less goes back to the way it was. For such an important story arc, it didn't feel like much had changed or progressed by the next episode. At least with the reboot when Lion-O completes his trial he has his soul on the line, at least he offers to make an ultimate sacrifice worse than death. And at least by the end of the reboot's season there's some progress with the war effort because now he's got some allies when no one thought that was possible. At least there's some fucking significance behind that and things would have been different if it continued.
None of your shit is EVER going to change my opinion of this show. Whether you fucking like it or not, not everyone shares your shitty hateful opinions, and your shitty opinion isn't a fact no matter how much you bitch about it or try to act smug about it. Even people who don't like something can at least act with some fucking courtesy, of which you seem to have little of. At least when I hate something, like Dm C, I can at least try to give a good explanation as to WHY. That's one thing that separates good opinions from bad ones, and why I find your opinions terrible.
And a flaw still isn't a fact, a flaw for a fucking TV show is something that you have to personally find negative, as in an opinion, and just because in your opinion it's heavily flawed does not mean others see it as flawed. You can explain WHY you don't like it, but you can't undeniably prove that something MUST be disliked, especially when it comes to something as subjective as fictional entertainment, so it's not a fact. Maybe the show is flawed, but you've proven to me that you're such a blind hater clinging so hard to the fucking nostalgia that nothing can please you and you refuse to see anything positive after already deciding your opinion.
Rant over. Sorry, but that really pissed me off, and I really needed to vent that.
.3.
A dumb fanboy rant, although he does have the right to like whatever he likes, but he also needs to understand whoever he's addressing has the right to dislike whatever he dislikes.
I do agree with this sentiment though:
Quote
And a flaw still isn't a fact, a flaw for a TV show is something that you have to personally find negative, as in an opinion, and just because in your opinion it's heavily flawed does not mean others see it as flawed. You can explain WHY you don't like it, but you can't undeniably prove that something MUST be disliked, especially when it comes to something as subjective as fictional entertainment
Where did he post this?
Quote from: Cartoon X on June 27, 2013, 12:12:43 AM
A dumb fanboy rant, although he does have the right to like whatever he likes, but he also needs to understand whoever he's addressing has the right to dislike whatever he dislikes.
I do agree with this sentiment though:
Quote
And a flaw still isn't a fact, a flaw for a TV show is something that you have to personally find negative, as in an opinion, and just because in your opinion it's heavily flawed does not mean others see it as flawed. You can explain WHY you don't like it, but you can't undeniably prove that something MUST be disliked, especially when it comes to something as subjective as fictional entertainment
Except plot holes.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on June 27, 2013, 12:24:19 AM
Except plot holes.
That's true. But I feel the opinion is valid for more subjective things like liking certain characters/characterizations, plot developments (barring ones that cause plot holes), etc.
@Cartoon X: Even an idiotic punk like him can like whatever he wants, true. But he's entitled to an informed opinion, not an ignorant one. Anyway, my point in quoting him was showing how pathetic he is when he gets overly defensive. As well as of course his hypocrisy, considering he sicced 4Chan on GregX's blog.
Quote from: Avaitor on June 27, 2013, 12:13:32 AM
Where did he post this?
TV Tropes' forum. In the Western Animation section.
I wonder what they're going to do once Eureka 7 ends. By the time SAO premieres, that show will only have 3 episodes left. It just seems like it would be easier to make SAO the replacement for E7, then the Toonami crew won't have to worry about sudden schedule changes for a while.
As for the return of Big O... :srs: Really? They had to bring back the overplayed shitty season? I know they have the perpetual rights to it, but couldn't they wait for Sunrise to auction off season 1 (http://animationrevelation.com/forum/index.php?topic=976.0) first?
Quote from: Peanutbutter on June 27, 2013, 02:30:44 AM
@Cartoon X: Even an idiotic punk like him can like whatever he wants, true. But he's entitled to an informed opinion, not an ignorant one. Anyway, my point in quoting him was showing how pathetic he is when he gets overly defensive.
Of course I agree with this and I understood why you quoted him in the first place. I should've made my own stance more clear in my original reply since it reads more as a defense than a condemnation.
Quote from: Daikun on June 27, 2013, 03:45:59 AM
I wonder what they're going to do once Eureka 7 ends. By the time SAO premieres, that show will only have 3 episodes left. It just seems like it would be easier to make SAO the replacement for E7, then the Toonami crew won't have to worry about sudden schedule changes for a while.
Well, there's always that mystery show they keep talking about. Most people are speculating that's what will replace
Eureka 7 come August. If it's not coming that early, nothing's stopping them from bringing in
Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex or
Sym-Bionic Titan or
Fooly Cooly back for another rotation.
In either case the schedule wouldn't change that much. If we get the mystery show than all I expect to happen is
IGPX moving down to the 3am slot to keep the Giant Robot Hour a thing, while the mystery show gets 2:30am. If we aren't getting the mystery show, the 3am slot will just be taken up by whatever they choose to rerun. It wont be any more drastic a lineup change than the gap between the inclusion of
IGPX and
One Piece into the lineup (a similar gap of three weeks).
Quote from: Daikun on June 27, 2013, 03:45:59 AM
As for the return of Big O... :srs: Really? They had to bring back the overplayed shitty season? I know they have the perpetual rights to it, but couldn't they wait for Sunrise to auction off season 1 (http://animationrevelation.com/forum/index.php?topic=976.0) first?
Well, personally I love both seasons of
The Big O about equally, so any
The Big O is good
The Big O as far as I'm concerned. I do agree the second season was overplayed in the past and share the disappointment in their inability to recover the rights to the first season before reairing it. But c'est la vie. Hopefully in the future they will get season 1 back but as it is it has been over a year since season 2 of
The Big O has been played so one run now isn't going to hurt anything.
Quote from: Daikun on June 27, 2013, 03:45:59 AM
but couldn't they wait for Sunrise to auction off season 1 (http://animationrevelation.com/forum/index.php?topic=976.0) first?
You're assuming an AS friendly company will be the one to get grab Big O if and when it comes up.
Quote from: Lord Dalek on June 27, 2013, 01:33:53 PMYou're assuming an AS friendly company will be the one to get grab Big O if and when it comes up.
I would say it's the most likely scenario. Unless there are other companies I'm overlooking, Sentai is the only company that has a strained relationship with CN/AS. Everyone else is fair game.
It'd be ideal if Funimation got it since out of all of them they seem to have the best relationship with [adult swim] now.
Notable responses from today's Tumblr Q&A session.
QuoteQuote: So what made you decide to pick Sword Art Online? Was it because it reminded you of .hack// sign?
Answer: No, we picked it because a) many, many toonami fans asked us to pick it up, b) we watched as many eps as we could and liked it and felt it was a good fit, and c) our friends at Aniplex made us an offer we couldn?t refuse!
QuoteQuestion: What was behind the decision to air SAO after Soul Eater? Since it's a dub premier, I imagined it'd be in a much better position airing after the big 3. Is this purely based on Soul Eater's ratings or is it more involved than that?
Answer: It?s based on the fact that historically, the more stable our lineup has been, the better the ratings have been. We think this is because a stable lineup makes it easier to form habit tv watching. For this reason, we didn?t want to move any of our first four shows that are working so well, even for a premiere like SAO. That said, if it does really well, it might move up earlier!
Quote
Question: Someone is gonna ask this anyway so I figured I get it out the way. There is 1 or 2 minute tentacle scene in sword art online and some think its going turn away viewers. Do you agree that is stupid?
Answer: We aren?t worried about that scene turning away viewers, at all.
:srs:
Quote
Question: Do you have any concerns about the incest subplot in Sword Art Online?
Answer: Not particularly, no.
:unimpressed: :devil:
Quote
Question: Still willing to defend Tenchi Muyo GXP?
Answer: We don?t feel a need to! It aired, it did fine, some liked it, some didn?t. Same as most shows! We enjoyed it.
:whuh: :??:
Quote
Question: With Toonami back action shows are more focused than ever, but what does this mean about other adult themed genres like mystery shows who, in the past, found its way onto AS?
Answer: It means you?ll see less of that type of show, sorry. ;)
Guess we won't be getting shows like
Kids on the Slope anytime soon then... :(
Quote
Question: Hey Toonami crew! If you don't mind me asking, what was the hardest show (pre or post 2012) to acquire for Toonami?
Answer: IGPX
Quote
Question: Will IGPX get a second run or will you lose the rights after this run?
Answer: We should be able to run it for the forseeable future.
Meh.
Quote
Question: Any plans to review any Nintendo titles soon?
Answer: The Wii U is hard to capture footage with, and only two of the Toonami crew own one, so it?s taking some time! We?re working on it.
QuoteQuestion: Ten years ago, Toyfare published an article regarding the Zeta Gundam dub from Bandai, claiming that it was not going to just air in edited form on Cartoon Network, but again in uncut form on Adult Swim. Can you shed any light on why that never came to be?
Answer: Sure. That never happened because CN cancelled Mobile Suit Gundam due to low ratings. This of course lead Bandai to stop the Zeta dub, since it wasn?t clear they could get Zeta on American TV at that point!
QuoteQuestion: Maybe you can clear this up for me. I've been told that [as] produced the second season of Ghost In The Shell, but I don't see Williams Street or Turner listed anywhere in the production committee. Is this true or is my leg being pulled?
Answer: Adult Swim helped fund both Seasons of GITS but did not ?produce" the show. They just helped paid for it as a production partner
QuoteQuestion: With the rights to the thundercats lost and titan taking a break there wont be any American cartoons on toonami for a while. Does that concern you and you think it be better to stick to Anime only?
Answer: It?s not ideal, but we?re confident we?ll have more American animation on Toonami again!
QuoteQuestion: in your honest opinion, what do you think was the best show to ever grace toonami?
Answer: Cowboy. Bebop.
:sweat:
QuoteQuestion: You're getting a lot of Attack on Titan questions, but this one I don't think you've gotten yet. So far, how do y'all at Toonami like the show?
Answer: So far, we like it!
So they've been paying attention to it after all. Good! Hopefully they'll pick it up next year.
QuoteQuestion: What's one show you guys really wanted to air but never could be able to?
Answer: Hmmm Ranma 1/2 is one!
Oh, if only. Damn you, late 90's/early 2000's Cartoon Network censors....
QuoteQuestion: What are all yalls favorite anime?
Answer: Too many to list! Akira, The work of Miyazaki, the work of Satoshi Kon, Evangelion, the work of Mamoru Hosoda, GITS, Cowboy Bebop (and all Watanabe), Ranma 1/2, FLCL, and on, and on?.
Well, at least we know they still have
diverse and good taste... Hopefully they play to their more "mature" sensibilities in their next few pickups.
QuoteQuestion: Toonami seems like a shonen block.
Answer: We don?t care about classifications like ?shonen." Toonami has always been about great action shows, and always will. Anyone expecting anything less than that from us is looking in the wrong place!
See, I can agree with not caring about classifications too...but at the same time I am looking for engaging and quality series, not shows like
Sword Art Online and
IGPX. I like
Soul Eater, love
One Piece, and can enjoy all the shows airing on the last half of the block to various degrees, but I've seen all of those shows before and the kinds of stories being told on the block just don't have enough diversity and generally don't really feel very...mature. I wish they would air new and more "mature" shows alongside the more fun and "energetic" shows like
One Piece, but pickups like
Tenchi Muyo! GXP and
Sword Art Online make me think that they will just air whatever they want without care for diversity or quality, which disappoints me. :-\
QuoteQuestion: Someone is gonna ask this anyway so I figured I get it out the way. There is 1 or 2 minute tentacle scene in sword art online and some think its going turn away viewers. Do you agree that is stupid?
Answer: We aren?t worried about that scene turning away viewers, at all.
Quote
Question: Do you have any concerns about the incest subplot in Sword Art Online?
Answer: Not particularly, no.
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2F3eed5df5e8a182834bf553a1a3ec125f%2Ftumblr_mjgzifGyB81rk34afo1_250.gif&hash=94acdafb66e68f991e7782009feedac546ec67a3)
Someone tell me the day the bad episodes air so I can see the reactions on TZ's Toonami board. :sly:
After episode 14.
Quote from: Nel_Annette on June 30, 2013, 10:39:19 PM
Someone tell me the day the bad episodes air so I can see the reactions on TZ's Toonami board. :sly:
Well...
Episodes 1-3 - decent
Episodes 4-7 - eh
Episodes 8-10 - Starting to take a turn for the worse (funny enough this goes hand in hand with the point they actually start adapting the original SAO novel).
Episode 11-14 - godawful (the Yui arc) to barely tolerable (the fisherman guy filler story) back to frustratingly godawful (Episode 14)
Episode 15-25 - Horse manure.
So basically we should start hitting shit around October 5.
Here's a little something I made recently for a contest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUY5XtAHNHw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUY5XtAHNHw)
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=518526991553733&set=vb.152361198170316&type=2&theater
It looks like a certain eXtra Large Robot is joining the Toonami lineup. :swoon: :worship:
If Steve means what I think he means, then that's great news! But I thought Cartoon Network gave up the rights to that show.
They did as far as I know, but it probably didn't take that long for them to get them back from whatever company had them.
Quote from: Peanutbutter on July 10, 2013, 03:05:11 PMIt looks like a certain eXtra Large Robot is joining the Toonami lineup. :swoon: :worship:
I know. Big O is coming back.
:happytime:
Quote from: Silverstar on July 10, 2013, 05:40:00 PMIf Steve means what I think he means, then that's great news! But I thought Cartoon Network gave up the rights to that show.
They did the same for
IGPX.
It has begun, children. Revel in it's "this premise is such bullshit" glory.
Quote from: Daikun on May 05, 2013, 06:34:42 PMZatch Bell would make a great addition to Vortexx.
Quote from: Cartoon X on May 05, 2013, 07:56:17 PMAnyway, I think Viz stopped distributing the series long ago, so it's not going anywhere, much less Toonami (and even if it could air on it, I wouldn't want it on Toonami. I like the show a lot and all, but especially with the Viz dub it wouldn't fit on an adult-oriented block).
Hey, look what just got relicensed! (http://toonamiinfolink.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1264)
I'm not sure whether they have the ability to license the series for television broadcast in the U.S. again, though. They might just have the home video distribution rights. In any case, it'll be great to finally purchase the series on DVD again, since I never bought the season 1 releases Viz put out way back when and they never released it in full. It would be nice if it was a sub-only release, if only to get the final 47 episodes that Viz never dubbed on DVD as well.
Quote from: Nel_Annette on June 30, 2013, 10:39:19 PMSomeone tell me the day the bad episodes air so I can see the reactions on TZ's Toonami board. :sly:
You don't have to wait long. The FIRST episode is already getting ragged on!
Lap up all the misery here. (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/adult-swim-toonami-forum/305517-c-c-sword-art-online-world-swords-%5B7-27%5D.html) :sly:
*Tries to imitate Mario from Glove and Boots voice*
OH DEAR LORD!!! EVEN GATOMON HATED IT?!!?! What spawn of Satan is this that has befallen to us?!!!!
Quote from: Daikun on July 29, 2013, 01:26:07 AM
Quote from: Nel_Annette on June 30, 2013, 10:39:19 PMSomeone tell me the day the bad episodes air so I can see the reactions on TZ's Toonami board. :sly:
You don't have to wait long. The FIRST episode is already getting ragged on!
Lap up all the misery here. (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/adult-swim-toonami-forum/305517-c-c-sword-art-online-world-swords-%5B7-27%5D.html) :sly:
:awesome: Oh I know man. I was right in there with the rest of them. This series may end up giving me the most fun I've had on TZ in a long while.
Wow, they all hated what is probably the best episode of the show. Can't wait to see how they react when it gets really bad.
That was the best episode of the show? :wth:
Quote from: Rynnec on July 29, 2013, 04:05:07 PM
That was the best episode of the show? :wth:
It has the least otaku pandering and the best character writing of the entire series.
...I know.
Quote from: Foggle on July 29, 2013, 04:48:19 PM
Quote from: Rynnec on July 29, 2013, 04:05:07 PM
That was the best episode of the show? :wth:
It has the least otaku pandering and the best character writing of the entire series.
...I know.
This is going to be a fun 24 weeks.
Quote from: Foggle on July 29, 2013, 03:18:25 PM
Wow, they all hated what is probably the best episode of the show. Can't wait to see how they react when it gets really bad.
Actually, a couple of them didn't. It may not be as bad as other episodes to come so I could understand some people going into not knowing what the fuss is all about. But for me, just reading about what happens in the last half of the series creeped me out. I may peek at the first few episodes sometime, but I'm not going anywhere near the rest.
Quote from: Rynnec on July 29, 2013, 05:08:23 PM
Quote from: Foggle on July 29, 2013, 04:48:19 PM
Quote from: Rynnec on July 29, 2013, 04:05:07 PM
That was the best episode of the show? :wth:
It has the least otaku pandering and the best character writing of the entire series.
...I know.
This is going to be a fun 24 weeks.
You have no idea.
In fact, someone seems really upset about the reaction to the show, even though he admitted that he hasn't seen any of it. Didn't he get that most people did?
Quote from: Lord Dalek on July 29, 2013, 05:11:14 PM
Quote from: Rynnec on July 29, 2013, 05:08:23 PM
Quote from: Foggle on July 29, 2013, 04:48:19 PM
Quote from: Rynnec on July 29, 2013, 04:05:07 PM
That was the best episode of the show? :wth:
It has the least otaku pandering and the best character writing of the entire series.
...I know.
This is going to be a fun 24 weeks.
You have no idea.
Truly the Toonami we all deserve.
OK, Look, I can live with HXH never having a chance of getting licensed and airing on Toonami. Really, I can. What I can't begin to even fathom is why THIS show, which so many people already actively hated, got licensed, dubbed, and aired on Toonami ASAP? Don't the people who are in charge of this block listen to their viewer feedback? Wasn't it already popular to bash this show before it even finished airing? Well, maybe I'm off the mark and it was genuinely popular and had a huge fan-base, but from what I can tell most people were saying it was shit. But, then again, maybe I'm only basing that off of what I've seen people say about the show on this board.
Still, its really starting to tick me off that there are other good shows that could easily be licensed and aired on Toonami for an affordable price, but none of those shows have a shot on a block like this when nobody actually shows any interest in watching them. Its sad, but its the bitter truth of the matter, I suppose.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on July 29, 2013, 06:02:37 PM
Well, maybe I'm off the mark and it was genuinely popular and had a huge fan-base
It does, but not among what I'd assume is Toonami's audience. SAO is written like a bad fanfiction and is stuffed to the brim with otaku-pandering garbage, so it wouldn't really appeal to people who'd want to watch anime dubbed or even on TV.
Quote from: Foggle on July 29, 2013, 06:32:55 PM
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on July 29, 2013, 06:02:37 PM
Well, maybe I'm off the mark and it was genuinely popular and had a huge fan-base
It does, but not among what I'd assume is Toonami's audience. SAO is written like a bad fanfiction and is stuffed to the brim with otaku-pandering garbage, so it wouldn't really appeal to people who'd want to watch anime dubbed or even on TV.
Which is ironic considering how Kawahara wrote bad fanfiction to his own bad fanfiction.
...which is why I'm looking forward to the lengthy discussion of 16.5 when episode 10 airs.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on July 29, 2013, 06:02:37 PM
OK, Look, I can live with HXH never having a chance of getting licensed and airing on Toonami. Really, I can. What I can't begin to even fathom is why THIS show, which so many people already actively hated, got licensed, dubbed, and aired on Toonami ASAP? Don't the people who are in charge of this block listen to their viewer feedback? Wasn't it already popular to bash this show before it even finished airing? Well, maybe I'm off the mark and it was genuinely popular and had a huge fan-base, but from what I can tell most people were saying it was shit. But, then again, maybe I'm only basing that off of what I've seen people say about the show on this board.
Still, its really starting to tick me off that there are other good shows that could easily be licensed and aired on Toonami for an affordable price, but none of those shows have a shot on a block like this when nobody actually shows any interest in watching them. Its sad, but its the bitter truth of the matter, I suppose.
The unfortunate thing is...
Sword Art Online was the most talked about and popular new anime of 2012, which is probably why Aniplex was eager to pick it up and pushed for it to air on Toonami. While the show garnered a huge (and deserved) hatedom as it continued on, especially once it's second half began, it still retained plenty of fans who somehow enjoyed it to the end, this audience mainly being the kind of otaku schmucks that like stuff like
Bleach and
Angel Beats. As far as the entirety of the internet could tell you, the ratio of people who like
Sword Art Online to those who don't is about 50/50, the majority opinion being different depending on which forum/site you visit.
I think the Toonami staff no longer trusts fan opinions for the most part because of the massive amount of fans who complained about the block's revival from the beginning and demanded
Dragonball Z and those who continued to bash successive acquisitions, although of course
GXP's hate was warranted and proven when the show had to be pushed to 3am. In any case, they paid no attention to the overall opinion on the show, and even if they did they saw it as 50/50 and read positive and negative articles about it and felt the negatives weren't deal-breaking. They stated themselves they only watched 2 episodes before picking it up anyway, so they missed the real crap the show shits out further into it's run. As far as the stuff like the incest subplot goes, they probably think people are making it up and it isn't actually in the show. So basically, they picked up the show without actually watching to see if it's questionable content existed and paid no attention to the criticism of the series at all. Aniplex also offered the series at a reasonable price, apparently, and the fact Toonami would have a dub premiere AND an Aniplex series AND a recent anime also likely influenced their decision to pick it up.
As far as Toonzone goes, the forums aren't indicative of a shows general popularity with the masses. The
Bleach anime talkbacks on the Adult Swim/Toonami board are primarily negative with only Radical and Zoombie tending to actually enjoy the episode, yet as we all know,
Bleach is the highest rated show on the block right now. Until the ratings are released, it is unclear whether the audience of Toonami at large truly hates the series a la
GXP, or whether it is a
Bleach or
Family Guy situation of a show that is generally disliked at sites like Toonzone but enjoyed by casual viewers at large.
Sword Art Online got 930,000 viewers on Saturday. At least it wasn't a million, but those are very strong numbers for 2am, the second time that slot has seen 900,000+ viewers in Toonami's revival. Bah. I don't care how much they paid for it, I hope it does worse and is pushed back in successive weeks a la GXP. It just didn't deserve to be on U.S. television, much less dubbed in English at all.
Quote from: Cartoon X on July 28, 2013, 10:47:10 AMI'm not sure whether they have the ability to license the series for television broadcast in the U.S. again, though. They might just have the home video distribution rights. In any case, it'll be great to finally purchase the series on DVD again, since I never bought the season 1 releases Viz put out way back when and they never released it in full. It would be nice if it was a sub-only release, if only to get the final 47 episodes that Viz never dubbed on DVD as well.
A bit of an update: (http://www.rightstuf.com/1-800-338-6827/catalogmgr/nu4ekwp8yhoJyt05vq/browse/item/98925/4/0/0) It will only be the Viz-dubbed episodes (1-104), not a complete series release.
Well, hopefully they'll at least have the subbed version of those episodes on the discs as well. The dub doesn't really hold up that well, in my opinion, although some moments (Very Melon, for instance) are made even more enjoyable in the dub.
Well, it's been confirmed that Star Wars: The Clone Wars will be replacing Eureka 7 when it ends.
Eh, can't say I'm thrilled, but for the most part I thought The Clone Wars was an alright series, although admittedly I stopped watching it after season 2 until the Darth Maul episodes. It's a decent addition to the block, a CGI american cartoon giving a little variety to the block, and it's aired on [adult swim] before and garnered decent ratings, and around the same level as maturity as the rest of the block Bebop aside, so I'll take it instead of more reruns FLCL or Ghost in the Shell (although I'd like Ghost in the Shell to return to replace Cowboy Bebop after it's current run).
Oh, but in cooler news, Evangelion 2.22: YOU CAN [NOT] ADVANCE will be broadcast on August 31st along with a special goodie! Sweet! :shakeshakeshake:
Shit or not, I wonder if Evangelion 3.33: YOU CAN [NOT] REDO will have a dub premiere release on Toonami? :thinkin:
Probably.
As an aside, I wonder how much they'd have to butcher End of Eva to air that.
The Clone Wars = Meh. Nice to see they're adding more variety to the lineup, but couldn't they pick something better? I really hope it's just filler until something better comes along (hopefully, in a few months).
Evangelion 2.22, though... :swoon:
Clone Wars is something they should've aired much earlier. Nice about Evangelion 2.22 though.
Quote from: Daikun on July 31, 2013, 04:30:30 PM
The Clone Wars = Meh. Nice to see they're adding more variety to the lineup, but couldn't they pick something better?
They said it was practically free for them to air. That and the fact they've wanted to air it for a long time led them to put it on.
Personally, while I'm not a big fan of it, I think it's addition was a good decision because it new to [adult swim] reruns after the first season and will take up a slot for two good years, meaning less immediate repeats of the shorter series and a better rotation for them. I can dig that. Plus, the variety thing is nice to see too.
The next time a window will open up for a new show will be the last week of October, when
IGPX ends and both
Big O and
Bebop end their current runs. I wouldn't expect a newer title, but with fans ranting and demanding them to air "adult" anime, I'd hope one of those shows takes a break for something both new to the network and a good series produced for a primary audience of adults *cough*
Black Lagoon *cough*.
The Clone Wars is all right. Its a good to decent show, the problem with it is that its continuity has ADD. It'll have one episode with Anakin and Obi-Wan, then a three episode arc with the Sith, then another episode or two with the Clone Army etc. It goes way too all over the place. And plus, the beginnings of a lot of episodes don't even explain what happened in the previous episode; they just cover a short time skip. It should have just picked ONE and only ONE set of characters per season. Not all this jump over all around and ahead nonsense.
Quote from: Daikun on June 27, 2013, 11:04:54 PM
Quote from: Lord Dalek on June 27, 2013, 01:33:53 PMYou're assuming an AS friendly company will be the one to get grab Big O if and when it comes up.
I would say it's the most likely scenario. Unless there are other companies I'm overlooking, Sentai is the only company that has a strained relationship with CN/AS. Everyone else is fair game.
God damn it! (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-08-10/sentai-filmworks-adds-sacred-seven-big-o-kurokami-more) :gonk:
Quote from: Daikun on August 10, 2013, 08:23:42 PM
Quote from: Daikun on June 27, 2013, 11:04:54 PM
Quote from: Lord Dalek on June 27, 2013, 01:33:53 PMYou're assuming an AS friendly company will be the one to get grab Big O if and when it comes up.
I would say it's the most likely scenario. Unless there are other companies I'm overlooking, Sentai is the only company that has a strained relationship with CN/AS. Everyone else is fair game.
God damn it! (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-08-10/sentai-filmworks-adds-sacred-seven-big-o-kurokami-more) :gonk:
CURSE YOU SENTAI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :anger:
Actually, Sentai is apparently interested in getting some of their titles on Cartoon Network/[adult swim]/Toonami, so it's not completely impossible for season one of The Big O to return, but I still wouldn't say it's likely to ever happen, since Toonami is more focused on getting newer/new to the block shows than already aired titles.
As far as I'm concerned, the bigger priority should be getting Michiko to Hatchin or Black Lagoon, or heck, a crap load of newer awesome, made for a primary audience of adult titles, than reruns of a great, but played out older series.
Besides Big O (and maybe Majestic Prince), does Sentai have anything that CN would even want to air? Remember this is the company that thought licensing Flowers of Evil was a good and profitable idea.
Battle Girls Time Paradox
Koihime Musou
Horizon In The Middle Of Nowhere
Destiny of the Shrine Maiden
Fate/Stay Night
Prisma Illya
"Filler never felt so good."
Ha, that's easily one of the best lines they've ever said in a promo. :lol:
While we're briefly on the subject of Sentai...
Does anyone happen to know what their pricing is like? Is it crazy expensive like Aniplex?
Quote from: Daikun on August 11, 2013, 12:19:23 AM
While we're briefly on the subject of Sentai...
Does anyone happen to know what their pricing is like? Is it crazy expensive like Aniplex?
About the same as Funi. Aniplex is the only terrible US distributor as far as I know.
Oh, good. Although season 1's chances of coming back to TV seem slim now, at least I know I can get it on Blu-Ray for cheap. :thumbup:
Quote from: Foggle on August 11, 2013, 12:21:16 AM
Quote from: Daikun on August 11, 2013, 12:19:23 AM
While we're briefly on the subject of Sentai...
Does anyone happen to know what their pricing is like? Is it crazy expensive like Aniplex?
About the same as Funi. Aniplex is the only terrible US distributor as far as I know.
I haven't done price comparisons among distributors for a while. I do know that in Sentai's earlier days their prices seemed more on the ridiculous side (their first few titles had only mediocre dubs, too). They may've smartened up since then.
Aniplex USA.. well, they need a swift kick in the ass.
With Sentai you can buy all 106 episodes of the original Gatchaman on Blu for 1/7th of what Aniplex is charging for Lagann.
There you go.
Quote from: Daikun on August 11, 2013, 12:23:38 AM
Oh, good. Although season 1's chances of coming back to TV seem slim now, at least I know I can get it on Blu-Ray for cheap. :thumbup:
You might be disappointed from the lack of Big O! As the theme song.
YOU LOSE! (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-08-11/gurren-lagann-to-stream-on-viz-media-neon-alley-service)
Quote from: Lord Dalek on August 11, 2013, 12:12:11 PM
Quote from: Daikun on August 11, 2013, 12:23:38 AM
Oh, good. Although season 1's chances of coming back to TV seem slim now, at least I know I can get it on Blu-Ray for cheap. :thumbup:
You might be disappointed from the lack of Big O! As the theme song.
I heard something about that.
Well... if one had an old copy of Queen's Flash Gordon soundtrack lying around, it may help alleviate withdrawal symtoms somewhat. ;D
You may find this a bit distressing. (http://www.tvmediainsights.com/highlights/29128/adultswim-ratings-scorecard-week-of-august-5-2013/)
Quote from: Lord Dalek on August 13, 2013, 02:58:35 PM
You may find this a bit distressing. (http://www.tvmediainsights.com/highlights/29128/adultswim-ratings-scorecard-week-of-august-5-2013/)
Time to kill myself
CURSE YOU SAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :anger: :anger:
but it is cool to see 5 shows at 1 million+
Quote from: Lord Dalek on August 13, 2013, 02:58:35 PM
You may find this a bit distressing. (http://www.tvmediainsights.com/highlights/29128/adultswim-ratings-scorecard-week-of-august-5-2013/)
Amazing to see there are people who still like Bleach and Naruto that much. O_o
I am saddened to see shit like Sword Art get more viewers than One Piece, or even Soul Eater for that matter. But, of course, it's nice to see 5 shows get over a million on the block. As bad as Sword Art is, it's performance will at least open the doors for more Aniplex titles to get on Toonami. Hopefully they pick a good one next time, like Fate/Zero, and not a godawful one...like Valverave.
Depends on how long does Neon Alley get to run shows and what are the terms of signing contracts (if its exclusivity then we may end up being stuck with Valvrave or worse... FUCKING VIVIDRED).
Five shows in the millions? :joy: DAMN, SON!
Quote from: Lord Il on August 13, 2013, 03:26:36 PMAmazing to see there are people who still like Bleach and Naruto that much. O_o
Hopefully, the
Bleach ratings shouldn't last. The main antagonist was defeated this week--the main story is over. Expect tons of filler from here on out.
Quote from: Lord Dalek on August 13, 2013, 02:58:35 PM
You may find this a bit distressing. (http://www.tvmediainsights.com/highlights/29128/adultswim-ratings-scorecard-week-of-august-5-2013/)
I find this to be more than distressing.....
This is sad and pathetic
Quote from: TheEclecticDude on August 14, 2013, 10:45:25 AM
I find this to be more than distressing.....
This is sad and pathetic
For who?
Pfft....
You got me there, I got no idea.
more then 1 million tuned for an episode that can be best summed as 'big ole lot of nothing'. What more can I say? :wth:
To be fair, most of those viewers probably didn't know what they were getting themselves into.
Those poor, innocent, young fools.
My brain says give it til Fairy Dance to see what happens but you never know with these people.
That being said, I'm actually dreading the exact opposite reaction Foggle and I had of finding Aincrad to be somewhat ok for the most part but Alfheim to be hell on earth.
You're gonna need a lot of coffee for August 31.
Evangelion 2.22 will be nearly 4 hours long. (http://schedule.adultswim.com/servlet/ScheduleServlet?action=AS&theDate=8/31/13&timeZone=EST)
Wow, they're actually pre-empting Bleach and Naruto for once. But isn't the movie only two hours long? At most it should only last 3 hours with commercials, right? Hmm....
I'm curious to see what that "special" is. Hopefully I can stay up to actually watch this, that week being as busy as it is for me...
Quote from: Daikun on June 27, 2013, 03:45:59 AM
I wonder what they're going to do once Eureka 7 ends. By the time SAO premieres, that show will only have 3 episodes left. It just seems like it would be easier to make SAO the replacement for E7, then the Toonami crew won't have to worry about sudden schedule changes for a while.
As for the return of Big O... :srs: Really? They had to bring back the overplayed shitty season? I know they have the perpetual rights to it, but couldn't they wait for Sunrise to auction off season 1 (http://animationrevelation.com/forum/index.php?topic=976.0) first?
One episode of Big O is better than the entirety of that Eureka 7 shit.
Quote from: Daikun on August 17, 2013, 03:40:48 AM
Evangelion 2.22 will be nearly 4 hours long. (http://schedule.adultswim.com/servlet/ScheduleServlet?action=AS&theDate=8/31/13&timeZone=EST)
What the hell? The movie isn't even two hours long. Does this mean that they're going to have over 90 minutes of commercials during it? That would be unwatchable.
Quote from: Foggle on August 17, 2013, 02:24:45 PM
Quote from: Daikun on August 17, 2013, 03:40:48 AM
Evangelion 2.22 will be nearly 4 hours long. (http://schedule.adultswim.com/servlet/ScheduleServlet?action=AS&theDate=8/31/13&timeZone=EST)
What the hell? The movie isn't even two hours long. Does this mean that they're going to have over 90 minutes of commercials during it? That would be unwatchable.
But we gotta have ad money, and that would be very un-bro-like to us Toonami faithful like DeMarco if we can't make our money.
Quote from: Foggle on August 17, 2013, 02:24:45 PM
Quote from: Daikun on August 17, 2013, 03:40:48 AM
Evangelion 2.22 will be nearly 4 hours long. (http://schedule.adultswim.com/servlet/ScheduleServlet?action=AS&theDate=8/31/13&timeZone=EST)
What the hell? The movie isn't even two hours long. Does this mean that they're going to have over 90 minutes of commercials during it? That would be unwatchable.
Either that, or we'll be getting
a lot of music videos between breaks.
There's also the possibility the schedule is wrong. Like, give the 12am hour back to Bleach and Naruto and then the time length makes sense, so maybe they are actually airing those two then and the movie will start at 1am.
They also could be exaggerating the time it'll take up right now on the schedule to hide some surprise. The music video/shorts possibility would make a lot of sense too. Either way, I doubt that we'll seriously get 90 minutes of commercials.
Quote from: Rynnec on August 17, 2013, 02:35:11 PM
Quote from: Foggle on August 17, 2013, 02:24:45 PM
Quote from: Daikun on August 17, 2013, 03:40:48 AM
Evangelion 2.22 will be nearly 4 hours long. (http://schedule.adultswim.com/servlet/ScheduleServlet?action=AS&theDate=8/31/13&timeZone=EST)
What the hell? The movie isn't even two hours long. Does this mean that they're going to have over 90 minutes of commercials during it? That would be unwatchable.
Either that, or we'll be getting a lot of music videos between breaks.
I won't complain if they play nothing but this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2sAi2i2JZw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dx2sAi2i2JZw& (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2sAi2i2JZw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dx2sAi2i2JZw&)
I could see it maybe making sense if they were re-airing the first movie AND this movie back-to-back. That would also be a good way to get people who missed the network premiere of the first film to get caught-up with the story, which would in-turn probably increase their ratings for the sequel that could premiere at 1 AM.
Of course, that idea just makes WAY too much sense, so of course that isn't what they are doing.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on August 17, 2013, 03:00:56 PM
I could see it maybe making sense if they were re-airing the first movie AND this movie back-to-back. That would also be a good way to get people who missed the network premiere of the first film to get caught-up with the story, which would in-turn probably increase their ratings for the sequel that could premiere at 1 AM.
Of course, that idea just makes WAY too much sense, so of course that isn't what they are doing.
So an Assy McGee marathon it is.
So...the thought that the schedule is simply wrong is completely out of the question? :P
In any case, Jason DeMarco has been answering questions on Reddit. Some Notable responses:
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1. Now that Funimation has US distribution rights for Cowboy Bebop will that affect [AS] the next time they try and renew their rights? 2. Most requested show for Toonami besides DBZ?
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1. It may! 2. Currently, Attack on Titan. Last year, Sword Art Online!
Sword Art really was the most requested show last year, according to him, and
Attack on Titan is the most requested for this year. I think it's likely we'll see the latter on the block next year, though personally I don't care much for the show, but at least it's not shit like
Sword Art.
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Jason, what would you say is the most misunderstood part of the Toonami process by the fans?
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OOOOH GOOD QUESTION. Picking shows and moving shows around in the rotation, EASILY.
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Speaking of Sentai Filmworks, I hear there's some rumors about bad blood between the two of you. Is that true?
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Not true at all. Never listen to rumors.
So yeah, no beef with Sentai.
Big O season 1 is not completely out of the question.
Q: 1) Sunrise/Bandai recently released a lot of their properties that were in "license hell" to Funimation and Sentai for western distribution ? and a lot of these titles were past Toonami favotires? Namely, Outlaw Star and Big O season 1? And Since Big O season 2 JUST started to air again on Toonami? Would you like to take this chance to say anything official about Big O season 1 returning and/or any of the other shows that have been rescued? Or is it still too early to say anything? 2) I don't expect that'd you'd be able to comment on this specifically, but based on the kind of answer you give to the first question you might know something. so?
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Thanks! You're right, it IS too early to say anything about those recently licensed titles. Obviously, if money is involved we sort of have no choice but to gravitate towards newer/higher profile shows, but we LOOOVE Gundam and Outlaw Star, so I'd never rule them out. I have not heard anything re: Gundam on our end, either, being totally honest. We?ll see I guess.
Q: What would your long term and short term achievements be for Toonami in the future? What do you believe is the "next stop" on the constant journey of Toonami? We have a lot of people making stuff like fantasy schedules and ideal show acquisitions, which all have a personal agenda behind them, but we?ve never really asked what you consider is the "way forward" for Toonami.
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Well, for us, making more new TOM, SARA and Absolution animation is a constant struggle. Beyond that, we'd love to get the Clydes back on the air. We also want to be able to premiere more new shows, and perhaps even premiere something simultaneously in the US and Japan? And of course, expansion would be great?
Space Dandy simulcast. Calling it. :lol:
Q: Is there any show that you regret putting on toonami?
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Ha! I don't "regret" anything, but that Tenchi GXP was not the show we hoped it would be. I'll take an "L" on that one. Hahaha.
He admits
GXP was a mistake. Some hope there.
Q: What would your dream lineup for toonami be?
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A:Hahah this is a tricky one. It would probably include FLCL, DBZ, Naruto Shippuden, Turn A Gundam, Gundam Wing, and some hot new stuff!
DeMarco loves
FLCL,
Dragonball Z,
Naruto Shippuden, and
Gundam Wing, guys. He's just a fan of them, whether we like them or not. So if they air on Toonami, it's cause he really does like, and with some really loves, them, and it wouldn't just be about ratings or money. If that's the kind of Toonami he wants, and would love, then you have to wonder whether you could honestly call the direction the block is going now "selling out," and whether Toonami in the past was ever less of the Toonami team's dream lineup than what they would like and are trying to make.
Q: With Sentai Filmworks licensing The Big O Season 1, would it be possible to show it on Toonami?
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It's too early to say. We'd for sure like to put it on, but of course it all comes down to money, right?
See, it's not out of the cards. If Sentai really is gunning for a deal with Toonami, and if the price is right, it has a chance of actually happening.
Q: Would you ever consider replacing Inuyasha when it ends and requiring Yu Yu Hakusho again (if you can of course!)? I feel like YYH has so much potential to return later at night and have an hour of that show or a half hour. It would be amazing and perfect for the other half of the block. Who doesn't love YYH?
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Thanks! We love YYH and it's certainly something we'd consider. It's all about money.
Money. That's what it comes down to folks. IT. HAS. TO. DO. WITH. MONEY. If you want
Yu Yu Hakusho back, they are more than happy to air it, but first they need enough money.
Q: Me and my fiancee (who had never seen dragonball) just went though the entire series. While the original DB is my favorite, I had never seen gt as I heard horrible things. Now that I have seen it, its really not that bad. What is your option on GT and overall favorite out of all three series?
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I am madly in love with Dragon Ball and think of it as one of the most perfect action/comedy shows ever made. DBZ ramps up the ass kicking in a great way, but I don't love it QUITE as much. GT is okay, but you can clearly tell things are running out of steam.
:thumbup: . And I agree with him about
GT not being just "okay" instead of horrible as well.
Q: What's your all time favorite anime?
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A: FLCL, Lain, Future Boy Conan, Cowboy Bebop, Gundam Wing, Ranma 1/2, Star Blazers are all at the top for me.
I'm glad he's a fan of both
Lain and
Ranma 1/2. Love those shows, and both are kinda underappreciated nowadays, so it's nice to see a fan of them, even more so both of them. :)
Q: Why are we not getting short shows on the block? I thought you guys were finally on track trying to pick up short shows after SAO, but I was wrong since you gave us another 100+ series (star wars). I'm afraid at this rate you're going to rerun Soul Eater or SAO and then when Bleach is over you'll rerun that. Are we at least going to see more short series in the future or is Toonami doomed with 50-100+ series? As of right now we have at least 7 shows over 50 episodes and that leaves no room for replacements for years almost. Thanks.
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"Short shows" and the idea of them being "Good for the block" seems to be an invention of the recent Toonami fandom. So far, stability has been waaay better for us in terms of ratings that "mixing it up," as it were. We would never turn down a show for not having enough episodes, but I think it's pretty dramatic to say anything longer than 26 eps "dooms" fans. We're looking at all kinds of shows, and we may rotate some shorter shows in when we can. But it's not a priority and it never has been.
I think this is a bad thing, mostly because a lot of longrunners lose quality and steam as they go on, and most of them are shonen action series that aren't that good. However, they are looking at all sorts of shows, so at the end of the day, it's going to come down to 1. Money and 2. What they like.
Q: Are you guys going to lose FMA Brotherhood in 2014? On a similar note I've been wondering how much longer you'll have the rights to Cowboy Bebop, FLCL and InuYasha without renewing them again.
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I can?t tell you that info on here, sorry. We want to keep FLCL and Bebop FOREVER, I will say that.
Q: Any progress on the Toonami comics talked about awhile back that would show the transition between Tom 3.0 to Tom 4.0?
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SLOOOOW progress, but yes, we're still working on it!
Q: It seems like the prospect of an uncut run of Clone Wars is getting people that I know interested (and they weren't before they found that out). Is it still a possibility that you'll be able to get those tapes?
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Sadly, it?s not a possibility. We tried to make that happen but it?s not something we will be allowed to do.
Q: What animes do adult swim have the rights to but are not being aired right now?
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Sorry, can't get into that on here!
Q: With INUYASHA currently airing do you think at some point you guys might get your hands on INUYASHA: THE FINAL ACT?
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We?d like to, but again, it's all about money. We?ll see!
Q: How do you feel about the current cartoons that CN has been broadcasting during the day?
QuoteA: I think the current CN is broadcasting at least two straight up classic cartoons now (Adventure Time and Regular Show), and has come other very good shows coming. CN is looking pretty good to me. Could use more action though! :)
I agree with him. I think both
Adventure Time and
Regular Show will be fondly remembered as classics years after they are gone.
Q: A) Any plans on lopping off Inuyahsa to only a half hour to make room for another show somewhere in the block in near future?
B) The Ben 10 commercials that ran in Eureka 7? what was up with that?? Ben10/Ren10 became a meme on 4chan because it came like clockwork every week. I?m sure there was some agreement with Bandai involved but its somewhat of an urban legend that it was done somewhat intentionally. Silly aint it Any comment on it will do ? I?m just curious about if you guys were even aware it had become an internet joke than anything.
C)On B, was it at their request or yours?
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A) Not at present. B) It was part of our agreement with Bandai to be able to re-air the show. C) It was at their request. (shrugs)
Q: Are you guys going to lose FMA Brotherhood in 2014? On a similar note I've been wondering how much longer you'll have the rights to Cowboy Bebop, FLCL and InuYasha without renewing them again.
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I can't tell you that info on here, sorry. We want to keep FLCL and Bebop FOREVER, I will say that.
Q: Hey Jason! Thanks so much for doing this! Do you have any plans for putting Space Dandy on Toonami? What's it like to work at Cartoon Network and Adult swim? Who came up with name for Toonami?
QuoteA: Thank YOU! We are looking at Space Dandy and obviously with the track record of all involved, we feel like it's got the potential to be great. WAAAY too early to say if it will be on Toonami, though. I came up with the Toonami name, I?m proud to say! It was one of a list of about 40 that Mike Lazzo and Rob Sorcher looked at. They liked "Toonami," so there you go.
Q: Back when this was just an April Fools joke, did you expect to get such a huge reaction from the fans? I know that there are lots of factor when taking into account ratings, but you can?t deny that there has been growth in this last year. Did you ever expect that airing the block would cause such massive change? If you had an unlimited budget, what would you change about the block right now? What?s the most ambitious plan you have for the block right now?
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Thanks for sharing, that?s awesome! 1. NO! We had no idea! 2. NO! And we?re super happy about it! 3. We?d have ALL NEW SHOWS. ALL PREMIERES. Period.
Q: Are there any plans for more movie nights after Eva airs? Also, how would you feel about a movie night not attached to a full series? Something like Summer Wars, for example.
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There will absolutely be more movie nights. And I LOVE Summer Wars! That said, we have to cater to our regular viewers, and show based movies make a lot of sense.
Q: 2 question Do you think if Naruto was on Bleach's time slot it would get the same or even better ratings. Asking because according to the week by week rating it's rare for them to be more than 200,000 viewers apart and that may just be because the time they air. You guys say when picking a show to add to the block you use a few guideline to help you. How much does it cost, is it fit for the block and weather or not you guys enjoy the show. So what I'm wondering is has there been any show you guys decided not to get because you didn?t like the show?
QuoteA:Naruto MIGHT do as well as Bleach in the same slot, but Bleach is doing so well we have no reason to find out, yet! And to answer your second question, there have been PLENTY of shows we decided not to air because we don't like them!
Q: What version of The Clones Wars did you end up with? The zoomed-in/chopped version that CN originally aired or the correct 2.35:1 version that is on the discs? Without getting into specifics, do you have to re-negotiate for shows if an HD version becomes available after the fact? I guess it?s more for your older series that I'm asking this since you went HD with new shows and I do appreciate that. Has there ever been any weird requests from distributors of shows you have aired? No details needed if you're not able to say, just curious if they ever wanted anything outside the norm.
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We will be airing the same version that aired on Adult Swim a couple years back. Distributors never really request anything from us in terms of formatting, that?s really more of a fan thing.
Q: A while back on the One Piece Podcast (onepiecepodcast.com) you did an interview and made the mention that you/the team/adult swim didn't usually judge a show within its first three episodes and usually waited until it's 10th before making any judgments about its ratings and so on (This is based on memory of the podcast but I think I?m right.) This strikes me as a little odd given that Tenchi GXP only ended up lasting 4 (or 5 depending on how you look at it) episodes before it was?unceremoniously(?) dumped to 2:30 am due to "ratings." I?m a little confused how if you go by what you say even with the two bad weeks that is had on Nov 24th and Dec 1st 2012 it really shouldn?t have been pushed back that far until around ep 10-12 in which it could have come back to more level ratings. So I?m still a little lost as to how GXP ended up being the only show on the block to suffer a rather unnecessary knee-jerk reaction to bad ratings despite a show like One Piece getting 750k at a low and that's consider ok. Why move the show when there was more than enough time to let it settle in? Was the fan reaction so bad to the show that it warranted the move regardless of future potential/good ratings? Is there any future possibility for similar show to even appear on Toonami given the rather harsh treatment that GXP had even if it did good so late? Beyond that I really appreciate everything you've done so far despite STILL not getting paid for it. Hopefully the block will get a little more variety but I'm just curious as to what really happened with GXP.
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Well, that's not solely our decision, that's something the network also has a POV on. SO if the network is having a bad week AND we have a show that's been not doing great for a month, they might tell us to move it. Beyond that, 2:30 am is not "dumped" to us. I was referring to something like CANCELING a show more than simply moving it slightly later. And we don't consider GXP being moved "harsh." It did just fine at 2:30 and finished it's entire run. I always consider a show finishing a WIN! :)
Q: Do you know about Redline Jason? Since this is the final rebuild movie until 3.33 is dubbed is it possible to see other movies like Redline on Toonami in the future? You should really check it out you'd love it.
QuoteA: I love Redline! Can't say if it will make it to Toonami, though.
Q: Any chance of GitS:SAC returning to Toonami by the end of the year. Watching it is always a pleasure.
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A chance, yes!
QuoteI love Redline!
:swoon:
QuoteCan't say if it will make it to Toonami, though.
:(
I didn't know they had problems reacquiring Outlaw Star. I'd love to see YYH get an entire uncut run on US television.
I like the idea of having special movie nights, and I love the suggestions of Summer Wars and Redline (because I love both of this animated films), but its highly unlikely since those movies which are not based on any series (let alone popular series currently airing on Toonami) would be bound to get lower ratings than something like the Eva movies, even if people spread its popularity via word of mouth. Otherwise, though, both of those movies would be a good fit for regular Toonami viewers if they gave it a chance. The best thing is that they would hardly need to be edited, since neither of them are violent movies in nature. Redline has, like, one nude scene that would need to be censored, but other than that the entire movie either has scenes with talking or hardcore racing. ;)
As for shows that could potentially be added to Toonami in the future, you all still know which one I'd like to see on there the most, but that one is flat-out impossible since nobody is even interested enough to license it yet. :(
Also, even if its an old show, the prospect of having YYH re-air on Toonami is still something that would excite me greatly.
Oh, and I'm sure you guys were talking about this before at some point, but what's the verdict on having a show like Trigun air on Toonami? Is that another title that they had trouble getting the rights to (like with Outlaw Star), or do they just not care about it?
They can easily reaquire Trigun, and I think it's in their interests, but it's not really high on their priorities right now.
I would have suggested that they could replace Bebop with it, but looking at Cartoon X's recent post about their Q&A, it looks like they'd never get rid of Bebop if they could help it. The thing is, I love Bebop as much as the next person, but come on, so many people have already seen the show, and I myself have seen it at least half a dozen times over by now. It could stand to be replaced, in all honesty.
If they're going to keep Bebop, then they may as well put it back-to-back with Trigun and Outlaw Star when they eventually get the rights again. That, and switch over to the BD footage.
Oh yeah, since other people did this before, I figured why the hell not post my own dream Toonami line-up? Keep in mind that its a "dream" line-up, meaning that its impossible, so don't berate me with comments about how much sense it doesn't make. :bleh:
11:00 PM - Hunter X Hunter (2011)
11:30 PM - One Piece
12:00 AM - Trigun
12:30 AM - Outlaw Star
1:00 AM - Dragon Ball
1:30 AM - Yu Yu Hakusho
2:00 AM - Full Metal Panic!/Fumoffu/The Second Raid
2:30 AM - The Big O
3:00 AM - Movie Of The Week (i.e. Summer Wars, Redline, Akira, etc.)
There you go, I made a schedule that would completely satisfy me but would make some semblance of reason in terms of scheduling as well. I divided things up into "hours" for this schedule. The first hour is the "Modern Shonen" hour, where replacing Bleach and Naruto would be HXH and One Piece, both of which are long-running shonen series that would have no short supply of new episodes to keep airing on a weekly basis for the largest sum of viewers. Then to have some variety, the second hour is the "Space Western" hour, featuring the two underplayed space westerns for a change (maybe one of them could be swapped out with Black Lagoon if people started getting tired of seeing them reran). The third hour is the "Classic Shonen" hour, which is pretty self-explanatory here. The fourth hour is the "Giant Robot" hour, featuring the only two mecha TV series that I really care about (unless you count Zoids as a mecha series). The final 2 hours could be devoted to a different film each week, and I doubt that this would bother anyone whether they were stand-alone films or not since most people wouldn't stay up late enough to care about it, anyways, unless they were hardcore anime fans who would probably be the people to enjoy this kind of stuff, in the first place.
Also, despite this being a dream-list, I primarily picked shows which I not only like, but which are all action-heavy enough to appeal to Toonami's usual demographic. On that end, it'd probably be the best possible Toonami line-up in my own little perfect world.
On that end, I know that its completely for anime only, but if I were to remove the movie-hour, then I would probably devote the remaining time to animated DC shows (Batman: The Animated Series, Batman Beyond, Green Lantern: The Animated Series, and Justice League/Unlimited, which could in turn be switched out with Young Justice once it were finished airing its own run of episodes).
Quote from: Daikun on August 17, 2013, 03:40:48 AMYou're gonna need a lot of coffee for August 31.
Evangelion 2.22 will be nearly 4 hours long. (http://schedule.adultswim.com/servlet/ScheduleServlet?action=AS&theDate=8/31/13&timeZone=EST)
Scratch that. Zap2It (http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ZCGrid.do?fromTimeInMillis=1378008000000) is showing a different schedule.
Eva 2.22 ends at 2:15 instead, which makes a lot more sense.
Alright, that makes sense!
Let's see:
11: HXH
11:30: Heat Guy J
12:00: Cowboy Bebop
12:30: Outlaw Star
1: Trigun
1:30: Yu yu Hakusho
2: Lupin The Third
2:30: Case Closed
The old school anime and space cowboy blocks would be great. I wanted to add Big O but no space. Maybe switch it after Heat Guy J's run.
My dream schedule:
11:00PM - One Piece (Seasons 1-3, full hour every week)
12:00AM - Bleach
12:30AM - Naruto
1:00AM - One Piece (new episodes)
1:30AM - Soul Eater
2:00AM - Yu Yu Hakusho (uncut)
2:30AM - Outlaw Star (uncut)
3:00AM - Motorcity
3:30AM - Big O (both seasons)
4:00AM - Trigun
4:30AM - Cowboy Bebop
5:00AM - Sym-Bionic Titan
5:30AM - Inuyasha
My as well post mine:
11:00 - Bleach/Hunter x Hunter
11:30 - JoJo's Bizarre Adventure/Attack On Titan
12:00 - Puella Magi Madoka Magica/ Fate Zero
12:30 - Black Lagoon
1:00 - Lagrange: Flower of Rinne
1:30 - Megas XLR
2:00 - Spawn TAS/ Devil May Cry
2:30 - Outlaw Star
3:00 - Trigun
3:30 - Cowboy Bebop
4:00 - Gatchaman
4:30 - Voltron
A slash indicates what show will replace the previous one once it ends.
Crap I totally forgot about JoJo, and by that I don't just mean that its a potentially good fit for Toonami, but also that I need to get back to watching it. Well, maybe I'll just skip the anime and go directly into reading the manga.
Fate Zero is also a good option which I forgot to consider.
As for Madoka Magica, while its definitely a great show, I purposely didn't put it on the list if only because it doesn't feel like a "Toonami" show as much as it does an "Adult Swim" kind of show, if that makes any sense (its the same reason for why I wouldn't include shows like Monster). Its not really anything like Sailor Moon, and it certainly isn't an action-based show, so for the kind of show it is, I don't know how well it fits in with Toonami's usual line-up, but for what its worth, I certainly wouldn't complain about any schedule that was airing Madoka Magica, regardless of whether it fit or not. :)
The idea of having replacement shows for once a show finishes is definitely a great idea. Here's my list of updated stuff for after a certain period of time in which I would need to air new material after certain shows finished their runs:
11:00 PM - Toriko (I haven't watched that much of it, but its probably important to have a popular show at the beginning)
11:30 PM - One Piece (Because it'll NEVER run out of new episodes to air ;))
12:00 AM - Black Lagoon/The Second Barrage
12:30 AM - Fate Zero
1:00 AM - Case Closed
1:30 AM - Rurouni Kenshin (only up to the end of the Kyoto arc)
2:00 AM - Saint Seiya
2:30 AM - Zoids: Chaotic Century/Guardian Force
3:00 AM - Either the DC line-up which I mentioned, or stick with the movies
Let me take a swing at it.
11:00 PM - One Piece
11:30 PM - Bleach
12:00 PM - Naruto
12:30 PM - Hunter X Hunter (2011)/Attack On Titan/JoJo/something else recent
1:00 PM - Big O/ Full Metal Panic/ The Second Raid
1:30 PM - Megas XLR/Motorcity
2:00 PM - Fate Zero
2:30 PM - Trigun/Outlaw Star
3:00 PM - Yu Yu Hakusho/Other older shonen
3:30 PM - Cowboy Bebop
4:00 PM - Black Lagoon/Spawn: TAS
4:30 PM - Samurai Jack/Sym-Bionic Titan
5:00 PM - Batman: TAS/Batman Beyond
5:30 PM - Superman: TAS/Justice League
Ah sweet, Titan love. I can't believe I forgot about Black Lagoon and I'd love to see Megas, Saint Seiya and Supes/JL on there too.
Here's mine:
11:00 - One Piece
11:30- Hunter x Hunter 2011
12:00 - JoJo's Bizarre Adventure 2012
12:30 - Fate/Zero
1:00 - Black Lagoon
1:30 - Attack on Titan
2:00 - Madoka Magica
2:30- D. Grayman
3:00 - Samurai Champloo
3:30 - Big O
4:00- Cowboy Bebop
4:30- Ghost in the Shell: SAC
5:00- Yu Yu Hakusho (1 hour)
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on August 18, 2013, 02:07:40 PM
I would have suggested that they could replace Bebop with it, but looking at Cartoon X's recent post about their Q&A, it looks like they'd never get rid of Bebop if they could help it. The thing is, I love Bebop as much as the next person, but come on, so many people have already seen the show, and I myself have seen it at least half a dozen times over by now. It could stand to be replaced, in all honesty.
I dunno,
Cowboy Bebop is just such a classic show, that I think it deserves to be aired at least once a week, and they'll always be new people discovering it and such, so it'd work out ratings wise. I do think it could stand to take a break once in a while though, but at least one run a year isn't bad in my opinion.
As far as
Trigun goes, they'd certainty would like to air it again, but to pick it up again would mean spending money that could be used to pick up a newer, previously not broadcasted on Toonami/[adult swim] show. That trade-off is the primary reason they aren't keen to pick up a lot of previously run titles from their past. If FUNimation was willing to sell the rights for a cheaper rate, then maybe they'd go for it, but as long as it costs as much as acquiring a new or unaired show, then they probably won't be picking it up again anytime soon.
As far as my personal "dream" Toonami line-up goes, honestly, if I had my way, Toonami would be airing stuff I hadn't ever seen before. What I loved about the shows on Toonami I enjoyed as a kid,
Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo,
Zatch Bell,
Justice League, and even
Naruto back when I could tolerate it, was the enjoyment of seeing something new to you, anticipating a new episode week after week, seeing where things go at a slow, leisurely rate, which is an experience I always enjoy and value, and would make the most fun use of my time, personally. In the age of internet streaming, this is pretty much impossible now, as I've seen a plethora of shows, but last year I got to experience
Casshern Sins and
Samurai 7 through Toonami, and only Toonami, and I really enjoyed the ride. Like I said, it's impossible to have a Toonami lineup composed of things I haven't seen that would be feasible in any capacity, but that would be my ideal "dream" lineup.
As far as a more schedulable "dream" lineup, assuming the six-hour time limit, unlimited funds to basically replace almost everything on the block right now, the fact no other network is willing to give these shows a slot, plausibility, not including currently unliscensed shows like
Hunter X Hunter 2011 and
Jojo's Bizarre Adventure ( I would LOVE both on the block, but even in my fantasies I limit myself to what "could happen" in the moment and not what could happen despite), not including shows that have been licensed but haven't been dubbed enough yet like
Blood Lad and
Gargantia, and giving
Bebop a break, mine would look sort of like this:
12:00
InuYasha: The Final Act 12:30
Tiger and Bunny1:00
One Piece1:30
Mitchiko to Hatchin2:00
Fate/Zero2:30
Black Lagoon3:00
Lupin the Third: The Woman Called Fujiko Mine3:30
Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt4:00
Fullmetal Panic!4:30
The Big O 5:00
Sgt. Frog5:30
Ranma 1/2This is more of a "balanced" kind of "dream" lineup. Ideally I would rather have all adult, "mature" shows on the block, the majority of the programs being stuff like
Monster and
Serial Experiments Lain, but I like to work with limitations, and to have a "dream" Toonami, airing all "premieres" of shows I like/haven't watched but think I'll like, then this is what I'd go with.
The first hour is the Viz media casual audience friendly hour.
The Final Act is there because ratings have shown that despite being repeated incessantly for 10 years,
InuYasha reruns still being in good numbers, so I'd feel premieres of
The Final Act, the only part of the anime adaption I actually like in any capacity (seriously, I
hated InuYasha as a kid, but after reading the manga last year, and then trying to watch it again, I realized the anime is just one of those adaptions that sucks at making the source material look good, like the
Toriko and
Excel Saga animes.
Final Act turned out all right, though, so I'd like to see it on Toonami at some point, just so that the entire story in played out in anime form on tv in the U.S.).
Tiger and Bunny could be a pretty big hit among casuals considering it's concept and plot, so I think it'd be a great choice for early in the block. Basically the point of this hour would be to draw in a good chunk of casual viewers, much like the point of
Bleach and
Naruto's hour is now, except unlike those two, these shows are actually good.
The 1am hour has not theme and just continues the momentum of the beginning.
One Piece is at 1am simply because
One Piece at
1am is kinda cool, but also because it's just a good anchor for the ratings momentum.
Mitchiko to Hatchin is one of those shows that I think would do fantastic if they ever aired it because it's a Watannabe show with a similar tone to
Bebop's, so that's pretty self-explanatory.
The 2am hour is where things start to get more "adult" with some real kick-ass shows, and then the 3am hour is basically for shows that they would have to edit more severely if the aired them any earlier, but could still air with a reasonable amount of edits at that time. The 4am hour is the Giant Robot Hour which I think they want to have in the block at all times.
The Big O is there because it's the only Sentai property that they have that I think would ever get on Toonami and I know they want something of their on the block, but you can replace it with
Gun X Sword or
Gurren Lagann or more ideally a
Gundam series when that franchise gets rescued, or even
Megas XLR as unlikely as that is, and it'd be just as good an hour if not better. The final hour is basically a transition hour with lighter action/comedy shows. Since
Gintama's never getting dubbed,
Devil and
Blood Lad haven't been started to be dubbed, and
Bobobo ain't likely to come back, I went with
Sgt. Frog which I simply want to get on tv so that FUNimation will at least dub up to the Keroro Platoon vs. Gaururu Platoon battle, and
Ranma 1/2 because I know they wanted to air it back and the day and it's one of DeMarco's favorite animes and it's going to get relevant again thanks to rereleases of both the anime AND manga next year, so why not?
Most of the stuff in my list is either new for me (as in I haven't seen them but want to), new to the network, new to television (or at least a to a network most people actually have), dub premieres, all of the above or a combination of all of the above. I love several classics from
Gigantor to
Dragonball to
Trigun, but I'd rather watch a Toonami with shows I haven't seen before or haven't seen in dubbed form before or at the very least haven't been seen on tv before otherwise, but obviously I would still watch
Outlaw Star and
Trigun if they ever decided to put 'em back on, since I love those shows.
Even though I LOVE
Case Closed, they said a while back on the Tumblr they don't want to air it because they don't think it fits, so even though this is only a dream schedule, I can't bring myself to even consider it. Dammit, will I
ever get to see episodes with Ai Haibara/Anita Hailey dubbed? :imnothappy:
Madoka Magica is one of my favorites too, but I don't like the dub, so while I would still love it on the block, in my personal fantasy dream schedule I'd prefer other stuff.
EK's movie of the week idea is awesome, but personally movies mean more to me as occasional things rather than a weekly occurrence, so while I'd love a movie month, I personally wouldn't care for movies year-round.
I didn't put any DC shows because even though I would like to see
several of them on the block, they don't want their shows anywhere near Toonami for brand image purposes, much like Cartoon Network with
Samurai Jack. If they ever change their mind on that, though,
Green Lantern: The Animated Series and
Batman: The Brave and the Bold would be good places to start until The Hub relinquishes their rights to
Batman: The Animated Series.
Quote from: Daikun on August 18, 2013, 03:33:30 PM
Scratch that. Zap2It is showing a different schedule. Eva 2.22 ends at 2:15 instead, which makes a lot more sense.
Yeah, I kinda thought that was the case.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on August 18, 2013, 05:14:53 PM
11:00 PM - Toriko (I haven't watched that much of it, but its probably important to have a popular show at the beginning)
FUCK. NO.
The
Toriko manga, while not a top favorite of mine, is quite good. Lots of fun adventure and sense of humor, in direct contrast to some of the most brutal, violent, gory, and intense battles in modern shonen manga that can even sometimes make your jaw drop. The anime? It ruins it, worse than Toei has ever ruined anything ever. Poor pacing, filler, annoying anime-only characters, some of the worst animation in any of Toei's work, and the kicker? They censor the hell out of the battles in the series, and extend them with copious padding, coupled with the aforementioned subpar animation. Toriko vs. Tommyrod is an epic, intense fight in the manga, but in the anime it's as boring as drying paint.
I'd recommend the
Toriko manga to anyone looking for a fun battle adventure manga along the lines of
One Piece, with the warning that the series doesn't really get great until Toriko v. Grinpatch in volume 7. But the anime is terrible as an adaption, and while I guess I wouldn't mind it if it got on Vortexx or something, I don't want it anywhere near Toonami.
Oh hi, Iago! (https://twitter.com/RealGilbert/status/368977905964945410)
Lol @ me naming Lupin but not even thinking of Fujiko Mine.
Quote from: Cartoon X on August 18, 2013, 07:55:48 PM
I dunno, Cowboy Bebop is just such a classic show, that I think it deserves to be aired at least once a week, and they'll always be new people discovering it and such, so it'd work out ratings wise. I do think it could stand to take a break once in a while though, but at least one run a year isn't bad in my opinion.
Sure, its a good show, but the same can be said about a lot of shows. It doesn't mean that you need to re-run the hell out of it all the time. By now there are enough people who have become fans of Cowboy Bebop that you won't be getting too many new fans these days just by airing it at some obscure time. At least give some other shows a chance. Cowboy Bebop has been reran for YEARS on CN (it was always on Adult Swim before Toonami, so its been around for a while). In contrast, it has been YEARS since shows like Outlaw Star and Trigun have aired on CN, so you could theoretically pull in a lot more new fans for those shows that have had less exposure as of late than you could for a show that's as well-known as Cowboy Bebop.
QuoteAs far as Trigun goes, they'd certainty would like to air it again, but to pick it up again would mean spending money that could be used to pick up a newer, previously not broadcasted on Toonami/[adult swim] show. That trade-off is the primary reason they aren't keen to pick up a lot of previously run titles from their past. If FUNimation was willing to sell the rights for a cheaper rate, then maybe they'd go for it, but as long as it costs as much as acquiring a new or unaired show, then they probably won't be picking it up again anytime soon.
I have no problem with that logic, but as you can remember, my point was that it could be used to replace Cowboy Bebop, which is where our opinions differ. I disagree that Cowboy Bebop should keep running on Toonami, on the grounds that its an older show that a lot of people have already seen to death, and its not worth it to keep it going just for the few people who haven't yet seen it (they could just buy the upcoming Blu-Rays if they are so inclined to view it for themselves). Its much more practical to give another one of the older shows a shot in its place.
QuoteThis is more of a "balanced" kind of "dream" lineup. Ideally I would rather have all adult, "mature" shows on the block, the majority of the programs being stuff like Monster and Serial Experiments Lain
Except that's not what Toonami was ever about. What you're describing is an ideal Adult Swim block. Toonami always had a central theme, and its primarily about shows that are fun and entertaining. That doesn't mean that they can't be adult as well, but stuff like Monster, as much as I love it, is not a series well-suited to a block like Toonami. The same goes for stuff like Madoka Magica.
QuoteFUCK. NO.
The Toriko manga, while not a top favorite of mine, is quite good. Lots of fun adventure and sense of humor, in direct contrast to some of the most brutal, violent, gory, and intense battles in modern shonen manga that can even sometimes make your jaw drop. The anime? It ruins it, worse than Toei has ever ruined anything ever. Poor pacing, filler, annoying anime-only characters, some of the worst animation in any of Toei's work, and the kicker? They censor the hell out of the battles in the series, and extend them with copious padding, coupled with the aforementioned subpar animation. Toriko vs. Tommyrod is an epic, intense fight in the manga, but in the anime they flat out ruined it.
As opposed to the anime adaptations of Naruto and Bleach which do the same thing, except that they are based on already bad manga? I'm aware of Toei's track record of ruining anime (they did it long before Toriko for DBZ), but I'd rather take a bad adaptation of a good manga over a bad adaptation of a shitty one.
Screw that. Bebop is a classic worth infinite rewatches. Maybe when they finally get a good amount of new shows and need the space but until then, Bebop should go nowhere.
Quote from: gunswordfist on August 18, 2013, 08:25:29 PM
Screw that. Bebop is a classic worth infinite rewatches. Maybe when they finally get a good amount of new shows and need the space but until then, Bebop should go nowhere.
Fuck that. If you love the show so much just cough out the money and buy the freaking DVDs. If I'm expected to stay up into the wee hours of the morning for a half-hour show, its certainly as hell not going to be one that I've already seen about half a dozen times.
As much as I love Bebop, at this point, it's best reserved for a placeholder for when Toonami can't find something less overplayed to replace it.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on August 18, 2013, 08:19:15 PM
Sure, its a good show, but the same can be said about a lot of shows. It doesn't mean that you need to re-run the hell out of it all the time. By now there are enough people who have become fans of Cowboy Bebop that you won't be getting too many new fans these days just by airing it at some obscure time. At least give some other shows a chance. Cowboy Bebop has been reran for YEARS on CN (it was always on Adult Swim before Toonami, so its been around for a while). In contrast, it has been YEARS since shows like Outlaw Star and Trigun have aired on CN, so you could theoretically pull in a lot more new fans for those shows that have had less exposure as of late than you could for a show that's as well-known as Cowboy Bebop.
I think they should give
Bebop a rest now and again, but I still think one run a year would be fine. In any case, I'm not saying
Trigun and
Outlaw Star shouldn't air either. Ideally, they'd have a good rotation of classic titles like those in the later half of the block that cycles through them once a year so they never wear out their welcome.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on August 18, 2013, 08:19:15 PM
I have no problem with that logic, but as you can remember, my point was that it could be used to replace Cowboy Bebop, which is where our opinions differ. I disagree that Cowboy Bebop should keep running on Toonami, on the grounds that its an older show that a lot of people have already seen to death, and its not worth it to keep it going just for the few people who haven't yet seen it (they could just buy the upcoming Blu-Rays if they are so inclined to view it for themselves). Its much more practical to give another one of the older shows a shot in its place.
I certainly wouldn't mind if they replaced
Bebop with
Trigun. I love
Trigun. Third favorite show dontcha know. But the Toonami crews' preference is
Cowboy Bebop, and I don't think it's likely they'll give up
Bebop for
Trigun.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on August 18, 2013, 08:19:15 PM
Except that's not what Toonami was ever about. What you're describing is an ideal Adult Swim block. Toonami always had a central theme, and its primarily about shows that are fun and entertaining. That doesn't mean that they can't be adult as well, but stuff like Monster, as much as I love it, is not a series well-suited to a block like Toonami. The same goes for stuff like Madoka Magica.
I don't see anything wrong with airing
Monster or
Madoka Magica on the block aside from ratings concerns. I know Toonami isn't about airing just shows like those, and I guess I just exaggerated when I said otherwise, but really all I want is
some of those kind of shows somewhere within the block. I like plenty of "fun" shows and like Toonami for airing "fun" shows in the past, and while I would prefer generally more "mature" shows (there is a difference between "mature" and "adult" ;) , good shows are at the end of the day more important to me overall. :sweat:
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on August 18, 2013, 08:19:15 PM
As opposed to the anime adaptations of Naruto and Bleach which do the same thing, except that they are based on already bad manga? I'm aware of Toei's track record of ruining anime (they did it long before Toriko for DBZ), but I'd rather take a bad adaptation of a good manga over a bad adaptation of a shitty one.
I think it's a far worse adaption than
Dragonball Z.
Bleach and
Naruto suck, yeah, but I'd still say their anime adaptions are better in their canon parts as adaptions than the
Toriko anime. Seriously, read the Ice Hell arc, specifically the Toriko vs. Tommyrod fight, and then watch it in the anime, and tell me that you feel the same intensity and energy the fight in the manga has in the anime. As for popularity, it's not really that popular in the U.S., certainly not more than
One Piece or even
Soul Eater for that matter, but even though I'd say the U.S. fanbase is growing I'd rather it be shown to kids via Vortexx or Nicktoons rather than adults and take up a half hour of Toonami's airtime.
If we really need a
good long runner with new to tv episodes that could be "popular" among casuals on the block, I'd go with....
Sgt. Frog, I guess. Of course, I'd prefer
Case Closed or
Gintama but they said on the tumblr they don't think the former fits on the block and the latter will likely never get dubbed. It's a teens action/comedy with a gag dub, yeah, but
Shin Chan was a flat out comedy and it actually did well in ratings (as far as I've been told, although it's still odd that [adult swim] stopped airing it), so I feel
Sgt. Frog would do about as well as any light-hearted action adventure battle series they could air. But honestly, I think there are plenty of series with good appeal that could be popular like
Black Lagoon and
Gurren Lagann and such that they could air instead of
Toriko, and I think
One Piece is good enough as a ratings anchor for the block, as it's done quite well for itself despite the fact they started it 206 episodes into the series without a recap and at a fairly average but not great arc in the series, so it possibly could do even better when the real drama and battle-heavy action starts in Water 7/Enies Lobby.
Anyway, the basic point is, I don't think Toonami should air
Toriko, even if they got rid of
Naruto and
Bleach.
One Piece is the only current good long runner that I think the block should air, unless of course
Hunter X Hunter 2011 gets dubbed, in which case they should also air that as quickly as they can. ;)
Isn't the Toriko anime watered down to the point where it could air on daytime TV with little edits?
Yes. Yes it is. That's why I wouldn't mind if it was broadcast for kids. There's plenty worse they could be watching, and it'd be a good gateway anime for many young'uns. But on Toonami...no. It's be a waste of a good slot that could be used for a lot better stff that couldn't fly on daytime or be edited for general audiecnes/kids, and of a show that's practically perfect for children to watch.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on August 18, 2013, 08:29:42 PM
Quote from: gunswordfist on August 18, 2013, 08:25:29 PM
Screw that. Bebop is a classic worth infinite rewatches. Maybe when they finally get a good amount of new shows and need the space but until then, Bebop should go nowhere.
Fuck that. If you love the show so much just cough out the money and buy the freaking DVDs. If I'm expected to stay up into the wee hours of the morning for a half-hour show, its certainly as hell not going to be one that I've already seen about half a dozen times.
Then don't. If the show is at a inconvenient hour for you then why complain about it still being on the block. >_<
Wow, the schedules you guys came up with would actually get me to watch it at least sometimes.
I still have yet to.
:D Same here.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on August 18, 2013, 11:31:20 PM
Wow, the schedules you guys came up with would actually get me to watch it at least sometimes.
I still have yet to.
Quote from: gunswordfist on August 18, 2013, 11:04:55 PM
Then don't. If the show is at a inconvenient hour for you then why complain about it still being on the block. >_<
As usual, that nonexistent brain of yours completely missed the point. I basically said that its not worth it to stay up that late for a show that I've already seen a bunch of times. It wouldn't, however, be inconvenient if it was a show that I actually wanted to see again at that time, dumb-ass. :>
12.0 - Magi: The Labyrinth of Magic
12.5 - One Piece
01.0 - Blood-Lad
01.5 - Attack on Titan
02.0 - Madoka Magica
02.5 - From the New World
03.0 - Full Metal Panic!
03.5 - Last Exile
04.0 - Outlaw Star Uncut
04.5 - Cowboy Bebop Uncut
05.0 - Gatchaman
05.5 - Voltron
THIS IS PURE FANTASY MIND YOU. NOT REALISTIC AT ALL.
Here's mine, I guess:
12:00 - One Piece
12:30 - Hunter x Hunter
1:00 - JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
1:30 - Full Metal Panic
2:00 - Gurren Lagann
2:30 - Attack On Titan
3:00 - Black Lagoon
3:30 - Fate/Zero
4:00 - Lupin III (franchise umbrella)
4:30 - Cowboy Bebop
5:00 - Samurai Champloo
5:30 - Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on August 19, 2013, 01:26:30 AM
Quote from: gunswordfist on August 18, 2013, 11:04:55 PM
Then don't. If the show is at a inconvenient hour for you then why complain about it still being on the block. >_<
As usual, that nonexistent brain of yours completely missed the point. I basically said that its not worth it to stay up that late for a show that I've already seen a bunch of times. It wouldn't, however, be inconvenient if it was a show that I actually wanted to see again at that time, dumb-ass. :>
But then it would be past your curfew, bitchboy. ???
Quote from: Foggle on August 19, 2013, 11:17:22 AM
Here's mine, I guess:
12:00 - One Piece
12:30 - Hunter x Hunter
1:00 - JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
1:30 - Full Metal Panic
2:00 - Gurren Lagann
2:30 - Attack On Titan
3:00 - Black Lagoon
3:30 - Fate/Zero
4:00 - Lupin III (franchise umbrella)
4:30 - Cowboy Bebop
5:00 - Samurai Champloo
5:30 - Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex
I should put in an extra hour for Samurai Champloo. Still my 3rd favorite anime.
Quote from: gunswordfist on August 20, 2013, 12:06:37 AM
But then it would be past your curfew, bitchboy. ???
Does someone else want to take a crack at explaining to GSF why that question makes no sense, and also why he is, in general, an utter imbecile? I'd do it myself like I usually do, but I'm getting too tired of dealing with his bullshit to bother with it, anymore.
Your bedtime is right now, isn't it? :sly:
12:00AM Bleach 1.1 HH, 1.485 million
12:30AM Naruto 1.0 HH, 1.371 million
1:00AM One Piece 0.8 HH, 1.141 million
1:30AM Soul Eater 0.7 HH, 1.044 million
2:00AM Sword Art Online 0.7 HH, 1.005 million <- We're doomed.
2:30AM IGPX: Immortal Grand Prix 0.5 HH, 730,000 <- You morons wasted money on this time filler again why?
3:00AM Star Wars: Clone Wars 0.5 HH, 727,000
3:30AM Big O/An 0.5 HH, 716,000
4:00AM Fullmetal: Brotherhood 0.5 HH, 667,000
4:30AM Cowboy Bebop 0.5 HH, 574,000
5:00AM Inuyasha 0.5 HH, 648,000
5:30AM Inuyasha 0.5 HH, 710,000
DAMN IT!!!!! CURSE YOU SAO :anger: :anger: :anger:
Quote from: Lord Dalek on August 20, 2013, 12:50:36 PM
2:30AM IGPX: Immortal Grand Prix 0.5 HH, 730,000 <- You morons wasted money on this time filler again why?
They didn't spend money getting
IGPX back. They just needed to do some paperwork. They basically are airing it for free.
Even though it got over a million, I'm glad
Sword Art didn't beat any of the shows before it. Those
Bleach ratings shock me though, because that episode was just a dumb, inane filler episode. Hrm....
Quote
1. Bleach: 0.73
2. Naruto: 0.68
3. One Piece: 0.60
4. Sword Art Online: 0.55
5. Soul Eater: 0.54
6. IGPX: Immortal Grand Prix: 0.38
7. Star Wars: Clone Wars: 0.35
Toonami
killed in the adult ratings last Saturday too! More or less I'm just very happy to see that .60 in A18-49 for
One Piece; that's grand for a weekend 1am timeslot, and especially considering that the episode that aired that night was an action-less filler! These last two weeks have been pretty good...I wonder if we're going to see a really down week next Saturday :sly:.
You could also say that Bleach's higher ratings may have at least a bit to do with it having the most convenient time-slot. This is around the time that a lot of normal people are going to bed, even if it's a weekend, so at this time of night, just 30-minutes to an hour could make a world of difference between who's awake and who isn't.
It'd be interesting to see if One Piece or even Naruto's ratings would be higher if they were on during Bleach's time.
Well, yeah Bleach usually gets higher ratings than the rest of the block because it's on an earlier timeslot, but what I was referring to is that it got over 1.4 million, which is rare for it, and especially surprising considering that episode was a lame filler. I also believe that Naruto and One Piece would get comparable ratings to Bleach's average of around 1.2 million per week if they were on at 12am also, but I'm not sure if they would get 1.4 millions that much more often.
Robot Chicken on Toonami? (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/adult-swim-toonami-forum/295042-toonami-news-discussion-thread-38.html#post4150016) :wth:
Most likely a mistake. (https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/371362503240220672)
The schedule for this week has finally been clarified (http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/59470586892/8-31-schedule-one-night-only) by the Tumblr.
12:00 - Evangelion 2.22
2:30 - Surprise (TV premiere)
2:45 - SW:TCW
3:15 - Big O
3:45 - Surprise (encore)
4:00 - FMA:B
4:30 - Cowboy Bebop
5:00 - Inuyasha x2
There might a new giant robot or even Eva-themed Robot Chicken, which could have explained the earlier schedule leak.
Quote from: Avaitor on August 27, 2013, 07:29:47 AMThere might a new giant robot or even Eva-themed Robot Chicken, which could have explained the earlier schedule leak.
So,
Titan Maximum? :awesome:
The tumblr's having a Q&A tomorrow, from 10-12.
Have fun!
Apparently the surprise will be revealed at midnight. Unfortunately, I cannot watch the movie or the surprise, since I didn't take a tv with me to college, but I'm still interested in seeing what it is....
Also, it seems the Cowboy Bebop episodes have been removed from [adult swim] video, and future schedules don't have the episode titles listed. I wonder if something's up with that...
Anything else noteworthy from this month's Q&A, other than learning that when you write off a show on TV, you can't legally air the show again? Guess that solves the mystery on why MegasXLR will never air on CN or any of it's sister stations ever again.
Looks like the surprise is Kick-Heart
9 for Pikmin 3
Y/N?
YYYYYYY
PIKMIN 3 FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!
Completely and totally unhyped for Kick-Heart!
Is Kick-Heart bad or something? I've never heard of it.
Vlord, are you recording this? When I come home for Thanksgiving, I want to be able to watch the Toonami airings of both 2.22 and 1.11 back to back. 8)
Oh, Aniplex... (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/adult-swim-toonami-forum/295042-toonami-news-discussion-thread-39.html#post4152593)
Quote from: Cartoon X on September 01, 2013, 12:02:50 AM
Is Kick-Heart bad or something? I've never heard of it.
Its just a silly 12 minute short about wrestling done by the guy who did the flashback scenes from Kill Bill. It also looks like it was drawn by a couple toddlers with some colored pencils and a leaky fountain pen.... much like the flashback scenes from Kill Bill (as you can tell I do not like this guy's visual style all that much).
Quote from: Lord Dalek on September 01, 2013, 12:10:02 AM
Quote from: Cartoon X on September 01, 2013, 12:02:50 AM
Is Kick-Heart bad or something? I've never heard of it.
Its just a silly 12 minute short about wrestling done by the guy who did the flashback scenes from Kill Bill. It also looks like it was drawn by a couple toddlers with some colored pencils and a leaky fountain pen.... much like the flashback scenes from Kill Bill (as you can tell I do not like this guy's visual style all that much).
Can Toonami air Kill Bill instead? Sure it's live-action, but at least it'd actually garner a reaction from me.
Quote from: Rynnec on September 01, 2013, 12:23:29 AM
Can Toonami air Kill Bill instead? Sure it's live-action, but at least it'd actually garner a reaction from me.
It's live action with animated parts. That's been good enough for CN in the past. :lol:
Quote from: Cartoon X on September 01, 2013, 12:02:50 AM
Vlord, are you recording this? When I come home for Thanksgiving, I want to be able to watch the Toonami airings of both 2.22 and 1.11 back to back. 8)
Yes, i'm recording 2.22. Don't worry bro. 8)
Welp. Kickheart was a total waste of time.
It reminded me of that wrestling show Adult Swim used to air. All I remembered about that show was Beat talking about how he thought that Kinnikuman and Tiger Mask anime were better series than that.
Ah,early this morning (an hour or two ago) was the first time I watched Toonami in like 10 years. The Toonami intros were much better back than and it sucked not seeing Big O's OP but watching a good episode of that, and some of FMAB and Bebop was great.
Holy jeebus. Kick-Heart was the biggest waste of time I've ever seen.
Why is there a DVD for this? How did this cost $200+ grand? Why was this broadcast on television instead of simply being an Internet short?
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F9yFN8RB.jpg&hash=7df3d97b73116b9d1f627db6a04201e5a987bd5c)
They should have just aired IGPX after the movie and proceeded as normal.
I still say they should have bit the bullet on subs and aired Little Witch Academia instead.
Yeah, it seems like a good thing that I bailed after 2.22.
Quote from: Lord Dalek on September 01, 2013, 06:57:50 AM
I still say they should have bit the bullet on subs and aired Little Witch Academia instead.
While that would unarguably be a much better choice than what we got, I also think LWA is tame enough to air on regular CN with minimal, if any, edits.
http://animationrevelation.com/readables/?p=1537 - well here ya go.
https://twitter.com/Toonami12345/status/374301379075907584
https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/374302490172596224
I wonder: would Toonami fans go and burn down someone's house if Demarco didn't like them? :awesome:
What was so bad about Kick Heart?
It wasn't so much "bad" as it was completely "eh".
Quote from: Foggle on September 01, 2013, 06:57:15 PM
What was so bad about Kick Heart?
Its ugly.
There is no story.
Zac got thanked at the end.
Starting October 19th, Clone Wars takes a two week break as Toonami airs an hour of IGPX to get to the end of its run faster, after which CW returns, and FLCL takes IGPX's place.
Also, there's apparently going to be a "big" announcement in November.
in before dbz :awesome:
Maybe they'll be airing Valvrave!! :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy:
DBGT.
Also, Bebop's
finally leaving the lineup, and GitS will replace Big O once it ends.
Quote from: Foggle on September 26, 2013, 04:53:52 PM
Maybe they'll be airing Valvrave!! :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy:
Naw, man. It's totally gonna be Guilty Crown.
guys
guys
guuuuuuuuuuuyyyyyyyyyyssssssssss
boku no pico
God, if only...
IGPX is only being doubled up for one week, on the 19th. The 26th is when the new schedule in put in place:
12:00 Bleach
12:30 Naruto
1:00 One Piece
1:30 Soul Eater
2:00 Sword Art Online
2:30 FLCL
3:00 Star Wars: The Clone Wars
3:30 Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
4:00 Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
4:30 IGPX
5:00 InuYasha
5:30 InuYasha
It amuses me to no end to see IGPX pushed all the way back to 4:30am. It's like they passively admit the show failed for them and can only use it as time-filler.
I'm glad they're giving Bebop a break. I'm even gladder to see Ghost in the Shell return after nearly a year off the air. Not that I'll be able to watch it, but I think the break will help it's ratings performance.
I'm hoping FLCL is just a placeholder, and that they will premiere something new (and good) on the 26th at 2:30. Not that I don't like FLCL, I do a lot, but I desperately desire something that'd be worthwhile to watch on the block other than One Piece and Soul Eater. If luck is on our side, I'd hope we get something like Mitchiko to Hatchin, or if they get something from Aniplex (which I feel has a high possibility of happening), Fate/Zero or Gurren Lagann (I'd hope for Madoka too, but I know it'll never happen, and the dub's meh anyway). Of course, with Toonami, I have no clue what they'll pick up next, but I just hope they don't pick up shit. At least for a while. Please?
FLCL's only going to be on for 12 weeks at most. I wouldn't be surprised if it were just filler for their next pick-up.
I just noticed that Inuyasha airs episode 100 on October 19. It's like they were planning on synching up the schedule change. :sly:
Also, the week after October 26 is Daylight Savings. I wonder what they'll do for that hour this year. A continuation of last year's Easter egg seems likely, but the two open slots... :thinkin:
Heh, you're right. What's more, the InuYasha anime starts the Band of 7 arc the day of the schedule change. That's a pleasant coincidence, if only because the Band of 7 arc is the only part of the first anime adaption I actually enjoyed watching. I might actually bother to get up to watch it since I've got the West feed and can catch it at 8am. It'd be nice to have something else on Toonami to watch besides the 1am hour, even if it'll only last for a few weeks.
As far as Daylight Savings day goes, they could air a movie or something, and just shift parts of the schedule around to accommodate it.
You fuckers are all wrong.
Spoiler
Its Vividred.
I've heard of neither. Damn random poll...
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on September 26, 2013, 04:55:02 PM
DBGT.
Nah, Nick still owns the rights to that one last I've heard.
I would love to see how nostalgics react to it if they aired that again though.
It's the end of the month. You know what that means; Toonami Tumblr Q&A time! And the first answer is a little shocking...
QuoteAnonymous Asked: Did you lose the rights to cowboy bebop or will it return?
Answer: Good question! We did indeed lose the rights to Cowboy Bebop, sadly. HOWEVER- we?re confident it will return, and when it does, it will be the remastered version! Stay tuned.
[adult swim] has finally lost the rights to
Bebop! Of course, they are going to try and get it back, and I suspect they will. Hopefully, FUNimation is nice enough to offer them a deal for
Trigun and
Outlaw Star too, so that the whole Space Western trilogy can air together again. It'd be nice to see. In any case, I think it'll be some time before we'll see
Bebop again, at least not for another six months or so.
QuoteAnonymous Asked: Why are you taking off big o season 2 so soon? Is it cause of its lackluster ratings?
Answer:To be clear, the ratings for Big O at that time are NOT lackluster. We?re taking it off so that we don?t immediately re-run it. It will definitely be back!
QuoteAnonymous Asked: Given that its aired on adult swim before is there a possibility that TRIGUN could make it onto TOONAMI?
Answer: It?s always a possibility!
Quotesketch1984 Asked: Will Soul Eater and/or Sword Art Online air more than once through? Will they be replaced by fresh shows from the licensors who provided them or could either be replaced by a show from another licensor?
Answer: We can?t get into those sorts of specifics about our deals, but we will say that Soul Eater and Sword Art will be replaced with new shows when they finish their runs?.
Quote
sketch1984 Asked: When FLCL returns, do you intend to play it more than once consecutively or is it only intended to fill a slot for 6 weeks this time around?
Answer: It?s only intended to fill a slot for 6 weeks. Watch it, it?ll be gone for a while after that!
Looks like something will replace it in December. Hmm...hopefully a good new show. I wonder if they are loosing the rights to
FLCL, temporarily, though?
Quote
Anonymous Asked: Do you consider a show that is filled with suspense, like Death Note, to be in Toonami or do you want shows that are filled with action to be in Toonami. Because I've seen three shows that could fit into Toonami: Future Diary, High School of the Dead, and Danganronpa
Answer: We gravitate towards action shows, but a GREAT show with a LITTLE action could be considered?
Quote
Anonymous Asked: Are shows like one piece harder to get than shows like soul eater?
Answer: The more popular a show is, the more money it costs to license.
QuoteAnonymous Asked: The most requested shows you get do you consider them for the block?
Answer: Attack on Titan, Fairy Tail, DBZ, Shippuden, and Toriko are the most requested shows.
Oh god, I really hope they don't air
Fairy Tail and
Toriko. The
Toriko and early parts of the
Fairy Tail manga are great, but their animes are absolutely dreadful. Terrible animation quality, music, pacing, etc. Plus, the fact they are long-running shonen series when we've already got three, two of which are terrible, doesn't make the prospect of their addition any nicer.
QuoteAnonymous Asked: Are you guys going get some underrated or not known shows like DMWL?
Answer: At some point, for sure.
Quote
Anonymous Asked: When FMA ends, do you plan on re-airing it?
Answer: We?re still figuring that out.
QuoteAnonymous Asked: Is there any hope for an expansion anytime soon?
Answer: If the ratings stay high, yes!
Whoa, expansion is now on the table. Interesting. I wonder what will be the final push for it to happen...
Quote
jeargumedo Asked: Any updates on the Toonami comic?
Answer: We have been writing it and we?re FINALLY about done with that! Soon enough talented people will start illustrating it.
QuoteAnonymous Asked: I just saw from up on poppy hill and it made me wonder if you guys would do a day of miyazaki?
Answer: Right now, with the rights to various Ghibli movies all over the place, it?s not possible. One day? we?ll see!
Quoteaskthehellpuppy Asked: Are you guys gonna do some kind of fan-interactive thing like you did in the past? Like you made games and had fans help Tom?
Answer: More will be coming in the new year.
Quoteinu-san87 Asked: Will you make a Flcl promo?
Answer: Yes! We certainly will.
Seems kinda pointless, but aight.
QuoteAnonymous Asked: How is toonami doing now that the new season of Saturday Night Live premiered last night and ADHD still airing?
Answer:ADHD has been a non factor so far. SNL is a minor one. The bigger factor is kids are in school now, which means a ratings drop for everyone for a while. But we?re still doing fine!
Quote
Anonymous Asked: I think you guys should do a game review on somehing thats a classic. Like the world ends with you. Do you guys have an opinionn on this? Is it even an option
Answer: We wouldn?t review any older games unless they were overlooked gems?
Quotetoonamifaithfulofficial Asked: When u guys do a game review, do u get permission from the company that made the game or are u allowed to review it without permission?
Answer: We don?t need to ask permission. If you?re reviewing something editorially you don?t need permission from a company.
Quotecbkask Asked: Any Clyde's In the near future?
Answer: Hmmmmmmmmayyybe
QuoteAnonymous Asked: Do you guys plan on doing a game review of Legend of Zelda Wind Waker HD?
Answer: Probably not. We?ll play it though!
QuoteAnonymous Asked: Will you guys ever do an official Toonami podcast?
Answer: Maybe! We?re thinking about what it might be!
QuoteAnonymous Asked: I didn't *love* Kickheart, but I definitely liked it! Any plans to do more weird independent shorts in the future?
Answer: Yes!
QuoteAnonymous Asked: This is kinda a two part question. 1 Are any of the members of Toonami plan on getting Pokemon X or Y. and 2? If possible can TOM do a review on the game when it comes out?
Answer: 1. yes 2. maybe!
Quotegtsimeon Asked: How are you guys doing? Does the future of Toonami seem good? Do you guys have a Facebook fan page or a instagram? When toonami left years ago I was really upset. Now that it's back I wanna make sure you guys stay. Tom is so cool!!!!!!!
Answer: Thanks! we?re doing GREAT. The future looks good. We don?t have an official FB or Instagram but we may very soon!
Quoteinu-san87 Asked: I heard that Bleach is going on hiatus soon is that correct?
Answer: Not as far as we know!
QuoteAnonymous Asked: Will you guys and Adult Swim Games ever team up to do any games based off of Toonami or the shows? Also back in the day did you guys have any say in the flash games on Cartoon Network's site?
Answer: We hope to make a Toonami game in the future, and back in the day we had little to no say in those old flash games.
QuoteAnonymous Asked: If you guys once aired Hamtaro, would it be possible for you to air Sgt. Frog?
Answer:We didn?t air Hamtaro voluntarily, so we probably won?t be airing Sgt. Frog.
The only reason I would want
Sgt. Frog on Toonami at all would be so that FUNimation would dub a season 4 and give me the Keroro vs. Gaururu Platoon arc all nice and dubbed. C'mon, FUNi, just up to there! Please?
Quotedumbfartness Asked: is there any way sym-bionic titan could get a dvd/blu-ray release through adult swim?
Answer: Not that we know of, sorry. We?d love that!
Quoteeawestruckkid Asked: Do you think FMA will be able to finish it's current run before the rights expire?
Answer: Yes.
Quotesketch1984 Asked: Are you willing to air hour long shows and OVA series with varying run times?
Answer: Yes.
QuoteAnonymous Asked: Will we have one more movie night before years end?
Answer: Hmmmmmmmmmaybe
Quotesketch1984 Asked: Could you claw Samurai Jack out of the Turner vault? Not many providers offers Boomerang
Answer: As long as Jack is on Boomerang, it cannot air on Toonami.
QuoteAsked: Any chance Sara could get a body for Christmas time holidays present?
Answer:mmmmaybe.
QuoteAnonymous Asked: Will there a promo for the One piece water 7 arc?
Answer: We?re thinking about it!
Wow, they did lose the rights to Bebop. But it might be a good thing that it's taking a hiatus.
As great as it is, there's only so many times you can sit through all 26 episodes without getting tired of it. A break isn't the worst thing in the world.
I hope it immediately comes back. It should always be on Toonami.
QuoteAnonymous Asked: I didn't *love* Kickheart, but I definitely liked it! Any plans to do more weird independent shorts in the future?
Answer: Yes!
:srs:
QuoteAnonymous Asked: Will we have one more movie night before years end?
Answer: Hmmmmmmmmmaybe
C'mooooon
Redline!
I'd be down for Redline, and apparently the guys are fans of it, so we don't have to count it out.
I haven't followed Toonami at all since its return a year or so ago. Has it been alright?
It's been...decent. The Evangelion and redesign were nice, but 2013 really hasn't been an outstanding year for it, as far as pickups are concerned.
I'll be honest and say that the Eva movies have been the only time I've watched the block this year.
I still haven't watched it.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on October 01, 2013, 03:41:34 PM
I still haven't watched it.
Same. I'm usually either asleep or doing work by the time the big 3 bullshit ends. Like hell I'm staying up past 3 AM to watch their only good shows, one of which I own on DVD.
Well, I like the One Piece anime, so that's the earliest good show the block has on for me. One Piece is honestly only show on Toonami that's actually worth it for me to watch right now, since they are airing episodes I haven't seen dubbed yet.
I've watched all of Soul Eater and Star Wars: The Clone Wars before, and they're both alright, but not good enough for me to watch them unless I'm already staying up late anyway, which I almost never am. The Big O, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, and Cowboy Bebop are great and I love them and all, but I've seen each of those shows three-four times in full already, and I'd rather sleep from 3-5am in the morning than watch reruns (something I'm not keen on doing anymore, anyway, cause of how massive my backlogs for so many things is).
And, of course, I hate or dislike Bleach, Naruto, Sword Art Online, IGPX, and the InuYasha anime, so I generally don't watch them. Overall there is little for me to be excited about watching in the block, so there's nothing really keeping me watching it, and since I don't really have the ability or real desire to stay up late on Saturdays just for dubbed One Piece anymore, I haven't watched the block for the last month or so, and probably won't unless they get something I'm really dying to see. Well, I might wake up to catch the Band of 7 arc of InuYasha since the anime actually did a good job with that part of the series, and I can catch it at 8am with the west feed, but only if I don't feel like sleeping or doing other shit, which is pretty unlikely. Aside from the 12am and 2am hours, I don't think the block is awful, but there's also nothing exciting about it either that makes me want to lose sleep over it. All I want is a good new show or two I haven't watched before or at least haven't watched before dubbed. Is that too much to ask for, Toonami? :imnothappy:
I watched it last month and an additional time or two.
A looming reminder of what's to come.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVjraZCCYAA5Pjd.jpg:large)
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on October 02, 2013, 03:30:40 AMA looming reminder of what's to come.
I'll be spending that half-hour eating popcorn while on TZ.
If LL survives that long, her disgust at Kazuha should make for comedy gold.
This. (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/adult-swim-toonami-forum/309314-c-c-sword-art-online-crimson-killing-intent-%5B10-5%5D.html) This is what I live for in a TZ Talkback. A bunch of poor schlubs about to discover this show's decent into depravity.
Wrong link, Dalek.
ITS THAT TIME AGAIN...
Toonami From Heaven 2014
12:00 - JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (201x series)
12:30 - Magi: The Labyrinth of Magic
01:00 - Attack on Titan
01:30 - Kill la Kill
02:00 - Blood-Lad
02:30 - Psycho-Pass
03:00 - Gargantia on the Verduous Planet
03:30 - Fate/Zero
04:00 - Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt
04:30 - Space Adventure Cobra (subtitled)
05:00 - Girls und Panzer
05:30 - Log Horizon
And on the other end of the spectrum...
TOONAMI FROM HELL!!! 2014
12:00 - Bleach
12:30 - Naruto
01:00 - Il Sole Penetera il Illusioni
01:30 - Vividred Operation
02:00 - Lupin III Part III
02:30 - Valvrave The Liberator
03:00 - Diabolik Lovers
03:15 - Kakusen-Kun
03:30 - Stella Girls Academy Club C-Cubed
04:00 - Flowers of Evil
04:30 - Geist Crusher
05:00 - Strike the Blood
05:30 - Monogatari Series
Is part three of Lupin really that bad?
Quote from: Cartoon X on October 20, 2013, 08:02:49 PM
Is part three of Lupin really that bad?
It's pretty horrible. There are maybe 5-10 really good episodes in there, but the rest is garbage.
Just find a way to fit Hunter X Hunter (2011) in there and I'd be pretty satisfied.
Also, maybe Hajime no Ippo would work as well if someone licensed and dubbed seasons 2 and 3 since even if season 1 is old by now, the series is still relevant what with it having new anime material currently being produced for it.
Toonami closes 2013 and opens up 2014 with a bang with the first good pickup they've had in months. (http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/65032254047/big-honkin-toonami-announcement-hey-everybody)
Space Dandy and 6.5 hour toonami............AWESOME!!!!!!!!!! :shakeshakeshake:
Well the winter clusterfuck just got interesting.
I just hope they don't cut down the OP for Toonami. Viva Namida is so amazing.
Quote from: Foggle on October 25, 2013, 11:23:43 AM
I just hope they don't cut down the OP for Toonami. Viva Namida is so amazing.
Its the new first half hour. They ain't cutting it.
Hell yes.
News of merit from today's Tumblr Q&A session:
Quote from: adyniz on Toonzone
* FLCL will run twice, so that they can make some things happen later.
* Toonami's budget has been slightly increased.
* Toonami's Spacy Dandy deal was initiated about 10 months ago.
* The future of 11:30pm timeslot depends on how well it does.
* Top 5 requested shows: Attack on Titan, DBZ, Fairy Tail, Toriko, Kill La Kill
Plus, a tidbit I found amusing:
Quoteanonymous asked:
What are the top 5 strangest shows you ever aired?
QuoteToonami answered:
1. Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo
2. FLCL
3. Blue Submarine No. 6
4. Hamtaro
after that, we think they all have weird moments but none are as crazy as those 4.
:)
The Blue Submarine No. 6 OST is godly.
I really hope Kill la Kill gets onto Toonami, but I won't hold my breath. I also don't have high hopes for the dub since it's Aniplex of America.
I haven't watched Toonami since it first came back. It's only so many times I can continue to watch the same shows over and over. If I wanted to watch the same shows repeatedly I'd watch my dvds (FMA:B and CB being the main targets), and as hooked as I was when IGPX first aired it was not enough to get me into Toonami (not to mention I don't stay up nearly as late anymore).
That being said, depending on the line up (give the most notorious shows that repeats often a break), with the addition of Space Dandy and admittedly not being completely on board with Kill la Kill yet, but if Funimation license it and they get the right V/A's for it (which could win me over) I'd be willing to tune in again.
Quote from: Grave on October 27, 2013, 04:09:42 PM
That being said, depending on the line up (give the most notorious shows that repeats often a break), with the addition of Space Dandy and admittedly not being completely on board with Kill la Kill yet, but if Funimation license it and they get the right V/A's for it (which could win me over) I'd be willing to tune in again.
Unfortunately, Aniplex of America has licensed
Kill la Kill, which means the dub for it will likely be mediocre at best.
If they even bother to dub it at all (still annoyed about Magi).
Wait, they aren't dubbing Magi? What the hell! ???
Quote from: Lord Dalek on October 27, 2013, 04:26:28 PM
If they even bother to dub it at all (still annoyed about Magi).
It's actually popular with western fans. They'll dub it.
The problem is, there are very few American voice actors who I feel can pull off the kind of performances seen in the Japanese Kill la Kill, and as far as I know, none of them are part of Aniplex's usual talent pool.
Quote from: Cartoon X on October 27, 2013, 04:31:41 PM
Wait, they aren't dubbing Magi? What the hell! ???
Oh its dubbed, they just dumped it on Neon Alley.
Because... boobs I guess.
Oh. Well, being on Neon Alley doesn't mean that it won't get on Toonami at some point (at least that's what they keep telling us).
But man, Neon Alley has a pretty good lineup now, huh? Tiger and Bunny, Fate/Zero, Gurren Lagann, Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Revolutionary Girl Utena, InuYasha: The Final Act, Death Note, Magi, One Piece, Ranma 1/2...maybe it's about time I get it. It's what I'd enjoy a Toonami network to be like, crap like the Naruto franchise aside.
Paying a premium for an anime TV station just doesn't seem right to me. I'd rather buy the DVD/BDs or watch on my PC.
Quote from: Foggle on October 27, 2013, 04:33:13 PM
Quote from: Lord Dalek on October 27, 2013, 04:26:28 PM
If they even bother to dub it at all (still annoyed about Magi).
It's actually popular with western fans. They'll dub it.
The problem is, there are very few American voice actors who I feel can pull off the kind of performances seen in the Japanese Kill la Kill, and as far as I know, none of them are part of Aniplex's usual talent pool.
And even if they do get the casting right, it wouldn't save the dub from sounding bland, given Aniplex's previous track record.
Quote from: Rynnec on October 27, 2013, 05:43:43 PM
And even if they do get the casting right, it wouldn't save the dub from sounding bland, given Aniplex's previous track record.
Exactly. Only the Fate/Zero dub could make Crispin Freeman and Matt Mercer sound boring. And even if it was a good dub, I don't know if anyone could surpass Ami Koshimizu or Shinichiro Miki. Also, judging by nearly every anime dub ever, Mako would be more annoying than funny in English.
Quote from: Foggle on October 27, 2013, 05:48:47 PM
Quote from: Rynnec on October 27, 2013, 05:43:43 PM
And even if they do get the casting right, it wouldn't save the dub from sounding bland, given Aniplex's previous track record.
Exactly. Only the Fate/Zero dub could make Crispin Freeman and Matt Mercer sound boring.
Durarara is the only Aniplex dub I've heard that actually sounds legitly good.
QuoteAnd even if it was a good dub, I don't know if anyone could surpass Ami Koshimizu or Shinichiro Miki. Also, judging by nearly every anime dub ever, Mako would be more annoying than funny in English.
The only actress I can see doing Mako justice is Philece Sampler.
Quote from: Foggle on October 27, 2013, 05:48:47 PMeven if it was a good dub, I don't know if anyone could surpass Ami Koshimizu or Shinichiro Miki.
Now you just sound exactly like Jacob T. Paschal. :humhumhum:
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on October 27, 2013, 07:27:59 PM
Quote from: Foggle on October 27, 2013, 05:48:47 PMeven if it was a good dub, I don't know if anyone could surpass Ami Koshimizu or Shinichiro Miki.
Now you just sound exactly like Jacob T. Paschal. :humhumhum:
No.
even if it was a good dub, I don't know if anyone could surpass Koush'imizu Ami or Miki Shin'ichirou.
Now I do.
Based on a dub by a subpar localization company. :>
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on October 27, 2013, 07:38:21 PM
Based on a dub by a subpar localization company. :>
So, Ensatsu-ken, on a scale of 1 to 10 Naruto: Shippuden episode #167's, exactly how sakuga was episode 4 of KIRRU ra KIRRU? Personally, I felt that Imaish'i Hirouyuuki (known for his key animation on several cuts from Wan Piisu: Omatsuri Danshaku to Himitsu no Shima) did an absolutely horrendous job with the storyboarding - certainly not up to par with the high standard set by 2011's Buriichi episode #232.
That doesn't fit at all. Jacob would NEVER address anyone to inquire their opinion on something. That would imply that he didn't consider his own opinions to be fact. Your imitation is still not douche-baggy enough to be mistaken for a JTP post, Foggle. :sly:
I have to agree with Foggle, honestly. I've heard my fair share of dubs in all sorts of genres, and I can't really imagine any voice actress in the dubbing industry who could play Ryuko or Mako as well as their original seiyuu's. In any case, there also just roles where the original actor is so unique and excellent that even a great dubbed performance can't really match up to the original in some people's eyes. I particularly feel like this about Mayumi Tanaka's Luffy in One Piece and Fumi Hirano's Lum in Urusei Yatsura, myself. :humhumhum:
At least my post was better than the latest episode (#101) of Hantaa x Hantaa. The Kimera Anto arc continues to expose Tougash'i Yoush'ihirou's inadequacy as a writer in comparison to that of the legendary Kish'imoutou Masash'i. Madohausu really should just give up; they are nowhere near the level of Toei in the sakuga department, delivering only sasuga animeshon 99% of the time.
Quote from: Cartoon X on October 27, 2013, 07:56:47 PM
I have to agree with Foggle, honestly. I've heard my fair share of dubs in all sorts of genres, and I can't really imagine any voice actress in the dubbing industry who could play Ryuko or Mako as well as their original seiyuu's. In any case, there also just roles where the original actor is so unique and excellent that even a great dubbed performance can't really match up to the original in some people's eyes. I particularly feel like this about Mayumi Tanaka's Luffy in One Piece and Fumi Hirano's Lum in Urusei Yatsura, myself. :humhumhum:
I think this is why I've always had the opinion that instead of trying to match the original seiyuu, match the character themselves. At least that sounded good in my mind back when I was more into anime.
Quote from: Grave on October 27, 2013, 08:05:22 PM
I think this is why I've always had the opinion that instead of trying to match the original seiyuu, match the character themselves. At least that sounded good in my mind back when I was more into anime.
Indeed. I think that approach is why performances like Steve Blum's Spike and Johnny Young Bosh's Vash are so excellent, to the point where they rival or surpass the original performances, in my opinion, as well as performances like Richard Ian Cox's Ranma and Christopher Sabat's Zoro, where they add their own unique flavor to the roles while still playing them somewhat similar that makes them stand out more to me. Most of the dubs I enjoy most are honestly those that perform the characters in their own way but in a way that's still true to the characters themselves, and I think that's probably the approach dubs should always go for, myself.
I have to admit that, while I like watching plenty of anime in their original languages, I find very few roles to ever stand out to me as memorable, mostly because, being the ignorant American that I am, I don't understand the language, and usually can't accurately critique the performance.
The few cases where voices stand out to me in the original Japanese is with shows like One Piece. The reason being that the voices in those shows sound like actual characters, in the same fashion as you'd find the classic Looney Tunes character voices iconic (I do still like the dub, though). With a more serious show like Fate/Zero, the voices sound more realistic to me, which of course fits the tone of the show, but at the same time I honestly can't really remember any of the voices outside of the show. If you were to play an audio clip of any of the characters talking without any visuals to accompany it, I wouldn't be able to match the voice to the character in most cases.
Of late, Kill la Kill and Fate/Zero are the only shows where I've felt that the Japanese voice acting has particularly stood out, though I do prefer the original audio track in Lupin III stuff as well.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on October 27, 2013, 09:33:23 PM
With a more serious show like Fate/Zero, the voices sound more realistic to me, which of course fits the tone of the show, but at the same time I honestly can't really remember any of the voices outside of the show. If you were to play an audio clip of any of the characters talking without any visuals to accompany it, I wouldn't be able to match the voice to the character in most cases.
On the flip side, even though English is my native language, I honestly could not tell the difference between Kiritsugu's, Kotomine's, and Tokiomi's voices in the Fate/Zero dub, while I could instantly tell them apart in the original Japanese. But that's a straight up outlier.
Maybe the dub will be as good as Higurashi's?
That would be worth the dub.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on October 28, 2013, 03:26:45 PM
Maybe the dub will be as good as Higurashi's?
That would be worth the dub.
They should get whoever played Rika to be every character.
Quote from: Cartoon X on October 27, 2013, 08:13:42 PM
Quote from: Grave on October 27, 2013, 08:05:22 PM
I think this is why I've always had the opinion that instead of trying to match the original seiyuu, match the character themselves. At least that sounded good in my mind back when I was more into anime.
Indeed. I think that approach is why performances like Steve Blum's Spike and Johnny Young Bosh's Vash are so excellent, to the point where they rival or surpass the original performances, in my opinion, as well as performances like Richard Ian Cox's Ranma and Christopher Sabat's Zoro, where they add their own unique flavor to the roles while still playing them somewhat similar that makes them stand out more to me. Most of the dubs I enjoy most are honestly those that perform the characters in their own way but in a way that's still true to the characters themselves, and I think that's probably the approach dubs should always go for, myself.
I'll take it 1 step further. David Kaye's Sesshoumaru. I don't know what the original sound like and quite frankly, I'm not the least bit interested either. He sold that role, and made Inuyasha worth watching (because I swear, if it weren't for him I would've given up on that series after the 2nd episode) And then when Viz licensed Bleach, everybody and their mother knew that he was going to be the voice of Byakuya because they were one in the same.
Quote from: Ensatsu-kenI don't understand the language, and usually can't accurately critique the performance.
Most of the times when the sub/dub debate pops up I may come off as tossing subs aside because I prefer dubs, but that's mainly because of what you said. I don't understand the language, and that leads me into not really being able to get any sense of emotion from the seiyuu's. I mean, I can see that a lot of characters are going through something, but I never feel for them.
Quote from: Grave on October 28, 2013, 05:20:06 PM
I'll take it 1 step further. David Kaye's Sesshoumaru. I don't know what the original sound like and quite frankly, I'm not the least bit interested either. He sold that role, and made Inuyasha worth watching (because I swear, if it weren't for him I would've given up on that series after the 2nd episode).
But Sesshomaru doesn't appear until the 5th episode! :>
But yeah, he's by far my favorite character in the series, and David Kaye's Sesshomaru was one of the few performances in the
InuYasha anime that I liked, with Paul Dobson's Naraku, Janyse Jaud's Kagura, Chiara Zanni's Hakudoshi, and Ross Douglas' Moryomaru being the only other ones. The japanese cast isn't as annoying as some of the dub voices to me, but in contrast off the top of my head only Kagura's seiyuu was really great to me. The uneven performances by both casts is actually one of the reasons I don't care for
InuYasha as an anime anyway, and would by a mile rather read the manga.
Oops... Show you how long it's been since I've seen Inuyasha.:)
The latest Surprise seems to have gone down like a bad mixer of Pepto and Club Soda.
People liked Korgoth, though. It was King Star King and Kick-Heart they hated. The reaction has been more mixed than outright negative, as far as I can tell.
King Star King tried way too hard to be an adult version of Adventure Time.
I can never get tired of Korgoth. It's always a treat to see it on TV, so I'm glad Toonami aired it.
I fell asleep before Krap-Heart started. I saw it the first time, so I didn't miss anything.
Frankly, after three miserable "surprises" in a row (after the two Evangelion movies and now DST), I'm sick of these things. Toonami needs to stop with the on-air surprises so we don't stay up all night just to feel underwhelmed. Either announce it ahead of time or don't pick it up at all. It's pissing me off.
I liked the music videos they aired during and after Evangelion 1.0. :-\
I saw a minute of King Star King before deciding it was crap. I left Korgoth on as background noise, but it was surprisingly decent background noise, would've made for an interesting series. And I still don't give a crap about Kickheart.
Quote from: Cartoon X on November 03, 2013, 05:24:46 PM
I liked the music videos they aired during and after Evangelion 1.0. :-\
The music videos were the only good "surprise" they've had.
Just watched King Star King. That shit was just vile. The character designs were grotesque, the violence was disgusting, the sexuality was degrading, the writing was nonexistent, and the voice acting was lame. The animation itself was quite good, but it would not be a stretch to call this one of the worst cartoons I've seen all year.
So apparently King Star King got picked up for a season according to the series creator on Twitter.
GOD IS DEAD AND WE KILLED HIM!
But Daxdiv, the show is brilliant and inventive. And the haters are clearly angry that it's not anime.
:wth:
I...don't know what to say to this.
Only Toonami...
I don't think it's going to air on Toonami, just on normal [adult swim]. Besides, DeMarco seems to have gotten the message that it was highly unpopular.
Quote from: Cartoon X on November 03, 2013, 10:37:12 PM
:wth:
I...don't know what to say to this.
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.starcraftmazter.net%2F4chan%2Ffor_forums%2Ftroll_toll.jpg&hash=62f003f53e65fdc8f21eb1d2b2359713cc905e4a)
I don't want to get into any boys' hole.
DeMarco is taking suggestions (https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/397153307204255746) for next year's DST on Twitter.
Let's contribute so it doesn't suck next year, mkay? ;)
Shippuden...
FUCK YOU DEMARCO!!!!!!!
I would use that troll toll pic you always use on me, but that would be too lame. :awesome:
My reaction to this is a big firm "Eh." I hate the show and all, but c'mon, we all knew this would happen sooner or later. Shippuden is a guaranteed ratings hit, so it's obvious that they wouldn't pass up the chance to air it when they were finally able to get it. At least they are replacing regular Naruto for it, and not airing both. I mean, starting it from episode 1 isn't great either because we have to endure it for years longer than otherwise, but at least when Bleach finally dies next august we should only be left with one crappy long-running shonen (unless, of course, they pick up Fairy Tail or Toriko *shudders*). So while this is far from great news, this doesn't infuriate me. I know it'll draw huge numbers for the block, and I really can't complain about that when I look at it from a detached, business perspective. I just hope the other shows they'll pick up next year will actually be watchable, and not crap like The Future Diary or the aforementioned shonen atrocities or whatever.
So when did Disney lose the rights?
I guess recently. Since they so eagerly are dropping the original series for it, I can only imagine that if the opportunity arose any earlier, they would have seized the chance to get it in a heartbeat.
It turns out that [adult swim] is actually co-funding Space Dandy (http://ask.fm/Clarknova/answer/103518743785). If the deal is anything like Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex's and Big O season 2, than they may have unlimited rights to the series, which would be a nice development since that means the series should be guaranteed to rerun after it's over or even have the possibility to get even more episodes if it does well enough.
Quote from: Cartoon X on November 06, 2013, 10:10:50 PM
It turns out that [adult swim] is actually co-funding Space Dandy (http://ask.fm/Clarknova/answer/103518743785). If the deal is anything like Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex's and Big O season 2, than they may have unlimited rights to the series, which would be a nice development since that means the series should be guaranteed to rerun after it's over or even have the possibility to get even more episodes if it does well enough.
YAAAAH-TAH!
It's time for everyone's favorite SAO arc. :sly:
Quote from: Daikun on November 09, 2013, 09:28:53 PM
It's time for everyone's favorite SAO arc. :sly:
Seriously If PortraitOfAGhostShip starts praising Sugou as a masterstroke of creative genius please ban him on the spot.
12/7- AKIRA
12/14- SUMMER WARS
12/21- FULL METAL ALCHEMIST- THE CONQUEROR OF SHAMBALLA
12/28- TRIGUN: BADLAND RUMBLE
Not bad choices. I might check out the FMA and Trigun movies out of curiosity, and maybe rewatch the other 2 if I have nothing better to do.
Not bad at all. I can't really fault the movie selection this time around.
Fuck yes. I've been meaning to watch Akira and Summer Wars for some time now, and the other two movies, while not necessarily great, are quite enjoyable to me. Though, it's odd that they would air Shamballa instead of Milos, since they haven't aired the original Fullmetal Alchemist anime in a long ass time, but I can dig it well enough.
A little disappointed to not see Strong World and Redline, but it's probably too early to show the former while the latter isn't a FUNi licensed movie like the others here. At least they are airing good movies, and not trashy Bleach or Naruto bores. I'm excited to see 'em on the block. :)
While I did buy Strong World, I can see it airing later down the line. Though if they had to air a One Piece movie, realistically.... they probably would have been that condensed retelling of Alabasta arc, since that is the only other OP dub movie they released and it's been out for a long time.
Yeah...no. The Alabasta movie is lame, and I don't really want Toonami to air it just because it's a One Piece movie. Didn't know Strong World came out this week. Guess I have to get myself down to Best Buy tomorrow and pick it up!
Having (unfortunately) not seen any of these movies, I'll have to tune in.
With all this and Space Dandy coming, I might actually start regularly watching Toonami for the first time in over a year.
Quote from: Cartoon X on November 15, 2013, 08:41:31 PM
Yeah...no. The Alabasta movie is lame, and I don't really want Toonami to air it just because it's a One Piece movie. Didn't know Strong World came out this week. Guess I have to get myself down to Best Buy tomorrow and pick it up!
I actually ordered my copy from RightStuf and they're well known for shipping new releases 2 weeks before the intended street date. So I don't think you'll find it at Best Buy just yet.
Quote from: ShadowGentleman on November 15, 2013, 08:44:08 PM
Having (unfortunately) not seen any of these movies, I'll have to tune in.
If you haven't seen the first
Fullmetal Alchemist anime you shouldn't watch
Shamballa. It's the conclusion to a much different story than Arakawa's manga/
Brotherhood.
Well, what do ya know! A movie month without Rebuild 3.0! :thumbup:
Holy crap! They actually got Akira! And Summer Wars, too? I haven't seen that one yet; what a nice surprise!
So they're finally airing the FMA movie when the original Adult Swim Action wouldn't do it. It took them long enough. I just hope that viewers don't confuse this with the Brotherhood continuity.
I'm glad they picked up the Trigun film, because I haven't seen that one, either.
They didn't get Redline. :butbut: Oh, well. This is going to be a great month, regardless.
Quote from: Cartoon X on November 15, 2013, 08:51:32 PM
If you haven't seen the first Fullmetal Alchemist anime you shouldn't watch Shamballa.
I've seen it. No worries.
Quote from: Daxdiv on November 15, 2013, 08:46:21 PM
I actually ordered my copy from RightStuf and they're well known for shipping new releases 2 weeks before the intended street date. So I don't think you'll find it at Best Buy just yet.
Ah, okay then. I can wait on it. I know that
Akira came out this week, and I was planning to buy that movie so that I could finally watch it (and because I like the manga enough to buy it's critically acclaimed movie). Now that Toonami's airing it, though, I'll just watch the movie on the block first.
Quote from: Daikun on November 15, 2013, 08:53:42 PM
They didn't get Redline. :butbut:
They only went for FUNi movies, which
Redline, unfortunately, isn't. It's a shame, but hopefully we'll see it on the block one of these days.
I approve of all of these movies. Shame Redline isn't among one of them.
Summer Wars is my favorite animated movie ever. You did good this time, Toonami.
Also, Foggle, you now have no excuse to not watch this movie.
I'm also glad to see that Akira is getting aired.
I also would like to see Strong World on Toonami, maybe a year or two from now.
Never cared for Shambala, but it's not a terrible choice, either, and Badlands Rumble is pretty "eh" at best, but it's also something that's worth watching once if you haven't already seen it.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on November 15, 2013, 10:06:33 PM
Summer Wars is my favorite animated movie ever.
I thought
The Hunchback of Notre Dame was your favorite animated movie?
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on November 15, 2013, 10:06:33 PM
Also, Foggle, you now have no excuse to not watch this movie.
You assume I would ever willingly watch Toonami outside of the upcoming Space Dandy premieres. :>
Quote from: Cartoon X on November 15, 2013, 10:11:10 PMI thought The Hunchback of Notre Dame was your favorite animated movie?
I meant to say my favorite anime movie, but either way it, The Lion King, and The Hunchback of Notredame are pretty close in quality to me.
Quote from: Foggle on November 15, 2013, 10:33:57 PMYou assume I would ever willingly watch Toonami outside of the upcoming Space Dandy premieres. :>
You will if you don't want me to find out where you live and force you to, myself. :>
They'll be playing the Pioneer dub (https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/401715165265002496) of Akira.
Oh thank god its the good dub.
Come March, Toonami will start airing Blue Exorcist.
What's the 411 on this one?
Well, Vlord's watched it all and liked it, so he could probably tell you about it more in detail.
As for me, Blue Exorcist doesn't appeal to me, because it's basically just another ghost-fighting shonen series, and it even has the school thing going on in it like Soul Eater, which is a meh concept for my tastes. I've never actually watched the show, I can't really judge it, but at the same time it isn't something I think I'd ever get excited for. I've had my fill of ghost-fighting shonen, thank you.
More or less I'm disappointed that Magi or Fate/Zero isn't coming. Well, maybe sometime. At least we have confirmation that Neon Alley deals DO NOT affect what Toonami can get.
From what I gather, it's Bleach 2.0.
Welp, at least it's not Valvrave.
Quote from: Rynnec on November 22, 2013, 08:22:28 PM
From what I gather, it's Bleach 2.0.
Welp, at least it's not Valvrave.
My thoughts exactly. Probably better than SAO as well.
I just hope Kill la Kill is next.
Soul Eater 2.0 would be more accurate, since they have the school thing going on for it. The most original thing about the show that I know of is that the main character is the son of Satan, so...yeah.
I don't mean to bash the show, since that would be unfair 'cause I've never watched it, but I don't think, from what I've heard about it and know about it, it was the best pick they could have gotten from Aniplex. I'm sure it's not terrible, but it's also not something I'm excited for. That's my personal two cents on the show.
Quote from: Foggle on November 22, 2013, 08:26:28 PM
I just hope Kill la Kill is next.
If KLK gets on Neon Alley instead of/before Toonami.... :srs:
It doesn't sound like mine, or most of the community on here's cup of tea, but from what I've been hearing from you guys and read up myself, it sounds kind of perfect for Toonami's tastes. So there you go.
Well, the show is trending on twitter right now, so it seems most of the Toonami audience is happy/excited by the news. Although I'm not pumped for it, I must say that block has done right for the majority of it's fans, at the very least.
Quote from: Cartoon X on November 22, 2013, 08:16:22 PM
Well, Vlord's watched it all and liked it
I only thought it was a decent series. It wasn't bad but it wasn't that great either. I would much rather have Magi or Fate/Zero.
Meanwhile Hunter X Hunter still isn't even in line for getting licensed. I've pretty much given up on that series ever coming over to the states, though. Ever since Viz screwed up with the first anime, the series probably looked like it wouldn't sell well, over here. It's a shame, because personally I find it to be relatively fresh compared to most mainstream shounen series, but I guess it may just not be to everyone's liking.
Anyways, I'd still settle for Fate/Zero, Kill La Kill, or Magi. Samurai Flamenco might also be a future candidate if that ever gets licensed (it does have a surprising amount of action for the type if story that it's telling).
I still wish Toonami had a place for some older anime outside of just Cowboy Bebop. In that case, there'd be plenty more options for them to choose from, but I suppose most of the Toonami fan base aren't interested in the older stuff unless it's related to something that was already on Toonami (or Adult Swim) in years past.
Yeah, Jason has made it clear that unless it was a Toonami/ASA favorite, there is just about no chance for an older series to make it onto the block. It's not something they personally agree with, but financially it's the way to go.
Older anime (like 80's/early 90's) would be great for the later hours of the block.
Quote from: VLordGTZ on November 22, 2013, 10:48:33 PM
I only thought it was a decent series. It wasn't bad but it wasn't that great either. I would much rather have Magi or Fate/Zero.
You were into it for a while and tried to get me to watch it. Next you'll tell me you didn't like
Kekkaishi when you repeatedly talked to me about how much you enjoyed reading it. :thinkin:
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on November 22, 2013, 10:59:13 PM
Meanwhile Hunter X Hunter still isn't even in line for getting licensed. I've pretty much given up on that series ever coming over to the states, though. Ever since Viz screwed up with the first anime, the series probably looked like it wouldn't sell well, over here. It's a shame, because personally I find it to be relatively fresh compared to most mainstream shounen series, but I guess it may just not be to everyone's liking.
I heard someone theorize that Madhouse won't allow the series to be licensed until after it's over. That doesn't make much sense, yeah, but it's really the only explanation I can think of as to why it hasn't been licensed yet. :??:
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on November 22, 2013, 10:59:13 PM
Anyways, I'd still settle for Fate/Zero, Kill La Kill, or Magi. Samurai Flamenco might also be a future candidate if that ever gets licensed (it does have a surprising amount of action for the type if story that it's telling).
You've been watching
Samurai Flamenco and
Magi too? How far are you in them? But yeah, I'd love for any of those shows to get on the block at some point. Though, I thought Aniplex has already licensed
Flamenco?
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on November 22, 2013, 10:59:13 PMI still wish Toonami had a place for some older anime outside of just Cowboy Bebop. In that case, there'd be plenty more options for them to choose from, but I suppose most of the Toonami fan base aren't interested in the older stuff unless it's related to something that was already on Toonami (or Adult Swim) in years past.
What does that make
Akira? It's older than
Bebop and they've never aired it before. If the quality is good enough, or the series is great enough, I think they would break their no pre-
Bebop show rule and air it, but it would have to be at the right price I'd reckon, and it also have to be a reasonable enough investment (as in, how much ratings could it be expected to get and what advertisers will pay for space during the commercial breaks) for the network to consider it. But since all I personally want on Toonami are good shows, I'd welcome a great older anime, myself.
Akira is a movie, and a popular one among anime fans, at that. Its just a one-time thing. I'm talking about older TV series that were ever aired on Toonami before. I understand why they can't do it, but I'm just saying that its a shame that they either can't afford or find an audience for some of the less appreciated classics.
As for SF, I caught up to it earlier this week upon Foggle's recommendation. I'm only 7 or 8 episodes into Magi, so far.
Quote from: Cartoon X on November 22, 2013, 11:12:58 PM
You were into it for a while and tried to get me to watch it. Next you'll tell me you didn't like Kekkaishi when you repeatedly talked to me about how much you enjoyed reading it. :thinkin:
You are correct about my opinion of Kekkaishi, but I never thought that Blue Excorcist was a very good series.
Samurai Flamenco is probably not going to be dubbed. Considering how Aniplex treats their less popular acquisitions (and believe me, almost no one cares about about SF), it'll probably be released sub-only DVD-only in the US.
Damn, that sucks..............
That is very disappointing to hear. Very, very disappointing. :'(
I really wish it was more popular too. Sadly, it's one of the lowest selling shows of the season (if not the lowest), and almost no one outside of us and other anime bloggers seems to be watching it. Such a shame, because it's easily one of the year's best TV anime IMO. AoA has never treated their shows well unless they're mega-popular, so it's pretty much guaranteed to get neither a dub nor a blu-ray release in the US. :(
Quote from: Foggle on November 23, 2013, 12:11:15 AMI really wish it was more popular too. Sadly, it's one of the lowest selling shows of the season (if not the lowest), and almost no one outside of us and other anime bloggers seems to be watching it. Such a shame, because it's easily one of the year's best TV anime IMO. AoA has never treated their shows well unless they're mega-popular, so it's pretty much guaranteed to get neither a dub nor a blu-ray release in the US. :(
At least it'll be getting a DVD/Blu-Ray release. Something like HXH won't even get licensed (and I believe that Viz already gave up their rights to the 1999 anime quite a while back, IIRC). Of course a lot of the more unique and interesting types of anime series do tend to get shoved to the side for the more extravagant stuff like Attack on Titan and such. I'm not saying that series like that don't deserve to be popular (I'm not really a big fan of AoT, but I can at least understand why it appeals to a lot of people), but I think the more reserved and well-written series like SF and HXH deserve at least the same treatment as those series get. But, at the end of the day, I understand that licensing anime is a business, and one that's honestly not all that profitable in the States, at that. So it only makes sense for FUNi and other companies to put more of their money and better resources into properties that they believe will sell better than others.
Raging boner time! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFlwqfYTBOs)
Eh, not as good as the Evangelion promos, but cool nonetheless. Still excited to finally see the movie next weekend, anyways.
Here's a new trailer for the best acquisition Toonami has made since it's revival... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjUDxKdnsEQ)
I've already seen Akira a couple of times, but it's cool that Toonami is airing it. Is Summer Wars supposed to come on the week after it, though? That one I've also seen a few times, but I'd definitely tune in just to watch it again.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on December 01, 2013, 12:51:46 PM
Is Summer Wars supposed to come on the week after it, though? That one I've also seen a few times, but I'd definitely tune in just to watch it again.
Yes,
Summer Wars will be aired on the 14th.
If only...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kiGK58suiE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kiGK58suiE)
The new Toonami Lineup starting January 4th, 2013 (http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/69062721932/january-4th-2014-a-day-that-will-be-long)
11:30 Space Dandy
12:00 Bleach
12:30 Naruto Shippuden
1:00 One Piece
1:30 Soul Eater
2:00 Sword Art Online
2:30 FLCL
3: 00 Naruto (starting over FROM EPISODE 1)
3:30 Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
4: 00 Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
4:30 IGPX
5: 00 Star Wars: The Clone Wars
5:30 InuYasha
GODDAMIT WHY? ISN'T SHITPUDEN ENOUGH, TOONAMI? WHY MUST YOU TORTURE US WITH NARUTO AGAIN, FROM THE BEGINNING AGAIN? :anger: :burn: :gonk: :frown:
I also don't get why they are putting Star Wars at 5am. It's doing great at 3, why not move it to 3:30? If they are worried about having 5am content friendly they can just put IGPX at 5. I at least get rerunning Naruto. It's a ratings whore. Moving Star Wars to 5am just makes no sense to me whatsoever when Ghost in the Shell and IGPX do worse than it and Brotherhood has already been rerun plenty of times.
Oh well...there's still Space Dandy to be excited for, at least.
Whoa, Jan. 4?!! It's really hitting home how soon that show is coming.
Quote from: Cartoon X on December 05, 2013, 11:05:37 AMGODDAMIT WHY? ISN'T SHITPUDEN ENOUGH, TOONAMI? WHY MUST YOU TORTURE US WITH NARUTO AGAIN, FROM THE BEGINNING AGAIN? :anger: :burn: :gonk: :frown:
It's actually Viz's fault this time. They left Toonami at a stalemate with this bullshit deal.
Quote#toonami fans, so I'm not doing this all day: we were allowed by partners to extend our ORIGINAL Naruto deal (52 eps) for a second run.
Continuing from where we left off would have been prohibitively expensive. Basically, it was get Shuppuden/re-run Naruto or continue...
with new Naruto eps, but NO Shippuden. The choice was clear. That's the first and last time I'll deal with that here so please do not ask.
IN SHORT: You can't have it all, and neither can we. But I certainly think 3 solid hours of premieres is a good way to kick off the year.
https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/408559335472496640 (https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/408559335472496640)
https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/408559585411080192 (https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/408559585411080192)
https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/408559782786646016 (https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/408559782786646016)
https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/408560025976590337 (https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/408560025976590337)
Yeah, that's why they shouldn't have bothered to pick Naruto up again.
Who knew Viz could be such manipulative bastards?
I'd use the troll toll but its too painful at this point. A WHOLE FUCKING HOUR DEDICATED TO THE WORST SHONEN OF ALL TIME. A WHOLE FUCKING HOUR.
That's an hour and a half if you count Bleach as the worst shounen ever as well. :sly:
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on December 05, 2013, 08:43:28 PM
That's an hour and a half if you count Bleach as the worst shounen ever as well. :sly:
Point taken. Its damned near close.
I think post-Soul Society
Bleach and post-Edolas
Fairy Tail are worse than anything in
Naruto or
Shippuden outside of the fillers, honestly. Though it's true their highs are better than anything in
Naruto.
Quote from: Daxdiv on December 05, 2013, 08:26:09 PM
Who knew Viz could be such manipulative bastards?
Well, it's not like they were forcing them to air it either. They could have just dropped it, but in the end it was Toonami's decision to extend their rights to those 52 episodes for another year.
I think even edited Naruto is better than Bleach, so....yeah.
Wait, what about SAO?
Samurai Jack will replace FLCL after it's current run. (http://podcast.toonamifaithful.com/toonami-faithful-podcast-74-a-month-of-interviews-featuring-jason-demarco/) Go to 1:48:30 for the proof.
A good decision. Another american series and one that's 52 episodes to boot. I hope they'll put The Secret Saturdays on sometime as well, mostly because it's always good to have another show that hasn't incessantly rerun as of yet rotate on the block.
Whoa!
Does that mean Boomerang is done with the show for now?
Apparently it's not airing on Boomerang anymore, so....yeah! At least for the next year.
This is great news, but also makes me wish there were other american cartoons they could get as well, but DC won't play ball, they won't air shows older than Bebop, and Megas is out. Besides Jack, that pretty much leaves only Secret Saturdays and Generator Rex left, which, honestly, wouldn't be terrible choices (though Rex is admittedly a mixed bag).
Summer Wars airs tonight! ;D
That means everyone has to watch it, including you, Foggle, or I'll be forced to murder you in your sleep. :blush:
I'll try to watch it soon, but not on Toonami. ;)
Quote from: Foggle on December 14, 2013, 10:35:12 AMI'll try to watch it soon, but not on Toonami. ;)
Soon better mean before the New Year, otherwise you can expect a rude awakening sometime "soon" (and by rude awakening, I actually mean torture and mutilation :joy:).
:whuh: :whuh: :whuh:
What time is it on?
Midnight
Nice! I've been wanting to rewatch this for a while.
The commercials certainly don't make it look appealing, but I'll try and tune in.
Prepare to be bored to death waiting for a Digimon episode to start.
Quote from: Nel_Annette on December 14, 2013, 01:27:51 PM
The commercials certainly don't make it look appealing, but I'll try and tune in.
Yeah, that's why I won't be watching it on Toonami. That, and I'm going to bed early tonight.
Quote from: Foggle on December 14, 2013, 01:47:34 PMQuote from: Nel_Annette on December 14, 2013, 01:27:51 PMThe commercials certainly don't make it look appealing, but I'll try and tune in.
Yeah, that's why I won't be watching it on Toonami.
Because a commercial is always the best way to judge something. :humhumhum:
But, you know, whatever. Personally, I agree with the guy who wrote this (http://animationrevelation.com/readables/?p=132) review.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on December 14, 2013, 01:55:51 PM
Quote from: Foggle on December 14, 2013, 01:47:34 PMQuote from: Nel_Annette on December 14, 2013, 01:27:51 PMThe commercials certainly don't make it look appealing, but I'll try and tune in.
Yeah, that's why I won't be watching it on Toonami.
Because a commercial is always the best way to judge something. :humhumhum:
But, you know, whatever. Personally, I agree with the guy who wrote this (http://animationrevelation.com/readables/?p=132) review.
Oh, I interpreted his post wrong. I personally meant that I won't be watching it on Toonami because commercials would slow down the flow of the movie. :sweat:
I liked their promo for it myself.
It's understandable to not want to watch it on Toonami because of the commercials. I mean, it'll last three hours with them, which is kind of a lot to sit through so late at night. I'll be watching, though. Hopefully [adult swim] live video doesn't keep buffering on me like it did for the first half of Akira.
Quote from: Foggle on December 14, 2013, 02:08:44 PMOh, I interpreted his post wrong. I personally meant that I won't be watching it on Toonami because commercials would slow down the flow of the movie. :sweat:
Or perhaps I'm the one who misinterpreted his post? :huh:
I just assumed that he was talking about the Toonami promo, which isn't quite the promo that I would've gone with, but I guess it serves its purpose for setting up the story.
Well, whatever. I think anyone who has time to watch it tonight should definitely give it a shot if they haven't already seen it, unless you have another way to watch it (presumably a legal one) without commercials, in which case I say go for it whenever you get that opportunity. :thumbup:
What? I said I'd still watch it. :lol:
The commercial just didn't make it look interesting to me. I saw a bunch of zany stuff on screen. When I heard everyone talking about Summer Wars when it originally came out, I just assumed it was some anime rom-com or something. So seeing the commercial just kind of left me speechless.
Well, there are rom-com elements in it, but those are kept extremely light and mostly in the background. As for the zany imagery, all I can say is that it just really works well in the context of the film. Seeing it in an out-of-context commercial isn't really going to do much for you. Personally, I think those are some of the most interesting and distinguished visuals of the film, myself.
I just finished re-watching it. This movie was every bit as awesome as I remembered it being. ;D
I also love how the main character of this movie is clearly modeled after Izzy from Digimon, rather than Tai.
Was pretty good. Kind of dragged in the beginning, but it got better as the film went on.
I'm fine with the beginning of the film, myself. It takes its time to build on the characters, which is a staple of all of Hosoda's films. On that end, I've always found his movies to be more appealing than Miyazaki's, whose plots tend to be less character-driven.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on December 15, 2013, 01:58:14 AM
On that end, I've always found his movies to be more appealing than Miyazaki's, whose plots tend to be less character-driven.
:il_rope:
I also didn't find the beginning to be slow in the slightest. Overall, I loved
Summer Wars. I'll elaborate some of my thoughts on it after some sleep.
I missed it. Oh well.
Eh, I just found the massive family to be really uninteresting. I almost changed the channel right before the middle.
The family was the best aspect of the movie. As Dr. Insomniac said in his review, it got to the point where the family was more interesting than Natsuki by herself. I guess we just have very different interests, Nel.
I wonder if they were ever given (or could be given) the option to air this on CN. It feels like it could air as one of their standard movies.
There was nothing stopping CN from airing Summer Wars before. The only reason it never aired on CN because they don't want to air it, and they probably never will unless they get an exec who likes and wants to air non-toyetic anime on it again.
Quote from: Daikun on December 15, 2013, 04:57:58 PM
I wonder if they were ever given (or could be given) the option to air this on CN. It feels like it could air as one of their standard movies.
Yeah it was kind of a head scratcher considering Summer Wars isn't much of an action movie.
That said I'm with Nel on the fact that the film is incredibly slow going in its first hour and kind of a chore to sit through (I imagine it was worse on Toonami with commercial interruptions every 12 or so minutes). Also the ending seems a bit too contrived for its own good. In Our War Game, Tai and Garumon simply beat up Diablomon. Here... its fricken Yu-Gi-Oh with hanafuda.
It doesn't have Omnimon either, so that also makes it inferior.
Quote from: Lord Dalek on December 15, 2013, 06:38:05 PMThat said I'm with Nel on the fact that the film is incredibly slow going in its first hour and kind of a chore to sit through (I imagine it was worse on Toonami with commercial interruptions every 12 or so minutes). Also the ending seems a bit too contrived for its own good. In Our War Game, Tai and Garumon simply beat up Diablomon. Here... its fricken Yu-Gi-Oh with hanafuda.
The significance of family and friendships is a theme found in many of Hosoda's films, including this film, The Girl Who Leapt Through Time, Wolf Children, and even that One Piece movie he directed, though that one was a lot more fucked up. As someone who comes from a big family, I found a lot that I could relate to in this movie, myself.
I also didn't find anything too contrived about the ending myself. Kenji solves a few algorithms. The end.
As for the whole card game thing, I fail to see how it's like Yu-Gi-Oh. The latter features card games that go into specific details about all sorts of nerdy shit. This movie just featured a Japanese card game as the basis of creating a wager with Love Machine. It would be no different from challenging him to Poker or any sort of game like that. The point here is that Natauki had a history of playing this game with her grandmother and it was implied that she was quite good at it, so it just makes sense that it's what she'd choose to play.
Anyways, now that Summer Wars and Akira have finished airing, Toonami is out of actual good movies for the month. Conqueror of Shambala is a steaming pile whereas Badlands Rumble is one of the most mediocre films that you'll ever watch.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on December 15, 2013, 12:47:37 PM
I guess we just have very different interests, Nel.
It's all cool man. :joy: I think based on the few years I've been here, I've come to learn that my tastes very much differ from a lot of people here. XD
Like I said, still a fun flick.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on December 15, 2013, 08:28:14 PM
Anyways, now that Summer Wars and Akira have finished airing, Toonami is out of actual good movies for the month. Conqueror of Shambala is a steaming pile whereas Badlands Rumble is one of the most mediocre films that you'll ever watch.
Meh, I like 'em enough. :bleh:
Quote from: Nel_Annette on December 15, 2013, 08:32:02 PMIt's all cool man. :joy: I think based on the few years I've been here, I've come to learn that my tastes very much differ from a lot of people here. XD
Like I said, still a fun flick.
:thumbup:
There'll be a special schedule for December 28th (https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/412403999019896832), to celebrate/promote Space Dandy coming the week after:
12:00 AM - Trigun: Badlands Rumble
3:00 AM - Cowboy Bebop - Episode 5
3:30 AM - Cowboy Bebop - Episode 12
4:00 AM - Cowboy Bebop - Episode 13
4:30 AM - Cowboy Bebop - Episode 17
5:00 AM - Cowboy Bebop - Episode 25
5:30 AM - Cowboy Bebop - Episode 26
Sure didn't take them long to get Cowboy Bebop back, huh? : :sweat: Well, I'm down for this marathon nonetheless since they airing some great episodes of the show and I can never get burned out on Bebop myself, especially these episodes. Though, I have to wonder what will really be airing between 2-3am, since Badlands would only be two hours with commercials. What surprises could they possibly have in store... :thinkin:
An entire hour of King Star King!!! :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy:
I know you're joking, but nah. DeMarco said on the Toonami faithful podcast they won't be airing that again, much less 4 times. It'll probably be something related thematically/content-wise to Space Dandy like Cowboy Bebop, though your guess is as good as mine as to what that is.
They should've squeezed in a little Outlaw Star in there.
Quote from: Foggle on December 15, 2013, 09:07:26 PM
An entire hour of King Star King!!! :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy:
Followed by a sneak preview of Kick-Heart: the series
Sweet. Bebop should have never been removed.
TOONAMI: SATURDAY, DECEMBER 14, 2013 (in total viewers)
12:00AM MOVIE: Summer Wars 0.9 HH, 1.362 million
2:30AM Fooly Cooly 0.6 HH, 845,000
3:00AM Star Wars Clone Wars 0.6 HH, 845,000
3:30AM Fullmetal: Brotherhood 0.5 HH, 714,000
4:00AM Ghost in the Shell 0.5 HH, 677,000
4:30AM IGPX: Immortal Grand Prix 0.5 HH, 639,000
5:00AM Inuyasha 0.5 HH, 708,000
5:30AM Inuyasha 0.5 HH, 703,000
:joy:
I never thought anything but Bleach would get those kind of ratings. And keep in mind, that's the average for the entire two and a half hours. The AVERAGE. The average for those two and a half hours normally would be only a little over a million, so Summer Wars' performance is incredibly exceptional. The fact that Fooly Cooly and Star Wars' numbers are so high after it (seriously, nearly 850,000 at 3am? That's unprecedented!) attest to how well it did.
I expect you are pleased, E-K. ;)
I'm glad to see that the film finally got the wide-spread exposure that it always deserved.
I wonder how they consider it an "average." :thinkin:
In any case, that's truly phenomenal.
Quote from: Cartoon X on December 15, 2013, 09:04:57 PMThough, I have to wonder what will really be airing between 2-3am, since Badlands would only be two hours with commercials. What surprises could they possibly have in store... :thinkin:
Two more episodes of Bebop. (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/adult-swim-toonami-forum/295042-toonami-news-discussion-thread-48.html#post4192235)
Ah. Well, at least they're good episodes, so I can dig it.
The newest Space Dandy trailer...featuring the dub cast! (http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/70750625173/space-dandy-world-premiere-jan-4th-at-11-30p)
Quote from: Cartoon X on December 09, 2013, 08:43:23 PMSamurai Jack will replace FLCL after it's current run. (http://podcast.toonamifaithful.com/toonami-faithful-podcast-74-a-month-of-interviews-featuring-jason-demarco/) Go to 1:48:30 for the proof.
Airing at 4AM? (http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/73518518428/new-line-up-announcement-starting-2-1-14) :shit:
I get that the show is old, but instead of directly placing it in
FLCL's slot (which I feel would be a better placement), they're bumping up
Naruto reruns for this.
If they were going to bump
Naruto, then at least put it at 3AM. Placing it after rerun-to-death
GitS:SAC and
Brotherhood as well is just rubbing salt on the wound.
EDIT: No promo, either. (https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/423880682687840256) Salt AND lemon juice on the wound.
That's beyond fucked up. Still not as bad as new YYH at the buttcrack of dawn though.
BOOM. Toonami is proud to announce our next acquisition, BLACK LAGOON! It?s time for some truly ADULT action to hit the block. BLACK LAGOON will begin airing on Saturday, March 22nd, replacing SOUL EATER, which will air its final episode the week before. For more info on the Black Lagoon, go here: http://www.funimation.com/shows/black-lagoon
And of course, we?ll see you on March 22nd, when the ass kicking begins!
WHOA!
Amen, Hallelujah, and peanut butter.
Wow. That seems like a pretty good acquisition.
Though, it does make me wonder if Blue Exorcist will get a bump to it's release date, since won't SAO end in mid February and the way Toonami crew was talking about it, I thought it was implied that BE was replacing SE.
FINALLY!
Quote from: Daxdiv on January 24, 2014, 03:55:07 PM
Though, it does make me wonder if Blue Exorcist will get a bump to it's release date, since won't SAO end in mid February and the way Toonami crew was talking about it, I thought it was implied that BE was replacing SE.
I think BE will be SAO's replacement. Otherwise what else will they air in that timeslot?
Sounds good! I was thinking about watching Black Lagoon. But I planned on watching Saint Seiya and maybe Fujiko so that should keep me occupied.
Hey, an acquisition you guys are happy with for once! :D
Though I would have preferred a newer show, like Psycho-Pass, Black Lagoon is one of my favorite anime so I'm ecstatic to see it being introduced to a mass audience. I hope they air Roberta's Blood Trail after they finish the Second Barrage as well.
Black Lagoon on Toonami? How will they make that work? It's a bit of a harsh show, after all.
The violence shouldn't be a problem since Deadman was fine at 12:30. Of course the f-bombs will be bleeped, but people honestly over exaggerate how much there is anyways.
Toonami bagged yet another great show. The block is "slowly" starting to pick up in quality.
Yaaaay I've been wanting to watch it. :joy:
Highlights from this month's Q&A:
QuoteQ: Jason mentioned on Twitter that you were getting the full Japanese Space Dandy opening. When do you think we would see that and will you replace the kanji credits with English ones?
A: Great question! We hope to have the Japanese open and close for Dandy up within a week or so. We MAY leave the kanji credits, we?re still working that out.
:joy:
QuoteQ: Toonami getting Black Lagoon is really nice i cant wait. My question is how edited will it be? Considering the blood and cursing but also things like the Twin's and things like that?
A: It will be as edited as AKIRA or Deadman Wonderland was. We?ll have as much as we can get away with.
QuoteQ: Are you guys considering airing any Satoshi Kon movies(like paprika and perfect blue)?
A: We absolutely adore Satoshi Kon, but we don?t think his work would really fit in on Toonami!
QuoteQ: A lot of people have asked this question so we thought we would pass it along: Is Blue Exorcist starting in March or the last Saturday in February?
A: Blue Exorcist is coming in March.
Uh...okay. So what airs at 2am on February 22nd? :thinkin:
QuoteQ: The goodies you make include promos, AMV's, tumblr Q&A's, game reviews, and speeches. Can you rank how difficult these are to produce, from hardest to easiest?
A: Hardest will always be the speeches. Then the music videos. The game reviews and Tumblr Q&A pieces are usually the easiest.
QuoteQ: The custom Toonami openings for Bleach and Naruto Shippuden are alright, but I would prefer to have shortened versions of the original openings. Is there any chance of those two shows switching over to shortened openings in the near future?
A:
For now, we?re just not showing the original openings for those shows rather than editing them down. We hate to chop up things like those opens that people cherish, so we?d rather just cut them. Anyone who wants to see them can find them online, untarnished. We?re trying to get the full open and close for Space Dandy, since it?s the first show on the block, and once we do, we?ll need the time we gained by losing the Bleacj and Naruto opens. Make sense? Sort of?
QuoteQ: So soul eater is not going to have a rerun?
A: Not right away, no.
So there's a possibility it might re-run? Hmm...
What makes TOM 5 an improved model over the previous TOMs?
Now we know the truth. (http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/74652338781/so-sara-has-a-new-os-does-it-do-anything-special-also)
Quote from: Cartoon X on January 26, 2014, 07:00:19 PM
QuoteQ: Jason mentioned on Twitter that you were getting the full Japanese Space Dandy opening. When do you think we would see that and will you replace the kanji credits with English ones?
A: Great question! We hope to have the Japanese open and close for Dandy up within a week or so. We MAY leave the kanji credits, we?re still working that out.
Very good. The OP and ED are excellent, and I'll be extremely happy to see them on Toonami.
QuoteUh...okay. So what airs at 2am on February 22nd? :thinkin:
King Star King. :joy:
Quote from: Foggle on January 26, 2014, 07:06:09 PM
Quote from: Cartoon X on January 26, 2014, 07:00:19 PM
Uh...okay. So what airs at 2am on February 22nd? :thinkin:
King Star King. :joy:
Only if Kickheart airs right after it. :happytime:
Wait, if they're cutting out OP's entirely, does that mean we won't be getting Red Fraction?
I'm not sure. Right now only Bleach and Naruto Shippuden have Toonami intros, so it might just be those two and those two alone. We'll just have to wait and see.
SPECIAL TOONAMI ANNOUNCEMENT!
On September 8th, 2000, TOM encountered a creature that changed the face of Toonami. In 2015 (date tbd), TOM and Sara will face that creature again.
Toonami is happy to announce THE INTRUDER: PART 2! Why are we telling you about this so early? Simple! WE NEED YOUR HELP. This weekend, we need every Toonami faithful to Tweet, FB post, Instagram, etc the hashtag, ?#intruder2.? The level of interest you guys show will determine how BIG the story we get to tell is. This adventure is in YOUR HANDS. Let us know if you?re excited for THE INTRUDER: PART 2 by posting about it, talking about it, and making your excitement known to the world! TOM and Sara are about to have their greatest adventure yet? and we promise, Toonami will not be the same.
DUN DUNNNNNN
Love, The Toonami Crew.
Huh, color me intrigued. It looks like this is the year that Toonami is winning my interest back.
Yeah, you can stop being cynical for no reason now.
Let's hope this TIE actually DOES change something about Toonami, which is why it was the best of the TIEs. Lockdown and TiH did nothing to change the block. The Intruder gave us a new TOM and a new wing for the Absolution.
Wow, Toonami has come a LONG way. Even though I can't say that I like everything on the lineup, I believe this Toonami is probably the strongest incarnation of the block since 2000. I mean, it's 6.5 hours long (and might become 7 before the end of the year), is airing a world premiere anime, has new bumpers and/or goodies out weekly, a varied lineup that generally caters to multiple people's interests, and on top of that a new TIE event after, what, 13 years and one that actually promises to be as good as the first? And think about it. When the block came back less than two years ago the lineup was only three hours long, under-budgeted, and only played ASA leftovers and "premiered" mid-2000's FUNimation series. It's only been a year and a half since then. The rate of growth from those days is astonishing, and the revived Toonami is proving to be a much better programming block than it was back ten years ago, and is looking to stay strong for a considerable while.
Anyways, I'm excited to see the TIE. I hope it really is a game-changer like they promise.
Never thought in a million years they'd do Intruder Part 2. Should be cool.
Looks like Lord Dolmus was off by eight years.
The original Intruder is what made me a Toonami fan. :joy:
See how #intruder2 did on Twitter. (http://toonamifaithful.com/toonami-trending-rundown-for-february-8-9-2014)
Oh, that was this week?
Quote from: Avaitor on February 10, 2014, 11:18:48 AMOh, that was this week?
Just the trending, which Toonami called for. The more trending it got, the bigger the event would be.
It premieres next year.
Blue Exorcist starting at 1:30, with Soul Eater moving to 2:00 AM. Guess Black Lagoon will go to 2 AM.
That's what I figured. Black Lagoon is the older show, so it makes sense for it to be at 2am while Blue Exorcist, which is newer, gets 1:30.
Another month, another tumblr Q&A.
QuoteQ. Why air Black Lagoon when it will be censored to hell?
A. It won?t be. We can?t use the ?eff? word but there?s very little else that will have to be censored from Black Lagoon.
QuoteQ. Is there going to be another Movie month? if so when would it be?
A. There won?t be another movie month for a while. We will definitely air movies again, though! Be on the lookout.
QuoteQ. Will Space Dandy have a second go at 1130 when it finishes it's first run in a few weeks?
A. Probably, but it?s not set in stone. We?ll keep you posted!
QuoteQ. You guys planning on doing any more PC game reviews?
A. We?re apple folk, for the most part, so it?s typically going to be consoles, and every now and then a game that?s on mac.
QuoteQ. TOM use to do game reviews, is he going to do anymore? Also who plays the games exactly?
A. Have you been watching toonami? We just did a game review for Dead Rising 3 last week. Gill, Jason or Dennis usually play the games being reviewed.
QuoteQ. Do you only have the first season of Black Lagoon, or do you also have The Second Barrage and/or Robert's Blood Trail?
A. We will be airing the first and second seasons of Black Lagoon. We won?t be airing the OVA, at least for now!
Ah. Well, hopefully that changes and they air
Blood Trail soon as
Second Barrage is over with.
QuoteQ. How does one send music to the crew for a possible addition onto the block?
A. You can submit music by sending a link to Jason DeMarco?s twitter account: @clarknova1. Thanks!
QuoteQ. So is the Space Dandy intro changed forever now? Not only did I like the other one better, but now the episode previews are gone since it's longer! I'm pretty disappointed, although I know you had a lot of people complaining about you not showing the Japanese intro.
A. The episode previews shouldn?t have been removed that was a mistake. (spoiler alert - not ours) Hopefully we should have all of this worked out around 2019.
Oh. Well, hopefully they can rectify that blunder next week.
QuoteQ. Where's Sword-Art tonight?
A. Sword Art went to go live on a farm. There?s a stream to drink from, and a big field, and Sword Art just runs and runs and runs all day.
QuoteQ. Why don't you take risks and air non world premiere shows like dbz?
A. Airing DBZ would hardly be called a ?risk? by any stretch of the imagination, anon.
QuoteQ. You guys post a pic from the original Dragon Ball a while back. Any chance we'd get that in lieu of DBZ? Apologies if you've got this one before.
A. No Dragon Ball or DBZ for now, sorry.
Only "for now?" Looks like they're starting to crack under pressure.
QuoteQ. Since adult swim is moving up an hour would Toonami move up an hour as well?
A. There are no plans for that at present.
QuoteQ. what are you guys' favorite pokemon and why is it pidgeot?
A. GENGAR!
QuoteQ. Will Clone Wars going to Netflix affect it's status on the block?
A. we haven?t heard anything in that regard!
QuoteQ. Do you plan on keeping the Japanese intro, or do you want to bring the American one back?
A. You?ll see the American intro again, after a while!
Guess they won't be replacing it for the reruns. Darn.
When will Black Lagoon air?
Quote from: gunswordfist on February 23, 2014, 05:06:36 PMWhen will Black Lagoon air?
Presumably, March 22 to replace
Soul Eater.However, there's a bit of a problem with that: Daylight Savings begins on March 9, which would skip over
SE's time slot for that week. We'll have to see what happens.
Yeah...we now know what the lineup is looking like on DST. Like I expected, the 3am hour is getting cut instead of the 2am hour. What I didn't expect is that Toonami's losing a show. A big one at that...
Quote
INUYASHA IS LEAVING, SYMBIONIC IT RETURNING, DST LINE UP!
Sorry for the short notice, but we?re losing the rights to Inuyasha after this weekend, so starting Saturday 3/8 we?re replacing it with Symbionic Titan at 5:30a. Also Daylight Saving Time is 3/8, so we?re losing one hour JUST FOR THAT NIGHT. Soul Eater will not be affected, so Black Lagoon is still set to premiere on 3/22. GITS and FMAB will return as regularly scheduled on 3/15.
March 8th Line up will be -
Space Dandy
Bleach
Shippuden
One Piece
Blue Exorcist
Soul Eater
Uncut Naruto
Samurai Jack
IGPX
SWCW
Symbionic-Titan
...[adult swim] is actually losing the rights to
InuYasha. Well, I'll be damned. Unlike
Bebop, I don't really expect it to come back. It had a good 12.5 year run, and even though it still manages ridiculously good ratings it needs retirement. Plus, I don't like the show, so....y'know, I'm not exactly mad, though it IS kinda sad that it won't even get to finish it's current run before it's gone. Well, hopefully it goes out on a decent ep...
"Don't Boil it! The Terrifying Dried-Up Demon!"
...okay now THAT's just sad. :lol:
I have the striking suspicion that the Toonami crew just realized
InuYasha was expiring. I mean...
1) They've said before that they didn't want to burn through the show...which wouldn't make sense if they knew they wouldn't have it for long.
2) They would've announced this before the Q&A like previous timely schedule changes and
3) It makes no sense to make a lineup promo with
InuYasha in it if it's going to be gone in two weeks. It would've have made way more sense to just ditch it early and have added in
Sym-Bionic Titan in last week alongside
Blue Exorcist. With all these schedule changes they are creating unnecessary work and hassle for themselves.
In any case, seeing
Titan back on the lineup reminds me that Toonami now has one less rerun option to use.
Big O season 2 and
FLCL are the only shows they have that aren't airing now that they can still use to add in to the lineup, and those shows can only be used limitedly before they wear out their welcome. I'd like them to at least add in
Secret Saturdays and
Generator Rex to the rotations. Those should be free and they'd freshen things up, and it's always good to have more good american animation on the block. I would rather have DC animated shows, though, but I'm pretty sure CN doesn't have the rights to most of those anymore and [adult swim] probably won't spend money getting them back for Toonami.
The one DC show that CN DOES still have that Toonami could air would be
Beware the Batman. It probably has a two-year contract so it shouldn't expire until next July, so there's still ample time to add it on. CN clearly does not want to air it, so they might as well allow Toonami to have it. I would really be happy with that.
A small part of me wanted to check out Inuyasha again but I'm glad Titan is back. I'd actually watch that. I wonder if Netflix has it.
Losing Inuyasha this early was the last thing I was expecting to happen to Toonami this year. I really thought they'd go for a full run, especially since it consistently did better at 5:30 than 5:00 (surprisingly). When they reduced it to a half-hour, I thought Toonami was doing that to flesh it out for the whole year; they had 49 episodes left by the end of 2013.
Good call on replacing it with SBT as an emergency backup.
Quote from: gunswordfist on February 25, 2014, 05:21:29 PM
A small part of me wanted to check out Inuyasha again
Don't ever bother with the anime. Read the manga.
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I'm glad Titan is back. I'd actually watch that. I wonder if Netflix has it.
Unfortunately, it's not on Netflix. It is on [adult swim] video, though.
Have I mentioned that Cartoon Network's Netflix additions have been a total waste?
So few of the shows that they added up have their full runs, and they haven't updated anything since they came on. You'd think that Titan could make it on easy with only one season, but nada.
I appreciate what they do have on there, though I definitely would like to see all of Billy and Mandy and Cow and Chicken put up. As far as updates go, I'd expect them sometime during the next two months, since it'll have been a year since they were put up in the first place and I'm assuming CN will add stuff as they renew their contract with Netflix (as other companies have done with their shows in the past).
The lack of Titan is odd considering even poorly performed shows like Problem Solverz and Secret Mountain Fort Awesome were added. I somehow doubt they'll ever put it on, at least not under the Cartoon Network name (now as an [adult swim] property, maybe).
Quote from: Avaitor on February 25, 2014, 09:19:18 PM
Have I mentioned that Cartoon Network's Netflix additions have been a total waste?
So few of the shows that they added up have their full runs, and they haven't updated anything since they came on. You'd think that Titan could make it on easy with only one season, but nada.
Oh right. :srs: Shoulda know betta.
Yeah its that time again...
TOONAMI FROM HEAVEN 2K15 EDITION V1.0
11.5: Attack On Titan
12.0: JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
12.5: Kill la Kill
01.0: Nobunagun
01.5: Magi
02.0: Jormungand
02.5: Psycho-Pass
03.0: Full Metal Panic!
03.5: Last Exile
04.0: Black Lagoon
04.5: Cowboy Bebop HD Remaster
05.0: Macross
05.5: Gatchaman
Well, if we're doing this again, I'd say my dream Toonami 2015 lineup right now'd be:
11.5 Hunter X Hunter (2011) (it irritates me that this hasn't been licensed yet)
12.0 JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (hey, I can dream, right?)
12.5 Kill la Kill (this has a chance of happening, at least I hope so)
1.0 InuYasha: The Final Act (air this already goddamit)
1.5 Magi (they should have gotten this instead of meh exorcist)
2.0 Psycho-Pass (this better happen at some point)
2.5 Tiger and Bunny (I'm flabbergasted why they haven't aired this yet)
3.0 Gurren Lagann (how awesome would it be to have GL and KLK in the same lineup?)
3.5 Black Lagoon (I hope this reruns)
4.0 Cowboy Bebop (this will come back)
4.5 Space Dandy (this has to rerun)
5.0 Beware the Batman (this show really should have gotten better treatment from CN)
5.5 The Secret Saturdays (if Jack can air, why not this. Do it, DeMarco!)
My nagging realism prevents me from putting any "new" shows past 3am, but my optimism hopes for BL and SD to rerun, at least.
So, Toonami just debuted a new format and some new animations tonight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWMZ488JM1A
Personally, I'm not really digging this one. The bumps feel more like screensavers or stock PowerPoint backgrounds, and the typeface is rather lame. Maybe I'm just used to their creative and flashy sci-fi-ish fonts over the years, but this doesn't look too interesting.
Eh, I kind of like the new look, though it does feel rather plain compared to the previous one. But I'll agree that the font is rather uninteresting compared to just about any of the previous ones.
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg4.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20140406035055%2Ftoonami%2Fimages%2Fthumb%2Fc%2Fcc%2FToonami_Open_04-05-14%2F330px-Toonami_Open_04-05-14.jpg&hash=09ae9a9f432bf31409e977dc8d19dad3a675f4f9)
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SEPARATED AT BIRTH?!?
Walls have been breached. (https://twitter.com/FUNimation/status/455166513390305280)
God help us, the day of reckoning has come.
Quote from: Rosalinas Spare Wand on April 12, 2014, 09:17:32 PM
God help us, the day of reckoning has come.
The tears have already begun to fall.
Oh good, they got the phenomenon that is not only by far the most popular anime of the last few years but a guaranteed ratings and commercial hit as well. I'll watch it time to time for the dub, depending on when they air it. Still rather they air something I actually care about, like Psycho-Pass, though. :humhumhum:
Oh, here's the schedule starting May 3rd, by the way:
11:30 Attack on Titan
12:00 Bleach
12:30 Space Dandy
1:00 Naruto: Shippuden
1:30 One Piece
2:00 Blue Exorcist
2:30 Black Lagoon
3:00 Naruto
3:30 GITS
4:00 FMAB
4:30 Samurai Jack
5:00 SWCW
5:30 Sym?bionic Titan
Aw, no more OP at 1. That seemed like such a perfect time for it. But the real thing that worries me a bit is Dandy at 12:30, after Bleach. I'd rather it air at 12, for obvious reasons. Hopefully when new episodes return, they'll move it up a slot, or move it back to 11:30, giving Titan 12 instead.
Titan airing at 11:30 proves that they know how big the show is, so nice to know they are still in the know, I guess.
Space Dandy does not appeal to fujoshi or shounen fanboys like Attack on Titan does, and Bleach is somehow still incredibly popular in the US, so Dandy will probably remain at 12:30.
Quote from: Cartoon X on April 12, 2014, 09:29:55 PM
5:00 SWCW
For a second I thought they had acquired the rights to air old WCW Saturday episodes before realizing it stands for Star Bores.
If I was in charge of Toonami, I'd air the entire first season of Ro-Kyu-Bu! (OVA included) on April Fools' Day just to see the audience's reaction.
Quote from: Foggle on April 12, 2014, 09:49:25 PM
If I was in charge of Toonami, I'd air the entire first season of Ro-Kyu-Bu! (OVA included) on April Fools' Day just to see how the audience's reaction.
But then, you'll get fined by the FCC.
Quote from: Foggle on April 12, 2014, 09:41:00 PM
Space Dandy does not appeal to fujoshi or shounen fanboys like Attack on Titan does, and Bleach is somehow still incredibly popular in the US, so Dandy will probably remain at 12:30.
Dandy did well in it's slot and did consistently get higher ratings than
Bleach, and I think the crew likes it more too, so, I dunno, I think it has a shot at moving up when the premieres resume.
But it does annoy me off a bit that
Bleach still gets good ratings. The anime got canceled in Japan because of poor ratings, the manga consistently ranks near the bottom of modern Jump rankings and sells increasingly less and less. And yet, it's as popular as ever in the U.S. Meh. I will be glad to see it leave the airwaves after this year, I tell you what.
Quote from: Foggle on April 12, 2014, 09:49:25 PM
If I was in charge of Toonami, I'd air the entire first season of Ro-Kyu-Bu! (OVA included) on April Fools' Day just to see the audience's reaction.
Gonna have to wait a while for that, since Toonami won't air on April Fools Day for a couple more years. :D
Yeah, it might end up preempting Bleach, but I don't think it has a chance of taking its slot back from Titan.
On that day, Toonami was given a grim reminder... They still had to air Bleach afterwords.
I didn't even know that Bleach was cancelled.
Quote from: Avaitor on April 12, 2014, 11:26:29 PM
I didn't even know that Bleach was cancelled.
That's what I came to say. Also that and lol and I had no clue it was tanking in Japan and lol.
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Quote from: Avaitor on April 12, 2014, 11:26:29 PM
I didn't even know that Bleach was cancelled.
That's what I came to say. Also that and lol and I had no clue it was tanking in Japan and lol.
Welcome to three years ago.
Well I knew that Bleach wasn't as popular in Japan, or hasn't been for a long time.
But I've never seen the show or read the manga before, I only take what I hear about it from you guys, which explains why I didn't know that the anime ended.
I haven't watched Bleach in like 5 years. This thread is pretty much the only place I hear about the show.
Quote from: RacattackForce on April 12, 2014, 11:48:41 PM
Quote from: gunswordfist on April 12, 2014, 11:28:03 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on April 12, 2014, 11:26:29 PM
I didn't even know that Bleach was cancelled.
That's what I came to say. Also that and lol and I had no clue it was tanking in Japan and lol.
Welcome to three years ago.
Technically, Bleach has been off Japanese airwaves for 2 years, but whose really counting? :P All I remember was it being replaced by that goofy Rock Lee spin-off that ran for a year. I still wonder if Pierrot will come back and wrap up the Bleach anime sometime after Kubo finishes the manga, which should be soon considering this is supposed to be the final arc.
Even though it's on it's final arc, it could be years until Bleach finishes, what with Kubo's shit pacing and everything.
And I kinda doubt another anime will be made. The series consistently ranks in the bottom 6 in most Jump rankings these days, though never low enough to get it axed anytime soon, like Kochikame. I think it's safe to say that it's time in the spotlight has far passed.
I like to think the fact that the reason that Bleach has strong sales is because it's been on TV for so long. Once it ends, the sales will taper off.
So pretty much, the InuYasha factor.
Quote from: Daxdiv on April 13, 2014, 01:20:39 AM
Quote from: RacattackForce on April 12, 2014, 11:48:41 PM
Quote from: gunswordfist on April 12, 2014, 11:28:03 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on April 12, 2014, 11:26:29 PM
I didn't even know that Bleach was cancelled.
That's what I came to say. Also that and lol and I had no clue it was tanking in Japan and lol.
Welcome to three years ago.
Technically, Bleach has been off Japanese airwaves for 2 years, but whose really counting? :P All I remember was it being replaced by that goofy Rock Lee spin-off that ran for a year. I still wonder if Pierrot will come back and wrap up the Bleach anime sometime after Kubo finishes the manga, which should be soon considering this is supposed to be the final arc.
Jeez, really?!
Edit: Silly enough, I didn't even know Shonen Jump series could get canceled. :D
Starting May 10th
11:30 ? Attack on Titan
12:00 ? Bleach
12:30 ? Space Dandy
1:00 ? Naruto: Shippuden
1:30 ? One Piece
2:00 ? Blue Exorcist
2:30 ? Black Lagoon
3:00 ? Beware the Batman
3:30 ? Naruto
4:00 ? FMAB
4:30 ? Samurai Jack
5:00 ? SWCW
5:30 - Sym?bionic Titan
Well that's happening. A year or so ago, DC put the kibosh on Young Justice or Green Lantern ever airing on Toonami, but now BTB is a-okay. And yep, it's beyond dead now.
Well, at least Beware the Batman has another shot at completing it's 26 episode order.
It was pretty obvious that CN did not care about the series anyway, so I'm really, really glad to see it find a new home on Toonami. This actually gives me incentive to watch the block again in the interim before Dandy's return. It's also exciting to think how, once they get to episode 12, they'll be airing premiere episodes of the show, the first time Toonami has aired premieres of a western action show since the revival and probably one of the only times it will for the foreseeable future. That's pretty damn awesome. But really, BtB is a underrated show that really deserved better than how CN treated it, and I'm just glad to see it back on the air, and able to air it's full 26 episode run.
At 3am? Ouch.
Yeah, it's done.
Quote from: Daxdiv on April 16, 2014, 06:17:25 PMWell, at least Beware the Batman has another shot at completing it's 26 episode order.
Confirmed. (https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/statuses/456570668268531713)
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 16, 2014, 06:56:17 PM
At 3am? Ouch.
Well, that's the only open premiere slot after
Black Lagoon.
Again...the writing was on the wall for a while now. Everyone knew it was done for by the time they released first half of the show released on dvd with two unaired episodes on it. The important thing here is that at least it'll get to air it's full 26 episode order, which should tell a satisfyingly complete storyline if how GL:TAS went was any indication. This is far more preferable than the show never airing on tv again, or doomed to release it's last 13 episodes direct to dvd. So :bleh:
Beware the Breadroll? Whatever...
It's time once again to list the highlights of this month's Toonami Tumblr Q&A:
QuoteQ: Since Attack on Titan is going to air in May, what are the most requested shows to be on the toonami block now?
A: DBZ, Kill La Kill, Hunter X Hunter, Sailor Moon and Jojo?s are the top requests lately.
Cool. I really, really hope that interest in HXH and JJBA helps them get licensed and a deal for a Toonami broadcast. Same with
Sailor Moon Crystal if it turns out good. And as for KLK, hopefully that can replace
Blue Exorcist when the time comes in September.
QuoteQ: Are you guys going to put the full AOT opening?
A: The first show on the block will always have its open, so yes.
QuoteQ: Any new information on the total immersion event?
A: Hmm if you come to Momocon you might find out a little more?
QuoteQ:Do you guys see yourself obtaining the 11pm anytime soon, or this year rather?
A: We?re gonna stick with the bottom 1/2 half of the hour.
Daw, they could really use an extra half hour now. Perhaps
Titan will change the game on that front.
Quote
Q: I believe the "Why aren't Jack and Naruto in their original format?" question refers to them being aired in widescreen, rather than the 4:3 they were produced in.
A: Oh, that?s a larger broadcast question that has nothing to do with us, that?s about AS running in HD and how things are converted for air.
QuoteQ: Who runs this blog outside of Q&A sessions, someone from the marketing team?
A: No, the staff of Toonami runs the blog. Mostly Jason and Gill.
QuoteQ: what was your first anime that u guys ever watch and enjoy.
A:Jason: Star Blazers, Force Five, Battle of the Planets
GIll: Star Blazers, Voltron, Battle of the Planets
QuoteQ: I'm not trying to sound rude, but how did you guys not notice Inuyasha was about to end until a week before it did?
A: It was something our lawyers notified us of, and we had no idea there was a set end date coming up. We took over Toonami years after that deal had been made. We never like to do something like that.
Quote
Q: I remember you guys said Young Justice couldn't air on Toonami because it was a DC Comics show, but now we're getting Beware the Batman. Does this mean DC has decided to see if their shows will work on Toonami, or is this similar to ThunderCats where it's free to air until the rights expire?
A: It?s a different thing than the other shows.
QuoteQ: Can you guys tell us all the staff at Toonami and what each person does? Love you guys :]
A: Jason- writes promos, works on programming, makes major decisions for block.
Chris- runs production, makes sure everything gets done on time and on budget, makes schedule for? everything.
Gill- writes promos, works on programming, works with Chris to set production schedule.
Sara- Editor
Jonny- Editor
Dave- Editor
Brent- mixes every single piece of audio in the block
Dennis- writes promos and game reviews
Quote
Q:Do you think that since Netflix has the rights to air season 6 of Star Wars: The Clone Wars, there is a low chance the season will air on the block?
A:We don?t anticipate that we?ll be airing season 6 of Clone Wars on Toonami, sorry!
Hmm, BTB is different, how? I'm curious.
A few guys on the internet's demand for something (especially the face of past failure) =|= We feel willing to try again.
So I felt a CriterionForum style breakdown of what's coming and what's not was in order.
CONFIRMED FORTHCOMING SHOWS:
Attack on Titan (announced on a bump, airs Saturday)
Beware The Batman (airs May 10)
Space Dandy Season Two (tentatively July 5)
DISTINCT POSSIBILITIES
Magi - The Labyrinth of Magic: Rumored on ASMB, Season 2 to be dubbed this summer.
Sword Art Online II: Season 1 already aired on Toonami to decent ratings.
Kill La Kill: Heavily requested, dub not yet announced.
Fate/Zero: Heavily requested, dub aired on Neon Alley.
Durarara: First series aired on ASA (where it kinda failed).
Danganronpa The Animation: Was floated around when show was airing last summer.
Psycho-Pass: Upcoming second season may influence a decision on this.
Jormungand: Possible replacement for Black Lagoon.
STALLED EX-CERTAINTIES
Puella Magi Madoka Magica: Rumored to be passed on by Williams Street.
Tiger & Bunny: Allegedly not offered by Viz.
Valvrave The Liberator: Rumored to be released sub only due to poor Japanese performance
Young Justice: Contractual reasons.
Sailor Moon Franchise: Unlicensed
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Unlicensed
Hunter x Hunter (2011 series): Unlicensed
Sentai Filmworks Catalog: While the relationship between WS and Section 31 is not as icy as one was led to believe, there has been little to no demand for specific Sentai licences to air on Toonami.
I wish Viz would just hit up the HXH 2K11 license already, but their "once a bomb, always a bomb" mentality proves that they probably won't, since the original didn't sell much.
Then again, Viz just sucks.
Quote from: Lord Dalek on April 28, 2014, 06:58:58 PM
Tiger & Bunny: Allegedly not offered by Viz.
This isn't true. I listened to a podcast with a Viz rep on ANN last summer (the same podcast that confirmed they dropped their rights to the
Monster anime), and they said they offered the series to [adult swim] as well as other networks several times, but they've never shown any interest as of yet. Now, I'd like to think that the series is just a low-priority for the Toonami crew compared to other titles, and that they will eventually air it when a spot opens up, but that doesn't look to be happening anytime soon.
Quote from: Lord Dalek on April 28, 2014, 06:58:58 PM
Puella Magi Madoka Magica: Rumored to be passed on by Williams Street.
That's a shame, but I believe
Soul Eater was passed on before, but they changed their mind about that, so if they have a change of heart (unlikely, but possible), then it could be plausible.
Quote from: Lord Dalek on April 28, 2014, 06:58:58 PM
Magi - The Labyrinth of Magic: Rumored on ASMB, Season 2 to be dubbed this summer.
Rumors float around the ASMB all the time, so I wouldn't put stock in them. But, I do think it's a possible candidate to replace BE if they don't pick up KLK first, for some reason.
Quote from: Avaitor on April 28, 2014, 07:09:51 PM
I wish Viz would just hit up the HXH 2K11 license already, but their "once a bomb, always a bomb" mentality proves that they probably won't, since the original didn't sell much.
Then again, Viz just sucks.
I dunno, they are simulcasting the manga in Shonen Jump Alpha when the series resumes serialization this June, so they are clearly aware of it's popularity.
Anyway, I'd rather FUNi get it, myself, since they already have the anime adaptions of Togashi's other works, so it'd be kinda nice for them to have all three.
And as for the "Viz sucks" thing...their
Ranma 1/2 blu ray release is incredible, better than anything Funi has ever put out, and it's clear it's they really put a lot of effort and love into it as well as their re-release of the manga. So, y'know, I can't really agree with that statement in terms of them "completely" sucking. :P
The Ranma sets are looking good, but I'll jump off the "Viz sucks" bandwagon when they try the Monster anime again.
But the thing is...what's different now that justifies giving the Monster anime another chance? With Hunter X Hunter (2011), it's a different show, and it's been proven to do well with audiences on Crunchyroll, and is one of it's highest streamed series. It's a new show, there's a clear audience, there should be enough noticeable potential there to justify licensing the show. But the Monster anime isn't in the same situation. The whole reason they didn't release it all on dvd before is because the first set sold terribly. I fail to see how that's Viz's fault. And why would it suddenly sell more now? It's not like they didn't try to give the series as much exposure as possible before. It aired on tv, it was available for free on Hulu for years. What more could've been done, and what could be done now to make a release of the anime a successful venture for them? And according to them, they tried; that podcast I mentioned before said that they really wanted the series to become a success, but it didn't work out and they couldn't justify future dvd releases. Dropping the liscence to the series was something they also regretted doing, but since they couldn't do anything with it as it was, they didn't have much of a choice. It's a sad situation, but it's also an understandable one, and Viz is a business. It's not a good thing, but I find it hard to hold a grudge against Viz for the Monster anime's situation this time. Unlike HXH 1999, they gave that series a great dub and lots of exposure. If anything, it's peoples' fault for not buying the dvd release in the first place. And unless the Monster anime suddenly grows incredibly popular and is a guaranteed commercial hit to them, they don't have a reason to re-license the series. At this point, I'm just glad they are giving the manga omnibus releases'. :??:
On a tangent, I wonder if Nozomi will license rescue Monster sometime. It seems like a title they'd go for.
Crunchy is an international site, its hard to gauge what's popular there because your broadcasting to a global audience and that skews the actual figures. From Viz's perspective they have a manga that is one of their biggest flops (don't argue, I've checked) with an adaptation that already bombed once. Its therefore hard to get behind the next adaptation.
Quote from: Cartoon X on April 28, 2014, 07:48:05 PM
But the thing is...what's different now that justifies giving the Monster anime another chance? With Hunter X Hunter (2011), it's a different show, and it's been proven to do well with audiences on Crunchyroll, and is one of it's highest streamed series. It's a new show, there's a clear audience, there should be enough noticeable potential there to justify licensing the show. But the Monster anime isn't in the same situation. The whole reason they didn't release it all on dvd before is because the first set sold terribly. I fail to see how that's Viz's fault. And why would it suddenly sell more now? It's not like they didn't try to give the series as much exposure as possible before. It aired on tv, it was available for free on Hulu for years. What more could've been done, and what could be done now to make a release of the anime a successful venture for them? And according to them, they tried; that podcast I mentioned before said that they really wanted the series to become a success, but it didn't work out and they couldn't justify future dvd releases. Dropping the liscence to the series was something they also regretted doing, but since they couldn't do anything with it as it was, they didn't have much of a choice. It's a sad situation, but it's also an understandable one, and Viz is a business. It's not a good thing, but I find it hard to hold a grudge against Viz for the Monster anime's situation this time. Unlike HXH 1999, they gave that series a great dub and lots of exposure. If anything, it's peoples' fault for not buying the dvd release in the first place. And unless the Monster anime suddenly grows incredibly popular and is a guaranteed commercial hit to them, they don't have a reason to re-license the series. At this point, I'm just glad they are giving the manga omnibus releases'. :??:
I don't really have an counter-argument. I just like Monster, and I wish that it did better over here.
Quote from: Lord Dalek on April 28, 2014, 08:11:45 PM
Crunchy is an international site, its hard to gauge what's popular there because your broadcasting to a global audience and that skews the actual figures. From Viz's perspective they have a manga that is one of their biggest flops (don't argue, I've checked) with an adaptation that already bombed once. Its therefore hard to get behind the next adaptation.
I don't know if you can call the manga one of their biggest flops. They still release it, unlike Gintama, Bobobo, Oishinbo, etc, and the only reason they would is because it makes back its worth. Not every thing can sell like Naruto or Bleach, and the series' success can't be labeled as zip just because of that. Furthermore, I find it hard to believe they'd care to add the series to their digital Shonen Jump if they didn't think it'd be worth it.
As for the Crunchyroll stuff, though, you're right, and overall I can't disagree with your point why they would be hesitant to pick it up. I still believe that stuff like Viz simul releasing the new HXH chapters in their Jump in June is an acknowledgement of its popularity, though, and that gives me hope, though time will tell if that ends up being unrequited.
Quote from: Lord Dalek on April 28, 2014, 06:58:58 PM
Kill La Kill: Heavily requested, dub not yet announced.
The UK home video release is reportedly happening later this year, so it's either going to be dubbed quickly or not at all.
Quote from: Cartoon X on April 28, 2014, 08:33:25 PM
I don't know if you can call the manga one of their biggest flops. They still release it, unlike Gintama, Bobobo, Oishinbo, etc, and the only reason they would is because it makes back its worth.
They also released all of Excel Saga, which was almost certainly hemorrhaging money every time they put out a new volume.
Quote from: Foggle on April 28, 2014, 10:36:56 PM
They also released all of Excel Saga, which was almost certainly hemorrhaging money every time they put out a new volume.
Maybe, but somehow I kind of doubt it. Breaking even seems more likely to me that them losing money on every volume. Then again, Viz did release all 20 volumes of
Firefighter, which only ever sold 2000 copies TOTAL...and they've gone and given it digital releases now, so, it's true Viz can be weird with how much they are willing to comit to a series despite a poor performance. :sweat:
Cooler's Revenge to air on May 24th (http://funimation.tumblr.com/post/84527815207/for-all-you-toonami-watchers-weve-got-some)
Well, for the people bitching about wanting DBZ on the block again, you got your wish. :>
Cooler's Revenge is pretty good. :)
Meh. I was expecting them to air Z movies at some point, but I really hoped they wouldn't.
Cooler's Revenge is a typical lame Z movie. However, I admit the novelty of seeing It air on the block might be enough for me to still watch it. I mean, it 's still better than Bleach, at least.
Personally, I prefer TFS's version of that movie. :humhumhum:
I prefer TFS's version of anything over the actual Z anime and films. :awesome:
Meh. This movie already aired 11 years ago.
It would've been nice if they'd picked a movie they haven't aired it. Oh, well.
What's the point of this, anyway? Wouldn't that just delay Space Dandy for another week?
Quote from: Daikun on May 03, 2014, 02:16:32 AM
What's the point of this, anyway? Wouldn't that just delay Space Dandy for another week?
They don't have to rerun all of Dandy season 1 before airing season 2.
I assume this is happening either to celebrate the 2-year anniversary of the block's return by throwing all those DBZ fans a bone here, or because they are expecting a delay for more Bleach episodes and needed something short but ratings-grabbing to buy time for a week.
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F24.media.tumblr.com%2F63a97fc6d3a8c5266a69a3d1e2f4785f%2Ftumblr_n0hzqepHmP1rexi11o1_1280.jpg&hash=99abfa781f9fa4e0316de252d4b478af378867b6)
So Remember the Titans is airing in 19 minutes.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!
Seriously, I laughed my ass off. Of course they'd cut Titan's opening! Everyone's pissed off reactions on Twitter were priceless. :lol:
Seeing everyone get excited about Titan on Twitter gives me a grim reminder that I am completely apathetic about the series as a whole. It does nothing for me, good or bad.
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi3.kym-cdn.com%2Fphotos%2Fimages%2Fnewsfeed%2F000%2F641%2F238%2Fb99.jpg&hash=ce89772af7ba76dab802531730079511263ad048)
Wait, it premiered tonight? Welp, fuck, I missed that.
And I'm so sick of people bitching about OP/ED's or whatever they're called being cut. Watch the show for the show, guys, not for that.
If anything, I think most people are pissed due to Jason saying that the first show will never have it's opening cut and that promise being broken than anything. It's more of a matter of FUNi giving them a shorter ending, like they have with all their other shows. After all, took a while for Space Dandy to get it's full opening.
As for Titan, every time I watch this, I still think of The Walking Dead and other survival horror stories.
Even JDM is pissed off at the shortened intro!
https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/462800121437356032
https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/462800273074049024
https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/462804130973503488
https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/462804302990290944
https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/462805295178477568
I thought Remember The Titans was a Denzel Washington movie?!
DC Nation shorts airing on Toonami this Saturday! (https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/464515078449299457)
Specifically, it's the first 75th anniversary Batman short, "Strange Days" by Bruce Timm.
I approve.
Oh, and DeMarco confirms that the full opening for Attack on Titan will air on Toonami starting this saturday. (https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/464527340127928323)
He made more than one short?
No, I just worded that incorrectly. :P
:'( Got my hopes up for no reasons.
That is the weirdest Wind in the Willows adaptation I've ever seen.
I feel incited...
Otak-oonami (FROM HELL) Schedule Summer 2014
11:30 - Arpeggio of Blue Steel: ARS Nova
12:00 - Medaka Box
12:30 - Irregular at Magic High School
01:00 - Infinite Stratos
01:30 - Date-A-Live
02:00 - Ro-Kyu-Bu
02:30 - Sword Art Online II
03:00 - Strike Witches
03:30 - Monogatari Series
04:00 - Outbreak Company
04:30 - GJ-Bu
05:00 - Powerpuff Girls Z
05:30 - The Pet Girl of Sakurasou
SUB ONLY, ENGLISH ON SAP, FINAL DESTINATION.
What's wrong with Legend of the Galactic Heroes? ???
EDIT: So you've gone and replaced it I see. Why'd you even list it in the first place?
Quote from: Cartoon X on May 11, 2014, 04:29:43 PM
What's wrong with Legend of the Galactic Heroes? ???
EDIT: So you've gone and replaced it I see. Why'd you even list it in the first place?
It's his way of ribbing me for being a LOGH fan. Just a joke though. Nothing troublesome.
My new fantasy schedule:
11:30- Hunter X Hunter (2011)
12:00- Kill La Kill
12:30- Space Dandy
1:00- Magi (seasons 1 and 2)
1:30- Madoka Magica
2:00- Lupin III: The Woman Called Fujiko Mine
2:30- Black Lagoon (both seasons and OVAs)
3:00- Fate/Zero
3:30- One Piece
4:00 Dragon Ball
4:30- Yu Yu Hakusho
The last hour is for old-school anime, but I tried to keep everything else as something relatively recent for the most part (as in at least less than 10 years old).
As a change of pace, I will make a fantasy schedule entirely comprised of anime that DO NOT EXIST (yet, or anytime soon).
11:30 - One-Punch Man
12:00 - Excel Saga (remake that actually adapts the manga)
12:30 - The Legend of Koizumi
1:00 - Vinland Saga
1:30 - Berserk (remake that adapts the manga and is actually well-animated)
2:00 - Rurouni Kenshin (remake or at least an adaption of the Revenge arc)
2:30 - Trigun Maximum
3:00 - 20th Century Boys
3:30 - Pluto
4:00 - Ashita no Joe (remake that adapts the full manga)
4:30 - Lone Wolf and Cub
5:00 - Animal Land
5:30 - Ranma 1/2 (remake or at least adapts the parts of the manga that haven't been animated yet)
Quote from: Cartoon X on May 11, 2014, 07:34:52 PM
As a change of pace, I will make a fantasy schedule entirely comprised of anime that DO NOT EXIST (yet, or anytime soon).
11:30 - One-Punch Man
12:00 - Excel Saga (remake that actually adapts the manga)
12:30 - The Legend of Koizumi
1:00 - Vinland Saga
1:30 - Berserk (remake that adapts the manga and is actually well-animated)
2:00 - Rurouni Kenshin (remake or at least an adaption of the Revenge arc)
2:30 - Trigun Maximum
3:00 - 20th Century Boys
3:30 - Pluto
4:00 - Ashita no Joe (remake that adapts the full manga)
4:30 - Lone Wolf and Cub
5:00 - Animal Land
5:30 - Ranma 1/2 (remake or at least adapts the parts of the manga that haven't been animated yet)
And future shows would be FMP: Third Season, Despera, Tsukihime, and Yotsuba%.
An anime of Yotsuba&! would be great, but it wouldn't fit on Toonami.
Quote from: Cartoon X on May 11, 2014, 07:48:17 PM
An anime of Yotsuba&! would be great, but it wouldn't fit on Toonami.
And will never be produced ever, just like the other anime I mentioned. Knock on wood.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on May 11, 2014, 07:42:58 PM
Quote from: Cartoon X on May 11, 2014, 07:34:52 PM
As a change of pace, I will make a fantasy schedule entirely comprised of anime that DO NOT EXIST (yet, or anytime soon).
11:30 - One-Punch Man
12:00 - Excel Saga (remake that actually adapts the manga)
12:30 - The Legend of Koizumi
1:00 - Vinland Saga
1:30 - Berserk (remake that adapts the manga and is actually well-animated)
2:00 - Rurouni Kenshin (remake or at least an adaption of the Revenge arc)
2:30 - Trigun Maximum
3:00 - 20th Century Boys
3:30 - Pluto
4:00 - Ashita no Joe (remake that adapts the full manga)
4:30 - Lone Wolf and Cub
5:00 - Animal Land
5:30 - Ranma 1/2 (remake or at least adapts the parts of the manga that haven't been animated yet)
And future shows would be FMP: Third Season, Despera, Tsukihime, and Yotsuba%.
Along with Hayate X Blade, Psyren, Mahoyo, Guilty Gear, BlazBlue, Devil May Cry, Murcielago, Spawn TNAS using music from the Iced Earth album, Nanoha Fourth Season, Big O 3, Megaman X, Megaman Zero...
Quote from: Cartoon X on May 11, 2014, 07:34:52 PM
As a change of pace, I will make a fantasy schedule entirely comprised of anime that DO NOT EXIST (yet, or anytime soon).
11:30 - One-Punch Man
12:00 - Excel Saga (remake that actually adapts the manga)
12:30 - The Legend of Koizumi
1:00 - Vinland Saga
1:30 - Berserk (remake that adapts the manga and is actually well-animated)
2:00 - Rurouni Kenshin (remake or at least an adaption of the Revenge arc)
2:30 - Trigun Maximum
3:00 - 20th Century Boys
3:30 - Pluto
4:00 - Ashita no Joe (remake that adapts the full manga)
4:30 - Lone Wolf and Cub
5:00 - Animal Land
5:30 - Ranma 1/2 (remake or at least adapts the parts of the manga that haven't been animated yet)
Put Grappler Baki, Guyver and Samurai Executioner in there and I would be happy.
I'd also love another season of Big O, Heat Guy J, Outlaw Star, Samurai Champloo and S-CRY-Ed, please.
Quote from: Cartoon X on May 11, 2014, 07:34:52 PM
As a change of pace, I will make a fantasy schedule entirely comprised of anime that DO NOT EXIST (yet, or anytime soon).
11:30 - One-Punch Man
12:00 - Excel Saga (remake that actually adapts the manga)
12:30 - The Legend of Koizumi
1:00 - Vinland Saga
1:30 - Berserk (remake that adapts the manga and is actually well-animated)
2:00 - Rurouni Kenshin (remake or at least an adaption of the Revenge arc)
2:30 - Trigun Maximum
3:00 - 20th Century Boys
3:30 - Pluto
4:00 - Ashita no Joe (remake that adapts the full manga)
4:30 - Lone Wolf and Cub
5:00 - Animal Land
5:30 - Ranma 1/2 (remake or at least adapts the parts of the manga that haven't been animated yet)
You forgot Shinsetsu Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo. :>
Quote from: VLordGTZ on May 11, 2014, 11:55:00 PM
Quote from: Cartoon X on May 11, 2014, 07:34:52 PM
As a change of pace, I will make a fantasy schedule entirely comprised of anime that DO NOT EXIST (yet, or anytime soon).
11:30 - One-Punch Man
12:00 - Excel Saga (remake that actually adapts the manga)
12:30 - The Legend of Koizumi
1:00 - Vinland Saga
1:30 - Berserk (remake that adapts the manga and is actually well-animated)
2:00 - Rurouni Kenshin (remake or at least an adaption of the Revenge arc)
2:30 - Trigun Maximum
3:00 - 20th Century Boys
3:30 - Pluto
4:00 - Ashita no Joe (remake that adapts the full manga)
4:30 - Lone Wolf and Cub
5:00 - Animal Land
5:30 - Ranma 1/2 (remake or at least adapts the parts of the manga that haven't been animated yet)
You forgot Shinsetsu Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo. :>
You're right. And
Slayers Special too. ;)
Well, shit. (http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/86736732430/dbz-kai-coming-to-toonami-this-fall-were)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31g0YE61PLQ
And with this, our two year long nightmare begins...
I won't lie, I'll probably tune in.
But yeah, not my first choice for an old-school show to come back. But it is most people's first choice, so.
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2FKkUjCt2.jpg&hash=34928c8953250fabfa99c7d96949178e7d788db5)
"Can we get DBZ?"
"No."
"Can we get DBZ?"
"No."
"Can we get DBZ?"
"No."
"Can we get DBZ?"
"No."
"Can we get DBZ?"
"No."
*two years later*
"Can we get DBZ?"
*drools*
"That means yes!"
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on May 24, 2014, 08:59:12 PM
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2FKkUjCt2.jpg&hash=34928c8953250fabfa99c7d96949178e7d788db5)
"Can we get DBZ?"
"No."
"Can we get DBZ?"
"No."
"Can we get DBZ?"
"No."
"Can we get DBZ?"
"No."
"Can we get DBZ?"
"No."
*two years later*
"Can we get DBZ?"
*drools*
"That means yes!"
Obviously Toonami took notes about Yes meaning No from Diddy Kong (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVYSI47PpZc)
Looks like Toonami finally got intimidated by criminal threats. :awesome:
To quote TFS abridged Cooler, "I fucking CALLED IT!" This is at least better than regular DBZ, though. If they air it at 3am or something, I can't say I really mind that much. It's too bad that Toonami is giving in to nostalgia for ratings' sake. For every step they take forward, they seem to also take one step back.
Oh, they also got Cowboy Bebop back. (https://twitter.com/FUNimation/status/470354848463208449) Too bad it seems like it'll be in SD for now. But they promise it'll switch to the HD version later. (https://twitter.com/ShardShinjuku/status/470355567916371968)
So I guess I'm the only one who isn't bummed out by this news? Honestly, I don't see what's so bad about it. It's not like I especially wanted them to air DBZK, but it IS something that I'd be happy to tune in for if I have the time (and if it's on before I go to bed), and it's better entertainment than at least half of the shows that the new Toonami has aired (like Bleach, Naruto, SAO, etc.), so I can't complain too much.
And don't get me wrong, I acknowledge that it's a cheap cash-in move to appease nostalgia-hungry fans, but I can't help but feel that people are radically overreacting to this news. I mean, really?
Yeah, this is far from an awful thing. Kai is much better entertainment than quite a few shows they have aired and could have aired. I do think it's a step backward, and I don't plan to watch it, but it's not as bad as if they were airing Fairy Tail or anything like that.
Here's the full rundown of the news from Momocon.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BodGcvUIMAARtFt.jpg)
Interesting that Death Note is a possibility. And boy am I glad that there are no plans for FT. Let's keep it that way, shall we? :D
Amazing how even Toonami knows Fairy Tail is horseshit.
...Why Death Note? :whuh: It's not very fitting for the block.
Nice to see that they finally addressed the status of the comic.
now if they wanted some nostalgia for the block, the new Sailor Moon series would be a great choice. DBZ is the most popular show from Toonami's classic age by a significant margin, but SM is one of the closer ones to it in terms of fanbase. This will have new animation that will make it not look so dated in comparison to a lot of the other series currently airing, and it'd be a welcome substitute for the heavy amount of shonen that the block currently airs.
They'd be stupid to not pick it up when the dub's ready.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWUZZNpE62w
:shakeshakeshake:
Quote from: Daikun on May 24, 2014, 06:34:24 PM
Well, shit. (http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/86736732430/dbz-kai-coming-to-toonami-this-fall-were)
Awesome! Especially if they can show it (mostly) uncut.
Remember when they wanted us to trend #intruder2 a few months ago?
Well, they want it again tonight. (http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/87444443888/hey-toonami-faithful-tonight-we-will-air-this)
I saw a commercial for an Attack on Titan episode last night.
Did they deliberately cast Eren to sound like a homicidal maniac or was it just a case of picking the best clip for that kind of thing?
July 5th lineup. (http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/87945001358/july-5th-line-up-space-dandy-season-2-premiere)
11:30p - Space Dandy 12 - Long Open (Attack on Titan returns July 12)
12:00a - Space Dandy 13 - Short Open (Bleach returns July 12)
12:30a - Space Dandy 14 - PREMIERE - Long Open
01:00a - Naruto Shippuden
01:30a - One Piece
02:00a - Blue Exorcist
02:30a - Black Lagoon
03:00a - Beware the Batman
03:30a - Uncut Naruto
04:00a - Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood
04:30a - Samurai Jack
05:00a - Star Wars: The Clone Wars
05:30a - Sym-Bionic Titan
Decent lineup.
I see they're preempting Titan and Bleach to catch people up on the dramatic and epic storytelling that characterized Space Dandy's last two episodes; episodes which will certainly hold importance to the overall lore and continuity moving forward. :sly:
Cowboy Bebop is coming back to the block in July. (http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/88496774788/moments-like-these-return-when-cowboy-bebop-comes) It'll likely replace Sym-Bionic Titan, which will be ending it's current run then.
Schedule starting from July 27th (I've bolded the changes): (https://pressroom.turner.com/us/cartoon-network/schedule/1/2014-7-27/ea)
11:30 - Attack on Titan
12:00 - Bleach
12:30 - Space Dandy
1:00 - Naruto: Shippuden
1:30 - One Piece
2:00 - Blue Exorcist
2:30 - Beware the Batman
3:00 - Black Lagoon
3:30 - Naruto
4:00 - Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
4:30 - Cowboy Bebop
5:00 - Star Wars: The Clone Wars
5:30 - Samurai Jack
While nothing has been officially confirmed just yet, the Turner Press Release site is usually not wrong about the Toonami schedule. I honestly believe this will happen. Black Lagoon has been losing to Beware the Batman in total ratings and has a fair drop off from BE, while BTB's adult 18-49 ratings tend to be about the same or higher than it, and by the 27th Beware will start premiering episodes never before broadcast on television. BL's performance also probably means we won't be seeing Roberta's Blood Trail on the block anytime soon, which is unfortunate.
Jack at 5:30? :shit:
Also, Beware the Batman BEFORE Black Lagoon? :wth:
I haven't been keeping up with the ratings, but if Black Lagoon's numbers are that much lower, than I'm worried that they'd stay away from picking up more seinen for the block.
Quote from: Daikun on June 18, 2014, 04:11:10 AM
Jack at 5:30? :shit:
Jack is the tamest show on the block. I think putting it at 5:30 makes much more sense than putting
Bebop at 5:30.
Quote from: Avaitor on June 18, 2014, 10:06:17 AM
I haven't been keeping up with the ratings, but if Black Lagoon's numbers are that much lower, than I'm worried that they'd stay away from picking up more seinen for the block.
I think they'll just keep picking up shows that they like which is what they've always done. But they probably won't be favoring seinin pickups to shonen pickups.
All right... lets see Blue Exorcist kill Batman's ratings now.
Turns out Jason DeMarco answered some questions on Twitter yesterday. Here are the notable answers as listed by BrianLeague over at T-Z.
Quote- King Star King will not air during Daylight Saving Time again.
- They're not sure if Black Lagoon will move down to 3am.
- Black Lagoon keeps its full opening and ending because they cannot re-edit the masters without a "high degree of cost."
- Naruto: Shippuden will get a promo when they have time.
- They're not sure what Dragon Ball Z Kai will replace.
- They don't have much time for "arc promos," especially at the expense of show promos, game reviews, and other content.
- Space Dandy will get episode promos when new episodes return and Attack on Titan will continue to get them as well.
- It was not challenging to get Black Lagoon approved by the network.
- It's an "open question" as to whether or not Beware the Batman makes it easier to acquire other DC shows.
It seems like BL moving down to 3am is not set in stone yet. Also, it's good to hear new
Dandy eps will still be promoted in addition to the AOT ones. I figured it'd be one or the other.
I've said it before but I'll say it again: Toonami needs to be on weekday afternoons to be successful. Most of their shows are just too long to tolerate once a week.
Quote from: Skeeter Valentine on June 25, 2014, 04:21:42 AM
I've said it before but I'll say it again: Toonami needs to be on weekday afternoons to be successful. Most of their shows are just too long to tolerate once a week.
I've thought the same thing since the day it came back.
I was thinking, how the hell do they get anywhere with One Piece? Even if they played it once everyday, you can't catch up on the show if you watch it daily. It should be like DBZ and have "new" episodes every weekday.
Toonami is doing fine weekly and the positive press releases and ratings it gets proves that. They really only have four-long runners in a block comprised of 13 different shows, and while those four would be more tolerable weekdays, the fact is that CN has no more interest in action cartoons and [adult swim]'s FOX comedies + Robot Chicken do way better in ratings than they would in weekday late-night slots, so there's no practical reason to put it on weekdays.
Not to mention putting Toonami back on weekdays would mean CN would have more control over it, and it would get an even bigger burn than it did in 2008.
I don't give it shit, I want more Toonami. :bleh:
Do you even watch anything on the current Toonami? :D
Does it matter? :thinkin:
July 26 schedule change confirmed. (https://twitter.com/clarknova1/status/482258431462871040)
I am not amused. :unimpressed:
I like Beware the Batman, it's going to be airing world premiere episodes starting on the 26th, and I've seen Black Lagoon half a dozen times, so...I'm good.
Cool, so I take it this means Beware the Batman is becoming a sleeper hit? I don't know how likely it could be revived on Toonami, but I'd love see it keep climbing the schedule.
I'm not interested in watching Black Lagoon, so nothing about it's shift bothers me.
Quote from: Peanutbutter on June 27, 2014, 11:59:26 AM
I'm not interested in watching Black Lagoon, so nothing about it's shift bothers me.
So you admit that you're a part of the problem! Sorry for GSFing you, but I just noticed this reply. :P
Also, I forgot that tonight was the Space Dandy premiere. I hope my DVR didn't.
Gurren Lagann comes to Toonami on August 16.
Finally, an Aniplex acquisition that's actually good.
I was expecting KLK...but I like GL, so I'm happy about this.
I have the DVDs of GL, but still a good pick up. If it's new to Toonami, it's good enough for me.
Late as hell but 3 weekends ago I watch Black Lagoon, Black Dynamite, Beware Batman or whatever the hell it's called and Attack on Titan for the first time.
Attack: it was either the first episode or the first episode of a new season because it typically had higher ranked characters come in all cool-like to save the day in what I'm guessing were a bunch of introductions..I quickly lost interest. I also hate the animation.
Black Dynamite - That episode with the big white monkey and the big headed guy. Funny
Beware - The character designs made me turn faster than Attack on Titan. I did watch a bit of it for the next 2 weeks and liked how the fight choreography seemed like live action martial arts movies. Very nice.
Black Lagoon - The episode were the axe twin got killed via sniping. If that plot twist meant what I think it meant, then those characters are slightly less creepy than I thought. I believe next week with the episode where that nun was bothering Remy (I think that was her name) some girl comes by for help and at some bar, there was a character with an awful asian accent.. :D I loved that. Plus the wonderful amounts of sarcasm the show has. I need to watch this from the beginning.
GL will be in HD. (https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/490727278260006913)
Hype killed GL for me when it was in Syfy years ago. Maybe I'll give it another go. Well, that and other things.
It has giant robots, right? Yeah, automatically not interested.
But I thought you liked Big O and G Gundam?
Those aren't even my two favorites :bleh: Well, one of them is. Anyway, I only make special exceptions.
I never really hated GL like Foggle and Dr. Insomniac used to, but I also never really cared for it either. I'm all for fun style and whatnot, but it just felt too overdone to me, to the point where when it got to the scenes that you were legitimately supposed to take seriously, I just couldn't bring myself to care. That said, I don't have anything against the series, either, but I'll always be a bit ticked off that this started a trend of sorts where anime fans went gags over any series that was oozing with crazy style like this one, without actually bothering to analyze whether it had any substance to go along with it. I'm not referring to this series itself, because I can recognize that it has substance, but rather anything that tried to mimick the popularity by having over the top animation without any actual heart to what was going on.
Also, while I hear a lot of people praising how TTGL can be very silly and ridiculous on one extreme, but also have powerful emotional moments on another extreme, I'd like to point out that personally, I still think that One Piece (pre-time skip), has done it much better. The 2 major deaths from the Mrineford arc come to mind.
I will give TTGL credit, though, for paying a really cool homage to Ashita no Joe with one particular death scene that everybody knows about. Cartoon X, I believe that you would recognize it if you payed close enough attention. ;)
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on July 20, 2014, 01:57:18 PM
I will give TTGL credit, though, for paying a really cool homage to Ashita no Joe with one particular death scene that everybody knows about. Cartoon X, I believe that you would recognize it if you payed close enough attention. ;)
Yeah, I know exactly what scene you're talking about. :D
Eh, I avoided most of the hype before finally watching GL, so I'm able to call it a favorite of mine. That and I just love well done over the top stuff in general. Glad to see it will be on TV again.
I'm thinking about giving TTGL another chance when it hits Toonami, but I'll probably forget to watch it and just never get back to the show.
I like over the top stuff too. I just also happen to like actually feeling attached to characters and having a story just as intriguing as any of the fights in the series a lot more. I think I felt that connection more with KLK than I did with TTGL (and for the record, I went into the series when it was relatively new, so I didn't have a lot of hype to go on, either).
Like I said, I don't actually dislike TTGL, but rather I just couldn't ever bring myself to care that much about it, as much as I tried. It's just a matter of opinion, really.
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on July 20, 2014, 02:53:50 PM
I like over the top stuff too. I just also happen to like actually feeling attached to characters and having a story just as intriguing as any of the fights in the series a lot more.
I felt attached to the characters and found the story simple but interesting. But like you said, it's a matter of opinion.
Anyways, I'm cool with TTGL getting its time on Toonami, but I do hope that KLK gets to air at some point in the future.
Of course, as far as shounen series go, little would please me more than to see HXH air on Toonami, but as before, it still has yet to be licensed. If the rumor about Madhouse specifically waiting for the the anime to finish before licensing it out is true (even though that makes virtually no sense from a business and marketing point of view), then I hope that they only meant until the anime goes on hiatus in just a few more weeks. If they intend to wait until it covers the whole manga, then I fear that HXH will never be licensed overseas.
Also, if anyone does pick up HXH, I really, desperately hope that it's FUNimation rather than Viz, even if the latter would be more likely. After the way that Viz treated the first anime, I just want them to stay as far away from the new one as possible. Just stick to releasing the manga.
Has a hiatus been confirmed? Also, HXH's dub is clearly a job for Funimation.
Not that I know of, but it might as well be. They kind of have to put it on hiatus. They are less than 30 chapters behind the manga's current story-line.
That's... actually the thing that broke GL for me in addition to the hype, but you all seemed to love it so that's why I didn't delve further into it. But Ensatsu pretty much pointed it out, though he seems way more forgiving than I was. The show spends several episodes being balls to the walls insane, and then it pulls a fast one on the viewer. It's hard to take the drama seriously when you've pretty much been nothing but crazy robot physics, meme-worthy dialogue, and fanservice up the ass. The show is very much style over substance.
But it's been years, and now that I know what I'm getting into, I'll give it another shot. I just need to be in the right mood for the over-the-top stuff.
Yeah, I might as well give the show another view as well while it's on Toonami (I actually haven't seen the dub before, now that I think about it). I don't expect my mind to be changed, but perhaps after KLK I might find something to appreciate about this show's style, if nothing else.
Quote from: Avaitor on July 20, 2014, 02:48:24 PM
I'm thinking about giving TTGL another chance when it hits Toonami, but I'll probably forget to watch it and just never get back to the show.
I liked Gurren Lagann when I watched it several years ago.
I've been trying to get my girlfriend to watch it since she really enjoyed Kill La Kill. Eventually, I will succeed in this goal.
Oh whoa, I'm having so much nostalgia on this old episode of Naruto. Something something sharigan revived. The episode where Sasuke fights Orochimaru and gets bitten. Never thought I'd get nostalgic over Naruto. This feels weird.
I think this is the last episode of my favorite part of Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood.
On the 30th, Toonami's going to do an AOT marathon, from 12-6. Space Dandy will still air its new episode, but now in its original 11:30 timeslot.
The ratings for that night should be interesting.
Well this means I get the night off from making talkbacks.
Hellsing Ultimate is coming to Toonami. (http://toonami.tumblr.com/) It will replace Black Lagoon starting September 13th at 3am. They won't edit it for time, either.
The new schedule will be as follows:
11:30 - Attack on Titan
12:00 - Bleach
12:30 - Space Dandy
01:00 - Shippuden
01:30 - One Piece
02:00 - Gurren Lagann
02:30 - Beware the Batman
03:00 - HELLSING ULTIMATE
04:00 - Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood
04:30 - Cowboy Bebop
05:00 - SWCW
05:30 - Samurai Jack
I'm surprised with this acquisition. I don't really like Ultimate beyond the first three episodes (I do still think the manga is a fun, popcorn read, though), but hey, it's not a bad acquisition either.
And if Toonami is now willing to air shows that'll last more than a half an hour, perhaps there is hope for Roberta's Blood Trail after all.
Hellsing is one of those series that feels like it was written my a hormone-induced 13-year-old who just made a story comprised of everything that he thought was cool, without any regard to good drama or characterization, or even coherent story-telling. Needless to say, I liked the manga and OVAs when I was younger, but have since come to find them to be nothing more than substance-less gore-fests. It has about as much sense as a Michael Bay movie.
But....there could still be worse things for them to air, so I really don't mind it.
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on August 23, 2014, 01:10:31 PM
Hellsing is one of those series that feels like it was written my a hormone-induced 13-year-old who just made a story comprised of everything that he thought was cool, without any regard to good drama or characterization, or even coherent story-telling. Needless to say, I liked the manga and OVAs when I was younger, but have since come to find them to be nothing more than substance-less gore-fests. It has about as much sense as a Michael Bay movie.
To be fair, at least Hellsing seems to know what it is and just rolls with it by having it be as over-the-top ridiculous as possible unlike certain other shows *coughcoughattackontitan*coughcough*. I'd compare it more to a cheesy grindhouse movie or something.
I still haven''t seen past the first 3 eps of Ultimate, and those I haven't seen in more than 5 years. I might hit this up.
Well, I don't know. On the one hand, yeah, HU doesn't seem to treat itself as seriously as AOT, so I can't make fun of it as much. However, to be honest I just find it so lacking in substance that I'm more bored by it, rather than anything else. With AOT, it does at least feel like their was more genuine effort put into it, which makes it worse in theory, but more enjoyable for me in the sense that I do legitimately enjoy the few things that it does get right, and can also kind of enjoy laughing at the more unintentionally ridiculous elements of the series, at least up until the Female Titan arc, because after that point the series just becomes complete shit, IMO.
Good on Toonami to pick up anime that people wanted back in 2007 or so, not caring if Hellsing is basically the day-old bread of seinen.
Considering that FUNi is releasing the final two episodes on dvd/blu-ray in October, and the fact this is airing at 3am, I'm pretty positive FUNi cut [as] a very generous deal on HU. Clearly Toonami benefits, since they are always looking for new content to air and less reruns, and for ten weeks, they'll be airing new to [as] material for 4.5 hours, which is pretty impressive. Good for them, I say.
In any case, DeMarco confirmed on twitter that Naruto is gone for good. So, yay for that, I suppose.
Less Naruto reruns on the block. At least there's a silver lining to this acquisition.
You know how Titan and Bleach are ending on the same week? You know what I'm expecting will happen to replace both?
DBZ Kai and Sailor Moon power-hour.
It could happen.
Quote from: Cartoon X on August 23, 2014, 08:28:17 PMYou know how Titan and Bleach are ending on the same week? You know what I'm expecting will happen to replace both?
DBZ Kai and Sailor Moon power-hour.
It could happen.
I think that's what a lot of us are expecting.
Are we talking about classic Sailor Moon? Because, even though I've never been a big fan, I'd still gladly take that over Crystal, and seeing as how that one has the new English dub and Crystal is still only streaming with subtitles, it seems much more likely.
Classic Sailor Moon. There wouldn't be enough Crystal episodes by November for Toonami to air it on a weekly basis.
Yeah, Crystal's backlash wouldn't make it a very desirable choice, while the original has that extra bit of shear nostalgia factor that the block is often willing to cash in on.
The only draw-back to airing the original is that it's old, but age doesn't seem to be that much of a problem for this iteration of Toonami.
that means no more shippuden?
No, the first Naruto anime is gone now. Shippuden will continue to air.
Unfortunately enough.
Saying that Crystal won't air due to bad reception is like saying Sword Art wouldn't air due to bad reception, but then that happened in spite of all of the people telling Jason DeMarco about the tentacle scene.
True, but the biweekly airing schedule is still another factor against it.
I'm still pitying a Toonami that won't air Madoka.
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FMh9Vsh5.png&hash=efac4b7ec1b18de36d7d7bc946f2cc22c5c73d79)
Good riddance.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on August 24, 2014, 11:54:03 AM
I'm still pitying a Toonami that won't air Madoka.
Get Shinbo to make twelve more episodes then.
Have fun reading! (https://www.change.org/p/adult-swim-add-digimon-adventure-to-savers-to-the-toonami-block)
I can't wait until Toonami airs Beyblade.
For what it's worth, I'd rather watch that than another Attack on Titan marathon.
It's funny, because I remember saying that, while I knew it would never air on the block for various reasons, I would have found Tamers to be a good fit. People might argue that point because it's technically a kids show, but in terms of actual content, it contains far better writing and more mature story-lines than anything in Naruto or Bleach, which most Toonami fans seem to be OK with. Also, it's not like classic Toonami didn't air it's fair share of kids and toyetic shows. I mean, they aired fucking. Hamtaro for. Crying out loud. My point being that the reasons people give for it not belonging on the block are silky when you consider that they are complete double standards.
I don't know about all of you, but I just want to watch good shows on the block. Not shows that are pretending to be more mature and well-written than they really are to appeal to the YA demographic who wants to believe they are watching more adult entertainment yet don't understand the first thing about what makes a show mature.
Regardless, this isn't going to go down, anyways. Even if the demand was insanely high (which it's not), they aren't going to get the rights to air it considering who else has it right now.
Toonami was forced to air Hamtaro, Pokemon, and Yu-Gi-Oh! by the network. If they had their way, those shows would have never aired on the block at all.
That said, Digimon Tamers on the block might be neat if they ever by some miracle can snatch the rights to it.
The problem is that the demand isn't there. There's this online petition, but it doesn't represent the majority of the Toonami fan-base. Most of the current Toonami fans either haven't seen DT, or saw it a long time ago and never picked up on its darker themes as a kid, and thus assume or remember it as just another kid's show, so they won't be clamoring to see it take up a spot from another show on the block. This is also the same audience that seems to think that Black Lagoon can't handle it's subject material whereas AoT is apparently quality writing material, mind you.
This only has 10 signatures so far, anyway.
Actually, that's probably good enough incentive for Jason to pick it up. If too many people sign it, Digimon would seem too desirable to the block, and thus would be such an obvious choice for the block that he'd ignore it. If very few people want it, that's just fine in his book.
Quote from: Avaitor on September 14, 2014, 12:34:16 PM
Actually, that's probably good enough incentive for Jason to pick it up. If too many people sign it, Digimon would seem too desirable to the block, and thus would be such an obvious choice for the block that he'd ignore it. If very few people want it, that's just fine in his book.
Mmm, I dunno, Toonami's been picking up obvious choices pretty frequently.
Sword Art Online &
Attack on Titan were the most popular anime of their respective years and are the definition of obvious choices.
Dragon Ball Z is the most popular anime they ever aired so airing
Kai is a super obvious choice. Much of the last few acquisitions, even
Black Lagoon and
Hellsing Ultimate, have been stuff people were actually asking for. So, I dunno, if people want really push for
Digimon, they might get
Digimon. Except they won't because Saban probably doesn't want to spoil the kid/family-friendly brand image. So that's too bad.
hellsing ultimate is pretty awesome. it was good to finally see anderson.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on September 14, 2014, 05:50:57 AM
I can't wait until Toonami airs Beyblade.
I would legit watch that over Naruto Shitpudding.
At the end of the month Dandy is ending and Clone Wars is leaving. Here's the schedule starting on October 11th. (http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/97642970593/october-4th-line-up)
11:30 - Attack on Titan
12:00 - Bleach
12:30 - Naruto: Shippuden
01:00 - One Piece
01:30 - Gurren Lagann
02:00 - Beware the Batman
02:30 - Hellsing Ultimate
03:30 - Cowboy Bebop
04:00 - Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood
04:30 - Stand Alone Complex 2nd Gig
05:00 - Big O Season 2
05:30 - Samurai Jack
Quote from: Cartoon X on September 16, 2014, 12:44:38 PMAt the end of the month Dandy is ending and Clone Wars is leaving. Here's the schedule starting on October 11th. (http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/97642970593/october-4th-line-up)
Not happening. The schedule has been hijacked by the legal department. (http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/98164760488/good-news-bad-news-batman-fans)
September 27:
11:30 - Attack on Titan
12:00 - Bleach
12:30 - Space Dandy
1:00 - Naruto: Shippuden
1:30 - One Piece
2:00 - Gurren Lagann
2:30 - Beware the Batman (marathon of the final episodes)
October 4:
11:30 - Attack on Titan
12:00 - Bleach
12:30 - Naruto: Shippuden
1:00 - One Piece
1:30 - Gurren Lagann
2:00 - Hellsing Ultimate
3:00 - Space Dandy
3:30 - Cowboy Bebop
4:00 - FMA:B
4:30 - GitS:SAC 2nd Gig
5:00 - Big O
5:30 - Samurai Jack
Now would've been a good time for Kai to come on, if it's still even happening.
Quote from: Avaitor on September 22, 2014, 05:44:36 PMNow would've been a good time for Kai to come on, if it's still even happening.
It starts in November.
Geez, now the only western cartoon in their roster is Samurai Jack, and who knows if CN will let them rerun that a second time. As for the schedule change, it makes sense to give HU a push into an earlier timeslot over premiering anything new since it's been doing excellently (800,000+ at 3am, ftw). At any rate, I'm still banking on a DB Kai/Sailor Moon power-hour to replace Titan and Bleach in November, since they should end on the same date iirc.
Ugh, I really hope that doesn't happen. 4 long-runners on the block is too much.
I agree, but I just think it's very likely to happen, unfortunately as that might be. Of course, they could always prove me wrong, but somehow I don't see them missing the opportunity to have both of the most popular series they ever aired back on the block at the same time.
The word is that CN has also written off The Secret Saturdays and Generator Rex.
I'm not sure if this is the right thread, but then again, I could have seen both potentially be on Toonami at some point. Just like how the previous distribution rights haven't been lost, GR is still on Netflix. Which is good, since I was considering giving it a shot. I've been told by more than one person that it's the secret good Man of Action show.
Here's some news from the latest Toonami Tumblr Q&A.
QuoteAnonymous Asked: I've heard rumors that DBZ Kai is airing on November 8. Is this true?
Toonami: The rumors are correct! We will begin airing DBZ Kai uncut at midnight starting November 8th, replacing Bleach.
Welp, that confirms
Bleach's replacement and what will be taking it's timeslot. Not really a fan of
Kai airing so early, but it's not unexpected either.
Quotecuteinpastel Asked: Will you guys still be showing space dandy re runs after it's over?
Toonami: Yes, Dandy will return for a full run. We have the rights for a long time so Dandy won?t be going anywhere, especially since we lost the rights to Batman and Sym-Bionic Titan!
QuoteAnonymous Asked: Will Bleach and/or Attack On Titan be repeated once their runs are finished?
Toonami: Attack on Titan will definitely re-run on Toonami.
Not surprised about this. I figure they'll hang onto
Titan as long as they've been hanging on to FMAB and make it a regular staple of the back end of the block.
Quotekavemane Asked: Can you tell us what to expect to see in the upcoming months?
Toonami: You can expect another month of movies, some new shows coming in both big and small, and THE RETURN OF DBZ to its rightful home!
Quotetechiecreek Asked: Has Toonami merch (clothes, bags, figures) been talked about recently? Would that sort of thing be possible in the not-so-distant future?
Toonami: We?re looking into some possibilities, actually!
Quotegod-my-oh Asked: Given how big Attack on Titan's been for you, and how good FUNi has been about simuldubbing Dandy, any consideration of a simuldub of the inevitable Titan Season 2?
Toonami: There?s a lot of lawyers and luck involved in making that happen. Very little of which is up to us. Not saying we wouldn?t WANT to, but that?s a lot of stars to align.
Quotegod-my-oh Asked: With Hellsing a hit, looking into more hour-long shows? Gundam Unicorn is finally finished, and there's also Roberta's Black Blood Trail.
Toonami: It?s hard to work that out, but it?s something we are definitely looking into, based on Hellsing?s success so far!
Quotethatguythateatsonlytacos Asked: Is Bleach getting a big send-off, or a rerun?
Toonami: It will most likely not get a re-run, and we may do something special as a send-off if we can work that out!
Oh thank god it isn't re-running. Come November, it'll be gone for good!
QuoteAnonymous Asked: What's the point of Toonami when we have sites like crunchyroll and hulu?
Toonami: Hulu and Crunchyroll don?t give you goodies every week or curate their content at all, which to us, is what make Toonami different. If you want a grocery store where you pick up things a la carte, those sites are fine. If you want a catered meal, Toonami is a better choice. ;)
QuoteAnonymous Asked: So is the month of movies going to be happening in December again?
Toonami: That?s the current plan!
QuoteAnonymous Asked: what are your most requested shows now that AoT And Kai are on toonami! (soon to be )
Toonami: Sailor Moon, Kill La KIll, SAO season 2.
Quotecbkask Asked: How are the Clydes? When do you think we will see them again?
Toonami: We?re working on that one, promise. It?s been tough to work out with our current budget.
Quotedagangstah Asked: How far ahead in terms of programming do you guys usually plan? Do you know whats going to be showing on Toonami in 2020?!?
Toonami: We normally plan about 6-8 months out, but it seems like there is always some sort of last minute shake up!
Quoteafelineisfinetoo Asked: Since you're alloting for time for Ep. 4 of Hellsing, will you be doing the same for Ep. 10? Because it's about an hour and 7 minutes in total runtime.
Toonami: Yes we will not be cutting anything for time. We?ll just have to make adjustments for those long eps. You?ll see some music videos and things of that nature!
Quotems-musicl0ver Asked: Even though Star Wars: The Clone Wars is leaving, will it ever return in the future?
Toonami: No, it won?t.
Quotebnjrivera Asked: Are you going to release another free Toonami mixtape by Skull Island by the end of the year? [Dandy Megamix, maybe] In that case, will you have another artwork contest for the cover? I have a friend who wants to be a graphic designer and is waiting anxiously for it.
Toonami: We doubt there will be a mixtape this year. We?re trying to come up with something fun, though!
QuoteAnonymous Asked: What do you guys think of a growing number of people wanting Swat Kats on the block?
Toonami: We think those people will be sadly disappointed.
Quotethatkidmackey Asked: can you guys try and bring back young justice and air it on toonami?
Toonami: That won?t happen, sorry.
QuoteAnonymous Asked: I know a lot of people think Toonami's target audience is mostly guys, but are there a lot of girls watching too? I'm a girl and I was just wondering if I was a rarity or something.
Toonami: There are some girls watching but the vast majority of our audience is male skewing. We love the ladies who watch Toonami though! Thank you and please tell a friend!
Quotejeargumedo Asked: How did the Dandy Dreams promo come about and what was the second song in that piece?
Toonami: We wanted to do a farewell piece for Dandy. Jonny wanted to do a head fake with that scene and the music change. The second song was?we?ll get back to you. We can?t remember what Jonny said.
QuoteAnonymous Asked: Are you planning doing more reviews for games like Destiny and Smash Bros. For 3DS?
Toonami: We will not be reviewing Destiny, but of course we will continue with Toonami game reviews for sure!
QuoteAnonymous Asked: Will tumblr be the only social network you guys actively use, or will you guys use other social networks? (like Facebook)
Toonami: We?ve thought about it, but for now we like the way this has been working out.
Quoterosemcginley Asked: Was their ever an anime you guys wanted to air but never could? If so what was it?
Toonami: We were REALLY hot to trot for Escaflowne back in the day, but Fox heard about our interest and outbid us on purpose. Them?s the breaks!
TL; DR
- Dragon Ball Kai will come to the block on November 8th, replacing Bleach in the midnight timeslot.
- There will be another month of movies this December
- Attack on Titan will definitely re-run.
- Bleach will likely not re-run.
I learned basically nothing from this Q&A.
...also in keeping with traditional Toonami form, none of my questions were answered.
Since we'll be getting another month of movies, here's what some of what I'm hopeful for (but that we probably won't get):
Redline (might be possible)
One Piece: Strong World (likeliness depends on the series' regular ratings on the block)
Wolf Children and/or The Girl Who Leapt Through Time (because Summer Wars was actually pretty well received, and before you say that they aren't action-packed films, neither was Summer Wars, outside of the 2 notable scenes in the movie, and that still got aired on Toonami; I've never really seen the movies of having to apply to the same standards as the shows that they air)
Cowboy Bebop: The Movie (for nostalgia's sake, but probably unlikely because it's old)
Evangelion 2.22 (So that I can see the English dub, though since they already aired this one before, it's probably not likely to get a rerun on the block)
Any good Lupin III movie (also unlikely for the same reason as CB)
The Wind Rises (because CX insists that I'll like it even if I'm not a Miyazaki fan, so this is probably the most likely way for me to check it out, but it's also unlikely....because Disney)
What we'll probably get...
Tenchi Muyo in Love
King of Thorn
Wolf Children (GWLTT has the Bandai problem going against it)
Blue Exorcist The Movie
Blue Exorcist actually has a movie? Huh...I guess that any half-way popular shounenshit can get a feature-length production, these days.
What is this "Sentai" you speak of? (http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/98640124548/did-adult-swim-write-off-the-rights-to-big-o-season-1)
Well I asked about Sentai....no response.
Sony owns the license to the Cowboy Bebop movie, right? I wonder if that ruins their chances of airing it...
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on September 28, 2014, 02:33:48 PM
The Wind Rises (because CX insists that I'll like it even if I'm not a Miyazaki fan, so this is probably the most likely way for me to check it out, but it's also unlikely....because Disney)
I do not recall making any such promise. :humhumhum:
It
is easily my favorite film of his, though.
As for the movie month, films based on past and present Toonami shows seem the most likely, and like last year I can see them sticking with just what FUNi has since they have the biggest backlog of stuff. Of course, they've shown interest in airing
Redline, so that's always game too. The film I think is most likely to be shown is
Evangelion 3.33. Beyond that,
DBZ: Battle of the Gods is a big possibility as well, though it's recency might make it too pricey for them at this point in time.
I think they might get another older DBZ movie or two before aiming for Battle of the Gods, personally.
None of the older DBZ movies are feature-length, and Battle of Gods only recently got its dub released, so I wouldn't count on any DBZ output for the movie season. I think that One Piece would be a bit more likely if only because FUNimation probably wouldn't charge them as much as DBZ to air it, since Strong World is a considerably older film by this point.
Honestly, as far as I'm concerned, if they could somehow get Redline and Wold Children (both of which are in the real, of immediate possibility), I'd consider the movie season a success, just like last year when they had 2 hits (Akira and Summer Wars) and 2 stinkers (FMA and Trigun).
They should just do a Tree of Might marathon all night like they used to do with The Iron Giant on regular CN. :sly:
Trying to claw Redline out of Starz's grasp will be a problem.
Quote from: Foggle on September 28, 2014, 07:09:49 PMSony owns the license to the Cowboy Bebop movie, right? I wonder if that ruins their chances of airing it...
Nope. Adult Swim already aired it years ago, and Sony owns Aniplex and Sony is on good terms with CN/AS (they even have some original co-productions on the block, like
The Boondocks and
Robot Chicken). They could pick it up again if they wanted to, no problem.
Quote from: Foggle on September 28, 2014, 08:32:21 PMThey should just do a Tree of Might marathon all night like they used to do with The Iron Giant on regular CN. :sly:
It'd be awesome if Toonami could get the rights to airing some non-anime movies, like Wonder Woman, Justice League: The New Frontier, or Batman: Year One, among others, but with their current funds it's highly unlikely.
Aye. It would be amazing if they were to air, say, Mask of the Phantasm...
I would've mentioned MOTP and ROTJ, but I figured that Toonami might avoid them just because, aside from DBZ, they seem against airing popular stuff from their past (and old-school Toonami aired MOTP and ROTJ, as well as BTAS and BB, multiple times over).
Yeah, but most of the modern DC animated movies I've seen were utterly rancid. Assault on Arkham and Flashpoint Paradox are among the worst films I've seen in years.
Also, if they were ever to air either of those movies (in the completely unlikely chance), they better as fuck use these (http://youtu.be/_xIcsWrITZc) promos (http://youtu.be/UObPalPkNVU).
Quote from: Foggle on September 28, 2014, 08:49:00 PMYeah, but most of the modern DC animated movies I've seen were utterly rancid. Assault on Arkham and Flashpoint Paradox are among the worst films I've seen in years.
Have you actually seen any of the ones that I specifically mentioned?
I actually didn't think that Flashpoint was that bad, but that may just be because the fact that Son of Batman and a few others that were insanely terrible lowered my standards by a considerable amount.
Either way, BOTH of the films that you mentioned were from AFTER Bruce Timm stepped down from producing these movies. All 3 that I mentioned were during his time as producer (and occasionally as a writer).
Year One was good. Never saw New Frontier. Didn't even know there was a Wonder Woman film.
Flashpoint Paradox was definitely better than Son of Batman, Assault on Arkham, Justice League: War, etc, but it was still pretty bad IMO.
Quote from: Foggle on September 28, 2014, 09:00:32 PMYear One was good. Never saw New Frontier. Didn't even know there was a Wonder Woman film.
Hence why I mentioned those 3 specifically, and not the entire body of DCAU DTV movies. Those 3 and Green Lantern: First Flight are legitimately good films, hence why I mentioned that they'd be awesome to air on the movie month, but won't happen because WB properties ain't cheap.
Flashpoint to me came off as more of a bad movie with some good aspects than a flat-out terrible one, is what I mean. It's like I feel that the movie could have actually worked if it was handled by better writers, whereas Son of Batman and the other post Bruce Timm-era films are terrible beyond hope.
Is Assault on Arkham really that terrible? I just heard it was a mediocre retread of the Suicide Squad episode of JLU.
It's like Akame ga Kill but even edgier and starring DC characters.
Maybe they should air Superman: Doomsday.
"Ah, red and green- the colors of Christmas!" .3.
Quote from: Foggle on September 28, 2014, 09:35:06 PM
It's like Akame ga Kill but even edgier and starring DC characters.
I'm trying to imagine what that'd be like, and I think I may have cut my mind with all of that edge.
Let's air The Dark Knight Returns and have both parts spread over 2 nights. Nah... that's probably too of an iconic Batman adaptation or something for them.
Oh crap, I forgot about TDKR. Both parts are great. That's another one you didn't factor in either, Foggle. Convenient that you mostly only watched the post Bruce Timm-era DTV movies. :humhumhum:
Once again, though, I doubt that WB would fork it over for a reasonable price, so it probably won't ever air on Toonami.
I'd like to see them air all 5 parts of Roberta's Blood Trail as a movie.
I am loving Hellsing Ultimate. I still can't get episode 2 out of my head. So freaking cool.
Cooler's Revenge will re-air during this year's DST hour. (http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/100202003875/dst-found-hour-november-1)
Couldn't they have at least chosen a different DBZ movie? Like, airing Return of Cooler would have made sense, wouldn't it? I know it's just the DST hour, but it still seems like a waste. :??:
Cooler's Revenge is much better.
I honestly don't like either of them. I just think it's a waste to re-air the same dang movie twice in the same year, is all.
Oh, that's right I think I even caught Cooler's Revenge when it came on. I forgot that fast. :D
InuYasha: The Final Act is FINALLY coming to Toonami starting on November 15th at 2am. (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-10-24/inuyasha-the-final-act-to-run-on-toonami/.80305)
Geez, that sure took them long enough. Well better late than never I suppose. The line-up is starting on the 15th will probably going to be my "favorite" since the block came back, since I'll like all of the shows on it except Shitpuden.
It seems that they didn't pick up the rights to every episode of Ultimate after all, though. They won't be airing the last two. Too bad for Hellsing fans, but I'm sure they'll get the rights to those and air them sometime later when they can.
Also, it's confirmed that Titan reruns will be staying at the 11:30 slot. Shocker. I wonder what they'll switch into 2:30 though, since most of what they have on hold for reruns is being used. I'm expecting it'll either be a new show from FUNi or FLCL reruns. If it's a new FUNi show, I'm crossing my fingers for something good like Psycho-Pass or at least Jormungand. It would be nice to try and watch an entire Toonami line-up of mostly good shows except for one for the first in a long time.
good, an excuse for me to watch every ultimate episode online. i am not joking.
Quote from: Cartoon X on October 24, 2014, 12:45:19 PMInuYasha: The Final Act is FINALLY coming to Toonami starting on November 15th at 2am. (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-10-24/inuyasha-the-final-act-to-run-on-toonami/.80305)
This should've been on five years ago. Oh, well. Better late than never, I suppose.
Also, it's nice to see that Toonami remembered that other companies besides FUNi exist.
well hasn't funi been generous to them? anyway, i will be tuning in for the final act. hopefully it is better than the other post band of seven episodes i have seen.
Quote from: gunswordfist on October 24, 2014, 04:57:18 PMwell hasn't funi been generous to them?
Yes, but FUNi takes up over half the block, almost to the point where they're reliant on them. (It's like Fox on Adult Swim.)
11:30 - Attack on Titan
12:00 - DBZ Kai (replacing Bleach)
1:00 - One Piece
2:00 - Hellsing Ultimate
3:00 - Space Dandy
3:30 - Cowboy Bebop (license now in FUNi's hands)
4:00 - FMA: Brotherhood
It's nice to see some diversity.
they kind of are. from what i hear, they don't have too much of a choice. the toonami staff wanted other shows in the past but couldn't get them for one reason or another.
FUNi's offers them the best deals on their stuff and has a much larger backlog of titles than anyone else, so it's only natural that they would end up getting more stuff from them over the others. I personally don't mind because I only care about whether good shows come to the block or not. Now that
Bleach is gone, though, I'd expect we'll see a faster rotation of Viz titles into the block, provided they don't pick up
Sailor Moon and lock a slot down for four years. Aniplex only has around 5 or so titles left that I could ever see Toonami even consider airing, so I'm sure we'll see most of what they do have to offer on the block at some point or the other as the years go by.
Quote from: gunswordfist on October 24, 2014, 04:57:18 PM
anyway, i will be tuning in for the final act. hopefully it is better than the other post band of seven episodes i have seen.
I personally think the series was a lot better after Band of 7, myself, as far as the manga goes. But I can understand people's dislike of those episodes in the anime, since the filler and animation and pacing became pretty ghastly there. At any rate,
Final Act is the only part of the IY anime I like, and it covers the best parts of the series by far. I'm glad it's finally airing.
that's interesting. i have a hard time believing the arc with the flying female demon with the spear or whatever is good in any medium but then again it was probably all filler. i did kind of like the kid demon that joined naraku's gang though. the episodes leading up to iy getting his diamond sword attack were alright.
Really pissed that they won't be finishing Hellsing Ultimate. I've really been enjoying it, and it's easily been the highlight of Toonami for me in the past few weeks.
Don't really care for InuYasha, but it's nice that Final Act has finally made its way on AS.
it's been the highlight for me as well but the internet will fix that for me.
the credits from the last two episodes of hellsing ultimate that toonami were incredible. especially the one from two sundays ago. i really loved that one.
Good news, Rynnec and GSF! Toonami will be airing the last two episodes of Hellsing Ultimate after all! Every week for the month of december, Toonami will be showing two movies, and the first two weeks, those "movies" will be the final two episodes of Hellsing Ultimate. (http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/102102142900/movie-time-announcement) Yay for Hellsing fans!
Here's the planned dates for the movies airing on the block this December:
December 6th – Hellsing Ultimate 9 and Summer Wars
December 13th – Hellsing Ultimate 10 and Fullmetal Alchemist: The Sacred Star of Milos
December 20th – Dragonball Z: Broly – The Legendary Super Saiyan and Akira
December 27th – Evangelion 1.11 and Evangelion 2.22
Not...that interested in any of this, since what I do like here has already aired on the block before and I have no interest in staying up just to see them again, but hey, it's not a bad selection by any means, either. I guess a lot of the block is going to be pre-emptied for a while to air all this, though. Like, it averages around 4 hours every week. I have to wonder if they will really pre-empty Kai so soon after they've started airing it, so I'm more expecting all this to start at 1am each week, but I guess we'll have to see about that.
i could almost kiss you, cx! i am interested in seeing sacred star of milos, i love broly and i might check out summer wars.
I am disappointed in the movie line-up. The only one of those that I haven't seen is the FMA one, which I couldn't care less about. As much as I adore Summer Wars, I was hoping that Wolf Children could get a chance to shine, and this would have been a good time to air One Piece Strong World or Film Z (unless Toonami already aired those, which if they did, I totally didn't even know about it).
So many missed opportunities here, but I guess I can't totally blame them given their limited budget.
so he doesn't say special beam cannon anymore?
it was nice seeing all of dragon soul. i forgot they showed clips of dragonball in the first episode. also, i am just really thinking about how messed up it is that frieza destroyed both planet vegeta and namek.
Your uncut broadcast of DBZ Kai is about to get a whole lot worse. (http://www.dragonballinsider.com/2014/11/09/toonami-airs-dbz-kai-yamamoto-score) We apologize for this inconvenience.
And its all YOUR fault too!
is hellsing coming on tonight?
No. It won't be back until December.
yes!!!!
This is the schedule starting with the new year.
11:30 - Attack on Titan
12:00 - DBZ Kai
12:30 - Naruto Shippuden
01:00 - Inuyasha Final Act
01:30 - One Piece
02:00 - Gurren Lagann
02:30 - Deadman Wonderland
03:00 - Bleach
03:30 - Space Dandy
04:00 - Cowboy Bebop (starting with eps 1, HD)
04:30 - Ghost in the Shell 2nd Gig
05:00 - IGPX
05:30 - Samurai Jack
Huh, who wanted Deadman Wonderland back on? But it's a cool bonus to have Toonami air the Bebop remaster. That should definitely be worth a look.
i will try to get back into inuyasha again. a week or two they had one of those boring ass "kagomi goes back home" episodes and i quickly gave up watching it.
Quote from: gunswordfist on December 05, 2014, 05:20:29 PM
i will try to get back into inuyasha again. a week or two they had one of those boring ass "kagomi goes back home" episodes and i quickly gave up watching it.
Uh...no they didn't. If the episode you're talking about is the one I think....that was just the first three minutes of the episode. The rest was important plot-related stuff. One of the main villains died at the end of the episode. Also, if you didn't watch any episodes since then...you also missed the death of another major character, so...yeah, :P
Anyway, pleased seeing Final Act move up, but don't see why they don't also just switch Kai and Titan considering Kai is routinely beating it, but whateves. Also don't understand why DW is back of all fucking shows. Why didn't they just get something else? Bleach still being on the lineup is also kinda depressing since I thought the reruns were only a temporary thing because of the Hellsing Ultimate debacle, but alas. Overall, not a great lineup for me, but at least I'll be able to enjoy that 1am-2:30 am stuff for a while.
EDIT: I just noticed...this means that FMA: Brotherhood is finally leaving the block. In that case, I guess DW is a temporary replacement for it, or something. Maybe they're planning to cycle through all their previous short FUNi acquisitions since the block came back? That'd be interesting, if true.
that shows how fast i lost interest. :p
I really hope Toonami airs the OVA episode this time. That would be the only way to make this show's return worthwhile, since it's at least something new.
i am liking the family so far.
yep, i like the family. i like all the time spent in the real world.
The end of that game was corny.
that was a pretty good movie. i haven't bothered sitting through an entire anime movie since fusion reborn. lol
i might miss hellsing tonight. dammit.
whoa, the elrics are pretty out of character. they walk right up next to a soldier that gets killed by ice spikes and don't as much as look at him. they literally acted like the girl's life was the only important one. this reminds me of reading a review for the all-star superman movie where the writer said a few frozen prisoners got killed by parasite and superman ignored them to go save luthor. also, one guy recently died that ed was talking to and then about a dozen more people got killed by the same chimera but ed just went on about the same one guy. the hell?
that was one generic villain/plot twist. and they decided to bring winry to a warzone because...?
Quote from: gunswordfist on December 14, 2014, 02:30:11 AMand they decided to bring winry to a warzone because...?
So she can repair/upgrade Ed's automail.
The writers didn't really utilize that, though, so she just wound up being superfluous in this movie.
it was actually just a checkup. she didn't even know ed ruined his automail again (hence her not having the right parts). my point really is way before they got there, way before things got worse, they knew people were getting killed left and right. not the ideal place to bring a teenage civilian. lol
yay broly. i'll probably skip akira though.
It had Cha-la Head Cha-la,. 10/10
Unfortunately it has no Pantera, so ultimately it's back to 0/10
ugh at no pantera. seriously. cooler not having the us ost was bad enough. also, roshi saying he's drunk reminds me that i have never s..whoa that alien kid got whipped hard..seen this movie uncut.
oops, did i blow it up? his urkel moment is probably the greatest part of the movie.
i will watch all of akira after all. it has been 10 or more years. i always did like the bike scene in this boring movie. i DEFINITELY will be skipping nge though.
akira is a lot better than i remember. also, i really really hate tetsuo.
You know what Toonami should have done last night?
Air the Streamline dub as a sick prank. :happytime:
there's always april.
this month of movies went surprisingly well. i have two new additions to my anime movie top ten.
how long is this stupid ass eva film? between this and that dumbass johnny test xmas marathon, this has been the worst week cn has had for at least a few months back.
Quote from: gunswordfist on December 27, 2014, 11:27:38 PMhow long is this stupid ass eva film?
They're both 2½ hours long each.
both? there's two of them?..whoa, i actually thought they changed the name of one movie just to be funny. seriously. i mostly tuned the promo out by the time they got to the 1.11 angelical part.
There is a 3rd one, but FUNi hasn't gotten around to dubbing that just yet.
And given Foggle's review, some people aren't thirsting for it to get dubbed anytime soon. (http://animationrevelation.com/readables/?p=934)
i'll read anything that puts nge in a bad light.
is this episode of bebop in hd? it's looking more beautiful than ever.
Quote from: gunswordfist on January 04, 2015, 03:08:52 AM
is this episode of bebop in hd? it's looking more beautiful than ever.
Yes it was!
:) my tv is far from great but the visuals were practically popping out of the screen.
i forgot how funny goku's first meeting of king kai was.
Kill la Kill is coming to Toonami on Febuary 7!!! (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-01-16/kill-la-kill-to-run-on-toonami-starting-in-february/.83374)
:shakeshakeshake:
And in the 11:30pm timeslot to boot! Excellent! ;D
Damnit! It just HAD to be at a time that I don't have cable TV. :imnothappy:
Oh well, hopefully the dub does well on the block.
Episode 16 will either make or break 11:30.
For the foreseeable future, Toonami is losing the 5 AM hour. (http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/108934242548/line-up-changes-effective-tomorrow)
Who honestly watched it at 5 AM?
Quote from: Daxdiv on January 23, 2015, 04:45:17 PM
For the foreseeable future, Toonami is losing the 5 AM hour. (http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/108934242548/line-up-changes-effective-tomorrow)
Who honestly watched it at 5 AM?
*raises hand*
It was only for
Samurai Jack, though.
Losing an hour is certainly not a good thing, but at least it's an hour at the end of the night than at the beginning. I just hope KLK's timeslot doesn't get pushed back much farther thanks to this shake-up.
goku just finished the last time he'll ever trained under someone else. a very important moment.
Toonami had a Q&A today.
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fz905e46.jpg&hash=8916f6f1da5686dc2f03cab94a20ec81f9ebb4f3)
Good to hear they dropped Death Note. It wouldn't have made much sense.
Another important one I saw was how Toonami admitted that starting off with reruns of Attack on Titan hurt the block more than it helped. Makes sense to me.
They made a huge blunder keeping AoT reruns at the start of the block. Why the higher-ups forced that decision on them instead of having them do the obvious thing and put Kai as the front-runner is beyond me. Bleach reruns didn't do well at the start of the block, neither did Dandy reruns, so what made them think Titan reruns were going to do much better?
My theory is because AoT is this generation's "babby's first anime" much like how DBZ was back in the day. That could go for SAO as well, but AoT probably had the advantage of airing earlier in the block and FUNi dominating the block as well. Maybe a higher up at Turner caught wind of how AoT is the cool new things kids are into these days and wanted to capitalize on that.
The labor day marathon did admittedly do pretty well too. Still, it's clear now no matter how big the show is, reruns leading off Toonami just never works out.
Quote from: Cartoon X on January 25, 2015, 04:02:35 PMThey made a huge blunder keeping AoT reruns at the start of the block. Why the higher-ups forced that decision on them instead of having them do the obvious thing and put Kai as the front-runner is beyond me.
They weren't forced to do it; it was their choice. They stuck with
AoT reruns instead of a new show because the budget was running low.
They didn't stick
Kai in at 11:30 since it was a long-running show. Which would you rather have at the start of the block: a long-running shonen that'll last a few years (remember,
Bleach used to headline the block for the longest time) or something fresh they can rotate once in a while?
QuoteBleach reruns didn't do well at the start of the block, neither did Dandy reruns, so what made them think Titan reruns were going to do much better?
AoT reruns WERE doing well. Even when they dipped below a million, they were still pulling in 900k quite nicely.
It's the shows at 5AM, not
AoT, that were doing poorly. (http://toonamifaithful.com/toonami-ratings-for-january-17th-2015) That's why they're dropping that hour.
The ratings always crater around 1am, and this was before Titan reruns started leading off.
Quote from: Daikun on January 25, 2015, 05:12:48 PM
They weren't forced to do it; it was their choice. They stuck with AoT reruns instead of a new show because the budget was running low.
They didn't stick Kai in at 11:30 since it was a long-running show. Which would you rather have at the start of the block: a long-running shonen that'll last a few years (remember, Bleach used to headline the block for the longest time) or something fresh they can rotate once in a while?
I recall DeMarco saying something about them being told to keep Titan at 11:30 because the programmers thought that'd be best. I don't see them not putting Kai at the front just because it's a long running show as one of their reasons, exactly because they were content with Bleach leading the block for all the time that it did.
Looking at the ratings for the past few months, I concede I was wrong about Titan's reruns. It does tend to be around the 1am hour where the block drags down. Maybe there's something else airing around that time that's taking viewers away.
Kill la Kill's new premiere time is now at 12:30am (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-briefs/2015-01-27/kill-la-kill-toonami-premiere-time-set/.83760).
shit. (http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/109334851853/ch-ch-ch-changes)
gg no re ff.
You've earned this shotards.
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So the entire back half portion of the block is being cut. It's not a great thing, but honestly....who really cares? They never used the time they had past 3am for anything but reruns of shows they've already played multiple times to begin with, and they don't have much of a backlog either. If anything, losing all that dead weight makes this a more leaner and efficient viewing experience. Now if only they could get rid of Shippuden...
disagree. toonami losing that much air time sucks and shippuden better stay.
This is total bullshit. Saturday is the only time where Adult Swim can do anything unique. Do we really need more goddamn Fox reruns?
daikun wins the internet.
http://ask.fm/Clarknova/answer/123850339817
Wow... we totally did not see this coming...
this episode of inuyasha is making me nostalgic.
For anyone who wants to know the Toonami crew's perspective on the block losing time (as well as multiple hints about the content of Intruder 2), you can listen to this recent podcast featuring an interview with DeMarco. (http://podcast.toonamifaithful.com/toonami-faithful-exclusive-17-jason-demarcos-state-of-toonami-address-2015/)
Basically the Toonami crew is actually relieved to lose the hours that they did because of all the complications with the schedule they faced last year and how time-consuming it is to make packaging content for a six and a half hour block. Also Toonami's relevance to the network and it's budget hasn't been affected, so there's no reason to really worry about it.
whoa, that kill la kill promo was amazing! especially the ending! i will never watch more than one episode of the show.
SAO2 is coming on March 28th. (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-02-14/sword-art-online-ii-english-dub-to-run-on-toonami/.84458) Like anyone is surprised.
ANN is down. Alt link, please?
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YOU COULD HAVE HAD MAGI TOONAMI...
i have not enjoyed a saiyan saga episode this much in a long time. I love watching krillin work with gohan. Gohan/krillin/piccolo is probably my favorite team in the show.
Also, you got to love Nappa's lines. "I HATE THE MEDIA!!!" *eye beam bombs everyone* "FIVE-FIVE THOUSAND?!!!" "Hey, you'd smell too if you spent a year in a space pod!"
I think I like him more after today.
DBZ Kai is now getting an extra slot on [adult swim]. (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/daily-briefs/2015-02-19/dragon-ball-z-kai-gets-an-extra-slot-on-adult-swim/.85176) It will now also air saturdays at 8pm, which will be a rerun of last week's episode and not be considered a part of Toonami.
Well this is strange. If they wanted to give Kai another slot why not just give it 11:30? Or, if they just wanted to make up for their poor ratings in the 8pm hour, why not just give Toonami that entire hour on Saturdays instead of just Kai? Maybe that could happen if Kai gets successful ratings there.
oh whoa, i really loved how the attack that killed piccolo looked. i forgot all about piccolo's last words. that was sad. so was goku coming back only to see half his friends dead. vegeta wasn't that loud when he said over 8000. i would know, i turned my tv up loud just for that part. lol and the vegeta fight is up next. so far i am liking the arc and characters better than even nostalgia has me remembering.
Personally, it's still my favorite DBZ arc. I love how Goku, Gohan, and Krillin have to work together to stop Vegeta, rather than just a traditional one-on-one fight.
i am starting to see why.
also, i have to get used to goku cussing. besides a few youtube clips, that has been the first time i've seen dbz uncut.
An official Toonami podcast is coming. (https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/570014441292627968)
QuoteGill & I are putting together a one hour Livestream weekly Toonami show. We need your help, too!
It will be about an hour long, and we'll have one new episode every week. We'll talk anime, video games, cons, do interviews, and more.
More info is provided on the Tumblr. (http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/111898396212/we-need-your-help)
EDIT: Watch it here. (http://www.adultswim.com/videos/astv/toonami-pre-flight)
I have been really liking One Piece. I almost never laugh at anime and the recently aired episodes have been making me laugh on a decent basis with their combination of wackiness and slapstick comedy/action. I'm also really liking the square guy, the wolf guy that keeps laughing at him and the Kabuki guy.
One Piece will now re-run at 8:30pm on saturdays, after DBZ Kai. (https://mobile.twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/573252232340242432)
Wow, I was not expecting that. I'd be curious to see whether those reruns do better there than the premiere do in late-nights.
Please be a sign they're putting Toonami back at where it was before it left. I haven't been able to keep with Toonami because I've been trying to get back to church, plus a lot more people would be able to watch it anyway.
This is just an experiment for now, but if it goes well they might consider moving the block into earlier hours.
Oh nice, right after my post! This benefits me, even though I'll stop watching to marathon the entire (non-filler) series eventually.
I suggest reading through the manga rather than marathoning through the anime, myself. You'll get through it quicker and it's just a much better experience overall.
No, dammit. I saw you saying that coming. lol :D Anyway, it's easier to just bum off my brother's crunchyroll app then to read the books.
I hope the experiment is successful. The ratings depleted pretty hard to the point that AS shaved off the latter half of the schedule. A lot of people do their partying on Friday nights, not Saturdays. Filling up the earlier slots on Saturdays now that AS is earlier should lead to good results.
I didn't know (...or hell, forgot, idk) that their rating were sinking.
I did marathon the anime first, and then came to the manga after that. I feel that the anime was fine until it got ridiculously slow-paced with Water Seven and onward. The manga is certainly the better overall experience, though.
Anyways, I wanted to point out how funny it is to hear GSF complementing OP after bashing it for years just because he thought it looked stupid. My how the times have changed. :>
I still enjoy watching the pre-HD episodes of the anime (aka episodes 1-206). The episodes after that I find hard to watch these days because of their slow pace and increasingly worse animation and production values.
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on March 04, 2015, 11:41:08 PM
I did marathon the anime first, and then came to the manga after that. I feel that the anime was fine until it got ridiculously slow-paced with Water Seven and onward. The manga is certainly the better overall experience, though.
Anyways, I wanted to point out how funny it us to hear GSF complementing OP after bashing it for years just because he thought it looked stupid. My how the times have changed. :>
Why does your good memory work when I do not need it to? :thinkin: One Piece's designs really have grown on me in just weeks. I genuinely like the show's look now. It helps that it's not being viewed on shitty '00s Saturday morning network television quality and no criminally bad Sanji voice acting. Seriously, his 4Kids actor needs to literally be jailed. Just throwing that out there.
Anyway, hell I might be reading the manga by this time next year.
Yeah, I do feel like 4Kids is responsible for some irreparable damage in terms of how tons of people perceive the series, regardless of FUNimation's quality dub. It's the same as how people perceive the entire Dragon Ball franchise based on the very lopsided quality of DBZ in combination with very badly done early English dubs. It doesn't matter that FUNimation got it done right with Kai. The damage was already done.
All true. In One Piece's case weirdness mixed with bad video quality and even worse voice acting was NOT a good combination. It wasn't even laughably bad, just bad.
Also a couple of notable things about One Piece:
-Oda had the basic outline of the story planned out from before starting it, thus this is one of the few long-running shonen where it's not actually all just being made up on the spot. A lot of plot points that may seem random or irrelevant or that you may not have even noticed early on have a tendency to come back for big payoff scenes hundreds of chapters/episodes down the line. And it's not retconning either, since Oda specifically puts visual or dialogue clues in earlier scenes.
-Along Park is the first really good arc, IMO, so it's a bit of a slow burn to that point, but then comes stuff like Baroque Works, CP9, and the whole Whitebeard War saga, which are among the greatest story-lines in all of shonen manga, IMO.
-And then the series goes downhill after that, so 3D2Y may be a good jumping off point if you don't want to be reading this series forever.
It's definitely not as good as it used to be, but it's still fine for the most part. Fishman Island sucks, but I thought Punk Hazard was good and it's held up for me on re-reads, and while Dressrosa has been inconsistent it's still had it's good moments. It's hardly become drop-worthy bad, imo.
I remember hearing you say Oda planned out the series before it started, which is as crazy as it sounds. Of course, I still wish more/all mangaka did that with long running series, though.
I think it's still a bit too lopsided in quality. Dressrossa is better than the last two arcs for what it gets right, IMO, but stuff like Rebecca's sudden dependence on her father for protection, botching up Sabo's big reveal, having Big Mom intervene only to do nothing with that plot point (that's one that Oda should definitely have paid off sooner if he was going to bother even introducing it in the first place), and Usopp's horrible OOC moment just don't sit well with me. That last one in particular I still haven't completely forgiven Oda for. I believe his amazing scene several chapters later was like an apology letter from Oda to the fans for that whole fiasco. :D
Also, I think that we can both agree that Dressrossa has been going on for too long, now. Let's get to the Big Mom, Kaido, and Vegapunk plots. The last one in particular has been built up for a while, and popular fan theory is that VP may actually be a good guy who ends up helping the Straw Hat Pirates in some way.
I wonder if he planned the uneven quality that far in advance? :D
But, yes, the 4Kids dub did a LOT of damage to the series. I actually sat through the dub when it was on in order to watch the series legally, and it was really tough. And the dub didn't get better as it went along, it actually got worse. The voice acting in Alabasta is some of the worst dubbing I've ever heard in my life. That said, Zoro was pretty good. But then, he was the only voice actor who had seen the show before. The other actors were encouraged not to watch it and as a result completely whiffed their roles.
It was a shame when FUNi finally got the dub on Toonami that they pulled it not long after. It just wasn't enough to bring people back.
Yeah, Marc Diraison's Zoro was easily the best performance in the 4Kids dub. The worst, of course, was Sanji's. I still don't know what they were on when they came up with that voice for him.
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on March 05, 2015, 11:45:07 AM
I think it's still a bit too lopsided in quality. Dressrossa is better than the last two arcs for what it gets right, IMO, but stuff like Rebecca's sudden dependence on her father for protection, botching up Sabo's big reveal, having Big Mom intervene only to do nothing with that plot point (that's one that Oda should definitely have paid off sooner if he was going to bother even introducing it in the first place), and Usopp's horrible OOC moment just don't sit well with me.
I agree that those were all very misdone moments (Ussop's in particular genuinely infuriated me and still leaves a bitter taste even now), but I still find enough good storytelling like Law and Doflamingo's backstory and certain moments here and there like the coliseum stuff before Sabo's reveal, Franky's fight with Mr. Pink, and a lot of the recent conclusions to the battles with the Donquixote executives to be enjoyable and well done. I haven't been able to get excited about reading OP for a while, but there's still been good parts to this arc that I can appreciate, and the bad aspects haven't completely undermined those for me.
But yes, I agree it has gone on too long. At 80+ chapters, this has been the longest arc in OP so far and I'm glad to see things finally winding down. I would like to get back to the other plot threads as well, especially the Big Mom thing (it baffles me that Nami, Chopper, Brook, and Sanji have been written out of the series for over a year at this point.)
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on March 05, 2015, 01:38:57 PMI wonder if he planned the uneven quality that far in advance? :D
Well, if the manga ever gets back to its former level of quality, then that'd mean that Oda just pulled the comic book equivalent of "New Coke to Classic Coke," which would have to be a plan. :lol:
Of course, he did originally plan for OP to last for 5 years, which would mean that it would have originally ended in 2002 or 2003 at the latest. So, he's only overshot his estimated runtime by about....12 years....so far....
Yes, perhaps the fact that the series has been running for over three times longer than he originally anticipated may have something to do with these likely unforseen drops in quality.
O.o The series started in the 90s? that I did not know.
As for Dressrossa, I did say that I enjoy it for the moments that it does get right, such as the ones that you mentioned. The reason that I call the quality lopsided is because of the moments that really bug me, such as the ones that I mentioned in a previous post.
Quote from: gunswordfist on March 05, 2015, 02:02:47 PM
O.o The series started in the 90s? that I did not know.
The serialization of the manga began in '97 (the first version of the original one-shot was in '95 or '96). Until that point, Oda got part-time work as an assistant artist to other mangaka, including Nobuhiro Watsuki on Rurouni Kenshin, which has the now iconic Straw Hat Pirates logo appear in the manga as a tribute to the then newly launched One Piece.
The anime began airing in '99, but in '98 there was an OVA adaptation of the original one-shot, where the lead female character was voiced by Oda's (now) wife.
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on March 05, 2015, 02:09:10 PM
Quote from: gunswordfist on March 05, 2015, 02:02:47 PM
O.o The series started in the 90s? that I did not know.
The serialization of the manga began in '97 (the first version of the original one-shot was in '95 or '96). Until that point, Oda got part-time work as an assistant artist to other mangaka, including Nobuhiro Watsuki on Rurouni Kenshin, which has the now iconic Straw Hat Pirates logo appear in the manga as a tribute to the then newly launched One Piece.
The anime began airing in '99, but in '98 there was an OVA adaptation of the original one-shot, where the lead female character was voiced by Oda's (now) wife.
Oh, so he was still working on Rurouni Kenshin when One Piece came out? I thought/assumed he made the Straw Hat logo on Gein's bomb and decided to use it in his series...just because.
No, he wouldn't have had the time to do a full series of his own and be an assistant. He had already done two one-shots and had the series conceptualized with his editor in the planning stages before it actually came out.
Ah, I see.
I was really enjoying watching half of that One Piece replay that's probably still on. Couldn't tear myself away from watching it until the commercials came. I missed the DBZ replay due to a shower but they'll probably have me as a regular viewer for this rerun hour.
I'd be happier about that if SAO wasn't taking it's place at 1. Good that Final Act has kept it's spot, though.
Why is One Piece still on so late. :burn:
Because it's ratings as of late have been unfortunately mediocre. But hey, at least it's got a rerun slot in primetime now.
The Tumblr Q&As are effectively cancelled. (http://ask.fm/Clarknova/answer/125630295273)
Good. Now we won't have a bunch of morons asking the same shit every month.
The Q&A sessions will be on their podcast (http://ask.fm/Clarknova/answer/125632890345) from now on.
I loved badgering them about Hamtaro. :(
I love how nostalgiaboos are bending over backwards trying to get them to air Sailor Moon Crystal. Considering I doubt they've even watched the show, a rude awakening is imminent.
I wish I paid attention to the screen during the first minute of the One Piece episode they showed yesterday. I was too busy on my laptop because I pretty much assumed they would be showing filler..and then I caught the end of one of my favorite CP9 members getting owned. :( :D I didn't even see him get tossed until a commercial break showed it.
Toonami will have a Kill la Kill marathon on Memorial Day weekend (5/23). (http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/117698189703/memorial-day-kill-la-kill-marathon)
The schedule will be as follows:
12:00 - DBZ Kai
12:30 - Kill la Kill # 10
01:00 - Kill la Kill # 11
01:30 - Kill la Kill # 12
02:00 - Kill la Kill # 13
02:30 - Kill la Kill # 14
03:00 - Kill la Kill # 15
MomoCon panel on right now! (http://adultswim.com/preflight)
Announcements:
-Sentai Filmworks finally joins Toonami! :zonk: Akame Ga Kill announced!
-Michiko & Hatchin replaces Inuyasha: The Final Act.
-An official Toonami app is coming.
-The Intruder 2 premieres in October.
Parasyte is coming to Toonami! (https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/616639624824406016)
I'm surprised Sentai got two slots on Toonami so quickly. I hope that they will eventually air Rin-ne.
Nice get. This reminds me that I need to get around to finally finish watching the anime sometime soon.
Nice! I stopped on episode 4 of the sub, but I'm pretty excited to give the dub a shot.
It'll give me something to watch on Toonami. It's been a while since I have.
Sailor Moon Crystal has no chance of coming to Toonami. (https://mobile.twitter.com/myanimewaifu/status/617041393106710528)
Guess we dodged a bullet there.
Quote from: Daikun on July 03, 2015, 05:14:24 PM
Sailor Moon Crystal has no chance of coming to Toonami. (https://mobile.twitter.com/myanimewaifu/status/617041393106710528)
Guess we dodged a bullet there.
Don't care one way or the other there. Would love to have the re-dub though.
Good. Only nostalgia fags wanted Crystal...until they watched it.
Toonami is previewing Resurrection F on August 1! (https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/622250720121585669)
Check out this survey. (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/19qS1OUE03URuA2dfNoApsmBPZ00H3zkFYri7lvpd1KQ/viewform) It's only a fan-based one, but it's really inclusive!
If you want to know my choices, I went with
Kurama
Hawkgirl
Char Aznable
Ryo-Ohki
Unit 02
Dragon of the Darkness Flame
Yusuke vs. Sensui (ALMOST went with Supes vs. Darkseid, though)
TOM 2.0
Sara v2.0
GPS Absolution mk.II
The Intruder (voted for twice)
Skipped the music video choices, since I'm rusty
Batman: Mask of the Phantasm
Batman: The Animated Series
Neat survey, and good choices, Avaitor! As for myself, I went:
Don Patch (Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo)
Major Motoko Kusanagi (Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex)
Shinobu Sensui (Yu Yu Hakusho)
Pikachu (Pokemon)
MEGAS (Megas XLR)
Fist of the Nose Hair (Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo)
Goku vs. Piccolo (Dragon Ball)
TOM 3.0
SARA v2.0
GPS Absolution mk.II
A Month of Miyazaki
The Intruder
Mad Rhetoric (Walking Stick)
Batman: Mask of the Phantasm
Cowboy Bebop
Good choices, guys!
I might list all of my choices later, but picking a favorite fight was absolutely brutal for me. I settled on Yusuke vs. Sensui, but there were a ton of other possibilities.
Also, I was super close to listing MEGAS as my favorite mech, and was also tempted to vote for Big O, but I ultimately settled on the Liger Zero because of how interesting its armor swaps are.
Yusuke
Hawkgirl
Two-Face
Newton/Octus -couldn't think of anyone else and I got shivers thinking about He-Man and TC type characters. why's Shenron listed as a freaking sidekick?
Dragon of the Darkness Flame
Kenshin Vs. Saito - I almost picked one of the two best Jack Vs. Aku fights but then saw this and remembered it's probably my 2nd fav. animated fight
Tom 5.0 - Pretty much a place holder. I don't pay too much attention to his changes. Is he the same since the start of this year?
Sara 3.0 - See above
GPS Absolution mk. III - See above, dammit, idk
Month of Movies: December 2014 (Akira, Dragon Ball Z: Broly - The Legendary Super Saiyan, Evangelion: 1.11 You Are (Not) Alone, Evangelion: 2.22 You Can (Not) Advance, Fullmetal Alchemist: The Sacred Star of Milos, Summer Wars and Hellsing Ultimate IX and X.) - Fuck yeah! Even though I missed most of Hellsing. It made two movies my two current favorite animated films though(Whoa :o I don't remember/missed this. April Fools 2002/Joker's Day (Batman: TAS x4 and Joker hosting))
The Intruder - Picked him/it because it's the only name I recognized, lol
I wanted to pick Amon Tobin...I recognize nothing else, lol
Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood
Jesus Christ Toonami. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJGmvyH7EMM)
I see Toonami hasn't gotten any less stupid.
That was a parody video that one of their editors made for fun and was first shown on pre-flight. It never aired on tv as a legit Toonami speech.
No, let's ask Toonami to be canceled over this instead. :thinkin:
I think it's funny. Silly, but funny.
Quote from: Cartoon X on July 30, 2015, 04:10:35 PM
That was a parody video that one of their editors made for fun and was first shown on pre-flight. It never aired on tv as a legit Toonami speech.
I don't care if he made it for fun. It's still stupid. :humhumhum:
This is another favorite. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZLeTkdlvzs)
Quote from: Avaitor on July 30, 2015, 04:47:56 PM
This is another favorite. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZLeTkdlvzs)
Toonami should be canceled over this.
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thecoli.com%2Fstyles%2Fdefault%2Fxenforo%2Fsmilies%2Fduckr.png&hash=f39d13b54ec43f33422be8580c38d780ec533342)
:sly:
Last week's episode of Dragon Ball Z Kai got over 2 million viewers and was the #1 cable program of the night. (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/08/11/saturday-cable-ratings-dragon-ball-z-kai-tops-night-akame-ga-kill-mitchiko-hatchin-power-sword-art-online-mroe/446212/) Akame ga Kill's premiere episode was the second highest rated and got over 1.8 million viewers.
Damn, that's impressive! I wonder why so many people were watching the block last week? Maybe the good press for ROF revitalized public interest in DBZ again? Either way, though these numbers are sure to be anomalous, it's cool to see the block pull in these kinds of numbers, even for the shows that I really don't care for.
EDIT: Here are the full ratings for last week ftr (http://www.tvmediainsights.com/tv-ratings/saturday-final-nationals-power-hits-series-high-among-adults-18-49-dragon-ball-z-kai-delivers-record-high-toonami-telecast/):
12:00a: Dragon Ball Z Kai - 2,015,000
12:30a: Akame Ga Kill - 1,822,000
1:00a: Michiko & Hatchin - 1,464,000
1:30a: Sword Art Online - 1,190,000
2:00a: Naruto: Shippuden - 1,049,000
2:30a: One Piece - 850,000
3:00a: Attack On Titan (r) - 917,000
Only the first half of the block got particularly unusual ratings, as the last half's are pretty common of it. Ouch for OP, though; even on an above average night for the block, it still can't catch a break.
One Piece deserves better. Also, while it probably doesn't matter, which episode of Kai was it?
The episode where they defeated Captain Ginyu and summoned Porunga.
I wouldn't be surprised if the key episodes of the Freeza fight manage to do as well or better.
Not bad.
I really hope those Frieza episodes do do better ratings.
There will be a Mitchiko & Hatchin marathon on September 5th. (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/photos/a.1442483259375850.1073741828.1440408039583372/1508782559412586) The lineup will be as follows:
12:00am – Michiko & Hatchin 4
12:30am – Michiko & Hatchin 5
1:00am – Michiko & Hatchin 6
1:30am – Michiko & Hatchin 7
2:00am – Michiko & Hatchin 8
2:30am – Michiko & Hatchin 9
3:00am – Michiko & Hatchin 10
No doubt that DBZ got a huge boost thanks to the new movie renewing public interest.
Was DBZK on Toonami last year back when BOG was released in theaters? If so, I'd be curious to see if that also gave it a boost in ratings.
At any rate, I'm glad to see that the DB franchise has been doing so well, lately. Putting the last episode of Super aside, they've done a good job of breathing life back into the series with some genuine, loving effort. BOG and ROF actually got me invested into seeing where the post-manga series will head from here. Now they just need to let it evolve a bit for a modern audience....but it's Toei, so I'm really worried.
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on August 15, 2015, 12:44:45 AMWas DBZK on Toonami last year back when BOG was released in theaters? If so, I'd be curious to see if that also gave it a boost in ratings.
No. We had to wait for
Bleach to slog through its remaining episodes first (there was about 10 episodes left).
As far as DBKai is concerned, I do wonder how much the 8 PM showing does rating wise. I assume it does pretty well considering how long it's been there. Didn't it start on like the 8th or 9th episode or something?
But man, the 90s nostalgia for Dragon Ball must be pretty strong right now, I'm kinda happy with that in a sense. We did get that pretty killer video game in Xenoverse as well.
So Xenoverse is good? Man, this is making me want to catch up faster now.
The reviews for the game were pretty mixed to lukewarm, but fans seem to love it. I'm a bit too spoiled by good action games, and I'm also not a fan of games with an MMO set-up, so I doubt that I'd really be into the game, myself.
At any rate, there's not too much to catch up on, yet. There's the two movies, BOG and ROF, and Super, which is still stuck retelling the story of BOG so far. There's also JTGP, which is an optional read.
Just watch TeamFourStar's playthrough if you want to see what Xenoverse is like.
I assumed it was a fighting game. :-[
I hope its early slot does well enough to convince Adult Swim to expand Toonami into the earlier hours. I'm a morning person, and I still go to church so I hope it happens soon. I imagine there are plenty of people who party on Saturday nights who would watch if it were earlier too.
We've been able to see the ratings for the 8pm Kai ever since it was put there. It often beats the show after it, and otherwise does comparable to what a FOX comedy would do in that slot, so it's place there is secure. What's put the squash on airing more anime earlier is the failure of putting One Piece at 8:30 back in March.
At best, if the first hour of Toonami is consistently tops for [as] every saturday night, it might take the 11pm hour. Even then, that's assuming that it has at least two shows that do well enough to justify that. I don't care for AGK, but if it's performance on the block continues to be as strong as what it's premiere got, then that'd be a huge help in getting Toonami that 11pm hour, or at least reclaiming 11:30pm.
Frankly, I'd just like to see Toonami get 3:30 back. It's just such a weird time to end the block, and whatever AS show that airs in that slot does poorly in comparison to 3:00.
A Toonami marathon stream has been set up on [adult swim] video, replacing the formerly 24/7 stream of Toonami Pre-Flight. (http://www.adultswim.com/videos/streams/toonami)
Here's the schedule:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNSdlG8VEAAvG6s.jpg)
Announcements from Dragon Con.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COLFOw1VAAAiLhP.jpg)
As nice-looking as Michiko and Hatchin is, I just don't find it interesting. Completely forgot about this marathon and now I'm kind of bummed it's on all night.
Definitely excited for Parasyte, and curious about the app. I'm also interested in Intruder 2, but I'll probably forget about it.
I love Michiko and Hatchin, but these Toonami marathons are going to be the death of the block.
Personally, I don't mind the marathons. Especially since most of these shows probably won't be re-run after they finish their runs as it is. Though, it helps I don't get the chance to watch the block every week because of other priorities.
That said, I do hope they reserve the last two weeks of December for a movie or two instead. It's been a while since they've last shown one, and there's a lot of ones they haven't run yet that would make good fits. Maybe they can finally air Redline this year like DeMarco's wanted to do for a while now.
Turns out there won't be any movies airing this December. (http://ask.fm/Clarknova/answer/131290682857) Which most likely means....more marathons... :imnothappy:
Quote from: Cartoon X on September 09, 2015, 06:16:51 PMTurns out there won't be any movies airing this December. (http://ask.fm/Clarknova/answer/131290682857) Which most likely means....more marathons... :imnothappy:
According to DeMarco's Twitter image (scroll up), there will be only one marathon in December. The rest of the month should be normal blocks.
This week's marathon on Pre-Flight: Space Dandy! :joy:
http://www.adultswim.com/videos/streams/toonami
Parasyte promo shows off some of the dub actors. (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-09-29/toonami-parasyte-trailer-previews-english-dub/.93556)
Sounds pretty spot on to me.
I was at HHN this Saturday, so I missed the Parasyte premiere. How is the dub so far?
Feel free to skip Toonami on Halloween. (http://toonamifaithful.com/akame-ga-kill-marathon-on-saturday-october-31-with-exta-daylight-savings-episodes)
Translation: Just another Saturday on Toonami.
From the Toonami tumblr:
QuoteAnnouncement: Toonami Marathons for December
DBZ Kai Marathon – 12/19/15, Episodes 44-50
One Piece Marathon – 12/26/15, Episodes 320-326
Special Note: DBZ Kai will not be running @ 8pm from 12/5 -12/26. It will resume airing at 8pm on January 2nd 2016. You've been briefed.
Not really keen on how they've had at least one marathon every month these past 5 months. And another Kai marathon? Okay, now I have to put my foot down. Really hope they invest in some movies next year, because 7 marathons in a year, especially doing them in consecutive months, is way too much.
Wait wait, marathons for December? What in the fuck?!!! Also, have they ever shown Battle Of The Gods?
Nope, they still haven't shown BOG. It would've been a perfect opportunity to do it to promote ROF when it was showing in theaters too...
It sounds like they are still trying to live off of the hype of ROF...but without buying BOG. :whuh:
They should just swap out one of the marathons for another showing of The Room IMO.
Quote from: Foggle on November 21, 2015, 01:24:33 AM
They should just swap out one of the marathons for another showing of The Room IMO.
What is the anime equivalent of The Room anyway? Hard more: No Hentai/has to be block appropriate for Toonami.
Quote from: Daxdiv on November 21, 2015, 01:58:19 AM
Quote from: Foggle on November 21, 2015, 01:24:33 AM
They should just swap out one of the marathons for another showing of The Room IMO.
What is the anime equivalent of The Room anyway? Hard more: No Hentai/has to be block appropriate for Toonami.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmEESOXQJso
Chargeman Ken marathon!
Shoulda gone with my Yule Log ide--OH WAIT ONE PIECE MARATHON IS THE SAME DAMN THING ISN'T IT???
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on November 21, 2015, 02:10:35 AM
Quote from: Daxdiv on November 21, 2015, 01:58:19 AM
Quote from: Foggle on November 21, 2015, 01:24:33 AM
They should just swap out one of the marathons for another showing of The Room IMO.
What is the anime equivalent of The Room anyway? Hard more: No Hentai/has to be block appropriate for Toonami.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmEESOXQJso
I dunno why, but my favorite part in that video was when the annotation pointed out that the dubbers confused Malius' singing and internal monologue, so in the end he's singing his internal struggle. Not that it sounded like his singing was good to begin with, but hilarious nonetheless.
Samurai Champloo will be Michiko and Hatchin's replacement. (http://toonamifaithful.com/2004-classic-samurai-champloo-is-coming-to-toonami/)
Also, DeMarco says that they tried to get Lupin the Third: The Woman Called Fujiko Mine but were unable to due to the amount of nudity. (https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/675930284089597952)
I've been meaning to re-watch SC for a while now, so I'll probably tune in when it airs. It's a shame that they couldn't get Fujiko Mine, though. :( I hope that they try to get Blue Jacket if it's ever licensed.
Didn't afternoon Toonami have Tenchi Muyo? I usually don't care for anime with nudity but this is ridiculous. Fujiko Mine should be on Toonami.
Lupin's in Discotek's hands now. If Adventure in Italy ever gets a stateside release it'll be sub only probably.
Quote from: gunswordfist on December 13, 2015, 03:43:16 AM
Didn't afternoon Toonami have Tenchi Muyo? I usually don't care for anime with nudity but this is ridiculous. Fujiko Mine should be on Toonami.
Fujiko Mine has a significantly larger amount of uncensored nudity than Tenchi Muyo, and there some scenes in it that I can definitely see them being concerned over.
Quote from: VLordGTZ on December 13, 2015, 12:15:22 PM
Quote from: gunswordfist on December 13, 2015, 03:43:16 AM
Didn't afternoon Toonami have Tenchi Muyo? I usually don't care for anime with nudity but this is ridiculous. Fujiko Mine should be on Toonami.
Fujiko Mine has a significantly larger amount of uncensored nudity than Tenchi Muyo, and there some scenes in it that I can definitely see them being concerned over.
:SHOCK: Color me corrected. I've only seen one episode...which did have quite a bit of nudity.
Dimension W will replace Akame ga KILL! (http://www.funimation.com/blog/2016/02/12/dimension-w-on-adult-swims-toonami)
Toonami is co-producing the new FLCL series! (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-03-24/toonami-to-co-produce-2-new-flcl-seasons/.100222)
Quote from: Daikun on March 24, 2016, 04:45:36 PM
Toonami is co-producing the new FLCL series! (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-03-24/toonami-to-co-produce-2-new-flcl-seasons/.100222)
......And the slaves to nostalgia rejoice.
I am pretty nervouscited for the new FLCL. That's all I'll say for now.
I'm just excited, Quote.
I'm sure it'll be better than Ninja Slayer.
Announced just now on Pre-Flight...
Hunter x Hunter replaces Parasyte!
This is not an April Fools joke.
I was not expecting HxH to be ready this soon, but damn I'm excited!!!!
This will either be a surprise hit or the biggest bomb of all time. Frankly I'm expecting most casual fans to tune out like 13 episodes into the Hunter exam arc.
Because the only reason I'm not too ambivalent about that arc is because I marathoned it years after the fact.
Quote from: Lord Dalek on April 01, 2016, 06:53:55 PM
This will either be a surprise hit or the biggest bomb of all time. Frankly I'm expecting most casual fans to tune out like 13 episodes into the Hunter exam arc.
Because the only reason I'm not too ambivalent about that arc is because I marathoned it years after the fact.
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstream1.gifsoup.com%2Fview7%2F2594030%2Fstrangling-bart-o.gif&hash=d17d5b68cce497af2c13dcf58b7df171e84ec122)
^Hey you try watching it one episode a week and tell me its not boring as hell.
I have. Not boring as hell.
By the time Toonami finishes airing it, Togashi will have written five whole chapters.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on April 01, 2016, 10:02:08 PM
By the time Toonami finishes airing it, Togashi will have written five whole chapters.
And every member of the Phantom Troupe will have been dismembered by the next hiatus.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 01, 2016, 10:03:03 PM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on April 01, 2016, 10:02:08 PM
By the time Toonami finishes airing it, Togashi will have written five whole chapters.
And every member of the Phantom Troupe will have been dismembered by the next hiatus.
But that would require Togashi to remember Chrollo exists.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on April 01, 2016, 10:02:08 PMBy the time Toonami finishes airing it, Togashi will have written five whole chapters.
You must have a lot of faith in Togashi if you think that we'll get that many chapters in such a "short" span of time.
Quote from: Lord Dalek on April 01, 2016, 07:22:55 PM^Hey you try watching it one episode a week and tell me its not boring as hell.
If Toonami fans could put up with Bleach for hundreds of episodes (and that's AFTER the Soul Society arc, at that), I don't anticipate Hunter X Hunter being too much trouble to keep them interested. We're talking about people with pretty lofty standards to begin with. Early HXH is at least as engaging as early Naruto for that crowd.
This is, this is awesome. I am skeptical about Toonami picking up another long-running series, but at least HXH has an end date, and can bow out relatively quicker than Naruto and One Piece can. Also, it's good.
But this reminds me, I really need to finish Parasyte. I paused at episode 10, and just haven't got around to the rest of it. I keep on hearing that this is a big mistake, though.
At the very least, watching HxH week to week won't be an absolute slog like it is for One Piece and Naruto Shippuden. I'm not too concerned about how it'll do especially considering that it's a dub premiere (unlike OP and Shippuden) and the fact that there still seems to be a large amount of YYH fans in the Toonami fanbase.
Quote from: Daikun on April 01, 2016, 05:37:46 PM
Announced just now on Pre-Flight...
Hunter x Hunter replaces Parasyte!
This is not an April Fools joke.
When does it start?
Quote from: Peanutbutter on April 04, 2016, 11:19:43 PM
Quote from: Daikun on April 01, 2016, 05:37:46 PM
Announced just now on Pre-Flight...
Hunter x Hunter replaces Parasyte!
This is not an April Fools joke.
When does it start?
April 16!
Quote from: Avaitor on April 04, 2016, 11:26:49 PM
Quote from: Peanutbutter on April 04, 2016, 11:19:43 PM
Quote from: Daikun on April 01, 2016, 05:37:46 PM
Announced just now on Pre-Flight...
Hunter x Hunter replaces Parasyte!
This is not an April Fools joke.
Cool, will keep an eye out for it. Because of church, I haven't been keeping up with Toonami the last couple of years sadly. But I can use our DVR we finally got recently to record whatever good stuff it gets!
When does it start?
April 16!
Nice!
Gundam is back. (https://www.turner.com/pressroom/adult-swim-continues-capture-millennial-audiences-multi-platform-programming-slate)
Pfft, "millennial audiences".
Nice! I've really wanted to catch Iron-Blooded Orphans.
If it helps, here's an interview from the writer of Iron Blooded Orphans regarding the show's plotting and characters. (https://karice.wordpress.com/2016/05/15/p507/)
Toonami's Gundam: IBO trailer (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/videos/1603190709971770)
Wow. It's very reminiscent of their Gundam Wing trailer back in the day. They even use the same music and similar narration!
Gah, that is great!
Wow, this is airing sooner than I expected. I hope that I don't close next Saturday, so I can catch the premiere.
What's on at 12:30, DBZ Kai? Because it would be weird for me to have a half hour gap of nothing on the block.
Quote from: Avaitor on May 27, 2016, 07:30:14 PMWhat's on at 12:30, DBZ Kai? Because it would be weird for me to have a half hour gap of nothing on the block.
Oh, right. I forgot to include in my previous post (oops) that Toonami is moving back to 11:30 (http://toonamifaithful.com/breaking-news-toonami-moves-up-to-1130-pm-on-saturdays) next week.
Quote from: Daikun on May 27, 2016, 06:58:41 PM
Toonami's Gundam: IBO trailer (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/videos/1603190709971770)
Wow. It's very reminiscent of their Gundam Wing trailer back in the day. They even use the same music and similar narration!
That was a thing of beauty. Pure, undistilled nostalgia.....
Damn, I had to miss the Gundam premiere, since I was out with friends. I made it in time for HXH, though.
I want to catch up on the show before next week, but I can't find the dub up yet. If I can't in time, I'll just give the sub a watch.
Quote from: Avaitor on June 05, 2016, 11:21:00 AMI want to catch up on the show before next week, but I can't find the dub up yet. If I can't in time, I'll just give the sub a watch.
http://www.adultswim.com/videos/mobile-suit-gundam-iron-blooded-orphans
I was kind of browsing threads online to see what people were saying about the early episodes of HXH to guage how the Toonami audience was generally receiving it. The lukewarm response is about what I expected for the early material, and people give some legitimate criticisms about the beginning of the series.
Then I checked out ToonZone and I find people bitching about their being a lack of female characters....out of all of the legitimate things that they could gripe about, some people somehow single that out?
So, people have issues with a Shonen series primarily targeted at a male audience being comprised of a mostly male cast? It'd be one thing to complain about a series if it had a poor portrayal of women, but I'm utterly irritated when people think that a series should just throw in more female characters just for the sake of having them, "because otherwise it's sexist." Nevermind if it has any interesting or nuanced female characters, they just need to be there for....reasons. The irony here is that throwing in female characters just for the sake of filling out a quota is one of the most sexist things that I can think of, for people claiming that they are speaking out against sexism. I even saw a poster wondering why there weren't more female characters since it would be an easy way to get more guys to watch the show. Did they mean more female characters used as cheap fan-service? Because, personally I would have a pretty poor opinion of a fan-base that only watched a show for that reason.
Honestly, I wonder if anyone ever complained about Sailor Moon having a predominantly female cast, and featuring most of its male characters as villains, jerks, or perverts, with the exception Tuxedo Mask and maybe one or two other minor characters. Because, from what I've seen, nobody ever really seemed to call out a Shojo series targeted towards a female audience doing things that would cater to that very demographic.
The Toonami audience on 4chan's opinion on HxH varies. Some are bored because of this arc, while the majority think Kurapika's hot.
That's dumb. Everyone knows that Hisoka is the hottest HXH character. Clown-fetishes are just so in these days. :>
Funny you should mention that. Recently in Japan
Hunter X Hunter fans polled who their favorite female characters in the series were. (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-06-17/male-hunter-hunter-fans-vote-for-favorite-female-characters/.103186) These were the results.
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1. Biscuit
2. Heavens Arena 200th floor receptionist
3. Machi
4. Shizuku
4. Gon's great-grandmother
4. Mito
5. Neon Nostrade
6. Alluka Zoldyck
6. Komugi
7. "Woman B" Killed by Tserriednich
8. Elena
8. Melody (Senritsu)
9. Seiko
9. Killua's grandmother
10. Reina
10. Amane
How can people criticize the series for lacking great female characters when it's rife with such deeply characterized and memorable characters like the Heavens Arena receptionist and "Woman B"? :>
In all seriousness, it would've been nice if
Hunter X Hunter had a female protagonist that was as important as the rest of the main four, but at least the few important female characters it does have like Biscuit, Palm, Komugi, and Alluka, are well-written, which is better than having a token female protagonist that just exists for a superfluous romance subplot or fan-service.
Nobody remembers Ponzu or Palm.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on June 19, 2016, 12:11:46 AM
Nobody remembers Ponzu or Palm.
WatchMojo voters remember Ponzu. They voted her death the best in all of anime.
Here's another fun fact: in the manga, Togashi apparently purposefully kept Alluka's gender ambiguous, avoiding any terminology which directly referred to that character as exclusively male or female, so for all we know, "he" may not technically even count as a female character. :sly:
That said, how is Pakunoda missing from that list? Even as a mere supporting villain, she had a surprisingly nuanced character mini-arc during the events of Yorknew City.
Also, Melody is a pretty good female character who I'd argue is important to Kurapika's character arc (in fact, I DID argue that very thing in an article I wrote about this series a few years ago).
::EDIT::
Where the fuck are Palm and Komugi!?
Seriously, what the shit Japan!?
I always assumed Alluka was trans since Killua refers to her as his sister while Illumi refers to her as "him", showing a difference between how the two care about their younger sibling.
Shame that Cheadle or Tsubone didn't get on the list over Woman B or Receptionist too.
IIRC, in the Viz translations and Crunchyroll subs, Killua refers to Alluka as his sister, whereas the rest of the Zoldyck family refers to Alluka as a male. I believe the idea is that Alluka is biologically male, but considers herself a girl, which would make her a trans-woman, something that only Killua acknowledges because of his bond with her but the other Zoldycks ignore because they only see her as an object to be used.
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on June 19, 2016, 12:16:13 AM
Where the fuck are Palm and Komugi!?
Komugi is on the list. She's ranked #6.
So, this is my first post.
To start off, I was one of those people complaining about the lack of important female characters in HxH on Toonzone. And I still find it to be one of the few flaws of the show. I don't want female characters to be thrown on the show just because. But, I just wanted more balance among importance related to the story for female characters. Once Melody showed up, she was awesome and that was good. Then Biscuit appears and she's one of my favorite characters on the entire show, so that was good to. I still think female characters could have overall more importance, but it seems to be getting a tad better. I'm in the middle of the Chimera Ants arc and Palm just went on her "date" with Gon.
Welcome to the forums! :e_hail:
Like I said, it would've been nice if there was a female protagonist as integral as the rest of the main four. Still, the important female characters HXH does have are all very distinct, memorable, and well-written with strong characterizations and/or character arcs, which I think counts for more. It might not have as many important and well-developed female main characters as, say, Gintama, but compared to some other Shonen Jump action fare like Dragon Ball, Fist of the North Star, the first five parts of JoJo's, or even Togashi's previous series Yu Yu Hakusho, HXH still boasts significantly more nuanced female characters with integral and purposeful roles in it's story.
Quote from: LumRanmaYasha on June 19, 2016, 12:50:28 AM
Welcome to the forums! :e_hail:
Thanks.
QuoteLike I said, it would've been nice if there was a female protagonist as integral as the rest of the main four. Still, the important female characters HXH does have are all very distinct, memorable, and well-written with strong characterizations and/or character arcs, which I think counts for more. It might not have as many important and well-developed female main characters as, say, Gintama, but compared to some other Shonen Jump action fare like Dragon Ball, Fist of the North Star, the first four parts of JoJo's, or even Togashi's previous series Yu Yu Hakusho, HXH still boasts significantly more nuanced female characters with integral and purposeful roles in it's story.
I agree. I would've been nice to have a female character in the main four. But, I got to admit I'm a little bummed about how Leorio and Kurapika have been handled at times. Just kind of being sent away. I know they'll come back eventually, but still.
First of all, welcome to the board! :)
As for the topic at hand: I'm all for great female characters in my fiction. That said, my primary focus is on the overall quality and entertainment value of what I'm watching as opposed to things like gender or race. For me, I just like great characters, and oftentimes that has little to do with their biology and more to do with who they are as a person in general and what their arc is.
Personally, I find mangaka like Naoki Urasawa (among others) to be masterful at writing characters based on who they are first, with their sex or status in life coming secondary to that, which is why the cast in much of his manga tends to be so well balanced.
A good example I like to use to support my outlook, though, goes outside of the realm of manga, however is still very relevant to this topic. When you compare J. R. R. Tolkien's writings at large to those of George R. R. Martin, one tends to write stories focusing on predominantly male casts while the other has diverse casts throughout all of his books which feature all walks of life. That said, Tolkien was considered a master of his craft, as is Martin, however hardly anyone brings up how one featured a predominantly male cast while the other was more diverse, because in the end what really mattered to fans of both writers in both cases were there stories and how well they told them, and that's pretty much the outlook that I uphold on most of fiction.
Of course, I would be pissed if a series was portraying female characters or characters representing a certain class of people in a wrongful or negative light, but clearly that's not what Togashi is doing here. He just seems to write and draw characters based on what interests him, and I doubt the gender of that character really factors very much into how he writes them in the first place. If you notice, the female characters in HXH are hardly (if ever) portrayed in any overtly-sexual way. They may be female, but that fact in and of itself is largely irrelevant to who they are as people, and in that regard, they are treated with the same level of care and respect as any of Togashi's male characters.
Now, compare that to another Shonen that does have a lot of female characters but doesn't abide by that logic. Say something like History's Strongest Dsiciple Kenichi. Yes, there are a ton of female characters in that manga, and yes, many are portrayed as physically strong characters. However, with the exception of just two characters, the rest really have little to no serious weight in the story and end up becoming little more than glorified fan-service. To me, that's an obnoxious use of female characters, and personally I'd prefer a series that doesn't have many female characters but treats those that it does with a certain level of respect rather than one that has a ton of them but completely objectifies most of them as a mere method to cater to horny teenage boys.
That said, I can understand and respect your outlook on the state of female characters in a series such as HXH. The goal of this post was merely to highlight my view on the subject matter and defend my point in why I think that the series isn't inherently doing anything wrong by featuring a predominantly male cast.
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Oh, another example that I forgot to mention is Madoka Magica. As far as I can recall, the main cast is all female and the few male characters that are there have no pivotal role in the story whatsoever (unless you count Kyubey, though I can't remmeber if it was genderless or not). That said, many people enjoyed the series for its story and characters, including myself, and not once did I ever hear anyone bringing up an issue regarding its predominantly female cast, most likely for the same reason that I brought up in what I posted above. Essentially, I believe many of us just enjoyed the characters for who they were and how well their story was told in this short series. :joy:
Also, please don't get the idea that I think that Hunter X Hunter is a flawless series from my post. While I'm definitely a fan of it for what I feel that it does really well, I have also heavily criticized it for poor story decisions, awkward writing, and downright boring segments in many instances throughout its run (and I still do so for the manga, which is currently running to this day). I just don't find this particular subject matter to be one of its issues.
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on June 19, 2016, 01:12:30 AM
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That was a really good post and you had a lot of good points.
I really just want a show to have good characters. But, most shows I can think of do try to have balance when it comes to gender. I just think with HxH, it became really noticeable to me and I was wondering if a female character would ever have a real importance. And eventually they do to an extent and most of them are pretty interesting. I just feel like when you have a character that can be interesting and then you don't do anything with said character it's a waste. And in HxH case it was really only female characters at first. I had high hopes for both Ponzu and Canary. But, it didn't work out to well. Not sure if Canary ever shows up again.
Also, it's funny you brought up Madoka, since that's a show I don't really like. And when I was watching it I was a tad bummed that male characters had basically no role, except that one boy in the love triangle. But, I had bigger problems with that show than it's non use of male characters. HxH has other problems as well, but like I said, it just became noticeable until Melody showed up.
That's fair. Putting gender aside, I definitely have had problems with how HXH has handled some of its characters. That said, what ends up winning me over are the character arcs that it nails, like with Killua's gradual redemption throughout the series going from being just a cold-blooded killer to a more compassionate friend. I'm not sure how far you are yet, but there is one particular scene in the Chimera Ant arc which cements how much he's grown throughout the course of the story:
Spoiler
It's when he saves Ikalgo from falling to his death after defeating him in their encounter. Despite being his enemy, Ikalgo's refusal to sell-out his allies in exchange for his life really earns Killua's respect, and deep down he can sense that he's not a bad person. While Killua is still a killer at this point, the Kilkua from the beginning of the series would have shown no mercy to any of his enemies. But you can tell at this point that he's grown as a person and finds some level of value in life, so deciding to spare Ikalgo is a big deal in retrospect.
Meruem's character arc is probably my favorite in the series. I find him to be a rather fascinating and atypical villain.
Killua's probably my favorite character in the whole show. The last episode I watched was the one with Palm and Gon's "date" and Killua was about to fight one of the Chimera Ants. I've still got a long ways to go in this arc. I've only seen a little bit of Meruem, but he hasn't really interested me all that much yet, but like I said lots left to do in the arc.
Meruem's character development doesn't really start until well into the thick of the arc's plot. He's actually intentionally written to be a character that you hate at first. It makes his gradual growth as a more nuanced and fully realized character all the more interesting considering how he starts as a one-dimensionally evil villain in the beginning.
Hunter X Hunter marathon on July 2nd. (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/photos/a.1442483259375850.1073741828.1440408039583372/1612365022387672/?type=3&theater)
Ugh... More of this monthly marathon shit. :wth:
Up until May, they were doing so well at avoiding those.
Quote from: Daikun on June 22, 2016, 10:19:22 PM
Ugh... More of this monthly marathon shit. :wth:
Up until May, they were doing so well at avoiding those.
There weren't really any holidays from January, when they came back, through May though. I'd guess the next one will be in September.
One-Punch Man announced at Anime Expo. (UPDATE: Here's the trailer. (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/videos/1615457392078435))
EDIT: Also, The Intruder Part III! (UPDATE: Teaser uploaded. (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/videos/1615458378745003))
They'll also be airing a 5-episode miroseries by Mamoru Oshii and Production I.G. in 2017. (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-07-02/toonami-runs-mamoru-oshii-production-i.g-micro-series-in-2017/.103880)
Good time to get cable again!
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure is coming to Toonami this October!!! (https://twitter.com/ToonamiNews/status/756335032768135169) :shakeshakeshake:
Quote from: VLordGTZ on July 21, 2016, 11:02:36 PM
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure is coming to Toonami this October!!! (https://twitter.com/ToonamiNews/status/756335032768135169) :shakeshakeshake:
WHAT???!!!
HOLY SHIT
I thought it was too expensive, though?
One Punch Man and JoJo? All it's missing is Blood Blockade Battlefront and Ushio & Tora for recent awesome action shows.
And My Hero Academia.
Can... can we just drop Shippuden and find room for all of them?
Also, is this going to replace OPM? I thought Jack would, myself. Unless they're getting 11 pm.
Quote from: Avaitor on July 21, 2016, 11:27:27 PM
I thought it was too expensive, though?
I believe when they attempted to get it before, they had to deal with Warner Bros' prices. Since the JJBA license is now with Viz, they were probably able to buy it at a more reasonable cost.
My guess is that JoJo will replace OPM when it ends. I wouldn't be surprised if Toonami will expand to 11pm for Jack, but, if not, Jack will probably be at 11:30pm and everything else will be moved down a slot once Parasyte re-runs end.
Damn, Toonami is really improving its line-up. As much as I'd like to see stuff like Ushio and Tora, Tiger and Bunny, My Hero Academia, and various other action-oriented anime on there, I certainly won't be greedy. The fact that we are getting two of the biggest Shonen Jump anime from this decade, both of which had been largely ignored in the West for years (HXH and JoJo's), within the same year is beyond awesome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tdu4uKSZ3M
And a Jojo AMV to honor the efforts to license this. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTPaZHlKo7k)
It's funny that only a few years ago, people thought the chances of HxH and JoJo getting licensed were very slim. Now, they both have dubs and are going to be on US television. Times sure have changed.
I still think Ushio & Tora has a pretty good shot of making it on the block either this year or next since it's one of the more demanded shows from Sentai. Lupin III Pt. IV is also a possibility, though it's anyone's guess how far along TMS and Epcar are with the dub.
I might get cable if Ushio & Tora happens.
Ushio & Tora is probably going to be pushed hard by Sentai since it's getting a dub. I think it's their current most likely show to be aired on TV.
BBB is sort of weird because you'd think "From the creator of Trigun and the studio behind Full Metal Alchemist" would get people interested. It's also not that long, too.
My Hero Academia I'm betting will come after the second season. The more episodes, the more they can run.
Tiger & Bunny, well, I'm just plain not sure on that one. It's superheroes. It's got a built in fanbase. It's got a great dub. I would have to imagine they just haven't had the opportunity to air it yet.
There are some good shows for Toonami out there. It's good to see they're finally dipping into them with OPM and JoJo.
Toonami's really been no a roll since they've picked up Parasyte, IMO.
Besides everything mentioned recently, I'm excited for the possibility of them getting DB Super. I'm sure it'll happen, but not until they're done with Kai, so we'll just have to wait. And it's still a bit of a dream for them to air FMP so they can get the new series, but that one might be a tougher sell for them.
They'd be smart to milk this renewed interest in DB.
Wasn't it also confirmed that FUNi is working on a dub for Super, recently?
The only issue with DBS is that it would take roughly half a year to get to anything new for people who have already seen the movies.
Funi hasn't confirmed anything regarding licensing and dubbing Super, but Jason Douglas posted a picture of himself on Instagram a few days ago recording a Beerus scene from Super.
...keep on forgetting that DB anything doesn't start out with the dub. Damn you, childhood. Damn you..
Intruder III preview. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4KxLo9a5BI)
I'm guessing he's finally getting off of that desert planet. Intruder II put him there, after all.
Children Who Chase Lost Voices airs on November 5 during Daylight Savings Time. (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/photos/a.1442483259375850.1073741828.1440408039583372/1658887134402127/?type=3&theater)
Wait, it's airing after One Piece?
Lame.
Gundam Unicorn will be replacing Iron Blooded Orphans on January 7th at 1 AM! (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/photos/a.1442483259375850.1073741828.1440408039583372/1679238549033652/?type=3&theater)
I guess it's a better time than ever for me to finish Zeta and watch Char's Counterattack.
EDIT:
Jason Demarco has also put up a twitter poll asking what "shorter show" people want in 2017. (https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/803755266743422980)
The main three options are Tokyo Ghoul, Mob Psycho 100, and Lupin III Part IV.
Unicorn's an odd choice, since the show itself expects you to have basic knowledge of three other shows and a movie to understand the full plot.
Also, Mob Psycho 100 is a nice choice.
YES! Toonami needs Mob Psycho 100.
My guess is that the dub for IBO season 2 wasn't going to be ready for a while, but Toonami wanted to keep a Gundam anime on the block. Their only other reasonable option would probably have been 00, which is too long if they still want to air IBO season 2 this year.
Mob Psycho is a no-brainer for the block since OPM did very well, though I'd prefer that they air Lupin instead if I had to choose one over the other.
Huh, I thought that Jack would replace IBO. I'm excited to finally finish Unicorn, but it doesn't seem like the most feasible idea to give another Gundam the slot, when IBO hasn't exactly help to fix the franchise's lacking commercial success stateside.
Small point to be made... this isn't Unicorn they're airing. This is Unicorn RE:0096. Prepare for 24 weeks of butter being really thinly spread.
Is the pacing in the tv edit really that bad? Since it's a re-cut of the OVA series, I'd imagine it'd just be the equivalent of watching an episode split across two or three weeks, which I can live with if the content is interesting enough. Or do they add a bunch of scenes that really pad it out and slow the momentum?
RE: 0096 is a pretty bare-bones re-cut from what I have seen of it. Each OVA (besides the last one) is 60 minutes, so one episode of the TV-cut is one-third of an OVA. I'd say that it's only an issue to casual viewers of the franchise, who are expecting action right away. That being said, I'm kind of curious about how it will do on Toonami since it will take until the very end of episode 3 for Banagher to get in the Gundam.
Toonami will be airing DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/posts/1683150375309136:0) AND Dragon Ball Super starting on January 7th! (http://and%20dragon%20ball%20super%20starting%20on%20january%207th!!!)
Super will air at 11:30pm EST and DBZ Kai: TFC will replace regular Kai at 12.
I don't think I need to say this, but damn this is HUGE. Toonami is starting off the year with premieres of two new Dragon Ball series (though you can definetly argue that Kai's Buu saga isn't really "new"), JoJo, and Hunter X Hunter. Add their broadcast of Gundam Unicorn into the mix, and that's a pretty great lineup.
EDIT: Super is will also be airing at 8pm on regular Adult Swim, so I guess Toonami isn't "technically" premiering it. It's kind of a strange choice (maybe Toei insisted it?) but it probably won't effect ratings much since most of the people watching AS at that time are outside the 18-49 demographic.
Hmm, prime time, right? I can see their reasoning. I just finished the Trunks saga minutes ago and hopefully the fanbase can survive 28 weeks of filler before they get to the Gods of Destruction arc.
There's probably still a lot of casual viewers who never bothered to watch Battle of Gods and Resurrection F, so it will probably be fine from a ratings perspective. Personally, I never bothered to watch the first 27 eps of Super as I had already seen the films, but I'll probably watch them on AS/Toonami since dub will make them bearable at the very least.
BLEH
Still needs some BBB.
From what I've heard, the 8:00 airing will be an edited version of Super whereas the 11:30 airing on Toonami will be uncut.
At any rate, it's going to be about a year-long wait (or more if Toonami takes any major breaks from Super in-between arcs) before they actually get to any of the good stuff.
Quote from: Rynnec on December 07, 2016, 06:21:25 PMBLEH
Is that "BLEH" targeted just at DB or the whole block in general? Because HXH and JoJo's, man....
I am personally pretty meh about Kai Buu, though. I'm not a fan of any anime iterations of that arc. I still feel that it was much more enjoyable in the manga due to the far less drawn out pacing.
Now, if we could just get Ushio and Tora and Mob Psycho 100 on here, we'd actually have a legitimately great 2-hour Toonami line-up (between those, HXH, and JoJo's).
I know people are angry at the Toonami block for becoming more attached to DBZ, but what were they expecting? FUNi wanted an outlet for their show, and DBZ was the most watched out of Toonami's roster. Dragon Ball and Toonami are always going to be associated with each other, whether we like it or not. Unless they wanted Toonami to refuse Super, but then you'd get another shitstorm and fears of Toonami dying if they didn't accept a show assured to give them ratings.
I've been enjoying the block more than in recent years with Jojo, Iron-Blooded Orphans, and HXH. I'd rather wait a bit longer so Toonami could skip past the filler episodes of Super, but I'll still give it a shot, along with Unicorn, which looks like it translates fine to a series format.
I'd still recommend watching the movies first, since I consider Super's retellings to be largely inferior. You could easily find both BOG and RF for really cheap on DVD at Wal-Mart.
As for the backlash, like Dr. Insomniac said, DB has always been integral to Toonami's success. I don't exactly know what anyone was expecting either. I mean, how dare Toonami decide to air a show that they know has a high success rate with pulling in ratings....:thinkin:
Lol if you want more risk taking show picks then you need DB to help with the ratings.
It looks like Mob Psycho 100 and Lupin Part 4 have a real shot at making it to Toonami. With how fast they aired One Punch Man and Jojo after they announced them, it won't be too surprising if they did the same with those shows.
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on December 07, 2016, 10:07:58 PM
From what I've heard, the 8:00 airing will be an edited version of Super whereas the 11:30 airing on Toonami will be uncut.
DeMarco basically said on Twitter that it wouldn't be edited at all.
Yeah, I don't really get why some people are pissed at Toonami for airing more Dragon Ball. Kai re-runs have done outstandingly well for the block, so of course they'd opt to air new episodes. If anything, people should be mad at kid's networks like Disney and Nick, since they could have easily outbid Adult Swim if they had really wanted Super.
There are also concerns that the Toonami won't be able to air shorter shows next year, but I kind of doubt that since Demarco wouldn't have bothered to do a poll for "short" anime if that was the case. Funimation has been strangely silent about their dub for Mob Psycho 100. At first, I thought it might have been issues with Warner Japan, but then I realized Keijo and Alderamin on the Sky are also both Warner Japan shows and have had no problems getting simul-dubbed. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if Toonami has already picked up the series and is just waiting for the right time to premiere it (probably after OPM re-runs end).
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on December 07, 2016, 10:20:43 PM
Quote from: Rynnec on December 07, 2016, 06:21:25 PMBLEH
Is that "BLEH" targeted just at DB or the whole block in general? Because HXH and JoJo's, man....
It was targeted at Super specifically, but the block's schedule is rather lackluster too HxH and JoJo's aside. With Super we have yet another long running show that'll take half a year to get good. Fuck that. :immad:
Once again, what were you expecting? DeMarco's a sycophant who has little idea how to make a programming block flourish. Adult Swim itself is a block with no idea how to handle its lineup (such as the recent controversy over airing an alt-right show that even several AS producers boycotted). Toonami having HxH and Jojo's should be a miracle, all things considered. Acting like licensing Super should be considered an out-of-the-ordinary bad decision compared to Toonami's actions throughout the years is ludicrous. And like VLord said, isn't this what people wanted? Would they have preferred Super to air on Disney XD instead?
This is Adult Swim. You're not getting your Blood Blockade Battlefront, your Re:Zero, your Erased, or anything. You're getting this. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3uloAurjMc)
I definitely would of wanted DBS on XD, it'd be nice having a shounen anime on a channel dedicated to its main target demographic anyway (and unlike Naruto Shippuden, I doubt DBS is any more visceral than say Star Wars Rebels), they'd likely get through episodes faster too.
I do see your point about Toonami and AS in general, however. Especially in light of Mike Lazzo's ass-backwards view of women. Their silver linings such as Rick and Morty are just that, and hell, bringing back Toonami at all was a sheer stroke of luck. At this point I'm not really surprised, just disappointed, which is how I've felt about the block since 2013. I guess it's my fault for putting my faith in a block run by monkeys.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on December 08, 2016, 02:10:13 AM
Once again, what were you expecting? DeMarco's a sycophant who has little idea how to make a programming block flourish. Adult Swim itself is a block with no idea how to handle its lineup (such as the recent controversy over airing an alt-right show that even several AS producers boycotted).
Quote from: Rynnec on December 08, 2016, 02:49:39 AM
I do see your point about Toonami and AS in general, however. Especially in light of Mike Lazzo's ass-backwards view of women.
Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa! What the hell did I just read? What is this about an alt-right show airing on Adult Swim and Lazzo's backward views of women? Someone needs to catch me up to speed here.
Really the only thing I can say about Toonami getting Super & the Buu saga of Kai was it being so damn obvious you had to be even dumber than me to not see that coming.
These two (http://www.avclub.com/article/read-mike-lazzo-responds-critics-over-lack-women-a-243682) links will answer it. (http://www.avclub.com/article/adult-swim-cancels-alt-right-sketch-show-million-d-246917)
Thanks fam. I'm actually more curious as to how that Alt-Right show got greenlit in the first place after reading all of that stuff than Lazzo's comments on women. Then again, I don't really watch much of Adult Swim's live-action programming to have much of a knowledge of what goes on in there. Still, that stuff he said can land another man in hot water.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on December 08, 2016, 02:10:13 AM
Once again, what were you expecting? DeMarco's a sycophant who has little idea how to make a programming block flourish. Adult Swim itself is a block with no idea how to handle its lineup (such as the recent controversy over airing an alt-right show that even several AS producers boycotted). Toonami having HxH and Jojo's should be a miracle, all things considered. Acting like licensing Super should be considered an out-of-the-ordinary bad decision compared to Toonami's actions throughout the years is ludicrous. And like VLord said, isn't this what people wanted? Would they have preferred Super to air on Disney XD instead?
This is Adult Swim. You're not getting your Blood Blockade Battlefront, your Re:Zero, your Erased, or anything. You're getting this. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3uloAurjMc)
So, what are all these bad decisions Toonami has made? Just curious. Plus, it's not like any of those shows you mentioned would get better ratings than anything DBZ related. Toonami is smart for picking up anything DBZ, IMO. A lot of negativity towards Toonami in this thread. I wouldn't really be into anime, if I hadn't started watching Toonami back in 2012.
Also, Jojo has been one of the most disappointing shows I've watched in a long time, especially after seeing so much hype for how great it is. I know it's suppose to get better, but if I wasn't watching it on Toonami, than I would've given up on it a long time ago.
Gundam: IBO on the other hand has been surprisingly good. I didn't think I'd enjoy it all that much, but I've liked pretty much all of it. So, I'm happy Toonami aired it. I don't think I'll care for Unicorn much, because I have no prior knowledge of anything related to it.
I have no real opinion on modern Toonami, but I don't think I could ever bring myself to truly dislike it ever since I found out they helped fund Space Dandy. :worship: Still waiting for the film and 3rd OST. I want to believe...
Also, I watched some of that alt-right show, and the politics weren't immediately obvious (at least in the sketches I saw). Not that I'm defending it - it was basically your standard live action [as] fodder, only made by weird racist YouTubers instead of hipster anti-humor comedians. I hear they slipped subliminal swastikas into it or something, though, which is unsurprising considering the showrunner.
Seriously though, when are we getting Samurai Jack?
Quote from: Avaitor on December 09, 2016, 02:20:20 AM
Seriously though, when are we getting Samurai Jack?
That's a good question. Nothing really finishes all that soon. Depending on what they do with Jojo, I'm pretty sure the show that would finish next would be Unicorn and that hasn't even started yet. Not including One Punch Man, but I think they want to keep a rerun slot on the block anyway. Although once that finishes, I'm not really sure what rerun they'd want to put there next.
Quote from: Dreamer2 on December 09, 2016, 08:08:28 AM
Quote from: Avaitor on December 09, 2016, 02:20:20 AM
Seriously though, when are we getting Samurai Jack?
That's a good question. Nothing really finishes all that soon. Depending on what they do with Jojo, I'm pretty sure the show that would finish next would be Unicorn and that hasn't even started yet. Not including One Punch Man, but I think they want to keep a rerun slot on the block anyway. Although once that finishes, I'm not really sure what rerun they'd want to put there next.
I think they it's more likely that they will expand to 11pm for Samurai Jack. I doubt they'll want to hold off on airing it once it's ready. In terms of when it will air, my guess is that they are planning it for March since that will coincide with the 20th anniversary of Toonami and Mamoru Oshii's micro-series. One of the staff members for Jack also accidentally said on their Facebook that the show is being planned for March a few months ago, though those plans could have changed.
Okay, so we're getting two new Jojo's this week; the end of Phantom Blood and the start of Battle Tendency, most likely to make up space for the recently wrapped-up Iron-Blooded Orphans. Then the following week will have a JJBA marathon.
Awesome!!!
GITS: SAC will replace One Punch Man's 3 am slot come February 4th.
Personally, I was hoping for a new show, but airing GitS: SAC around that time coincides pretty well with the release of the live action film.
March 11. 11:30.
I want to believe that Jack's real name has always been Fu Lishsamurai.
BREAKING NEWS! Toonami announced on their latest Pre-Flight (http://www.adultswim.com/videos/toonami/friday-february-3rd-2017) that Samurai Jack will air at 11PM, effectively expanding Toonami by yet another half-hour!
Ooooh, nice!!!
Toonami should be much earlier anyway. Not one good reason the entire Saturday lineup can't be Toonami like their anime action block was.
The main stream that I mod for on Twitch is being hosted by adultswim's account right now. This is one of the better moments I had on the site. ;D
I didn't know you moderated on Twitch.
Not a site mod. Just for a few friends' channels.
Bad news: The latest Toonami Pre-Flight (http://www.adultswim.com/videos/toonami/friday-march-10th-2017) reports that One Piece is leaving Toonami next week. Expect a music video to air as a grand farewell. EDIT: Here's the music video. (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/videos/1724321691192004)
Good news: Tokyo Ghoul will join in as a replacement!
You have a funny definition of "bad news".
And good news.
I remember when they announced One Piece was returning to Toonami four years ago. I was so happy and excited that I was literally rolling on the floor. Now hearing that it's being taken off, I feel disappointed, but not devastated. Fact is, One Piece just wasn't performing, it makes sense to replace it. Can't say I was staying up to watch it myself either. And as much as the haters are gloating about this, One Piece doesn't need Toonami to give it exposure. It's plenty popular and successful over here, and was even before Toonami brought it back. If the great reception to the Film: Gold theatrical run wasn't proof enough of that, I don't know what is. I do find it funny that they started with the Foxy stuff and are now ending it with Foxy filler though. Strange but fitting bookend to this run.
I like the Tokyo Ghoul manga well enough and have been meaning to check out the anime, so if they play it before Shippuden I'll watch it, even though I know season two is contentious.
Well, bad news for FUNimation, anyways.
I'm a huge fan of the manga and all, but even I had to give up on the One Piece anime years ago. Can't say that I've been bothering to follow it on Toonami, either. I would've rather had it replaced with My Hero Academia, though (or Mob Psycho 100 if that ever becomes a possibility).
The news that I'm dreading, personally, is whether or not JoJo's will manage to survive on the block or not. It doesn't seem to be going over all that well with the general Toonami audience.
It's not really bad news for FUNimation considering a FUNimation show is taking it's place. :P
As for JoJo's...yeah, it's not doing so great. The dropoff from Kai every week is pretty significant. Since getting Stardust Crusaders would be a separate license from the first season to begin with, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't bother picking it or any future JoJo's seasons up after Battle Tendency is done. At the very least, I don't expect it to be a priority for them.
I would think My Hero Academia is a lock after this season. Still, I think Ushio & Tora and Blood Blockade Battlefront would have been better picks. But the first probably isn't finished dubbing and the second is getting a second season and all.
I love One Piece, but it just doesn't do well in a weekly format. Its better when its binged through. Its the kind of show that needs a Monday-thru-Friday schedule. If Adult Swim still had anime on weeknights it might have done better.
Quote from: LumRanmaYasha on March 10, 2017, 09:06:24 PM
As for JoJo's...yeah, it's not doing so great. The dropoff from Kai every week is pretty significant. Since getting Stardust Crusaders would be a separate license from the first season to begin with, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't bother picking it or any future JoJo's seasons up after Battle Tendency is done. At the very least, I don't expect it to be a priority for them.
I think they'll still pick up Part 3, but it'll probably be at a lower time slot. The show does well enough to justify continuing to air it, but it doesn't seem to sit well with
DBZ's audience.
I'm not too disappointed with
One Piece leaving the block, since it's only been doing progressively worse on the block over time. Hopefully, we'll get a good show like
Ushio & Tora once
Tokyo Ghoul finishes.
I'd of rather Shippuden leave and the replacement show be Garo, but it's good that Toonami has more breathing room now. One Piece had several chances to catch on in the US, but it could never stick the way Bleach and Naruto could, it's amazing it even got a second chance to begin with.
One Piece has always had several things going against it. There's the horrible pacing, and the fact that 4Kids did irreparable harm to its reputation to where it took a long time for people to look past it. There's also a lot of people who just can't get past the art style. Despite all that it had a decent shot, but it's just not going to be big here the way it is in Japan. I think that's fairly evident by now.
Shame JoJo isn't catching on, but you never know just what the modern Toonami audience is going to hook on to.
I found a video regarding Toonami's place in history regarding anime. (https://youtu.be/-Et4vu4lpPI)
I don't see how Ushio & Tora would do better than My Hero Academia on Toonami. Superheroes are still big here, MHA is short and people would be hooked by the first 2 episodes. As much as I like UT more, MHA would be the smarter pickup.
I've noticed that Jojo isn't really catching on here. While I do like Phantom Blood, and it is important to the show, I do think that it might have had a better chance of catching on if they skipped or marathoned it. Those who are sticking around for Battle Tendency are liking it better, but PB is a tough sale for the kind of crowd Toonami attracts.
Also, I really hope that we get season 2 of Iron-Blooded Orphans, and soon. Because frankly, Unicorn RE: 0096 isn't that good. I actually do like the OVAs, but the pacing is killed when they're converted into episodes, especially when they get padded with recaps. I'm surprised how that's holding on so well from Jojo in comparison to how it holds to DB.
I just hope we get Stardust Crusaders. I know the Toonami crowd will love it as much as I do and that'll pretty much save Jojo.
In slightly related One Piece news....
https://twitter.com/ASoulfulChris/status/840425341021769728
Apparently RomanMack admitted to being a troll on ASMB? Well, that's actually better than him being a legit psycho. Sure had me fooled way back when.
Quote from: gunswordfist on March 11, 2017, 04:53:35 PM
I just hope we get Stardust Crusaders. I know the Toonami crowd will love it as much as I do and that'll pretty much save Jojo.
As one of the Toonami viewers who finds JoJo to be pretty bad, I think Stardust Crusaders would have to be unbelievably different than either of these first two arcs. But, at this point I have such little interest in the world and the characters of JoJo, I just don't think it'd matter.
So, I'm really hoping Toonami moves to something new after Battle Tendency.
Well, if we're picking stuff that we'd prefer Toonami to give the axe to in favor of other stuff, can we get rid of Naruto Shippuden while we're at it? I know that it technically pulls in ok ratings so it's unlikely to be going anywhere anytime soon (which amazes me because of how the anime has even worse pacing issues than One Piece, and that's really saying something), but there are at least half a dozen much better options that the half-hour slot could be used for.
Mob Psycho 100 would most likely do great due to what a massive hit One Punch Man was on the block (though the art-style might be an issue for the typical Toonami audience). My Hero Academia's straightforward but well-executed premise would be a perfect alternative for another WSJ series to take Naruto's place (and it probably will air on Toonami sometime after the second season comes out), Ushio and Tora could fill the void of that old-school shonen itch while also wrapping up its story in a clean 39-episodes, and Blood Blockade Battlefront would be a unique and interesting sort of venture for Toonami viewers, with the tagline "From the Creator of Trigun" doing a lot to sell people on it due to the large nostalgia for that series from back on its Adult Swim days. There are other shows that have a chance of increasing the ratings from that block rather than just leveling off at something kind of decent.
I'd take JoJo over Naruto (Shippuden) and Gundam. And that's it. If this was IBO, I'd take that over JoJo easily.
I'd say over One Piece (which is already ending its run on the block to be fair), and DB Kai and Super as well.
To be clear, I'm a big One Piece fan and a massive Dragon Ball fan....when it comes to manga. However Toei massively screwed up with One Piece, while the Majin Buu arc is horribly dragged out in DBZ (even in Kai). Meanwhile, Super is dreadfully bad until the Universe Six arc, and that arc is pretty mediocre overall. The Future Trunks arc is good but also not without some definite flaws, and there has been some genuinely fun filler since then but the Universe Survival arc has been fairly underwhelming so far, IMO. Overall it's a very uneven series that I couldn't personally call superior to JoJo's, despite Dragon Ball being one of my all-time favorite WSJ series.
I could almost agree with One Piece, but I find enough to like and enjoy out of One Piece, which I just don't get from JoJo. I love the characters in OP. So much. That's enough to put it past JoJo, a show that has basically one character I enjoy fully.
As for the DB hour, I just find myself having a ball revisiting the Buu arc. The part they're in right now, is the arc I have the most memories of as a child. So, I'm not surprised I'm enjoying it. Hopefully that continues. And this is coming from someone who was getting super bored during the Frieza arc of Kai. (Is it weird that the Frieza arc is like my least favorite DBZ arc?)
I've also gotten some good laughs out of Super so far. And once again in regards to anything DBZ and on, I just love the characters. As with OP, the story contains many problems, but the characters make up for it.
JoJo has story problems and character problems, which just equals a mess, unfortunately.
Quote from: gunswordfist on March 11, 2017, 02:25:39 PM
I don't see how Ushio & Tora would do better than My Hero Academia on Toonami. Superheroes are still big here, MHA is short and people would be hooked by the first 2 episodes. As much as I like UT more, MHA would be the smarter pickup.
MHA would undoubtedly do better than U&T. I don't even think there's a question of that.
But if it hasn't arrived by now, I don't think it will until season 2 with it's rumored 24 episode run comes out. By then, a 37 episode run would do wonders for it. But I know there are many people who legit hate the series because of how slow season 1 was and how it wasn't "special" or "unique" enough to earn the hype. I want MHA to be exposed with some of the best material when it finally comes out.
Ushio & Tora is 39 episodes, and it's done and in the can. It's a complete story and can be watched all the way through without waiting for new episodes. The series is ready to go.
I guess I mean that U&T is ready to go at any time, would have been the perfect show to air on Toonami back in the day, and would certainly hit a lot of people in a way they didn't expect. MHA I think would benefit from waiting a bit longer.
Quote from: Dreamer2 on March 12, 2017, 08:35:37 PM
I could almost agree with One Piece, but I find enough to like and enjoy out of One Piece, which I just don't get from JoJo. I love the characters in OP. So much. That's enough to put it past JoJo, a show that has basically one character I enjoy fully.
To be fair, JoJo's cast changes with each new part, so there are tons of characters that you can't really take into account yet. And yes, the arcs do change drastically from part to part, and while I don't love Stardust Crusaders, I can honestly say that I do love its supporting cast, and argue that it has genuinely great comedy as well as some of the best fights in all of anime and manga. Diamond is Unbreakable is where JoJo's really grew on me, though.
I agree about loving One Piece's cast (except when Oda stumbles with them big-time post-Marineford), but once again in all fairness, even that took quite a few story arcs before they truly grew on me enough to care about them as much as I do now.
QuoteAs for the DB hour, I just find myself having a ball revisiting the Buu arc. The part they're in right now, is the arc I have the most memories of as a child. So, I'm not surprised I'm enjoying it. Hopefully that continues. And this is coming from someone who was getting super bored during the Frieza arc of Kai. (Is it weird that the Frieza arc is like my least favorite DBZ arc?)
As one of the few defenders of the Majin Buu arc, I do have big problems with how the anime handles it, personally. And since you mentioned JoJo's being a mess, I think it only fair to point out that, while I enjoy it, the Buu arc is rife with plot issues and generally being all over the place in its second half. It's not so weird to dislike the Freeza arc, but personally I disagree. The first half is brilliant, IMO, since it forces the characters to not have Goku to rely on, thus causing them to have to play a dangerous cat and mouse game with enemies far stronger than them. The second half is very battle-heavy but I'd argue that Toriyama does an excellent job of keeping things engaging with the constantly changing circumstances and increasing sense of tension with each new fight, escalating up to the final battle with Freeza.
As for me, while I certainly enjoy parts of it, the Cell arc is actually my least favorite, mainly with how dragged out the second half feels.
QuoteI've also gotten some good laughs out of Super so far. And once again in regards to anything DBZ and on, I just love the characters. As with OP, the story contains many problems, but the characters make up for it.
JoJo has story problems and character problems, which just equals a mess, unfortunately.
I love the cast of DB and OP as well. In DB's case, though, I'd argue that Super gets much of its cast characterized differently than DB/Z. Goku in particular suffers from becoming a charicature of his former self, while other characters like Vegeta fair much better. Regardless, the movie recap arcs are garbage, IMO, and the post-movie stuff is entertaining but very lopsided in quality.
JoJo absolutely has story and character problems. As does DB, Naruto, and every long-running series ever made. I could go on for ages about the massive plot-holes in Dragon Ball and how inconsistent Toriyama's writing can be, but I wouldn't say that it's a mess. JoJo's falls into the same camp for me. I can completely understand and respect that it's clearly not your thing. That said, I'd personally argue that it does plenty of great things as well, more so than what you give it credit for. The battles are incredibly creative and fun. The story in part 2 is most definitely not a mess, it has a pretty clear and easy to follow progression. And while I agree that the supporting cast is weaker in the first two parts, this is maybe the one series where it's not just a fan excuse to say that the casts become more interesting later on, since things change drastically with each new part, and Araki's writing style changes drastically over time. It just feels like your comments are more aimed as backlash against the series because some other people hyped it up (and I'm always against hyping things up too much, even for stuff that I like). I noticed that you had a very similar reaction to Hunter X Hunter before it growing on you multiple arcs later. Not saying that JoJo's would have the same effect, but to assume that the first two parts are completely representative of the overall quality of a series that has ran for over three straight decades is a bit silly. That's like assuming that all of Dragonball will be just like the Emperor Pilaf arc based on only being exposed to that alone.
Again, it's fine if JoJo's doesn't appeal to you as a series. I can say with certainty that I know where you're coming from because I also wasn't that into it at this point either on my first viewing. I'm just trying to get across that fans such as myself and others find a lot more to like about the series than just its style and "bizarre" nature. There are tons more characters that I love in JoJo's besides just Joseph, and some of the later parts are among my all-time favorite story arcs (myself, Lum, and Spark even included one of them on a list of our favorite story arcs that we wrote about a couple of years ago), as well as more interesting and nuanced aspects of its story and world-building.
It's definitely not a series that's for everyone, but personally I hope that it does eventually win over the general Toonami audience because it really brings something different and interesting to the block, IMO.
The Toonami crowd would probably have dug Stardust Crusaders far more. Toonami should have pulled what Funi did with the original DB and DBZ by airing the original after the franchise had already attained an audience. SC is far more straightforward, has an established and iconic cast, is all battling all the time, and has twice the run time of season 1. If Toonami doesn't get around to SC, it's going to be a big loss for potential fans.
I really need to post here more often. I enjoy reading the posts from most of the members here, but I thoroughly enjoy reading your posts Dr. Ensatsu. Even when we disagree. I mean my first batch of posts here was pretty much just us disagreeing about HxH. :sweat:
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on March 12, 2017, 09:33:45 PM
As one of the few defenders of the Majin Buu arc, I do have big problems with how the anime handles it, personally. And since you mentioned JoJo's being a mess, I think it only fair to point out that, while I enjoy it, the Buu arc is rife with plot issues and generally being all over the place in its second half. It's not so weird to dislike the Freeza arc, but personally I disagree. The first half is brilliant, IMO, since it forces the characters to not have Goku to rely on, thus causing them to have to play a dangerous cat and mouse game with enemies far stronger than them. The second half is very battle-heavy but I'd argue that Toriyama does an excellent job of keeping things engaging with the constantly changing circumstances and increasing sense of tension with each new fight, escalating up to the final battle with Freeza.
As for me, while I certainly enjoy parts of it, the Cell arc is actually my least favorite, mainly with how dragged out the second half feels.
My problem with the Frieza arc really has to do with two characters. One really shouldn't be an issue, but Bulma was just a pain. She seriously ruined parts of the arc for me. Just annoying. So annoying. And I still have no idea why she was included. You could take her fully out of the arc and I don't think anything important would be lost.
The other issue is interestingly Frieza. Not entirely why I don't care for Frieza, but I like a villain like Cell. I just was so bored during that whole final fight, where as I was never bored during Goku vs Cell and Gohan vs Cell. While its my least favorite arc, I wouldn't call it bad. There's a lot to like, I just like the other arcs more.
QuoteJoJo absolutely has story and character problems. As does DB, Naruto, and every long-running series ever made. I could go on for ages about the massive plot-holes in Dragon Ball and how inconsistent Toriyama's writing can be, but I wouldn't say that it's a mess. JoJo's falls into the same camp for me. I can completely understand and respect that it's clearly not your thing. That said, I'd personally argue that it does plenty of great things as well, more so than what you give it credit for. The battles are incredibly creative and fun. The story in part 2 is most definitely not a mess, it has a pretty clear and easy to follow progression. And while I agree that the supporting cast is weaker in the first two parts, this is maybe the one series where it's not just a fan excuse to say that the casts become more interesting later on, since things change drastically with each new part, and Araki's writing style changes drastically over time. It just feels like your comments are more aimed as backlash against the series because some other people hyped it up (and I'm always against hyping things up too much, even for stuff that I like). I noticed that you had a very similar reaction to Hunter X Hunter before it growing on you multiple arcs later. Not saying that JoJo's would have the same effect, but to assume that the first two parts are completely representative of the overall quality of a series that has ran for over three straight decades is a bit silly. That's like assuming that all of Dragonball will be just like the Emperor Pilaf arc based on only being exposed to that alone.
Again, it's fine if JoJo's doesn't appeal to you as a series. I can say with certainty that I know where you're coming from because I also wasn't that into it at this point either on my first viewing. I'm just trying to get across that fans such as myself and others find a lot more to like about the series than just its style and "bizarre" nature. There are tons more characters that I love in JoJo's besides just Joseph, and some of the later parts are among my all-time favorite story arcs (myself, Lum, and Spark even included one of them on a list of our favorite story arcs that we wrote about a couple of years ago), as well as more interesting and nuanced aspects of its story and world-building.
It's definitely not a series that's for everyone, but personally I hope that it does eventually win over the general Toonami audience because it really brings something different and interesting to the block, IMO.
Yes, you are right on my opinion of HxH. I felt similar, but I found myself more invested in Hunter's characters than Jojo's. But, I think a big difference, which may not be all that fair to Jojo, is how I watched the two series. For the most part I watched HxH at my own pace when I wanted too. Where as Jojo, its once a week. And I think that may have hurt my interest in Jojo. Mixing in with that hype you mentioned. Its hard not to let the hype affect my interest in a show. You hear good things, and if it doesn't live up to those expectations, it may make it feel worse overall. I'd say the same thing happened to me in regards to Madoka Magica. I saw so much praise for it, but ultimately walked away more annoyed than anything.
Of course, its definitely a possibility that I was never gonna like Jojo no matter what. And that happens. Its too bad, because the way its structured really interested me. A story spanning many generations of a family. Sounds great. Just hasn't clicked with me.
One other thing. I agree that you shouldn't judge a whole story on only part of it, but if that early part turns you off so much, its extremely difficult to want to continue or to even think it'll ever reach a high point.
Overall, if Toonami airs Stardust Crusaders, I'll watch it and hope for the best.
And one last point on HxH, but it seems my opinion of it has gotten even better since I finished it last year. And Toonami has barely hit my favorite arc. I wonder how I'll feel about Greed Island once Toonami gets there. Seeing how it was my least favorite arc of HxH.
Quote from: Dreamer2 on March 12, 2017, 10:50:47 PMMy problem with the Frieza arc really has to do with two characters. One really shouldn't be an issue, but Bulma was just a pain. She seriously ruined parts of the arc for me. Just annoying. So annoying. And I still have no idea why she was included. You could take her fully out of the arc and I don't think anything important would be lost.
I can understand being disappointed that she was useless for the arc, but she was barely in it so I couldn't really be annoyed by her presence considering that there was a serious lack of it in the first place. She did have a purpose in actually getting Gohan and Krillin to Namek, but I do agree that making her useless for the rest of the arc was rather weak. Even so, I consider that to be a quibble, not a major flaw in the story.
QuoteThe other issue is interestingly Frieza. Not entirely why I don't care for Frieza, but I like a villain like Cell. I just was so bored during that whole final fight, where as I was never bored during Goku vs Cell and Gohan vs Cell. While its my least favorite arc, I wouldn't call it bad. There's a lot to like, I just like the other arcs more.
The reason why I enjoy Freeza as a villain; and mind you this is based off of his characterization in the original manga and sub, as the original FUNi dub significantly alters his character until Kai fixed it; is because of how at his core he plays into Toriyama's tendency to write his villains as sort of an in-joke, even the serious ones. For the record, Toriyama has not been shy about using villains to sort of be a jab at some of the negative qualities of people that he either knew personally or were popular celebrities at the time or something of that nature. For example, the Dr. Mashirito character from his previous manga, Dr. Slump, was a clear fun little poke at his editor for both a majority of that manga and Dragon Ball, Torishima (Mashirito being Torishima pronounced backwards with traditional Japanese syllable phonetics). With Freeza, he was a mockery of home realtors, who had a reputation at that time in Japan for being crooked and who Toriyama described as "the worst kind of people." You can even clearly see this in how Freeza's role is that of an overlord who has native species forcibly "evicted" (exterminated) from their "homes" (planets), and then sells them to the highest bidder.
Anyways, the point being that despite being a serious villain, Freeza was oozing with that pompous personality that just made him so memorable as a character. He talks in a specifically polite manner but with a clear undertone of condescension, so reassured that he is superior to everyone and that no one could possibly knock him off his high horse. Combine this with his one fear of the Saiyans growing powerful enough to challenge his authority, and the poetic irony that, despite his attempts to exterminate them, he ultimately unleashes the only thing that (at that point in the story) could kill him in unwittingly pushing Goku to the Super Saiyan level. It makes him a really endearing antagonist in how he affects the hero. As for the fight between Goku and Freeza, it's dragged out a lot in the anime (as a lot of things are, being a big part of why I prefer the manga), but that hardly speaks for the entire arc as a whole. There's a lot of interesting plot and character progression before that which makes it stand out to me.
QuoteYes, you are right on my opinion of HxH. I felt similar, but I found myself more invested in Hunter's characters than Jojo's. But, I think a big difference, which may not be all that fair to Jojo, is how I watched the two series. For the most part I watched HxH at my own pace when I wanted too. Where as Jojo, its once a week. And I think that may have hurt my interest in Jojo. Mixing in with that hype you mentioned. Its hard not to let the hype affect my interest in a show. You hear good things, and if it doesn't live up to those expectations, it may make it feel worse overall. I'd say the same thing happened to me in regards to Madoka Magica. I saw so much praise for it, but ultimately walked away more annoyed than anything.
Of course, it's definitely a possibility that I was never gonna like Jojo no matter what. And that happens. Its too bad, because the way its structured really interested me. A story spanning many generations of a family. Sounds great. Just hasn't clicked with me.
One other thing. I agree that you shouldn't judge a whole story on only part of it, but if that early part turns you off so much, its extremely difficult to want to continue or to even think it'll ever reach a high point.
Overall, if Toonami airs Stardust Crusaders, I'll watch it and hope for the best.
This is all a pretty fair angle to view it from, and like I said I can understand if you just can't get into JoJo's. It clearly has a niche appeal, even among the anime community which is already kind of niche as it is. My points were less to convince you to watch more but more to allow you to understand why people like myself see a lot more in it than how the majority of Toonami's audience seem to perceive it. And for what it's worth, like I said earlier, I felt similar to you on my first viewing of the first season (though I did at least enjoy part two as a story). I think what finally made JoJo's click with me was partly how good the second half of Stardust Crusaders was, but mostly just Diamond is Unbreakable which is where I personally feel like Araki finally perfected his style.
QuoteAnd one last point on HxH, but it seems my opinion of it has gotten even better since I finished it last year. And Toonami has barely hit my favorite arc. I wonder how I'll feel about Greed Island once Toonami gets there. Seeing how it was my least favorite arc of HxH.
In general I feel like HXH is a series that's easy to dismiss early on until it "gets good" (so to speak), but upon revisiting it you notice nuances that were there all along making even the early parts more enjoyable, and that's really a testament to Togashi's skills as a writer.
I agree about Greed Island being the weakest arc, though admittedly I have somewhat warmed up to it over time. It's still a big step down from York New City in my eyes, though, which ties with Dark Tournament from Yu Yu Hakusho as my second favorite story arc written by Togashi (Chapter Black has always been my personal favorite).
Quote from: Avaitor on March 11, 2017, 04:23:35 PM
Also, I really hope that we get season 2 of Iron-Blooded Orphans, and soon. Because frankly, Unicorn RE: 0096 isn't that good. I actually do like the OVAs, but the pacing is killed when they're converted into episodes, especially when they get padded with recaps. I'm surprised how that's holding on so well from Jojo in comparison to how it holds to DB.
We'll probably get IBO Season 2 once Unicorn RE: 0096 ends at the beginning of June. I love the Unicorn OVAs, but it the TV version is definitely hurt by the abrupt endings and long recaps. While it hasn't ruined my enjoyment so far, I understand how it's hurting other people's investment in the series. I'm honestly surprised that Unicorn isn't doing worse on the block. While the series is technically accessible to new viewers, a lot of people unfamiliar with UC tend to get overwhelmed/confused by the history of the UC timeline and its terminology. To be fair, Hunter X Hunter is still performing better than it some weeks, so I really hope Unicorn and it switch timeslots when Tokyo Ghoul is added.
I know the idea of airing movies has been disliked by fans, but maybe they could air the two Ghost in the Shell movies as a form of rebellion against the live-action film. Considering they're airing some live-action project by Mamoru Oshii, it would be further fitting to air something else he directed.
Quote from: Dreamer2 on March 12, 2017, 10:50:47 PM
My problem with the Frieza arc really has to do with two characters. One really shouldn't be an issue, but Bulma was just a pain. She seriously ruined parts of the arc for me. Just annoying. So annoying. And I still have no idea why she was included. You could take her fully out of the arc and I don't think anything important would be lost.
I agree that some of Bulma's antics during Namek could be tiresome, but that's really only an issue with the anime. In the manga Bulma is pretty much sidelined right away and doesn't really appear or do much during the arc and all the hijinks they did with her in the anime, including the body-switch with Ginyu, was filler.
Quote from: Dreamer2 on March 12, 2017, 10:50:47 PM
The other issue is interestingly Frieza. Not entirely why I don't care for Frieza, but I like a villain like Cell. I just was so bored during that whole final fight, where as I was never bored during Goku vs Cell and Gohan vs Cell. While its my least favorite arc, I wouldn't call it bad. There's a lot to like, I just like the other arcs more.
What is it about Cell that you like more than Freeza? While I do find him interesting in his imperfect forms, once he becomes perfect he essentially just becomes Freeza except with less personality and motivation imo. But I can understand being fatigued with the Freeza fight because it does go on for a long time, though it's personally up there as one of my favorite fights in the series.
Quote from: Dreamer2 on March 12, 2017, 10:50:47 PM
Yes, you are right on my opinion of HxH. I felt similar, but I found myself more invested in Hunter's characters than Jojo's. But, I think a big difference, which may not be all that fair to Jojo, is how I watched the two series. For the most part I watched HxH at my own pace when I wanted too. Where as Jojo, its once a week. And I think that may have hurt my interest in Jojo. Mixing in with that hype you mentioned. Its hard not to let the hype affect my interest in a show. You hear good things, and if it doesn't live up to those expectations, it may make it feel worse overall. I'd say the same thing happened to me in regards to Madoka Magica. I saw so much praise for it, but ultimately walked away more annoyed than anything.
Of course, its definitely a possibility that I was never gonna like Jojo no matter what. And that happens. Its too bad, because the way its structured really interested me. A story spanning many generations of a family. Sounds great. Just hasn't clicked with me.
One other thing. I agree that you shouldn't judge a whole story on only part of it, but if that early part turns you off so much, its extremely difficult to want to continue or to even think it'll ever reach a high point.
Overall, if Toonami airs Stardust Crusaders, I'll watch it and hope for the best.
That's a fair way to look at things. Something not living up to your expectations despite the hype can really kill your enthusiasm for it and it's hard to get into a long-running work even if "it gets better" if the early parts don't appeal to you. And JoJo's definitely doesn't appeal to everyone. At least, not every part of it does. I certainly know people who only like one part of JoJo's and don't care about the rest of it. So I would recommend checking out other parts in the series if they do air on the block because they are all so different from each other, and there might be one that clicks with you.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on March 13, 2017, 01:03:58 AM
I know the idea of airing movies has been disliked by fans, but maybe they could air the two Ghost in the Shell movies as a form of rebellion against the live-action film. Considering they're airing some live-action project by Mamoru Oshii, it would be further fitting to air something else he directed.
That would be awesome. Hopefully they'll consider doing that while the live-action film is still in theaters. The same weekend the movie comes out would be ideal, but then again Toonami falls on April 1st this year so they probably already have something planned for that.
Speaking of, what do you guys think they'll do for April Fools this year? My guess is that they'll rebrand the block as Miguzi for the night. :D
Meh, Imperfect Cell was just a slimeball and Semi-Perfect Cell was the dumbest one. The only thing he did smart was trick Vegeta. Besides that, he thought screaming and blowing up islands would help him find the androids and the dumbass repeatedly flew straight into Tien's Tri-Beam even though his Imperfect form was smart enough to burrow through the ground just minutes ago. He's a dumbass.
Yeah, personally I'm not a fan of the Cell character, unless we're talking about TFS's version of him in DBZA.
I'm not entirely sure why I prefer Cell to Frieza. Maybe I just find him more entertaining. :??:
When I was a kid, the Imperfect version really creeped me out though.
But, my favorite DBZ villain is probably Vegeta. When he was actually a villain of course.
Cell is my least favorite villain in all of DB. He doesn't have any charisma, his goals were boring and short-sighted, and the Cell Saga falls apart by the time he becomes whole.
Anyway, I do think JoJo as a franchise is a good fit for Toonami. I'm just not convinced Phantom Blood or Battle Tendency are. Unfortunately, this might be the only chance it gets.
Quote from: gunswordfist on March 13, 2017, 05:17:25 PM
Meh, Imperfect Cell was just a slimeball and Semi-Perfect Cell was the dumbest one. The only thing he did smart was trick Vegeta. Besides that, he thought screaming and blowing up islands would help him find the androids and the dumbass repeatedly flew straight into Tien's Tri-Beam even though his Imperfect form was smart enough to burrow through the ground just minutes ago. He's a dumbass.
Those are at least personalities, which is more than what Perfect Cell has. What makes Cell fundamentally interesting in his imperfect forms is that he has this innate, primal desire to become complete because that is what he was born to do and he is single-mindedly focused on that goal alone, willing to do anything and everything to achieve that end, no matter how sleazy, underhanded, or yes, even dumb and irrational.
But what is Cell after he becomes perfect? What does he want, what is his purpose after that? To defeat Goku like the other androids were designed to? If it was, he never seemed concerned about doing that specifically as a goal, otherwise he would have done that immediately instead of dicking around with his tournament nonsense. Basically, I don't think Toriyama actually had an idea of what Cell would want to do after he became perfect and just turned him into another power-obsessed bad guy who wants to prove he's got the biggest dick by fucking over the toughest guys around and then blowing up the world because...it gets him off? There's no reason why he is actually interested in doing that, other than he finds the idea fun I guess? You can have a villain that just does things because, but based on what we know of Cell's origins and seen of him in his Imperfect forms it doesn't make sense why he'd turn out like that other than the saiyan genetics argument which is still a really lame justification.
It's a shame, because Cell was a great idea conceptually, a literal culmination of all the heroes and villains in one single genetic package, but in execution his perfect form just has no motivation other than to be the bad guy because there needed to be one. He only exists, and was ever created to, to give the arc a villain who fans would buy as a believable and acceptable end-boss and had an admittedly iconic presence which is what the previous androids were lacking. I honestly don't think Perfect Cell wouldn't be as memorable or beloved as he is if his design wasn't so good and Norio Wakamoto and Dameon Clarke didn't do all the work of giving the character some semblance of personality and charisma through their performances. It's too bad that was all wasted on a character with such boring goals and no reason to be doing anything he does.
Quote from: Dreamer2 on March 13, 2017, 05:49:18 PM
When I was a kid, the Imperfect version really creeped me out though.
But, my favorite DBZ villain is probably Vegeta. When he was actually a villain of course.
I felt the same, especially in the anime for sure. His introduction scene and the sequence in the hall of mirrors are still some really freaky stuff.
I also agree about Vegeta. IMO, he has the strongest and most dynamic character arc in the series, one that spans from the very beginning of Z to the end and now continues strongly beyond with Super. That's why he's my favorite character in the series.
I wonder how the Android Saga would have fared had Toriyama's editor not told him to replace Dr. Gero, then 17 and 18, and then Imperfect Cell. I know Toriyama writes the plot on the fly, but there did seem to be points in that arc where moments and plot developments (like Piccolo fusing back with Kami) were supposed to foreshadow and turn into something wholly different.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on March 13, 2017, 06:24:33 PM
I wonder how the Android Saga would have fared had Toriyama's editor not told him to replace Dr. Gero, then 17 and 18, and then Imperfect Cell. I know Toriyama writes the plot on the fly, but there did seem to be points in that arc where moments and plot developments (like Piccolo fusing back with Kami) were supposed to foreshadow and turn into something wholly different.
"Editors," actually. Torishima (who was technically no longer Toriyama's editor at that time) still held a lot of influence over him and convinced him to change the villains of the arc twice, rejecting both sets of androids. His current editor at that point in time then made apparent his distaste for Cell's initial design, which then prompted Toriyama to bring back the concept of transformations and thus created and followed through with the concept of Perfect Cell.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on March 13, 2017, 06:24:33 PM
I wonder how the Android Saga would have fared had Toriyama's editor not told him to replace Dr. Gero, then 17 and 18, and then Imperfect Cell. I know Toriyama writes the plot on the fly, but there did seem to be points in that arc where moments and plot developments (like Piccolo fusing back with Kami) were supposed to foreshadow and turn into something wholly different.
My guess is that if Toriyama went with his original plan to make #20 the big bad of the arc he would still turn out to be Dr. Gero, but he would have been stronger than Super Saiyan so Vegeta couldn't beat him immediately, and he would probably have more minions for the Z Fighters to fight and another plan outside of killing Goku.
With 16, 17 and 18, I think that 18 would've gotten some form of redemption because of Krillin's feelings for her, and maybe 17 would too, but 16 would turn out to be the real big threat and be way stronger than the two of them and despite his kind soul would take a more aggressive stance with the Z Fighters and be more proactive in hunting down and killing Goku.
If Toriyama never had Cell transform he would've probably still gained his power by absorbing the energy of others, so he would pick off the Z Fighters and Androids one by one and become stronger that way.
With all of these I think that Piccolo's fusion with Kami and Vegeta and Trunks' character arcs would've still progressed similarly, just responding to the different threats accordingly. Goku probably would've been out of commission longer if the Androids and their intent to kill him were still the focus of the arc, and Gohan may have still been forced to come into his own not because of Goku's prodding but because of necessity. But Goku might've still ended up the hero of the arc as the Toriyama formula dictates.
It's really fun to think about how different the arc would've turned out if Toriyama had not been guided the way he was. I'd love to see these particular what-ifs be tackled in the video games sometime.
Quote from: VLordGTZ on March 13, 2017, 12:56:13 AM
Quote from: Avaitor on March 11, 2017, 04:23:35 PM
Also, I really hope that we get season 2 of Iron-Blooded Orphans, and soon. Because frankly, Unicorn RE: 0096 isn't that good. I actually do like the OVAs, but the pacing is killed when they're converted into episodes, especially when they get padded with recaps. I'm surprised how that's holding on so well from Jojo in comparison to how it holds to DB.
We'll probably get IBO Season 2 once Unicorn RE: 0096 ends at the beginning of June. I love the Unicorn OVAs, but it the TV version is definitely hurt by the abrupt endings and long recaps. While it hasn't ruined my enjoyment so far, I understand how it's hurting other people's investment in the series. I'm honestly surprised that Unicorn isn't doing worse on the block. While the series is technically accessible to new viewers, a lot of people unfamiliar with UC tend to get overwhelmed/confused by the history of the UC timeline and its terminology. To be fair, Hunter X Hunter is still performing better than it some weeks, so I really hope Unicorn and it switch timeslots when Tokyo Ghoul is added.
I've noticed that Unicorn's UC ties have been turning people off to the show, even though it's not the only reason. I don't think that it's references are too much for new viewers, but I guess that isn't a popular opinion.
But really, I think it's interesting that Unicorn's doing okay, since Gundam's another franchise that has struggled in the US. IBO did decently too, even though it wasn't a megahit. I actually think that a more action-packed series could be a fairly big hit for the block.
Tokyo Ghoul will be on at 1 am. I'm a little surprised, as I thought they might move Jojo down.
Nah. JoJo is too strong of a franchise to be brought down by a title whose popularity quickly waned after a couple years.
Yeah, but as we've been discussing here, Jojo doesn't seem to be catching on with the Toonami crowd. And the ratings don't look too great at the moment.
Also, HxH is a pretty strong franchise as well and its down at 2 am now.
Quote from: Daikun on March 14, 2017, 05:02:18 PM
Nah. JoJo is too strong of a franchise to be brought down by a title whose popularity quickly waned after a couple years.
Idk about the anime, but the
Tokyo Ghoul manga is actually ridiculously popular, and dominated the now defunct NYT Manga lists with sometimes half the list being taken up by volumes of the series, and is easily the biggest manga in terms of sales in the U.S. right now rivaled only by
One-Punch Man. The
JoJo's manga wasn't even close to having the same presence TG had on those lists back when we were reporting them on Manga Mavericks. I wouldn't be surprised if the anime actually does pretty well on Toonami.
I think the reason they didn't put TG at 12:30 is because they'll be done with JoJo's is a couple weeks and probably want to debut it's replacement, whether its SC or not, at that timeslot, and they don't want to have to shuffle down TG after only 5 weeks.
I'm more bummed that HXH is at 2am now. I was hoping it could keep 1:30 since it often does better than Unicorn. Then again, Unicorn will eventually end and they probably want to keep the 1:30 slot open for when they have a new show come in, and HXH could run stable at 2am without needing to be shuffled down again for the rest of it's run. Unless they replace Shippuden in the future and decide to push it back to 2:30, which would suck, but might be unavoidable in that circumstance unless HXH significantly outperforms the show before it.
Quote from: LumRanmaYasha on March 14, 2017, 05:22:11 PMIdk about the anime, but the Tokyo Ghoul manga is actually ridiculously popular, and dominated the now defunct NYT Manga lists with sometimes half the list being taken up by volumes of the series, and is easily the biggest manga in terms of sales in the U.S. right now rivaled only by One-Punch Man.
The anime started out in 2015 with a lukewarm reception, then what little hype the show had petered out, and the second season was poorly received.
I'm hoping Toonami only got the first season. It's as good as it gets.
That tends to be what happens when Pierrot makes your anime.
My recollections of the second season were Kaneki dressed in fetish gear, this author lady who turned out to be a giant ghoul, and the show ending with a silent five-minute walking sequence.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on March 14, 2017, 10:55:10 PM
My recollections of the second season were Kaneki dressed in fetish gear, this author lady who turned out to be a giant ghoul, and the show ending with a silent five-minute walking sequence.
Well, lots to look forward too! :>
Quote from: Daikun on March 14, 2017, 10:17:44 PM
The anime started out in 2015 with a lukewarm reception, then what little hype the show had petered out, and the second season was poorly received.
I'm hoping Toonami only got the first season. It's as good as it gets.
DeMarco said on his Twitter that it's both seasons.
Here's the short version of Tokyo Ghoul for anyone who wants to save themselves the trouble of watching through two full seasons: http://youtu.be/Ur-8ibFvAY4
Oh yeah, the lead actress for the Tokyo Ghoul live-action film ran off in the middle of production to join the Japanese version of Scientology, citing the original story's content as to why.
It's funny how Pierrot, a studio that has dragged out numerous shows like Shippuden and Twin Star Exorcists, thought it was a good idea to rush through the first half of the Tokyo Ghoul manga and then give it an anime original ending. It's mind boggling that they had the chance to capitalize on one of the best selling manga in recent years, and completely walked away from it.
I'm not expecting to enjoy the Tokyo Ghoul anime on Toonami, but it's at least finally giving me some incentive to read the manga so that I can see how badly the anime handled the material.
Quote from: Daikun on March 14, 2017, 10:17:44 PM
The anime started out in 2015 with a lukewarm reception, then what little hype the show had petered out, and the second season was poorly received.
Did it have a lukewarm reception? The first season is the 10th most popular anime on MAL and has over an 8 rating, so it seems like it's pretty popular with most anime fans. Not to mention it's still incredibly well-cosplayed and has tons of merchandise at every con I've gone to in the last couple years. And again, the manga is insanely successful over here. The second season might have had a mixed reception, but it doesn't seem to have damaged the series' overall popularity that much.
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on March 14, 2017, 11:24:00 PM
Here's the short version of Tokyo Ghoul for anyone who wants to save themselves the trouble of watching through two full seasons: http://youtu.be/Ur-8ibFvAY4
Somehow I knew someone would post this. :D But didn't you say you've never watched or read the series back when we did our review of the manga on Manga Mavericks?
Quote from: VLordGTZ on March 14, 2017, 11:39:51 PM
It's funny how Pierrot, a studio that has dragged out numerous shows like Shippuden and Twin Star Exorcists, thought it was a good idea to rush through the first half of the Tokyo Ghoul manga and then give it an anime original ending. It's mind boggling that they had the chance to capitalize on one of the best selling manga in recent years, and completely walked away from it.
I'm not expecting to enjoy the Tokyo Ghoul anime on Toonami, but it's at least finally giving me some incentive to read the manga so that I can see how badly the anime handled the material.
My bet is that they'll pull a
Blue Exorcist and adapt RE as if the second season never happened.
Quote from: LumRanmaYasha on March 14, 2017, 11:56:54 PM
My bet is that they'll pull a Blue Exorcist and adapt RE as if the second season never happened.
You're assuming that Pierrot is actually capable of good business decisions. :>
I'm being generous by giving them the benefit of the doubt. :D
Tokyo Ghoul Season 1 was actually pretty well received at the time. In fact it was the most popular show of Summer 2014 IIRC.
So, is season 1 at least decent? It sounds like season 2 is where it lost people. I really don't want another disappointing Toonami show. Seems like a trend for me recently.
Of course, just because other people dislike it doesn't mean I will, but still.
CX: I watched at least part of the first season since then just to get a feel for the material. As expected it's not my cup of tea, but I might still try the manga someday if it's different enough from the anime. Still doesn't seem like my type of series, though.
Season 1 for what it is (a poor man's Parasyte), is pretty ok. Route A is just hot garbage though and all the requests for a season 3 are actually for more of a Tokyo Ghoul brotherhood type show.
Alright, scheduling update. Hunter X Hunter has been given a reprieve (no doubt due it's somewhat limited shelf-life) and will remain at 1:30. Gundam Unicorn on the other hand is getting g burried at 2 AM as its ratings hit rock bottom this weekend and are expected to get a lot worse.
That's good! Gundam is a really boring show. Of course it helps that my Gundam knowledge is pretty much nonexistent. But, I wonder if I'd like it even if I had seen the prior shows.
My knowledge of Gundam is very limited, but I really enjoyed the Unicorn OVAs back when they first came out. That said, diluting those into a 26-episode TV series is the dumbest shit that I've ever heard, and people's reaction to it seems to confirm that notion.
The only other Gundam series that I've seen in full is 0080, and it's one of my favorite anime ever.
Glad to see Hunter X Hunter hold onto its spot. At least for now. I have no doubt that if Toonami ever scores another popular show like MHA OR MP100, it'll force HXH down by a slot or two.
The problem with the Unicorn TV-cut is less that it's diluted (they don't really add any filler besides the recaps at the beginning of each episode), but more so that it feels very fragmented. The OVAs don't have natural stopping points mid-episode, so cutting up each OVA into 3 TV eps leads to abrupt endings and breaks up a lot of the momentum each OVA builds. While I personally think Unicorn is a far better series than IBO, it's understandable that a lot of Toonami viewers can't get invested in the show because of how the TV version is structured. It probably would have been better for Toonami to just pick up Season 1 of Gundam 00 instead, if Sunrise/Bang Zoom still needed time to prepare the IBO Season 2 dub.
Or it could just be the fact that Universal Century Gundam is incredibly unpopular in the US no matter what they do to it.
Yeah, MSG had a shot if it premiered about a decade or so earlier here, but it's just not the kind of franchise that connects to western audiences the way it does in Japan. There's a reason that the most successful Gundam series here aren't really like UC at all- Wing (although if you ask me, it's too adherent to the classic MSG formula), G, IBO.
G Gundam actually failed pretty badly though when it came to the only metric Bandai cared about at the time, toy sales. Hence why we got the hot mess that was SD Gundam Force next.
Toonami celebrated its 20th anniversary tonight, and their music video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpqUQuOgWFQ) was pretty damn cool.
Damn, 20 years..
Not a simuldub but Titan 2 in four weeks people.
I figured as much. Otherwise, there'd be no reason for FUNi to hold off on a AOT same-day simuldub when they're doing one for MHA. Considering the timing, I'm assuming it'll be taking over JoJo's timeslot, which probably means no Stardust Crusaders, unfortunately.
It's looking like we're not getting Stardust Crusaders yet, yeah. I don't know if this means the series is done for Toonami, though. It's not that big of a hit, but it looks like it's been doing better lately, and Stardust might be what fans have been wanting from the show, so I could see it go either way.
The whole "people will come back for the *so-and-so* arc" argument is old hat anyway. Look how many times they advertised certain One Piece things and nobody new tuned in.
I feel like it's kind of different for Jojo, since OP is the same characters and more or less the same kind of story, but JJBA changes much of it as it goes along.
But then, that hasn't really helped Gundam a whole lot, has it?
So, no Jack or Super tonight. Rick and Morty all the way up until midnight apparently.
I love Rick and Morty, but I was really looking forward to Jack tonight.
Also, I'm kind of excited for more AoT. Sucks for JoJo fans if it's done on Toonami. Of course that doesn't bother me much. Now I'm wondering if I should even bother finishing Battle Tendency since I fell behind.
I mean, they still might try airing Stardust Crusaders since JJBA isn't doing that poorly compared to the rest of the block (otherwise it would've been booted from 12:30 weeks ago), but I don't expect it to be a priority for them over other, newer shows they might be able to pick up.
Yeah, they could go after it eventually, although for all we know it could just be too expensive for Toonami to justify airing it. But, who knows? If they ever air it, I'll probably watch it, but for now I'm happy it's being replaced with something I'm pretty sure I'll enjoy.
I don't really care about Attack on Titan season two, but I'm still holding out hope that we get a MP100 or MHA announcement at some point this year.
As for JoJo's, I wouldn't be too surprised if they took a break after Battle Tendency and ended up airing Stardust Crusaders several months to a year or so after it ends. It could be something that they would save for after some of their other shows have run their course, or if other new shows that they try perform more poorly than JoJo's did (which all things considered did relatively OK compared to a lot of other shows on the block that were still allowed to air for quite a while).
So I am bummed about the lack of Jack. This was going to be my first time that I was able to catch it live since the premiere, but now I can't.
Ah well, I might hop back on for Jojo/HXH/Gundam.
That was a good episode of Rick and Morty, but if Adult Swim wanted to make people get sick of the show, they found a superb way to do it.
Season 2 is only 12 episodes long anyway so don't expect that timeslot to be gone forever.
Sweet. I hadn't really realised it was that short. I like those short shows. Of course I'd have been cool with it being like 25 or 26 as well.
Oh wait, Tokyo Ghoul took the 1 am slot, right? I might do the next episode, I guess. I wasn't that interested, but why not?
Or maybe I'll go back to Buffy. We'll see.
According to Jason, SC might still make it after all (https://ask.fm/Clarknova/answers/141001973993).
Also, I forgot that Tokyo Ghoul was a part of the poll he posted on Twitter a while ago. Mob Psycho 100 won with more votes than the other 2 series combined, so I'd like to think that it's on their agenda. And I'd also still like to get Lupin Part 4, as well. MHA, U&T, and BBB would each also be nice, of course.
Its not clear exactly how far they've dubbed into Stardust Crusaders. All we've seen is the three episodes released three years ago and a clip of the end of episode 5.
I would assume they have the first 24 episodes done by now at the very least. If they have to wait they could just put that part out.
AoT season 2 will probably be a big deal. It's premiere with MHA more or less killed Crunchyroll yesterday. No wonder the fanbase was so angry about only get 12 eps!
I thought I read somewhere that the first 24 episodes are done. There will be a few more empty slots in the next couple of months, with Unicorn at halfway, and Jack and AOT having a short run, so there might be room for SC soon. But probably not at 12:30.
But right now, I am curious about whether or not IBO season 2 is ready.
Quote from: Avaitor on April 02, 2017, 08:55:15 PM
I thought I read somewhere that the first 24 episodes are done. There will be a few more empty slots in the next couple of months, with Unicorn at halfway, and Jack and AOT having a short run, so there might be room for SC soon. But probably not at 12:30.
But right now, I am curious about whether or not IBO season 2 is ready.
I haven't been able to find the 24 episode claim anywhere besides second-hand, but based on this tweet by Richard Epcar (https://twitter.com/RichardEpcar/status/848437806665834496), it sounds like they've at least dubbed the first 20 episodes.
I wouldn't be surprised if SC comes after AoT Season 2 is done, though they'll likely push it from the 12:30 time-slot. In terms of IBO Season 2's dub, the dub started production all the way back in December. (http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2016/12/02/gundam-iron-blooded-orphans-season-2-english-dub-in-production) Assuming that Toonami plans to premiere it when Unicorn ends, it should be more than ready.
I hope they air IBO season 2. I don't really remember how the ratings were, but with Unicorn not looking too good last I checked, I'm legitimately curious if they might move on from anything Gundam.
I'm also curious about Blue Exorcist. If that did well for them back in the day, than they'll probably want to continue that as well.
Lots of new seasons and continuations of shows Toonami has already aired.
IBO did okay from what I recall. Gundam's always been a crapshoot here after Wing, but I think there would be enough interest to air the second season.
If they were to try anything after that... maybe the Build series? Those aren't for everyone, but I can't think of what else they could get away with. Unless they wait for the Origin OVAs.
Attack on Titan season 2 will be premiering on April 22nd at 12:30, one week earlier than previously announced. (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1735073940116779&substory_index=0&id=1440408039583372&refid=17&_ft_=top_level_post_id.1735073940116779%3Atl_objid.1735073940116779%3Athid.1440408039583372%3A306061129499414%3A69%3A0%3A1493621999%3A515994220129367299&__tn__=%2As)
JoJo's will be doubled up on the 15th to facilitate this.
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4/15 Line Up
11:00p – Samurai Jack
11:30p - Dragon Ball Super
12:00a – Sand Whale and Me Finale!
12:05a - Dragon Ball Kai
12:30a – JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
01:00a – JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
01:30a – Hunter x Hunter
02:00a – Gundam Unicorn
02:30a – Naruto Shippuden
03:00a – GITS: SAC
4/22 Line Up
11:00p – Samurai Jack
11:30p - Dragon Ball Super
12:00a - Dragon Ball Kai
12:30a – Attack on Titan Season 2 Premiere!
01:00a – Tokyo Ghoul
01:30a – Hunter x Hunter
02:00a – Gundam Unicorn
02:30a – Naruto Shippuden
03:00a – GITS: SAC
Quote from: Avaitor on April 03, 2017, 02:26:13 PM
IBO did okay from what I recall. Gundam's always been a crapshoot here after Wing, but I think there would be enough interest to air the second season.
If they were to try anything after that... maybe the Build series? Those aren't for everyone, but I can't think of what else they could get away with. Unless they wait for the Origin OVAs.
I'd say that it's very likely that IBO Season 2 will come to the block. In terms of future series, as much as I love Build Fighters + Try, the Asian-produced english dub (which is on the US home video release) is almost unwatchable and I doubt Sunrise would be willing to re-dub it. Origin would be a good choice, but Sunrise probably won't make a TV-cut for it until it finishes in 2018. In any case, new Gundam series come out on a yearly basis, so there will always be new Gundam for Toonami to pick up if they wish to do so.
Quote from: LumRanmaYasha on April 03, 2017, 03:46:14 PM
Attack on Titan season 2 will be premiering on April 22nd at 12:30, one week earlier than previously announced. (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1735073940116779&substory_index=0&id=1440408039583372&refid=17&_ft_=top_level_post_id.1735073940116779%3Atl_objid.1735073940116779%3Athid.1440408039583372%3A306061129499414%3A69%3A0%3A1493621999%3A515994220129367299&__tn__=%2As) JoJo's will be doubled up on the 15th to facilitate this.
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4/15 Line Up
11:00p – Samurai Jack
11:30p - Dragon Ball Super
12:00a – Sand Whale and Me Finale!
12:05a - Dragon Ball Kai
12:30a – JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
01:00a – JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
01:30a – Hunter x Hunter
02:00a – Gundam Unicorn
02:30a – Naruto Shippuden
03:00a – GITS: SAC
4/22 Line Up
11:00p – Samurai Jack
11:30p - Dragon Ball Super
12:00a - Dragon Ball Kai
12:30a – Attack on Titan Season 2 Premiere!
01:00a – Tokyo Ghoul
01:30a – Hunter x Hunter
02:00a – Gundam Unicorn
02:30a – Naruto Shippuden
03:00a – GITS: SAC
I guess they wanted to get AoT Season 2 on the block as soon as possible. I'm a bit surprised that it's only getting 12:30, though I guess they didn't want to shift stuff around for only 12 weeks.
I find it both weird and funny that AoT will be after Kai. Guess they really wanted to keep that hour of Dragon Ball together. Part of me thought they might move the DB hour to 12-1. But, I guess not.
How did AOT's first season do in comparison to how Super and Kai have been doing?
Quote from: Avaitor on April 03, 2017, 04:16:26 PMHow did AOT's first season do in comparison to how Super and Kai have been doing?
The first season of
AoT often did in the 1.0-1.4 million viewer range. Here are the ratings from Toonami Faithful's forum. (http://toonamifaithful.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=561&start=700)
DeMarco said on his ask that Stardust Crusaders is "likely" to come after AoT finishes. Not full on confirmation, but I guess it's a big possibility.
Honestly, I kind of hope it doesn't, but it's still a few months away.
Build Fighters has no place on Toonami. Especially with a Hong Kong dub.
Wow, they just aired an old video game review of Moltar's.
Do they do this often?
They have the last few weeks. In celebration of the anniversary most likely.
And now they just aired an old Robotech commercial.
Makes sense.
That Robotech ad not only reminds me of how great they used to be at pumping us up for shows, but also want to rewatch Macross.
It's speculation time!
Voice actor Tara Sands has been leaving a few interesting Tweets over the past week.
This Tweet (https://twitter.com/TaraSandsLA/status/849354988761624576) hints at something that is five months away and is coming to Toonami. Tokyo Ghoul is expected to end in September, so it's likely that show's replacement.
This later Tweet (https://twitter.com/TaraSandsLA/status/849370045482504193) says she'll be in two shows, and this one vaguely says "a few months" instead of five. One of the responses suggested Gundam Thunderbolt, and she revealed that she voiced Karla in that series.
Unicorn is expected to end in June, so if the evidence matches up, Thunderbolt might be next.
I'm sort of doubtful that Thunderbolt will be showing up on the block. The first season is only 4 eps long with each being roughly 18 mins in length, and Sunrise only dubbed the film version December Sky. It's simply too short for them to air.
They're just going to air Iron Blooded Orphans 2 and then probably bury Gundam for a while. Outside of sloppy seconds in the shape of 00 there's nothing left to air.
My local comic book shop will be doing Toonami trivia soon, and I'm going to help write questions for it.
They're doing two separate events, the first involving shows from 1997-2007, the other from 2012 on. We're aiming for one question per show, and probably a couple of Gundam and DB questions, as well as some stuff about TOM, the Intruder, etc. I intend to come up with two questions per as many shows as I can, and they can choose which one to take.
I realize, though, that I'm better to help for some series rather than others. Both games will have One Piece stuff, but I don't really know the arcs that were present during each period, so I won't be much help there. If someone would like to help me with that, that would be great.
Quote from: Avaitor on April 13, 2017, 11:14:17 AMBoth games will have One Piece stuff, but I don't really know the arcs that were present during each period, so I won't be much help there. If someone would like to help me with that, that would be great.
Old Toonami arcs:Romance Dawn
Orange Town
Syrup Village
Baratie
Arlong Park
Loguetown
Reverse Mountain (minus Laboon)
Whiskey Peak (Misty Peak in 4Kids' dub)
Drum Island
Alabasta
Rainbow Mist (4Kids' dub ends here)
Jaya
Skypiea (unfinished due to Toonami removing it from the schedule)
New Toonami arcs:Long Ring Long Land
Ocean's Dream
Foxy's Return
Water 7
Enies Lobby
Post-Enies Lobby
Lovely Land
Thriller Bark
Spa Island
EDIT: Might as well include this...
Skipped arcs (mostly "thanks" to 4Kids):
Buggy Side Story
Warship Island
Coby and Helmeppo (2-episode side story)
Little Garden
Post-Alabasta
Goat Island
G-8 (this last one wasn't due to 4Kids; Toonami just wanted to skip ahead to season 4)
So is Jaya the first Funi arc that Toonami aired?
yes
... Goddammit, Aku.
:'(
Trying to figure out what the tears are for, but I'm not really sure. ???
Quote from: Dreamer2 on April 17, 2017, 01:34:08 AMTrying to figure out what the tears are for, but I'm not really sure. ???
Spoiler
The Scotsman was killed in the latest episode of Samurai Jack.
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1.kym-cdn.com%2Fphotos%2Fimages%2Foriginal%2F001%2F244%2F258%2F58a.png&hash=7570cad40eb1035dc3778a22b0e746c3481032e0)
They got the first season of Big O back! (http://toonamifaithful.com/toonami-and-adult-swim-gets-the-rights-back-for-big-o-season-1) :joy:
Terrific news!
I still want to complete Big O.
Would be nice if somehow a Season 3 became reality.
Quote from: gunswordfist on April 25, 2017, 05:55:17 PMI still want to complete Big O.
The Blu-Ray releases June 20.
https://shop.sentaifilmworks.com/products/big-o-the-complete-collection
Quote from: Daikun on April 26, 2017, 04:46:42 AM
Quote from: gunswordfist on April 25, 2017, 05:55:17 PMI still want to complete Big O.
The Blu-Ray releases June 20.
https://shop.sentaifilmworks.com/products/big-o-the-complete-collection
That's what I am waiting for!
So Titan's ratings are slouching. Has the series peaked in popularity, or do people just not want to stick around after DBZ?
AoT's peak popularity has passed. It's still really popular, but it isn't what it used to be.
Quote from: Avaitor on May 09, 2017, 06:12:50 PMSo Titan's ratings are slouching. Has the series peaked in popularity, or do people just not want to stick around after DBZ?
Interest in
AoT dropped considerably during the few years between the two seasons. The manga is ridiculously far ahead, so most folks just fast-forwarded.
I wouldn't blame them for losing patience. I mean, come on. Four years to make 12 episodes? If it was another 25-episode season, it would be more understandable, but
TWELVE?!
Except they didn't spend four years to make 12 episodes. They only started working on it after Kabaneri wrapped up production. I can understand the frustration that they waited so long to make the second season and that it's only one cour, but Titan is an insanely time-consuming show to make with high production values, and it's becoming increasingly difficult for studios to handle two cours+ seasons in general. Cut them some slack.
Titan's popularity hasn't really slouched. If you look at tv trends as a whole, less people are watching tv in general compared to 2016, and ratings are down across the board. The 12:30pm timeslot has consistently seen significant drops from DBZ Kai in recent months. It happened with JoJo, and it's happening with Titan now. Titan's ratings aren't outstanding, but they are pretty typical for what we've seen shows in the 12:30am slot get recently. All that really says about Titan is that it's not popular enough to retain all of the DBZ audience which to be fair few shows really have.
They won't be taking another four years to make another single cour season either. After this there's Kabaneri season 2 and then they'll probably get to work on more AoT.
Much as I don't care for the series, Wit does a great job on it and it is in their best interest to take as much time as they can with the property.
It does seem that the show's popularity has dropped, even if the franchise itself's popularity hasn't. And I do think it would have been better to wait a little longer to have aired it, since I know a lot of people are watching the sub as it's being streamed. If they waited for the season to finish, those fans would be more likely to rewatch it on Toonami.
But really, I do wonder if this means that Jojo isn't a lost cause here, and that later shows on Toonami just won't break a mill on the regular anymore. Granted, even if Toonami viewers just didn't gel with JJBA, I don't think that it's entirely a lost cause here, as the manga does sell, but it did seem like the block's general viewers weren't vibing with it.
Quote from: Avaitor on May 09, 2017, 10:06:01 PM
But really, I do wonder if this means that Jojo isn't a lost cause here, and that later shows on Toonami just won't break a mill on the regular anymore. Granted, even if Toonami viewers just didn't gel with JJBA, I don't think that it's entirely a lost cause here, as the manga does sell, but it did seem like the block's general viewers weren't vibing with it.
Yeah, I'm starting to think that JoJo didn't perform as bad on the block as we initially thought, given AoT Season 2's ratings in the slot. I'm pretty confident that we'll be getting Stardust Crusaders soon regardless, especially considering how open Jason DeMarco has been about Toonami airing it in the future.
AoT's ratings do seem mediocre, but just looking at the numbers really isn't enough. And since I don't really look at other networks ratings at the same time, I don't really know how good or bad it's doing.
I would assume Toonami picking up JoJo hinges upon how expensive it is and if there's something better out there they can pick up. I'm leaning towards thinking that they will air Stardust Crusaders. But, I really really hope not. AoT season 2 has been so much more enjoyable than JoJo ever was. And it doesn't even feel like all that much has happened.
Not a fan of post season one AOT at all, personally. I'm a fan of a decent chunk of Tetsuo Araki's work, but when he has bad material to work with, there isn't much he can do to make it interesting other than making it laughably over the top, but I don't even find this to be unintentionally entertaining. Personally, I find Hajime Iseyama's writing to be middling at best, but his utterly flat characters combined with an uninspired plot make for a more boring affair than anything else when it comes to AOT, IMO. I probably would have loved this series about ten years ago, but the older I get and the more anime and manga that I've experienced have drastically changed what I do and don't appreciate about the medium over time.
As for JoJo, while I can certainly understand not enjoying it, it's important to note that the reason it resonates so so strongly among the anime and manga community (not necessarily the Toonami crowd) is partly because of how increasingly creative and insane each new encounter gets to the point in which it manages to sustain itself purely on the strength of how unique and unpredictable each and every fight or general encounter is. Parts 3 and onward have some of my favorite fights of any manga or anime series of all time. The other reason that its popular with a lot of people in the anime streaming and manga community is just how much personality the series conveys through its characters and general style, to the point where there's literally nothing else even remotely like it in the medium, yet it's also cited as one of the most highly influential and important manga of all time by many veterans (Yoshihiro Togashi of Yu Yu Hakusho and Hunter X Hunter fame in particular draws quite a lot of clear inspiration from JoJo's with how dynamic his fights get). And, mind you, this isn't even my favorite Shonen Jump manga. On the whole I would probably rank stuff like Dragonball, Dr. Slump, Rurouni Kenshin, Slam Dunk, One Piece, and a few others above it (and Yu Yu Hakusho especially if we're including anime adaptations). However, I definitely still consider it to be well-deserved of its status as a classic.
Like I said on the Toonami board on TZ, though, while I do hope that Toonami airs Stardust Crusaders and future seasons of JoJo's, I perfectly understand if they don't find it to be worth the investment. I would still encourage them, though, to keep taking risks and give other less conventional series a chance in the limelight, as there may be some that actually go over quite well with the Toonami crowd.
Even if Stardust Crusaders meanders, I'd take it any day over
Spoiler
the Madagascar reveal.
Quote from: Avaitor on May 09, 2017, 06:12:50 PM
So Titan's ratings are slouching. Has the series peaked in popularity, or do people just not want to stick around after DBZ?
Everything they've tried after DBZ has taken a dive (except One Punch Man). So its not entirely Titan's fault.
It seems more to me that DBZ Kai and Super's substantially higher ratings are more reflective of the DB fan-base in particular, whereas the rest of the block is more indicative of how many anime fans actually tune in. I happen to know a lot of people who like DBZ but don't generally watch any other anime.
Quote from: VLordGTZ on May 09, 2017, 10:18:09 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on May 09, 2017, 10:06:01 PM
But really, I do wonder if this means that Jojo isn't a lost cause here, and that later shows on Toonami just won't break a mill on the regular anymore. Granted, even if Toonami viewers just didn't gel with JJBA, I don't think that it's entirely a lost cause here, as the manga does sell, but it did seem like the block's general viewers weren't vibing with it.
Yeah, I'm starting to think that JoJo didn't perform as bad on the block as we initially thought, given AoT Season 2's ratings in the slot. I'm pretty confident that we'll be getting Stardust Crusaders soon regardless, especially considering how open Jason DeMarco has been about Toonami airing it in the future.
Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!
Quote from: Lord Dalek on May 10, 2017, 12:57:26 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on May 09, 2017, 06:12:50 PM
So Titan's ratings are slouching. Has the series peaked in popularity, or do people just not want to stick around after DBZ?
Everything they've tried after DBZ has taken a dive (except One Punch Man). So its not entirely Titan's fault.
So then, do you think OPM season 2 will have a ratings drop as well? I'm not sure, since we won't have to wait as long as AOT fans have. I still say the best route is to wait for it to finish airing in Japan, or at least try to get the dub on the air the same week.
Also, Samurai Jack marathon on the 27th. This'll be good if you feel like rewatching the season.
I think at this point OPM has surpassed AoT in general popularity in NA. I would assume the ratings would remain unchanged since there won't be nearly as big a gap between the seasons like there were for AoT.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 11, 2017, 07:52:09 PM
I think at this point OPM has surpassed AoT in general popularity in NA. I would assume the ratings would remain unchanged since there won't be nearly as big a gap between the seasons like there were for AoT.
What, really?
Quote from: gunswordfist on May 11, 2017, 08:02:30 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 11, 2017, 07:52:09 PM
I think at this point OPM has surpassed AoT in general popularity in NA. I would assume the ratings would remain unchanged since there won't be nearly as big a gap between the seasons like there were for AoT.
What, really?
Just a personal feeling. I see a lot of people going on about OPM, including non-anime fans and general audiences, like I used to for AoT. AoT doesn't get as much attention as it used to from non-anime fans.
Surprising because AOT is/was huge. This would be incredible news to me.
Madagascar really killed the hype, I guess.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on May 12, 2017, 03:43:17 PMMadagascar really killed the hype, I guess.
Um... What?
Quote from: Daikun on May 12, 2017, 04:19:14 PM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on May 12, 2017, 03:43:17 PMMadagascar really killed the hype, I guess.
Um... What?
Really big spoilers. Don't read if you don't want to know what happens in the manga.
Spoiler
All of AoT takes place on an island - Madagascar. The ruling family of the three walls escaped there after Africa revolted. See, there was originally a group of chosen people who made a "deal with the devil" to become titans. They conquered the world. Then the world revolted. The chosen people got segregated and discriminated against. Those who escaped went to Madagascar. Those who remained tried to revolt. This included Eren's dad Grisha, who was part of the rebellion. They failed. Grisha's homies all got turned into titans - the same ones from the first few episodes. Smiling Titan? Grisha's FIRST wife. Gentoo Titan and Anime Titan? Members of the rebellion, etc.
Remember Monkey Titan? Grisha's son by first wife. Eren's half brother (same dad, diff mom). Works with Nazi Steampunk Africa to kill the escaped chosen people.
Now Eren's like "Well, if we go past the walls, we got African Steampunk Nazis to deal with so what the fuck do we do?"
The answer? A four year timeskip into the perspective of the peeps on the mainland.
It's times like this I figure, why should I make fun of AoT? Isayama does it for me.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on May 12, 2017, 04:48:15 PMReally big spoilers. Don't read if you don't want to know what happens in the manga.
Oh. I thought you were talking about the DreamWorks movie. :lol:
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 11, 2017, 08:23:45 PM
Quote from: gunswordfist on May 11, 2017, 08:02:30 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 11, 2017, 07:52:09 PM
I think at this point OPM has surpassed AoT in general popularity in NA. I would assume the ratings would remain unchanged since there won't be nearly as big a gap between the seasons like there were for AoT.
What, really?
Just a personal feeling. I see a lot of people going on about OPM, including non-anime fans and general audiences, like I used to for AoT. AoT doesn't get as much attention as it used to from non-anime fans.
Yeah, OPM is more recent and therefore fresher in people's minds. Not to mention that we should be getting season 2 by the end of the year, which is a smaller gap than Titan.
That said, hopefully we'll get Mob Psycho 100 soon as well.
Is Mob's dub good?
Really good. It's one of Funi's best recent ones with BBB and MHA.
Ah sweet, I knew it had potential.
Lupin III Part IV is coming to Toonami on June 17th!!! (http://www.prweb.com/releases/2017/05/prweb14347072.htm) :shakeshakeshake:
Now this is exciting. I've always wanted to watch something Lupin, but I just never did. Here's my chance.
So, remember when Adult Swim aired the old Lupin III show back in 2003?
They're bringing back the old dub cast (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-11-01/discotek-licenses-lupin-iii-part-iv-for-2017-release-with-english-dub/.108332) for this new series. EDIT: Except Zenigata.
After watching one of his other shows, the writer for the new Lupin III series unnerves me in ways I never expected.
Obviously ratings can't be that big a deal for show pick ups. Lupin was not a good performer for AS back in the day, and I doubt this will change much.
Still, glad they're trying.
Lupin getting picked up probably has a lot to do with Demarco being a big fan of the franchise, though apparently it was still getting a number of requests. In terms of how it will perform, it probably won't do gangbusters but it shouldn't be too difficult for it to be considered a "success" at 1:30 am. What I find curious about this though, is that Lupin is replacing Gundam Unicorn. IBO Season 2 should be ready by now, so you'd think that they'd replace the Gundam series with another Gundam.
I can see them taking a break with Gundam, since Unicorn has not been a hit to say the least. I think IBO did decently enough to warrant the second season coming by the end of the year, but it's time to give another underperformer a shot this generation.
I'm really excited for Part IV, but I do wonder why Mob Psycho 100 isn't happening yet, since that won the poll by a landslide. Lupin was last in it, but to be fair, it wasn't that distant from Tokyo Ghoul.
Quote from: Avaitor on May 19, 2017, 02:21:02 AM
I'm really excited for Part IV, but I do wonder why Mob Psycho 100 isn't happening yet, since that won the poll by a landslide. Lupin was last in it, but to be fair, it wasn't that distant from Tokyo Ghoul.
There could be a bunch of reasons, like cost or if the dub is even ready yet. I haven't been paying attention to the dub timeline, so I don't know how far along they are.
Or it could come down to what VLordGTZ said, with DeMarco seemingly being a big Lupin fan, maybe the Toonami team just preferred to get that one now. I think they tried to get Fujiko Mine a while back. So, it seems they really wanted something Lupin related on the block. And who knows maybe Mob Psycho 100 will replace Titan. It would be getting a better timeslot as well.
The series is completely dubbed.
It might be that Funimation will only give it to them if they promise to air another show that AS doesn't feel like. Could be anything really.
Well if that's the case than like you said there could be many reasons. Lots of options for Toonami moving forward. It'll be interesting to see what they do.
I still want My Hero Academia. I've been putting off watching it hoping Toonami picks it up, but maybe I should just start it some time. Or maybe I should just read the manga.
Mob, MHA, and Ushio & Tora are the series I'd like to see show up the most, but I think the first is the most probable. I don't expect MHA until after season 2 is done, and I don't expect U&T unless Sentai finally gets another show on the block.
But yeah, I highly recommend reading or watching MHA. Best thing currently running in Jump.
It only just premiered, but Lupin seems like a bomb for Toonami. A shockingly high amount of viewers dropped out and tuned back in for Naruto. Do you think that this is another series that just won't catch on stateside?
Ugh, that would be my guess. I don't get why casuals won't even give Lupin a try.
If Part IV won't appeal to US casuals, then nothing in the franchise will. Toonami viewers prefer hyperviolent shonen action stuff, and anything else fails to perform. Lupin's just not the kind of show that mainstream anime consumers gravitate towards.
It's mostly the mainstream shonen that get the views on Toonami, and even then, it takes either nostalgia or a superficial "cool" factor to get a large enough audience invested in a show. Dragon Ball Z/Super and Naruto secure views thanks to the former factor, whereas stuff like Attack on Titan and One Punch Man did well because of the latter, with AoT being The Walking Dead of anime (in that it's popular and entertaining so long as you don't stop to think how stupid its writing and characters are), whereas OPM is sort of like the Deadpool of anime in that it's simultaneously parodying and celebrating its genre of inspiration. And then there's stuff like Sword Art Online....still not sure how or why that even has an audience to begin with, but it's a thing that exists, and apparently it had a successful run on Toonami....which it boggles my mind just thinking about.
Stuff that strays too far from the norm just don't tend to do as well, with Space Dandy being among the few exceptions. And also, despite fitting into the shonen category, One Piece didn't do very well because Toonami had to start it in the middle of its run, except a large chunk of the audience never really watched OP back in the day like they did for DBZ and Naruto, and didn't want to play catch-up to such an already long series. The art-style may also have been a turn off. Stuff like Hunter X Hunter fairs a bit better, but of the TZ crowd is any indications, it's unorthodox story structure actually doesn't work too well for a lot of people, and it's the more familiar shonen elements that seem to keep a moderately sized audience at least lukewarm enough on the show to justify keeping it around.
At any rate, something like My Hero Academia would likely do quite well on Toonami, as well as Mob Psycho 100 if viewers can be more accepting of its unique art-style. Meanwhile, something like Blood Blockade Battlefront, while being a suitable fit for the block, probably wouldn't jive with the majority of people who regularly tune in to Toonami.
Parasyte seems to be the last non-shonen series to make a big splash on Toonami. You'd think that they should try more horror series... except Tokyo Ghoul's not really breaking records, either.
Did Parasyte do all that well ratings wise? I thought it's ratings were decent, but nothing too special. Kind of like HxH. Of course we can never know the full extent of ratings, since DVR, On demand, and views on the AS website probably play a big role in determining how well a show is doing.
I'll admit that I didn't check the ratings as much at that point, but I thought that it hit a mill or close to somewhat often. But I think the block was also doing better on a whole back then.
It did also get a repeat slot, albeit at 3 am.
The followup to Parasyte will probably depend on if Sentai is going to push one of their newer shows for Toonami. I'm just hoping it's U&T and not Gate or something.
Quote from: Avaitor on June 21, 2017, 11:12:41 PM
I'll admit that I didn't check the ratings as much at that point, but I thought that it hit a mill or close to somewhat often. But I think the block was also doing better on a whole back then.
It did also get a repeat slot, albeit at 3 am.
I remember Demarco mentioning that they re-ran Parasyte since its performance exceeded their expectations, so I'd say that it was a success. I'm surprised Toonami hasn't had another Sentai pick-up since both AgK and Parasyte did well on the block, but it's possible that Sentai wants to focus on their Anime Strike and HiDive streaming partnerships moving forward.
Quote from: LumRanmaYasha on June 21, 2017, 08:15:02 PM
If Part IV won't appeal to US casuals, then nothing in the franchise will. Toonami viewers prefer hyperviolent shonen action stuff, and anything else fails to perform. Lupin's just not the kind of show that mainstream anime consumers gravitate towards.
I pretty much agree with this. While Lupin has a cult following within the western anime fandom, it doesn't appeal to casual anime viewing audiences. Maybe it's a good thing that S&P prevented them from airing The Woman Called Fujiko Mine, because if Part IV is doing bad then I can't imagine how hard that would have bombed. :-\
Quote from: Avaitor on June 21, 2017, 11:05:59 AM
Do you think that this is another series that just won't catch on stateside?
"Think?" More like know. Lupin never took off in the US. That's why Discotek has it now, it's sales poison.
Quote from: gunswordfist on June 21, 2017, 03:07:47 PM
Ugh, that would be my guess. I don't get why casuals won't even give Lupin a try.
I love the Lupin series, but I think it may have a lot to do with casual viewers not wanting to get into a series where the main cast are criminals. Unless I'm mistaken, Death Note never did anything special on Toonami when it was on. Shows like Cowboy Bebop or Stand Alone Complex did better (though not at DB level), and they were about bounty hunters and cops. Most American pop culture fans want to see traditional heroes when it comes to animation. A lot of people may be burnt out on all the anti-heroes that have prominent on-and-off since the nineties.
It could also be aesthetics. I can see Lupin and Jigen being considered too ugly to people, and they might not be impressed by the art style. Its unfortunate, but some people just won't get past things like that on the surface. I can't help wondering if Lupin would succeed if there was a faithful American live action series.
Then again, there is also the timeslot always being late at night. Adult Swim could put Toonami at the early hours on Saturday with Lupin sandwiched between Dragon Ball Super and any other ratings-grabber, but the same could be said for about any other show on Toonami.
You're right about Death Note not doing well on [as], but I think most things not Bleach or FMA just didn't do that hot back then- the series did end up doing very well stateside elsewhere.
Maybe aesthetics has some part in it, but I think Lupin would have been a tough sale anywhere on the block. The thing of note is that a lot of people dropped off after HXH, and a handful came back for Naruto.
There were also things like trying to capitalize on the popularity of Cowboy Bebop and how it connected (superficially) to Lupin. And TMS Entertainment's habit of enforcing stupid localization changes to their properties that in many ways damaged the creator's original intent (although this effected Detective Conan more than Lupin around that time). Its ultimately just another case of "Once a failure always a failure", kinda like One Piece.
I remember some cringey random pop culture references in Lupin's first run, but I don't think the original version would have done more than maybe a tad better.
Quote from: Peanutbutter on June 24, 2017, 02:14:50 AM
I remember some cringey random pop culture references in Lupin's first run, but I don't think the original version would have done more than maybe a tad better.
That's just in the dub..
I tried watching the dub for Part 2, and while the voice acting is fine, the references are just cringey. Why did Fujiko namedrop The Simpsons when it wouldn't exist for over a decade after this show was made?
Guess I'm an outlier, because I love the part 2 dub, references and all. :D That cast are the voices I associate most with those characters, which is why I'm so happy they came back for Part IV.
Quote from: gunswordfist on June 24, 2017, 04:05:08 PM
Quote from: Peanutbutter on June 24, 2017, 02:14:50 AM
I remember some cringey random pop culture references in Lupin's first run, but I don't think the original version would have done more than maybe a tad better.
That's just in the dub..
Yes, because we're talking about Toonami.
My first exposure to Lupin III was in my high school Japanese class when the teacher showed us Castle of Cagliostro with the original audio, after which I proceeded to watch the original TV series which has never been dubbed, so I'm more attached to the Japanese voices myself.
I was introduced to Lupin through the Part 2 dub, which is why I'm so partial to it. Most of the shows I prefer dubbed are because I saw them that way first.
Quote from: LumRanmaYasha on June 25, 2017, 09:58:23 PM
I was introduced to Lupin through the Part 2 dub, which is why I'm so partial to it. Most of the shows I prefer dubbed are because I saw them that way first.
Same for me, and likewise when it comes to the original voice acting. The only series I watched first in Japanese but ended up preferring in English was Black Lagoon.
My first exposure to Lupin was the dub for Part 2 as well, but I didn't really like the show when it aired on [as] way back when. I did like Castle of Caligostro when I got to it a little while later, but it's only been in the past few years that I've really grown an appreciation for the franchise.
But I still don't have a lot of love for the dub.
Gundam: IBO season 2 replaces Tokyo Ghoul in October. (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/photos/a.1442483259375850.1073741828.1440408039583372/1775496049407901/?type=3)
And Stardust Crusaders is replacing AoT at 12:30am starting July 29th! (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/videos/1775482119409294/)
Gundam IBO season 2: :thumbup:
Jojo Stardust Crusaders: :whuh:
Yeah, I'm probably not watching Stardust Crusaders. I didn't even finish Battle Tendency. Really disappointed Toonami's airing it. But, I guess it's good for it's fans.
Poor My Hero Academia. It would honestly amaze me if it never shows up, but who knows its possible.
I was assuming that they'd do some re-runs of AOT first (albeit at a later time slot) and then put in Stardust Crusaders after they managed to free up another thirty minutes from the block. Either way, I'll gladly take SC, myself, over AOT any day, and SC isn't even my favorite part of JoJo's.
Quote from: Dreamer2 on July 02, 2017, 12:40:37 AMPoor My Hero Academia. It would honestly amaze me if it never shows up, but who knows its possible.
They are probably just waiting for season two to finish airing. FUNimation is currently releasing the simuldub for it, and the second season has just reached its halfway point, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a future announcement for MHA turn up sometime around the Fall or Early Winter later this year.
Ah, I didn't realize My Hero Academia season 2 was only at the half way point. Well I'm hoping for it at some point soon.
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on July 02, 2017, 12:53:49 AMI was assuming that they'd do some re-runs of AOT first (albeit at a later time slot) and then put in Stardust Crusaders after they managed to free up another thirty minutes from the block.
How interesting that you would bring that up. Starting next week, Toonami is shifting time slots. (http://adultswim.x10.mx) It will now run from 11:30-4:00. The only difference is that
Samurai Jack is being moved from the start of the block to the end; none of the other shows will be affected.
I'm willing to bet that they'll let
SJ finish its course, then place something else there for reruns. I can see
AoT fitting there quite nicely.
Great news for both!
I do wonder if Lupin will be taken off early for something else, and if so, what would replace it?
Quote from: Avaitor on July 02, 2017, 01:19:57 AM
I do wonder if Lupin will be taken off early for something else, and if so, what would replace it?
Considering that they didn't take off Tenchi Muyo GXP early despite its godawful ratings, I think Lupin will end up airing it's full run. Worst case scenario, I see it being pushed behind Shippuden.
I'm wasn't a huge fan of IBO Season 1, but it was still enjoyable enough that I'm interested in watching Season 2. Stardust Crusaders, on the other hand, I'm definitely excited to see on the block!
Quote from: Daikun on July 02, 2017, 01:17:39 AMStarting next week, Toonami is shifting time slots. (http://adultswim.x10.mx) It will now run from 11:30-4:00. The only difference is that Samurai Jack is being moved from the start of the block to the end; none of the other shows will be affected.
I'm willing to bet that they'll let SJ finish its course, then place something else there for reruns. I can see AoT fitting there quite nicely.
Well... Never mind.
SJ is airing now and it just has regular Adult Swim bumpers. It's not part of the Toonami block.
Quote from: Dreamer2 on July 02, 2017, 12:40:37 AM
Yeah, I'm probably not watching Stardust Crusaders. I didn't even finish Battle Tendency. Really disappointed Toonami's airing it. But, I guess it's good for it's fans.
Part 3's a lot different from the previous two parts, and represents a giant shift in how the series unfolds its plot, so you might like it more than Battle Tendency. I know people who loved Parts 1 and 2 but despised Part 3 because of how different it was.
Quote from: VLordGTZ on July 02, 2017, 02:29:13 AM
I'm wasn't a huge fan of IBO Season 1, but it was still enjoyable enough that I'm interested in watching Season 2.
I didn't know what to make of IBO. I liked that it did some subversive things compared to other Gundam series, but everything else seemed more baffling than intriguing. And what I saw of the finale left a bitter taste in my mouth.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on July 02, 2017, 05:21:27 AM
Part 3's a lot different from the previous two parts, and represents a giant shift in how the series unfolds its plot, so you might like it more than Battle Tendency. I know people who loved Parts 1 and 2 but despised Part 3 because of how different it was.
I've seen people say something similar to this before and who knows maybe I would like SC. But, I just have so little interest in the JoJo world after the terrible Phantom Blood and the very very mediocre Battle Tendency, that I just don't really want to bother. I gave JoJo 20ish episodes and it didn't impress me. If I watch Toonami live I may have it on as background noise while I wait for Tokyo Ghoul, but that'll probably be it.
Great to see JoJo getting another shot. Still hoping for MHA and U&T to get a shot, but these are good choices.
Hol Horse's dub voice is sexy. (https://youtu.be/itLSiUL6EY4)
Quote from: LumRanmaYasha on June 25, 2017, 04:24:26 PM
Guess I'm an outlier, because I love the part 2 dub, references and all. :D That cast are the voices I associate most with those characters, which is why I'm so happy they came back for Part IV.
Wait, *THAT* cast came back! :shakeshakeshake:
New TIE premiering in the Fall called Countdown. (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/videos/1784362678521238)
STARDUST CRUSADERS PREMIERE ON THE LIVE STREAM! GO WATCH IT!
http://www.adultswim.com/videos/streams
Couldn't tell if they redubbed the first episode, but I think they left it as is. Which they might as well since they didn't change the casting.
I'm sure they re-recorded it for the sake of consistency with the rest of the episodes, but it's probably hard to tell since it's the exact same cast and recording studio.
Toonami's JoJo SC promo was pretty decent and kind of made me interested. Not really sure why though. And this is coming from someone who doesn't like Dio and has very little interest in seeing him again. What to do, watch or not watch? ???
Quote from: Dreamer2 on July 22, 2017, 10:49:13 PM
Toonami's JoJo SC promo was pretty decent and kind of made me interested. Not really sure why though. And this is coming from someone who doesn't like Dio and has very little interest in seeing him again. What to do, watch or not watch? ???
They fight a talking orangutan early in the show.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on July 22, 2017, 10:57:05 PM
They fight a talking orangutan early in the show.
:awesome:
Am I really about to watch more JoJo? I never even finished Battle Tendency. I'm going to assume I don't need to finish it to understand what's going on here, because I don't want to. Not even a little bit.
Quote from: Dreamer2 on July 22, 2017, 11:01:25 PM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on July 22, 2017, 10:57:05 PM
They fight a talking orangutan early in the show.
:awesome:
Am I really about to watch more JoJo? I never even finished Battle Tendency. I'm going to assume I don't need to finish it to understand what's going on here, because I don't want to. Not even a little bit.
Most of the parts are self-contained, but here's an AMV of Parts 1 and 2 that recaps their events (https://youtu.be/elGX9rQesrI).
Toonami is getting back 11PM this Saturday. (http://toonamifaithful.com/news-toonami-expands-schedule-to-11-pm-330-am)
It seems Outlaw Star will be replacing GitS at 2:30 am, starting August 19th.
Surprising, but I've never seen much of it and it seems like its pretty popular, so I'm looking forward to it.
Pretty cool news! I was considering buying the new set, and now I think that I will to play catch-up with new viewers.
I rewatched it about a year ago and still bought the new set. Series still rocks.
Rewatched it last year, it still holds up pretty well.
I really want to buy the box set. I rewatched most of it from my library 5 or so years ago. I loved it!
Yeah, I rewatched it about a year or two ago and really enjoyed it. I do want to get the set, but not for $65 at FYE. :immad:
Outlaw Star running on the block is something fans has been something people have been wanting since it returned, so it's cool that they're doing it. It'd be interesting if after it ends they get another old [as]/Toonami show like Trigun to replace it and have a designated classic show slot from there on.
I think Gundam Wing has a shot of being next, since it also had a recent remaster and an upcoming HD release coming out, but Trigun and YYH would be just as welcome in my eyes.
Of course, they could also do Big O, since they just finally got the rights back to the first season, and it also has a new HD release.
Yeah, I'd have to imagine they wouldn't pass up an opportunity to run season one of Big O after only being able to run season 2 for years. I wouldn't be surprised if that's what they choose to re-run after OS.
I feel like if they were to bring back a classic show after Outlaw Star finishes it's run, I was thinking either FLCL, Gundam Wing, Big O, or Cowboy Bebop
I know FLCL and Bebop have been rerun to death, but FLCL is getting new episodes soon and Cowboy Bebop didn't get to finish it's HD run. Big O and Gundam Wing are for reasons that Avaitor has already said.
I do think that FLCL will definitely reair before the new season starts. They might wait until closer to that point, but honestly, the show's short enough that they could air it a couple of times before then. And I do think that Bebop will come back soon, but I think it would be a little more fair if they could bring SAC back to air Second Gig first.
FLCL has been rerun to death already.
Quote from: Lord Dalek on August 20, 2017, 05:45:35 PM
FLCL has been rerun to death already.
I definitely want FLCL reruns now.
Quote from: Lord Dalek on August 20, 2017, 05:45:35 PM
FLCL has been rerun to death already.
It's been 4 years since its last airing, lol.
New schedule starting on the ninth.
11:00PM – Dragon Ball Super
11:30PM – DBZ: Kai
12:00AM – JoJo's Bizarre Adventures
12:30AM – Tokyo Ghoul
1:00AM – Hunter x Hunter
1:30AM – Lupin the III
2:00AM – Naruto: Shippuden
2:30AM – Outlaw Star
3:00AM – Cowboy Bebop
3:30AM – Attack on Titan
:swoon:
Now all we need is for Trigun to replace Shippuden and the trinity will be complete!
Quote from: Rynnec on September 01, 2017, 08:24:32 PM
Now all we need is for Trigun to replace Shippuden and the trinity will be complete!
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!
Quote from: gunswordfist on September 01, 2017, 09:37:36 PM
Quote from: Rynnec on September 01, 2017, 08:24:32 PM
Now all we need is for Trigun to replace Shippuden and the trinity will be complete!
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!
It would almost make up for that time Adult Swim gave a white supremacist his own show.
Quote from: gunswordfist on September 01, 2017, 09:37:36 PM
Quote from: Rynnec on September 01, 2017, 08:24:32 PM
Now all we need is for Trigun to replace Shippuden and the trinity will be complete!
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!
Would be even better if they got BBB so they could just have an hour of Nightow on top of it.
Good(-ish) news for ratings naysayers! Toonami's expanding to 11!
Bad news! .............
https://twitter.com/ToonamiNews/status/931623223338270720
So now I'm wondering why this instead of MHA. This is really silly.
For some reason, Jason thinks MHA is on Netflix, and is therefor off limits.
I can't speak for Black Clover myself having only seen a clip of it but I do find it funny that people there on Twitter are all "This is terrible!!" when by now we've had Sword Art Online, Deadman, Akame Ga Kill, Attack on Titan.... like, thanks for waking up?
No problem with Black Clover, but there are plenty of other more deserving series. Like My Hero Academia, Mob Psycho 100, Blood Blockade Battlefront, or Ushio & Tora. Black Clover isn't really at the top of the list.
Quote from: Avaitor on November 17, 2017, 04:30:07 PM
For some reason, Jason thinks MHA is on Netflix, and is therefor off limits.
???
If he really hasn't tried to get one of the most popular recent anime series because of a dumb assumption then I question how much he really pays attention to his job.
Oh wow, what a surprise. Yet ANOTHER fucking shounen jump show when something like Drifters or Vanishing Line would've been far more appropriate. :unimpressed:
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on November 17, 2017, 05:05:16 PM
If he really hasn't tried to get one of the most popular recent anime series because of a dumb assumption then I question how much he really pays attention to his job.
You really shouldn't expect much from an SAO and Naruto fan.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on November 17, 2017, 05:05:16 PM
If he really hasn't tried to get one of the most popular recent anime series because of a dumb assumption then I question how much he really pays attention to his job.
What do you expect from a guy who thinks Broly The Legendary Super Saiyan is a better movie than End of Evangelion?
Quote from: Lord Dalek on November 17, 2017, 07:40:27 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on November 17, 2017, 05:05:16 PM
If he really hasn't tried to get one of the most popular recent anime series because of a dumb assumption then I question how much he really pays attention to his job.
What do you expect from a guy who thinks Broly The Legendary Super Saiyan is a better movie than End of Evangelion?
Okay, source on this? I want a link so I can laugh.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on November 17, 2017, 07:43:20 PM
Quote from: Lord Dalek on November 17, 2017, 07:40:27 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on November 17, 2017, 05:05:16 PM
If he really hasn't tried to get one of the most popular recent anime series because of a dumb assumption then I question how much he really pays attention to his job.
What do you expect from a guy who thinks Broly The Legendary Super Saiyan is a better movie than End of Evangelion?
Okay, source on this? I want a link so I can laugh.
https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/01/the-100-best-anime-movies-of-all-time.html?p=2
Quote from: Lord Dalek on November 17, 2017, 07:40:27 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on November 17, 2017, 05:05:16 PM
If he really hasn't tried to get one of the most popular recent anime series because of a dumb assumption then I question how much he really pays attention to his job.
What do you expect from a guy who thinks Broly The Legendary Super Saiyan is a better movie than End of Evangelion?
Out of curiosity did this guy also still claim to be an SAO fan after the tentacle rape scene? I recall him saying that he decided to get the rights to air SAO after only watching a few episodes (or maybe that was someone else from the Toonami crew), but did he genuinely not second guess this by the time they got to "that episode." Because if not, then I'm seriously questioning what exactly his standards for good or even appropriate entertainment are.
Based on Demarco and Gill's Toonami Pre-flight discussion of SAO around the time Season 2 aired on the block, it doesn't seem like they ever ended up watching past the initial episodes. Even then, SAO had already done really well on the block, so regardless of his personal opinion, I doubt he'd openly say that he dislikes it.
As for Black Clover being on Toonami......eh whatever. The anime is a very mediocre adaption of the manga but still not the worst thing the block has aired by a long shot. I think the big reason we're getting this over MHA is that Funimation insists on making Black Clover the "next hit battle shonen" in the US by having it on as many venues as possible, and they probably cut a good deal with Toonami to air the show as a result. It's not going to happen, but they sure as hell will try.
Quote from: VLordGTZ on November 18, 2017, 02:23:44 AM
Based on Demarco and Gill's Toonami Pre-flight discussion of SAO around the time Season 2 aired on the block, it doesn't seem like they ever ended up watching past the initial episodes. Even then, SAO had already done really well on the block, so regardless of his personal opinion, I doubt he'd openly say that he dislikes it.
As for Black Clover being on Toonami......eh whatever. The anime is a very mediocre adaption of the manga but still not the worst thing the block has aired by a long shot. I think the big reason we're getting this over MHA is that Funimation insists on making Black Clover the "next hit battle shonen" in the US by having it on as many venues as possible, and they probably cut a good deal with Toonami to air the show as a result. It's not going to happen, but they sure as hell will try.
Voice of reason.
SAO is awful and even offensive but it brings in the big bucks so I can definitely understand why Toonami airs it and Demarco defends it.
Offensive?
Quote from: gunswordfist on November 19, 2017, 12:34:53 AM
Offensive?
It has a very regressive portrayal of women even compared to other anime.
Oh right, think I've heard a bit about that.
Quote from: VLordGTZ on November 18, 2017, 02:23:44 AMAs for Black Clover being on Toonami......eh whatever. The anime is a very mediocre adaption of the manga but still not the worst thing the block has aired by a long shot. I think the big reason we're getting this over MHA is that Funimation insists on making Black Clover the "next hit battle shonen" in the US by having it on as many venues as possible, and they probably cut a good deal with Toonami to air the show as a result. It's not going to happen, but they sure as hell will try.
The thing about that is MHA cost them a lot of money, gets a lot of critical and streaming attention, and the manga sells on the level with OPM and AoT. Black Clover is nowhere near any of that.
They're pushing one show at the cost of one that could really put it (and them) over. It's very silly.
Maybe they don't want it to suffer from overexposure? Previous hyped up shows like JoJo aren't the ratings killers as expected, so maybe Funi think pushing another slightly lesser known show would be more beneficial. Still doesn't excuse the fact that literally every other action show airing this season would've been a way better fit than Naruto 2.0, but then again this is DeMarco and co. so...
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on November 19, 2017, 09:06:14 PM
The thing about that is MHA cost them a lot of money, gets a lot of critical and streaming attention, and the manga sells on the level with OPM and AoT. Black Clover is nowhere near any of that.
They're pushing one show at the cost of one that could really put it (and them) over. It's very silly.
With MHA though, the series has already been a huge success for Funimation so they probably won't sell the broadcasting rights for particularly cheap. With Black Clover, it's also a series that cost them a lot of money to get, but unlike MHA, the returns so far have been lukewarm at best. From that perspective, it makes sense to push a Black Clover TV deal so that they can turn a profit on their purchase of the rights.
BC is also probably more appealing to Toonami as well since it's a newer show and a long-runner, which they prefer since lineup consistency tends to retain viewership better. With MHA, there's the risk of it not doing well since the dub has already been out for a long time, including on major streaming sites like Hulu. I'd much rather have MHA on the block, but I can see why BC is likely a more appealing pick up.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on November 19, 2017, 09:06:14 PM
Quote from: VLordGTZ on November 18, 2017, 02:23:44 AMAs for Black Clover being on Toonami......eh whatever. The anime is a very mediocre adaption of the manga but still not the worst thing the block has aired by a long shot. I think the big reason we're getting this over MHA is that Funimation insists on making Black Clover the "next hit battle shonen" in the US by having it on as many venues as possible, and they probably cut a good deal with Toonami to air the show as a result. It's not going to happen, but they sure as hell will try.
The thing about that is MHA cost them a lot of money, gets a lot of critical and streaming attention, and the manga sells on the level with OPM and AoT. Black Clover is nowhere near any of that.
They're pushing one show at the cost of one that could really put it (and them) over. It's very silly.
I kind of assumed One Punch Man's comic sales were niche level. Even then, AoT level? Really? Wut?
Quote from: gunswordfist on November 20, 2017, 01:40:33 AM
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Quote from: VLordGTZ on November 18, 2017, 02:23:44 AMAs for Black Clover being on Toonami......eh whatever. The anime is a very mediocre adaption of the manga but still not the worst thing the block has aired by a long shot. I think the big reason we're getting this over MHA is that Funimation insists on making Black Clover the "next hit battle shonen" in the US by having it on as many venues as possible, and they probably cut a good deal with Toonami to air the show as a result. It's not going to happen, but they sure as hell will try.
The thing about that is MHA cost them a lot of money, gets a lot of critical and streaming attention, and the manga sells on the level with OPM and AoT. Black Clover is nowhere near any of that.
They're pushing one show at the cost of one that could really put it (and them) over. It's very silly.
I kind of assumed One Punch Man's comic sales were niche level. Even then, AoT level? Really? Wut?
One Punch Man is huge. It's probably the highest selling manga currently running in North America.
Well it was ratings gold on Toonami. I should have seen the writing on the wall.
After 17 years, the lost episode of Outlaw Star will finally air. (https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/937414215920508929)
Won't be uncensored, and even if it is, it's only Aisha's breasts you see so still nothing special. But at least now the overall arc will make sense.
Please tell me this guy isn't the protagonist.
Quote from: Lord Dalek on December 06, 2017, 05:25:08 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on December 06, 2017, 04:08:21 PM
Please tell me this guy isn't the protagonist.
He is.
Well, you can't say that I don't give something a chance before I bail. Hope the fans enjoy it, at least!
Quote from: Avaitor on December 06, 2017, 05:32:32 PM
Quote from: Lord Dalek on December 06, 2017, 05:25:08 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on December 06, 2017, 04:08:21 PM
Please tell me this guy isn't the protagonist.
He is.
Well, you can't say that I don't give something a chance before I bail. Hope the fans enjoy it, at least!
This show has fans?
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on December 06, 2017, 07:33:53 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on December 06, 2017, 05:32:32 PM
Quote from: Lord Dalek on December 06, 2017, 05:25:08 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on December 06, 2017, 04:08:21 PM
Please tell me this guy isn't the protagonist.
He is.
Well, you can't say that I don't give something a chance before I bail. Hope the fans enjoy it, at least!
This show has fans?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4
We're getting a Bebop marathon on the 23rd, and a Super marathon on the 30th.
Also, want to see an interesting throwback? I was reminded of this viewer's choice New Years marathon (http://toonami.wikia.com/wiki/A_Night_of_New_Year%27s_Eve-il) not too long ago, where fans could vote for their favorite Toonami villains. It's interesting to see what viewers thought of at the time. Majin Buu and Cell dominated; Frieza didn't even rank; The Joker is last in the ranking. Not to mention how Kagato looks like he's only there since Tenchi was still particularly popular at this point. Sailor Moon's peak had come and gone- two or three years ago, and Queen Beryl might have ranked.
Quote from: Avaitor on December 07, 2017, 05:22:47 PM
We're getting a Bebop marathon on the 23rd, and a Super marathon on the 30th.
Also, want to see an interesting throwback? I was reminded of this viewer's choice New Years marathon (http://toonami.wikia.com/wiki/A_Night_of_New_Year%27s_Eve-il) not too long ago, where fans could vote for their favorite Toonami villains. It's interesting to see what viewers thought of at the time. Majin Buu and Cell dominated; Frieza didn't even rank; The Joker is last in the ranking. Not to mention how Kagato looks like he's only there since Tenchi was still particularly popular at this point. Sailor Moon's peak had come and gone- two or three years ago, and Queen Beryl might have ranked.
:wth:
So, according to one of DeMarco's answers on his ask page, not only is MHA unavailable (like he has mentioned before), but so is Mob Psycho 100. So, I guess neither will be on Toonami in the near future or maybe never. Which would be pretty sad, especially in MHA's case.
(Also, Ancient Magus Bride is also unavailable.)
Jeez. Did he give a good answer that wasn't "Netflix"?
All he said this time was that they couldn't get the TV rights of those three.
:unimpressed:
Unavailable.
I suppose at this rate so is BBB and Ushio & Tora. Yeesh.
That's too bad. Though I can't really get worked up about something being on or off Toonami because it doesn't really mean anything these days. MHA is by far one of the most popular series in current anime fandom, so not being on Toonami doesn't hurt it - if anything, it just hurts Toonami. Their loss.
Quote from: Avaitor on December 07, 2017, 05:22:47 PM
Also, want to see an interesting throwback? I was reminded of this viewer's choice New Years marathon (http://toonami.wikia.com/wiki/A_Night_of_New_Year%27s_Eve-il) not too long ago, where fans could vote for their favorite Toonami villains. It's interesting to see what viewers thought of at the time. Majin Buu and Cell dominated; Frieza didn't even rank; The Joker is last in the ranking. Not to mention how Kagato looks like he's only there since Tenchi was still particularly popular at this point. Sailor Moon's peak had come and gone- two or three years ago, and Queen Beryl might have ranked.
Considering Buu is the most contentious of DBZ's main villains, it's interesting to see that he was ridiculously more popular than any other villain on that list - Cell coming in a whopping 13,000 points behind. How come those kids had good taste back then but consider Cell better now? :thinkin:
Also, it's hilarious that RADITZ of all people beat out the likes of Char and Joker (seriously, almost 10,000 votes more than the Joker? wtf?) and apparently Freeza. Sure, he's memorable, but why did people like him that much? :lol: It's interesting to see Char made the cut considering original MSG wasn't very popular during its Toonami run, but I guess audiences back then still knew a great villain when they saw one. Though that wouldn't explain Raditz.
I really wish Toonami would try to be more playful with their marathons these days. A gimmick like New Year's Eve-il is way more fun and interesting than a typical marathon of one show, and it shouldn't require that much more time and effort to do.
Also important to note that DeMarco finally flat out admitted One Piece got cancelled for failing to build an audience over the 4 years it was on the block. That might be bad news for Shippuden's future.
Bad news for Shippuden, good news for us.
It makes sense. I haven't paid attention to it as well, but from what I can tell, Naruto has a reverse Dragon Ball thing going on stateside, where the pre-time jump run is much more popular than post. Not to mention that they're WAY behind on Shippuden's DVD releases.
Quote from: LumRanmaYasha on December 15, 2017, 11:40:08 AM
Quote from: Avaitor on December 07, 2017, 05:22:47 PM
Also, want to see an interesting throwback? I was reminded of this viewer's choice New Years marathon (http://toonami.wikia.com/wiki/A_Night_of_New_Year%27s_Eve-il) not too long ago, where fans could vote for their favorite Toonami villains. It's interesting to see what viewers thought of at the time. Majin Buu and Cell dominated; Frieza didn't even rank; The Joker is last in the ranking. Not to mention how Kagato looks like he's only there since Tenchi was still particularly popular at this point. Sailor Moon's peak had come and gone- two or three years ago, and Queen Beryl might have ranked.
Considering Buu is the most contentious of DBZ's main villains, it's interesting to see that he was ridiculously more popular than any other villain on that list - Cell coming in a whopping 13,000 points behind. How come those kids had good taste back then but consider Cell better now? :thinkin:
Also, it's hilarious that RADITZ of all people beat out the likes of Char and Joker (seriously, almost 10,000 votes more than the Joker? wtf?) and apparently Freeza. Sure, he's memorable, but why did people like him that much? :lol: It's interesting to see Char made the cut considering original MSG wasn't very popular during its Toonami run, but I guess audiences back then still knew a great villain when they saw one. Though that wouldn't explain Raditz.
I really wish Toonami would try to be more playful with their marathons these days. A gimmick like New Year's Eve-il is way more fun and interesting than a typical marathon of one show, and it shouldn't require that much more time and effort to do.
No clue for Raditz, either. He was definitely memorable, but I thought that most people tuned into DBZ on Toonami around when Funi's dub hit. And while the original Gundam was never that big of a hit here, Char is still a very iconic villain, and probably still stood out even when the original didn't finish its run. Joker's low ranking does still surprise me, but I don't think Batman and his villains were as popular around that point- come back when TDK came out, or when B:TAS nostalgia started to become a thing, and he'd be much higher. If anything, I'm surprised that Luthor didn't make it at all, since he was much more prominent in Justice League.
Bringing something like this back would be a lot of fun, but I wonder how many series Toonami could get the rights to use. Even beyond the classics and recent anime series, are the DC shows still off-limits?
Quote from: Avaitor on December 16, 2017, 10:18:00 PM
Bringing something like this back would be a lot of fun, but I wonder how many series Toonami could get the rights to use. Even beyond the classics and recent anime series, are the DC shows still off-limits?
Probably, which is too bad, since it would be pretty cool if they could air something like BTAS in one of the later "rerun" spots. But, it would probably be way too expensive for a 2:30 or 3:00 spot. And there's also the aforementioned likely problem of them being able to acquire anything DC. Oh well.
So Lupin's replacement is... NOTHING!
Seriously, they're going to replace it with Space Dandy repeats, and move Shipudden up a half hour.
10:30p – Dragon Ball Super
11:00p – Dragon Ball Z Kai
11:30p – Black Clover
12:00a – JoJo: Stardust Crusaders
12:30a – Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans
1:00a – Hunter x Hunter
1:30am – Naruto: Shippuden
2:00am – Outlaw Star
2:30am – Space Dandy
3:00am – Cowboy Bebop
3:30am – GITS 2nd GIG
This block continues to find new ways to disappoint.
According to Demarco's twitter (https://mobile.twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/949416680626802688), they "had a different show ready but unforeseen events have caused us to have to push that one back a bit (don't worry, it'll be here eventually!). Luckily, Dandy was waiting in the wings! "
I'd like to claim that makes things better but knowing Demarco...
Interesting.
In other news, the Golden Kamuy anime is looking good, and it's coming in April. I wonder if it has a shot on the block.
I somehow totally forgot about that. I really enjoy what I've read of Golden Kamuy so far and need to catch up with it....in addition to like, fifty other manga that I read part of and ended up forgetting to come back to....:humhumhum:
And yeah, along with that, MHA, FMP, and various other stuff coming out, I'm really excited for Spring's anime releases this year. In general I haven't really been interested in that much anime that was output over the past year (I barely watched any new shows, at that), but this year definitely looks more promising to me.
2018 is looking pretty solid for anime.
Not sure what Toonami is going to get, though, since it can't even get shows like MHA or Ushio & Tora.
Its not that Adult Swim can't get Ushio and Tora. Its just nobody cares about it but you Desen.
I wouldn't say that Desensitized/Spark is the only one who cares. It has fans (myself included), it's just not as high profile as other battle shonen series that are guaranteed to get better ratings, hence why it's not likely to get aired on a mainstream block like Toonami.
Out of all the shounenshit that can air, Ushio & Tora is among the least offensive and sleep-inducing. I'd much rather have seinen like Garo and Drifters myself, but almost anything would be preferable to fucking Black Clover.
Ushio and Tora works for me, personally, because it takes the best aspects of a shonen series but uses them to tell a clear and concise story that's well-plotted and ties up all of its loose ends in three cours worth of content. No dawdling around with pointless filler, no plot points left annoyingly unresolved by the end, and no dragging the story out well past its prime.
I mean, I actually enjoy a lot of shonen manga and anime myself, but even I find that most series eventually outstay their welcome more often than not, so it's refreshing to see one that actually knows when to call it quits and is all the better for it.
As for Seinen anime, Garo would definitely be pretty awesome. I must admit that Kouta Hirano's lack of ability to actually write a cohesive story kind of got me bored of Drifters after the novelty of the concept wore off for me, but it would still be entertaining for those viewing it for the first time. Blood Blockade Battlefront would probably be Toonmi's best current option in this regard, though, IMO.
And while on the subject, if we ever get a re-adaptation of Blade of the Immortal, except actually good this time (though I hear the live-action film is pretty decent), or some studio finally manages to adapt either Vagabond or Vinland Saga, we could be in for a new modern classic.
In hindsight, I'm pretty okay with not getting a new series right now. It'll give me one less thing to watch, and more time to catch up on other things. Or two less to watch, I guess, since I'm done with Black Clover. It's gotten a little better by episode 3, but I don't think this one is going to do anything for me.
Quote from: Lord Dalek on January 06, 2018, 03:56:37 PM
Its not that Adult Swim can't get Ushio and Tora. Its just nobody cares about it but you Desen.
Well, that was unnecessary.
Yeah, if you want an enjoyable experience with Black Clover, the only way to get it is the manga. The series is nowhere near the heights of MHA or Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba, but it's still a fun read.
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on January 07, 2018, 12:37:10 AM
As for Seinen anime, Garo would definitely be pretty awesome. I must admit that Kouta Hirano's lack of ability to actually write a cohesive story kind of got me bored of Drifters after the novelty of the concept wore off for me, but it would still be entertaining for those viewing it for the first time. Blood Blockade Battlefront would probably be Toonmi's best current option in this regard, though, IMO.
BBB is still a shonen anime since it's a Jump Square Crown title. :sweat:
I'd kill for it to be on the block though, especially since it has 2 cours worth of eps that Toonami can run now.
I haven't been watching Toonami consistently for a while, so I'm not too bothered by another re-run. I am curious what show Demarco was planning to air initially, but I'm leaning towards it being a contract flub rather than some huge premiere title. Either way, I don't see this as that bad of thing since it's not like Toonami is losing a premiere slot for more re-runs permanently.
While I am now fully on team streaming, it doesn't look like Toonami is doing too bad at all with their show selections. Outside of apparently having stupid reasons (something about Netflix?) as to why they don't have Mob and/or MHA, they've gotten pretty much every other recent anime that I like (HXH, Super, Jojo, One Punch, etc.). If their budget is still limited then they are doing a damn good job in my book.
Much as I would like Ushio & Tora, yeah, it's not very well known. But of all the shows Sentai has I can't really think of a better fit for that block. Especially since it's the exact type of show that made them what they are in first place. But, yes, it's not for everyone.
It's certainly a better choice than Black Clover.
So why do they do marathons? I haven't heard a single person say a good thing about Toonami marathons, their ratings always take a huge hit that lasts for months, and by the time it sort of evens out, we get another marathon. It's like punching yourself in the face and thinking that will make you stronger.
From what I understand, they do marathons during holiday weekends, when they expect low ratings anyway. I kind of get it, although I've never been much for holidays myself.
Remember when they used to air movies during the times they thought ratings for their new stuff would be at a low, then scrapped it because the ratings tanked despite the fact that they aired movies that already aired on Toonami a year before? Good times.
Oh, I forgot to mention this, but my comic book shop back home does weekly trivia nights, and back in August they had one for Toonami. They initially wanted to do two separate ones for it, with this one being for its first decade, and a later one for the more recent years, but the turnout wasn't that high for this one, so I'm not sure if they'll get to it. That said, I volunteered to help write questions, and they used a lot of them.
Here are the questions for it.
Section A
1. Who is the pilot of the Wing Gundam?
2. What is the powerful jewel that Sailor Moon protects?
3. What kind of sword does Kenshin have, from Rurouni Kenshin?
4. Which Hokuge was Naruto's father?
5.In The original Teen Titans name the members of Titans East.
Section B
1. From Outlaw Star, what is Aisha's race?
2. What is the name of the alien species that arrives on Earth during Robotech?
3. What is the name of Ryo's tiger in Ronin Warriors?
4. What 80's classic aired during the last block of Toonami's Midnight Run?
5. In Dragon Ball Z, who cut off Vegeta's tail?
Section C
1. What is Domon Kasha's winning move in G Gundam?
2. What are the subtitles for the following four seasons of Sailor Moon?
3. From One Piece, what is the first arc that aired on Toonami dubbed by Funimation?
4. What is the name of the soul collecting demon Aku sends to defeat Jack?
5. What kind of animal is Ryo-Ohki, from Tenchi Muyo!?
Section D
1. In the episode "Almost Got 'Im", which villain was actually Batman in disguise from the Animate series?
2. What is the source of the Thundercats powers, and where is it accessed?
3. Name all the number androids that make their first appearance in Dragon Ball Z?
4. What do all of the citizens in Big O's Paradigm City have in common?
5. How many Clow Cards are there in Cardcaptors/Cardcaptor Sakura?
Section E
1. In Yu Yu Hakusho, What is Kuwabara's first name?
2. What is the name of Kenshin's successor and rival, Rurouni Kenshin?
3. What is the name of Terry's girlfriend in Batman Beyond?
4. In the Original Dragon Ball, what name does Master Roshi use to disguise himself in the show's first World Marital Arts Tournament?
5. What school do the Powerpuff Girls go to?
Section F
1. Who voiced the original TOM (hint: it's not Steve Blum)
2. What does XLR stand for in Megas XLR?
3. What is the name of the system ReBoot takes place in? (hint: also the same name as the studio responsible for it)
4. What is the name of Naruto's team?
5. Which character does Pamela Isley date before revealing herself as Poison Ivy?
Well, it looks like Toonami will be jumping straight into the Egypt Arc of Stardust Crusaders after all. Tonight's lineup promo showed clips from the second half.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX0snP5Lvwc
YES!
I would recommend watching the last eleven episodes even if you're not much of a JoJo fan. It's very exciting material.
I haven't been watching Toonami lately, but with this, the Goku Black arc, and the Chimera Ant arc all airing now, I might need to start up again.
Oh shit, they started Chimera Ant?!
Quote from: gunswordfist on January 23, 2018, 01:15:52 AMOh shit, they started Chimera Ant?!
It started in December.
According to this Tweet, (https://twitter.com/c2e2/status/961711080488742915) the new seasons of FLCL premiere in the Summer. It might be the replacement for DBZ Kai, since it's expected to end in mid-June.
Watch it completely tank then. The hype train for FLCL2 derailed two years ago.
HATE. HAAAAAAAAAAATE. (https://youtu.be/l8B5dqjsZUs)
Quote from: Lord Dalek on February 21, 2018, 10:00:30 PM
HATE. HAAAAAAAAAAATE. (https://youtu.be/l8B5dqjsZUs)
What's wrong with this trailer for Kamen Rider Dragon Knight?
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on February 21, 2018, 10:06:20 PM
Quote from: Lord Dalek on February 21, 2018, 10:00:30 PM
HATE. HAAAAAAAAAAATE. (https://youtu.be/l8B5dqjsZUs)
What's wrong with this trailer for Kamen Rider Dragon Knight?
:anthony:
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on February 21, 2018, 10:06:20 PM
Quote from: Lord Dalek on February 21, 2018, 10:00:30 PM
HATE. HAAAAAAAAAAATE. (https://youtu.be/l8B5dqjsZUs)
What's wrong with this trailer for Kamen Rider Dragon Knight?
I don't know what you're talking about, that was clearly a Code Lyoko trailer.
Safe to say that's not going to be on Toonami. But seriously, who is in charge of Rainmaker? What happened to the guys at Mainframe, did they just disappear when it changed? :butbut:
Quote from: Peanutbutter on February 22, 2018, 02:06:56 AMWhat happened to the guys at Mainframe, did they just disappear when it changed? :butbut:
Who? (https://i.imgur.com/XvZL1yP.png)
Quote"The show we eventually created is certainly inspired by the original ReBoot, but I don't think of it as a ReBoot reboot. Rather, we tried to imagine that ReBoot had never been made, and we were making it for the first time for today's audience."
Quote from: Painted Outlaw on February 22, 2018, 09:28:42 AM
Quote from: Peanutbutter on February 22, 2018, 02:06:56 AMWhat happened to the guys at Mainframe, did they just disappear when it changed? :butbut:
Who? (https://i.imgur.com/XvZL1yP.png)
Mainframe Productions, what Rainmaker used to be known as.
Quote"The show we eventually created is certainly inspired by the original ReBoot, but I don't think of it as a ReBoot reboot. Rather, we tried to imagine that ReBoot had never been made, and we were making it for the first time for today's audience."
That means it's just Superhuman Samurai Syber Squad with Megabte in place of Kilo Khan.
The sarcasm flew right by you, didn't it?
All the people that worked there left long ago.
Unfortunately.
Quote from: Painted Outlaw on February 23, 2018, 04:53:54 PM
The sarcasm flew right by you, didn't it?
Be funnier next time? :??:
The episode of Outlaw Star that Toonami always skipped will finally make its debut tonight.
Can't wait to see if people who never seen it have the same reaction as cursing episode of Dexter's Lab.
I'm sure some may enjoy seeing Aisha though. :thumbup:
(https://i.imgur.com/UHVNFaO.png)
Finally, it's time for Tanya of Evil to shine!
I leaning on Darling on the FranXX so more people can join in on the hilarity.
News on FLCL 2 & 3: (http://toonamifaithful.com/new-trailer-release-dates-for-flcl-2-and-3-revealed)
-New trailer! (Click link.)
-The seasons now have subtitles: FLCL Progressive (2) and FLCL Alternative (3).
-Premiere date: June 2 at 11:30PM.
Cool! I'm not remotely interested, but good for those who are!
Boy am I looking forward to when Toonami's audience learns that this is just a pair of movie cutups and not a proper series.
Well...this is interesting.
Adult Swim will be streaming the subbed version. (https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/976416197712470016)
Not a strict subs or dubs watcher, but that's awesome news!
Guess that's one of the changes DeMarco meant. From what he said, it sounded to me like we might get Toonami Originals too. As long as they're good like Samurai Jack and not mediocre like IGPX I'm down!
Quote from: Daikun on March 21, 2018, 02:04:09 PM
Well...this is interesting.
Adult Swim will be streaming the subbed version. (https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/976416197712470016)
AWESOME
Currently on Episode 3 of Guardian Code.
In it Megabyte hacks Minecraft.
I got nuttin.
Episode 4: Megabyte discovers piano cat trojans!
:wth:
Toonami's April Fool prank was sweet tonight!
-World premiere of FLCL 3 (yes, season 3) subbed!
-New movie: Mind Game, subbed!
-New episodes of JoJo, HxH, and Shippuden, all subbed!
-Oh, and did I mention the whole block was subbed after midnight?
Huh, didn't see last night but that's pretty cool. Wonder if they're testing the waters?
I liked what I saw of the new FLCL. Mind Game was weird, but a visual treat.
Quote from: Daikun on April 01, 2018, 03:16:15 AM
Toonami's April Fool prank was sweet tonight!
-World premiere of FLCL 3 (yes, season 3) subbed!
-New movie: Mind Game, subbed!
-New episodes of JoJo, HxH, and Shippuden, all subbed!
-Oh, and did I mention the whole block was subbed after midnight?
Whoa, that's awesome!
Toonami has acquired three new shows. (https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/984046198742028289) DeMarco is being secretive about what they are.
Handshakers, Magical Girl Site, and Big Order.
King's Game, Ping Pong, and Death March.
https://twitter.com/funimation/status/987001154096717824?s=21
http://toonamifaithful.com/my-hero-academia-is-coming-to-toonami/
MHA finally hits Toonami, 5/5 at 11:30pm.
And it's about damn time.
Great fucking news.
Just in time for the middle of season 3 by the time it airs.
Better than nothing, I suppose.
Haven't seen it yet, but good news!!
Guess I might as well watch it first with Tom. 8-)
Quote from: Painted Outlaw on April 19, 2018, 01:59:36 PM
https://twitter.com/funimation/status/987001154096717824?s=21
http://toonamifaithful.com/my-hero-academia-is-coming-to-toonami/
MHA finally hits Toonami, 5/5 at 11:30pm.
YES!!!
Well, it looks like FUNimation is editing the show for Toonami. :whuh:
https://ask.fm/Clarknova/answers/147161690601
https://ask.fm/Clarknova/answers/147156572905
I don't get it. The word "shit" is acceptable now. We're past the old halcyon days where that word had to be censored.
I forgot all about My Hero Academia premiering..
Quote from: Daikun on May 07, 2018, 08:24:47 PM
Well, it looks like FUNimation is editing the show for Toonami. :whuh:
https://ask.fm/Clarknova/answers/147161690601
https://ask.fm/Clarknova/answers/147156572905
I don't get it. The word "shit" is acceptable now. We're past the old halcyon days where that word had to be censored.
No, not really. South Park, Archer and Suits get away with it as far as non-premium cable goes but that's it. Not to mention Adult Swim probably doesn't want to risk losing certain sponsors.
Quote from: Peanutbutter on May 09, 2018, 11:31:47 PM
Quote from: Daikun on May 07, 2018, 08:24:47 PM
Well, it looks like FUNimation is editing the show for Toonami. :whuh:
https://ask.fm/Clarknova/answers/147161690601
https://ask.fm/Clarknova/answers/147156572905
I don't get it. The word "shit" is acceptable now. We're past the old halcyon days where that word had to be censored.
No, not really. South Park, Archer and Suits get away with it as far as non-premium cable goes but that's it. Not to mention Adult Swim probably doesn't want to risk losing certain sponsors.
Jojo uses the word.
Quote from: Peanutbutter on May 09, 2018, 11:31:47 PM
Quote from: Daikun on May 07, 2018, 08:24:47 PM
Well, it looks like FUNimation is editing the show for Toonami. :whuh:
https://ask.fm/Clarknova/answers/147161690601
https://ask.fm/Clarknova/answers/147156572905
I don't get it. The word "shit" is acceptable now. We're past the old halcyon days where that word had to be censored.
No, not really. South Park, Archer and Suits get away with it as far as non-premium cable goes but that's it. Not to mention Adult Swim probably doesn't want to risk losing certain sponsors.
The same Adult Swim that gave a show to an ardent Alt-Right member, and was only cancelled because Eric Andre and several other AS producers threatened to leave? (https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/the-story-behind-the-sudden-cancellation-of-adult-swims-trump-loving-comedy-show/2016/12/23/ed9e2e3a-c3c8-11e6-8422-eac61c0ef74d_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.97d6c9f59b0e) Because I don't think sponsors were on their mind when they greenlit that.
Quote from: Peanutbutter on May 09, 2018, 11:31:47 PMNo, not really. South Park, Archer and Suits get away with it as far as non-premium cable goes but that's it. Not to mention Adult Swim probably doesn't want to risk losing certain sponsors.
Ever since
Blue Exorcist aired on the block, "shit" became a regular occurrence in Toonami's vocabulary.
Didn't see it. What's it's timeslot?
MHA is on at 11:30.
No, what was Blue Exorcist's timeslot?
Blue Exorcist aired at 1:30 from 2/22/14 to 4/26/14 before finishing its run at 2 AM.
Lupin III Part IV returns June 2 at 3:30. (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/videos/1909546786002826)
Yep, the same night FLCL season 2 starts.
I'm surprised to see Lupin repeat. The show did not seem to do well enough to justify reruns.
I'm quoting this from a recent Toon Zone post:
QuoteThe Toonami Faithful Podcast released an interview with Jason DeMarco today. (https://soundcloud.com/toonamifaithfulpodcast/exclusive-36-jason-demarco-interview) A summary/important bits:
-The network is not at all worried about Toonami's ratings. The drop is at the level that they expected, considering the large audience shifting away from cable. The only way things could change if there was a significant drop and "their competitors" started beating them. The AT&T merger might change things a bit by helping the block focus/target digital content better.
-DeMarco boasted that they still do better than previously mentioned competitors on Saturday nights, though he didn't specifically name any.
-They're looking into rerunning Kai since it's a show that works/gets ratings consistently, but nothing has been confirmed. It's apparently a highly debated topic at the network.
-There have been rumors that season 2 of ThunderCats was planned to air on Toonami before being completely scrapped. This isn't true. The network was hesitant to even originally let Toonami have ThunderCats.
-There should be announcements at MomoCon. "Nothing's set in stone yet."
-Toonami is currently in active development on "two or three" different series; an American show and a couple anime. Jason has high hopes for the Scavengers pilot that's currently in development.
-The American show is not Sym-Bionic Titan. :(
Some decently good news there at least. Sym-Bionic Titan got a tax-write off along with Megas XLR which is basically the final nail in the coffin for network cartoons. Sad that they're permanently gone with no chance at revival, but whatever Toonami is working on will hopefully do a lot better than both of them did.
TOONAMI IS DEAD! (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/photos/a.1442483259375850.1073741828.1440408039583372/1923922477898590/?type=3&theater) HOORAY!
So this isn't just crazy speculation anymore. Okay.
I may check it out of curiosity, but I'll admit that I've skipped the show beforehand because it looks like another dumb meme to me.
Quote from: Avaitor on June 15, 2018, 02:54:02 PM
So this isn't just crazy speculation anymore. Okay.
I may check it out of curiosity, but I'll admit that I've skipped the show beforehand because it looks like another dumb meme to me.
Yeah its literally just Robot Chicken if it was anime.
DB Super joins the WEEKDAY SCHEDULE starting July 2. (http://toonamifaithful.com/dragon-ball-super-reruns-will-play-weekly-on-adult-swim-starting-july-2nd)
Holy shit. Anime on Adult Swim on weekdays. It's been so long. I think I need to lie down...
WOW!!!!! :huh:
I mean, Dragon Ball Super is wildly popular so that in and of itself is not surprising but the fact Adult Swim is putting it on weeknights?! That's huge....if this leads to Adult Swim FINALLY putting Toonami's other shows on weeknights like they had last decade that could lead to brighter Toonami future.
My hope is for Shippuden to make it to weekdays, so they can finally catch up, and they can replace its Toonami airings with something else.
Yeah, even if it was at a time when no one would be watching, they could finally burn Shippuden off. Even people who dropped Naruto a long time ago already know how it ends, so it's no big loss to put it on 5AM every weekday.
If you go five days a week, you'll burn off the entire remaining Shippuden in about a year. The rate they're going? About 6. And judging by the ratings its getting right now, I don't think DeMarco's going to renew the contract if it expires before then.
Toonami is jumping straight into Diamond is Unbreakable after Stardust Crusaders ends. (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/photos/a.1442483259375850.1073741828.1440408039583372/1943631682594336/?type=3&theater)
Well that shoots down the theory of AOT season 3 replacing Stardust Crusaders.
Works for me tbh
Glad it's getting a shot. Part IV was my favorite of the bunch, and it deserves the attention.
Season 3 of Attack on Titan is coming August 18th. Not sure about the time, but my guess is that it'll replace Space Dandy, but won't air nearly that late.
Toonami has picked up Boruto. (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/photos/a.1442483259375850.1073741828.1440408039583372/1955070308117140/?type=3)
Toonami expands to 10PM on August 18. (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/photos/a.1442483259375850.1073741828.1440408039583372/1970717969885707/?type=3&theater)
Moving MHA to the front of the block is a risky move, especially since it's been losing a big chunk of the Super ratings.
DB Super reruns are expanding to a full hour on weekdays. (https://twitter.com/CNschedules/status/1035106119897821184)
Could be wrong, but I will not be surprised if this isn't a precursor to Toonami expanding to weeknights.
Toonami expands to 9PM on September 29. (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/photos/a.1442483259375850/2003721813251989/?type=3)
That Naruto hour sounds like hell.
I still say Shippuden should join Super on weekends.
Megalo Box is coming to Toonami! (https://twitter.com/VIZMedia/status/1047891547541463040)
*expecting Dalek to bitch about it for whatever reason*
Excellent news! I actually haven't gotten around to watching it yet, so I'm looking forward to following its run on Toonami.
Quote from: Avaitor on October 04, 2018, 06:29:37 PM
*expecting Dalek to bitch about it for whatever reason*
Like I care, the way things are going that show will be lucky to crack 400k.
Speaking of which last weekend was the lowest rated non-marathon Toonami in modern block history. If Lazzo's goal was to give Clarknova more rope to hang himself with, he has succeeded wildly.
Traditional ratings metrics mean little to nothing anymore. Heck, even for Nielsen themselves, most of the numbers they measure that DO matter, they privately sell and are rarely made public. There's no way for us to properly gauge how shows are doing with the information we are given, and coming from someone with an infosys and analytics background, it annoys me that people insist that there's meaning in those numbers.
I only care about shows on Toonami to give them more exposure to a wider audience. I really don't care how well they do.
And boom goes the dynamite. (https://ask.fm/Clarknova/answers/150509188841)
Trigger didn't save anime confirmed.
So there is something that isn't good enough for the block.
Quote from: Avaitor on October 16, 2018, 11:20:49 AM
So there is something that isn't good enough for the block.
Shocking, I know.
Mob Psycho 100 joins Toonami! (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/videos/165807337699534)
It's about fucking time.
Too little too late.
It is a little late hypewise, but not terrible timing, with season 2 coming soon. I'm excited to finally get to it, at least.
A CLOCK IS TICKING. (https://www.thewrap.com/crunchyroll-toonami-partner-to-launch-programming-block-on-adult-swim/) Not sure which one yet...but its tickin'.
Quote from: Lord Dalek on October 26, 2018, 02:42:09 PMA CLOCK IS TICKING. (https://www.thewrap.com/crunchyroll-toonami-partner-to-launch-programming-block-on-adult-swim) Not sure which one yet...but its tickin'.
This same article was posted at TZ. They thought the article was poorly researched, and I'm willing to agree.
The details of this "partnership" seem rather vague, especially since FUNimation is leaving Crunchyroll in a couple of weeks. I see
Mob Psycho 100 as just another FUNi show being added to Toonami's lineup. The article seems to be blowing up a routine show acquisition into some kind of partnership.
Unless I see some HiDive shows making their way to Toonami, then this partnership will truly be newsworthy. Until then, it's just business as usual.
Toonami and Crunchyroll are co-producing a new Blade Runner anime. (https://deadline.com/2018/11/blade-runner-animated-series-inspired-by-movie-adult-swim-blade-runner-2049-1202510982)
If it's more like Watanabe's short and 2049 than the original, I'm interested.
I'm interested, but I'm not going to keep any sort of expectations for it to be any good given the parent companies involved. If it is good, though, then that would be all the better. That said, part of what worked so well about Watanabe's short is that it was, well....short. An effective, concise piece with a clear message and theme behind it. That said, for as interesting as the world of Blade Runner is, the king of neo-noir-esque tone and pacing that these kinds of stories call for isn't really that well suited to the format of serialization, IMO. I loved 2049 (still one of my favorite films of last year) but I'd be lying if I said that even that one didn't feel a little long in the tooth in a few places (it could have been trimmed down by about 10 minutes or so, IMO).
If this were to be a series of short stories set in the Blade Runner universe, though, like an anthology series, then that would certainly be a more interesting take on how to do a longer Blade Runner anime.
They may have been better off making an adaptation of Neuromancer or another Cyberpunk classic, but I do have faith in the talent involved.
Toonami shrinks back down to six hours on January 5. (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/photos/a.1442483259375850/2053278171629686/?type=3&theater) It will run from 11PM-5AM.
On the one hand, okay, no big loss. It didn't seem like the block needed that much time, and we're only really losing a couple of repeats. On the other, I do wonder what this means for the block. Especially since they're losing DB Kai, which wasn't cheap to get back.
Quote from: Avaitor on December 13, 2018, 05:33:38 PM
On the one hand, okay, no big loss. It didn't seem like the block needed that much time, and we're only really losing a couple of repeats. On the other, I do wonder what this means for the block. Especially since they're losing DB Kai, which wasn't cheap to get back.
It means get ready for Crunchyroll TV. Its coming.
Toonami aired a teaser for next year's TIE: The Forge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYO2D8e8HoE
I go to a weekly trivia night here, where they usually do four different categories, instead of being one scattered set or a themed trivia night, and I requested Toonami last week (note, EK, that this is actually different from the Toonami trivia night I told you about the other day). One of the categories has a list, which is sometimes compiled from elsewhere, but often one the host will make from regulars' own lists. This week, he made a list of our top Toonami shows of all time, which went like this.
18- Gundam Wing
17- ReBoot
16- The Powerpuff Girls
15- Superman: The Animated Series
14- Dragon Ball
13- Zoids: Chaotic Century
12- Big O
11- Teen Titans
10- Batman Beyond
9- Naruto
8- Cowboy Bebop
7- Sailor Moon
6- Batman: The Animated Series
5- Mobile Suit Gundam
4- Samurai Jack
3- Ruroni Kenshin
2- Yu Yu Hakusho
1- Dragon Ball Z
Obviously very classic heavy vs modern. It's surprising seeing the original MSG outrank Wing, given the latter's popularity and how the former originally flopped, but I'd argue that by now in the states, the original is more iconic. I'm also surprised by the lack of Justice League? But what warms my heart is seeing YYH not only outrank Naruto, but everything besides DBZ itself. It's just a handful of people in Orlando, but it feels like there's some justice in the world.
They also did a Cartoon Network category a few weeks ago, and he asked for a list of the best Cartoon Network characters.
17- Gumball Watterson
16- Double D
15- Blooregard Q. Kazoo
14- Chowder
13- Rigby
12- Ben Tennison
11- Mordecai
10- Jake the dog
9- Mojo Jojo
8- Buttercup
7- Courage
6- Bubbles
5- Johnny Bravo
4- Finn the human
3- Samurai Jack
2- Ed
1- Dexter
So SAO season 3 is not only replacing Mob Psycho 100 after its first season, but the double-length premiere will pre-empt Megalobox for a week. Blah.
Inb4:
QuoteQuestion: Someone is gonna ask this anyway so I figured I get it out the way. There is 1 or 2 minute rape scene in sword art online 3 and some think its going turn away viewers. Do you agree that is stupid?
Answer: We aren?t worried about that scene turning away viewers, at all.
Also, Toonami is shrinking back down (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/photos/a.1442483259375850/2077741649183338/?type=3&theater) to five hours.
Welcome to You're Fucked Corporate Consolidation Edition. (https://deadline.com/2019/03/adult-swim-crunchyroll-team-on-programming-expand-distribution-deal-1202573898/)
So, in case anyone's asleep when I post this, Toonami epically messed up in regards to airing episode 6 of SAO: Alicization. To summarize, they got 8 minutes in and the video froze (I'm watching a stream and he changed channels to check if it was him or not but no, it was CN). They then came back and it was still frozen so Toonami in all of its best judgment decided to cut it off and skip to Megalo Box. I made a joke tweet (https://twitter.com/CoralianRainbow/status/1107141882520522753?s=19) on it but the most acknowledgment I've seen from the "@ToonamiNews" account were (https://twitter.com/ToonamiNews/status/1107137038258786304) some (https://twitter.com/ToonamiNews/status/1107140287342612480) tweets (https://twitter.com/ToonamiNews/status/1107141190632128512) which if you read them in order, is kinda funny in a sad way. Demarco hasn't commented yet and the Facebook's just been (https://i.imgur.com/u4jhxYg.jpg) auto-scheduled posts so far.
They then replayed Megalo Box once it actually got to 1am and things so far seem as normal as they could be. Jojo's airing fine at least.
I thought these (https://twitter.com/CNConfessions/status/1107140849731686402) were funny too (https://twitter.com/CNschedules/status/1107140010560684032), while I'm at it.
Enjoy the glitch in its entirety. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Apx512dPjs)
Quote from: Painted Outlaw on March 17, 2019, 12:40:47 AMDemarco hasn't commented yet and the Facebook's just been (https://i.imgur.com/u4jhxYg.jpg) auto-scheduled posts so far.
Oh like DeMarco cares. He's on his way out the door at this point.
Yeah, I know. I was mostly just including that bit to be thorough on everything. ^^;
The Promised Neverland premieres on April 13!
Looks like before we get there, we're getting two weeks of double SAO.
Well it was either Promised Netherland or THAT SHOW and THAT SHOW is probably coming anyway.
Great schedule, guys! (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/photos/a.1442483259375850/2116916161932553/?type=3&theater)
This is exactly the level of competence I've come to expect! :thumbup:
Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/hceSWhB.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/64LU1AI.png)
Episode 10 of Alicization will air heavily edited on this week's Toonami. Can't really say I'm complaining given what happens that time...
So my guess is that they didn't think it was as bad as it was until they actually decided to check before broadcast.
Although, how bad is it really?
Quote from: Avaitor on April 03, 2019, 06:48:20 PM
So my guess is that they didn't think it was as bad as it was until they actually decided to check before broadcast.
Although, how bad is it really?
This bad. (https://youtu.be/i0yaf0qb5dA)
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on April 03, 2019, 06:50:06 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on April 03, 2019, 06:48:20 PM
So my guess is that they didn't think it was as bad as it was until they actually decided to check before broadcast.
Although, how bad is it really?
This bad. (https://youtu.be/i0yaf0qb5dA)
So who the fuck thought this was a good idea?
Quote from: Avaitor on April 03, 2019, 07:17:57 PM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on April 03, 2019, 06:50:06 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on April 03, 2019, 06:48:20 PM
So my guess is that they didn't think it was as bad as it was until they actually decided to check before broadcast.
Although, how bad is it really?
This bad. (https://youtu.be/i0yaf0qb5dA)
So who the fuck thought this was a good idea?
Reki Kawahara.
FTR, this is the episode that pretty much killed SAO's fanbase. Only the cretins (and permanent incel Theron) left now.
Schedule has been revised yet again. (https://twitter.com/Schmullus1/status/1113944211592605697)
Crisis averted.
Starting May 25, EVERY SHOW will be a premiere.
https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/photos/a.1442483259375850/2125289694428533/?type=3&theater
I forgot to post this last week, but I wrote an editorial piece about The Promised Neverland for Toonami Faithful. (https://toonamifaithful.com/entering-toonamis-neverland/)
Lupin Part V starts June 15th. Good news, although I think this means that Jojo won't go straight into Golden Wind.
Still though, I do like that they're making announcements further in advance now, as opposed to how last minute we found out about Promised Neverland.
Complete waste of a timeslot.
I'm happy to see that TMS and Discotek are dubbing Part V! I'm not too surprised that we aren't going straight into Golden Wind since it's still airing in Japan, and it probably isn't viable for Viz to do that quick of turnaround for it. Still, I'll always take more Lupin on the block!
Great news! Lupin Part 5 is the first TV anime I've watched in years and I'm absolutely loving it. There was no doubt in my mind that Discotek would license it eventually but I'm happy I'll be able to buy it on blu-ray soon. :joy:
I cannot emphasize how much more I like Part V than IV. Better storyarcs, better original characters, and better development for the crew. I do still think that Part IV had some great side stories, though.
New schedule starting the 25th.
10:30- My Hero Academia
11:00- Dragon Ball Super
11:30- Attack on Titan
12:00- The Promised Neverlabd
12:30- Sword Art Online
1:00- Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
1:30- Black Clover
2:00- Boruto
2:30- Naruto
3:00- HunterXHunter
I'm only somewhat surprised that MHA is moving up, but it makes sense to keep Super in its slot to not confuse the people who watch the block exclusively for it. I'm more surprised that Promised Neverland is staying in its slot, honestly- its ratings are looking pretty bad.
The block continues to shit itself on getting any actual shows for adults. (https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/1128305319879303168)
Toonami news from MomoCon:
FLCL 2 & 3 sub now available on Crunchyroll. (Promo shown.)
Mobile Suit Gundam: The Origin is coming July 6!
Lupin III Part 5 promo shown.
Episode 1 of The Forge made its premiere! It will air November 9. Also, Beau Billingslea voices the antagonist.
EDIT: Episode 1 is up on Facebook! (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/videos/2315751605309153)
Food Wars is joining Toonami! (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/photos/a.1442483259375850/2175293802761455)
Was not expecting that.
I've heard not great things about the later arcs, especially the final one, but I've still always wanted to see and/or read it. So this should be cool.
Edit: The fuck, MHA was deathslotted?
Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-rPSK6U0AAq-2w.jpg) is coming to Toonami. Debut date and timeslot are TBA, at the moment.
Sword Art Online: Alicization (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-rN9XsUEAA56lv.jpg)'s third and fourth cours are coming to Toonami as well this October.
Cool about KnY! I've been wanting to catch up with that for a while.
Great news. It looks as though they caught onto KnY's rapid growth in popularity, and it's nice that it got announced sooner rather than over a year after airing it's first season like with MHA and Mob Psycho.
A new announcement, but this time it's Rooster Teeth trash- gen:LOCK on August 3.
Toonami has picked up Fire Force. (http://toonamifaithful.com/fire-force-to-join-toonami-july-27)
Just days after the KyoAni fire.
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/554/picard-facepalm.jpg)
That's a little awkward, yikes.
I'll still give it a shot though.
Definitely rough timing.
I watched the first episode subbed and it was extremely enjoyable, so I'll look forward to the dub. The 3rd episode has been delayed because of what happened. I haven't seen anything about when it may return so that will be something to see for the future.
Dr. Stone is coming to (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECH3btcU8AA34TK.jpg) Toonami. Debut date and timeslot are Saturday, August 24th at 12am. The downside is that MHA went from 3am (which was already kinda, wut?) to 4am for some weirdarse reason.
Quote from: Painted Outlaw on August 16, 2019, 06:31:17 PMDr. Stone is coming to (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECH3btcU8AA34TK.jpg) Toonami. Debut date and timeslot are Saturday, August 24th at 12am. The downside is that MHA went from 3am (which was already kinda, wut?) to 4am for some weirdarse reason.
The reason is simple: It's going into reruns. This week is the last premiere until whenever season 4 comes.
Frankly, what bugs me is that Lupin got shafted.
Lupin was doing about 250 to 275k a week on average. So this was a move that ultimately wasn't just warranted, it was LONG overdue. I'm actually surprised DeMarco did something relatively smart for once.
It sucks about Lupin, but I'm not surprised- western audiences just do not give a fuck about the franchise.
Like I said a while ago about Lupin, people in America want to root for old-fashioned heroes, not thieves. Granted, I love Lupin but while he takes down criminals bigger than him most people just won't look past that part.
The problem with airing Lupin on Toonami is that a large amount of the people who'd actually want to watch it:
A) Have already seen it
B) Prefer the Japanese audio
C) Don't want to stay up until 3am to watch an episode with commercial breaks
Like, I am a huge Lupin fan/advocate and simply cannot be bothered to watch it on Toonami because of all three reasons. In general, I'd say the block is good for introducing people to shows, not airing niche series people have already made up their minds about; airing mainstream stuff like MHA or simulcasts like Fire Force makes way more sense.
Those are all fair points. I do like the dub cast, especially moreso with the last two parts as opposed to Part II's weird pop culture inserts, but there doesn't seem to be much more overlap between Toonami viewers and the (relatively) few fans of the franchise in the state.
Quote from: Foggle on August 17, 2019, 01:32:02 PM
The problem with airing Lupin on Toonami is that a large amount of the people who'd actually want to watch it:
A) Have already seen it
B) Prefer the Japanese audio
C) Don't want to stay up until 3am to watch an episode with commercial breaks
Like, I am a huge Lupin fan/advocate and simply cannot be bothered to watch it on Toonami because of all three reasons. In general, I'd say the block is good for introducing people to shows, not airing niche series people have already made up their minds about; airing mainstream stuff like MHA or simulcasts like Fire Force makes way more sense.
^All of that too. A lot of anime series would probably do fine if they were given fair chances in other time slots than Saturday night.
Toonami is co-producing an anime of Junji Ito's Uzumaki. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDEQyK5ZH-E)
Really cool! This will help give the block a little more diversity, considering how shonen heavy it's become as of late.
Dragon Ball Super marathon on the 28th, and season 2 of One Punch Man October 12th.
Color me impressed. Toonami hasn't had any marathons AT ALL this year.
They usually start around May, then have a marathon every month or two. I'm impressed at their restraint.
tbh I think they've decided against them because ratings have been down across the board all over, so there isn't a point.
The only reason they're probably doing this one for DBS is because they needed another week to secure OPM. And maybe KnY, whenever we get that.
Considering the massive decrease in production quality from OPM season 1 to 2, KnY would have a pretty good shot at being their next big hit on the block should they ever get the rights to air it.
https://i.imgur.com/JWUrSDX.jpg
DB Super finale on October 5th followed by double eps of Dr. Stone (six and seven which would be new to the block).
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on September 11, 2019, 08:32:25 PM
Considering the massive decrease in production quality from OPM season 1 to 2, KnY would have a pretty good shot at being their next big hit on the block should they ever get the rights to air it.
They announced that they have the rights a while ago, but don't have a release for it. Which is definitely out of the ordinary for Toonami.
Edit: KnY starts on the 12th.
Golden Wind is coming October 26! (https://twitter.com/VIZMedia/status/1180144057894477826)
Also, Boruto is taking a break. (http://toonamifaithful.com/boruto-to-take-a-break-off-of-toonami)
Good news to me. Golden Wind isn't my favorite Jojo series thus far, but it was a good run, and I'm more than fine with it replacing Boruto, which I just can't get interested in.
What I'm less sure about is KnY going to 1:30 am. That's pretty late for a new series, but at the same time, it seems like none of the new shows Toonami has tried to follow up DBS with has done all that well in comparison. Maybe it'd maintain better ratings being sandwiched into the lineup.
MHA season 4 starts November 9 at 11PM (http://toonamifaithful.com/breaking-news-my-hero-academia-season-four-will-air-on-toonami)
I wonder how it'll do leading the block when premieres are a month behind.
While I was initially on board with KnY showing in the middle of the block, now I think that maybe it should start it instead, and MHA should be on a little later. The show's growing mad hype, and its dub is also premiering on the lineup, while I feel like most MHA fans are already up to date.
TOM now has his own Funko Pop. (https://twitter.com/DisFunko/status/1197526867479322627)
Wow. Okay.
TOM 1.0, no less.
I won't lie, I kinda need it.
"Is Lupin Still Burning?" (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKAiO2oW4AEOJ4O.jpg), a memorial episode to celebrate the 50th anniversary of Monkey Punch's Lupin the Third manga series will air December 14th at 3am on Toonami.
By some miracle, Sym-Bionic Titan is now on Netflix. (https://www.netflix.com/title/81235603)
Also, Dr. Stone has been greenlit for a second season! (http://toonamifaithful.com/dr-stone-renewed-for-season-2) :swoon:
Good news all around!
Schedule updates for the next few weeks- OPM marathon this Saturday, then a Dr. Stone marathon the week after. Regular lineup returns on the fourth, aside from the aforementioned shows swapping positions, and Promised Neverland repeats replacing Lupin's slot.
OPM's replacement on the 18th has been revealed.
11p: My Hero Academia
11:30p: Dr. Stone
12a – Sword Art Online Alicization War of the Underworld
12:30a - Fire Force
1a – Food Wars!
1:30a – Demon Slayer
2a – Black Clover
2:30a - JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
3a - Naruto: Shippuden
3:30a – The Promised Neverland
4a - Attack on Titan
Meh.
MHA is now getting reruns outside of Toonami.
A full hour of MHA will air Saturdays at 8PM, replacing the DBZ/Super hour.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO_F1l2W4AAsMsM.jpg
Starting February 8th, the schedule's shifting around due to various circumstances (losing the 4am slot, Fire Force leaving, Demon Slayer:KnY moving up, etc.) The resulting schedule will look as such:
11p: My Hero Academia
11:30p: Dr. Stone
12a – Sword Art Online Alicization War of the Underworld
12:30a - Demon Slayer
1a – Food Wars!
1:30a – Black Clover
2a – JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Golden Wind
2:30a - Naruto Shippuden
3a - The Promised Neverland
3:30a – Attack on Titan
I do wish that Mob season 2's dub would be ready by now, but it is cool for KnY to move up a little. Probably for the best that I'm not adding another show to my lineup, as I dropped Fire Force partway in. The nicest animation in the world couldn't distract from such a weak plot, flat characters, and dumb fan service.
They haven't aired season 2 yet? I'm pretty sure the dub premiered on Crunchyroll months ago. Unless they're having a hard time redubbing Reigen's lines after his first VA was outed as a sex pest.
Toonami is shrinking again. Twice.
February 22 - 11:30-4:00 (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/photos/a.1442483259375850/2353608491596651/?type=3)
February 29 - 11:30-3:00 (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/photos/a.1442483259375850/2353608514929982/?type=3)
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Attention #Toonami fans! A note about the lineup shrinkage. In an effort to keep rumors and speculation under control, here's a little context: a couple months back, our programming department came to us and asked how we felt about shaving some time off of the Toonami broadcast.
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Essentially, at 5-1/2 to 6 hours, Toonami was getting too expensive and unwieldy to handle. Too many shows rotating in and out, which are costing more and more these days. And frankly, as I've said before, our preferred length for the block is three hours.
Yesterday at 8:24 PM
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So: we are going to go back to the three hour Toonami for a while and see how that works! The block will still expand periodically as opportunities for new shows pop up, Toonami originals come in, etc.
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In short, don't worry! We are not going anywhere. We have 6 (yes, six) shows in production for Toonami, including Uzumaki and Blade Runner. That's all! Stay gold.
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So tl;dr: the block was getting too pricey to handle at its current length so they cut it down. But new shows may still have "opportunities" and they have six shows in production so, the whole shindig hasn't completely drained their funds I guess.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter too much, because they're only really losing reruns, and it should now be easier to stick around for the whole block.
But it's going to take a while before we get a new show. I don't think we're even halfway through KnY, let alone this season of MHA. Not even factoring in the longer runners.
It's official- we're getting marathons while the coronavirus takes its affect on dubbing the block. DB Kai is coming back for the night of the 11th.
Toonami is shrinking yet again. (https://twitter.com/CNschedules/status/1247643524507541507)
SAO is leaving the schedule on April 18. All the other shows remain. The block will run midnight-3AM.
So will Funi be able to dub more MHA for the block to run uninterrupted for this, or will we get more marathons after another week or two?
No one knows what will happen. The episode on April 18 is the last one that FUNi dubbed before going on hiatus.
Jason DeMarco gave us his usual, vague "New stuff is coming!" statement on Twitter. That could mean anything.
The MHA dub is back in production! (https://twitter.com/FUNimation/status/1248753758550573061?s=20)
New episode this Sunday!
Awesome! I knew it was possible to make that happen.
Paranoia Agent is coming to Toonami! (https://twitter.com/CNschedules/status/1250542127232307202)
EDIT: Also, Food Wars is going on break (https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/1250538374529769472) since they don't yet have the rights to the rest of the seasons.
So what's gonna replace Demon Slayer since last I checked there are only 3 episodes left in the can. They must have something in the backlog to prepare for this.
Still really hoping for Mob season 2, but if we haven't got it now, I don't think we will anytime soon.
Quote from: Daxdiv on April 16, 2020, 01:58:37 AMSo what's gonna replace Demon Slayer since last I checked there are only 3 episodes left in the can. They must have something in the backlog to prepare for this.
Just gotta wait and see what happens. :??:
MHA is getting a weekday run. (https://twitter.com/CNschedules/status/1253422996208807939)
5:30, though? :whuh:
Mob Psycho 100 returns on May 9. (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/posts/2415199272104239)
It's a repeat of season 1. I hope this leads into season 2.
Same.
But seriously, they couldn't have pushed Jojo and Black Clover up?
Just so we don't have to deal with this back-and-forth premiere/rerun swapping nonsense with MHA, they've pushed the premieres back a few weeks. (http://toonamifaithful.com/breaking-episodes-84-86-of-my-hero-academia-will-rerun-on-toonami-due-to-covid-19)
I'm fine with getting a few weeks of repeats, but I'd prefer if they could pick earlier, fan favorite episodes rather than repeating the last few episodes.
But the repeat they had on a couple of weeks ago had better ratings than its premiere, so what do I know?
So Jojo's dubbing is delayed, and Ballmastrz: 9009 will be taking its place for the foreseeable future.
Uh... okay?
MHA's replacement will be...Dragon Ball Super reruns. (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/photos/a.1442483259375850/2462899700667529/?type=3) :bleh:
On the bright side, though, new show announcements are coming late July. (https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/1276233776025264133)
I'm not too surprised about DB repeats coming back. I was 50-50 on that or MHA. Dragon Ball is ultimately the bigger get, but MHA has also been doing pretty well as an anchor.
I'm hoping that we see something new after Paranoia Agent, though. Mob season 2 is still my biggest hope. If we don't get that by the end of the year, we might never.
Toonami is airing excerpts from Adult Swim Con tonight.
A new original series, Fena: Pirate Princess was announced. Watch the preview here. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJQfos3gUNQ)
They debuted a new Rick & Morty anime short. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kdltv_CSHE) (This isn't the same one that aired in April.)
A full concert from the pillows is now up on Adult Swim's YouTube channel. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLyaOe9jc68)
We also have a bunch of long interviews.
-Blade Runner: Black Lotus directors. Watch it here. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QVBgip996I)
-Uzumaki director. Watch it here. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6CNhCfURMI)
-Jason and Gill interview Steve Blum (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slBsj8NJ0UM) and Dana Swanson. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzGlL4bzMsA)
Golden Wind replaces Paranoia Agent (https://i.imgur.com/88nnqrc.jpg), returning on August 1st at 12:30am. There's only 9 weeks left in it so this should hold the spot until October at the latest.
Quote from: Painted Outlaw on July 26, 2020, 12:20:58 PM
Golden Wind replaces Paranoia Agent (https://i.imgur.com/88nnqrc.jpg), returning on August 1st at 12:30am. There's only 9 weeks left in it so this should hold the spot until October at the latest.
Okay, now this is good news. It's nice to get Jojo back on the schedule, and earlier on the lineup, too!
The new show looks interesting, too. I hope it turns out alright. I didn't see the Rick and Morty show, but I've heard good things, so I'll have to check it out.
It seems they have 11 episodes left, but yeah it'll probably last through mid-October depending on whether they do a marathon on Labor Day weekend (or others). More curious whether they'll be able to show Mob Psycho season 2 when the reruns end soon or if they have something else lined up they could replace it with.
Fena looks pretty dope too. 2021 should be a good year for Toonami with all the originals coming.
The last I heard about Mob season 2, there's still some red tape holding it back for Toonami, but hopefully they'll be able to work something out by the time they finish this cycle.
I sure hope they can make it happen. It's been long enough.
Fire Force season 2 is coming in October. (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/posts/2488652281425604) Meh.
Yeah, I have no real use for the show myself, but I'm happy to know that we're getting at least something new this year.
It's funny, when Fire Force and Food Wars first started on the block, if you told me which one I'd drop a few episodes in, and which one I'd be anticipating to return, I wouldn't have believed you. I almost dropped Food Wars after the first episode, but for as dumb as it is, the show at least has more fun with itself. Fire Force is dumb, demeaning, and takes itself way too seriously.
Okay, movies are back. Batman ones, at that!
On August 15, the block will air Year One, and The Dark Knight Returns Part One, while on the 22nd, the second part will air after Gotham Knight.
Nice to see some DC stuff on Toonami again!
It'll be especially great to see Gotham Knight again. I remember when CN aired that movie waaaaaaaaaay back in 2008.
Assassination Classroom is joining Toonami on August 29! (https://twitter.com/CNschedules/status/1296582365272186880)
That's a true surprise announcement, but a welcome one IMO.
Toonami is getting a Shenmue anime. (http://segabits.com/blog/2020/09/04/crunchyroll-and-adult-swim-announce-shenmue-the-animation-13-episode-anime-series)
... Was not expecting that.
I hope he finds those sailors.
So, does anyone remember Machu Picchu, Adult Swim's April Fool prank from last year?
Season 2 is premiering on Toonami. (https://twitter.com/adultswim/status/1313886908133638144)
Announced on Toonami's live panel (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHUBEWvFtXw) at Adult Swim Festival:
SSSS.Gridman is coming in January.
I wasn't 100% interested in this one when it came out, but I may give it a shot just so I have something else to watch besides AssClass.
I know its time in the sun has come and gone, but they're still struggling to find too many recent series with COVID happening and all. So it is what it is.
Primal is FINALLY airing on Toonami. (https://toonamifaithful.com/breaking-news-toonami-celebrates-thanksgiving-with-a-primal-season-1-marathon)
They will air a marathon of season 1 on Thanksgiving.
More DC movies next week! (https://twitter.com/CNschedules/status/1337466275010924552)
Attack on Titan starts back up on the 9th.
Quote from: Avaitor on December 22, 2020, 02:56:27 PM
Attack on Titan starts back up on the 9th.
And then SSSS.Gridman follows on the 16th.
New 4-part event premiering next week. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq4H0ihmV0c)
Well, this is sudden.
The Promised Neverland season 2 coming April 10. (https://www.facebook.com/1440408039583372/posts/2672707293020101)
Kind of surprised they're going for this over Dr. Stone season 2 considering the season's reception.
Toonami is getting a revamp this year, and they accidentally leaked it on Facebook. (https://animesuperhero.com/forums/threads/toonami-news-discussion-thread.5233101/page-518)
MHA season 5 starts May 8. (https://twitter.com/ToonamiNews/status/1380916154261192708)
Dr. Stone season 2 coming May 15! (https://www.funimation.com/blog/2021/04/21/dr-stone-season-2-heads-to-toonami-on-may-15)
Naruto: Shippuden is joining the weekday lineup starting May 3. (https://twitter.com/CNschedules/status/1385662585253494787)
Schedule update starting May 29: MHA moves to the start of the block, DBS moves to the bottom.
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/412776235182325763/845377157043978320/187862262_2718402915117205_8590943610622415613_n.png)
Good!
Yashahime is coming to Toonami on June 26. (https://twitter.com/ToonamiNews/status/1402297955365888006)
EDIT: Blade Runner: Black Lotus premieres in the Fall...on Adult Swim Canada. (https://twitter.com/CNschedules/status/1402437829301506052)
The Canada and U.S. networks tend to premiere shows on the same day, so this might also be the case.
Uzumaki has been delayed till October 2022.
On the bright side, though, we have a new preview! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnQOO8Y1Ck0) And it's not a repeat of the previous teaser this time!
Fena: Pirate Princess premieres...this Summer?! (https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2021-06-16/crunchyroll-adult-swim-fena-pirate-princess-original-anime-reveals-trailer-art-cast-staff-summer-launch/.174054)
Well, that's way sooner than I expected.
Special Toonami schedules.
July 31 - Toonami is doubling up (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/photos/a.1442483259375850/2754542708169892/?type=3) on MHA and Food Wars.
August 7 - Harley Quinn premieres! (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/photos/a.1442483259375850/2754542691503227/?type=3) The entire first season will premiere in a marathon from 10:30PM-5AM.
Fena: Pirate Princess premieres August 14. (https://twitter.com/adultswim/status/1417514762267762688)
Alright! Let's hope this is good.
Really looking forward to this, it looks like a lot of fun! I'm getting a lot of Yona of the Dawn vibes from it, and since I just finished catching up with that series I'm definitely down to have another show to watch with that feel!
Blade Runner: Black Lotus premieres this Fall.
Here's the trailer. (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/posts/2760866694204160)
Stone Ocean is premiering in December...on Netflix. (https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/1424225249281904640)
So are they getting the whole season at once, or are they getting one a week? I know Netflix doesn't like doing weekly drops, but have they ever done that for anime? I know they did for the Great British Bake-Off, but I can't think of any other examples.
But yes, it sucks that Toonami won't get the new Jojo anymore. It was a nice run while it lasted.
Jason DeMarco got one hell of a promotion. (https://deadline.com/2021/08/jason-demarco-named-svp-anime-action-series-longform-for-warner-bros-animation-cartoon-network-studios-1234812006)
Quote from: Avaitor on August 08, 2021, 01:50:32 PM
So are they getting the whole season at once, or are they getting one a week? I know Netflix doesn't like doing weekly drops, but have they ever done that for anime? I know they did for the Great British Bake-Off, but I can't think of any other examples.
My guess is that the show will be released in batches every few months, like how
Pokemon and
Shaman King are being done. I'm expecting the first cour's worth to be out in December and then probably the next cours popping up after three month intervals.
Quote from: Daikun on August 10, 2021, 06:00:30 PM
Jason DeMarco got one hell of a promotion. (https://deadline.com/2021/08/jason-demarco-named-svp-anime-action-series-longform-for-warner-bros-animation-cartoon-network-studios-1234812006)
It's cool to see DeMarco in an even greater executive role to produce more anime and action animation! Fena and Blade Runner are looking really good so I'm excited to see what else WB is gonna produce with DeMarco at the helm!
Awesome news about DeMarco, here's hoping he can some great actions shows on Cartoon Network again.
Another night of Batman movies on October 16, plus a short. (https://twitter.com/swimpedia/status/1443368867586351109)
Also, Black Clover concludes on October 9.
Hmm, I wonder what will replace Black Clover. Megalobox Nomad? Assassination Classroom season 2? Maybe, possibly, finally Mob Psycho 100 season 2?
I've heard good things about both of those Batman movies, and I'm especially interested in Ninja. That should be a fun night.
Blade Runner: Black Lotus premieres November 13. Here's the trailer. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUu3lK_Z8VM)
Also, Shenmue trailer. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZglZdwRw3XA)
More Batman on October 23. (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/photos/a.1442483259375850/2818607841763378/?type=3)
Also, a Fena marathon on October 30.
Blade Runner 2049 is going to air on the 26th.
A good call! And surprising to see [as] air something related to Toonami like this on an off-night.
Will Demon Slayer S2 not air on Toonami? (https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/1468052890581450754) ???
... What can they air at this point?
Yeah, I struggle to see Toonami's purpose anymore. Most action animated shows make their way to streaming these days, and it should be embarrassing on Toonami's part that a League of Legends cartoon is receiving more acclaim and discussion than a Blade Runner cartoon. Anime's easier than ever to find as soon as it airs in Japan, and it's hard to think of a modern day scenario where a show that failed to succeed on original airing can find renewed success here like with Outlaw Star.
I've seen the argument that Toonami should become a place for experimental animated shows or cartoons from other countries in order to promote creative growth, but the days of finding creative growth on a late-night cable block are long gone. Creating and sustaining a Liquid Television was already hard enough in the 90s, and ultimately failed because MTV preferred making money over spending it, but doing it now is even more unfeasible since that costs significant time and money CN/AS aren't willing to give. After all, most of the weirder AS shows are made on shoestring budgets. The Eric Andre Show is $3 million per season for instance. (https://www.inverse.com/article/19166-eric-andre-show-season-4-interview-legalize-ranch-rnc) And that's one of their bigger shows.
Quote from: Avaitor on December 07, 2021, 04:58:00 PM
... What can they air at this point?
I suppose Sentai still has Ushio and Tora, Princess Principle, and the newest seasons of Food Wars and Lupin whenever those get dubbed.
There's also Shenmue and the other half-dozen originals down the pipeline, but after three misses with FLCL Prog, Fena, and Black Lotus (four if you count IGPX), it's safe to put any expectations at rock bottom. Below that, even.
At this point, Toonami just feels like a waiting ground for people that want to see dubs & even then thanks to how most companies are putting out simuldubs on their streaming service people could just easily search that out if they don't want to listen to Japanese audio.
When was the last time a TV show got a fandom or a reinvigorated fandom from reruns? Maybe Columbo on MeTV because I've noticed a lot more people making Columbo references lately than they used to? But Toonami can't accomplish that since Columbo aired at a time where most people wouldn't be asleep. I doubt the scenario will happen again where Toonami licenses an anime that didn't get attention when it first premiered, and then enough people are awake at 1 AM watching it and going "Holy shit, this is the best show but I'm perfectly content just watching one episode a week at 1 AM instead of finding the whole series online!" Streaming, legal and illegal, made that avenue unappealing to modern viewers. And of course, even the localization wait time's gone due to simuldubs with every anime localizer buying the rights to as many new anime as they can before they air instead of waiting months or years like they did back in Toonami/ASA's peak. Because the internet wasn't that advanced yet so everybody could still take their time importing and dubbing shows over to America, and studios weren't making almost 50 new anime per season like we're getting now.
As for their original shows, they've all been either dull or awful.
In the earlier years of Toonami's revival, they've been able to help push some series from being merely pretty popular to blowing up through the stratosphere. I feel like Attack on Titan, One Punch Man, and even Hunter X Hunter got big boosts from their time on Toonami. I definitely didn't see HXH merch at Hot Topic before it hit Toonami, at least.
But over the past couple of years, it seems like this is harder to accomplish. They've needed MHA and Demon Slayer more than the other way around, and I don't think Food Wars or Assassination Classroom have received that AOT or HXH-level boost from their time on the block.
But their originals aren't cutting it. No one cared about the FLCL sequels, Fena turned out to be a massive disappointment, and Black Lotus isn't doing anything to eradicate Blade Runner's terrible track record with the mainstream. I don't see Shenmue breaking this streak, either- isn't it known for being kind of dull?. Maybe Uzumaki will break this streak. Even if it does turn out disappointing, Junji Ito is a big enough name that I can see it gain some attention.
Yeah, but AOT, OPM, and HxH already had significantly large fandoms in the US before they any of them reached Toonami. I don't think any of them really needed Toonami to find mainstream popularity, just that it was one among several avenues to watch those shows. While I don't remember Food Wars or Ass Class receiving the same level of attention AOT was getting when its first episode premiered in Japan. I'm sure Toonami in the last decade helped a couple shows find a handful of fans, but for the most part, I don't think any relatively recent anime specifically owes its popularity to airing there. It's not like 20 years ago where if you didn't have the International Channel or you couldn't go to a Suncoast and buy DVDs, Toonami was basically your only source to find DBZ episodes.
And it's not like it's impossible for Toonami to succeed at airing shit late at night and hoping enough people will take a gander. Disney+ somehow managed to convince tons of people to tune in at 3AM once a week to watch the latest episode of Mandalorian. That worked because it was an entertaining show connected to a huge IP so there was enough brand recognition for people to notice and get hooked to. Toonami's trying to do that with Black Lotus, but it's not working both because Blade Runner's not a huge blockbuster franchise and the show itself is trash.
Maybe they could ask Lana Wachowski to help produce a Matrix animated series for Toonami. Make something like the Animatrix again, but in series format. Unlike BR, The Matrix is a big enough IP that I could picture that working in the block's favor.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on December 09, 2021, 07:10:26 PMUnlike BR, The Matrix is a big enough IP that I could picture that working in the block's favor.
I doubt it. The
Matrix sequels have been rubbish. It's been close to 20 years since those movies were released, and I have very little hope that
Resurrections could help the franchise in any way (although I will still watch it on HBO Max, regardless). As we've seen with several WB-owned properties for the last decade, they've been desperate for revitalizing their old shit without understanding what made the originals so great, coming off as shallow imitations of what came before.
The Matrix was a time capsule that exists in its own little corner of history. It has not aged well--especially since the countless clones and parodies that came out since then made it age faster--and it's not nearly as well-remembered as it was in its day.
I've actually seen The Matrix franchise have a resurgence in recent years, particularly among the trans community. Many consider the Wachowskis to be important and have reevaluated the sequels to be better than their earlier reputation.
But maybe I only see this in that weird subsection of Twitter. But most of those people were pushing for Dune, and that became a hit, so who knows, maybe Resurrections will do the trick.
I've seen that resurgence too. Similar to how the Star Wars prequels have gotten a lot of positive re-evaluation over the last half of a decade after they were the internet's punching bag for so long. Or how Keanu Reeves enjoyed a career renaissance from the John Wick films and everyone went from "That actor who can only say 'whoa'? Who gives a shit?" to "Keanu, I fucking love you!" It's hardly universal of course, there are still plenty who think the Matrix sequels are a mess. I recently rewatched them and while the action scenes are still cool, I thought the plot and themes were all over the place. But there's still plenty interest in the franchise if all the YouTube views on the Matrix 4 trailer are anything to go by.
And personally, I'd love if they made something like the Animatrix again. Find some animation directors, give them a spot in the Matrix universe to work on, give them creative freedom, and watch them make magic.
Assassination Classroom returns next week with season 2!
Whoa, way to start the year on a good note!
Full January 8 schedule finally posted on Facebook. AC will be getting a full hour premiere!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIdSkLMXwAMoT2b.jpg)
They really don't have much, but it's something to finally see them pile on more Shippuden. I don't know why they haven't done an hour or so of it earlier, there's more than enough episodes left for them to do it.
Apparently, they'll be premiering a new show on the block every week for the next month. Since there are four double-upped timeslots on this schedule I wouldn't be surprised if that means we're getting four new shows to the block soon. Attack on Titan's final season is a given, but I'm curious as to what the other pickups will be.
I'm hoping that they'll finally work something out for Megalobox Nomad, and maybe even Mob Psycho 100 season 2. Besides those and AOT, maybe Yashahime season 2 will be ready by that point?
I guess there's also SSSS.Dynazenon, but I feel like Gridman wasn't a big deal for the block. But if Mob is still locked up by CR, maybe that has a shot.
Oh yeah, Demon Slayer. I feel like that's even less likely than Mob at this point.
I was way off- Made in Abyss starts this Saturday.
One Piece is back. Again. (https://www.facebook.com/1440408039583372/posts/2886527124971449/?d=n)
I would've been really happy about this if they could've started at Wano, but alas they're starting from the beginning of the post-timeskip stuff. Which isn't a bad place to start narratively, but the anime's padding is rough from Fishman Island through Dressrosa. Kinda hoping they can just continue playing it an hour a week until they catch up on the dub.
Anime Twitter is being pretty damn annoying about this. Not nearly as much as film Twitter was with that David Lynch hot take yesterday, but it's been obnoxious to see people who haven't watched Toonami in years bring up One Piece's lackluster ratings in the US.
Not that they're wrong, and I do agree that OP has had too many chances at this point when it's apparent that the sect of anime fans who watch the block just don't click with it. But many love OP and have been hoping for it to return for a while, and at this point, I don't see it being that much of a ratings poison case.
Also, I'm seriously starting to think that DeMarco doesn't like Ushio & Tora, and that's why it keeps being passed over for the block.
Shenmue premieres February 5. (http://toonamifaithful.com/breaking-news-shenmue-release-date-announced-for-feb-5)
This Shenmue anime is already inaccurate. The dub doesn't sound hilarious.
I don't see any reason to use ratings or anything to judge OP coming back on Toonami. It's airing at 2 in the evening. Who gives a shit about ratings then?
Kinda surprised that they're giving One Piece another shot & the fact that they're starting at Fishman Island arc rather than where they left off. I guess if having One Piece on the schedule helps with them filling in the void of not having a lot to air anymore helps.
Is it really because every decent anime is nabbed by Netflix or Funi/Crunchy's asking for too much money, or is DeMarco just bad at finding new shows?
DeMarco continues to find new ways to disappoint
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on January 19, 2022, 07:37:50 PM
Is it really because every decent anime is nabbed by Netflix or Funi/Crunchy's asking for too much money, or is DeMarco just bad at finding new shows?
I'm going to go with "all of the above". It's not like Sentai's lacking in good shows for Toonami to air either (like Avaitor said, Ushio & Tora is
right there). Jason's taste in anime just feels very limited.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure we're not gonna see Stone Ocean on Toonami considering how Netflix has seemed to scoop up the rest of Jojo. It does feel like that either Funi or Netflix scoops up whatever they can & do whatever with it.
In hindsight, it's a small miracle they managed to get Demon Slayer and Dr. Stone within a year of those shows' Japanese airings.
Toonami is making something with Titmouse! (https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/1487278939978584064)
YES! One of my favorite TV studios is finally making something for Toonami! :joy:
I don't understand why EVERYTHING he works on needs to be anime, we could always use more good western action animation. But hey, it'll be cool to see what he's doing with Titmouse.
AoT Final Season Part 2 premieres February 12 (https://twitter.com/ToonamiNews/status/1489638859151446017)
Cosmo Samurai returns next week. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAnj2aJaT6k)
One TIE wasn't enough. We're getting another one next week, just in time for Toonami's 25th anniversary!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgRfrgFvphc
FLCL 4 & 5 are coming. (https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/toonami-flcl-housing-complex-c-1235207955)
Wow, okay. I thought they'd be done after the two previous mediocre seasons.
Also, an original horror anime called Housing Complex C.
Here's the teaser for FLCL: Grunge. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD-HHpPws-c)
EDIT: Housing Complex C teaser. (https://twitter.com/ToonamiSquad/status/1504515339538812932)
The horror show looks alright so far, but yeah, do we really need more FLCL? At this point it seems like DeMarco is trolling us.
And happy 25th!
Lupin Part VI joins Toonami on April 16. (https://twitter.com/CNschedules/status/1512121045586567192)
I haven't got around to Part VI yet, so this will be a first-time watch for me, unlike when Part V hit the block.
I'm pretty excited, at least.
Dear Crunchyroll... What did Toonami ever do to you? Did they run over your dog?
https://twitter.com/swimpedia/status/1534928949721157635
I recall DeMarco saying before that the founder of CrunchyRoll personally thanked Toonami for being his gateway into anime. And he repays them by playing hardball to the nth degree.
Double Shippuden is fine with me, let's get through this as fast as they can. But it's really not looking good if they can't get very many new series. Especially when they've yet to make a particularly good original.
Is Sentai still fair game or has that AMC deal complicated things?
Quote from: Rynnec on June 12, 2022, 10:05:17 PMIs Sentai still fair game or has that AMC deal complicated things?
Too early to say. We'll probably find out when
Lupin III ends, which will take several months.
Shenmue marathon on July 2. Eh.
I would have prefer a Primal marathon since season 2 is coming soon & to act as a bit of a refresher of the series, even if they do have the series as part of the current Toonami line up.
That would be kind of risky, since Primal repeats have been giving the block their best ratings in ages. That could make for a good night, but it would also hurt the last couple of episodes before season 2 starts.
In somewhat tangential news, does anyone remember the short Scavengers that aired a few years ago?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TRzemJbUsw
It's getting a full series on HBO Max next year. Here's the trailer. (https://twitter.com/CNschedules/status/1537118324684992514)
Tonight's double Shippuden is one night only. (https://twitter.com/swimpedia/status/1538372420263890944)
And we still don't know what's happening next week. :??:
EDIT: It could be wrong. Double Shippuden is still showing on next week's schedule.
Double Shippuden for at least a few more weeks. (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/posts/pfbid02uxPoKJj5YxhqUrK8sNWJCi9DTa8YGMVA772VTq3ogsMUzvxJsmhH8DPbq8zqckgRl)
Yep, had a feeling...
Quote from: Daikun on June 14, 2022, 03:31:53 AMQuote from: Rynnec on June 12, 2022, 10:05:17 PMIs Sentai still fair game or has that AMC deal complicated things?
Too early to say. We'll probably find out when Lupin III ends, which will take several months.
Jason DeMarco has recently confirmed on an AMA that their relationship with Sentai has not changed. (https://twitter.com/CNschedules/status/1541183831671459840)
Glad to see there's at least ONE distributor they can still rely on.
So what's going on with Sony that they're this unwilling to let Toonami air their shows? They've been pretty okay with half a dozen networks airing Seinfeld all the time, and you've got networks like Cozi, MeTV, or Laff airing at least one of the many shows they own in their catalog.
Info regarding Toonami originals from AX: (https://twitter.com/ToonamiSquad/status/1543050512886480897)
-House Complex C will be 4 episodes.
-FLCL: Grunge centers around 3 girls.
-FLCL: Shoegaze takes place 10 years after Alternative.
Also, Uzumaki is delayed again. (https://twitter.com/UzumakiAnime1/status/1541477045112143872)
Man, originals with short episode counts and taking forever to get made. This sucks.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on June 30, 2022, 07:46:22 PM
So what's going on with Sony that they're this unwilling to let Toonami air their shows? They've been pretty okay with half a dozen networks airing Seinfeld all the time, and you've got networks like Cozi, MeTV, or Laff airing at least one of the many shows they own in their catalog.
I think it comes down to different expectations with their demographics, as well as Crunchyroll's preference for keeping their series on their services, with Sony having the power to double down for them.
But it is somewhat confusing that CR is able to collaborate with Toonami to make original series, but refuses to let them air something even as modestly popular as Mob Psycho 100 S2, let alone Funi's big players.
Warner Bros. Discovery has paused all funding. (https://twitter.com/SilverAbsolutII/status/1543052348460769286) Not just Toonami, but pretty much everything in the company.
This explains a hell of a lot.
Interesting, and it looks like they still don't know what they want to do with their works. A lot of Warner shows are being taken off of HBO Max, including Final Space, as Discovery is reshuffling things.
So far I can't tell if this is a good thing or not, but maybe some shake up is necessary? AT&T didn't know or even seem to care about what to do, and that only ended up disastrously.
Toonami WILL be airing season 2 of Primal. (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/posts/pfbid02HycZeVV7hReLu7GQ9k9ctM28voRhNHhPkwZNuk9hfxcVn6mWDQ3jRVyDR227aXKul)
Not as premieres (they will air on AS proper two days before), but it's happening for sure.
Yashahime S2 premieres July 30. (https://toonamifaithful.com/breaking-news-toonami-to-air-second-season-of-yashahime-princess-half-demon-on-july-30)
Housing Complex C premieres October 1. (https://twitter.com/animenewsnet/status/1559613476317839361)
Batman movie double-feature on September 17--including Mask of the Phantasm! (https://twitter.com/CNschedules/status/1568277944212295680)
:huh: Holy shit, that takes me back! I never thought they'd air this movie on the Adult Swim version of Toonami.
When's the last time Mask of the Phantasm aired on CN proper? I remember when Toonami folded into Saturday night movies, they showed the other 3 DCAU films, but I don't think that MOTP ever made it on.
Yeah, I don't remember seeing it on CN, or any cable channel for that matter. It was one of those "Fuck it, guess I have to buy it on DVD to find out what the fuss is all about" movies as a kid.
Toonami aired this movie in the very early 2000s when they were still on weekdays. The first time I saw them air it was on their Full Cycle marathon in 2000, then they aired it a couple more times on their Friday movies.
Yeah, MotP's aired on Toonami many times before. Swimpedia (https://sites.google.com/site/swimpediaiscoming/toonami-schedules/1999?authuser=0) tells me it first aired on January 8th 1999 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-IQ8n1R6wY&ab_channel=SlimD716) and then again on April 8th 2000, December 1st 2000 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfnOtEeHGz0&ab_channel=SlimD716), and March 23rd 2001.
Well, that's on my child self for not reading enough TV Guide.
I definitely remember Mask of the Phantasm airing on CN at some point (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCpE99ZcvH8), but I wasn't sure if it aired past when B:TAS was a regular part of the channel like other DCAU films did. Doesn't seem like it.
Housing Complex C trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT8QtXL4GSs)
Starting on the fifth, My Hero Academia S6 and Made in Abyss S2 start the block.
Edit: Scratch that for now, it looks like MHA is airing season 5. Is that a typo, or is that all they can get?
According to DeMarco, it is indeed a repeat of Season 5. Damn, here I was hoping that discussions with Funi/Crunchyroll was doing OK.
I'm impressed that they still have the rights to MHA and TPN. I thought Sony would've pulled them by now.
Update: MHA won't be starting at season 5 from the beginning. It will be starting from the...third-to-last episode.
https://twitter.com/swimpedia/status/1585840501546438656
MHA season 6 starts on Saturday.
Cool, they can get stuff from Funi still. I wonder if it's only series that they already had contracts for like MHA and AOT, or if DeMarco bended [as] to pay whatever ridiculous amount they want for it. The former seems less likely, otherwise Demon Slayer S2 and Megalobox Nomad would have aired by now. Unless, like AOT, they have a special contract for MHA, although that also sounds less likely as the show's dub didn't premiere on the block.
So, after watching Blue Lock since I was in the mood for a sports anime after quite a long while, the number one thought that hit me was that this is the perfect kind of show for Toonami's audience. It's nothing groundbreaking for the genre, but it's purposely exaggerated in a way that plays out like an action series more than a traditional sports series (which are already very battle shounen-esque as is). I think it's the kind of show that the Toonami audience would really be into.
I assume it's because Toonami's a little stuck in its old ways, and back in Toonami's first era, Prince of Tennis bombed and they never bothered airing Slam Dunk even though that was big in Japan at the time, so maybe they just don't have interest in sports anime.
And a while ago, I was thinking of all the 90s or early 00s anime that you'd think would have aired on Toonami back in its prime but never did thanks to licensing, lack of interest, or some other reason. Like Lain or Slayers. (https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/1242859681258889216) Or the 1999 HxH or Flame of Recca.
They did try to get Yuri on Ice a few years ago but that fell through. I think a sports anime could work now, but I don't know if that's too high of a priority for Toonami.
But what is Toonami's current priority? Because so far, it just sounds like "Churn out enough original shows until we find one that people actually cling on to". And who knows when that'll bear fruit.
Though I agree, it wouldn't kill them to try a sports show again. Maybe licensing's in the way. I know Blue Lock's Crunchyroll.
The DC movies Injustice and Justice League vs. the Fatal Five are airing on February 18 and 25.
https://twitter.com/ToonamiSquad/status/1621292761335963649
The One Piece/Toriko crossover special is airing on the block in March. (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/posts/pfbid0332B9i9jHNYUGP3WPtmeCe5e6fT4KcNPug6T8Z8hywwhkKVqE5kxmyF35Tab5umBzl)
We FINALLY get a new(ish) show- Food Wars S5 on the 18th.
So, I enjoyed the previous seasons as kind of a guilty pleasure, but I hear that the last season is pretty rough even by its standards. Still, I'll watch it. I did sit through all of Promised Neverland's second season, after all.
I'd prefer it if they aired it at 12:30 so One Piece could continue with its hour-long blocks and MHA won't catch up to the dub so quickly.
I'm hoping they have a plan for what comes after MHA, which is why they're doubling up on it. But I also kind of doubt that's the case, because yes, I think that double One Piece or Naruto would be the way to go instead.
Not sure what a feasible plan is, to be honest.
Unicorn: Warriors Eternal and My Adventures with Superman are going to Adult Swim now instead of Cartoon Network, and both shows will have encores on Toonami. (https://twitter.com/ToonamiNews/status/1641105519589957632)
The schedule for the next few weeks were dropped, and to replace MHA, expect more Primal and Unicorn repeats...
Although DeMarco insists that they're working on the rights to air SOMETHING exciting, I'm guessing Dr. Stone season 3. And in his recent Twitter AMA, he also states that it's getting a little easier to work with Sony/CrunchyRoll, so that's something, right?
The thought came to me yesterday how Tubi, a smaller company than WB, can get the rights to all these anime and convince the rights owners it's okay to air them for free, (https://tubitv.com/category/anime) while CN's struggling. Surely, Toonami could get the rights to some older, less well-known shows from the 90s or 00s and use that to buy time for a while before getting the bigger acquisitions they want, instead of endless repeats of the same shit. Even if Sony/Crunchyroll are hard to work with, what about all the other companies with the rights to anime? Wouldn't people at Gkids, Shout, or Discotek be interested?
Don't those companies mostly work with older titles, though? Toonami as of late has been reluctant to go back too far, and to be fair, I kind of get it. When they aired Outlaw Star again a few years ago, it didn't do that well in the ratings, despite its ties to the block at its peak. I think even far-more worn out Bebop repeats were beating it.
Still, at this point, ANYTHING would be better than airing Primal. Even going back to Bebop, GITS and Samurai Jack.
Yeah, though it would be really skewed of AS, the same AS that aired Off the Air, to be concerned about airing old anime of all things. Besides, do ratings really matter when Toonami's already on a graveyard slot? Nobody else airs specialized blocks on 1 AM on Saturday night for a reason. What is Toonami even really competing with anymore? Old reruns of 90s Day Fiance on TLC? Infomercials?
Dr. Stone Season 3 is coming June 3.
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/612169079675158558/1106281170909532230/image0.png)
Called it!
It's something, but these next few weeks are looking kind of dire.
I guess DeMarco knows who I am now. (https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/status/1663715147720933380)
I didn't make the screencap. BOO! Imagine a comment from a guy with a way lower follower count getting under your skin like that.
His rebuttal doesn't make sense either. Because while I respect Gundam as a concept, Bandai's a toy company. Gundam is made with toys in mind in the same way Barbie is made with toys in mind. Sure, you can argue one has the better story than the other, but they are both made with the intent of shilling toys to audiences. And DeMarco pretending otherwise is hypocritical, especially when Toonami's had a history of airing shows like Zoids, Duel Masters, several Transformers shows, Pokemon, etc. He's well within his right to say he doesn't care for toyetic media, but hearing him say it is comparable to hearing a Hasbro exec say it. A glaring lack of self-awareness.
And I see he didn't acknowledge my other tweet asking how his LOTR movie that's mostly made just so WB can keep the LOTR rights for a few more years is less of a product than the Barbie movie.
We already said this in private, but it's hypocritical to call Barbie a toy commercial when you're responsible for a Shenmue series. At least the Barbie movie is looking to be intentionally subversive, while Shenmue was just a book report adaptation.
I saw him shit on Chloe Zhao a few days ago for directing a Diablo commercial, and yeah, going from directing a Best Picture to working for Blizzard doesn't exactly look great (and even then, so what? Lots of BP winners end up making shit just to pay the bills only a few years later), but a guy making a failed Shenmue show picking on others for making video game commercials is such a "pot meet kettle" moment. Maybe if he quit his smug parade and put more time in overseeing production of any of these Toonami original shows, one of them might actually be good. Instead of making petty snipes while other places are offering better action cartoons and anime than Toonami.
Don't understand shitting on making an ad for a new video game, even if it's from Activision/Blizzard. Especially with gaming evolving into a multi-million/billion dollar industry that can go toe to toe with Hollywood Movies/TV Shows & the fact that there are some good adaptations out right now. Hell, when I went to see Guardians of the Galaxy 3, when I sat down & saw the ads before the film started one of them was for Diablo IV. I overheard one person thinking that it's ad was a movie trailer & was surprised it was for a video game.
I will say, I hope whatever else he's overseeing becomes a hit, since other series he backs usually has a "Oh yeah, that was a thing, right?"
And Shenmue's one of the better Toonami originals.
Quote from: Rynnec on June 02, 2023, 03:03:52 AMAnd Shenmue's one of the better Toonami originals.
Yeah, that's the sad thing, isn't it? It's still slow as molasses (which let's be honest, is a structural problem from the games- Shenmue was never going to be a great fit for the action block), but it at least is more solidly built than Fena and isn't as dry or ugly as the Blade Runner show. I'm hoping Uzumaki will be good, but the delays are not encouraging.
I really do care about Toonami and its legacy, and I still find the people who dedicate their entire internet personas to badmouthing DeMarco offputting, but he makes it hard to root for him sometimes.
Yeah, in the end, I'd prefer if Toonami produced TV that was worthwhile, and it'd be nice if the block expanded rather than dry up like this, but much of that is nothing but personal nostalgia at this point. Nostalgia can only go so far, especially when it's for a programming block in contrast to the shows themselves. And if Toonami died like right now, for me, it'd matter as little as Saturday Morning blocks dying out. Sad from a sentimental point, but practically, I can find most if not all of the shows Toonami aired, most of the shows Toonami would air, and places with Steve Blum's voice elsewhere.
And as I also said privately, Toonami's mostly hanging on because of its Hartmanesque "Respect us because we created your childhood!" personality that both the brand and DeMarco emanate instead of offering anything new to the table. It all comes off as an old garage band still desperate for their big break insisting they're putting out transgressive hits but are just shitting out mediocre dad rock.
DeMarco and co's rather outdated grasp on anime fandom certainly isn't helping either. You know your out of touch with modern anime viewers when you expect an audience of 18-35 year olds to get excited for Boruto, or tune in at 3am to watch ages old Naruto episodes.
I mean, if Toonami went back to being a weekday block, airing long shonen shows with a huge cache of episodes like Naruto would have worked, because many of those series benefit more from being seen in bulk. But right now, it's like if Comet reran one episode of X-Files or Stargate a week.
Honestly don't get who's watching Naruto on AS. I assume most of the fans have already finished the show years ago, and any newcomers will be lost without watching the last few hundreds of episodes so they'll just go on streaming to figure out what the hell a Naruto is. Is it just for people who love rewatching the show, but not enough to binge it or watch more than 1 episode a week, or even start again at the beginning?
I can kind of understand why Shippuden still gets consistent ratings since it's a dub premiere and there's surprisingly still a market that will blindly eat up everything Naruto... aside from Boruto for whatever reason. Although I do kind of get that too, it's even more kiddy than the original series and it came out too soon to feel nostalgic about the franchise. At least with Yasahime, they waited a few years after Inuyasha ended the anime to cash in on its nostalgia.
What really made them look like they're out of ideas is when One Piece returned. The series has underperformed twice on the block, and just isn't as big of a deal stateside as it is elsewhere. I'll grant that from what I see, it doesn't seem like as much of a ratings sinkhole anymore, but I wouldn't have put all of my eggs in that basket for a third time.
Though calling them dub premieres is doing a lot of weightlifting here since I think they wrapped up recording all of Shippuden 4 or 5 years ago. I'm pretty sure anybody who blindly eats up Naruto no matter what wouldn't be patiently waiting every Saturday night for an episode a week instead of going on Crunchyroll, Tubi, Pluto, and other unmentionable sites and watching hours of episodes anytime they want. But I know there are people watching, it's just I don't really get it unless it's the equivalent to people who leave their TV on when falling asleep.
My Adventures with Superman premieres July 6 at midnight.
The first two schedules for July have been released. The first will feature another Unicorn marathon, while the eighth will air the first two My Adventures With Superman episode, which gives them another week to find their replacement for Food Wars... if we get one.
So they accidentally aired episode 7 of Dr. Stone last night instead of 6. To make up for it, they're going to air 6 next week and reair 7 the week after.
I think it would have been a better call to air 6 and 7 together and drop one of the repeats, but they probably like having another week to stall whatever their next show is.
Yeah, it's probably human error and it's not like it matters in the long run, but there's still a part of my brain going "Well maybe this wouldn't have happened if DeMarco stopped wasting his time posting pompous shit or retweeting someone with braindead takes on Twitter instead of delegating it all to Master Control". My sympathy's just not there anymore.
What's the third trailer? I'm on vacation right now in Canada, so it's geoblocked for me.
Uzumaki.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2QrzCnXYAA11WC?format=jpg&name=small)
It is rather odd that DeMarco is claiming this given Gainax's troubled recent history. (https://www.otaquest.com/hideaki-anno-gainax-evangelion/)
Attack on Titan: The Final Chapters airs September 9. (https://twitter.com/CNschedules/status/1690050839677673477)
So, I guess the new seasons of
FLCL are three episodes each instead of the usual six.
...ugh. (https://www.vulture.com/article/flcl-grunge-shoegaze-adult-swim-anime-series.html)
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on September 21, 2023, 10:13:51 PM...ugh. (https://www.vulture.com/article/flcl-grunge-shoegaze-adult-swim-anime-series.html)
That's a misleading clickbait title. What Jason says even contradicts it.
QuoteBut while he's confident the IP will endure, he doesn't think Adult Swim will keep cranking FLCL entries out forever after Grunge and Shoegaze roll out.
Did people like the CGI FLCL show? I haven't seen people talk about it a positive light, if at all.
Quote from: Daxdiv on September 22, 2023, 02:28:18 PMDid people like the CGI FLCL show? I haven't seen people talk about it a positive light, if at all.
I personally think it's alright. It's way better than the previous two seasons, which were boring as hell. This one at least tries to make up for the mistakes of
Progressive/Alternative by having more energetic, dynamic animation like the original series rather than looking dime-a-dozen like the previous reboot.
It sucks that it's only 3 episodes though rather than six. It certainly seems like it could use more fleshing out rather than wrapping everything up so quickly.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8-mMnQWAAAYYKx.jpg)
On the plus side, though, Dr. Stone returns November 11. (https://www.facebook.com/Toonami/posts/pfbid0G2xSWAo8B9M92hPmqp48gzqzQ4U73wYxAR1Vj1iJSkgLmg2h2yZ4Fvt3QokoCWy6l)
This has been a weak year for Toonami. No real new shows, just new seasons of previous series (including the FLCL shows here), and the block seems to be running on autopilot harder than ever. It's pretty lame.
Yeah, the lack of anything big combined with DeMarco being such a douche on Twitter (I saw him shitting on Matthew Vaughn today, and dude, you're a TV producer on social media. No wonder you lose shows like Demon Slayer if you're burning bridges like this), I'm just apathetic to Toonami in its current state.
Demon Slayer is back and they got season 2! (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=704119551815682)
Lycoris Recoil joins January 20. (https://twitter.com/CNschedules/status/1725662910687387769)
Well, I certainly didn't expect an announcement two months in advance. That's unusual for the block nowadays.
So what's the deal with this? Is it good?
Easily the best pick up they've had in years.
The Attack on Titan finale airs January 6. (https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2023-12-08/toonami-airs-attack-on-titan-the-final-chapters-part-2-anime-on-january-6/.205298)
Ninja Kamui premieres February 10. (https://twitter.com/adultswim/status/1747665125048242663)
Ninja Kamui will air both dub AND sub.
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1166622699280400404/1198043885478354954/420613804_757880499772920_7781136797013669466_n.jpg)
Weird move, but OK. Kind of interested to see if this opens any floodgates.
Sigh...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGKudAuWQAE4JrD.jpg)
I was almost gaining back hope for the block too.
On the one hand, it's just a repeat slot, replacing IGPX. On the other, I doubt they got Kai for super cheap, so it could theoretically also replace Naruto, which would be lame.
Just do double One Piece. Or hell, bring back Bebop. I think most Toonami viewers would rather watch that again.
Zom 100 joins Toonami on March 30. (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=790090849885218&set=a.619798366914468&type=3&ref=embed_post)
Toonami will air a DBZ Kai marathon this Saturday (2-6AM) as a tribute to Akira Toriyama.
Zom 100 is another show I'm not familiar with but willing to give a shot. Frankly, I think it's cool that Toonami isn't just trying to shill out for the big Jump titles anymore. I'd rather they get something a little more obscure than try mediocre shows like Jujutsu Kaisen or Spy x Family.
I'm also enjoying this trend of picking up popular non-shounen anime. And with how surprisingly fun Ninja Kamui is I've actually been paying attention and watching the shows on the block for the first time in ages. Not sure how long this'll last, but I'll savor it.
Ninja Kamui is a pretty basic violent revenge story, but it's fun and better made than any of their other originals, so it gets a thumbs up from me for now too.
Macross is coming to Disney+ (https://twitter.com/MangaMoguraRE/status/1769640449591984423)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GK-npJ2WwAAA3rN.jpg?name=orig)
Guess having 3 good shows and premieres on the block for more than a couple weeks was too much.
Ah well, it was nice while it lasted.
I'm not surprised, they're probably trying to save their money for the new season of MHA.
Ah well, I'm still enjoying Ninja Kamui and I like Lycoris aside from the odd bit of fanservice. Zom 100 is okay so far, too.
I'm fine with OP getting hour-long blocks. It'll help us get through Dressrosa faster.
Quote from: Daikun on April 12, 2024, 07:38:21 PMI'm fine with OP getting hour-long blocks. It'll help us get through Dressrosa faster.
Honestly, it's stuff like this that makes me grateful for One Pace. Even that version dragged in some parts but I legitimately cannot understand how anybody could manage to get through the unedited version in the actual broadcast release. The pacing was so bad that it actually makes original Dragon Ball Z's pacing look slick by comparson, no exaggeration. The funny thing is that when I went through it again, I do feel like Dressrosa has a genuinely great story in there with one of the series' best villains, but it really is one of the few cases where it would have probably benefited Oda to be reined in by one of his editors more. I feel like the same story could have been told and potentially worked even better with a good 20-25% of excess trimmed out of it (and I don't often feel that way about One Piece arcs).
I checked how behind the One Piece airings are with the Japanese airings, and it's almost a decade. Even doubling up and keeping it up for the long-term would mean years before they get close to each other.