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Started by Spark Of Spirit, February 20, 2015, 07:47:33 PM

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Dr. Ensatsu-ken

The first 4-5 episodes are merely solid. Good stuff, but hardly great. I feel like episodes 6 and on are where the show really takes off.

Foggle

To be honest, I thought every episode was fantastic. (Still have two left to go, though.)

Foggle

Finished it! I thought the finale could have been a bit longer, but overall it was an excellent and very satisfying show. The ending is great, easily working as both a standalone conclusion and a lead-in to a second season. I do hope they make more outside of that crossover event thing. :)

Dr. Ensatsu-ken

#78
It depends on how successful the show (and related merchandise) is. If it makes Marvel money, we'll get a sequel, though sadly we'll have to wait AT LEAST two whole years to get one, or possibly even longer.

I'm still looking forward to the other Marvel shows on Netflix. I've really liked what I've read of Ed Brubaker's run on Iron Fist, so that should be a great "fun" Marvel series (in contrast to the gritty crime drama that Daredevil is).

One thing that I'm curious about is when exactly this takes place in the MCU timeline. Obviously it has to be after Avengers, but I'm not sure where it fits in the context of Phase Two.

Also, considering that this was the most serious and noticeably darker in tone MCU production to date, it does slap me as incredibly hilarious that this somehow takes place in the same Universe in which Viking demi-gods, a talking raccoon and tree, and apparently Howard The Duck exist. :joy:

Foggle

#79
I'll be sure to do my part and pick up the BDs when they come out. :el_hail:

I'm really looking forward to both Luke Cage and AKA Jessica Jones. I don't know much about the latter character, but the MCU is long overdue for a female-led superhero story, and I'm a huge Bendis apologist (except for when it comes to X-Men, where his writing is complete garbage). I'm sure I'll enjoy Iron Fist as well, but I only really know him as Luke Cage's partner. I should check out Brubaker's run.

I'm just going to assume that Daredevil takes place between Guardians of the Galaxy and Age of Ultron due to its release date. Personally, I find the MCU to be more fun if you also include films like Blade, X-Men, and Big Hero 6 in it, but I've never been a huge stickler for comic book canon, so maybe that's just me. :lol:

Dr. Ensatsu-ken

As for no X-Men, blame Fox for that. Characters like Wolverine and Deadpool would be so awesome in the MCU.

As for Blade, I only really know it by the movies as opposed to the comics. While Daredevil shows that Marvel is willing to do something dark, Blade might be a bit too violent and graphic in nature to be associated with the more family-oriented demographic that Marvel is currently catering to.

Foggle

I do wish Deadpool was allowed appear in the MCU just so that we could see him troll the Avengers during Infinity War, but damn, Fox is really killing it right now. First Class and especially Days of Future Past were amazing, and Deadpool looks like a dream come true for me.

I think The Punisher might appear in Daredevil season 2, but yeah, Blade probably isn't going to be brought into the MCU, unfortunately.

Dr. Ensatsu-ken

Also, while I know that they aren't exactly great movies, I have a lot of nostalgic attachment to the first two Blade films, and it's hard for me to imagine who would be able to replace Wesley Snipes in that role.

And yeah, Fox is doing great with X-Men right now....because Bryan Singer came back. In the period that he was absent from the franchise, though? It almost self-destructed. Also, the Fantastic Four movie looks awful, so it feels like Fox as a studio doesn't really know what they are doing. They just happened to be lucky enough to get some talented people to save the X-Men franchise.

Foggle

I love the first two Blade films. They're not high quality entertainment by any means, but they're ridiculously awesome if all you're expecting are badass popcorn flicks.

Fant Fourstic looks terrible, I agree. That Deadpool movie is buying them a lot of credibility with me, though... I've read some of the leaked script, which they seem to be mostly adhering to, and all I can say is that it's going to be the most accurate version of the character ever seen outside the comics. I mean, I loved the Deadpool game and his appearances in stuff like Hulk Vs., but they aren't exactly good representations of him or his story.

Dr. Ensatsu-ken

Quote from: Foggle on April 19, 2015, 09:25:03 PM
I love the first two Blade films. They're not high quality entertainment by any means, but they're ridiculously awesome if all you're expecting are badass popcorn flicks.

And also the second one had Guillermo del Toro behind it, who's never not been entertaining when he makes a film, in my book, so there's that. Oh, and I distinctly remember the late, great Gene Siskel giving the original a positive review, so fuck it, I think that they are both cool movies that (mostly) hold up, and prove that R-rated Marvel films can most definitely work.

Foggle

My mom wanted me to check if there was a release date for season 2 yet, and I found this article: http://www.ew.com/article/2015/04/15/daredevil-binge-thoughts

I had to stop about halfway through because I was raging too hard. Fucking horrible.

Dr. Ensatsu-ken

Pshhh....That's nothing. You should see the hilariously over-the-top level of nit-picking that Arrow has been getting, with about half of it being complaints that they aren't shipping Ollie and Felicity, and the other half being about shit that's barely consequential to anything relating to the actual plot or character arcs going on.

Compared to that, this stuff is pretty tame, though ultimately just as stupid for the fact that it's either nit-picking or completely unfounded criticism.

Foggle

I saw one of those Arrow articles I think. Some people just live joyless existences, I guess.

Dr. Ensatsu-ken

#88
People just love to complain. No matter how good something is, you'll encounter ass-holes who have nothing better to do than to look for everything wrong with a show or movie rather than enjoying it for what it is.

Even high-profile shows like Game of Thrones or Better Call Saul aren't exempt from this. For the former you get book purists bitching about how it's different from the source matetial, or others making ridiculous claims that it's basically a porno because it has a few sex scenes every couple of episodes (it's actually pretty tame by HBO standards). Nevermind that the writing, acting, and directing are top notch. With BCS it's either complaints about it being too different from Breaking Bad or whining about how "this doesn't connect to this doesn't connect to this" while ignoring the fact that the show is still ongoing and also character-driven rather than just conveniently trying to tie every little incident together.

It makes sense to complain about AOS or Got Ham because those shows have huge, crippling flaws that make them unbearable to watch for some people. At least shows like Daredevil and Arrow are generally good to begin with. Meanwhile, I'm no longer even following those other two shows.

Spark Of Spirit

#89
I'm almost certain a re-watch will bring the early episodes up to the level of the latter ones. Now that we know the characters, it's a lot easier to understand where they're coming from and why exactly things are the way they are. Honestly, I want to re-watch it, but I want to wait a bit longer to let it settle in and watch other things first.

Maybe a season 2 that takes place a few years later is a good thing. That way Daredevil will have grown in experience and become such a threat that the Hand will have to directly engage him themselves.

As for the other Netflix Marvel shows, Jessica Jones will probably be more noir detective in execution so it should transition well between Daredevil and Iron Fist. Though at this rate I'm expecting second seasons for some of these shows. Daredevil apparently did well both critically and in watches.

If we're talking about when it takes place, I found this timeline out there:

QuoteBefore 20th Century

Thor: The Dark World (prologue)
Thor (prologue)

20th Century

Agent Carter
The Iron Ceiling (flashbacks)

Captain America: The Winter Soldier (1942 flashback)

Captain America: The First Avenger

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (season two)
The Things We Bury (HYDRA Fortress flashbacks)
Shadows (flashbacks)
The Things We Bury (The Rat flashbacks)


Agent Carter
Now is Not the End
Bridge and Tunnel
Time and Tide
The Blitzkrieg Button
The Iron Ceiling
A Sin to Err
Snafu
Valediction


Daredevil (season one)
Shadows in the Glass (flashbacks)

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (season two)
Aftershocks (1983 flashbacks)

Guardians of the Galaxy (1988 prologue)

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (season two)
The Things We Bury (1989 flashbacks)

Daredevil (season one)
Cut Man (mid-1990s flashbacks)
Into the Ring (mid-1990s flashbacks)
Cut Man (mid-1990s flashbacks)
Into the Ring (mid-1990s flashbacks)
Cut Man (mid-1990s flashbacks)
Stick (mid-1990s flashbacks)


Iron Man 3 (New Years Eve, 1999 prologue)

21st Century

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (season two)
Melinda (flashbacks)

Daredevil (season one)
In the Blood (2007 prologue)
Nelson v. Murdock (2010 flashbacks)


Iron Man

Iron Man 2

The Incredible Hulk

Thor

Captain America: The First Avenger (prologue & epilogue)

The Avengers

Iron Man 3

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (season one)
Pilot
0-8-4
The Asset
Eye-Spy
Girl in the Flower Dress
FZZT
The Hub


Thor: The Dark World

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (season one)
The Well
Repairs
The Bridge
The Magical Place
Seeds
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: The Chase
T.R.A.C.K.S.
T.A.H.I.T.I.
Yes Men
End of the Beginning


Captain America: The Winter Soldier

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (season one)
Turn, Turn, Turn
One Door Closes (flashbacks)
Providence
The Only Light in the Darkness
Nothing Personal
Ragtag
Beginning of the End


Guardians of the Galaxy

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (season two)
Shadows
Heavy is the Head
Making Friends and Influencing People
Face My Enemy
A Hen in the Wolf House
A Fractured House
The Writing on the Wall
The Things We Bury
Ye Who Enter Here
What They Become
Aftershocks
Who You Really Are
One of Us
Love in the Time of HYDRA
One Door Closes
Afterlife
Melinda
The Frenemy of My Enemy
The Dirty Half Dozen
Scars
S.O.S
I kept it only to films and TV for ease of use.

I would say DD probably takes place around the same time as Guardians.
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