Why hasn't this show had a discussion thread for it until just now....?
You're all worthless....
Anyways, I didn't grow up with the Disney Afternoon block and admittedly am unfamiliar with most of its shows, but that's irrelevant because even if I did see them all I can guarantee you that Gargoyles would be my favorite one of the shows that ever aired on that block, anyways.
This show combines great writing and story-telling with memorable characters and at times surprisingly dark undertones. It also features villains that are not only intelligent (well, most of them are) but also 3-dimensional, and that are actually fleshed out and treated as characters rather than just villains, as was typical of most actions cartoons for kids at the time. To me, personally, this is the only show that has ever managed to surpass the standards set by BTAS to date (IMO, obviously). The only segment of the show that I'm not too fond of is some of the post-Avalon stuff, but even in that case its because it was dragged out, and most of the individual episodes themselves are still good episodes.
Anyways, discuss this series if it interests you.
For the record, I'd just like to say that for all of the main protagonists of the story excluding Goliath, my favorite has always been Brooklyn. I always felt that he was a good combination between being a comic relief and also being a competent member of the group (past that one episode where he stupidly trusted Demona to put a spell on Goliath, but at least he seemed to have learned from his idiotic mistake in that episode, and that definitely counts for something) who was quite useful in situations that called for it. I always felt that he was the type of character who would make a good 2nd in command even before Goliath actually made him the 2nd in command.
I'm also quite fond of Hudson (I'm a sucker for all of those "old-timer" characters in just about any work of fiction), and I do like how he sometimes can be seen as acting as Mentor of sorts to Goliath, even though Goliath is the leader of the group (but it makes sense, seeing as how Hudson used to be the leader in their past), but for some reason he never stuck out to me quite as much as Brooklyn.
QuoteWhy hasn't this show had a discussion thread for it until just now....?
Because we planned for you to start it.
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The cast is so strong in terms of characteristics. Hudson might be my favorite member of the clan besides Goliath, since he usually had a good balance of heart, humor, and intelligence towards him that helped to even out the show during it's best moments, but I could go on all day about each of the characters.
Out of the villains, Demona is in a class all by herself. She's vicious, but still has remnants of a heart. She is relatable, but at time her actions are unjustifiable. Her history is tragic, but she doesn't lose an ounce of power or respect from me throughout. If I had to pick one favorite character, it might be her.
I found Xanatos to be my favorite of the villains, even though he wasn't even really a villain by the end of the series, and in fact helped out the Gargoyles on several occasions. He was very much a villain who used his intellect over brute strength, and that's something that I really liked about him.
Demona is a great villain as well, and easily deserves to go on any list of top 10 animated villain, though I do have to say that it gets a bit grating sometimes to see how 1-dimensional her view of humans and those who befriend and support some of them (basically Goliath and the rest of his remaining clan) is throughout the entire series. Actually, its only grating because there are several episodes where she does seemingly gain just a little bit more understanding that the other side isn't really what she forced herself to believe it is (as in, not all humans are evil like she wants to believe), but then she regresses back to her old self and goes on about how humans are the scum of the Earth. I would have preferred to see some more consistent development in her feelings towards humans and Goliath and his clan. That doesn't meant that she needed to become a good guy at the end (on the contrary, I'm glad that she remained a villain), but it would have made for some interesting character development if she started to realize that she may have been wrong about many of her previous notions (but the show does hint that deep down she might kind of realize that, to its credit).
Still, don't take what I said the wrong way. Aside from that minor gripe of mine, she is an excellently crafted villain.
I think by the end she does lighten up to the clan a little, or at least gathers up some emotions after discovering that Angela exists.
The thing with Demona is that she is just very hotheaded, and always has been. So much so that she won't stop doing things like that. She does have reasons to hate humans, but she takes her hatred out of proportion more often than not. I also think she still has and always will have feelings for Goliath, and seeing him with another woman will get to her in ways that nothing can. Elisa to me seems to be the template for all she hates in human beings, even if she herself is a very well-kept one, and is why Demona committed a lot of her actions in the show.
I've been rewatching the series via the DVDs (Fuck, I want the last volume!) and have been enjoying every minute, of course. It's hard to believe a series like this was made, (since animation fans have been wanting original action series for years to no avail) and even harder to believe that it lasted so long at such a high quality. The series gets away with a lot of stuff we don't see nowadays, and is very good at what it does without going overboard. People can die, but it's usually done quite tastefully. Well, King Duncan's brutal death when he bursts into flames and disintegrates as he plummets down a cliff. Hardcore, yet still awesome.
Revelations is so far my favorite episode. I know the series jumps from all kinds of genres, noir, sci-fi, historical, mystic, action, adventure, drama, but I always enjoy the Matt Bluestone episodes the most. The character is a blast, and his noir-ish episodes are always the most fun for me. I especially love the ending of the episode where Mace Malone literally goes insane.
I like that the scope of the world never feels too limited or insular, there's always more to explore and more to see, and yet at the same time we learn more about the characters we have already met and the stories we thought we already knew at the same time.
Truly great show. :thumbup:
Yeah, Gargoyles is anything that anyone could possibly want out of an original action show, and I think its a nice refreshment to go back to, since while I do love BTAS and all of the other great superhero/comic book cartoons that have spawned since then, I also love a good show that doesn't have any source material that its based off of, or rather it is its own source material.
I think this show really nailed down the characters, which is what helps carry it for its fairly long run. It sure got away with a lot of things that even cartoons of its time wouldn't normally be able to get away with, but that all would have been moot if it weren't handled with great care and writing, and thankfully Gargoyles had some of the best writers around, and with Greg Weisman overseeing the story it was pretty much destined for success. My only problem is that there haven't been all that many great original action cartoons since then (at least not too many that I'm aware of). I really wish there were more series in this vein.
As for my favorite side character, while Matt Bluestone was all kinds of awesome, I'm going to have to say that MacBeth was my favorite recurring character, and while you might count him as more of a villain than a side-character, he has been shown to be more on his own side than aligned with either good guys or bad guys, for the most part, and you can see from his past in the City of Stone arc that he's actually quite a good-natured person at heart, but just got royally fucked over in his life. At any rate, I count him as a side character. I've also mostly liked Talon. He was annoying at first when he was initially tricked into being a bad guy after being turned into a Gargoyle-hybrid like creature, but after that he was a pretty solid side-character, IMO.
In elementary school, we were actually doing MacBeth around the time the show came on. That actually got us all even more psyched to do it because we thought more people would want to see the play, and they did.
I also got a kick out of him using the alias Lennox MacDuff because I played Lennox. :D
But yeah, great character. I forgot that the Weird Sisters used him and Demona after City Of Stone and while rewatching the episode I was utterly confused as to why he was there at all. Of course there was a reason for it. There's always a good reason in Gargoyles.
Gargoyles is one of my favorite animated shows, I didn't get to watch it until just a few years ago, so I don't have any nostalgic childhood memories of it. Perhaps, it's for the best since nostalgia can be deceptive, but I digress. Anyway, this show excels in every regard, mostly when it comes to characterization and writing. The characters are complex and involving and the writing is intelligent. Not much more I can say about Gargoyles that haven't already been said by others and much better. Oh, yes, anyone else finds it ironic that Demona who hates humans and everything they stand for seem to have adapted to the human world better than the other gargoyles?
Yeah, the World Tour takes too long.
There are a lot of great episodes and moments in them, but it simply takes too long for them to get back to Manhattan.
Yeah, I REALLY, REALLY feel that those episodes kind of hold the series back a bit. There are some great ones within them, but on the whole they are much weaker episodes than what fans had already come to expect from Gargoyles by that point in time. Whenever I re-watch the series, I always skip those episodes, as even individually they aren't very strong stories for the most part, except for that one dealing with that guy trying to resurrect his dead son, that one was really good and I'll occasionally re-watch it.
If you took those episodes out of the picture, then I'd actually say that season 2 would be as close to perfect as you can get for an action cartoon (or any show for that matter). Thankfully the show really makes up for the post-Avalon/World Tour arc with a wonderfully brilliant finale.
It's about 20 episodes long, which is about 10 too long IMO.
There are some great ones, such as MIA where Goliath rescues Griff in World War II, but most of them are very episodic in that they don't really add much to the overall picture except to expand the world. It's great that they wanted to expand the world, but it doesn't always make for great storytelling.
Quote from: Pharass on June 04, 2011, 06:31:38 PM
Oh, yes, anyone else finds it ironic that Demona who hates humans and everything they stand for seem to have adapted to the human world better than the other gargoyles?
Yeah, I always found that to be one of the most intriguing aspects of her character. I also loved the irony of her getting cursed by Puck (I'd say who he really is but I don't want to spoil it for Desensitized if he doesn't remember that part yet by any chance) to take the form of a human by daylight as a consequence of not turning to stone during those hours. It must be insanely hard to stomach actually physically turning into what you despise, even if its only for half of your life rather than completely for the rest of your life.
Quote from: Desensitized on June 14, 2011, 08:21:21 PM
It's about 20 episodes long, which is about 10 too long IMO.
There are some great ones, such as MIA where Goliath rescues Griff in World War II, but most of them are very episodic in that they don't really add much to the overall picture except to expand the world. It's great that they wanted to expand the world, but it doesn't always make for great storytelling.
Yeah, it drags on far too long. The episodes that actually had some effect on the show's continuity tended to be the best. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to down-rate the value of good episodic story-telling, but to be honest that was never Gargoyles's particular specialty. It was always best at telling an intertwined story with a heavy sense of continuity and character development, and building on that story and those characters. The episodic pieces usually just felt far too out of place in this series, IMO.
I have to admit: I've never watched Gargoyles. I knew it was there when I was growing up but for some reason I never really felt the desire to watch it. I'm really not sure why, maybe it's because I tended to watch the more comedy oriented shows when I was younger. Maybe it's time I check into this series so I can see what all the hubbub was about.
Gargoyles was the show that I knew was great but never got a chance to really get into. I think it was either because I ignored Disney or it came on too early.
Similar to the Critic's B:TAS list, GregX made his own Top 11 for Gargoyles. (http://gregxb.blogspot.com/2011/08/top-11-gargoyles-episodes.html)
I really like it, myself. It's fairly similar to how I'd make my own, in fact. Especially the top choice.
I can't argue with any of them, Gargoyles was consistently awesome outside of the overly long World Tour.
But my favorite episode is Revelations, which isn't a particularly stand out episode and is far smaller in scale focusing on basically three characters, yet I enjoy it immensely. It's probably the focus on an aspect of the world we don't see much of, and features one of my favorite characters (Bluestone) in a very unique setting for the universe.
It's probably not the "best" episode, but yeah, it's my favorite.
Great list, IMO. "City of Stone" is such a fantastic episode, and totally deserving of the top slot.
You know, after reading that, I suddenly feel tempted to watch this right now. I'd say it's high time to break out those DVD's again...
Its a superbly-written list and I pretty much agree with all of his choices. I also agree (personally) that no other children's cartoon has even come close to touching what City of Stone did, not just in terms of being dark or deep but also in terms of really fleshing out and characterizing the villains and showing their actual development into what we came to know them as for most of the series. Seeing how Macbeth was once a noble king and Demona actually got along with a human at one point in her past (even though it was for her own personal reasons, as she still detested them) really put both of those characters in a different perspective. Its also amazing how this was all clearly planned out from the beginning, as the series dropped hints to their past relationship from as early on as season 1 during Macbeth's first appearance in an episode.
I'd do my own top 11/10 Gargoyles list, but it'd be redundant when compared to this list, since I'd have most of the same choices and probably even have a lot in the same spots.
So, according to James Harvey in this thread on TZ (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showthread.php?288327-New-Gargoyles-DVDs-coming-in-2012-(Update-Confirmed)&p=3926364#post3926364), Disney has "tentative plans" to release the rest of the series on DVD.
Thoughts?
Sounds great to me.
Gargoyles is my favourite animated series hands down. Greg Weisman is a god damn genius! I was extremely disappointed with the third season "Gargoyles: The Goliath Chronicles" though. Weisman only wrote the first episode and as expected it only goes downhill from there. So you can imagine how excited I was when I found out that the true creator of Gargoyles was continuing the series in comic book form, starting from where the second season finale left off. But it was too good to be true. Disney raised their licensing fees so Slave Labour Graphics had to can the series after about 18 issues or so. I like to think Disney did this on purpose because they were jealous of how great the series was doing compared to their version of the Gargoyles story post season 2 finale.
Many of you know how I feel about this show at this point, but thanks for the compliments on my list.
Now, to reply to some of what was said about Demona on the first page of this thread. It's not that she doesn't understand humans, she definitely does. Her hatred for them is fueled by a guilt complex larger than Peter Parker's. Except instead of internalizing that guilt, she spreads it and projects it on everybody else. She needs to keep hating the humans and rationalizing away her own failings because if she doesn't, that means she admits her culpability in the massacre of her clan. She can't do that, she won't do that... but she knows, she won't admit it to herself, but she knows. This is one of the big reasons I want "Gargoyles 2198" to get produced, because there we will finally see her have her epiphany.
Well, I got hilariously bored and decided to see what my idea of a cast would look like for a Gargoyles movie.
Elisa Maza - Freema Agyeman
David Xanatos - Tom Hardy
Owen Burnett - Andrew Scott
Demona - Lara Pulver
Goliath - Chiwetel Ejiofor
Hudson - Derek Jacobi
Broadway - Robert Sheehan
Brooklyn - Jack O'Connell
Lexington - Thomas Sangster
Personally, I'd try to bring back as much of the voice cast for the gargoyles as possible. I don't see why not.
Quote from: Avaitor on September 28, 2012, 11:24:02 PM
Personally, I'd try to bring back as much of the voice cast for the gargoyles as possible. I don't see why not.
I don't know. As much as I want to go for faithfulness, there's also a bit of national accuracy to consider. And since Frakes is too old to convincingly play a live-action Xanatos, it'd be odd to have some reprise their roles and for others not to.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on September 28, 2012, 11:26:44 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on September 28, 2012, 11:24:02 PM
Personally, I'd try to bring back as much of the voice cast for the gargoyles as possible. I don't see why not.
I don't know. As much as I want to go for faithfulness, there's also a bit of national accuracy to consider. And since Frakes is too old to convincingly play a live-action Xanatos, it'd be odd to have some reprise their roles and for others not to.
Well that's why I said the gargoyles. Xanatos and Eliza will obviously need to be actually casted.
But I guess you might be right.
I mean, Ed Asner's been getting on in years, and Thom Adcox can no longer sound young if his Klarion performance is anything to go by. If it counts, I'd have Frank Welker reprise Bronx.
...now, I'm waiting for who Greg would pick for his cast.
I legitimately brought up Gargoyles when the teacher was talking about Othello during novel analysis class. Mostly since all I know about Othello comes from the show.
That reminds me...
Othello - Idris Elba
Desdemona - Adjoa Andoh
Iago - Craig Parkinson
Funny you bump this. Apparently starting tonight, Gargoyles will be gone from Disney XD's late-night lineup, so I decided to record it for possibly the last time last night. The episode that was on was "Sentinel", which I haven't seen in a long time.
It's a good one though. Amnesiac storylines never really impress me (I hated Al's ar for that in FMA, for one), but since this is a Weisman show, it turned out more interesting than most, and still had some decent material for Goliath and Elisa to manage, and had s solid villain for them to overcome. But like most of the Avalon arc, I miss the rest of the group, since it was only those 2, Angela and Bronx.
Okay, so Disney's site put every episode up to watch, more or less. Think this is a good thing? Think again. According to a representative of a big community whose goal is to have Disney release or finish releasing most of its work, including the Disney Afternoon, the executives who put the show up think that this is "good enough" for those who want the rest of the show on DVD, and are even more likely to not finish releasing it.
I've written to Disney before, but I will send another e-mail, in hopes of persuading them to not let this affect their release schedule. Beforehand, there were tentative plans to put the rest of the show on DVD. This could cancel them.
Looks like I need to make another phone call.
Well, looks like it's Miller Time. Inspired by a convo Greg and I had the other day, I'd like to introduce to you, All-Star Gargoyles. incestual
If Frank Miller was to work on Gargoyles, this is what would happen:
- Eliza would be a lesbian, because how dare a strong female character who doesn't fawn over every male she sees exist!
- Well, she would be a lesbian, until Xanatos rapes her, and is vindicated for doing so.
- Goliath will have a death toll on his hands bigger than Wolverine and the Punisher's combined, with most of his casualties consisting of cops rather than his actual enemies.
- Hudson will have a crush for Goliath which is so creepy and borderline that would make Chris Hensen blush.
- Lexington would be written as such a blatant stereotype that even Chris Colfer would be offended.
- Demona will wear considerably skimpier outfits, and go around New York in them like it's nothing.
- Early on, Bronx would be tortured and decapitated by Demona, just cause.
- Owen will have a Jekyll-Hyde complex with Puck, and will constantly change into one disguise or the other at any random moment.
- Macbeth becomes a total dumbass, almost like Cobra Commander in 80's Joe.
- Lady Macbeth will also be added into the story, just so she, Macbeth and Demona can have a menage a trois, and will kill herself shortly after.
- Remember how early on in the show, you'd see the clan adapt to and remark upon modern conveniences? Expect stuff like this every episode/issue, with frequent monologues by Goliath.
I think that's a good starter.
Alan Moore's Gargoyles-a-go-go.
- Xanatos would make random remarks about how modern culture sucks and that his world is more barbaric than Goliath's.
- Goliath rapes Eliza, and Eliza forgives him and understands why he did what he had to do.
- Demona looks like an Old One with absolutely nothing that could correspond to a human idea of personality.
- All the interesting plotlines would be shoved into a pamphlet hidden in the DVD box, because why show when you can tell?
- Entire episodes are planned to explain how Gargoyle sex works.
- Instead of Macbeth, the main Shakespearean character will be Ventidius. And 90% of his dialogue will only make sense if you read Timon of Athens.
- Most arcs will be told via pictures of 19th century liquor brands that only appear for a second.
- Broadway's revealed to be the latest in a long line of Broadways, all the way back from the Golden Age Broadway that smashed rocks into slant-eyed Oriental wizards.
- None of the story will be resolved because Alan Moore got arrested for bludgeoning a Disney exec.
If Gargoyles were an 80's Toon.
- Goliath and his clan would never have evacuated the castle. And Xanatos never returns to the Eyrie after his initial defeat, instead relocating to a secret underground lair of evil, with all dark colors and robot servants and a skull motif.
- Elisa Maza would have been a man. She?d have probably been Matt Bluestone, actually (though not named Bluestone, because that's too Jewish). But if she did exist as a woman, she would be the perpetual damsel in distress, and probably a reporter instead of a cop. And she would be white.
- Goliath would have no character flaws, whatsoever.
- New gargoyles would appear, as members of Goliath?s clan, out of no where.
- Angela would have worn pink. Hell, Angela would have BEEN pink! And she wouldn?t have been Goliath?s daughter because that would imply sex happened.
- Lexington would be such a savant, he could build space ships, time machines, dimensional gateways, and anything.
- Brooklyn would talk like Michelangelo in the 80?s Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. He?d also be Angela?s love interest.
- Broadway would be, well, do I need to tell you what kind of stereotype he?d be?
- Bronx might have been able to speak, or at least, make noises that would sound halfway between speech and a gargoyle beast?s growls.
- Xanatos would have been a straight up criminal ?mastermind? who?s plans never worked. The Pack would have been his incompetent henchmen. Owen wouldn?t exist. Demona and Sevarius would be his two more competent, but still unsuccessful henchmen. He would also frequently throw temper tantrums while taking Demona?s and Sevarius?s ideas and claiming them as his own.
- Demona would not be Goliath?s ex-mate (because that would mean they once had sex). She?d either be Goliath?s former friend, former rival, or rival sister. I imagine she?d serve as Xanatos?s Starscream? with a matching track record.
- Sevarius as a mad scientist would be an expert in EVERYTHING.
- The major plot line would have involved Xanatos wanting to gather together the three great talismans so he could rule the world. This would never get resolved.
- Xanatos would wear a mask and you?d never see his face. Probably a cape, too. Also, you?d never hear the name ?David.? He would just be ?Xanatos.?
- Alex Xanatos would never exist. Once again, that would imply that sex once happened.
- Thailog would exist and remain loyal to Xanatos. Or he would exist for one episode and one episode only and we would have a ?Who is the real Goliath? contest where our heroes can?t tell the difference between the Goliath they know and the one who doesn?t know anyone?s name or his way around the castle.
- The motorcycle and helicopter would have been in every episode.
- At some point, Goliath, Hudson and Brooklyn would have gained elemental control over fire, water, and ice respectively.
- William Shakespeare? Who is that? Some English fart? He doesn?t sell toys.
- Goliath and Xanatos would join forces to battle an evil drug dealer! Because drugs are so evil, even the evil criminal masterminds think they?re bad!
- History would be mutable. In any give time travel episode, the bad guy would change history?For some reason the change would be visible in the present and the characters would notice?without explanation?Lex would build the time machine, and they?d go back in time to fix the problem.
If Gargoyles were an A-1 Pictures anime.
- Goliath now looks like a pretty, pale-skinned, teenage boy with only fangs to prove that he isn't human.
- Eliza's white with chestnut-colored hair. Also, her appearances on the show depend on how well her body pillows sell.
- Lexington is now camper than several John Waters movie taped together, with a yellow bowl haircut and the preference of being called "Rexi-kun".
- Brooklyn is now the brooding, anti-social rival that wishes to settle a score with his brother who just also happened to survive the Wyvern massacre.
- Broadway only appears for riceball jokes.
- Bronx looks like a Bulbasaur.
- Hudson is the only cool character, except he only appears for a few seconds each arc.
- Gargoyles have evolutionary forms and defined power levels.
- Demona is played by Rie Kugimiya. Her catchphrase is "Goriasu-tachi no baka!". And when the gang get her cornered after every time she tries to kill the humans, Demona blushes and just runs away in a sobbing fit.
- Xanatos is 17 years old, with a motivation that stems purely out of mommy issues.
- Owen is now Xanatos' hot stepsister that he performs forbidden love on.
- Angela becomes Navi from Legend of Zelda.
- Coldstone is now an old guru that spits out puns while ending every sentence with "-puru".
- Sevarius is involved in an arc where he tries to steal Eliza's Japanese purity away, depriving her of maiden status in the eyes of otaku all over the world.
- Fox gets D-sized breasts at the price of no dialogue.
- Pretentious choir music that sounds Latin but clearly isn't plays for every single goddamn scene.
- People ship GoliathXThailog more than they already do.
- The Clan will suddenly get an albino loli for a sidekick sometime in the middle of the first season.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on February 12, 2013, 11:02:09 PM
Alan Moore's Gargoyles-a-go-go.
Was expecting Warren Ellis. :oo:
One thing I'll say about all of these posts is that as little as YJ has done for me as a whole, I appreciate Weisman all the more for his skills.
You know how Veronica Mars was able to get a movie greenlit thanks to having a Kickstarter fund be held? Greg W posted this. (http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=1028)
Greg B and I talked about it, and we seem to agree that the most reasonable thing Weisman can aim for on Kickstarter is to raise the cash necessary to do a run of comics based off of one of his Gargoyles concepts. I don't know if I could afford to send a donation in, but I'm greatly interested in this.
So after almost a year, my friends and I are done rewatching the main DCAU shows (Batman, Batman Beyond, Superman, and Justice League). Having absolutely no desire to go back to Static Shock, we decided to leave the DCAU for now and check out Gargoyles, which I've actually never seen more than a few episodes of.
Can I have some confirmation that this will be one of the best decisions I'll ever make?
No, it's truly awful. Run while you can. /oppositeday
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on March 23, 2013, 12:15:10 PM
No, it's truly awful. Run while you can. /oppositeday
You should skip directly to Goliath Chronicles, the best part of Gargoyles.
Man, these are the best recommendations ever. I'll just skip to Goliath Chronicles, and then go back and watch Static Shock.
Don't forget The Zeta Project!
I only ever saw that one cross-over episode with Batman Beyond (not the other crossover episode that was part of the BB series, but the crossover episode that was an official episode from The Zeta Project). I then realized that I would not bother watching the rest of the show, and in general I like to pretend that it doesn't exist, or at least like to convince myself that its not part of the DCAU, even though it technically is. I mean, I'm not a fan of Static Shock, either, but at least I can accept that show's existence. The Zeta Project is just downright embarrassing, though.
Also remember to watch the all-time classics that are Mystery of the Batwoman and Braniac Attacks.
Quote from: Rynnec on March 23, 2013, 04:36:36 PM
Also remember to watch the all-time classics that are Mystery of the Batwoman and Braniac Attacks.
As well as Tyger, Tyger and Critters.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on March 23, 2013, 04:37:15 PM
As well as Tyger, Tyger and Critters.
Pppppffffttttt....Everyone with a brain knows that "I've Got Batman In My Basement" is an absolute masterpiece, and the epitome of major achievements in all of animation. :bleh:
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on March 23, 2013, 07:18:56 PM
Pppppffffttttt....Everyone with a brain knows that "I've Got Batman In My Basement" is an absolute masterpiece, and the epitome of major achievements in all of animation. :bleh:
And what of The Underdwellers?
If you dare skip "War World", you're not a DCAU fan.
While we're on the subject Justice League, I wish the writers would have kept Wonder Woman the way that she was in the 1st season. I mean, clearly the writers did a great job of representing what a female superhero should be, by having Wonder Woman constantly bitch about what pigs men are and generally having her constantly make the idiotic kinds of decisions that she made in episodes like Paradise Lost. I mean, isn't that exactly how a female superhero SHOULD be portrayed?
How dare the writers attempted to actually develop her character in future seasons, by actually going so far as to give her some dignity and implying that she could be a rational individual. Honestly, the nerve of those people. :srs:
Quote from: Avaitor on March 23, 2013, 09:11:58 PM
If you dare skip "Prophesy of Doom", you're not a DCAU fan.
Fixed.
You're not a fan of animation in general if you can't accept the fact that Super Friends is an infinitely superior show to Justice League.
Let's be real, Ultimate Spider-Man and Iron Man: Armored Adventures are the pinnacle of the super hero cartoon. Why are we talking about this DCAU crap?
Quote from: Avaitor on March 23, 2013, 09:27:46 PM
Let's be real, Ultimate Spider-Man and Iron Man: Armored Adventures are the pinnacle of the super hero cartoon. Why are we talking about this DCAU crap?
Those are close to the best ones, but we all know that the crown achievement in superhero cartoons is Avengers: United They Stand.
Guys, none of those shows are nearly as good as Batman: The Animated Series.
/missing the point
Quote from: talonmalon333 on March 23, 2013, 09:45:35 PM
Guys, none of those shows are nearly as good as Batman: The Animated Series.
/missing the point
Wait, shows? No show is better than the Voynich Manuscript.
James Harvey got this e-mail.
QuoteThank you for taking the time to contact us regarding the Gargoyles series. We value your interest in Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment.
Great news! Gargoyles: Season 2, Volume 2 will be a Disney Movie Club Exclusive title, tentatively scheduled for a June 25th, 2013 release. To find out more about this wonderful title please contact the Disney Movie Club by calling 1-888-257-9100, or by e-mail at: DMCQuestions@movieclubinfo.com and a Cast Member will be happy to assist you!
Gargoyles: Season 3 has not been released on Blu-ray or DVD. Although we do not have a tentative release date set, we would be happy to share with the rest of our team that you would like to have this available for purchase! Your feedback helps us build a better experience for all of our guests and is truly appreciated!
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Well I need to join the Disney Movie Club.
Reason #5 for me.
I'm counting each set of the Weekenders and Goof Troop as their own reason.
Someone alert GregX!
Awesome, but I'm not willing to join the Disney Movie Club just over this..., especially when every episode has been legally uploaded by Disney themselves. :sweat:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpSnlSGciSWNwph3ex9gdSe5FrAdn1p7l (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpSnlSGciSWNwph3ex9gdSe5FrAdn1p7l)
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpSnlSGciSWNaGTzYaZ0yR3Ebsg5s4yt2 (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpSnlSGciSWNaGTzYaZ0yR3Ebsg5s4yt2)
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpSnlSGciSWNQuoocmByikCus5SryRsqQ (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpSnlSGciSWNQuoocmByikCus5SryRsqQ)
Quote from: Foggle on May 29, 2013, 03:05:35 PM
Someone alert GregX!
Oh I'm pretty sure he already knows. ;) Though if he doesn't, I don't think we can inform right now since he's moving.
Quote from: Cartoon X on May 29, 2013, 04:11:14 PM
Awesome, but I'm not willing to join the Disney Movie Club just over this..., especially when every episode has been legally uploaded by Disney themselves. :sweat:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpSnlSGciSWNwph3ex9gdSe5FrAdn1p7l (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpSnlSGciSWNwph3ex9gdSe5FrAdn1p7l)
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpSnlSGciSWNaGTzYaZ0yR3Ebsg5s4yt2 (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpSnlSGciSWNaGTzYaZ0yR3Ebsg5s4yt2)
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpSnlSGciSWNQuoocmByikCus5SryRsqQ (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpSnlSGciSWNQuoocmByikCus5SryRsqQ)
Not a Weekenders fan?
And I dunno man, just because Disney has them online now, doesn't mean that they'll always be up. The reason I'll always be pro-physical copies is that once you get one, you own it forever. You can't trust online services, even iTunes, forever.
I like The Weekenders quite a bit, but not quite enough for me to buy the dvds. If I'd only rarely watch them then there isn't much of a point in getting them. It's true, though, that the Gargoyles episodes might not always be up online. I'll look into getting a Disney Movie Club membership, but I just don't want to get one based solely on acquiring dvds for just one series I really enjoy.
Well other option is to wait for the set to be sold on eBay or be a prize on Disney Movie Rewards. The latter may take a while, and you may not find a very cheap copy on eBay, but if you're strongly against the DMC policies, never count those out.
So on the same day, I move into a new house... that I own; Michelle Bachmann announces her withdrawl from politics; and best of all... Jonny Modlin will shut up.
Yeah. Good day.
Wait you're already completely moved in? Sweet, more Tarentino Month! :shakeshakeshake: :shakeshakeshake:
Quote from: Peanutbutter on May 30, 2013, 12:55:32 AM
Wait you're already completely moved in? Sweet, more Tarentino Month! :shakeshakeshake: :shakeshakeshake:
Throwing out some trash in the old place tonight, need to settle in more, and then I'll resume.
Already working on getting this DVD set, too.
Ah, okay. Still, can't wait until you can get back to it. I've watched some of Tarantino's movies but have wanted to check out some of his other stuff a while. In fact, there's a lot of good movies from the 80s and 90s I need to finally see.
For those of you who don't want to join the Disney Movie Club, the Buena Vista Catalogue Company has an ebay page called the Disney Movie Shop. I and others called the 888 number listed, and it is run by Disney... and this time, all you need is an ebay and PayPal account. I ordered my copies the other day, and I expect I'll have it by Saturday or Monday.
http://stores.ebay.com/Disney-Movie-Shop
I haven't received mine yet, but friends of mine have and they've confirmed that these are the original broadcast versions... uncut and uncensored.
Kinky.
Quote from: GregX on July 05, 2013, 02:00:29 PM
For those of you who don't want to join the Disney Movie Club, the Buena Vista Catalogue Company has an ebay page called the Disney Movie Shop. I and others called the 888 number listed, and it is run by Disney... and this time, all you need is an ebay and PayPal account. I ordered my copies the other day, and I expect I'll have it by Saturday or Monday.
http://stores.ebay.com/Disney-Movie-Shop
I haven't received mine yet, but friends of mine have and they've confirmed that these are the original broadcast versions... uncut and uncensored.
If we DO do this through the Disney Movie Club though, would it also have it uncut?
Season 2 Volume 2 is uncut.
Lighthammer won't be happy when he sees the latest Ask Greg.
Quote from: Peanutbutter on July 12, 2013, 07:06:19 AM
Lighthammer won't be happy when he sees the latest Ask Greg.
Heh, must have missed this. What happened?
On another note, it's now available to the general public via the Disney store
http://www.disneystore.com/gargoyles-season-2-volume-2-3-disc-dvd-set/mp/1341274/1000316/
Quote from: GregX on August 27, 2013, 09:09:07 PM
On another note, it's now available to the general public via the Disney store
http://www.disneystore.com/gargoyles-season-2-volume-2-3-disc-dvd-set/mp/1341274/1000316/
:swoon:
And for only $20 per volume, with 26 episodes per volume? That's too good to be true....
QuoteThis item cannot be shipped internationally or outside the contiguous United States
:cry:
Quote from: GregX on August 27, 2013, 09:09:07 PM
Quote from: Peanutbutter on July 12, 2013, 07:06:19 AM
Lighthammer won't be happy when he sees the latest Ask Greg.
Heh, must have missed this. What happened?
On another note, it's now available to the general public via the Disney store
http://www.disneystore.com/gargoyles-season-2-volume-2-3-disc-dvd-set/mp/1341274/1000316/
Dang, I've almost forgotten the details. I believe Greg indicated that he had been reading some of the message boards, and I think he called out Lighthammer saying how Greg was being rude because of.....DAH! I DID FORGET :cry:
I'll have to back through the Young Justice thread, I'm pretty sure it had to do with that.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on August 27, 2013, 10:47:18 PM
QuoteThis item cannot be shipped internationally or outside the contiguous United States
:cry:
The weird thing is that while you can't order the Gargoyles set out of the US, you can with TaleSpin, which was also put up on the site.
Quote from: Peanutbutter on August 28, 2013, 01:38:02 PM
Quote from: GregX on August 27, 2013, 09:09:07 PM
Quote from: Peanutbutter on July 12, 2013, 07:06:19 AM
Lighthammer won't be happy when he sees the latest Ask Greg.
Heh, must have missed this. What happened?
On another note, it's now available to the general public via the Disney store
http://www.disneystore.com/gargoyles-season-2-volume-2-3-disc-dvd-set/mp/1341274/1000316/
Dang, I've almost forgotten the details. I believe Greg indicated that he had been reading some of the message boards, and I think he called out Lighthammer saying how Greg was being rude because of.....DAH! I DID FORGET :cry:
I'll have to back through the Young Justice thread, I'm pretty sure it had to do with that.
Oh, so that's what Greg was talking about about. I checked the ToonZone thread and saw Lighthammer's rant... and Lighthammer being smug and feeling like he accomplished something after the fact. Wow... Greg said Lighthammer was "bitching", okay Light... if you like that.
I FINALLY got season 2, volume 1! WalMart has it for $10, so I couldn't say no.
I still don't have season 1 or obviously 2 V2 yet, though. But according to a pic Greg B tweeted, you can probably find 1 at other WalMarts, so I'll keep an eye out for it.
The AV Club is covering Gargoyles now. (http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/gargoyles-awakening-parts-1-3-207154)
I really want this to get enough viewers to catch on for the whole run, so hopefully we can remember to read them and talk about the episodes here. This takes on the first 3 parts of "Awakening".
And speaking of retail. (http://tvshowsondvd.com/n/20154)
Wow! Awesome!
I already own it, but so cool to see it getting released into stores. If they include a better cover, I might buy it again. But my copy has been signed by Marina Sirtis, Greg Weisman, Greg Guler, and Frank Paur. So the new cover isn't quite as much an incentive for me.
(https://33.media.tumblr.com/4926d934cca178bbe55290a3bd003f1b/tumblr_ndr8x9eLH31r6se0bo1_500.jpg)
Awesome!
Too bad it took so long to complete. Good job!
I still haven't had the opportunity to head to Walmart.
I think this cover is way better than the DMC's release, but I'm not crazy about how all of the discs are stacked together in one holding place. Still, I'm happy to have the whole series, and I'm planning to go through a rewatch very soon.
Cool!
I'll need to hit up this collection for myself later on at some point in time.
I'm on the fifth part of "Awakening", and I don't think that you guys need to be reminded of how strong it is.
One of my favorite scenes from the whole arc has to be the reveal of Demona's name, which is just wow.
Happy Twentieth Anniversary, Gargoyles!
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10386289_10152828154038615_5990431503292294145_n.jpg?oh=d1b5b8c6f775f52160949e5d87449a55&oe=54B5CB30&__gda__=1424997967_9730023f4e9da7114ee8c72fca86b76c)
Oh, dang!
I celebrated it well by introducing a friend who's never seen it before by watching "Vows". We're talking about watching the whole thing together now, so I'll pause my own rewatch of it so we can plan a schedule.
I knew I was forgetting something. Anyways, happy 20th Anniversary to the greatest cartoon ever made for television or otherwise!
It still holds up just as well today as it did 20 years ago.
Guess I got my DVD set just in time. I'll have to sit down and watch the whole series again sometime soon.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on October 24, 2014, 08:19:14 PM
Guess I got my DVD set just in time. I'll have to sit down and watch the whole series again sometime soon.
I haven't done that in ages, believe it or not. I'll have to before the end of the year.
My friend and I are trying to find the right date to go through it all.
Oh, but at the D23 Fanniversary event that I went to yesterday, they mentioned Gargoyles' 20th anniversary with footage of the intro being played, along with some early sketches of Goliath and Hudson. It got a crazy big ovation from the audience.
Favorite World Tour episodes:
1. Shadows of the Past
2. M.I.A.
3. Grief
4. Ill Met By Moonlight
5. Sanctuary
6. Golem
7. Future Tense
8. The New Olympians
9. Bushido
10. Walkabout
Honestly, I like a few of the others, but a bunch of them are fairly bland and by the numbers. The Banshee and Odin episodes are cool, though. Not the best part of the series, but there's a lot of great stuff there.
The World Tour story-line was easily the weakest part of the series for me, but there were still some gems in there. It did also help to introduce some great new characters.
I think it would have helped if there were episodes showing what was happening back in New York while they were gone. There were only about three episodes, if I'm not mistaken. (That's why I didn't include them, they're not World Tour episodes)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdrKCYYUQAAVku4.jpg)
I dare you to @GregX that on Twitter! :sly:
Quote from: Peanutbutter on May 21, 2018, 02:14:07 PM
I dare you to @GregX that on Twitter! :sly:
I'm actually a little disappointed that nobody did.
I like this one better.
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/776ef3d97e9fcd724cce1f186dd3063e/tumblr_p95276NLU81qdoqylo1_540.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/n8wvaj9.jpg)
Well, this is interesting. (http://www.slashfilm.com/jordan-peele-gargoyles-movie)
Unfortunately, from that article it doesn't sound like Disney is interested.
No, I'm sure someone at Disney is considering his proposal. The company's not stupid enough to turn down the guy who made a $250 million profit from a $4.5 million movie. Peele has pull, and to let him pass by and get in the hands of another studio would be foolish.
I wish I could say you have a point, but this is Hollywood we're talking about. And even Disney has made the wrong call in the past.
Even if he doesn't get the Gargoyles movie he wants, Disney might find something for Peele to do.
I do worry about him spreading himself thin and biting off more than he can chew like del Toro, and/or Get Out being a fluke, but for now I want to give him the benefit of the doubt.
QuoteGet Out being a fluke,
Yeah, it will suck if he turns out to be another Blomkamp.
Quote from: Avaitor on June 15, 2018, 02:56:46 PMEven if he doesn't get the Gargoyles movie he wants, Disney might find something for Peele to do.
I do worry about him spreading himself thin and biting off more than he can chew like del Toro, and/or Get Out being a fluke, but for now I want to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I understand if you're not a fan of the guy, and his quality definitely varies, but the diversity of the things that he tries is what I find to be most endearing about Guillermo del Toro, even if it results in a lot of cancelled projects. He's made more than one good movie, critically speaking. I personally love Pan's Labyrinth, Blade II, both Hellboy movies, and Pacific Rim myself. The Shape of Water is a tad overrated in my book, but even that at least proves that he can still endear film critics when he wants to. I kind if like his variety in being able to do smaller but more ambitious and artistic films while bringing the same level of care and passion to his Blockbusters. And let's not forget that his brief foray into trying to develop a game concept with Kojima brought us the incredibky memorable PT. Without him, Kojima gives us something as boring-looking as Death Stranding instead, at least conceptually speaking.
In general it's refreshing to see a director who always tries different things and doesn't smugly discriminate against any kind of popular genres in the industry. I mean, compare that with his friend and colleague Innaritu. He's talented on a technical level but is also so ridiculously narrow-minded and self-indulgent in his filmmaking and attitude towards certain kinds of cinema (you all know what I'm talking about) that it's a real turn-off for me. And for every film of his that I can at least appreciate like Birdman, he has something as mind-numbingly boring to match it like The Revnant (I literally struggled to stay awake through that movie).
As for Blomkamp, he seems to be a pretty textbook example of a director who made one successful film (whether it's even any good or not is questionable), and let it go to his head. Definitely a style over substance director in that regard.
As for Peele, it's too early to tell whether he'll have any staying power or not.
While Peele's staying power hasn't been cemented yet, I still think it would be odd for Disney to ignore him. They did recruit Lin-Manuel Miranda, Ava DuVernay, and Ryan Coogler after they all made their big hits, so I can't imagine them breaking that trend for Peele.
Well, when I was talking about del Toro running himself thin, I meant more of his tendency to attach himself to twenty different things and for only like, three of them to be made, rather than my own personal opinions on his filmmaking.
Right now Peele has at least one movie committed for next year, and it sounds like he has ideas for a couple more, plus his Lovecraft-inspired series, and he's also attached to a new Twilight Zone and possibly also the Akira film. Not to mention reuniting with Key for Henry Selick's new movie. I think it would be fair to worry that his plate is getting too full.
tbh, I feel like Disney is keeping the Gargoyles movie on the backburner for now so they can try to convince Peele to do a Marvel, Star Wars, or live-action remake. If they can't find anything else for him to agree to, then it might happen. I'd be very surprised if they don't want to work with him, but I can understand Disney's ambivalence to reviving Gargoyles. Or actually maybe not, if DuckTales' cross-generational appeal is any indication.
Here's an article where I talk out of my ass about an episode of Gargoyles. (http://animationrevelation.com/readables/?p=6963)
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on December 28, 2018, 04:27:49 AM
Here's an article where I talk out of my ass about an episode of Gargoyles. (http://animationrevelation.com/readables/?p=6963)
Not a favorite. Good article, though. Good discussion topics...
My friend, Jennifer, and I are launching a new Gargoyles podcast in a couple of months: Voices From the Eyrie. We have two episodes recorded but I want a buffer of four before we go. It's a combination of a fan discussion podcast and an insider podcast. Greg Weisman is going to be a very regular feature on the show... we've also had on character designer, Greg Guler, and co-producer Frank Paur and I'm sure we'll have them back... plus others. The current plan is go through the show episode by episode, with some detours here and there for shows centered on specific discussion topics.
Your article is something I may cite when we get to "Bushido"... but we're a long way away from there. Years, actually.
Your new podcast sounds awesome! Really looking forward to it, especially since I've been meaning to rewatch Gargoyles for a while and your pod sounds like it'll be a great deep-dive into it.
Quote from: LumRanmaYasha on August 13, 2021, 10:44:13 PM
Your new podcast sounds awesome! Really looking forward to it, especially since I've been meaning to rewatch Gargoyles for a while and your pod sounds like it'll be a great deep-dive into it.
I think it's going to be cool; I'm really happy with how the first two shows turned out.
Episode One: Developing the Show w/Greg Weisman and Greg Guler
Episode Two: Making the Show w/Greg Weisman and Frank Paur.
I have a guest wishlist a mile long; Zehra Fazal loaned us her voice for the podcast intro.
I'm just giddy.
That's so exciting! Can't wait to listen! :e_hail:
'Sup, GregX. Good to see you finally back. Looking forward to the podcast, hopefully sometime you can do an onscreen video with some of the crew in the future!
Quote from: Peanutbutter on August 16, 2021, 07:19:17 PM
'Sup, GregX. Good to see you finally back. Looking forward to the podcast, hopefully sometime you can do an onscreen video with some of the crew in the future!
Just audio for the time being... but who knows. Maybe down the line we'll upgrade to video.
We're launching our first episode of what will be a monthly podcast on the 24th! We already have four recorded...
... due to the time we record, we may be behind when there's news or when something happens. Our tribute to Ed Asner, for example, is at the top of the third episode.
So far "Voices From the Eyrie" is quite the success. Six episodes have been posted, our numbers keep getting better and better with every release. Jennifer is the best partner-in-crime a guy like me could ask for... but I've been saying that since years before we've had a podcast. Greg Weisman is technically a guest, but he may as well be another co-host... and Greg Guler, Frank Paur, and Jamie Thomason have brought a lot to the table on their guest stints.
We also have recorded upcoming shows with Thom Adcox and Jeff Bennett which were fun to record.
Interviews with Thom Adcox and Jeff Bennett are up. Took a little break this month but will be back in April... right now, our schedule is:
April 15: Deadly Force w/Bill Fagerbakke & Greg Weisman
April 29: Enter Macbeth w/Carl Johnson & Greg Weisman
May 13: The Edge w/Jonathan Frakes & Greg Weisman
So far, so good...
Oh wow, is Greg officially a co-host now?
Quote from: Avaitor on March 25, 2022, 04:41:01 PM
Oh wow, is Greg officially a co-host now?
Not officially... Officially he's a guest. A guest that happens to be on most of the shows. :D
The co-hosts are moi and Jennifer L. Anderson (a long time friend, and my boss from the days when the Gathering of the Gargoyles convention was a thing).
Oh yeah, the show's back in comic form. Again. (https://collider.com/gargoyles-comic-series-dynamite-entertainment-disney/)
Oh yeah, this and Darkwing Duck. I'm wondering if this will continue from the 2006 comics, but there doesn't seem to be an answer so far, other than they're rereleasing those and the 90's Marvel runs.
I assume it is, since Weisman was pretty insistent on the canonicity of the SLG comics.
Jennifer and I are recording with Greg Weisman tonight for "Voices From the Eyrie", the episode will be up in about a month... but we're going to ask about this comic and make sure that gets quickly edited into the episode that's going up late tonight/early tomorrow.
Okay, did a fast turn around so the "news" section went in today's podcast episode up top. Paid tribute to David Warner first.
The canon for this comic is the first sixty-five episodes of the show and the SLG comic. This takes place after the SLG comic, but he isn't saying how much time has passed quite yet. He's also not assuming everyone picking this up has an encyclopedic knowledge of the show, so there's going to be a lot of re-introducing of concepts in that first issue. He wants to be responsible for new readers.
The SLG runs and the Marvel runs are being released in TPB form, and he's encouraging people to pick both up. While he doesn't consider the Marvel run canon, he thinks a lot of the stories there are fun.
So I only read the first 2 issues of the SLG and the first of Bad Guys. I don't think my comic shop ever got more than those, so I didn't get to read the rest, so I'll definitely pick up those trades.
Also, posting this episode in late August, but we just interviewed Brynne Chandler... she was a total delight; and it was great to speak with such a veteran in that world, she goes back to the early 80's.
We wish Michael Reaves' was in the right health to come on, but sadly he's no longer capable of physical speech. :(
So how many of you guys liked The Nun or those Annabelle movies? (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/gargoyles-live-action-tv-show-reboot-1235342849/)