Unpopular Opinions Based On Unpopular Opinions You Hold About Unpopular Opinions

Started by Dr. Insomniac, November 11, 2011, 02:18:02 PM

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Dr. Insomniac

Although, the owner is in a position of power. It's the equivalent of a governor or leader saying that God's judgment is on a particular group. It may be his opinion, but with his stature, his opinion has influence.

Commode

Maybe it's a bit of a different situation, but why does no one go after the people and companies that decry socialism/communism?  The idea that communism is bad is just as fucking ancient, we are not in the god damned Cold War anymore.  Shit, the way our government is right now, we could do with some socialist fundamentals, and really when someone accuses Obama of being a socialist, he shouldn't deny it or be ashamed of it, he should be damned proud, because that would mean he actually gives a shit about the working people.
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Spark Of Spirit

Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on August 03, 2012, 08:32:27 PM
Although, the owner is in a position of power. It's the equivalent of a governor or leader saying that God's judgment is on a particular group. It may be his opinion, but with his stature, his opinion has influence.
It's still his opinion. If we're going to say which opinions people are allowed and aren't allowed and which type of people are allowed to succeed, then we enter thought-crime territory.

This is what bothers me about current politics. If someone has a different opinion than your own, then they are instantly vilified as some monster that needs to be stopped as they are some kind of immoral scum- as witnessed by the Chicago mayor's comments which are more disturbing to me than this man's personal thoughts.
"The world will never starve for want of wonders, but for want of wonder." - G.K. Chesterton

Spark Of Spirit

Quote from: Comeau on August 03, 2012, 08:37:32 PM
Maybe it's a bit of a different situation, but why does no one go after the people and companies that decry socialism/communism?  The idea that communism is bad is just as fucking ancient, we are not in the god damned Cold War anymore.  Shit, the way our government is right now, we could do with some socialist fundamentals, and really when someone accuses Obama of being a socialist, he shouldn't deny it or be ashamed of it, he should be damned proud, because that would mean he actually gives a shit about the working people.
It's probably because a lot of us still remember the USSR and what happened there that communism is still regarded the way it is.

That said, Communism stole a lot from Native American tradition, so I kind of have a sore spot about it.  ;)
"The world will never starve for want of wonders, but for want of wonder." - G.K. Chesterton

Dr. Insomniac

Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on August 03, 2012, 08:39:22 PM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on August 03, 2012, 08:32:27 PM
Although, the owner is in a position of power. It's the equivalent of a governor or leader saying that God's judgment is on a particular group. It may be his opinion, but with his stature, his opinion has influence.
It's still his opinion. If we're going to say which opinions people are allowed and aren't allowed and which type of people are allowed to succeed, then we enter thought-crime territory.
There's a difference between an unpopular opinion and a wildly prejudicial view of life. If Obama said something like, "It is God's will that all Latin-Americans should be sent to internment camps.", he'd be impeached in little over a week. There's a reason why we don't let the Perrys and the Bachmanns of the world have more power than they already do. If I had a friend who said something openly racist, sexist, or homophobic, I wouldn't nod and let him be with saying that. I'd go, "What the fuckin' hell?"

Spark Of Spirit

I really don't want to go further into this, since I'm not a very political person, and again, really hate how militant and hateful politics has become so I'll end it here.

Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on August 03, 2012, 08:55:54 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on August 03, 2012, 08:39:22 PM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on August 03, 2012, 08:32:27 PM
Although, the owner is in a position of power. It's the equivalent of a governor or leader saying that God's judgment is on a particular group. It may be his opinion, but with his stature, his opinion has influence.
It's still his opinion. If we're going to say which opinions people are allowed and aren't allowed and which type of people are allowed to succeed, then we enter thought-crime territory.
There's a difference between an unpopular opinion and a wildly prejudicial view of life. If Obama said something like, "It is God's will that all Latin-Americans should be sent to internment camps.", he'd be impeached in little over a week. There's a reason why we don't let the Perrys and the Bachmanns of the world have more power than they already do.
So if he said he was in favor of gay marriage and people found out he didn't really believe that, what do you think the reaction would be? You know exactly what would happen to him. He would still think it; it would still be a thought that exists. But then it would be an issue of how horrible he was to hide it and how his business should fail because he's dishonest. So how does this get solved? It doesn't. If you think that they have to conform to a specific set of thoughts, then it's thought-crime. It doesn't matter what that thought is because personal change is not something anyone has the right to inflict on another. It's against free-will.

This world is not so easy and simple to define. There is not a political party that has all the right answers, because that would be assuming there is one correct mentality to have and everyone else has to change their views to align with yours. If that was the case, everyone would already think like you do and live like you do. But they do not, and they never will because we are all different. We have different cultures, different ethnicities, different pasts, and different futures. While I absolutely have nothing against gay people and do not condone people condemning them, I'm also not a big fan of telling people the "correct" way to think when as the world has shown there is no "correct" way, and the "correct" way sure as heck isn't in the political world.


Again, I think a mayor speaking for what an entire city's view of life consists of is far more disturbing than one man's personal opinions that have nothing to do with the business he happens to own. I'm not one for the leader of my community telling me what I find acceptable.
"The world will never starve for want of wonders, but for want of wonder." - G.K. Chesterton

Spark Of Spirit

Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on August 03, 2012, 08:55:54 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on August 03, 2012, 08:39:22 PM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on August 03, 2012, 08:32:27 PM
Although, the owner is in a position of power. It's the equivalent of a governor or leader saying that God's judgment is on a particular group. It may be his opinion, but with his stature, his opinion has influence.
It's still his opinion. If we're going to say which opinions people are allowed and aren't allowed and which type of people are allowed to succeed, then we enter thought-crime territory.
There's a difference between an unpopular opinion and a wildly prejudicial view of life. If Obama said something like, "It is God's will that all Latin-Americans should be sent to internment camps.", he'd be impeached in little over a week. There's a reason why we don't let the Perrys and the Bachmanns of the world have more power than they already do. If I had a friend who said something openly racist, sexist, or homophobic, I wouldn't nod and let him be with saying that. I'd go, "What the fuckin' hell?"
OH you edited!  :D

I understand what you're getting at. But he didn't come out and say it, it was asked in an interview. It wasn't a burning cross or anything of the sort. This really bothers me more because I'm not a fan of how everything gets blown out of proportion these days.

I don't condone people telling them they disagree with the man, I just think taking it out on a business he happens to own that employs many people who don't share his thoughts is a bit out of focus. That's all! I'm done!
"The world will never starve for want of wonders, but for want of wonder." - G.K. Chesterton

Dr. Insomniac

Fair point. It's not like every single Chick Fil-A employee lives by a fundamentalist creed. I've even read articles about a few gay cashiers who feel like they're being hit by the crossfire.

Commode

Also, how many of you watch or have watched The Simpsons, Family Guy, Futurama, American Dad, Arrested Development?  Or Star Wars, Die Hard, Alein, X Men, Avatar(not the Airbender)?  Guess what you're supporting there, we all know how shady Murdoch's views are.
It doesn't matter what you say, soon you'll be dead anyway.

Spark Of Spirit

Quote from: Comeau on August 03, 2012, 09:27:12 PM
Also, how many of you watch or have watched The Simpsons, Family Guy, Futurama, American Dad, Arrested Development?  Or Star Wars, Die Hard, Alein, X Men, Avatar(not the Airbender)?  Guess what you're supporting there, we all know how shady Murdoch's views are.
Yeah, I'm not one to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on August 03, 2012, 09:26:36 PM
Fair point. It's not like every single Chick Fil-A employee lives by a fundamentalist creed. I've even read articles about a few gay cashiers who feel like they're being hit by the crossfire.
Still friends? (I hate internet arguing)
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Avaitor

Is anyone surprised about Chik-Fil-a's opinion? I mean, they close on Sunday.
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Spark Of Spirit

Quote from: Avaitor on August 03, 2012, 09:59:00 PM
Is anyone surprised about Chik-Fil-a's opinion? I mean, they close on Sunday.
Ouch, I felt that one over here.  :D
"The world will never starve for want of wonders, but for want of wonder." - G.K. Chesterton

Daxdiv

I prefer Popeye's Chicken over all fast food brands chicken. I never ate a Chick-Fil-A due to the fact that there really isn't 1 in New York except for maybe like 1 in a college in NY.

Quote from: Avaitor on August 03, 2012, 09:59:00 PM
Is anyone surprised about Chik-Fil-a's opinion? I mean, they close on Sunday.

You know, this probably does explain why the only Chick-Fil-A I'm aware of around me is located in New Jersey of all place, a place that does observe Blue Laws or whatever it's called.

Avaitor

One thing that does annoy me is that I've seen a few other fast food places support Chick-Fil-a, like McDonald's, Wendy's and KFC. I hope the people who boycott don't like fast food.
Life is not about the second chances. It's about a little mouse and his voyage to an exciting new land. That, my friend, is what life is.

Sir, do you have any Warrants?
I got their first CD, but you can't have it, motherfucker!

New blog!
http://avaitorsblog.blogspot.com/