As you all know, the new spider-Man show is beginning on April 1st on Disney XD. Is anyone here anticipating this as much as hopeful Spider-fans?
I just recently saw the commercial for the show and it looks so unbelievably generic.
I don't want to be a fanboy and say "They scrapped SSM for this?", but... Hoping it's just a poor trailer.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on March 25, 2012, 08:07:54 PM
I just recently saw the commercial for the show and it looks so unbelievably generic.
That's how you know it's a Disney show.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on March 25, 2012, 08:22:42 PM
I don't want to be a fanboy and say "They scrapped SSM for this?", but... Hoping it's just a poor trailer.
Don't worry, I'll fill that role for you.
They scrapped SSM for this?
The clips I've seen give me a sort of Danny Phantom vibe. meh.
If nothing else, I like the animation and art-style. I wish it had gone to Avengers: EMH instead.
Way to suck out any chance of me looking into it. :wth:
Quote from: Rynnec on March 25, 2012, 11:59:54 PM
The clips I've seen give me a sort of Danny Phantom vibe. meh.
If nothing else, I like the animation and art-style. I wish it had gone to Avengers: EMH instead.
Danny Phantom. :shit:
I think that saying it looks generic is being FAR too nice to it. Honestly, it looks like crap. And I don't just mean that it looks bad in comparison to TSSM. I mean that it looks like the exact kind of crap that plagues most modern cartoons, which I sincerely hate. To be fair I can't judge an entire show based just on a trailer, but somehow I get the feeling that the trailer may end up being better than the actual show, and going by that commercial....that'll be a VERY sad thing if it turns out to be true. :whuh:
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on March 26, 2012, 11:50:07 PM
I think that saying it looks generic is being FAR too nice to it. Honestly, it looks like crap. And I don't just mean that it looks bad in comparison to TSSM. I mean that it looks like the exact kind of crap that plagues most modern cartoons, which I sincerely hate. To be fair I can't judge an entire show based just on a trailer, but somehow I get the feeling that the trailer may end up being better than the actual show, and going by that commercial....that'll be a VERY sad thing if it turns out to be true. :whuh:
Basically, this. Word for word this. USM looks bloody awful. :imnothappy:
Looks like one of those cartoons you would see on the TV in the background of some show like The Simpsons, Family Guy or South Park to name a few. You know, a parody of these shows that the characters watch to fill time or something. I'm going to try to give the show a chance, of course it does depend on my work schedule.
So that makes me the only one anticipating this show?
Maybe it's just because I'm always willing to give anything Spidey related a chance, but it doesn't look that bad to me. The animation looks smooth, the characters seem vibrant and witty, and the action looks decent enough. Plus with all the cameos in the trailers I've seen, I'm guessing this one's going for a Brave and the Bold approach except with a much younger star.
It's going to come down to the writing, but... Man Of Action isn't really the best in that area.
I'll keep an open mind, but it doesn't look all that from the commercials.
I'm really wishing all the babies over at the Marvel Animation forums would shut the absolute fuck up about TSSM. It's dead. Make your gigantic raging hard-ons go away.
People will always complain when something they like changes or goes away. It's human nature, and the internet makes it far easier for people to express that hate in less reasonable ways. That's why I stay the hell away from most gaming forums.
Quote from: Rosalinas Spare Wand on March 27, 2012, 05:06:09 PM
So that makes me the only one anticipating this show?
Maybe it's just because I'm always willing to give anything Spidey related a chance, but it doesn't look that bad to me. The animation looks smooth, the characters seem vibrant and witty, and the action looks decent enough. Plus with all the cameos in the trailers I've seen, I'm guessing this one's going for a Brave and the Bold approach except with a much younger star.
I used to read the Ultimate Spider-Man comics, which were actually quite good until the Deadpool volume IMO, but this doesn't really remind me of them at all. I think that's why it looks so bad to me. Skewed expectations and whatnot. :immad:
:shit: Jesus, you made it that far? I had to stop reading a little bit after the Sinister Six or whatever the hell it was called.
That Sinister Six miniseries was awful. idk why it was even turned into a volume of USM, since Spidey barely showed up in it.
Quote from: gunswordfist on March 28, 2012, 01:08:02 PM
:shit: Jesus, you made it that far? I had to stop reading a little bit after the Sinister Six or whatever the hell it was called.
Oh Jesus, Sinister Six was so fucking bad. I had forgotten about that shit until now. Hollywood also sucked, but Carnage was pretty cool IMO. But that Deadpool arc was just awful. Had to stop reading there.
You know, I still like the first few volumes of USM, but as a whole, I don't think it's a very good series.
I really think that in the past 10 years, it has already dated itself more than the original Stan Lee ASM's have in the past 50, and the pacing is just awful. I mean, Peter doesn't even turn into Spidey until the end of the first volume or the start of the second, yet he has no problem telling MJ that he's Spider-Man not even like 10 issues after he suits up.
I've only ever read the first few issues of USM and can't remember much about it to be honest, except for the fact that none of what I read actually involved any Spider-Man in it (there was a lot of back-story for Peter building up to him becoming Spider-Man, I believe). At any rate, getting back to the topic of this show, what I saw from the commercial and promotions makes it look absolutely nothing like the USM comics, for better or worse (or at least as bad as the USM comics apparently get, based on what you guys are saying about it), so I'm not exactly sure why it has a name that suggests its based off of the Ultimate Universe Spider-Man, unless they just gave it that name without that intention, but I don't see how you could unintentionally name something after a distinct comic book series version of Spider-Man.
If anything, this is based more off of Ultimate Marvel Team-Up, which did feature Spidey joining up with various heroes every issue, with some shades of USM in that it'll actually focus on Spider-Man/Peter outside of the action.
The Ultimate comic started off well but fell off pretty hard like the entire Ultimate universe.
I think this series was in planning back when it was still hot, which would explain the title. Because it sure isn't going to attract comic fans with a title like that.
Quote from: Avaitor on March 28, 2012, 01:25:02 PM
That Sinister Six miniseries was awful. idk why it was even turned into a volume of USM, since Spidey barely showed up in it.
That's what I was thinking. Also, what the hell at the art change? It was just weird. Then things got watered down after that. Why oh why didn't they just focus on Kingpin vs teen Spidey? That had my interest. Whenshegoingtofindoutwhenshegoingtofindoutwhenshegoingtofindout
Am I the only one enjoying Ultimate Spider-Man so far? Sure, the combination of seriousness and comedy is pretty off at the moment, but I have hopes that it will improve and balance out in the future. Despite the flaws in the first two episode, I really do find myself enjoying the show. Then again, I've always been kinda fond of Man of Action's style.
To be fair, the commercials for SSM were also pretty shitty. Maybe I'll enjoy USM once I get a chance to actually watch it. ;)
So I watched episode one, finally.
I'm not really impressed. The comedy doesn't work at all, nor does it feel like Spider-Man. It isn't balanced well with the action, and dialogue is not really anything special, either. This actually felt like Teen Titans' early episodes where everything was jarring and out of place, and there was no flow at all. The cutaways are completely ridiculous though, those have to go.
Also, the lack of Josh Keaton mystifies me. He's pretty much the best Spider-Man voice, while the one in this series sounds... off. To put it lightly.
And I watched episode 2.
Foggle, do not watch this show.
It's that bad?
Quote from: Foggle on April 11, 2012, 06:27:31 PM
It's that bad?
You'll absolutely hate it. It's too schizophrenic, awkwardly paced, and a little bit insulting to Spider-Man as character (while there is Avengers worship at every turn)... It doesn't even really feel much like a Spider-Man show.
It could definitely improve down the line, but I honestly think you'd detest it.
I watch the latest episode and I was unimpressed with it. I felt like the 7 year old in me would like it, but the 23 year old in me thought it was boring and trying way too hard to be funny. I wasn't expecting Spectacular Spider-Man levels, but I was expecting something like Brave and the Bold or Green Lantern, treating their superheroes with respect. But man, I didn't find a single joke funny at all in this episode.
That and I do not find Drake Bell to be a good Spider-Man/Peter Parker, at all. I personally prefer Tobey Maguire over him. While Josh Keaton IS Spider-Man for me, and Hal Jordan as well, in fact Josh is the voice I hear in all Spider-Man comics I read, except for the new Ultimate line where Spider-Man is Miles Morales, but that should be a given.
The humor is like from the wrong show. It totally doesn't work or fit in this show at all. But the worst ones are the cutaways... I hope I'm not alone in saying I've been burned out on cutaway gag humor for like the last decade. So overused.
Yeah, the last thing I want is Family Guy in my Spider-Man.
That's the thing, it felt like I was watching Family Guy does Spider-Man, especially with those cutaways where they make Spidey a chibi for some reason, cause I guess the fact he's small increases the humor. HAHAHAHAHAA! Even the cutaways fell flat and I'm pretty sure that a younger version of myself would have found them humorous.
I just watched the first episode of it. I'll just say that its definitely not for me and kindly bow out with just that.
Count me in the crowd of people who wish that TSSM would have been allowed to continue rather than being replaced by this series.
GregX advises you stay away, too (http://gregxb.blogspot.ca/2012/04/sigh.html)
This series is unbelievably divisive. People either outright hate it, or they love it. No in-between.
That screenshot made me gag.
With all these negative reviews, I honestly really want to watch it now...
Only if you watch every episode.
As penance.
Why was SSM canceled, anyway? They could have easily run both of these shows simultaneously. ???
Apparently it was easier to make a new show than to continue TSSM.
But you know, I could forgive it if it was even at least as good as the 90s show. But it's not close to even that. It's like they thought McFarlane shows, superheroes, and low brow jokes were funny so they threw them all together and threw in some really bad toy ads to make a show.
I don't know what's going on over at Marvel, but I'm starting to think Avengers might be a fluke.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 24, 2012, 04:15:02 PM
I don't know what's going on over at Marvel, but I'm starting to think Avengers might be a fluke.
Jeph Loeb, mate. Jeph Loeb.
So it's a superhero comedy with a bad script and Spider-Man characters? Lovely.
SSM was so brilliant, too. I remember I was hesitant to watch it because I thought the ads looked dumb, but then you guys convinced me to and I ended up marathoning the whole series in two days. Not something that happens often.
Going to watch the first episode of USM later tonight, then I'll report back with my thoughts. Hopefully it will surpass my expectations...
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on April 24, 2012, 04:17:57 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 24, 2012, 04:15:02 PM
I don't know what's going on over at Marvel, but I'm starting to think Avengers might be a fluke.
Jeph Loeb, mate. Jeph Loeb.
Since it's being made by his studio, I really wish Joe Kelly was writing for USM. His Deadpool run was brilliant.
Quote from: Foggle on April 24, 2012, 04:21:00 PM
So it's a superhero comedy with a bad script and Spider-Man characters? Lovely.
SSM was so brilliant, too. I remember I was hesitant to watch it because I thought the ads looked dumb, but then you guys convinced me to and I ended up marathoning the whole series in two days. Not something that happens often.
Going to watch the first episode of USM later tonight, then I'll report back with my thoughts. Hopefully it will be surpass my expectations...
You're going to think it's the worst thing Marvel has ever produced. It's not necessarily that bad, but as far as animated series go...
I'd say it's the worst one.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on April 24, 2012, 04:17:57 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 24, 2012, 04:15:02 PM
I don't know what's going on over at Marvel, but I'm starting to think Avengers might be a fluke.
Jeph Loeb, mate. Jeph Loeb.
Is he the cause of the Avengers writers leaving by season 2's end? It's like if Marvel makes something good, he instantly has to squash it.
QuoteQuote from: Dr. Insomniac on April 24, 2012, 04:17:57 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 24, 2012, 04:15:02 PM
I don't know what's going on over at Marvel, but I'm starting to think Avengers might be a fluke.
Jeph Loeb, mate. Jeph Loeb.
Is he the cause of the Avengers writers leaving by season 2's end? It's like if Marvel makes something good, he instantly has to squash it.
From what I heard, yes.
Christ, why couldn't Marvel get a good writer to be their head of animation? Like Warren Ellis or something?
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 24, 2012, 04:24:07 PM
You're going to think it's the worst thing Marvel has ever produced. It's not necessarily that bad
Considering that the only Marvel things I'm at all familiar with are Deadpool, the first 300 or so issues of Amazing Spider-Man, and various cartoon series for X-Men and stuff, I don't think I'm in a good position to declare something as "WORST MARVEL PRODUCTION EVARR." :P I'm a comics newb, really.
But from what I hear, this will easily be the worst Marvel-related entity I've ever encountered... aside from Super Hero Squad...
Yeah, you'd probably love Nextwave.
Quote from: Foggle on April 24, 2012, 04:30:31 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 24, 2012, 04:24:07 PM
You're going to think it's the worst thing Marvel has ever produced. It's not necessarily that bad
Considering that the only Marvel things I'm at all familiar with are Deadpool, the first 300 or so issues of Amazing Spider-Man, and various cartoon series for X-Men and stuff, I don't think I'm in a good position to declare something as "WORST MARVEL PRODUCTION EVARR." :P I'm a comics newb, really.
But from what I hear, this will easily be the worst Marvel-related entity I've ever encountered... aside from Super Hero Squad...
It's worse than Super Hero Squad.
Cool. I'm always looking for more funny comics to read.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on April 24, 2012, 04:35:19 PM
Quote from: Foggle on April 24, 2012, 04:34:29 PM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on April 24, 2012, 04:31:07 PM
Quote from: Foggle on April 24, 2012, 04:30:31 PM
I'm a comics newb, really.
You. Nextwave. Read.
Is it a comedy? It sounds like one.
Yes.
No.
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdesmond.imageshack.us%2FHimg850%2Fscaled.php%3Fserver%3D850%26amp%3Bfilename%3Dnextwave201.jpg%26amp%3Bres%3Dlanding&hash=33e338bee75b6ab84ab16e087b711a3f824a2065)
I mean yes.
Oh wow, it's like the exact same humor style as the Excel manga... :joy: :joy:
I have no idea who Jeff Loeb is, but am I to understand that he may be playing a hand in screwing up Avengers: EMH after it finishes its 2nd season? That is to say, is he going to be screwing up an already good Marvel-based cartoon show in addition to butchering Spider-Man?
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on April 24, 2012, 05:34:07 PM
I have no idea who Jeff Loeb is, but am I to understand that he may be playing a hand in screwing up Avengers: EMH after it finishes its 2nd season? That is to say, is he going to be screwing up an already good Marvel-based cartoon show in addition to butchering Spider-Man?
I'm not up on it, but apparently while writing the second season the head writers got the can due to the show being too complex or something. In response the second half of season 2 is apparently full of mostly stand alone episodes.
The show will probably get the axe after that. Because Marvel.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 24, 2012, 05:42:43 PM
I'm not up on it, but apparently while writing the second season the head writers got the can due to the show being too complex or something.
No fucking wonder SSM got replaced by Seth MacFarlane Presents: Spider-Man. This Loeb chucklehead probably thought it wasn't dumbed down enough for hyperactive kids to be entertained by it. God forbid people over five years of age enjoy cartoons.
If that's the case, then I'm GLAD that TSSM ended when it did. Sure, it got the axe WAY earlier than it should have since it still could have gone on for at least another season with how much was left unresolved, but at least its entire run was quality and wasn't hampered (or rather completely trashed) by Loeb and his team. It just sucks that a promising show like Avengers: EMH may end up being dragged down by this guy. I mean, its one thing to replace a good show with an atrociously bad version of it, but at least it leaves the good show itself alone to stand on its own merits. Its really crossing the line, IMO, to completely trash a show that was doing fine by itself without any interference. I'd maybe understand this move if the show was getting really low ratings as it is (though I'd still hate something like this happening, regardless), but from what I've heard Avengers: EMH was at least doing decent on Disney XD, unless I heard wrong and it was actually getting terrible ratings all along. Either way, though, if this is true then I'm definitely going to stop watching this show after the episode where the original writers left. At least that way none of Loebb's garbage will taint the image of this series in my mind.
Quote from: Foggle on April 24, 2012, 06:16:40 PM
No fucking wonder SSM got replaced by Seth MacFarlane Presents: Spider-Man. This Loeb chucklehead probably thought it wasn't dumbed down enough for hyperactive kids to be entertained by it. God forbid people over five years of age enjoy cartoons.
Honestly, I think that this Family Guy style of humor is too insultingly stupid even for 5 year olds. I feel sorry that kids have to grow up with this shit. I mean, yeah, crappy and uninspired cartoons have always been around since young kids will watch just about anything, but even the shitty 80's cartoons weren't typically "harmfully" bad. I honestly feel that shit like this show actively makes kids dumber as they watch it.
I think that Super Hero Squadron was supposed to be bad, though. Or at least for a totally different audience.
Also, Foggle, if you haven't, I'd recommend looking up X-Statix, and the last issues of X-Force when it was reformatted into it.
The sad thing, I hear, is that Jeph Loeb originally meant to retire from comics life after his son died, but Quesada coerced him into joining his side. So that's another thing to blame Joe on.
9 minutes into the first episode. I don't know if I can finish it... :whuh:
Quote from: Foggle on April 24, 2012, 09:27:07 PM
9 minutes into the first episode. I don't know if I can finish it... :whuh:
Now you have to watch all of them! :huh:
The series is not getting better and I've seen the first 5 episodes.
Wow. That was, without a doubt, the worst Spider-Man anything I have ever witnessed. Nearly everything about it was godawful, except for the high quality animation and JK Simmons' performance as Jameson.
Where do I even begin? Drake Bell is a garbage Spider-Man and somehow makes me long for anyone else... even Tobey Maguire would be better! The writing is horrendous, as are the numerous cutaway gags that serve only to make unfunny banter less funny. The fight scene was too boring and drawn out, featuring villains no one fucking cares about instead of popular Spider-Man mainstays. Worse still was the awful "comedy;" a bad guy gets incapacitated by slipping on jello and Spidey shoves Flash Thompson into a locker... really? I can't believe Paul Dini and Brian Michael Bendis are the ones behind such an abominable script - I've usually enjoyed their work in the past.
Episode 1 was physically painful to watch and I actually felt like my IQ had dropped a few points by the end of it. ...On to episode 2!
I also thought the whole idea that Spider-Man wasn't good enough to operate on his own and needed SHIELD to be as good as the Avengers was kind of insulting. I like the Avengers, but the hero worship for them in this show is awful and demeaning to Spider-Man as a superhero.
What a shame too as I like Iron Fist.
All I know is that the first episode is shit. The writing, voice acting, chibis, cutaway gags... seriously embarrassing to watch.
Marvel should be ashamed of this series. I hope it gets canceled mid-season.
Okay, less than a minute into the second episode, and I honestly can't watch any more. The cutaway gag with Aunt May was too much for me, and Spidey being portrayed as far weaker than the Avengers not 45 seconds in is just insulting. Officially done with USM. I am physically incapable of continuing now.
Looks like we have a new candidate for a Ludovico Trials in the near future at this rate.
I'm already experiencing it due to morbid curiosity.
I know some people really like it, but I doubt they would argue that it was quality. The show is pretty much all flash and no substance and writing is just not up to handling all that flash.
A shame they had to involve Iron Fist, though. I always wanted to see him properly animated... but not like this. :(
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 24, 2012, 10:54:41 PM
A shame they had to involve Iron Fist, though. I always wanted to see him properly animated... but not like this. :(
I'm just waiting for them to introduce Deadpool as a villain and have him voiced by Joe Jonas.
The way they're going, Deadpool would be J. Jonah.
I am now imagining JK Simmons singing Burnin' Up. This is what you people are doing to me. :whuh:
This is what Ultimate Spider-Man does.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on April 24, 2012, 11:11:19 PM
I am now imagining JK Simmons singing Burnin' Up. This is what you people are doing to me. :whuh:
He should do a duet of it with Mike Tyson.
So I guess we have to wait another 2-4 years to get a new Spidey series... or just read whatever Dan Slott's writing. I don't know.
I feel safer reading the comics now than watching this. That's all I'm going to say.
You know, I've never actually read any Spider-Man comics. I should fix that.
I've still only seen the first episode. It wasn't flat out terrible to me, but it definitely leaves a lot to be desired. I feel sorry for Jeph Loeb about the pain he still has for his son's death, but looking over records of his work it's obvious he shouldn't be working in comics right now nevermind animation. Yet that idiot Joe Q had to convince him to stay.
I hate to say this, but I have a small bad feeling something bad may happen involving Loeb. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see how writing homages to his son and his death is in any way effective therapy. Bottom line, I don't blame Jeph Loeb for Ultimate Spider-Man's hangups I blame Joe Q. That man seriously needs to lose his job.
Loeb honestly needs to step away for a while. You can't "work" through grief, it's something that needs to be dealt with directly. Quesada shouldn't have interfered.
But as for USM, I honestly didn't think episode 1 was all that terrible. It wasn't good, but it could have gotten better. But I watched all 5 episodes so far and it actually got worse. That's what took me aback.
Well, who knows maybe by the end of it's first season it'll pick up. Honestly, just take out the cutaway jokes, narrations and action scene stoppage and there's an average or decent Spider-Man cartoon underneath. :??:
Quote from: Peanutbutter on April 25, 2012, 05:58:51 PM
Well, who knows maybe by the end of it's first season it'll pick up. Honestly, just take out the cutaway jokes, narrations and action scene stoppage and there's an average or decent Spider-Man cartoon underneath. :??:
Basically, yeah. Though they should really dump Drake Bell, too...
I also blame Quesada for making Loeb work as well. Wasn't it due to the fact that Loeb's son died that we got some grim story where he decided to kill Bucky and Bucky was basically a spitting image of his son? Give me another reason to hate Quesada.
Quote from: Foggle on April 25, 2012, 06:05:22 PM
Quote from: Peanutbutter on April 25, 2012, 05:58:51 PM
Well, who knows maybe by the end of it's first season it'll pick up. Honestly, just take out the cutaway jokes, narrations and action scene stoppage and there's an average or decent Spider-Man cartoon underneath. :??:
Basically, yeah. Though they should really dump Drake Bell, too...
His voice really doesn't seem to fit the character. I'm not sure what it is, it's not really the acting, it's the way his voice sounds.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 25, 2012, 06:31:30 PM
Quote from: Foggle on April 25, 2012, 06:05:22 PM
Quote from: Peanutbutter on April 25, 2012, 05:58:51 PM
Well, who knows maybe by the end of it's first season it'll pick up. Honestly, just take out the cutaway jokes, narrations and action scene stoppage and there's an average or decent Spider-Man cartoon underneath. :??:
Basically, yeah. Though they should really dump Drake Bell, too...
His voice really doesn't seem to fit the character. I'm not sure what it is, it's not really the acting, it's the way his voice sounds.
Bingo. He sounds too... pretty? Not sure what the word is.
Also, Peter's character design looks disturbingly similar to how Tim B^Uckley draws himself...
My friend made a comment that the faces don't look right. I think he has a point, they definitely look bizarre when in animation.
So I'm watching the first few episodes due to the Scratchcast. My face is twitching.
Make sure to watch the rest to see how it manages to somehow get worse.
I've been so spoiled by getting used to Josh Keaton's Spider-Man/Peter Parker voice in TSSM that I'm not sure if I can adjust to any new SM voice, personally.
Found this from TZ:
http://www.marveltvnews.com/2012/05/15/rumor-marvel-studios-insider-spills-the-bean-regarding-ultimate-spider-man-and-agents-of-s-m-a-s-h-2/
QuoteAccording to AgentX (my insider?s fictional alias) Marvel does know that fans are hating Ultimate Spider-man. In fact many Marvel Studios employees who are working on the show hate it. However, Marvel and Disney invensted a lot of money in it and will not be cancelling it anytime soon. Especially since many Marvel big guys believe the show is doing great (although the ratings have started dropping after episode 3 ?Doomed?).
- Many discussions have been taking place regarding Avengers EMH (which is ending after this season) and how it could be the reason people are watching Ultimate Spider-man, since it broadcasts prior to the hit show Avengers. To make sure this isn?t the case, there will be many instances where Disney XD will air a new episode of Ultimate Spider-man while putting Avengers: EMH on a short hiatus. (AgentX and many Marvel guys believe that Avengers EMH brings the biggest number of viewers to watch Ultimate Spider-man)
- Season 2 of Ultimate Spider-man is in full production right now, as it was green lit before the show even premiered, and Marvel is not planning any change to the show tone, its humor, execution or even character development.
- The Statement Paul Dini, one of the producers and writers of the show, about the show getting mature with more seasons is false and wishful thinking, as Marvel had made it clear that the tone will not change. In fact according to AgentX, even Dini himself is not very happy with how the show turns out and wanted to have some maturity in it, which Marvel rejected.
- Jeph Loeb is definitely one of the main guys who is pushing for the tone of the show. According to Agent X, Jeph wants Marvel Cartoons to prepare the youglings to be future Marvel comics fans, and he insisted on having all the Marvel cartons (Ultimate Spider-man, Hulk agents of SMASH, and the second half season of Avengers EMH) with no over reaching story, no 2 or 3 episodes parters, and no continuity.
-As Much as people are complaining about the show, they do not address their complaints to anyone. AgentX believes that if enough people wrote to Marvel and the show producers about how much they hate the show, then chances are higher for the show to be fixed or cancelled and replaced by a better Spider-man show.
- Hulk Agents of SMASH, is a bit diffirent than Ultimate Spider-man, but still geared towards children. According to AgentX, the episode stories of the show are very simple, under-explained and many times don?t make sense at all.
- Much like Ultimate Spider-man, HULK Agents of SMASH?s characters backgrounds is never explored, but only touched upon (just like Ultimate spider-man?s teammates)
- While there are no Cut away gags, and breaking the 4th wall jokes in Agents of SMASH, there are some episodes where the characters are talking to the viewer, as in a reality show, where each member of the hulk team will explain things and tell his view on the episode?s situation. (AgentX is not sure how many episodes will be in this format)
- According to AgentX, if you hate Ultimate Spider-man, chances are you will not like Hulk and the Agents of SMASH.
- Hulk Agents of SMASH can be described as a mindless action show, with no character development and no intelligent stories.
The shorter version, even some of the show's staff and Paul Dini are hating how Ultimate Spider-Man has turned out. Dini wanted the show to be mature, but Jeph Loeb and Marvel's top brass said no. :bleh:
Not a surprise at all. Paul Dini is a competent writer who made some of the best episodes of the DCAU and even did great work recently for Batman: The Brave and the Bold. Obviously, whatever work he's allowed to do if any is just getting filtered out by Loeb or possibly Quesada himself.
There's a short hiatus for Avengers: EMH coming up so they can be sure if it's the only thing holding Ultimate Spider-Man up in the ratings. Doesn't matter much though, EMH is likely still canned and there's going to be a second season for Spidey coming up.
The mention about enough people writing to Marvel gives me a little hope, but I'm not sure how many people would be willing to actually get together and do so instead of being apathetic. :(
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According to AgentX (my insider's fictional alias)
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Quote- Jeph Loeb is definitely one of the main guys who is pushing for the tone of the show. According to Agent X, Jeph wants Marvel Cartoons to prepare the youglings to be future Marvel comics fans, and he insisted on having all the Marvel cartons (Ultimate Spider-man, Hulk agents of SMASH, and the second half season of Avengers EMH) with no over reaching story, no 2 or 3 episodes parters, and no continuity.
Can't wait for the rumored Deadpool animated series to be a goofy kids' show...
- Jeph Loeb is definitely one of the main guys who is pushing for the tone of the show. According to Agent X, Jeph wants Marvel Cartoons to prepare the youglings to be future Marvel comics fans, and he insisted on having all the Marvel cartons (Ultimate Spider-man, Hulk agents of SMASH, and the second half season of Avengers EMH) with no over reaching story, no 2 or 3 episodes parters, and no continuity.
FUUUUUUUUUU
Do what you want with the Spider-Man and Hulk shows, which have been like this since day 1, but leave Avengers out of it.
Yeah, I was REALLY liking Avengers. I have no problems with them ending it with this season, but why the fuck did they have to actually screw with the writing of the show for the 2nd half of the season? At least they could have let it run its course.
At any rate, was the show actually even getting poor ratings? I heard it was doing pretty decently, and if it wasn't it sure as hell deserved to get good ratings. I sincerely hope that Ultimate Spider-Man does not get higher ratings than Avengers does, and I hope the ratings drop like crazy once Avengers goes on hiatus, because if that doesn't happen I'll lose my faith in childhood. I mean, I know they say kids will watch any junk, but even kids have enough taste to know what cartoons are better than others. When I was a kid, I at least always knew that a show like BTAS was a far better show than SMTAS ever was. I knew that Gargoyles was at least a hundred times better than TMNT. I'm hoping that kids today can at least tell which show makes for better entertainment.
It really is aggravating to see all the support USM is undeservedly getting when TSSM got thrown under the bus so early in its run.
The worst part? Nobody likes it.
Kids hate it, fans hate, the staff hates it, and even early supporters don't even care about it anymore. Yet they've invested so much into this. For what reason? It's barely even about Spider-Man.
What really pisses me off is the "cartoons for kids" mentality that Marvel has. Haven't they noticed how adults watch TSSM and A: EMH alongside with kids?
This isn't the 80's, guys. Cartoons aren't just for Saturday mornings and shovelware anymore. Although it sure seems like we're going back to then.
According to GregX, Frank Paur (who does not work on the show) told him and others that there's no change in quality after the regime change on Avengers: EMH. If he's right, there shouldn't be anything to worry about. Though, it won't hurt to stay a little cautious.
Honestly, that's okay with me. Other than Skrull-Cap (and Miss Marvel's recruitment) there really isn't that much of a story arc in this season as opposed to last season. As long it does manage to retain it's quality in the last twelve episodes, I'll be okay with it ending. That said, the reasons why its ending still completely suck. :oo:
I really don't think it would be a bad idea to do what that insider suggested. If we got enough people to write to Disney and Marvel about how bad Ultimate Spider-Man is; Disney might cancel it or order Quesada to fix it.
If the writing and plots are still good in the remainder of EMH then that's fine enough with me.
Well, I don't mind an episodic structure (I mean, BTAS was completely episodic and that's considered to be the greatest superhero cartoon of all-time, as well as one of the greatest cartoons of all-time in general), but I just hope the current story-arc going on in AEMH gets wrapped up without being too rushed before we go to the episodic part of the season. Season 1 had some stand-alone episodes and they were honestly quite good, so as long as season 2's stand-alone episodes are at least written well, I can still live with that.
I still hate the idea that the show was clearly interfered with and that the 2nd half of the season that we're getting, whether good or bad, isn't what we originally would have gotten had the writers been allowed to carry out things the way that they wanted to.
Wow, even the people on the show hate how USM turned out and Marvel had high hopes for it to the point of greenlighting season 2 before the show even aired. Also, thank you AgentX for making me skip out on the new Hulk cartoon.
I still don't get Marvel's point of view on this. I could at least understand them making this move if shows like TSSM and AEMH got really low ratings (I'm not saying it would be right, but it would at least make sense from a business point of view), but did they? I mean, were they really getting such poor reception that they had to be canceled? I do know that both of those series were getting positive feedback from viewers, and I would hope that Marvel was at least aware of that.
On the other hand, they are clearly aware that people downright hate USM, but for some reason this is the show that they are putting all of their effort into keeping alive....it just....it doesn't make sense to me no matter which way I try to look at it.
It's odd because the most successful superhero shows are the ones that take after the 90s shows these days. Making it about characters and story first. The ones based on the 80s shows (See pretty much every Marvel show this decade outside of TSSM and EMH) tend to die out fast.
How can Marvel and DC get only TV or film right and not both? It's puzzling.
Reminds me of a conversation I heard in my local comic shop today, where people were praising Young Justice and Avengers, and downplaying DC's film line up and new Spider-Man cartoon.
I didn't think it was possible, but this show is even starting to make ME wish for a return of TSSM.
I think that Disney just flat-out doesn't know how to make TV animation anymore.
Disney didn't make this series. They just own Marvel (and consequently this series, I suppose). If I'm not mistaken Marvel has many of their own established writers and producers behind this show (unless I'm mistaken), so really this series is all on them since they are the ones really trying to push it to be more popular.
Yeah, it's all Marvel. And even they have Avengers to make up for USM.
I'm starting to see some gif sets for this show on my tumblr dash, and wow, does this show want to make itself fit in with the movierverse. Thor even says "Son of Coul" again.
True, though now that he says it... it does feel a lot like Phineas & Ferb with Spider-Man in the title role...
Quote from: Brak's Dad on May 24, 2012, 11:00:07 PM
Yeah, it's all Marvel. And even they have Avengers to make up for USM.
I'm starting to see some gif sets for this show on my tumblr dash, and wow, does this show want to make itself fit in with the movierverse. Thor even says "Son of Coul" again.
My friend asked me during Avengers, "So when does Coulson find time to be the principal at Peter's school?"
Considering how he was treated in the movie, his cartoon appearance is pretty insulting. :sweat:
Another gifset I saw introduced Coulson as Peter's principal, and you know what it reminded me? "Principal Amzy" in the Emperor's New School.
God Kronk is dumb.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 24, 2012, 11:00:41 PM
True, though now that he says it... it does feel a lot like Phineas & Ferb with Spider-Man in the title role...
Exactly.
Marvel may own the show, but I have no doubt Disney is the one ultimately pulling the strings. Especially considering this is the first show they've made under the corporate umbrella. The P&F comparison is apt, though I would also include pretty much all of Disney's live-action properties as well. It has that strange blandness to it, where all the plot-lines are shallow and cliche and the humor is forced and obvious.
Quote from: GaryPotter on May 24, 2012, 11:11:51 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 24, 2012, 11:00:41 PM
True, though now that he says it... it does feel a lot like Phineas & Ferb with Spider-Man in the title role...
Exactly.
Marvel may own the show, but I have no doubt Disney is the one ultimately pulling the strings. Especially considering this is the first show they've made under the corporate umbrella. The P&F comparison is apt, though I would also include pretty much all of Disney's live-action properties as well. It has that strange blandness to it, where all the plot-lines are shallow and cliche and the humor is forced and obvious.
Considering that Disney is usually pretty lax with Marvel (explaining A:EMH), I'm still more prone to blaming Loeb than anything. After all, he's one of the hands in the making of the show.
My problem with Ultimate Spider Man isn't that it's comedic; I have a tremendous amount of respect of wacky and silly. It's that the show is just so...bad at it. USM wants to be funnier than it actually is. Heck, even Super Hero Squad was a better show than USM.
Someone at Toon Zone said of Ultimate Spider Man: "It's just like Teen Titans.", to which I have to disagree. Even at it's worst, TT was better written and conceived than USM with it's obnoxious cutaways and it's forced outrageous-ness and it's "teen team" that has absolutely zero chemistry. Spidey's teammates' contributions to the show are often so minor and unimportant that their very presence is something of a joke. USM's producers need to decide once and for all if this is going to be a team show or a Spider Man solo show, because it keeps trying to be both and doesn't do either particularly well.
Thank goodness Marvel Universe has Avengers: Earths Mightiest Heroes.
I think the advantage Teen Titans had was that the humor at its worst was merely boring. USM humor at it's worst is embarrassing.
I actually liked Teen Titans (it's not a favorite or anything), and I severely doubt that USM would ever make something half as funny as the tofu episode.
I'm not a Titans fan, and still haven't seen a full ep USM, but I can already tell what the superior show is based on what I've read and the brief bits of footage I have seen.
I still don't think there was a point to the random bits of humor in TT, but I'd take that over USM any day.
I'm also not a fan of TT, but at least that show had some form of effort put into its writing and it didn't forget to have actual plots and story-lines past all of the gags and humor (which I really wasn't a fan of). To me, USM feels like the show we'd get if it were handled by the writers of Family Guy, not Marvel writers themselves. At least TT felt coherent for the most part and had character development.
You know, considering the route Marvel is taking with their animated series, I'm surprised that they haven't tried to turn this into a show.
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Although I think if it was done ironically, it would turn out to be a fun show. Especially if they added Deadpool in. ESPECIALLY if they kept Steve Blum as Deadpool.
The only problem is that it would totally not be done ironically.
True.
I hope Jeph Loeb doesn't find this board.
HEY GUYS (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/news/?a=60850)
Honestly, I'm not surprised.
Wow....So what was originally supposed to be a kick-ass nod to TSSM with the same Spider-Man voice from that show (and honestly, I think that Josh Keaton has done the best Spidey voice that I have ever heard), has been butchered by Marvel in hopes of trying to promote salvage USM, their failing replacement for TSSM. I really hope that fans get to at least see the original dub in some available form. If Josh Keaton's work has already been fully recorded, then it deserves to be heard by fans who want to hear it. Even if they air Drake Bell's dub-over on TV, I'd still by the DVD sets if they at least gave an option of hearing the original version with Keaton's voice.
I read GregX's blog about it, Didn't know if it should have been posted here or in the Avengers thread. Was a little miffed when I heard about it. since he did record them. If it was Drake from the start, people would be just angry that it was Drake Bell. Shame really.
I also heard that they might have replaced Daren Norris' voice for JJJJ for JK Simmons as well. Don't know how to feel about that.
Well that I wouldn't mind. I love them both as Jamison, really.
I withdraw my previous kind words for macattack.
Honestly that guy needs to just shut the fuck up about his ideas about how Marvel is trying to totally abolish SSM. It was a shitty idea years ago and it's just ridiculous now. Drake Bell is Spider-Man, like it or not, and Marvel wants consistency. Good Lord these SSM fanboys drive me up the wall.
Is it just me, or does Harry's voice actor sound wayyyyyyyyyyyy too old to play him?
This is a total 180 from the last few comic pages I've posted on the board, but how do we get from the Aunt May from here
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To what we have in this show?
Oh man... :imnothappy:
I hate to pull out a modern comic, but really. I just don't like the changes they do to the characters, like making Peter a complete dunce, have Aunt May act a quarter of her age, turning MJ into a wanna-be journalist instead of a wanna-be actress, have Harry turn into Venom, I can go on...
No, that was a good example. They turned Aunt May into the "hip mom"stereotype that doesn't suit her or make any sense at all considering who the character is.
The one thing that got to me was in at least one of the episodes, Peter says that she's sick and he'd have to take care of her.
What, did she eat a bad piece of sushi?
Quote from: Foggle on June 14, 2012, 01:29:32 AM
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 14, 2012, 01:19:35 AM
have Harry turn into Venom
WAIT WHAT
Oh yeah, you didn't get that far yet.
Eddie Brock doesn't exist in USM.
Quote from: Foggle on June 14, 2012, 01:29:32 AM
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 14, 2012, 01:19:35 AM
have Harry turn into Venom
WAIT WHAT
At the end of the symbiote episode (which Spidey only had on him for ONE SCENE, may I remind you), you can see it crawling up into Harry. Which I guess is easier than trying to add Eddie Brock in with no time for a previous proper introduction, but it's still stupid as hell.
That is completely unacceptable. :srs:[/nerdrage]
My final verdict:
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It gets worse:
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Whoa, looks like Wolvie needs to go on Slim Fast.
So, does anybody have different opinions on this show, or did we all drop it after the first few months?
Once I saw the Hulk I never went back. Boy did they pull out everything I disliked about the Hulk for that one.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on September 09, 2012, 10:38:07 PM
Once I saw the Hulk I never went back. Boy did they pull out everything I disliked about the Hulk for that one.
What.. uh... what did they do son? WHAT DID THEY DO?
Quote from: Daxdiv on September 10, 2012, 12:03:11 AM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on September 09, 2012, 10:38:07 PM
Once I saw the Hulk I never went back. Boy did they pull out everything I disliked about the Hulk for that one.
What.. uh... what did they do son? WHAT DID THEY DO?
He yells, grunts, and is angry. That's pretty much it.
It's a terrible characterization, and about the laziest version of the Hulk there is.
Ugh... that Hulk? Really, he's more than just a brute. If this is what Hulk is going to be like in the new Hulk show, that's a big pass.
So this week's episode of Ultimate Spider Man was basically the producers' way of getting Spider Ham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Ham) on TV, albeit indirectly (with Peter getting turned into a pig instead of opening a portal to another dimension). I think that the USM stories might work better as 11 minute shorts. Wall-to-wall "I'm a pig!", "You're a pig!" "He's a pig!" jokes might be amusing for 5-10 minutes, but for a full half hour is a tad much.
Man of Action did Adam Carrola's podcast and apparently Joe Quesada flat out said to them: "I want a show that appeals to kids and only to kids. Not something that only appeals to forty-year-old white guys who read comics."
Joe, last I checked, SSM did very well with its target demographic. And, unlike this show, it was genuinely funny too.
Joe Quesada doesn't seem to like comic readers very much either. Especially after seeing his version of them in that Linkara review.
So did anyone finish watching this season? I really can't get myself interested in doing so, but I was curious if anyone here managed to tough it out.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on December 21, 2012, 08:39:49 PM
So did anyone finish watching this season? I really can't get myself interested in doing so, but I was curious if anyone here managed to tough it out.
I saw most of the episodes up to the finale with Green Goblin. I missed that one, but by that time I just couldn't take it anymore.
I find USM to be utter garbage, and this is coming from someone who enjoyed
The Super Hero Squad Show.
The show is on Netflix now, shall I put myself through it?
Can it really be worse than Spider-Man Unlimited?
Quote from: Rosalinas Spare Wand on December 30, 2012, 11:43:58 PM
The show is on Netflix now, shall I put myself through it?
Can it really be worse than Spider-Man Unlimited?
Yes.
It's way worse.
You know Spider-Man & His Amazing Friends? Imagine a show full that wants to be handled the same way as that, but without the fun or camp, as written by the staff of The Cleveland Show.
Add in some pointless hero worship for the Avengers, gross character inaccuracies, and gruesome animation, and this is what you end up with.
I tried to watch this show. My bro tipped me on the fact that it was a pure suckfest, and he was right. Drake Bell voices Spidey, and he's fine, but the format blows several chunks.
@Avaitor: I'd amend your statement about the writing and suggest it was written by WWE rejects. To say that it was written by the guys on The Cleveland Show would be an insult. To The Cleveland Show, not that I'd actually cop to watching, 'cause I don't watch it, but I can think of worse writing.
I saw the first two or so minutes of an episode that came on after the season final for Tron Uprising. Stayed long enough to witness a cut away gag.
:shit:
So it's business as usual.
You know a show is shit when the AV Club drops it.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on January 30, 2013, 08:10:53 PM
So it's business as usual.
Pretty much, yeah.
Quote from: Avaitor on January 30, 2013, 08:14:09 PM
You know a show is shit when the AV Club drops it.
I don't think there's any low this show could sink to that it hasn't hit already.
Yet it continues to surprise...
I just watched an episode that implied a relationship between Jeph Loeb's son and Aunt May.
http://www.deadpoolbugle.com/2013/06/deadpool-to-be-in-ultimate-spider-man.html
The episode is written by Joe Kelly, AKA the greatest Deadpool writer ever. Indeed, the man who truly made DP what he is will be bringing the character down to USM's level.
I just fucking threw up everywhere.