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This April.

You ready?

If it's as bad as other recent Looney offerings, then no. God no.

We don't know how good it is yet. But still, two months is quite a while.

Bugs' design still looks like complete shit, and the banner that was posted doesn't instill much hope for me, but apparently the actual show is supposed to look different than what we've seen(although it doesn't make much sense, but whatever).  These drawings (http://forums.goldenagecartoons.com/showpost.php?p=185486&postcount=53) that John Dorian posted(please quit being so goddamned defensive of the show, please?) are really good though.  I'm still gonna give it a chance, but more than likely after it hits the internet, rather than having to watch CN.

Speaking of, the only way CN is planning on promoting the new show is through Looney Tunes: Back in Action and the premier of Space Jam, rather than a marathon of the classic shorts?  Talk about a kick in the balls...

Really?

Typical CN...

Who cares if it costs a little to air the classics? Buy the fucking rights again, even if it's just for one night.

Quote from: SNES Chalmers on February 13, 2011, 09:25:09 PM
the only way CN is planning on promoting the new show is through Looney Tunes: Back in Action and the premier of Space Jam

What the fuck. This is the worst thing I've read all day. :whuh:

They only air latter-day Dexter too. I don't know why they can't seem to air the good stuff.

Quote from: Desensitized on February 13, 2011, 10:20:50 PM
They only air latter-day Dexter too. I don't know why they can't seem to air the good stuff.

They only started that recently (i.e. after they aired the early Dexter stuff).

I think this week they're also starting post-movie PPG, and for some reason CN won't stop playing the first two seasons of Eds.

Those are okay since they have played the good episodes already since they went back on the channel.

This is unforgivable.

Now it's been moved to May for whatever reason. Oh well, on at least Cartoon Network gave us a sample of what to expect from it.

http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/video/index.html?collectionID=8a250ab02e4e9a23012e594077ff00c5

Out of these clips, I only got a good laugh out of the Basketball one, but I think it's because it kind of reminded me of something I would see on Regular Show, which isn't bad for me, since I love Regular Show and all. But that's the thing, I could have just put Mordecai in the same role as Bugs, and Rigby in the same role as Daffy, and it would have produced the same result for me.

Is it on youtube yet?

Yeah, these aren't feeling very Looney at all.

That's not to day that they are awful, because I got a chuckle or two. But they feel more like something you'd see on any other cartoon series than you would in a Looney Tunes short.

April to May, no big difference.

If you ask me, the humour that The Looney Tunes Show offers is near similar to MAD's, only more random and more memorable.

I got a major kick out of the second clip myself. Count Leopold von Licktenstein is spelled "Bob Jones"? Golly, we'll be in for a good one.  :lol:

I'd still go for some classic Looney Tunes myself after this...  :sly:

Oh, as for Desen's request.

1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY93bQUl0Ys)
2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Bxw6PIOwhA)
3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-pxO9MT5y8)

It's weird. I actually liked them all and found them pretty funny, but not Looney Tunes funny. They have a more modern sense of humor, and not as many physical gags. That we've seen, anyway.

So yeah, I think this will be divisive overall but more depending on your sense of humor, I think. Unless of course there's just a lot more stuff we haven't seen yet that's more old school style humor. Which is very possible.

Either way, it's way better than the last few attempts at a revival, I can at least say that with 100% confidence.

I see you guys compare these to modern cartoons like Regular Show and MAD and while I don't mind these series, that's not the kind of humor I want from Looney Tunes. I like goofy, laid-back humor, but I don't know if I can really handle that with Bugs and Daffy.

I also don't want pop culture-obsessed humor like we got from the Silver Age shows. Or half-assed Jones and Avery tributes like everyone tries to do.

I don't really know what I want from these new cartoons, but I don't think I'll get it either way.

I want new Looney Tunes, because I want Bugs, Daffy, and the gang to continue to live on for generations to come, and if the best way to get kids interested in them again is a new series, then go for it.

I also want them to be good. I'm not impressed so far, but I'll give this show a shot regardless.

I think that's really the problem, no one really knows what we want from a Looney Tunes show anymore. Even the people in charge of them.

That's probably why we've gotten so many weird things over the years like Tiny Toons, Space Jam, Loonatics, Duck Dodgers, those awful shorts, Back In Action, and now this. None of those are really all that much like classic Looney Tunes, and when they try to make them like that, they end up sucking worse than even Loonatics.

I just hope there's more of the classic style in this show, even if they haven't really shown much yet. Perhaps they're trying to hook the Regular Show/MAD style audience first? I don't know yet.

But I'll continue to hope for it regardless.  :>

Honestly, at this point, I'd handle a Regular Looney Tunes Show if CN could air some of the original shorts again. Even if they only do a marathon before they air.

Sure, it might cost CN a little to buy the rights back, but it's fucking Looney Tunes. These need to be on TV again, and a channel that no one gets like Boomerang won't cut it either.

Hell, one hour would be fine. I'd totally take something like this:

"Hillbilly Hare"
"Daffy Doodles"
"Tweetie Pie"
"Zoom and Bored"
"A Fractured Leghorn"
"Beanstalk Bunny"

Seriously, that would make for one sweet hour of cartoons.

I wish. An hour of Looney Tunes (new show with old shorts for an hour) would be awesome for both the franchise, and for us.

Finally got to see these fucking things, since I'm having a few Internet issues(just relocated to Virginia) and I've had to rely on my phone, and since iPhones still can't play Flash, I couldn't watch them on CN's site, instead I used the YT links that are floating around here, as well as TZ and GAC.

Anyways, I didn't find the clips all too terribly funny, but I also don't think they are completely terrible either.  Yeah, they don't have the classic spirit, but I think it could work.  The one thing I didn't really like, aside from Bugs' voice, was that they were kind of boring; like others have said, the lack of music was way noticable, but I guess it is supposed to be there in the actual show.  Right now, I'm still holding to the wait and see road, and hopefully it turns out to be at least a little better than this.

It looks like CN is going to air Looney Tunes again after all, but they only have it scheduled for Monday right now, and at two different times- a half-hour slot at 6 AM, and an hour at noon.

I'm kind of annoyed that they're airing it so early again, when older kids can't watch, but now that I only have one class on Monday's and Wednesdays, I can easily watch the 12 PM airing, and just DVR what I miss. Even if I couldn't, it's still better than nothing, and maybe we can get a marathon before the show airs.

Kind of random, but I guess I'll take it.

Wanted to put this in my earlier post, but forgot it.

Anyway, I hope CN sticks to this mantra again (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXq6pS8msbc). I really miss that age.

Pretty awesome, even if it only proves to be a month or so.  I'll more than likely be able to catch quite a bit of this, since I'll be up at 6AM anyways(my alarm is perpetually set to go off at 5:45, even if I don't actually get out of bed until 6:30).

And I actually kind of like the noon slot. It'll lead right into Tom and Jerry at one, which leads into EEnE from 2-3. Provided I'm home from class by noon(which on most days I should be), that will end up being a solid three hours of programming, and it's rare that you get that these days.

Watching "Ballot Box Bunny" now, the first Looney Tunes short I've seen on Cartoon Network since New Years Day of 2009.  What a way to start a day. ;D

Now, where's my bowl of Berry Berry Kix?

Goddamn alarm. I got it adjusted for the time change, but had it set at PM instead of AM for some reason. We had a power outage the other week and I guess I got confused after resetting it.

Would've recorded it, but my guide is still behind, and thought that Ben 10 or some other shit was on. I'll record the 12:00 show before I head out.

Anyone else notice they brought back the old bumpers, circa-2002? Pretty cool, if I say so myself. You don't often see stuff like this brought back 9-years after the fact.

Man, it'd be so great if this actually became a permanent fixture on CN again. I'm not expecting it to last beyond the premiere of the new series, but one can always hope.

Yeah, been catching those. I never actually saw any of those bumpers back in the day, but they definitely would fit right in at the time.

I still record the noon airings every day. Although I do wish they would cut back on Bugs a little, I'm still pretty happy that the cartoons are airing on the regular network again.

I vaguely remember the bumpers as well(the earlier ones on shows like The Bugs and Daffy Show and Acme Hour are the ones I remember best), but then again 2002 was right around the time I stopped watching Cartoon Network to begin with.  According to Wikipedia, the 2002 series that used these bumpers before was billed as simply The Looney Tunes Show, and I think that's kind of what they are doing with it now, although I am kind of curious why the "Coming up next" dealy shows clips from the new show.

I still mainly am only able to catch the 6AM airings, and sometimes part of the noon one; I'm lucky to see the whole show at 12.  And yeah, a lot of Bugs, but not only that a lot of 50's and even early 60's Bugs.  Even with the bad prints CN uses, there really is a pretty big difference between the Bugs in the Avery/Clampett era, and the Bugs in the Jones/Freleng era.

Also, they aren't taking very many risks here either.  Most of these shorts are the standard run of the mill already on the Golden Collections shorts

Today was the first time that an Avery short aired. During an all Bugs hour, no less.

Ive actually been keeping tallies up of  all the cartoons that have aired by director and character. I might share those tomorrow when I have two weeks worth to compare with, but I'm pretty sure that either Jones or Freleng will win in terms of directors, and Bugs is by far the winner when it comes to stars.

Have they aired a Foghorn Leghorn cartoon yet? At all?

Granted, I've missed a couple episodes, but I have yet to see one of these shorts. This has definitely been an all Bugs fest, and they're really missing out on some good stuff so far.

"I say, I say, that's a joke son, that's a joke".
"Gal reminds me of the highway between Fort Worth and Dallas; no curves"

Nope, no Foghorn. No Pepe, either. Daffy's pickings have been pretty slim, as well, and they haven't aired any Road Runners since last week.

It's mostly Bugs and Tweety right now, with a "Feed the Kitty" airing or two added in every now and then.

http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/looneytunesshow/index.html (http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/looneytunesshow/index.html)

The website for the new series is now up, including character profiles, and a bunch of new clips.

Already posted a big long speech about this it over at TZ, so I'll basically summarize here; everything looks pretty good, minus a couple of quirks. Bugs still sounds... not so great, and I'm not really feeling the new Speedy voice either. Most of these clips are all still way too heavily relying on dialogue, as well. This is a Looney Tunes project, so I really hope they're not going to be afraid to throw some slapstick in here. Heck, if they don't, that'll be rather disappointing.

Still, I am really looking forward to it. It's not perfect, but it definitely looks like a quality production all around, and not a steaming sack of garbage like Loonatics. If they could fix a few of those problems I've outlined above (more slapstick, better Bugs impression, etc.), it should turn out great.

I'm still hoping for the best on this.

Still getting a Regular Show vibe from this. Not that it's a bad thing, but it's not really Looney Tunes' style. Like Desensitized, I am also hoping for the best, since I thought that most of the clips that I watched was funny.

Am I the only one who actually finds the Marvin the Martian clip hilarious?  Granted, it is in the wrong sense, and it almost seems like the troll type of video that Daft would link to...

But still, it got me laughing.

I'M A MAAAARTIAN!  I GOT A LAAAASER!

Shoot where I have been. Their showing this again!  :o

Looney Tunes was always a big part of daily cartoon line-up back in the day! Nice to see it back!



Marvin the Martian for the best Looney Tune! :devil:  ;D

Quote from: Aurora on April 07, 2011, 03:00:07 AM
Marvin the Martian for the best Looney Tune! :devil:  ;D

Nah. Marvin's cool and all, but when it comes to Looney Tunes characters(at least when Bugs and Daffy are taken out of the picture), a certain Southern loud-mouthed chicken pwns all. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LCsiWL6gn0)

It would be pretty hard to rank Marvin as the best Looney Tune character, since he only has 5 cartoons from the original cartoons, and he was a supporting character to either Bugs or Daffy in each of them.

I liked those cartoons as well as Marvin in general, but he wouldn't make my favorites list.

If I had to pick my favorite Looney Tune character, it would be a tie between Daffy, Foghorn, and Elmer Fudd. Because they're all great characters that manage to make me laugh more.

It starts tonight.

Who's watching?

I may want to set my alarm up for this!
What time by the way? I checked, it's 8PM EST.

I am so waiting for this! Everyone back at ToonZone is as well.

We can all hope for the best. ;)

And the result? ...meh. Didn't deserve the endless bitching Thad and Darth gave it before it even aired, but not something that I'd take the trouble to watch next time. Overall, Jeff Harris can best say it.

"It wasn't as good as I'd thought it'd be & it's not as bad as the critics say it is. It's like a honey graham cracker. Dry, but sweet."

If you ask me about The Looney Tunes Show, it pretty much feels like a Looney Tunes equivalent of Tom & Jerry Tales in my views.
Still likable, but I'd rather stick to the classic Looney Tunes these days.

End result: 3.5 out of 5
I was expecting more trippy humour myself. Maybe when the series progresses I assume...  :whuh:

It was pretty forgettable, but it honestly wasn't Loonatics or BLT level.

Gumball however, was pretty awful.

Here are my thoughts. (http://skyfireaboveicebelow.tumblr.com/post/5179540343/the-looney-tunes-show-episode-1-opinions)

I missed Gumball, BTW.

You didn't miss much. (Though I seem to be the only one who thinks so)

I agree with you. I think my biggest problem with Daffy was that he was too stupid, whereas I always thought Daffy's appeal was has slight ignorance and his craziness not the fact that he was brain dead.

On the plus side, well, they no longer used the beyond tired arrogant asshole personality that I never liked.

Again, the weakest aspect was the actual writing. Every criticism leveled at modern writing in the thread I made applies here, only instead of trying to be edgy, they toned it down to rated G levels giving it the distinct honor of being one of the few cartoons that would be exactly the same in live action as animation. That is, IMO, its most glaring flaw.

I see people tearing this a new asshole and others overpraising it due to how "real" it is, but the simple truth is that if this didn't have LT characters, it would be getting the reaction it currently deserves, and that's completely forgettable. Hire better writers ASAP, dump the boring humor, and start making trends instead of following them.

On the plus side, I liked the designs and the animation, the art was pretty neat. The writing however, really dragged it all down.

Still doesn't top Duck Dodgers overall, but easily better than Loonatics and the baby crap.

Already posted my thoughts about it on TZ:

http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showthread.php?t=282007&page=6 (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showthread.php?t=282007&page=6)

Scroll down to post #113; basically sums everything up, as far as my feeling go. Not great, by any means... but as I've gone on ad nauseum about there, not nearly as bad as some are making it out to be, and definitely not as bad as freaking Loonatics. Quite frankly, I was a little insulted by Raven's review; Boris' and Zeus' were fine, but his just... I dunno, it just bothered me. Either he didn't actually watch Loonatics back when it was on, or he clearly doesn't remember it, because that was, BY FAR, the worst Looney Tunes series ever; not this. Nothing else comes close; not even that baby series, or, again, certainly not this (which, as I said, I didn't even think was all that bad; it was more boring than bad).

If they make it less boring, it really won't be that bad of a show. Not, you know, anything to write home about, but still; they can make this work. The writing just needs a LOT of help, at this point, and a good helping of slapstick and anvils thrown on top certainly wouldn't hurt, either. This is Looney Tunes (or, supposed to be), after all.

I can see Speedy's point of view, detaching this from the LT brand... What does this show really offer?

If they won't be using classic slapstick LT humor, then their dialogue based humor better be the fucking best dialogue based humor we've ever seen, just as its slapstick was in order to make it acceptable. But it's not. That's my main issue. Its too safe and too soft for that, and the writing really needs to kick it up several notches.

It's not even close to the worst thing to have the Looney Tune name, but that doesn't mean it isn't generic and needs an identity of its own. That grill cheese song for example, reminded me of a bad (re: recent) SNL skit, and that's just not going to cut it.

On another note:

For those who want classic LT humor... Well, I don't think you can have it with these characters any more. For the simple reason that no matter what they do with these characters, they will be outshone and inferior to what the classics accomplished. Its a simple fact that no one wants to listen to, but its true.

The best you can hope for is another Animaniacs or TTA type of show that uses the same sense of humor and goes in new directions with new characters. Why WB refuses to do this is beyond me, but it worked great for them before, I'm not sure why it wouldn't now.

My thing is that not only is this a pilot, but there is actual effort put into the show, unlike Loonatics and BTL. This wasn't very good for a Looney Tunes show or an unrelated show, but I already can see room for improvement, potential, and some interest in keeping true to the characters.

If anything, maybe the show just needs better writers. Too bad we can't get silver age writers back on.

That's the main reason I'm being so critical about it; because it could easily be a good show.

A this point it's crucial they get a strong start out of the gate or it might fumble and screw the franchise again for another few decades of crap.

They desperately need to pick it up and FAST.

Thoughts on episode 2 here. (http://skyfireaboveicebelow.tumblr.com/post/5376953920/the-looney-tunes-show-episode-2-opinions)

I'm thinking it's going to take at least a season for the show to get on the right track. It really feels like a first season of people throwing stuff at the wall to see what works.

Yeah, probably. I might be more forgiving than I should be, in hindsight.

Well, the Merry Melodies definitely suck so you're not too far off.  :sweat:

There are all kinds of great song writers in the field of animation, they should try tapping some of them for this show. The ones they got just aren't very good.

The Elmer one was just creepy, and Marvin's relied on the novelty of a martian rapping to trance. Neither were very funny or memorable, and piss me off more than anything.

I still think the Marvin one is funny, even though yes it is annoying, retarded, and likely one of the worst things ever done with a Looney Tunes character(the Yosemite Sam one was worse I think, and I haven't seen the Elmer one).  Mostly the level of retardedness is what makes it hilarious to me, the fact that some one could actually write something that is that bad and proceed to waste studio money to produce it for television.

Haven't seen the actual show yet though, for obvious reasons, but that time will come, and I'm sure my displeasure will be right there alongside it.

And Kiddington... it may be just me, but don't take anything Radical Raven says seriously.  I don't really know her all that well myself, but from what I have seen from the chats and the logs on TZW, she's not really a person that is worth listening to.

Dodo's a dude. And a dum-dum at that.

I don't know when he got so full of bitterness and smarm, but his review of the LTS was easily the worst of the 3. Pretty embarrassing, really.

Well, i've finished watching both episodes, and i'm really struggling to find good points about them.  Marvin Martian's VA seemed pretty solid, but he was only featured in a two minute song segment reminiscent of the old CN bumps.  However, since it was four times the length and not produced by an actual musician, it was incredibly painful.  The rest of the voices just have flashes of what the characters should sound like.  I think the only reason Jeff Bergman was allowed to voice Bugs was because he got 'What's Up Doc' down really good.  Otherwise, the rest of his dialogue is painful.  Daffy is also often questionable at times, again by Jeff Bergman.  Joe Alaskey has been voicing Daffy for pretty much every animated incarnation of him over the past ten years, yet was replaced.  Since they have the same VA, it often makes the banter between Daffy and Bugs really weird cause they sounds pretty similar.  The animation and designs are generally solid, but why did they make Bugs purple?  Also the design for Daffy's love interest looks pretty horrible as well.  Although the initial preview clips for the Roadrunner cartoons looked awful, they noticeably improved with their debut in the second episode.  However, it's still CGI which is really dissapointing after seeing the characters in 2-D for over 60 years. 

Despite these shortcomings, the biggest problem with this is the format.  It's like they decided to use this library of crazy personalities, and then thrust them into a sitcom.  They warped Bugs to be the 'straight man', which does not make any sense whatsoever based on the previous history of the character.  It seems like Bugs and Daffy are the main stars with the rest just 'there', which is really a waste.  Did they just decide that creating three 7-minute shorts reminiscent of the Looney Tunes of old wouldn't work nowadays?  I'm pretty sure Tom and Jerry Tales stuck to the same formula it has had since it started and that was recieved pretty well.  The sitcom style writing is boring and incredibly predictable, and i've only laughed out loud once each episode.

For a show that was suppossed to get Looney Tunes back to its roots after 'Loonatics' and 'Baby Looney Tunes', it has failed miserably so far.  I would like to say it is because these were the first produced episodes, but I find that highly unlikely.

He was trying too hard to be funny. That was my problem with his review and every review he has on the site in general. It's up to the point where I consider him to be the Armond White of the toonzone review crew in that he has no idea what he's talking about. There, I said it and I'm not taking it back. To be honest, it was a close race between him and Hellcat for that title, but that's mostly because I take a hint if Hellcat likes something, I won't (IE Gundam stuff), but if he doesn't like something, I will (Hetalia's English Dub).

I found that both episodes were more funny than the review he gave. At least there was something about Maxie's and Speedy's review that clicked with me and that I agree with. That and they weren't going out of their way to make a joke in every other sentence in every paragraph.

It's weird. Part of the time, it seems like the staff really cares about the characters and are able to make a good show with them. Then it seems like the writers have never seen a Bugs or Daffy cartoon and think that giving them chemistry similar to any other comedic duo will work, but their cartoons have never been like that at all. And then there are times when it feels like the scripts would be more appropriate for a show with original characters, or maybe even a Flintstones reboot or something. But then I just sit back, think about the jokes and plots, and realize that they're very bland elsewhere.

There's potential to be good, but I don't think it will hits its stride any time soon. With the ratings the show is getting now, it should be on for a while, so there's potential for that.

Something tells me that there is executive meddling at play in a lot of this. Corporate mascots usually have a lot of rules that people need to abide by when using them. That doesn't really excuse from the writing being so formulaic, but it does explain it.

Oh yeah, and Chalmy, don't watch the grill cheese song. That shit is embarrassing.

Oh, I'm sure there definitely is some meddling in there. At least, I hope the crew didn't intentionally want to tone down Bugs' character to an awkward voice or reason or bring back Lola and make a new girlfriend for Daffy.

Count me in as one of the guys that laughed at Marvin's song, if only due to the sheer stupidity of the whole thing. Where as Fudd's ode to grilled cheese just creeped me out more than anything, Marvin's ballad was so ridiculous and so unbelievably campy, I couldn't help but laugh at it. "IMMA MARRRRRRRRRRTIAN. WITH A LAZZZZZEEEEERRRRR".  :happytime:

...but yeah, in saying that, I still wouldn't say this is a good thing. Just because I laughed doesn't mean I've giving it the seal of approval. To say the least, this isn't exactly the kind of humor I want from Looney Tunes characters. We're only two episodes in, and I'm already feeling the air of disappointment surrounding this show. I dunno; I guess I'm just a bit of a pessimist more than anything, but it's not doing a whole lot for me, at this point. I don't think it's the worst thing in the world, mind you (and it's still a lot better than fucking Loonatics... Jesus H. Christ, Raven), but given the talent on this crew, it could be soooooooooo much better.

I think it comes down to if you find blandness more offensive than outright crap. I can see people who would, but I just can't force myself to care either way. Still, 'bland and inoffensive' and 'Looney Tunes' shouldn't go together so easily like this show does.

Though, I still hate the songs. There's really no excuse for those being so bad.

The first episode was pretty bad. I don't know what possessed them to make Daffy so obviously self-centered and stupid.

I only tuned into the 2nd episode because 1. I wanted to confirm that this show sucks. 2. I watched every new episode with my little brother. Thank God, episode 2 was actually pretty good. They did the annoying date bit perfectly. So I guess I'll be tuning in to episode 3 with my baby brother.

Oh yeah, forgot to post this (http://skyfireaboveicebelow.tumblr.com/post/5595968603/the-looney-tunes-show-episode-3-opinions).

This show is improving, but I'm just not really feeling it, yet.

It is getting better, I will say. A remarkable improvement for this weeks episode, compared to the first two; I actually laughed consistently last night, whereas the first couple of episodes were just  sporadic chuckles, if anything.

...but yeah, I agree on the Merry Melodies; those are absolutely killing the show right now. No matter which way you slice it, they are downright embarrassing. Forget the fact that Looney Tunes characters are serenading their undying love for grilled cheese; take Elmer Fudd out of the equation, and that song still sucks. Hell, these all still suck. Nobody could make songwriting this bad sound good.

I laughed too, but I don't really felt like I laughed at or with Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck, just any other cartoon characters with their faces on them. That's better than groaning throughout like I did in my head during the first episode, but it still feels so artificial to me.

Yeah, I'm gonna keep my second season guess. It's going uphill (I don't think anyone can really argue there), but I feel it will take until the second season for it to really hit its groove.

And get better songwriters.

Okay, the Merry Melodies really have to go. Last night's was especially painful.

The rest of the episode was okay, though. Although I can't say I like Sam's voice too much here.

Finally got around to watching the recent episode. Same as always, but the songs remain absolutely awful.

Seriously, either drop them or get better writers.

Anyone have an example of what makes the songs so bad? Haven't seen any of this show.

Do not watch while eating:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxu75V4HHAk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxu75V4HHAk)

Oh my god.

On the plus side, no Merry Melodie this week. Gossamer and Daffy's singing was painful enough.

The rest of the episode was average as usual. Daffy actually had some pretty good lines, but I don't really like Bubbie from Flapjack as Witch Lezah (seriously, just call her Hazel again and bring June Foray back) or the little kid as Gossamer, and the subplot didn't do much for me. Also, I thought the Road Runner short was a step down from the first one.

I downloaded the first six episodes of the show(how many have aired so far?), and except for the filler bits, I actually kind of like what I've seen.  I don't really know why, but I think it works, and while it ain't the classic shorts, it isn't terribad either.

I would kind of like to know why Bugs drives a Toyota Prius, or why after years of bitching, the voices/accents for both Speedy and Pepe are really stereotypical, perhaps even moreso than their original voices.

Heh, good points. Speedy's voice rubbed me the wrong way the moment I heard it, myself. It is a little stereotypical.

As for this week's ep, I thought it was aight as usual, at least from what I remember. The constant Batman namedrops seemed a little out of place for the show, though, even considering the one for Superman in the first episode.

So I heard Yesterday's episode was a hold-over from when the show was known as Laff-Riot. I haven't seen it yet, but I thought that one factoid I see being spread around on toonzone was interesting. I'm getting on that right now.

Casa de Calma (the Laff Riot holdover) was excellent. That, IMO, is how this series should be handled. It was almost perfect; lots of slapstick, and the writing felt very akin to the Silver Age days... which, given the crew involved, is something I've been waiting quite a long time for.

Couple of the jokes were stale and repeated wayyyyy too often once again (bad trend I'm noticing so far; they really beat some of these punchlines into the ground), but otherwise, it was pretty darn good. Unfortunately, I can't really say the same for the one episode I've seen since. Apparently it was back to the drawing board from there, and the Taz episode that followed was mediocre and rather underwhelming (ala, pretty much like every other episode before Casa de Calma).

I'm ashamed to say that I missed Foghorn's episode the other night, but I'll try and get on that soon. Haven't seen the reaction for that one yet either, but hopefully it's good.

I agree, that's the direction they should be heading in... But since it's an idea from the scrapped project, I'm not too sure if they WANT to go in that direction.

Also, more crazy Daffy and less asshole Daffy is always appreciated.

That has got to be the best episode of the show so far. I have really enjoyed the last three episodes in general, though. You should check out the new one out as soon as you can, especially if you love Foghorn.

The Taz episode made me give up on the showThe Taz episode made me give up on the show

This... I gave it a chance.

Twice, even. It's just not doing anything for me. The character designs look jagged and I'm not digging anything else either.

I'm still watching it, although I'm gonna be honest and say that the fist fight in the most recent one was off-putting to me.  I guess it's been getting positive reviews, but as I said here (http://forums.goldenagecartoons.com/showpost.php?p=193841&postcount=255) it's really the most out-of-character that they have been in the show so far.  You just didn't see this stuff in the old shorts.

I think if I had to pick favorites, I'd say that I've enjoyed "Fish and Visitors", "Devil Dog", and of course "Casa De Calma" the most.

Make sure you guys watch Casa De Calma before you completely give up on the show. If only because it will give you a better taste in your mouth then just quitting due to boredom.

Though seriously, if that is what Laff Riot was going to be... Fuck you, WB. I want that show.

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Looney-Tunes-Season-1-Volume-1/15616
Fucking seriously?  It's a little too damn soon for this, isn't it WHV?

That's not to mention we still can't get the rest of TTA on DVD, or even half-decent releases of the original shorts.  Bunch of fucking trolls, that company.

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WHY DID THEY HAVE TO REMIND ME ABOUT THIS? :whuh:

Damn, they really want to test the popularity of this show. I probably won't buy it, but it's pretty interesting to see them announcing it.

Seriously, release the rest of Tiny Toons and Animaniacs first. Finish your shit, dammit!

My reaction =  :shit:

What a waste. The four-episode DVD volumes are the biggest waste of time, energy, and resources imaginable; 'twas the case for Scooby, 'twas the case for Batman (Brave and the Bold), and now it be the case for this. Absolutely no way you can justify that $15 price tag, especially when they pick (arguably) four of the most boring episodes of the series to showcase. And you can forget about special features, as the act of any actual effort being put into their DVD releases is apparently out of the question nowadays.

God, I fucking hate WHV. Sometimes, they can be so great (see: Looney Tunes Golden Collection, PPG Complete Series), and sometimes, they just fucking suck more than any other DVD company in existence (see: pretty much everything else not listed above). Yes, they are even worse than Paramount, since at least Paramount doesn't get your hopes up with empty promises and unfinished releases like these cocksuckers do.

Fuuuuuck.  :srs:

Yeah, anything less than a season (or half-season for long seasons) release in this day and age is embarrassing. I still have problems with anime that do the same.

I only buy stuff when I get bang for my buck, and 4-5 episodes for $15-$20 is not a bang. It's a whimper.

Save your money and get this (http://www.amazon.com/Batman-Brave-Bold-Season-Part/dp/B003M8NGLC/ref=sr_1_3?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1310092485&sr=1-3) instead. Three times the content for around the same price.

People are still buying those singles shit?

Quote from: chdr on July 08, 2011, 06:21:30 AM
People are still buying those singles shit?

Evidently.

I've only seen a handful of episodes of this show and while it's far from being the worst thing on Cartoon Network right I really can't find much enjoyment in it. I mean, it's got Looney Tunes characters in it, but it really doesn't feel like Looney Tunes.

One thing I can't stand is how they treat Daffy. Daffy is my favorite Looney Tunes character but in this he's just so... ugh. I know in the classic cartoons Bugs would usually outwit Daffy but who decided that it was a good idea to make Daffy a complete fucking moron in this show? To use an example, I saw the episode where Porky asked Bugs and Daffy to enter his dating auction for charity and Daffy asked what the charity was for. Porky told him "literacy" to which Daffy said that was a good cause because "there's too much literacy on our streets", apparently thinking they were talking about litter. They then had to explain to him what literacy was to which he said "Well, in that case, count me in! O-N, in!"

He can't even spell "in"? I don't find this funny. I just find it annoying. 

I guess they decided they needed a dumbass to contrast with Bugs being a wiseass, but I don't like it. :whuh:

Agreed. What they've done to Daffy in the new series is basically a full-on character assault. The degradation level of his intelligence is simply astounding. I mean, he was always something of a dumb character in the original shorts to begin with, easily played by Bugs 9 times out of 10 (rabbit season, duck season... you get the picture), but it was never this bad. He was still a coherent figure that was capable of thinking and acting (and spelling) on his own, and was even cunning enough to outsmart the likes of Elmer Fudd, Foghorn Leghorn, etc.

Now... now, in this show, he couldn't even outsmart a rock if he wanted to. It's pathetic, really.

Her third non-Merry Melodie appearance in, and I am really not liking Lola on this show. She may have more personality as a stalker/oblivious chick than she did in Space Jam, but that doesn't mean that she's at all funny.

And honestly, if they had to change her character so much, they shouldn't have used her at all. If this was my show, there would be no need for her or Daffy's girlfriend character.

Yeah, I know they had to give her a personality to make her funny, but... she's still not funny.

And she kills the pacing of every scene for her comedic moments. That's just not right.

Welp... it's been over three months since the series premiered. Almost hard to believe, really.

Any new thoughts, at this point? Better? Worse? Or have we all just given up on it by now, writing it off as yet another flawed, failed Looney Tunes revival?

Getting quite a bit of fun over how it pisses off some of the Golden Age anoraks. But besides that, the show's just mediocre for me.

I want to know why it was retooled, because so far everything salvaged from Laff Riot is way better than the newer stuff.

I haven't watched the show in a while, I think the last episode I saw was the Foghorn Leghorn one.  I still don't think it's terrible, and while there is things I don't like about the new show(such as the fisticuffs scene in the aforementioned episode), I think it's biggest crime is that it's kind of boring.  There's really nothing to make it stand out amongst other cartoon shows.

Quote from: Desensitized on August 15, 2011, 06:44:13 PM
I want to know why it was retooled, because so far everything salvaged from Laff Riot is way better than the newer stuff.

That's the question I ask myself every single time I watch it.

The original concept was leagues better. I mean, leagues better. The sitcom format isn't terrible, but it really does bore me to tears more often than not. The Laff Riot holdovers, meanwhile, are great, and almost feel exactly like a truly modernized Looney Tunes short. Why can't we get that version on a consistant basis?

Really, if this weren't a quote unquote "Looney Tunes project" (and was instead just a new concept with random characters), I would have already given up on it by now. It's not "terrible" by any means, and the GAC crowd that calls it "worse than Loonatics" are full of it, but it really is a boring show, all things considered. Rarely do I find myself laughing as much as I should.

I've stuck by it all this time later, so I don't see myself throwing in the towel now. Not yet, anyway. It goes without saying, though; it could be soooooooooo much better. Lot of wasted potential.

I tried watching last week's episode, since I was behind. I gave up after a couple of minutes, and deleted this week's from my DVR. Also canceled my recording for next week's.

I'm tired of giving the show a shot when it keeps on doing so little right. And I'm fucking sick of Road Runner cartoons being in every episode when these new ones aren't at all funny. Maybe I'll try again at some other time, but I don't see a point in trying to keep up with it right now.

My dad watched this show once, and laughed, saying it was the same thing as the Looney Tunes he saw when I was little. That said, he neither speaks English nor knows much about cartoons, but it still shows that the series has at least some appeal.

Honestly the only real issues that I have with The Looney Tunes Show are the lack of slapstick, Bugs being so neutered (as in a straight man/rabbit), and the lack of background music. Hopefully, Spike Brandt and Tony Cervone have been listening to viewers' complaints and will fix some things for the shows' 2nd season.

I don't know if anyone here has been watching The Looney Tunes Show lately, but season 2 has definitely been a step up from season 1 so far (and I personally don't think that season 1 was all that bad). Last night's episode "Customer Service" saw the return of Bugs' old nemesis, Cecil Turtle, here portrayed as a jerky customer service rep for a TV cable company who enjoys selecting random customers and basically messing with them. His latest target is, guess who? After getting trolled by Cecil during much of the 1st half of the story, Bugs utters his famous line "Of course you know, this means war!", and then proceeds to mess with Cecil to get the turtle to turn his cable back on, via being 3 steps ahead of Cecil and donning disguises, and also with a little help from Daffy, who gets a job at the cable company when he finds out that he can annoy people and get paid for it!

This was the best episode of season (so far). It featured humor similar in style to the old shorts and is the best portrayal of Bugs since season 1's "Jailbird & Jailbunny". This ep was even better than "Casa DeCalma", IMHO. Let's have more episodes like this one, please.

I saw the episode where Bugs chipped his tooth and Lola didn't want him to be in the family photo because of it.  The one thing I noticed is the art style has changed, all the backgrounds used to be more detailed, now they are more abstract, similar to a 50s Chuck Jones short.  Thought it was kind of interesting.

And yeah, Bugs is grey again.

Fun fact: June Foray, who had done voice work on the original Looney Toons shorts, is STILL voicing Granny at 95 years old! A recent episode I saw had Daffy getting piano lessons from Granny with fun results. While her voice is now somewhat seasoned (not necessarily a bad thing when considering the character), it's still very distinguishable and a real treat to hear. Nostalgia for the win!  

Yep, that's her. Pretty awesome.

I would say that I'm disappointed that she's not voicing Witch Hazel as well, but eh, near the end of his life, Mel Blanc had to drop Yosemite Sam and Foghorn Leghorn. I can see how Hazel would be a little much for her now.

Haven't seen any season 2 eps yet, and eventually, I'll catch up via On Demand.

One of my favorite season 1 eps was more Granny-centric. They gave her a backstory as a secret agent, for cryin' out loud! That was wacky in and of itself, but then I find they cast the Progressive insurance babe to voice Granny's younger self. Ohhhh, man! Talk about underrated!

Sad to say, but as has been discussed by some of us over at ToonZone, season 2 is the end of the show, which is just plain lame. Apparently, CN suits think the audience is more interested in in-house creations like Regular Show, which is fine, don't get me wrong, or Gumball (which I'm not a fan of) over Bugs, Daffy, and co.. I just don't get network suits.

Quote from: Avaitor on June 14, 2013, 04:30:27 PMI would say that I'm disappointed that she's not voicing Witch Hazel as well, but eh, near the end of his life, Mel Blanc had to drop Yosemite Sam and Foghorn Leghorn. I can see how Hazel would be a little much for her now.

Seems that a lot of people were more surprised at Warner Bros' decision at changing Witch Hazel's voice as a black woman. I was surprised only at first but the change grew on me with time.

And with Yosemite Sam having a personality which is so aggressively loud, "Great horny toads," a person would really need to be in good physicial condition to bellow out such rantin and ravin.

Just had to post this vid... Mel Blanc interview by David Letterman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeAM1vwEcFg). Mel was so hilarious, a natural at what he did best.  :worship:

Quote from: hobbyfan on June 23, 2013, 02:12:26 PMSad to say, but as has been discussed by some of us over at ToonZone, season 2 is the end of the show, which is just plain lame. Apparently, CN suits think the audience is more interested in in-house creations like Regular Show, which is fine, don't get me wrong, or Gumball (which I'm not a fan of) over Bugs, Daffy, and co.. I just don't get network suits.

You have to be kidding me..
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And here I was just starting to get into this latest Looney Toons incarnation. Yes, it's become a lot like a sitcom now, but this is the best I've seen of these characters on TV in a long time. Damn it.. O_o

Have mixed feelings about this really.  I wasn't the biggest fan of the show, but if CN doesn't have faith in the show then what's saying they have faith in the characters at all?  Don't really want to see a similar situation that we had for years where the network was afraid to run the shorts because they don't think people are interested in them.

And I thought that, despite the lukewarm reception from a lot of people, the show got pretty decent ratings.

Just to clear things up, The Looney Tunes Show wasn't canceled, per se. Evidently, Warner Brothers and Cartoon Network never intended to go beyond 52 episodes for The Looney Tunes Show. CN ordered 52 episodes in order to keep the LT characters relevant and fresh in the viewers minds and also because 52 is the magic number for a show to get a weekday run, so the network could run the series throughout the week, but CN only ordered 52 episodes and that's all that WB gave them (It's the same deal with Scooby Doo: Mystery Incorporated, btw). The shows' ratings are strong, so if CN ever wants more episodes of TLTS, they could easily order more.

Anyways, new episode tonight: "The Shell Game". This is another "Bugs VS Cecil Turtle" story. I'm going to watch this one because "Customer Service" was one the single best episodes of the series (so far).

I thought the magic number was still 65? Few shows these days ever go beyond that.

It seems to go either way, really. 52 is the kid's show equivalent to 88.

Well, for a daily series, 65 episodes is the equivalent to 13 weeks, but many animated shows are getting a daily run after only 52 eps now. To name another example, there were only 52 episodes of Marvel's The Super Hero Squad Show. Basically, networks want enough episodes so that they can run them all in the course of 6 months to a year without repeating.

52 episodes is standard length for most decently popular cartoons these days. While I've enjoyed The Looney Tunes Show as a new take on the characters (and probably the best one since Duck Dodgers ended), it never could match up to the spirit and energy of the original and suffered some problems because of it's sitcom-y setting. But it was a good show and fun while it lasted and I just hope that we won't have to wait too long before another good take on the Looney Tunes comes along.

Thanks for your insight Goldstar.
So it appears there's still some possibility for a continued run of the series. I do want to see it continue for a little while. Just have to hope the writers won't screw things over too much and make me regret it.


But if I were running things, Daffy would be less pathetic of himself and moved out of Bug's house. His financial situation still wouldn't be great but would be good enough to get him by; He would only be nearly broke as opposed to his current completely broke status. He would instead become Bug's annoying neighbor who tends to wear out his welcome from time to time. Speedy can stay at Daffy's house upon which Daffy can collect rent money from him - Speedy can't be hurting for cash considering he's in the restaurant biz these days.

I just don't agree with Bugs carrying Daffy around like he currently does. He needs to put his foot down and grow some carrots.



Got to hand it to Tina, however. She's not with Daffy for the money!

Quote from: Lord Il on June 26, 2013, 06:17:12 PM
Thanks for your insight Goldstar.
So it appears there's still some possibility for a continued run of the series. I do want to see it continue for a little while. Just have to hope the writers won't screw things over too much and make me regret it.


But if I were running things, Daffy would be less pathetic of himself and moved out of Bug's house. His financial situation still wouldn't be great but would be good enough to get him by; He would only be nearly broke as opposed to his current completely broke status. He would instead become Bug's annoying neighbor who tends to wear out his welcome from time to time. Speedy can stay at Daffy's house upon which Daffy can collect rent money from him - Speedy can't be hurting for cash considering he's in the restaurant biz these days.

I just don't agree with Bugs carrying Daffy around like he currently does. He needs to put his foot down and grow some carrots.



Got to hand it to Tina, however. She's not with Daffy for the money!

Those are good suggestions, Lord Il, although I don't necessarily think that Daffy needs to move out of Bugs' house, since I like the idea of this 1 house being the centerpiece of the mayhem and the home base for the central characters. I would keep Daffy and Bugs as roomies but make the situation between them more balanced. Instead of Daffy being broke and living off Bugs, the 2 of them could more equals. Bugs could still make the most money, but Daffy wouldn't be completely dependent on him.

Another thing that I would do differently is to go back to having shorts (either two 11 minute shorts or three 7 minute shorts per show) rather than each episode being a 22 minute story. The Looney Tunes characters just seem to perform better in shorts, as the shorts don't need to be so plot heavy. With those, you have a premise, a series of gags and a punchline, which is all you really need. The Looney Tunes shorts were never heavy on plot, nor did they need to be. In many cases, the "plots" were little more than set-up for the jokes.

Last night's episode was another great episode. I really like the show's take on Cecil; he makes for a fun antagonist, probably the smartest one the franchise has ever had. I was quite surprised when he pulled out the gun. I can't believe standards and practices allowed that to happen, but it was a pleasant surprise nonetheless. In any case, I hope the last six episodes are just as entertaining and send this show off on a high note.

Quote from: Goldstar on June 26, 2013, 08:31:51 PMAnother thing that I would do differently is to go back to having shorts (either two 11 minute shorts or three 7 minute shorts per show) rather than each episode being a 22 minute story. The Looney Tunes characters just seem to perform better in shorts, as the shorts don't need to be so plot heavy. With those, you have a premise, a series of gags and a punchline, which is all you really need. The Looney Tunes shorts were never heavy on plot, nor did they need to be. In many cases, the "plots" were little more than set-up for the jokes.

Agreed. This current sitcom format works but only to a point. The pacing/length of the episodes is making things feel too dragged out. I'm yearning for more slapstick comedy from these characters which shorts can surely deliver.

Quote from: Cartoon X on June 26, 2013, 10:08:41 PM
Last night's episode was another great episode. I really like the show's take on Cecil; he makes for a fun antagonist, probably the smartest one the franchise has ever had.

Just saw this episode last night. Well, well... I do believe Cecil's evil smirk become a tribute to Chuck Jones' character design for The Grinch That Stole Christmas for a sec! Wonderful!!  :swoon:

Quote from: Cartoon X on June 26, 2013, 10:08:41 PMI was quite surprised when he pulled out the gun. I can't believe standards and practices allowed that to happen, but it was a pleasant surprise nonetheless. In any case, I hope the last six episodes are just as entertaining and send this show off on a high note.

That surprised me as well with how stringent things tend to be these days. WB has demonstrated that they've grown some balls. But, hey, if Cecil can pull out a gun and point it at both Bugs and Porky, I say Yosemite Sam should get his revolvers back to shoot at his smoke alarm when the low battery warning sounds. I mean... c'mon.

And with that said, I wouldn't be surprised if this episode never airs among the reruns again. Such a thought makes me sad. But.. who knows.


Some other fun things featured were the mentioning of the infamous "Corinthian Leather" term to describe the material of Daffy's recliner. This description of leather was created by an ad company which Ricardo Montalban was hired to help advertise for Chrysler many moons ago. While the term sounds cool, in reality, such a type of leather is debatable of even existing. This always gives me a chuckle whenever I hear this term used.

Also, in the Merry Melodies segment, a playful reference to The Kinks' - "Lola"
Nice!

From what I saw of season 1, Daffy & Bugs as housemates is just a knock-off of The Odd Couple, but without Daffy being an Oscar Madison-esque slob (I think). Taz could be used better than being the house pet, though.

Quote from: hobbyfan on June 29, 2013, 01:51:28 PMTaz could be used better than being the house pet, though.

Well, the last time WB tried to portray Taz as an anthro a la Bugs, Daffy, Porky et al in Taz-Mania, the studio caught heat from a pressure group who accused them of using the character as a way of poking fun at kids with Down's Syndrome. Making Taz-Boy a pet was probably the best way the writers could work the character into this show's domesticated setting.

I don't mind pet Taz that much myself, as it gave us season 1's "Devil Dog" and season 2's "Ridiculous Journey", 2 of the best episodes of the series, IMO.

Quote from: Silverstar on June 29, 2013, 03:55:57 PM

Quote from: hobbyfan on June 29, 2013, 01:51:28 PMTaz could be used better than being the house pet, though.

Well, the last time WB tried to portray Taz as an anthro a la Bugs, Daffy, Porky et al in Taz-Mania, the studio caught heat from a pressure group who accused them of using the character as a way of poking fun at kids with Down's Syndrome. Making Taz-Boy a pet was probably the best way the writers could work the character into this show's domesticated setting.

I don't mind pet Taz that much myself, as it gave us season 1's "Devil Dog" and season 2's "Ridiculous Journey", 2 of the best episodes of the series, IMO.

First I'd heard of the controversy over Down's Syndrome. What bunch of know-nothings made up that claim?

the superman(rabbit) episode that just went off was pretty good and actually a decent deconstruction of the character.

Looks like it's getting DTVs now. (http://collider.com/looney-runes-rabbits-run-trailer-teases-new-animated-movie)

Judging by the trailer, it looks like they are reusing the character designs from the show, but it's not connected to or set it the same universe as the show itself.

Anyways, looks pretty fun. I'll keep an eye out for it.

When the fuck did Lola become a favorite?

I saw nothing in the news story that said it was connected. Did it say so in the trailer I didn't watch?

Edit: If it's good as the Daffy Duck Zod movie, then count me in.

Quote from: gunswordfist on May 04, 2015, 12:17:49 AMWhen the fuck did Lola become a favorite?

This show completely revamped Lola from the blank slate we saw in her Space Jam days. People either love the new Lola or hate her.

Funny enough, she was a total idiot from what I remember.

Kids love silly characters. Hence the popularity of SpongeBob and Patrick. TLTS Lola may be a Valley Girl flake, but at least here she has a personality and is, you know, loony. The LT franchise has no use for an unfunny character.

Those characters are actually good though. :thinkin:

I thought Lola was made into a fun airhead for The Looney Tunes Show. I thought it worked well.

I've only seen her on one episode before I stopped watching. Maybe I needed to see more.

Quote from: gunswordfist on May 05, 2015, 05:47:30 PM
I've only seen her on one episode before I stopped watching. Maybe I needed to see more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plCqn8Eap-k
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