This is something that's been on my mind for a while, but I think that jokes aside, we all know that we are far from perfect people, either on or off-line. I figured it'd be healthy for some of us (mostly me....probably only me) to admit some of our own faults that we know we have just for the sake of getting it out and reminds us of things we could improve on. Also, as per usual I was extremely bored lately (I can't read Excel Saga right now because I can't find a single quiet room in the vacation condo to enjoy reading), so this was the only new thread idea that I could come up with.
I will basically just list my top 5 negative aspects that I can improve on:
5. I have a tendency to over-explain things- I'm a dude who actually hates vast and needless amounts of explanation in any form of writing, which technically makes me a huge-ass hypocrite because I'm guilty of doing that shit all the time. I guess I just get paranoid that people will mistake anything I say, so instead of summing up the gist of what I want to say in a sentence or 2, I waste entire paragraphs essentially babbling on about the same thing. What I mean is that, rather than just getting out with what needs to be said, I add in unnecessary details and just end up sounding repetitive, which....oh, fuck, I'm doing it again, aren't I? Well, moving on....
4. I have a tendency to UNINTENTIONALLY be a douche to other members on this board- Sometimes I can be trying to get a certain point across to other people that I disagree with, but hold no ill will towards. However the way some of the stuff I write comes off makes it sound like I am completely disrespecting another member's opinions entirely. I'm most guilty of doing this to Foggle and Avatior. My bad, guys. :(
3. I am extremely defensive- This is a problem that I have both on and off-line, and many people have pointed it out to me. Whenever I have an opinion of mind challenged, I immediately overreact in most cases and end up taking shit way too seriously with my response, and end up trying to make myself out to sound perfect in my logic and usually end up helping to ignite an unnecessary argument. Its something I try to improve on, but honestly I haven't made much progress in that area. Its just kind of in my nature, I suppose.
2. I have a tendency to INTENTIONALLY be a douche to other members on this board- Yeah....you all know how sometimes I'll attack another member when I feel that they have largely insulted one of my opinions (even though most of the time I should just learn to move on and not give so much of a fuck about it). Then I will be unfair and harsh and say things that I don't really mean about the other user. This is the opposite problem from me being defensive. Its me being a complete ass and taking the offensive on people who most of the time don't deserve my scorn just because they may hate something that I like, or express some other opinion that I shouldn't really feel offended by but am. Usually I immediately regret my harsh words soon afterward, but I'm mostly too stubborn to apologize. I'm most guilty of doing this to Dr. Insomniac and Desensitized/Spark of Spirit. Yeah, you guys should just ignore me whenever I do that again. It'll make me feel like an even worse ass, and then that thought should make you guys happier. :humhumhum:
1. I AM BIASED AS HELL ABOUT ALMOST EVERYTHING!- Whether it be video games, movies, anime, books, or whatever, I tend to already have an idea of what I like and what I don't like and don't leave myself open to much else despite pretending that I am. This is something that I genuinely try to improve on, but the bottom line is that I'm a very picky person when it comes to entertainment, even though in some respects I feel really open to many kinds of entertainment. Now, to be fair, I do genuinely feel the way I do about things and don't just make uninformed opinions on stuff. So, when I say I'm not a fan of most 3rd party games or don't like certain movies or anime, that's really how I feel. Its just that I often-times let that bias cloud my judgement and give harsher opinions of such stuff that may really insult the opinions of other members, even though those works are perfectly fine on their own, which in most cases they are. Its just that sometimes I don't make the distinction between genuinely good or bad design from what just does or does not appeal to me. Also, sometimes I let my bias stop me from trying certain shows out altogether. For instance, because of all of the hype that Madoka Magica got from annoying fanboys, I didn't give it a chance for a good long while because I somehow convinced myself that I wouldn't like the show and it would be overrated. Completely nonsensical, I know, but that's how I felt about it at the time. Then I finally watched the show and it was really good. And then I realized that I was just being biased up until that point. Its a major fault of mine that I really want to get rid of more than anything else. To be fair, I think I have become substantially lest biased since my TV.com games, so there is hope for me yet. :thumbup:
And, those are basically the main faults that I am at least aware that I have. Feel free to offer me up some more constructive criticism of what an awful user I am....no, but seriously, I'm fine with any criticism.
And since this is a self-criticism thread, you guys can feel free to list anything you might perceive as your own faults. I just really wanted to get this stuff off my chest all of a sudden, so that's why I created this thread. Now that I have a physical written list of these things, maybe I can work towards improving myself at least a little bit.
I am lazy as fuck.
Good thread idea! I actually wanted to post something like this about myself as well, so here we gooooo...!
I hate how abrasive I've been in the past towards, well, pretty much everything. Rereading some of my older ARticles, I still find them funny, but they're also very mean-spirited, which I know from experience is extremely obnoxious to the people who actually like whatever it was I was bashing. Not only that, it represents a style of humor I've grown to hate over the years, which is why I tend to outright avoid Blip reviewers and such whenever possible. Reading the writings of other anime bloggers spouting bullshit about shows I enjoy, and reflecting upon my own work as a creator, I've come to realize that insulting the product of someone else's imagination, instead of actually criticizing it, is petty and disgraceful, no matter how bad your perception of said work may be. It alienates everyone except those who completely agree with you, and just generally kills the mood and your credibility.
Of course, this also applies to the general way in which I have expressed my opinions. Recently, I've attempted to be more positive and constructive in my comments and forum posts, because I really do dislike the way I used to write online. It reminds me of those awful, humorless people on Reddit/Tumblr/GameFAQs/etc. who treat their own word as law and would rather see someone kill themselves (seriously) than disagree with them. That shit is immature and terrible, and makes me upset, especially because I used to behave like that. So, I apologize to anyone who may have felt insulted by something I've said in the past, and please know that I really do feel bad about being so abrasive.
Quote from: Rosalinas Spare Wand on May 05, 2013, 10:32:20 PM
I am lazy as fuck.
And yeah, so am I. :lol:
I let overwhelming paranoia and unfounded pessimism get in the way of the finer things in life.
I have a very, very short temper. I get mad easily.
Quote from: Foggle on May 05, 2013, 10:47:48 PM
I hate how abrasive I've been in the past towards, well, pretty much everything. Rereading some of my older ARticles, I still find them funny, but they're also very mean-spirited, which I know from experience is extremely obnoxious to the people who actually like whatever it was I was bashing. Not only that, it represents a style of humor I've grown to hate over the years, which is why I tend to outright avoid Blip reviewers and such whenever possible. Reading the writings of other anime bloggers spouting bullshit about shows I enjoy, and reflecting upon my own work as a creator, I've come to realize that insulting the product of someone else's imagination, instead of actually criticizing it, is petty and disgraceful, no matter how bad your perception of said work may be. It alienates everyone except those who completely agree with you, and just generally kills the mood and your credibility.
Honestly, I never felt like your reviews were ever as bad as most of the negative reviews you find on sites like That Guy with the Glasses, in which most of it boils down to obnoxious ranting than actual criticism (people like Doug Walker, Lindsay, and Linkara are the exception, rather than the rule). That said, I do think that you have become a better "critic" with experience in writing your articles, so the quality has definitely gotten better over time, but I still didn't find your old stuff to be as tasteless and mean-spirited as other reviews in the same vein. As for me, I need to learn how to do some negative reviews, because I don't fathom that I would be very good at actually criticizing something. Its a lot harder than it looks to properly convey the legitimate faults that you feel any particular work has, so I commend you and the other AR reviewers for being able to write critical articles at such a competent level. :thumbup:
QuoteOf course, this also applies to the general way in which I have expressed my opinions. Recently, I've attempted to be more positive and constructive in my comments and forum posts, because I really do dislike the way I used to write online. It reminds me of those awful, humorless people on Reddit/Tumblr/GameFAQs/etc. who treat their own word as law and would rather see someone kill themselves (seriously) than disagree with them. That shit is immature and terrible, and makes me upset, especially because I used to behave like that. So, I apologize to anyone who may have felt insulted by something I've said in the past, and please know that I really do feel bad about being so abrasive.
The funny thing is, I've actually found you to probably be one of the most chill members on this board or any site that I have been to. Of course everyone on this board, aside from myself, are pretty well-tempered from my perception. But I also notice that out of all of the members on this board, I've probably ever had the least arguments with you. That may just be me, but I generally notice that you have always been good at avoiding serious arguments and heated debates whenever possible. I think I've only ever really clashed with you 2 times ever in regard to serious disagreements (one time was with that KND argument we had, and the other was with the Sonic Adventure games). In contrast, I've had many more arguments with Desensitized, and even Avaitor, though my arguments with Avaitor have never really gotten heated, either, and I don't think I've argued with him about anything in well over a year, or maybe even more than that.
Well, in regards to the KND thing, I do have a tendency to talk out of my ass and argue things as I remember them rather than how they really were. Like, there were certainly a few disgusting episodes of that show, but most of them weren't, and I was mostly basing my opinion on the outliers, which I personally found to be more memorable. So I can see why that argument happened. ;)
I think you seem like a pretty chill guy as well, unless you feel insulted by someone, which is understandable. It's quite easy to be rude to people, especially online, and not even realize it. Often I will read things people say as a personal attack, even when they are clearly (to everyone else) not meant as such. Because of that, most of the time, I get why you'd jump on someone for what they say. So don't be too hard on yourself about that, it's human nature for people to defend themselves.
I love all of you. Honestly, you guys make Animation Revelation the most chill forum I've ever frequented.
Think I'll join in with you guys and post some of my own self-criticisms.
- I feel as if I really suck at explaining and clarifying things. Like, if one of you guys asks me a question, I'll try overly hard to make my point and just go on and on to get across the point I'm trying to make. So I guess I too have the tendency of go into great detail to explain things. However, when I do so, I frequently end up looking back on my longs posts and thinking "... That probably just looks like a bunch of gibberish". :sweat:
- This is something that I like to think I've improved on over the years. But in the past I've had a tendency to get... "hot headed" during debate. This is something I feel bad about, because I feel like I've done it to all of you guys at least at some point during my time here. And ultimately, it just comes off as obnoxious spite. Again, I do believe that this is something I've been getting better at not doing lately. But still, this problem of mine has definitely cropped up here, and it's probably still shown itself within these past few years. So most importantly, I would like to take the opportunity to apologize to anyone here that I've given a hard time to.
To your first point, I pretty much have the same problem, so you're at least not alone on that one.
And to your 2nd point, at least we can both say that we've come a LONG way since back in our days at TV.com. ;)
-I have a tendency to be uber-critical of things that I don't care for. Also, I seem to have a knack for pissing people off. Sometimes I'm not even aware that I'm doing it. I have a bad temper and will sometimes fly off the handle when it's not necessary at all. I get very defensive when I think someone is criticizing me, and so I'll often push back hard, which is not a smart thing to do. Many of you are already aware of this, because that's what got me kicked off of Toon Zone.
-More recently, I've taken to stop and think about what I'm about to say before I type something publicly, but still I may on occasion type something in fury which will inevitably come back to bite me in the ass. In my defense, however, I like to think that I've gotten better in the last 2 years.
-I'm incredibly lazy.
I did not notice this thread.
Which makes my number one being that I have a tendency to miss things I should have noticed. Which goes in well with my annoying trait of trying to lone wolf things instead of working with others and not slowing down when I probably should. I'm sort of stubborn, I guess.
They're all things I work to fix, but those are probably my top problems.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on May 05, 2013, 11:17:20 PM
The funny thing is, I've actually found you to probably be one of the most chill members on this board or any site that I have been to. Of course everyone on this board, aside from myself, are pretty well-tempered from my perception. But I also notice that out of all of the members on this board, I've probably ever had the least arguments with you. That may just be me, but I generally notice that you have always been good at avoiding serious arguments and heated debates whenever possible. I think I've only ever really clashed with you 2 times ever in regard to serious disagreements (one time was with that KND argument we had, and the other was with the Sonic Adventure games). In contrast, I've had many more arguments with Desensitized, and even Avaitor, though my arguments with Avaitor have never really gotten heated, either, and I don't think I've argued with him about anything in well over a year, or maybe even more than that.
I actually enjoy discussing things with you because you don't come off as a jerk. Or at least I know you well enough by now to know when you're serious or kidding. Even when we don't agree I tend to see where you're coming from and try not be overly annoying about my position. I realize I fail at that sometimes, however. :sweat:
That's the thing with this board is that even when I disagree with someone on here we (usually) seem to be able to seriously discuss it without resorting to personal attacks or dismissal of trains of thought.
To be honest, that's probably why this is the only message board I post at anymore.
Quote from: talonmalon333 on May 06, 2013, 12:35:44 AM
I love all of you.
<3
AR: One moderately-sized happy family.
Better a smaller-sized board full of members and a staff that respects and generally likes each other than a giant board with an increasing decreasing userbase and lowered levels of respect any day.
As for what I don't like about myself, I have securities up the yin yang (and don't even ask about my yin yang), I'm highly opinionated, prefer dogs to people, and I'm too lazy to expand on anything or finish
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on May 06, 2013, 12:55:43 AM
To your first point, I pretty much have the same problem, so you're at least not alone on that one.
And to your 2nd point, at least we can both say that we've come a LONG way since back in our days at TV.com. ;)
You're right there, on both accounts (Though I think your long posts ultimately succeed at getting your points across, whereas mine are just a mess with maybe a point hidden
somewhere in there. :P). It just hit me how long ago TV.com was for all of us...
I think I owe the biggest apology to you, E-K. In the early days of Animation Revelation I feel I've gone beyond "hot headed" and just became purely obnoxious, like with all those PMs I used to send you, how I would instigate trouble, take our debates way too seriously, and all of that. At this point, I feel like it's fairly distant now, and I've long since come to look back and see just how immature I tended to act. Hopefully I've really gotten better over the last few years, as better as I like to think I've gotten.
Quote from: Foggle on May 06, 2013, 06:13:00 PM
<3
AR: One moderately-sized happy family.
<3 That's exactly why this place is great. We don't have the biggest community, but the people we've got here are all cool. Whereas I've come on gone with some other forums on the internet, I always come back to this one. If I could point to one forum that's quality > quantity in terms of forum members, it would be this one. :thumbup:
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 06, 2013, 06:07:28 PM
I actually enjoy discussing things with you because you don't come off as a jerk. Or at least I know you well enough by now to know when you're serious or kidding. Even when we don't agree I tend to see where you're coming from and try not be overly annoying about my position. I realize I fail at that sometimes, however. :sweat:
That's the thing with this board is that even when I disagree with someone on here we (usually) seem to be able to seriously discuss it without resorting to personal attacks or dismissal of trains of thought.
To be honest, that's probably why this is the only message board I post at anymore.
Yeah, when I think about it, despite our arguments in the past we have always been able to have a mutual respect for each others' opinions, and I don't just mean between you and me, but between most of us here in general. I attribute that the fact that this is a small board with more personalized and well thought-out discussions, so we have all gotten to know each other pretty well and can generally sense when someone means what they say or not during their more heated moments. This board is actually a really great way for me to relieve my stress by talking about things that I like. There is no other board on the Internet where I could do this. In fact, most other places have tons of users who I probably don't even want to know better, and many things I read from ignorant posters can downright infuriate me, which doesn't exactly help my stress.
I'm just glad to have this board around. Its WAY better than TV.com, and while I've never been an avid Toon Zone member, I can safely say that this board is far more friendly and interesting than that board ever was for me.
I also like how each member on this board seems to have a lot of knowledge on subjects that I actually give a shit about when it comes to this forum. Desensitized is pretty much our resident classic video game expert, and I love having members interested in many of the classics. Foggle is a great person to talk to in terms of video games and anime, among other things. Avaitor is the guy I tend to go to when I want to have discussions about movies since he's probably the biggest film buff on this board. And of course, Dr. Insomniac seems to just have a huge knowledge-base about movies, anime, and animated series in general, and I like how he's never actually shown to look down on any of my opinions. :thumbup:
Talon is a good old buddy of mine from way back on TV.com and shares the same enthusiasm for YYH that I do, which is a big deal to me, and pretty much every other member on this board is really interesting to have conversations with in one subject or another. Its no wonder I'm always so fucking addicted to this place. A fun fact is that I actually spend far more time on this message board than on any other Internet website at all.
Let's see, where to start?
Like E-K, I hate when people over-explain things, and the fact that I find myself doing that frequently kind of pisses me off.
I tend to be unnecessarily harsh on things I don't like, and tend to be annoyingly praising of things I do like. Those from TV. com already know this about me.
Over the years I've developed a reputation for being overly critical, negative, egotistical and mean-spirited, which I hate because I'm nothing like that in real life. I'm actually a very chill, good natured person who likes to laugh, but I'm also a very factual person who wants his opinions to be taken seriously, and on some of the forums I've been on I'm reluctant to joke on because the other people there either can't take a joke or simply don't recognize a joke when they hear it. Often when I try to joke on Toon Zone I either piss someone off or get a poke or an infraction from a mod for insulting another member. So I often forgo the jokes in favor of the cold hard facts. But even when I've politely disagreed with someone, I've been accused of being "passive-aggressive" (again this was mainly on TZ.) Someone on either TV Tome or TV.com once referred to me as "a pissed off prick", and I've been desperately trying to shed that image ever since. For a long time I've refrained from voicing my opinions out of fear of causing a shit-storm.
For a good while (as recently as about a month or so ago) it's been brought to my attention that I've been carrying a huge amount of negativity on the boards I'm on and have been holding a lot of grudges against other members; no one here, but on the other forums I'm on, Toon Zone in particular. So around late February or March I've been trying to re-invent myself to be more lighthearted, more positive and more fun. I'm trying to not be so critical of others and I've been trying to inject more humor and fun into my posts while sticking to the 'truth bombs'. I'm tired of being seen as the no-fun poster whom everybody hates.
I... I just noticed that your name is Ensatsu-ken, not Ensatsu-kun.
And for that I apologize. :unimpressed:
After the talk about our whole group here and TV.com, know what this thread has made me realize? I've known some of you guys since I was only 15 years old... I mean, that hit me like a ton of bricks. I'm 22 now. It's been seven years. That means I've spent roughly 1/3 of my entire life with you guys.
Quite a long time.
I'm a hell of a lot more abrasive than I should be, and that has cost me a great deal of potential relationships or personal gains. It's a bit like Doakes from Dexter, where I have a gut-feeling that my way is the right way, yet can't express the matter politely or even subtly.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on May 26, 2013, 11:04:01 PM
I'm a hell of a lot more abrasive than I should be, and that has cost me a great deal of potential relationships or personal gains. It's a bit like Doakes from Dexter, where I have a gut-feeling that my way is the right way, yet can't express the matter politely or even subtly.
Same. I have trouble expressing matters in general, really.
Quote from: Rosalinas Spare Wand on May 05, 2013, 10:32:20 PM
I am lazy as fuck.
This too.
I let people's snide remarks towards me cut way deeper than they should. I usually hold grudges for a long-ass time, even for things that the other person would have forgotten a long time ago.
I am far too lazy for my own good, to the point that it has hurt me in college multiple times.
I constantly swing between a superiority complex and an inferiority complex, and it makes me feel like a coward half the time when I can't back myself up.
I've been rejected and hurt by women so much throughout high school and college that I actually kind of get off of leading some woman I know likes me on, and then turning her down before anything can get serious as some sort of pathetic revenge against all the women in my life who said no. That and I find that I'm genuinely uninterested in most women beyond their bodies and obsess over the sexual aspects of a relationship too much.
That last one's been kind of digging at me for the last 6 years now. But as I said in the other thread, all the women in my life I legitimately would like to date (because they really are fun to talk too, and/or we have the same interests) are already taken or just not interested. It gets a bit aggravating after a while.
Quote from: Nel_Annette on June 02, 2013, 01:24:17 AM
That last one's been kind of digging at me for the last 6 years now. But as I said in the other thread, all the women in my life I legitimately would like to date (because they really are fun to talk too, and/or we have the same interests) are already taken or just not interested. It gets a bit aggravating after a while.
Yep, that's basically my love life in the past few years, myself.
Quote from: Nel_Annette on June 02, 2013, 01:24:17 AM
That and I find that I'm genuinely uninterested in most women beyond their bodies and obsess over the sexual aspects of a relationship too much.
As sad as it is for me to admit this... I'm pretty much the exact same way.
I came to the conclusion a few months ago (after having been on a few dates again following a long dry spell) that I'd make a terrible boyfriend, which is pretty much why I've all but given up at this point (and probably why it's for the best that I haven't been in an actual long-term relationship to this point). Not in the sense that I would physically harm anyone (God knows I wouldn't, I'm not that kinda guy at all), but in the sense that I'm way too selfish in how my spend my time, who I spend my time with, and things of that nature. I don't listen very well, I tend to monopolize conversations with women... I don't know why I do these things, I just can't help it. Really, the aspects of a relationship beyond sex and maybe cuddling (physical intimacy, basically) bear no interest to me whatsoever. I know that sounds like a terrible thing to say aloud, and probably makes me come off as a colossal douche, but I guess that's just the way I'm wired. I'm not a romantic at all, I'm generally disgusted by the notion of PDA's... I dunno, man.
You know, I was really feeling lonely and bad about myself for a long time there (you guys remember, I'm sure), and honestly, looking back on it, I have no idea how and why that came about. Beyond basic sexual desires, the things that come with a relationship just don't do it for me. I've always naturally been a loner (yes, I have friends, but I still generally prefer to keep to myself the majority of the time), and I think it's probably best, at least for now, to stay that way. Unless she's the absolute perfect match for me (and I can still hold out hope for that), I just can't see myself being happy with too many people.
Quote from: Nel_Annette on June 02, 2013, 01:24:17 AM
That last one's been kind of digging at me for the last 6 years now. But as I said in the other thread, all the women in my life I legitimately would like to date (because they really are fun to talk too, and/or we have the same interests) are already taken or just not interested. It gets a bit aggravating after a while.
This as well, to a certain degree.
That's another thing, to which I've alluded to above; I'm extremely picky. I've been on my share of dates the past couple of months here - all of them seemingly worse than the last - and I just cannot see myself "settling" for someone (and this go way beyond looks, trust me; I'm not THAT superficial. I can't stand having to force a conversation with someone; if we can't even talk about things that we both supposedly like, how can this be expected to work?). I suppose in my position, with some of my character flaws (internal and external), I shouldn't be this way, but it is what it is I guess. I know what I want, and I'd rather not settle.
Welp... now that we've got all
that out in the open, try not to think any less of me okay? :sweat:
Quote from: Kiddington on June 03, 2013, 12:14:04 AM
Really, the aspects of a relationship beyond sex and maybe cuddling (physical intimacy, basically) bear no interest to me whatsoever. I know that sounds like a terrible thing to say aloud, and probably makes me come off as a colossal douche, but I guess that's just the way I'm wired. I'm not a romantic at all, I'm generally disgusted by the notion of PDA's... I dunno, man.
You know, I was really feeling lonely and bad about myself for a long time there (you guys remember, I'm sure), and honestly, looking back on it, I have no idea how and why that came about. Beyond basic sexual desires, the things that come with a relationship just don't do it for me. I've always naturally been a loner (yes, I have friends, but I still generally prefer to keep to myself the majority of the time), and I think it's probably best, at least for now, to stay that way. Unless she's the absolute perfect match for me (and I can still hold out hope for that), I just can't see myself being happy with too many people.
I'm extremely picky. I just cannot see myself "settling" for someone (and this go way beyond looks, trust me; I'm not THAT superficial. I can't stand having to force a conversation with someone; if we can't even talk about things that we both supposedly like, how can this be expected to work?). I suppose in my position, with some of my character flaws (internal and external), I shouldn't be this way, but it is what it is I guess. I know what I want, and I'd rather not settle.
Welp... now that we've got all that out in the open, try not to think any less of me okay? :sweat:
I'm sure not going to turn my nose up at you or anyone else here. The unique way I'm wired, I'm hardy in a position to cast stones.
I've never been interested in romance or romantic relationships, at least not beyond the base desires. Not even as a kid. Dating and the like have never been a priority to me. It's like that portion of my brain is just stuck on OFF. Also, I'm extremely particular and my tastes are very eclectic. Nearly all of my cousins and peers are or have been married and have kids, and I just hold no interest in that sort of thing. I know my folks and aunts and uncles probably think that there's something seriously wrong with me, but that's just the way I'm hooked up. Unless I meet "The One" (assuming such a person even exists for me) I don't even waste time and energy thinking about pursuing a relationship. I'm not about to settle, and I'd rather be alone and be who I am (whatever you call what I am) than get myself locked into a relationship that I'm not feeling just so the public at large and my family won't consider me weird, 'cause I already know I'm weird.
I often let the entertainment factor of stuff I watch get in the way of the quality and substance.
I am often under-explained-I'm too succinct something (then again my brain is wired that way-to distill knowledge down to the basic and simplest meaning)