Cowboy Bebop is a classic show with excellent music and action, plus a dub that still holds up very well.
Gen Urobuchi is a good writer who can utilize mature storytelling without resorting to absolute nihilism to get his point across.
-Dragon Ball is a true classic that deserves its recognition as not only one of the best shonen anime ever, but should also be regarded among the best of the best as far as all anime classics go.
-Even though I have quite a lot of problems with the current run of the manga (its slowly getting better again, though), One Piece honestly deserves most of its vast popularity. I think you guys who put it down just don't find the appeal in it, which is fine, but when Oda does it right, its a legitimately good series for what it aims to be.
-The "moe" genre is shit with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.
-Summer Wars kicks ass.
-Most older shonen series are generally better than almost all of the new stuff that comes out. Its not nostalgia talking. Its not just appreciation for them for being old and setting the standards of many future shonen series to come. Its not even ignoring many of the flaws that they do have. It just is what it is, in that on the whole, flaws or not, they are generally better written than and far better executed at whatever they set out to do than at least 99% of most modern shonen series that come out today. Stuff like Yu Yu Hakusho will always, always, ALWAYS be better than something like Bleach or Beelzebub. The few naysayers just wouldn't know quality entertainment if it bit their dick off.
-Trigun is awesome and Wolfwood is the most badass preacher in all anime
-Madoka is a well told story that puts a lot of modern anime to shame.
Ouran High School Host Club>almost any other anime in its range
Um, is it a popular opinion to like Ranma 1/2 more than InuYasha, and like Urusei Yatsura more than either of them?
In any case,
- Yu Yu Hakusho is the best anime adaption of a children's manga ever.
- One Piece is the best children's manga currently running.
- Bleach's best arc was the Soul Society arc, and everything after it has been total shit.
-Cowboy Bebop is a masterpiece and one of the greatest anime cartoons television series ever made.
- Cowboy Bebop has the best soundtrack of any anime cartoon television show ever.
- Urusei Yatsura is a classic anime comedy that deserves it's lasting popularity in Japan to this day.
- Urusei Yatsura: Beautiful Dreamer is the best Urusei Yatsura movie.
- Pokemon's first season, despite it's flaws, is still the most enjoyable season of the entire series, although the series as a whole is still mediocre.
- Case Closed is awesome and it's sad that the series did not catch on here in America.
- Dragonball GT isn't very good.
- Madoka Magica tells an intelligent and thoughtful story that outclasses most of it's peers aiming at the young girls demographic.
- Trigun's anime is slightly better than it's manga.
- Ouran High School Host Club and Fruits Basket are the best young girls' anime and manga.
- School Rumble is hilarious and should have gotten a full third season.
- Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo's anime should not have been cancelled for the reason that it did.
- Tenchi Muyo's first two ova series were the best of it's franchise.
- Evangelion was Gainax's best anime.
I can't really think of many more of the top of my head right now, but I'm afraid I might have already said unpopular opinions instead of popular ones in any case. Oh well. :P
Quote from: Cartoon X on May 13, 2013, 07:50:34 PM
- Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo's anime should not have been cancelled for the reason that it did.
Why was it cancelled?
Quote from: Foggle on May 13, 2013, 08:00:16 PM
Why was it cancelled?
From what I heard, japanese soccer moms complained to TV Asahi that the show was inappropriate for children because it's main characters were not good role models, what with them beating up and abusing each other in comedic ways and whatnot. Also because the series had quite a few sexual innuendos and other risky jokes that were also not considered appropriate for a children's series.
There are SO MANY other Shonen Jump series that are guilty of all of those claims. Why the hell was Bo-Bo singled out?
Well...not many other Jump series have main characters who crossdress frequently, have gay subtext jokes with each other, beat each other up in violent ways, most of the time spontaneously, fight with nose hair, and have the sorts of facial expressions the series had. It is also of note that the manga is anime is adapted from is even more over the top with it's violence and innuendos and in fact seems more oriented to older audiences than 7-12 year olds a lot of the time (although at it's core it is meant to be a children's manga). And unlike other series like One Piece and Bleach that have lots of violence but do it in a dramatic way that shows consequences (to some degree) and preach good values like never giving up and the value of friendship and whatnot, Bobobo avoids or subverts such tropes for comedy, and in fact makes fun of a lot of those concepts as part of it's many (often subtle) jabs at the general formula and tropes of shonen action-adventure series.
I honestly don't know why Bobobo of all shows was cancelled for content over other series, especially since in Japan Bleach premieres were aired alongside Dora the effin' Explorer of all things, but I know from what I heard that Bobobo got solid ratings before it was taken off and that the reason it was pulled was said to be from parental complaints. :??:
I will say that I'm surprised the Dundie character (the pair of underwear with a Duck's head and neck...yeah) in Bo-bobo even made it on American television without being edited.
Here's another one:
-FUNimation is easily the best company in regard to releasing quality English dubs and also in terms of packaging their DVDs into really convenient bundles. There's a reason why companies like Geneon and ADV have went under while FUNimation has been among the few North American anime distributors to still stay alive. Of course, FUNi started out with a terrible DBZ dub, but they have quickly improved since then over time.
Shonen is addictive. I plan on watching all non-filler Naruto if I ever get a chance. I was going to say Bleach but I see how that could drive me crazy.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on May 13, 2013, 07:09:22 PM
-Dragon Ball is a true classic that deserves its recognition as not only one of the best shonen anime ever, but should also be regarded among the best of the best as far as all anime classics go.
-Even though I have quite a lot of problems with the current run of the manga (its slowly getting better again, though), One Piece honestly deserves most of its vast popularity. I think you guys who put it down just don't find the appeal in it, which is fine, but when Oda does it right, its a legitimately good series for what it aims to be.
-The "moe" genre is shit with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.
-Summer Wars kicks ass.
-Most older shonen series are generally better than almost all of the new stuff that comes out. Its not nostalgia talking. Its not just appreciation for them for being old and setting the standards of many future shonen series to come. Its not even ignoring many of the flaws that they do have. It just is what it is, in that on the whole, flaws or not, they are generally better written than and far better executed at whatever they set out to do than at least 99% of most modern shonen series that come out today. Stuff like Yu Yu Hakusho will always, always, ALWAYS be better than something like Bleach or Beelzebub. The few naysayers just wouldn't know quality entertainment if it bit their dick off.
Don't most fans think Bleach or Naruto is better? I know there's lots of Toonami era fans but I think the Narutards and etc outweigh us.
Quote from: gunswordfist on May 14, 2013, 03:06:25 PM
Shonen is addictive. I plan on watching all non-filler Naruto if I ever get a chance. I was going to say Bleach but I see how that could drive me crazy.
You should watch all of One Piece. All of it. Every episode and special. In order.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on May 13, 2013, 07:09:22 PM
-Dragon Ball is a true classic that deserves its recognition as not only one of the best shonen anime ever, but should also be regarded among the best of the best as far as all anime classics go.
This.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on May 13, 2013, 07:09:22 PM
Stuff like Yu Yu Hakusho will always, always, ALWAYS be better than something like Bleach or Beelzebub. The few naysayers just wouldn't know quality entertainment if it bit their dick off.
...and this.
I can't even watch like 98% of modern shonen. It's just... all of it is fucking terrible. You can complain about the pacing in something like DBZ, to which you'd have a fair point, but at least there was (usually) enough going on to keep you entertained in the meantime. Only the absolute worst bits of filler, like Namek, made it entirely unwatchable, and those were still few and far between in comparison to the lion's share of newer series. Bleach? Naruto? Ugh, don't even...
Quote from: SSJ Jake on May 14, 2013, 02:38:13 AM
I will say that I'm surprised the Dundie character (the pair of underwear with a Duck's head and neck...yeah) in Bo-bobo even made it on American television without being edited.
Heh. You should have seen how he was depicted in the manga...
Spoiler
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Quote from: gunswordfist on May 14, 2013, 03:10:14 PM
Don't most fans think Bleach or Naruto is better? I know there's lots of Toonami era fans but I think the Narutards and etc outweigh us.
Yeah, I think there are more fans out there who overall think
Bleach and
Naruto are the shit instead of just shit. However, I'm also positive that a lot of these fans haven't actually read or watched any older Jump titles aside from maybe
Dragonball Z, so it's partially a matter of ignorance.
Quote from: Foggle on May 14, 2013, 03:11:14 PM
You should watch all of One Piece. All of it. Every episode and special. In order.
That's...not as bad as I think you want it to sound. :sweat: Yeah, there are almost 600 episodes of the show now with 100 of them being pretty mediocre, but you can watch all of it if you pace yourself in at least six months. Some people, like a couple of friends I have, went through the entire series in 4 or 5 because they were pretty addicted to it. :P
I'm not really a fan of the OP anime in much the same vein that I'm not a fan of DBZ. The manga is just a far better alternative. So in that regard, I wouldn't really recommend the anime to anyone.
As for the movies, there are only 2 OP movies that I find to be at all noteworthy (though, people may disagree with me). There is movie 6 which was actually directed by Mamoru Hosoda, and while its not on par with his other workds, its extremely dark and twisted in a way that's interesting to see applied to something as silly-looking and seemingly light-hearted as One Piece. I also liked movie 10, which once again wasn't anything too special compared to high quality anime films, but for a movie based off of a long-running shonen series, it was surprisingly entertaining for what it was.
Most of the other movies and specials were pretty boring for me, personally, though admittedly I haven't watched all of them, and quite frankly I don't ever plan to.
Quote from: Cartoon X on May 14, 2013, 04:35:53 PM
QuoteDon't most fans think Bleach or Naruto is better? I know there's lots of Toonami era fans but I think the Narutards and etc outweigh us.
Yeah, I think there are more fans out there who overall think Bleach and Naruto are the shit instead of just shit. However, I'm also positive that a lot of these fans haven't actually read or watched any older Jump titles aside from maybe Dragonball Z, so it's partially a matter of ignorance.
Well, I never mentioned Naruto in my post because that was the exception of something that's still really popular with American anime fans. That said, I'm pretty positive that Kubo's terrible writing has pissed so many people off and turned away so many fans that Bleach's current popularity is based almost entirely off of people criticizing it rather than praising it (at least for the post-Soul Society stuff). I'm pretty sure that most shonen anime fans that you talk to these days would agree that a lot of the older classics are far better. There are a ton of ignorant fans that don't know any better, but I know enough to be sure that there are plenty of older anime fans who have a lot of genuine love and respect for the classics for it to be considered a popular opinion that the classics trump a majority of the currently running shonen series.
-Trigun, Cowboy Bebop, and Outlaw Star are excellent must-watch anime with great dubs that still hold up today.
-Yuki Kajiura and Yoko Kanno are fantastic composers
-Samurai Champloo and FLCL have awesome soundtracks.
-Most modern anime protagonists suck donkey cock.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on May 14, 2013, 04:49:44 PM
Quote from: Cartoon X on May 14, 2013, 04:35:53 PM
QuoteDon't most fans think Bleach or Naruto is better? I know there's lots of Toonami era fans but I think the Narutards and etc outweigh us.
Yeah, I think there are more fans out there who overall think Bleach and Naruto are the shit instead of just shit. However, I'm also positive that a lot of these fans haven't actually read or watched any older Jump titles aside from maybe Dragonball Z, so it's partially a matter of ignorance.
Well, I never mentioned Naruto in my post because that was the exception of something that's still really popular with American anime fans. That said, I'm pretty positive that Kubo's terrible writing has pissed so many people off and turned away so many fans that Bleach's current popularity is based almost entirely off of people criticizing it rather than praising it (at least for the post-Soul Society stuff). I'm pretty sure that most shonen anime fans that you talk to these days would agree that a lot of the older classics are far better. There are a ton of ignorant fans that don't know any better, but I know enough to be sure that there are plenty of older anime fans who have a lot of genuine love and respect for the classics for it to be considered a popular opinion that the classics trump a majority of the currently running shonen series.
I'd say Kishi has dropped the ball harder, if only by a little bit. Aizen and Juhabach may be bland villains, but at least they don't spew out lyrics to a Linkin Park song like a certain Naruto villain is currently doing. And then there's Sasuke...
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on May 14, 2013, 04:42:22 PM
I'm not really a fan of the OP anime in much the same vein that I'm not a fan of DBZ. The manga is just a far better alternative. So in that regard, I wouldn't really recommend the anime to anyone.
Most of the other movies and specials were pretty boring for me, personally, though admittedly I haven't watched all of them, and quite frankly I don't ever plan to.
Yeah, I still like the anime adaption for the most part, but these days I also prefer reading the manga over watching it, especially with the post-Impel Down stuff. Still, there are a lot of parts of the early episodes that I still really enjoy and in that regard I can recommend it to people who I know have similar tastes to mine and can tolerate the usual cheapness of most long-running fighting anime.
The movies, like most show-based films, don't do all that much for me, but they are better than the
Dragonball Z movies in that I get can get through them without being either completely bored or annoyed.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on May 14, 2013, 04:49:44 PM
I'm pretty sure that most shonen anime fans that you talk to these days would agree that a lot of the older classics are far better. There are a ton of ignorant fans that don't know any better, but I know enough to be sure that there are plenty of older anime fans who have a lot of genuine love and respect for the classics for it to be considered a popular opinion that the classics trump a majority of the currently running shonen series.
Eh, from my experience, most of the U.S. anime fans that grew up with
Naruto as their nostalgic show instead of
Dragonball Z haven't checked out classics like
Yu Yu Hakusho or
Rurouni Kenshin. The anime fans I know in real life haven't watched real classics like those, and only watch the more popular kind of anime nowadays for the most part. To be honest, I don't know many people who consider themselves "shonen" fans so much as liking what they like from any genre. I have seen more people hate on shonen series outright than the opposite, though. There might be lots of older fans who think the classics are better, but from what I've seen there's also lots of younger fans who like the current crop and aren't interested in the classics, so I'm not really sure where the majority-based popular opinion on this really lies.
Quote from: Rynnec on May 14, 2013, 05:26:46 PM
- Trigun, Cowboy Bebop, and Outlaw Star are excellent must-watch anime with great dubs that still hold up today.
I don't know if I would call
Outlaw Star a must-see personally. I like the show a lot, but I didn't feel that I would have missed out much if I hadn't had watched it either by the end of it.
Quote from: Rynnec on May 14, 2013, 05:26:46 PM
-Samurai Champloo and FLCL have awesome soundtracks.
I honestly can't remember any of the FLCL soundtrack except for "Shooting Star." :P
Quote from: Foggle on May 14, 2013, 03:11:14 PM
Quote from: gunswordfist on May 14, 2013, 03:06:25 PM
Shonen is addictive. I plan on watching all non-filler Naruto if I ever get a chance. I was going to say Bleach but I see how that could drive me crazy.
You should watch all of One Piece. All of it. Every episode and special. In order.
I will. Jokes aside, I've been planning on watching OP, FMP and Avaitor's favorite Gundam.
Same idea as the other one.
Trigun is a classic.
...We already had a thread for this - http://animationrevelation.com/forum/index.php?topic=954.0 (http://animationrevelation.com/forum/index.php?topic=954.0) :sweat:
Anyway:
- Ranma 1/2 is a classic that is far better than any of it's imitators and has just as much to offer modern fans just as much as it did 90's fans
- Maison Ikkoku is one of the greatest romance anime/manga ever made.
- Urusei Yatsura remains one of the most definitive anime comedies and it's influence is still seen to this day.
- Urusei Yatsura 2: Beautiful Dreamer is a masterpiece and Mamorou Oishii's best work.
- Hunter X Hunter is one of the best modern battle shonen currently running.
- Kill la Kill is better than Gurren Lagann (I still love the latter, though)
- Pokemon: Diamond and Pearl is the best Pokemon series.
- Digimon: Tamers is the best Digimon series.
- The Toriko anime was an abomination that butchered it's source manga, which remains one of the most fun battle shonen series currently running.
- Dragon Ball Kai: The Final Chapters is a joke and it's baffling why it was even made, much less why Toei bothered to create two different versions of it.
- Mamorou Hosada is one of the best anime film directors out there and Summer Wars is his best work
- The Wind Rises is the most "intimate" of all of Miyazaki's films
That's all I can think of right now.
Actually I've seen more people who say that they like TTGL better, hence why I posted the same opinion as you in the Unpopular Opinions thread.
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on June 26, 2014, 01:13:32 PM
Actually I've seen more people who say that they like TTGL better, hence why I posted the same opinion as you in the Unpopular Opinions thread.
Really? I see the opposite a lot more. It might just be split down the middle.
Yeah, I tend to see more people preferring KLK to GL these days, which is no surprise since KLK is the new, hip thing around.
What the hell is Dragon Ball Kai Final Chapters?
It's what they are calling the Kai version of the Buu saga internationally.
:SHOCK: It's actually bad? Fuck, I wanted to give Buu saga a try with the Kai version.
Quote from: gunswordfist on June 26, 2014, 06:00:05 PM
:SHOCK: It's actually bad? Fuck, I wanted to give Buu saga a try with the Kai version.
The anime is too fundamentally ingrained in order to substantially change it like Namek.
If you didn't like it before, there was really nothing they could do to make you like it now.
Quote from: gunswordfist on June 26, 2014, 06:00:05 PM:SHOCK: It's actually bad? Fuck, I wanted to give Buu saga a try with the Kai version.
Kai can't fix an arc that was already adapted poorly in the original anime as it was. Give the Buu saga another try in the manga, instead. You'd be far better off.
:'( I'll just wait 20 years when someone else reanimates the whole thing.
No, no, no. Those are all well and fine gripes and all, but the most aggravating problem is that the damn thing is 69 fucking episodes long. The original arc was 92 episodes long in Z. They aren't even cutting down a third the amount of episodes with this! What's more, the music selection and usage is shitty and the re-editing is crap too. And the most stupid thing is that Japan's version is 52 episodes. Yes, it's 17 episodes shorter than the international version. Yes, Toei made two damn versions of this thing for no goddamn reason. That's the thing I'm pissed off about! Kai was supposed to be all about cutting out the filler, and not only is that barely being done, but it's being executed in a way far worse than the original and it's clear Toei cared as little as possible making this shit since they knew they'd be raking in dough anyway since it's fucking DBZ. It doesn't help that even the opening and ending themes in both versions are shit too (well, okay, the japanese version's ending theme is actually pretty cool).
God I hate Toei. If ruining Toriko's good name wasn't bad enough...
This is going into manga territory, but I'm not starting a brand new thread for it:
-The final villain plot twist in Naruto is one of the most godawful pieces of writing in all of fiction, as is most of the final story-arc in general (which, incidentally is over 200 chapters long)
-The epilogue for Naruto is every bit as bad as the notorious epilogue to Digimon Adventure 02, except it has a slight edge over it in that it's unintentionally hilarious
On another note:
-Haikyuu!! (anime) >>>>> manga
It's a generic shonen sports series, but at least the anime improves the pacing, has fluid animation with a sense of style, and has a pretty impressive OST
The epilogue in 02 is so bad. I finished watching 02 in Japanese and it's no better there. It's just as bad in every way. Whoever thought writing that was a good idea should have been demoted on the spot.
However Tri ends up, they need to make it their mission to render that monstrosity non-canon.
The scary thing is that, from the director of School Days, it could end up even worse....:whuh:
Speaking of which:
-School Days is quite literally THE worst anime that I have EVER seen
Well, he did direct some Rayearth, so at least he knows the genre. Grasping at straws, I know, but it's not like I can do much else.
The worst anime I have ever seen is Ninja Resurrection. And I hate ADV for lying to me and telling me it was a Ninja Scroll sequel.
sasuke and aizen have cool haircuts. i have yet to see anything else i like about them though...well except that chidori is cool. that's literally it.
I should probably watch the anime for Haikyuu! at some point, but I'm honestly don't feel very strongly towards the series on a story or character level (it took me like 50-60 chapters until I actually started to enjoy reading it), so it's hard for me to get motivated to do so.
As far as new popular opinions I have go:
- Steel Ball Run is the best part of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.
- Toriko hasn't been very good since the Air arc.
- Kenpachi vs. Gremmy is possibly not only one of the worst fights in Bleach, but in any shonen manga ever. I'm serious. It's THAT shitty.
- Death Parade is the best winter 2015 anime.
...and I can't think of any other ones I haven't already said in this thread before that aren't just "this show is amazing/sucks."
-While I do tend to feel that Desensitized gives Yoshihiro Togashi a bit more flak than he really deserves based on the fact that his output of quality work still far outweighs his bad writing, I do fully agree that his last several years have shown him to adopt some really cringe-worthy aspects of story-telling and characterization, and that he takes too many breaks and it has become a chore to follow HXH because of it. Even so, I'd still easily call Togashi one of the best shonen mangaka ever. When he's on his A-game, hardly anyone can come up with stories as unique and concepts as interesting as the ones that he does.
As for Haikyuu!!, you're probably better off just skipping it since you already read the manga. It's more entertaining to watch the anime from a fresh perspective. As for the manga, it's probably the most "just OK" thing that I'm currently reading. I mean, it's mildly entertaining, but I can't fathom its popularity, especially with such lackluster artwork and an unoriginal story. Have none of these people ever read another sports manga besides this or KnB?
The manga version of the Three Kings arc in Yu Yu Hakusho is abysmal on every front.
The art is unbelievably lazy, go read even the early chapters and watch as Togashi goes out of his way on framing Yusuke's growing maturity in ways the anime picked up on then watch how his composition of everything falls apart around the chapter Yusuke meets Koenma after Chapter Black. If he actually did care about the story at that point, he either went mental and forgot everything he knew about art and manga or he had someone else draw it who had never drawn professional manga before.
The writing is insulting. He tries to build a twist out of one chapter to make it seem like Yusuke was "tricked" into killing "innocent" demons which fails on multiple fronts. First, every demon he fought was well known for centuries of being a terror, this "twist" essentially wants us to believe that the Demon World is full of idiots who can't remember that Rando was actually Joe Smith who worked at the Demon post office three hundred and forty five years ago. Second, this was never even hinted at before, not once, as I said before-- no set up. Third, this adds nothing whatsoever to the story and only detracts from it by being a worthless add-on that makes all the characters look stupid. The anime writers had brains, they cut that crap out. That's only one example.
The worst part, as bad as the art and writing is, is the execution. I liked the idea of Yusuke growing up so much that he was able to be the mediator that stopped a war from breaking out and was finally able to return home a changed man ready to begin his real life. That's what happened in the anime, anyway. In the manga, in the middle of a tournament, Togashi randomly cuts to Yusuke working out of noodle cart, a high school drop out, and basically running around doing odd jobs. There is no drama or sense to it, it just happens and Yusuke runs around looking like a hobo doing nothing of importance. Oh, there's a terrorist bombing or something that happens and the four main heroes are sent in to stop it, which, again, doesn't have any story purpose. Yusuke even utters a really corny line about Keiko that is so out of character that I have to wonder if Togashi knew he was writing something Yusuke Uremeshi would say and not Kuwabara trying to pick up random girls. Then it just sort of peters out.
How this relates to the thread is that, the anime managed to salvage anything remotely good about this arc, dump the mountains of crap (and there is a LOT of crap here) and not only relate it more to the characters (Hiei and Kurama, especially) but give it an ending that actually stays in line with the themes and storyline that was started back when Yusuke first died at the series start and everyone missed him (the flip from the first episode to the last where Yusuke was gone in both was a great idea) and how it all wraps up without any dopey story turns or everyone going out of character.
Whoever is in charge of adapting Togashi's stories to anime deserves a medal. Truly.
I recall Togashi saying in an interview that YYH was "ended out of selfishness." The implication being that he only kept writing it because he was contractually obligated to do so until the chief editor saw fit to end it due to a lack of popularity. If you think about it, the lack of quality of the last arc in the manga makes much more sense if he was purposely writing it to be a piece of shit just so that he could end it. While I think that he should have been more faithful to his fans, from what I hear WSJ editors were notoriously cruel and real hard-asses at the time, and Togashi despised working with them, so what happened with YYH was more of a slight on them than Togashi just forgetting how to actually write a good story.
The point being, though, that much like with any sort of production, it's really hard to tell what goes diwn behind the scenes, hence why I don't tend to point fingers at anyone in instances like this. Personally, I'm just grateful that we got 3 great arcs out of YYH, and the anine staff almost managed to fix the last one.
So Kubo's being trying to end Bleach since Soul Society? :hayguyz:
I see what you're saying, but the anime really did it so, so much better. That's why I notice most people who hate Three Kings in the anime have never read the manga version. When they do, they suddenly see the anime version in a much better light. Because it really is well done despite the source material.
I personally think the anime made the Three Kings arc feel like an essential and valuable part of the story and a fine conclusion, which is quite a marvelous feat considering how lazily put together and poorly written the original version was.
i think yyh is better with three kings than it is without. hiei's past alone made it a worthy inclusion.
As far as the anime goes, I totally agree. But as far as the manga goes...I can't say even Hiei's backstory chapters makes that worthwhile.
everyone knows i've never read the manga.
Quote from: Cartoon X on February 06, 2015, 01:06:25 AM
As far as the anime goes, I totally agree. But as far as the manga goes...I can't say even Hiei's backstory chapters makes that worthwhile.
It wasn't even told well there. It was a mess.
As for popular opinion, I think Slam Dunk deserves every bit of popularity it has. It really is one of the greats.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on February 06, 2015, 01:12:28 AM
As for popular opinion, I think Slam Dunk deserves every bit of popularity it has. It really is one of the greats.
Agreed. Which reminds me...
The Shohoku v. Sannoh game is one of the greatest (if not THE greatest) match in any sports manga ever and leads to one of the best endings (if not THE best ending) of any sports manga ever as well.
It is the best match in sports manga, though I'd argue that Ashita no Joe has the best ending, and I don't say that just because it's iconic, but for thematic reasons as well.
Actually, I agree. Somehow I seemed to momentarily forget AnJ is a sports manga. :sweat:
-Sensui is the best Togashi villain, and one of the best shonen villains ever
-The Marvel anime series' all suck, and are dull, lifeless interpretations of classic abd iconic characters
-Full Metal Panic! The Second Raid is superior to the first season in every way
-Marineford is the best One Piece arc, and it's the last time that the series was truly at its best
-Shounan Junai Gumi and GTO are classics, but all of the GTO spin-offs/sequels are either mediocre at best, or a complete insult to the original series
-Kuroko no Basket was legitimately good during its first two-thirds or so, but it really "dropped the ball" (hee hee, see what I did there?) with the entire final match against Rakuzan, and Akashi is a horribly written character
I still haven't read the entire Yu Yu Hakusho manga. I read a few volumes years ago, but then stopped. I plan on completing my set in the near future, and then starting over and reading every volume from start to finish this summer. However, my thing about the Three Kings season is that, honestly, I just don't think it's that good. Well, the first half of the season is great. But the tournament itself isn't. It definitely picks up once they get to Hiei, Kurama, and Yusuke's fights at the end, and I especially enjoy the final episode. But most of the tournament just isn't that amazing to me. It's fine. But it's easily my least favorite part of the show.
Though I will say, I disagree when I hear people say that they should go back and redo the Three Kings arc. I mean, it is what it is. The anime is over and I'd rather not see anyone try to change it.
Based on what you just said, though, that only accounts for 2or 3 episodes not being good. Since you liked everything before that point, and admitted to liking the episodes with the main cast members, it's only a few episodes of the stuffwith the minor characters thst aren't good.
Then that means I can't complain much about YYH as a whole. :P
i wouldn't mind a three kings remake but it's not needed.
i like demon tournament. it is the weakest of the 3 tournaments though. i say pre-tournament three kings was about 8/10 while the demon tournament was 7/10.
Quote from: talonmalon333 on February 08, 2015, 04:10:38 PM
I still haven't read the entire Yu Yu Hakusho manga. I read a few volumes years ago, but then stopped. I plan on completing my set in the near future, and then starting over and reading every volume from start to finish this summer. However, my thing about the Three Kings season is that, honestly, I just don't think it's that good. Well, the first half of the season is great. But the tournament itself isn't. It definitely picks up once they get to Hiei, Kurama, and Yusuke's fights at the end, and I especially enjoy the final episode. But most of the tournament just isn't that amazing to me. It's fine. But it's easily my least favorite part of the show.
Though I will say, I disagree when I hear people say that they should go back and redo the Three Kings arc. I mean, it is what it is. The anime is over and I'd rather not see anyone try to change it.
If anything, you'll probably like and appreciate the anime version more after reading the manga version. A lot of what happens in the anime will make a lot more sense then.
Like most fans, I much prefer the original Bardock TV special to any of the manga story-lines that tried to retcon that. This is one of the few times you'll ever see me saying that I prefer something from the anime over Toriyama's version.
It's first of all worth noting that Toriyama didn't even create Bardock. He actually liked the special, himself, which was a different, darker take on Dragon Ball, and incorporated the character into a panel of his manga later on.
Then came Episode of Bardock, which wasn't written by Toriyama and thus is non-canon to both the manga as well as DBZ. I hated it, anyways. It totally cheapens the weight of that final scene where Bardock takes on Freeza only to realize that there is literally nothing that he can do to stop Planet Vegeta's destruction, as well as his own death.
Then there's Toriyama's version of the story in Dragon Ball Minus, which....let's be honest, is pretty much ripping off Superman's origin story.
I honestly just prefer the original concept. Bardock was nothing like his son, and not a good-hearted person at all, but he did care about his comrades and wanted to avenge them. And I like how Goku being sent to Planet Earth was not a special circumstance by any means. He was a lower-class Saiyan and thus sent to wipe out a weaker-level planet and only became good-natured thanks to an accident causing him to forget his mission and opening up his mind to the influence of his kind-spirited, adopted grandfather.
It feels less conventional, and DB was always at its best when it was going against conventions and expectations.
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on August 30, 2015, 12:36:00 AM
It's first of all worth noting that Toriyama didn't even create Bardock. He actually liked the special, himself, which was a different, darker take on Dragon Ball, and incorporated the character into a panel of his manga later on.
Does Toriyama hate fathers?
Not that I know of. He just never really thought much about who Goku's parents were, and to be fair, most fans didn't even really care about that either. When Bardock was revealed in the anime, however, people liked the story and character, including Toriyama, and thus he was incorporated into series canon.
The joke was that he made neither Vegeta's nor Goku's father. :sweat:
Skip Beat! is getting a backer campaign in order to get a dub and high quality release. (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/skip-beat-anime-english-dub-for-north-america#/) Not to mention, Escaflowne has one too. (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/funimationprod/the-vision-of-escaflowne-a-new-hd-dub-for-the-clas/description)
I wish more older anime would get a chance like this through backer campaigns.
Manga, too. I'd support a campaign for Ashita no Joe, no question.
I'm usually pretty stingy with spending money, but I'd legit drop up to $50 for a campaign to physically publish Ashita no Joe in English.
Hell, when I have the money, I plan to order the complete collection straight from Japan. There are very few series that I love enough to want to own my own copies of its work just for the sake of showing my support and appreciation to/for their creators (and in the case of AnJ, one of them is still alive and well).
Speaking of Kickstarter: The Riding Bean OVA is getting one soon. (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-03-03/animeigo-riding-bean-kickstarter-to-launch-on-sunday/.99315)
Riding Bean looks pretty good based on what little I saw from some synthwave youtube video. I hear it only has one episode. Hopefully they can make more.
And once again on the same subject:
Riding Bean kickstarter was funded in 50 minutes. (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/madoverlord/riding-bean-high-octane-edition-anime-blu-ray)
Looks like classic anime fans are putting their money where their mouth is after all.
Good lord. :SHOCK: That's my classic anime fans. :'(
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on March 01, 2016, 05:46:20 PM
Manga, too. I'd support a campaign for Ashita no Joe, no question.
You got that right except I want the Ushio and Tora manga more.
Digibro made a really good video exploring the appeal of anime. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XRe612LFvs)
I definitely agree. Anime has so many diverse and not easily defined multitudes in the kinds of series that are made, and even if they aren't always the best, shows like DBZ, Detective Conan, Cowboy Bebop, Mushi-shi, or Kill la Kill just aren't being made in the west, and that's what attracted and keeps attracting me to japanese animation in the first place.
I got into it because I like good stories and anime/manga were in a sort of golden age for localized releases at the time. Sort of a perfect storm.
Quote from: Markness on March 07, 2016, 06:53:18 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on March 01, 2016, 05:46:20 PM
Manga, too. I'd support a campaign for Ashita no Joe, no question.
You got that right except I want the Ushio and Tora manga more.
Now with the Kimagure Orange Road kickstarter, I'm hoping stuff like this can be considered more often. For instance if fans want to see a series released in the Kazenban format, they have to hit a certain amount or maybe a stretch goal. There are a lot of possibilities that I hope are explored.
It was a great video and sheds a lot of light on how the industry is growing.
My only slight annoyance is that he under-credits most other mediums of entertainment in regard to how many advancements they have made, as well as how anime itself takes influence from other cultures and forms of entertainment itself. It's a minor gripe, though, and perhaps wasn't entirely his intention.
Skip Beat! has been funded for a dub release. (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/85938147/skip-beat-official-north-american-release)
I want this to set a standard for smaller shows now.
:swoon: Man, it was looking close there, but I'm really glad it pulled through. Hopefully this sets a precedent and we see more crowdfunding campaigns for other tough-sell series.
I'm surprised that this review (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/lucky-star/blu-ray-the-complete-series-ova/.105108) exists. Is this now a popular opinion to hold? The comments mostly agree with it, too.
Lucky Star was one of those interminable anime from the mid-00s that everyone hailed as brilliant from the first wave of Azumanga Daioh clones that still refuse to die nearly a decade later. The show was just as lousy then, as it is now.
Moe gets way too many passes by otaku who paint over its flaws. Even this review does it. Entertainment has to entertain first and foremost. There is nothing inherently entertaining about "atmosphere" if the story has nothing to engage the viewer like action, drama, or comedy. Some series in this genre actually realizes this weakness moe has and tries to build on the hollow base. Shirobako even has an honest to goodness plot! But moe as a whole, including the popular shows, have severe flaws that are never properly addressed or pointed out.
Here's the money quote:
QuoteLucky Star is almost impressive in its insistence on jokes not needing punchlines. Most of its conversations don't result in clear setups and endings; they just continue for a while and then end, or the show cuts to an unrelated scene at some undefined later point. Watching Lucky Star often feels like being trapped in an elevator as a group of strangers have a bland conversation around you - you can completely understand what they're talking about, but you already know this conversation is going nowhere, and you really just want your floor to arrive.
This was my exact experience when I wrote my review of K-On! a few years back. There are no jokes, just generic characters saying random phrases. There is no proper story, and nothing that happens really matters at all.
This is moe. There is nothing underneath its "cute" shell at all. It's empty.
We speak about this in the shonen thread every now and then, but most shonen fans are aware of the problems their favorite series can be saddled with. Moe is treated with kid gloves, and has been for a decade. So while MHA gets attacked for being "generic" and overly simplistic (criticisms that are surface-level at best), series like Lucky Star get passes for having no characterization, story, comedy, or any real writing at all. It's a bit ridiculous.
You'll have people saying "it's supposed to be like that!" in one breath while criticizing G-Gundam for being an over-the-top, cheesy, and loud shonen in the next. It's such a giant disconnect that it's almost embarrassing.
But it's been like this since Lucky Star first raised its empty head to popularity back in the mid-00s, and its one of the main reasons I have stayed away from the anime world for a long time. I'll probably keep doing that, but reviews like this are still surprising.
The only quote in the review I would fully disagree with is this:
QuoteLucky Star may have been influential, but it has been surpassed by the shows it originally inspired.
In what way? They are just as unfunny, stilted, and utterly vacuous as Lucky Star is. The genre hasn't changed one iota. There might be better ones, like Shirobako, but they are the exception. The average moe being made today is no different from Lucky Star.
Nonetheless, I found this review funny, and surprisingly honest. Here's hoping we don't need another decade for K-On! to merit an honest look-back like this one.