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Title: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on June 24, 2014, 06:17:05 PM
I just realized that we don't have a thread for common opinions we actually agree with most people on. So here it is.

I'll start:

Greg Weisman has to stop ending his second seasons on cliffhangers.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Avaitor on June 24, 2014, 07:38:51 PM
Archer and Rick & Morty are the best cartoons currently in production.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: gunswordfist on June 24, 2014, 08:10:53 PM
Both Fullmetal Alchemist series are incredible
Batman TAS is a classic
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on June 24, 2014, 08:58:51 PM
-Dragon Ball Kai basically made DBZ watchable again to those of us who don't want to sit through a near 300-episode series

-Devil May Cry is a shitty anime adaptation of a great series

-Yu Yu Hakusho is one of the best classic shounen series

-Bleach has long since become an utter joke

-Haikyuu!! is the best a sports anime this year, so far

-Kill La Kill is one of the best anime of last year

-Attack on Titan has a kick-ass opening

-Battle Tendency is much better than Phantom Blood

-Dragon Ball is one of the best shounen anime ever, and arguably has some of the best use of filler in any anime series

-Trust and Betrayal is the best adaptation of any kind for Rurouni Kenshin

-Digimon Tamers is the best season of Digimon

Quote from: gunswordfist on June 24, 2014, 08:10:53 PMBoth Fullmetal Alchemist series are incredible

Actually, a lot of people seemed to turn on the original series after Brotherhood came out. Now most people who initially loved the first series think it's crap because the more accurate adaptation of the manga came out. Needless to say, these people can't think for themselves, so all they can do to critique the first anime is say that it didn't follow the manga, which isn't even a critique.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: gunswordfist on June 24, 2014, 09:08:42 PM
I've never seen that. Youtube is the only place I frequently see FMA fans and the first series seems to be still getting a lot of love.

Does YYH really get appreciation these days?
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on June 24, 2014, 09:10:30 PM
I think MLP:FiM deserves all the kudos it has gotten.

Quote from: gunswordfist on June 24, 2014, 09:08:42 PM
Does YYH really get appreciation these days?
About anyone who remembers it or is a fan of anime seems to like it, so I'd say so.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: The Shadow Gentleman on June 24, 2014, 09:11:39 PM
Cowboy Bebop has one of the best anime soundtracks ever.
Ed, Edd, n Eddy is one of the best shows Cartoon Network ever had.
Joseph is best JoJo.
The first three seasons of Spongebob where actually pretty good.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on June 24, 2014, 09:20:34 PM
-Ultimate Spider-Man is fucking abysmal; it should never have replaced TSSM

-Avengers Assemble is boring; it should never have replaced AEMH

-Gargoyle's is still Greg Weisman's best show

-Regardless of what you though of Family Guy's first few seasons, the show has been utter trash for years, now

-Despite the fact that I still think South Park has held up mostly strong even with the recent seasons, I won't deny that seasons 4-9 were among its best years

-Batman: Mask of the Phantasm and Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker are easily the two best DC animated features, by far

-Even though I like more of the return episodes than I dislike, the first 4 seasons of Futurama were easily its strongest

-While I honestly like Korra Book 1, I found Book 2 to be a major letdown, and ATLA is a far better series on the whole
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on June 24, 2014, 09:24:29 PM
Reading older posts I said that Korra was better than Avatar during early season 1. That was before I re-watched Avatar and season 2 of Korra came out. My opinion on both shows has changed since then.

Now I do agree with the majority that Korra has been an overall letdown compared to Avatar.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: gunswordfist on June 24, 2014, 09:38:51 PM
Quote from: The Shadow Gentleman on June 24, 2014, 09:11:39 PM
Cowboy Bebop has one of the best anime soundtracks ever.
Ed, Edd, n Eddy is one of the best shows Cartoon Network ever had.
Joseph is best JoJo.
The first three seasons of Spongebob where actually pretty good.
There's more than one Jojo...you know what, I don't want to know. I honestly still don't even know what the show is about. (Don't tell me) I'll probably check it out sooner than later.

I agree with the rest.

Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 24, 2014, 09:24:29 PM
Reading older posts I said that Korra was better than Avatar during early season 1. That was before I re-watched Avatar and season 2 of Korra came out. My opinion on both shows has changed since then.

Now I do agree with the majority that Korra has been an overall letdown compared to Avatar.
I thought Korra was clearly better than ATLA because I was in love with the show's pacing and how they get to the action. Then the last episode happened. Then I rewatched it and saw that Korra had no development. I'm not sure how to compare season 1 of ATLA to Korra's though. I flip flop on that and need to rewatch ATLA.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: talonmalon333 on June 24, 2014, 09:45:10 PM
Batman is one of the best western animated shows, and Cowboy Bebop is one of the best Japanese animated shows.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: LumRanmaYasha on June 24, 2014, 10:33:34 PM
Hmm, y'all are listing a lot of opinions about anime. There's already a popular opinions thread for that.  :D

- Adventure Time and Regular Show are the best shows on CN right now, and two of it's best originals in general.
- Nickelodeon's current animated output is mediocre.
- American Dad is the best "Seth McFarlence show."
- Rick and Morty is one of the best animated series currently running and the best [adult swim] original currently running as well.
- Disney's treatment of Gravity Falls leaves a lot to be desired.
- The Legend of Korra is a disappointment compared to Avatar.
- Young Justice is good and should've gotten a third season.
- Green Lantern: The Animated Series is good and should've gotten a second season.
- The first three seasons of Spongebob are among the best episodes of any Nicktoon.
- The Boondocks' fourth season was disappointing and a poor sendoff to the series as a whole.
- Post-season 10 Simpsons episodes are mostly mediocre and the show is a shell of it's former self.
- Family Guy's first five seasons were great, but the show is truly awful now.
- Tron: Uprising and Motorcity deserved better treatment from Disney Channel/XD and should've gotten more episodes.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on June 24, 2014, 10:54:08 PM
I still really like Recess.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: talonmalon333 on June 24, 2014, 11:00:32 PM
SpongeBob is the best Nicktoon.

Rugrats is the second best Nicktoon.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: gunswordfist on June 24, 2014, 11:10:50 PM
Holy shit, I thought GL has 52 episodes.  :zonk: I thought when I told that there was two seasons, that they meant two 26 episode season. Or that Netflix only picked up season 1 so there was another season. I forget which. Either way, that makes me sad. It looks like the show won't be moving much on my superheroes list now.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on June 24, 2014, 11:30:20 PM
I don't think Invader Zim is that great.

*Popular opinion being that most people have never heard of it*
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: gunswordfist on June 24, 2014, 11:41:39 PM
Invader Zim is incredible.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Rynnec on June 25, 2014, 03:24:46 AM
Invader Zim was a good show that was cut short, and its half-hour episodes are easily its best.

Kill la Kill was the best anime of 2013

JoJo's Bizarre Adventure was the best anime of 2012

Puella Magi Madoka Magica is the best anime of 2011

Black Lagoon is a great series

Blue Exorcist is a bland shounenshit anime that focuses on the least interesting characters and has shitty music that should never be in a show about Demons

The Sonic OVA is awesome, and that should've been turned into a full series than Sonic X

Spawn:TAS is better than the live-action movie.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Avaitor on June 25, 2014, 11:28:46 AM
SpongeBob SquarePants is an inferior Rocko's Modern Life.

The first 5 movies are more or less Disney's finest, even if more interesting princesses than Snow White were invented.

Sleeping Beauty would be a lot better if it had a clearer protagonist, and really, if Aurora and Philip had stronger personalities.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: gunswordfist on June 25, 2014, 11:40:04 AM
I still need to watch Spawn.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: LumRanmaYasha on June 25, 2014, 12:22:20 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on June 25, 2014, 11:28:46 AM
SpongeBob SquarePants is an inferior Rocko's Modern Life.

Is that really a popular opinion? Pretty much everyone I know in daily life who like both like the Sponge more.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Avaitor on June 25, 2014, 12:50:10 PM
Quote from: Cartoon X on June 25, 2014, 12:22:20 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on June 25, 2014, 11:28:46 AM
SpongeBob SquarePants is an inferior Rocko's Modern Life.

Is that really a popular opinion? Pretty much everyone I know in daily life who like both like the Sponge more.
It is to me. ;)

Inferior =/= bad, though
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Avaitor on August 04, 2014, 11:05:12 AM
In recent years, it's quietly become a popular opinion that Daria is one case where the spin-off is superior to the original.

As it should be.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on August 04, 2014, 12:22:01 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on August 04, 2014, 11:05:12 AM
In recent years, it's quietly become a popular opinion that Daria is one case where the spin-off is superior to the original.

As it should be.
In the same way, despite certain corners of his fanbase, it is more or less agreed that KOTH was the better Mike Judge show in general.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: talonmalon333 on September 18, 2014, 09:12:44 PM
Quote from: Rynnec on June 25, 2014, 03:24:46 AM
The Sonic OVA is awesome, and that should've been turned into a full series than Sonic X

Just noticed this. Is that really a popular opinion? I feel like the people who have seen it (which isn't a huge number) seem to think it's just "pretty good", an opinion on it that I myself hold.

But yeah, my popular opinion is that, at the very least, Sonic X was bad.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on September 18, 2014, 09:26:54 PM
Why is it so damn hard to get a decent Sonic cartoon? And no, I don't consider Sonic SatAM to be very good. It was a nice effort, and arguably good for its time, but the writing of that show just hasn't aged well. I've heard that the comics are better, and maybe that's true, but I've seen enough of the show to know that it's not what I want from a Sonic cartoon. The OVA came closest in tone and execution to what I'd expect from a decent Sonic cartoon.

I honestly lost track of Sonic Boom, so I'm not even sure if that aired already, but regardless, it doesn't look up my alley either.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on September 18, 2014, 09:40:46 PM
Quote from: talonmalon333 on September 18, 2014, 09:12:44 PM
Quote from: Rynnec on June 25, 2014, 03:24:46 AM
The Sonic OVA is awesome, and that should've been turned into a full series than Sonic X

Just noticed this. Is that really a popular opinion? I feel like the people who have seen it (which isn't a huge number) seem to think it's just "pretty good", an opinion on it that I myself hold.

But yeah, my popular opinion is that, at the very least, Sonic X was bad.
The OVA had the best framework. Tone, art style, music, action, and comedy were all as close to the classic games as you can get without going too dark or too goofy.

SatAM was too serious and not much like the games, AoSTH had even less to do with the games and was too wacky, and Sonic X was just a misfire. Nobody even knows what the deal was with Sonic Underground.

The OVA hit closest to the target. So, of course, they didn't go ahead with making it a show.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Avaitor on September 18, 2014, 10:20:26 PM
-Chris Savino and Mike Scully aren't very good show runners.
-Johnny Bravo is rather inconsistent overall, but when the show was good, and even the last episodes have some ON episodes, it's one of Cartoon Network's finest.
-Sheep in the Big City deserved at least another season or two.
-Ed, Edd n' Eddy could have handled at least one more strong season, if the "bonus" episode is any indication, but it ended at exactly the right time.
-Even if you're not a fan of most of their shows, it's hard to argue that Cartoon Network is in a better place now then it was 5+ years ago, or Nickelodeon has been in the past decade or so.
-Although a lot of the shows from the era aren't perfect, the first handful of Nicktoons do deserve credit for having a wide range of tone, style, and atmosphere from each other. While most of Disney and Warner's cartoons from the same period were also good, you could tell that they came form the same company, while Doug, Rugrats, and Ren & Stimpy each feel like day and night from each other. Things only started to blend together during Klasky-Csupo overload, and even then, Angry Beavers and SpongeBob felt nothing like those shows.
-Time has been very good to the first 9 seasons of The Simpsons, parts of the first aside. Watch an episode from then right now, and you can see why.
-King of the Hill is mighty consistent.
-The reason that Warner's theatrical short characters have endured more than Disney's in terms of character, not as mascots, is beyond just Disney's weak television scheduling- the Looney Tunes are just better than Disney's stuff.
-The good Hanna-Barbera shows are still mostly good, but as we started getting more and more fully animated series on TV, it's obvious why the studio is barely relevant nowadays.
-Laika are great, and should be supported at all costs.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on September 18, 2014, 10:30:02 PM
Good stuff. I agree.

Quote from: Avaitor on September 18, 2014, 10:20:26 PM-Although a lot of the shows from the era aren't perfect, the first handful of Nicktoons do deserve credit for having a wide range of tone, style, and atmosphere from each other. While most of Disney and Warner's cartoons from the same period were also good, you could tell that they came form the same company, while Doug, Rugrats, and Ren & Stimpy each feel like day and night from each other. Things only started to blend together during Klasky-Csupo overload, and even then, Angry Beavers and SpongeBob felt nothing like those shows.
This was Nick's strength, I agree. They always had variety and options, and always appeared to be interested in trying new things. Hence Avatar, the Power Rangers acquisition, and the new TMNT show. They do try.

Or I should say, tried. Nick has barely been trying much at all the past couple of years. How many originals do they have currently running on a regular basis? How many are different from each other? How many are actually worth watching?

I could throw in N@N and wonder why it's basically become the Friends block, but I guess airing one show constantly is what they're best at now.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Avaitor on September 18, 2014, 10:31:53 PM
Apparently Full House does better on N@N than Friends does.

But this isn't the right thread for that. ;)
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Rynnec on September 18, 2014, 10:54:27 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on September 18, 2014, 09:40:46 PM
Quote from: talonmalon333 on September 18, 2014, 09:12:44 PM
Quote from: Rynnec on June 25, 2014, 03:24:46 AM
The Sonic OVA is awesome, and that should've been turned into a full series than Sonic X

Just noticed this. Is that really a popular opinion? I feel like the people who have seen it (which isn't a huge number) seem to think it's just "pretty good", an opinion on it that I myself hold.

But yeah, my popular opinion is that, at the very least, Sonic X was bad.
The OVA had the best framework. Tone, art style, music, action, and comedy were all as close to the classic games as you can get without going too dark or too goofy.

SatAM was too serious and not much like the games, AoSTH had even less to do with the games and was too wacky, and Sonic X was just a misfire. Nobody even knows what the deal was with Sonic Underground.

The OVA hit closest to the target. So, of course, they didn't go ahead with making it a show.

There's also the fact that X, as close as it was to the games superficially, was partly responsible for the bad portrayals of the cast in the mid-00's (i.e Knuckles being an overly gullible idiot, Shadow being over-powered and one-note, Amy being a generic annoying yandere, and Cream being...Cream). Sonic Boom just looks to be more of the same.

Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on September 18, 2014, 09:26:54 PM
Why is it so damn hard to get a decent Sonic cartoon? And no, I don't consider Sonic SatAM to be very good. It was a nice effort, and arguably good for its time, but the writing of that show just hasn't aged well. I've heard that the comics are better, and maybe that's true, but I've seen enough of the show to know that it's not what I want from a Sonic cartoon. The OVA came closest in tone and execution to what I'd expect from a decent Sonic cartoon.

I honestly lost track of Sonic Boom, so I'm not even sure if that aired already, but regardless, it doesn't look up my alley either.

SatAM was just a generic furry-animal cartoon with Sonic slapped on it that only gets praised because it was "dark" at the time. I remember the comics being very fluctuating in quality and had way too much relationship bullshit, but I hear it's supposed to have gotten better after the Megaman crossover.

I'd also like to mention that the OVA is not only the only legitimately good Sonic cartoon, but it's also the only one to have Metal Sonic. I believe these two facts are related.

Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on September 18, 2014, 10:30:02 PM
Good stuff. I agree.

Quote from: Avaitor on September 18, 2014, 10:20:26 PM-Although a lot of the shows from the era aren't perfect, the first handful of Nicktoons do deserve credit for having a wide range of tone, style, and atmosphere from each other. While most of Disney and Warner's cartoons from the same period were also good, you could tell that they came form the same company, while Doug, Rugrats, and Ren & Stimpy each feel like day and night from each other. Things only started to blend together during Klasky-Csupo overload, and even then, Angry Beavers and SpongeBob felt nothing like those shows.
This was Nick's strength, I agree. They always had variety and options, and always appeared to be interested in trying new things. Hence Avatar, the Power Rangers acquisition, and the new TMNT show. They do try.

Or I should say, tried. Nick has barely been trying much at all the past couple of years. How many originals do they have currently running on a regular basis? How many are different from each other? How many are actually worth watching?

I could throw in N@N and wonder why it's basically become the Friends block, but I guess airing one show constantly is what they're best at now.

Like I said on another thread; they have TMNT and they have Power Rangers, there should be no reason for them to be failing this hard when any other kids network would've struck a goldmine by now.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on September 18, 2014, 11:06:27 PM
They could also be airing old Power Rangers and TMNT on N@N, too.

But they're not.

Because?

Quote from: Rynnec on September 18, 2014, 10:54:27 PM
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on September 18, 2014, 09:26:54 PM
Why is it so damn hard to get a decent Sonic cartoon? And no, I don't consider Sonic SatAM to be very good. It was a nice effort, and arguably good for its time, but the writing of that show just hasn't aged well. I've heard that the comics are better, and maybe that's true, but I've seen enough of the show to know that it's not what I want from a Sonic cartoon. The OVA came closest in tone and execution to what I'd expect from a decent Sonic cartoon.

I honestly lost track of Sonic Boom, so I'm not even sure if that aired already, but regardless, it doesn't look up my alley either.

SatAM was just a generic furry-animal cartoon with Sonic slapped on it that only gets praised because it was "dark" at the time. I remember the comics being very fluctuating in quality and had way too much relationship bullshit, but I hear it's supposed to have gotten better after the Megaman crossover.

I'd also like to mention that the OVA is not only the only legitimately good Sonic cartoon, but it's also the only one to have Metal Sonic. I believe these two facts are related.
Also, the superior old school Metal Sonic design.

I'm not one of those redesign haters who scream GREEN EYES or whatever, but I've never liked Modern Metal Sonic's look. Too clunky looking.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: talonmalon333 on September 18, 2014, 11:07:00 PM
Nick doesn't know how to plan or use their resources well.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Rynnec on September 18, 2014, 11:27:58 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on September 18, 2014, 11:06:27 PM

Quote from: Rynnec on September 18, 2014, 10:54:27 PM
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on September 18, 2014, 09:26:54 PM
Why is it so damn hard to get a decent Sonic cartoon? And no, I don't consider Sonic SatAM to be very good. It was a nice effort, and arguably good for its time, but the writing of that show just hasn't aged well. I've heard that the comics are better, and maybe that's true, but I've seen enough of the show to know that it's not what I want from a Sonic cartoon. The OVA came closest in tone and execution to what I'd expect from a decent Sonic cartoon.

I honestly lost track of Sonic Boom, so I'm not even sure if that aired already, but regardless, it doesn't look up my alley either.

SatAM was just a generic furry-animal cartoon with Sonic slapped on it that only gets praised because it was "dark" at the time. I remember the comics being very fluctuating in quality and had way too much relationship bullshit, but I hear it's supposed to have gotten better after the Megaman crossover.

I'd also like to mention that the OVA is not only the only legitimately good Sonic cartoon, but it's also the only one to have Metal Sonic. I believe these two facts are related.
Also, the superior old school Metal Sonic design.

I'm not one of those redesign haters who scream GREEN EYES or whatever, but I've never liked Modern Metal Sonic's look. Too clunky looking.

Are you talking about his Neo Metal Sonic design in Heroes? Because I'm actually pretty cool with that one.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on September 19, 2014, 12:20:29 AM
Quote from: Rynnec on September 18, 2014, 11:27:58 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on September 18, 2014, 11:06:27 PM

Quote from: Rynnec on September 18, 2014, 10:54:27 PM
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on September 18, 2014, 09:26:54 PM
Why is it so damn hard to get a decent Sonic cartoon? And no, I don't consider Sonic SatAM to be very good. It was a nice effort, and arguably good for its time, but the writing of that show just hasn't aged well. I've heard that the comics are better, and maybe that's true, but I've seen enough of the show to know that it's not what I want from a Sonic cartoon. The OVA came closest in tone and execution to what I'd expect from a decent Sonic cartoon.

I honestly lost track of Sonic Boom, so I'm not even sure if that aired already, but regardless, it doesn't look up my alley either.

SatAM was just a generic furry-animal cartoon with Sonic slapped on it that only gets praised because it was "dark" at the time. I remember the comics being very fluctuating in quality and had way too much relationship bullshit, but I hear it's supposed to have gotten better after the Megaman crossover.

I'd also like to mention that the OVA is not only the only legitimately good Sonic cartoon, but it's also the only one to have Metal Sonic. I believe these two facts are related.
Also, the superior old school Metal Sonic design.

I'm not one of those redesign haters who scream GREEN EYES or whatever, but I've never liked Modern Metal Sonic's look. Too clunky looking.

Are you talking about his Neo Metal Sonic design in Heroes? Because I'm actually pretty cool with that one.
Yeah, it just doesn't do it for me.

I prefer these:

(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sonicretro.org%2Ffile%2F2011%2F07%2FMetalSonicBoss9.jpg&hash=e0848aab4d5bbf92224dbec814ee5069339d0757)
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg1.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20110501190757%2Fsonic%2Fimages%2Fd%2Fd4%2FMetalsonic666.jpg&hash=420ba53e52c7148942ba10ec85a523188334ecca)
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Rynnec on September 19, 2014, 12:27:18 AM
Fair enough. I've always been in the minority that loved Neo Metal's design and wish it had been used more. It had a nice, over-the-top look to it and had a few resemblances to S3&K Mecha Sonic, which is always a plus.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: talonmalon333 on September 21, 2014, 08:56:55 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on September 18, 2014, 10:20:26 PM
-The reason that Warner's theatrical short characters have endured more than Disney's in terms of character, not as mascots, is beyond just Disney's weak television scheduling- the Looney Tunes are just better than Disney's stuff.

I'd have to think about that. Some of Disney's old animated shorts are really, really funny.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Avaitor on September 21, 2014, 09:20:50 PM
Quote from: talonmalon333 on September 21, 2014, 08:56:55 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on September 18, 2014, 10:20:26 PM
-The reason that Warner's theatrical short characters have endured more than Disney's in terms of character, not as mascots, is beyond just Disney's weak television scheduling- the Looney Tunes are just better than Disney's stuff.

I'd have to think about that. Some of Disney's old animated shorts are really, really funny.
Yeah, there are plenty of good Disney shorts. Some of Goofy's stuff is down right incredible. But I'd still take a Bugs or Daffy or Road Runner cartoon any day of the week.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: talonmalon333 on September 28, 2014, 12:35:39 AM
(Didn't know where to post this generic question.) What do you guys think of Beavis and Butthead?
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: LumRanmaYasha on September 28, 2014, 12:51:05 AM
I like it well enough, but it could get too repetitive and be obnoxiously immature sometimes. It's not really all that smart or as well-written as many of it's contemporaries, but it can elicit some good chuckles from the idiotic antics of the titular characters, and it's pokes at pop-culture (Music Videos in the original seasons, Reality Shows in the revived ones) always get some yuks from me as well.

Really, the best thing about Beavis and Butthead was that it allowed Daria to get made. Oh, and the movie. The movie is great too.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Avaitor on September 28, 2014, 01:14:06 AM
There's actually some sharp commentary in some of the series, like how the existence of Cornholio came from a report around the time stating that sugar didn't cause hyperactivity in kids, which was something Judge and crew wanted to prove was bs.

But overall, I'd say that B&B is harder to take when you're meant to laugh with them, instead of at. I'd also say that King of the Hill and Daria are much better shows.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Lord Il on September 28, 2014, 10:12:18 AM
Quote from: Avaitor on September 28, 2014, 01:14:06 AMBut overall, I'd say that B&B is harder to take when you're meant to laugh with them, instead of at. I'd also say that King of the Hill and Daria are much better shows.
^This.


I had often hoped for Mike Judge to give Beavis and Butthead (and even Daria) a cameo of some sort on King of the Hill.
Why? Just because. :D
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Spark Of Spirit on September 29, 2014, 11:38:38 AM
It's never really done anything for me. I mean, I "get" what they're trying to do and it's well done, but I still never found myself laughing much at all.

King of the Hill and Daria were much better.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Speedy on September 30, 2014, 04:06:08 PM
B&B is actually much better than some critics give it credit for, but it's still a hit-or-miss show.  KOTH, Mike Judge's follow-up show, had the advantage of a much larger, more varied cast and richer humor because of it.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Commode on September 30, 2014, 04:11:58 PM
I liked Beavis and Butthead because it was to MTV what The Simpsons was to Fox, it ripped on the network and the culture of the people who watched the network.  Both it and Daria suffer somewhat though because they are very much products of their time.  Even the revival from a couple of years back, while good, was just taking the 90's slacker attitude and putting it in contrast with the Teen Mom/16 and Pregnant/Jersey Shore crowd.  And I think that's why it wasn't as succesful as they had hoped it'd be, people have more or less moved on from it.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Skeeter Valentine on October 01, 2014, 08:23:31 AM
Slacker culture is dead.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Dr. Insomniac on October 01, 2014, 10:07:42 AM
Yeah, I'm occasionally thought about how Daria's become irrelevant in recent times. Back then, the snarky girl in glasses thing was more fun because it was supposed to challenge prior ideals. Now, it's hard for other people to look at her archetype without thinking of the social justice stigma. Hearing some teenage girl in glasses talk about how other people suck now comes across as annoying because it's now become as much of a cliche as the dumb footballer or passive-aggressive teacher stereotypes the show made fun of.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: gunswordfist on December 25, 2014, 04:40:55 PM
king of the hill, batman tbatb and genndy's dexter's lab are very consistent shows.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Avaitor on December 25, 2014, 04:47:10 PM
I have to admit, I'm not sure if I'd consider even the Genndy run to be very consistent. McCracken's Powerpuff Girls and the whole of Ed, Edd n' Eddy tend to have a stronger hit to miss ratio to what I've seen lately.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: gunswordfist on December 25, 2014, 04:50:05 PM
i don't remember anyone complaining about the dexter's consistency and i haven't seen much of ppg and eene in years so i cannot comment on them.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: gunswordfist on December 26, 2014, 05:24:17 PM
i wonder if i can add dan vs. to the list.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Avaitor on March 08, 2016, 08:29:53 PM
Can I talk about how thankful I am for Archer?

I really feel like it's helped to change adult animation for the better. For a while, the blueprint for these kinds of series went from the satire that made The Simpsons, King of the Hill, and South Park nailed to [adult swim] absurdism and Family Guy crudeness, all for the lack of quality. Obviously Space Ghost and some of William Streets' earlier series stand up as stronger, but shows like these mostly weren't very good.

But it feels like with Archer, and also Venture Brothers, that we're going back towards more character-based humor in western adult animation, and all for the better. While Venture is definitely important for its love of pop culture, I believe that Archer's nihilism is what makes it stand out, and can definitely be felt in Rick and Morty and Bojack Horseman. Even Bob's Burgers shares a similar taste for deconstructing its characters that Archer does on the regular.

We still get some Williams Street and MacFarlane wannabes, primarily from WS and MacFarlane themselves, but most of these are tanking in comparison. If we can get more Archers and Venture Brothers, and Rick and Mortys, which we are, we'll be much better off.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Foggle on March 08, 2016, 09:23:49 PM
I'm thankful for Archer simply because it's the funniest damn TV series I've ever seen. :D Six seasons in and, outside of a couple running gags in Vice, it's never once gotten old to me.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Peanutbutter on March 09, 2016, 12:38:48 AM
South Park's last season was spectacular and revitalized the crap out of themselves with the addition of P.C. Principal. I say that as someone who doesn't even like South Park that much, but if they actually continue in this direction like the finale implied that could very well change.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Avaitor on March 09, 2016, 06:47:05 PM
When all is said and done about Ren & Stimpy, "Space Madness" and "Stimpy's Invention" are two of the finest cartoons of the modern age.

(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv98%2Fspeedyboris%2Frenandstimpy%2Fstimpysinvention-23-300x228_zps5bcbf765.jpg&hash=9bd6828ee5d4d03a8d319caa68d264c61bd919a4) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/speedyboris/media/renandstimpy/stimpysinvention-23-300x228_zps5bcbf765.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Avaitor on March 09, 2016, 06:51:37 PM
But this is still the best thing Nickelodeon has ever done.

(https://45.media.tumblr.com/9ede30cce7a1364627fd121b8df47ebe/tumblr_mq4cldSLmq1rrkahjo2_250.gif)
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Daxdiv on March 10, 2016, 07:32:02 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on March 09, 2016, 06:51:37 PM
But this is still the best thing Nickelodeon has ever done.

(https://45.media.tumblr.com/9ede30cce7a1364627fd121b8df47ebe/tumblr_mq4cldSLmq1rrkahjo2_250.gif)

I swear that cartoons that do episodes about making cartoons are always entertaining. Be it Wacky Delly, that episode of Kirby! Right Back At Ya! where they made a cartoon, or even Stimpy's Cartoon, they're all right. But Wacky Delly still was the greatest one of them all and I still stand by it being the greatest thing that has ever aired on Nick proper.
Title: Re: Popular Opinions You Hold About Animation
Post by: Commode on March 10, 2016, 09:24:13 PM
When the heck did "Wacky Delly" ever air on modern Nickelodeon?  Unless that gif was made from an international version of the channel.  Just a little strange seeing the newer Nick logo on it.