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Rejoice.
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Quote from: Homura Akemi on September 06, 2014, 05:21:44 AM
I'm still going to force everyone to watch Unlimited Blade Works.
lol! It's a very rushed movie. This fact is made even worse if people don't have previous knowledge of the characters and events of Fate to have an understanding of what's going on.
Thanks Nasu!
Quote from: Homura Akemi on September 07, 2014, 09:59:21 AM
Quote from: Lord Il on September 06, 2014, 09:43:26 AM
Quote from: Homura Akemi on September 06, 2014, 05:21:44 AM
I'm still going to force everyone to watch Unlimited Blade Works.
lol! It's a very rushed movie. This fact is made even worse if people don't have previous knowledge of the characters and events of Fate to have an understanding of what's going on.
I forced Insomniac, Foggle and Dalek to watch it with me. Dalek wasn't there half the time, and us three were becoming braindead halfway through the movie. What an experience.
At least you guys tried! :il_hahaha:
Well.... perhaps the Unlimited Blade Works TV anime will be an improvement. (http://www.orendsrange.com/2014/09/fatestay-night-unlimited-blade-works-tv.html)
It can't be any worse. Maybe.
^Nasu exposition. We're doomed.
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Quote from: Lord Dalek on September 07, 2014, 09:05:14 PM
^Nasu exposition. We're doomed.
At least the TV show will explain things unlike the film.
And explain.... and explain.... and explain.... and explain... and ex-SHOT.
Zeroth episode today. Anyone hyped?
I'm sorta hyped :shakeshakeshake:
Alright, my first impressions. Disclaimer, I finished the Fate route in the VN a couple days ago, so the prologue is old material to me. Also, I haven't watched F/Z.
1. The exposition. I guess it can't be helped because Fate's magic systems are very intricate. Nonetheless, it can feel a bit unnatural, especially when the characters talk to themselves. The way they talk and react to each other in general relies heavily on dialogue, even when I think some face/body language or camera shots could convey the thoughts/emotions better. Bottom line, they may have gone too far to remain faithful to the VN.
2. Story delivery compared to VN. I love that they skipped a lot of the fluff. They compressed a chapter that took me hours to get through to 45 minutes. This pacing makes me wonder if I really should read the rest of the VN before F/Z, or just stick to Ufotable's UBW and HF adaptations.
3. While I've always had mixed feelings on the character designs (especially with their new beaknoses, Rin :wth:), the animation is nothing to shake a stick at. Not always movie-budget smooth, but it shines when it matters. Again, more expressiveness would be nice, but the action scenes are great so far. Environments look beautiful, makes me wish there was less talking over them.
4. The music didn't leave an impression on me, but it did its job.
I think seeing Shirou's perspective may decide how good this adaptation will be, since that's what Deen failed to portray. Should be interesting to see how they work with/around his inner monologues.
Any impressions from Fate/stay night newbies?
Waiting til tomorrow to watch the episode, but I agree that the sheer amount and verbosity of Fate's exposition is its biggest downfall. So many times, especially in the Fate route, it feels like the characters are talking at each other rather than to each other. Still, since this first episode is a 48 minute adaptation of a 3 hour prologue, even if it feels a bit overwrought, at least they've cleaned up the pacing a lot. The VN is soooo boring sometimes.
From the images I've seen, I think Rin looks better here than in the VN and especially the Deen anime, but sometimes her head looks like a balloon. I keep thinking she's going to inflate and float away into the night. Makes me laugh. :lol:
I've only heard one piece of BGM from the new anime, and I thought it was great. But if it's anything like the original VN or the F/Z anime, it'll all sound good, but fail to leave an impression on me.
I really hope ufotable is able to accurately portray Shirou's character; the whole story hinges on that.
Watched it, and I thought it was a strong first episode. I have no prior knowledge of F/SN, but this episode appealed to me as a fan of Fate/Zero, and I like Rin and Archer as characters. Overall, I'd say this was a good start and I look forward to seeing more.
I really enjoyed the premiere, and I personally disagree about the music, as I really do enjoy the soundtrack so far (though it seems to be ripped straight out of F/Z).
I haven't read any of the VNs, and as that's not really my thing, I don't plan on it, so the anime is the only thing I have to go off of. I did really enjoy F/Z, exposition-heavy narrative aside, and I felt that this one was actually much better at reducing the exposition to a minimum, while also filling in the viewer on just enough so as to not leave them confused. As far as seasonal anime premieres go, this is easily the best one that I've seen so far, personally.
Anyways, my more detailed thoughts on the episode will be up whenever the Fall Seasonal Clusterfuck is posted up.
Quote from: Foggle on October 04, 2014, 09:05:58 PMWaiting til tomorrow to watch the episode, but I agree that the sheer amount and verbosity of Fate's exposition is its biggest downfall. So many times, especially in the Fate route, it feels like the characters are talking at each other rather than to each other. Still, since this first episode is a 48 minute adaptation of a 3 hour prologue, even if it feels a bit overwrought, at least they've cleaned up the pacing a lot. The VN is soooo boring sometimes.
Well, at least to the anime's credit in particular, it's not nearly as bad as Hunter X Hunter gets with it's exposition in the Chimera Ant arc. I can't speak for the VN, but CX can attest to how bad the exposition-heavy dialogue can get with the narration and character monologues with HXH.
I still need to finish watching HxH. I'm so slow! :cry:
Ufotable clearly knows what they're doing, so I'm sure the UBW anime's exposition will be no worse than Fate/Zero's. The original VN is something else, though. It has the most exposition I've ever seen in a fictional work barring Mahouka. It's downright unreadable at times.
Quote from: Foggle on October 04, 2014, 09:44:02 PMI still need to finish watching HxH. I'm so slow! :cry:
Instead of going back to HXH right away, just use that time to read Ashita no Joe instead. It's like the antithesis to all of today's dialogue-heavy manga and anime. I mean it still has plenty of dialogue, but goddamn is Tetsuya Chiba such a talented artist as to be able to convert so many pages worth of character depth and emotion through facial expressions and actions alone, without the use of any dialogue, and Asaki Takamori is an amazing writer to always know the perfect times to let Chiba go wild like that. AnJ is still my most highly recommended read to anyone. ;D
QuoteUfotable clearly knows what they're doing, so I'm sure the UBW anime's exposition will be no worse than Fate/Zero's. The original VN is something else, though. It has the most exposition I've ever seen in a fictional work barring Mahouka. It's downright unreadable at times.
In general, while I understand the necessity of exposition, lately I seem to prefer works that are able to exempt themselves from even needing it. That said, my latest obsession of the past few months has been A Song of Ice and Fire, which as a novel series is full of exposition. I still need to get back to A a Storm of Swords, and that alone is over 900 pages long. I do find all of the backstory to be totally worth it in this series, though. That said, much like how the Fate anime adaptations significantly cut down on the exposition from the VNs, Game of Thrones pretty much does the same for ASOIAF, although sometimes to its detriment, but I mostly consider it a good thing.
I really should read AnJ. Once I actually finish Excel Saga (I know...), I'll get right on that.
I also greatly dislike exposition, and my distaste for it has only grown over the past few years. I'm hard-pressed to think of a story that should actually require more than a few paragraphs worth of exposition *in total* to function; we don't need to know the magic rules of the Nasuverse verbatim from a textbook to enjoy the fight scenes, and we'd almost certainly learn them naturally just from reading/watching the well-done battles anyway. That kind of shit should be relegated to side material if released at all - it usually just comes across as a crutch for the writer to lean on when they don't think their audience is smart enough to figure out what's going on for themselves.
Like, look at Cowboy Bebop. It's been years since I've watched it all the way through, but it establishes its universe and tells its story with almost no exposition to speak of. Just from natural dialogue, detailed depictions of its various settings, and the way people/objects interact with the world at large, the audience learns everything they need to know. The series assumes that the viewers are smart enough to understand things without having their hands held, and it's right. That's part of what makes CB a masterpiece, and why so many people who "hate anime" still love it regardless.
Yeah, while I can understand exposition in a novel, it should really be done away with as much as possible in animation and comics. Visual art forms should rely more in actual visuals. I mean, like I said, some exposition is going to be necessary, I understand that, but if you ever need characters (or in the CA arc of HXH's case, a fucking narrator) to blatantly and unnaturally explain information to the audience rather than just normally conversing with other characters, that's a clear weakness of the writing and story if the characters weren't able to convey all of that information to the audience naturally over the normal progression of events. Naoki Urasawa is masterful at presenting us incredibly complex stories, yet making every detail that we learn about it come off as naturally as possible.
Don't get me wrong, though, I still love HXH and F/Z, but the dialogue I. Both series could really use a ton of fine-tuning.
Quote from: Foggle on October 04, 2014, 10:05:05 PM
I really should read AnJ. Once I actually finish Excel Saga (I know...), I'll get right on that.
YOU HAVEN'T FINISHED IT YET? :o
That surprises me. :sweat:
And yeah, when it comes to exposition, minimal to none is always best in animation. The world and actions of the characters should speak for themselves.
Quote from: Cartoon X on October 04, 2014, 10:12:32 PM
YOU HAVEN'T FINISHED IT YET? :o
That surprises me. :sweat:
Yeah, I know. :sweat: I've been meaning to write a blog post about that, actually...
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on October 04, 2014, 10:11:51 PM
Yeah, while I can understand exposition in a novel, it should really be done away with as much as possible in animation and comics. Visual art forms should rely more in actual visuals. I mean, like I said, some exposition is going to be necessary, I understand that, but if you ever need characters (or in the CA arc of HXH's case, a fucking narrator) to blatantly and unnaturally explain information to the audience rather than just normally conversing with other characters, that's a clear weakness of the writing and story if the characters weren't able to convey all of that information to the audience naturally over the normal progression of events. Naoki Urasawa is masterful at presenting us incredibly complex stories, yet making every detail that we learn about it come off as naturally as possible.
I don't even think you need exposition in a book, you can still convey things naturally through imagery even when all you have at your disposal is words. I'm writing a novel right now, and my main goal is to tell an engaging story with semi-complicated lore without ever resorting to exposition.
Quote from: Foggle on October 04, 2014, 10:23:42 PM
Yeah, I know. :sweat: I've been meaning to write a blog post about that, actually...
Cool! I'd love to read a retrospective and your final thoughts on the series, especially since it means so much to you, and your write-up on it last year (http://animationrevelation.com/readables/?p=992) was actually what got me to check it out in the first place. ;)
And yeah, I think you can flesh out a story pretty well even in a book just by using well-constructed dialogue and subtle descriptions of the characters and the world around them, without ever having to explain all the intricacies about what the character is doing, what they are feeling, etc. That other stuff should be left up for the readers/audience to imagine and decide.
Quote from: Cartoon X on October 04, 2014, 10:47:08 PM
Cool! I'd love to read a retrospective and your final thoughts on the series, especially since it means so much to you, and your write-up on it last year (http://animationrevelation.com/readables/?p=992) was actually what got me to check it out in the first place. ;)
:joy:
Foggle: Yup, I agree with Cartoon X. That article also helped me get interested in the manga, so I'm looking forward to the next one.
That aside?
Quote from: Homura Akemi on October 06, 2014, 02:04:29 AM
I actually really liked this episode. And when I mean really liked, I mean I have fallen in love with it.
I can see how you might feel that way. Having read the VN prologue beforehand changes the viewing experience a lot. Or did you read the VN as well?
First episode rocked my socks. Best premiere of the season, easily.
Quote from: goody2shoes on October 06, 2014, 03:41:44 AM
Foggle: Yup, I agree with Cartoon X. That article also helped me get interested in the manga, so I'm looking forward to the next one.
Wow, I'm honored! How did you find my article, if I may ask?
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I think I was just curious about the differences and googled "excel saga manga vs anime" or something like that. This was before I'd watched the show, had only seen some funny clips. There isn't a lot of coverage of the manga, so this article and that one (http://judgereviews.wordpress.com/2010/04/20/the-ultimate-showdown-excel-saga-manga-vs-anime/) were the most informative.
Nice edit, did you make it? :lol:
I wish that was my edit! But nah, Mahou linked it to me. It's from Tumblr, but I'm not sure who exactly made it. Archer is one of my favorite shows. :swoon:
Glad my article was easy to find! Might be the only one from our entire blog. :lol:
That latest Archer/Rin Tohsaka edit is just perfect. I've a feeling there's going to be more edits with them as the series progresses (I hope!) :shakeshakeshake:
Well.. I feel like I'm a little late for the party as I haven't seen the first episode of UBW yet. Judging by the mostly positive response it's had, this certainly could be worth checking out. I already know the quality must be surpassing that godawful UBW movie by far. How could it not.
If I worked for Aniplex, I'd get H. Jon Benjamin to voice Archer in the dub.
The first episode was amazing. Way better than both Deen adaptations and even the original VN IMO.
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It could've used this.
I still can't believe that there are people out there who think Prisma Illya is the best part of Fate.
There are people out there who think Carnival Phantasm is the best part of Fate.
There are some people that think the Fate route and Shinji Matou are the best parts of Fate
Quote from: Homura Akemi on October 11, 2014, 12:27:39 PM
Saber is waifu, though.
I can't wait until the Heaven's Feel movies just to see the reactions of all the Saber fans.
I'm excited for this next episode though, even if it is just going to be Shirou's daily life with some tracing and a fight scene at the end.
What if Heaven's Feel is just one single movie and it has the same pacing as Deen's UBW?
Quote from: Foggle on October 11, 2014, 01:00:13 PM
What if Heaven's Feel is just one single movie and it has the same pacing as Deen's UBW?
What if it was 60 minutes of cooking?
Episode 1 was... alright?
I'm feeling iffy about the character animation, they're overly expressive at times which makes some characters seem even more 2 dimensional than in the novel. Shinji in particular feels even more like a cartoon villain, which makes it jarring that he actually has fangirls.
Edit: I guess what I'm trying to say is, the humor falls flat. Not ufo's strong point.
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Saber vs Lancer was a phenomenal fight as usual. However they overdid the Gae Bolg IMO, it wasn't a magical beam in the VN and they could've shown the reality bending nature of it with some clever camera tricks instead of the weird time reversal.
I like the X-ray scene with the radiator, and Fuji-nee is entertaining as always. The harem is pretty obvious, though, and I wish they'd downplayed that instead of hinting at Fate/HF routes, but oh well. We can only go up from here.
Honestly, I liked episode 1 quite a bit. The characters didn't really bother me at all. Shinji was the only one who was a bit over the top, but looking back at Fate/Zero, I almost felt like for such a grand plot, many of the characters felt a tad bit too stoic for their own good, and the ones I enjoyed the most were those willing to be more expressive, such as Rider. I didn't care for that psychopath guy or his servant, though. That was a bit too much over the top, even for me.
Mind you, I don't have the visual novel to compare this to, but based on what I've seen, I enjoyed what I saw as much as the prologue, and it's far better than the Studio Deen anime by miles.
Quote from: goody2shoes on October 12, 2014, 12:58:20 PM
Episode 1 was... alright?
I'm feeling iffy about the character animation, they're overly expressive at times which makes some characters seem even more 2 dimensional than in the novel. Shinji in particular feels even more like a cartoon villain, which makes it jarring that he actually has fangirls.
Edit: I guess what I'm trying to say is, the humor falls flat. Not ufo's strong point.
The harem is pretty obvious, though, and I wish they'd downplayed that instead of hinting at Fate/HF routes, but oh well. We can only go up from here.
The humor is about a million times better in the anime than in the VN IMO. Ufotable may not be great at comedy, but they're leagues above Nasu in that regard. I love the overly expressive animation, because it really gives the characters personality and showcases just what I love about cartoons in general. And yeah, Shinji's a pretty unrealistic character, but he's no different here from how he was in the VN. If anything, Ufotable's writers actually made him less over the top evil.
Honestly, I'm really impressed with this adaptation so far. I loved the story, fight scenes, and lore in the F/SN visual novel, but I hated the characters, dialogue, exposition, and comedy. Ufotable is improving or removing everything I disliked, and while I can see why this might make some unhappy if they enjoyed those aspects, it's a pretty perfect adaptation so far in my eyes.
Also, the only harem route is Fate, so I don't think we'll be seeing those elements past episode 2.
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on October 12, 2014, 01:03:24 PM
I didn't care for that psychopath guy or his servant, though. That was a bit too much over the top, even for me.
I actually liked Ryuunosuke and Caster, but yeah, they were the weakest characters by far, except for maybe Berserker (though his sheer coolness made up for that).
Heaven's Feel DOES sound like the title of a hentai, so I suppose it fits the description. :humhumhum:
Something I've always wondered about:
Is there in in-story reason given for why almost everyone participating in these Holy Grail wars, featuring servant classes that take worldwide figures from all over myth and history outside of Japanese origin, happen to be Japanese people? Are there just so few other magic users outside of Japan that they barely participate in this? Or is it just because Japanese audiences don't give a flying fuck about non-Japanese characters? I'm honestly just curious.
I hope I'm making the correct choice watching this before Fate/Zero. I can tell they threw in some references to the earlier show, but they said in interviews this would be a standalone thing. So hopefully they won't go overboard. :sweat:
Quote from: Foggle on October 12, 2014, 01:24:03 PM
I love the overly expressive animation, because it really gives the characters personality and showcases just what I love about cartoons in general. And yeah, Shinji's a pretty unrealistic character, but he's no different here from how he was in the VN. If anything, Ufotable's writers actually made him less over the top evil.
Don't get me wrong: I like that kind of animation as well, it's what drew me into Excel Saga. It's just that to me, it feels out of place in Fate/stay night. Especially in scenes where the tone/context doesn't call for it. Shinji barking at Shirou in the classroom, for instance. In the VN I felt "What a sleezeball". Here I was more bothered by the way he flung his arms around and pranced back to his desk, it just didn't feel natural to me. I agree that he was always an unrealistic character though, at least from having read Fate.
Quote from: Foggle on October 12, 2014, 01:24:03 PMHonestly, I'm really impressed with this adaptation so far. I loved the story, fight scenes, and lore in the F/SN visual novel, but I hated the characters, dialogue, exposition, and comedy. Ufotable is improving or removing everything I disliked, and while I can see why this might make some unhappy if they enjoyed those aspects, it's a pretty perfect adaptation so far in my eyes.
I'll agree that the original isn't Nobel price worthy. I guess my idea of improvement was different from how ufo has handled it, though.
Quote from: Foggle on October 12, 2014, 01:24:03 PMAlso, the only harem route is Fate, so I don't think we'll be seeing those elements past episode 2.
I wasn't referring to
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, rather the typical VN "choose a girl" scenario. But yeah, it shouldn't be a big deal since the paths branch early.
Just watched this, and I have to say that my favorite fight was Saber's fight at the end.
Solid premiere, all in all.
Quote from: goody2shoes on October 12, 2014, 02:38:24 PM
I hope I'm making the correct choice watching this before Fate/Zero. I can tell they threw in some references to the earlier show, but they said in interviews this would be a standalone thing. So hopefully they won't go overboard. :sweat:
Zero spoils some things from Heaven's Feel, so if you haven't read the entire VN, watch UBW and the HF movies first. The references all just seem to be expanded scenes from the VN anyway, so I think it'll stand alone pretty well. That said, for someone who hadn't read the VN at all, I'd suggest watching Zero first, since it explains some of the important things from the Fate route which will not be covered in this series.
QuoteDon't get me wrong: I like that kind of animation as well, it's what drew me into Excel Saga. It's just that to me, it feels out of place in Fate/stay night. Especially in scenes where the tone/context doesn't call for it.
I can see your point there, definitely. I, personally, love that kind of animation in all contexts because something about it just makes me smile. I'm a huge fan of silly, over the top, and expressive animation, which is one of the reasons why I love Space Dandy, Gurren Lagann, Panty & Stocking, and Redline so much. ;D
QuoteShinji barking at Shirou in the classroom, for instance. In the VN I felt "What a sleezeball". Here I was more bothered by the way he flung his arms around and pranced back to his desk, it just didn't feel natural to me. I agree that he was always an unrealistic character though, at least from having read Fate.
Ah, okay. I was referring more to his dialogue, but I get what you mean now. :)
Quote from: Avaitor on October 12, 2014, 03:12:18 PM
Just watched this, and I have to say that my favorite fight was Saber's fight at the end.
Solid premiere, all in all.
Sounds like you watched episode 1, which is actually the second episode. Be sure to watch episode 0 too! ;)
I think I knew about 0, but for some reason, I could only find episode 1. I'll try to find it later tonight, then!
I liked the episode a lot as I probably will with all the episodes and I thought it did pretty well to adapt the VN without giving lots and lots of exposition. I only really have a few small gripes with it namely to do with how they went about Gáe Bolg being animated, seeing as it's more like a laser beam in Ufotable's version and that it looks more like it rewinds time rather than "changing causality". In the end though it doesn't matter much since it's just their adaptation of it. I actually liked it more than the VN in some ways.
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Quote from: FinalGoji on October 12, 2014, 04:06:03 PMGáe Bolg
Sorry in advance for this, but I'm gonna geek out a bit. My wonderful mousepainting skills will show how I would have done it (read up-down, not left-right):
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The spear appears to be thrust into the ground, yet somehow ends up in Saber's chest seemingly without changing direction.
The second last panel is meant to pan out while it rotates to the proper position. Doesn't really show that it reverses causality, but it shows the impossible path of the spear, illustrating the reality bending nature of the attack.
The key here is hiding things from the viewer (hence the zoomed in spear). It works in the same way non euclidean artwork does, relying on the perspective it's drawn from. Now the viewer is confused, and you top it off with Saber's line about reversing causality, and boom.
Quote from: Foggle on October 10, 2014, 11:40:16 PM
If I worked for Aniplex, I'd get H. Jon Benjamin to voice Archer in the dub.
I REALLY wish that could happen. Just because.
Quote from: Foggle on October 10, 2014, 11:40:16 PMThe first episode was amazing. Way better than both Deen adaptations and even the original VN IMO.
Agreed. I gave the episode 0 prologue a watch last night and was very pleased with it. It clocked in at nearly 3/4 of an hour and heard episode 1 will be about just as long - something I've never recently seen for a TV anime series outside from some OVAs. This Ufotable adaption compliments the VN so well, I had instant flashbacks to when I last played it a few years ago. Some background scene art and POV moments with certain characters seems so perfectly in line with the VN - except this time we don't have all the excruciating, long-winded dialogue.
Quote from: Foggle on October 11, 2014, 12:01:26 AM
I still can't believe that there are people out there who think Prisma Illya is the best part of Fate.
I've avoided it like a plague. As a so-called spinoff from Fate, it seems too shallow for my tastes. I would tell them..
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Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on October 11, 2014, 12:09:06 AM
There are people out there who think Carnival Phantasm is the best part of Fate.
I thought it was a fun self-parody of TYPE-MOON's works. But... the best part of Fate? Just no. Like Prisma Illya, it has very little to do with Fate.
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Quote from: FinalGoji on October 11, 2014, 12:23:56 PM
There are some people that think the Fate route and Shinji Matou are the best parts of Fate
Saber is waifu, though.
Saber is everyone's waifu. Biggest polygamist situation ever. So horrible! :lol:
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Quote from: Lord Il on October 12, 2014, 08:19:51 PM
except this time we don't have all the excruciating, long-winded dialogue.
This is precisely why I like Ufotable's Type-Moon adaptations so much. They're not just great animators and directors, they're great script editors too. :el_hail:
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I love this image.
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Both of these are beautiful. :il_hahaha: :il_hahaha:
I'm almost done with episode 0, and yeah, this is a pretty good prologue. The show is going to be great~
I think that this show will benefit from the 2 main leads, Shirou and Rin, being far more likable than their "fathers" from Zero. Kiritsugu had an interesting past and was essentially someone who had good intentions at heart, but ultimately went about trying to attain his goals in much less than ideal ways. It made his character interesting, but also hard to sympathize with.
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Tokiomi, on the other hand, was a total dick. I mean, he was nice to his family, but his superiority complex to others was a total turnoff, and in general his overconfident nature got the better of him. I was SO glad to see him get his comeuppance when Kotomine betrayed him by quite literally stabbing him in the back.
I actually loved Kiritsugu; not in the sense that he was "likable" (he wasn't), but I thought he was very well written and interesting, especially in contrast with Shirou. He's my favorite character in all of Fate.
I agree that this show will benefit greatly from Shirou and Rin being enjoyable characters, but not in contrast with Fate/Zero... in contrast with the VN. Neither of them were at all likable in the original work IMO, at least not until the last few hours of Unlimited Blade Works and subsequently Heaven's Feel. It's nice to see that this adaptation is making good choices involving the alterations of their early dialogue and personalities.
Quote from: Avaitor on October 13, 2014, 06:15:13 PM
I'm almost done with episode 0, and yeah, this is a pretty good prologue. The show is going to be great~
Glad you liked it! I forget, did you watch Fate/Zero? If you're enjoying UBW and haven't seen Zero yet, I recommend going back and watching it!
I liked Kiritsugu as a character as well. As I said, he was an interesting character. I just didn't find him to actually be a likable or sympathetic character (which I'm OK with since that was obviously the intention) is what I meant. I did hate Tokiomi, though.
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on October 13, 2014, 07:17:12 PM
I liked Kiritsugu as a character as well. As I said, he was an interesting character. I just didn't find him to actually be a likable or sympathetic character (which I'm OK with since that was obviously the intention) is what I meant. I did hate Tokiomi, though.
Yeah, I know what you meant. It just seems like most people outright hate Kiritsugu or consider him boring, so I wanted to state that I thought he was a great character. ;)
Tokiomi was an asshole. Good fashion sense and facial hair, though.
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Quote from: Avaitor on October 13, 2014, 06:15:13 PM
I'm almost done with episode 0, and yeah, this is a pretty good prologue. The show is going to be great~
Glad you liked it! I forget, did you watch Fate/Zero? If you're enjoying UBW and haven't seen Zero yet, I recommend going back and watching it!
Yeah, I have, but I forgot to comment on it. I thin F/Z was great, so I'm glad to catch UBW.
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This is the first episode that played out very similarly to how it did in the first anime, but it's the exposition part, so it is what it is. It didn't really teach me anything that I didn't already know, though.
This was okay.
God, imagine if our Fate thread was like this. (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2902782&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)
I hope ufotable keeps the DEEN part where Rin awkwardly tries to arouse Saber and Shirou enough to engage in hot dragon sex.
Alright, this episode was a lot better than last week's. I'm so glad that we got all of that exposition out of the way. This one seemed to be primarily action-packed to make up for that, so although we didn't get too many new plot developments, it was still just really fun to watch the fight. That said, my one criticism is that, although it was visually very fun to watch, I didn't get any sense of tension from this fight like I did in some of the ones from Fate/Zero, where you knew that at least one person wasn't going to love through an encounter by the end of it, most of the time. Over here, it was just way too obvious that nobody would die or get seriously injured, probably because it was a confrontation between important characters, so I knew that it would be way too early for any of them to be killed off. In that regard, it's still not as strong as the first 2 character-heavy episodes of the show, but as a way to let off some steam after the boredom from last week, it was definitely a breath of fresh air.
The episode was good again, of course, and its shaping up to be extremely faithful to the Visual Novel in almost every regard but everybody knew that anyway. The new scenes are pretty nice too like the Gil and Kirei dialogue in the Church though it was a little strange seeing Ilya use actual magic. I'm still more impressed with how Ufotable have the ability to just insert "spoilers" in plain sight so easily like that.
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After watching the ufotable version of the Kirei exposition and then being forced to watch the DEEN version, Kirei looks like a shoujo villain
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He is not pleased about it either
Lots of anime original scenes in the episode this week, and all of them were well done. Really liking the way the new content/rewritten dialogue has improved the characters. Seems like ufotable are definitely sequelizing UBW though, so anyone who hasn't seen Fate/Zero should probably watch it first.
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Yay! Its dead!
Did it finally explode after rehashing itself 5k times?
Quote from: Painted Outlaw on February 06, 2018, 08:21:55 PM
Did it finally explode after rehashing itself 5k times?
Nah Shinbo did it.