I noticed this didn't have a thread, and since it was recently named the first third greatest anime of all time, I felt we needed a place for everyone to give their opinions on it. And I just felt like making a thread.
All you need to know is that Trigun is to me what Yu Yu Hakusho is to Ensatsu-ken, and leave it at that.
Where was it named third greatest anime of all time? It's my third favorite show of all time, but I have a hard time believing someone objectivley ranked it that high in a best anime list.
Anyway, the first time I watched Trigun was the episode that aired on Toonami's april fools stunt last year. I became interested, to say the least, and started watching the show on Netflix (back when they had more anime :(). I was hooked from episode one, and the show just got better and better with every episode after that, and I finished it before April was even done.
I love all the small details in the story and how Vash's character is established and built in the early episodes, so that by the time Legato shows up I already cared about what was going to happen to Vash and what his past was. I also like how commited Vash was to his ideals and how he shouldered his burdens while still putting on a smile. It was really insprirational in a way, but also made his character a little but tragic and made the 24th and 25th episodes of the series pretty heartbreaking (okay, the end of 25 gives hope for Vash, but its depressing to see him at the beginning of that episode). The final fight between Vash and Knives was intense, and I personally thought the ending worked, although I think the manga's ending worked a lot better and made just a tad bit more sense to me. But the anime's is still great.
Wolfwood is great, layered character as well, a perfect compliment to Vash's character and has one of the most memorable death scenes I've seen in an anime. And Legato, truly, is one of the greatest villains ever to exist in animation. I get chills thinking about his theme right now. Of course, the rest of the Gung-Ho Guns and Knives aren't quite the most interesting villains out there (although Knives is still has strong characterization that makes him a great dangerous villain), and for most of them I prefer their manga counterparts, but since the focus was always on Vash's character and his struggle to keep his promise to Rem, I was able to overlook this aspect of the series and kept enjoying the ride.
Speaking of the manga, I like it quite a lot and it's one of my favorite mangas now. I think the anime's story, however, is on the whole more solid, as the last twenty or so chapters of the manga could get a little muddled, cluttered, and confusing at times. Pretty much all the Gung-Ho Guns that appear in the Maximum portion are better characterized, though, and I thought Knives had more to him than just being the complete monster he was in the anime. Legato is very different than how he is in the anime, but I liked the obessive version of him in the manga a lot as well, even though he's not the threatening, dangerous figure he is in the anime. And finally, I will say this about the manga: Wolfwood and Vash v. Livio/Razlo and Chapel and Livio/Razlo v. Eleindra are two of the most brutal, intense, epic fights I have ever read in any manga EVER. Seriously, I love them.
Trigun: Badlands Rumble is an okay anime movie. Not really a must-see, but it had a solid plot and kept me entertained throughout. I wish they would just make a remake of the anime that adapted the manga's story, though. That would be epic. :thumbup:
Quote from: Cartoon X on March 18, 2013, 05:48:23 PM
Where was it named third greatest anime of all time? It's my third favorite show of all time, but I have a hard time believing someone objectivley ranked it that high in a best anime list.
He's semi-joking. About a month ago we had a greatest anime game thread, and when we got down to the final results, Trigun came in 3rd place among those of us that voted, while Monster came in 2nd place, and Cowboy Bebop in 1st place. He's saying that Trigun was collectively ranked as the 3rd best anime among us, though its his overall favorite anime.
I LOVE Trigun, myself. Personally I think its at least as good as Cowboy Bebop, which I know is saying a lot, but it really is that damn good. Of course, I love all 3 of the space westerns, including Outlaw Star, but I love how Trigun has a good combination of the stellar action from Cowboy Bebop, the absurd comedy elements from Outlaw Star, and even the kind-hearted but insanely bad-ass hero figure in Vash the Stampede who is much akin to Kenshin Himura from Rurouni Kenshin. It basically combines the elements of 3 other great shows into 1, which is one reason that I love the show so much. Aside from that, though, its just an all-around well-written story with great characters. I still want to check out the manga one of these days, but even if this isn't technically a faithful anime adaptation, its commonly agreed that its one of the best anime adaptations around among those that deviate from their source material.
As for Bad-Lands rumble, it was really just a glorified over-extended filler episode, more than anything else. Its not bad by any means, but not really very good, either. Its just a passable movie that doesn't really do much of anything for long-time fans of the series or complete newcomers. Its kind of just....there.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on March 18, 2013, 05:58:39 PM
I LOVE Trigun, myself. Personally I think its at least as good as Cowboy Bebop, which I know is saying a lot, but it really is that damn good. Of course, I love all 3 of the space westerns, including Outlaw Star, but I love how Trigun has a good combination of the stellar action from Cowboy Bebop, the absurd comedy elements from Outlaw Star, and even the kind-hearted but insanely bad-ass hero figure in Vash the Stampede who is much akin to Kenshin Himura from Rurouni Kenshin. It basically combines the elements of 3 other great shows into 1, which is one reason that I love the show so much. Aside from that, though, its just an all-around well-written story with great characters.
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Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on March 18, 2013, 05:58:39 PM
He's semi-joking. About a month ago we had a greatest anime game thread, and when we got down to the final results, Trigun came in 3rd place among those of us that voted, while Monster came in 2nd place, and Cowboy Bebop in 1st place. He's saying that Trigun was collectively ranked as the 3rd best anime among us, though its his overall favorite anime.
Ah, I see then. I love
Trigun, but sadly I've never seen it in a top anime list before, which is why I was skeptical. Thanks for the clarification!
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on March 18, 2013, 05:58:39 PM
I LOVE Trigun, myself. Personally I think its at least as good as Cowboy Bebop, which I know is saying a lot, but it really is that damn good. Of course, I love all 3 of the space westerns, including Outlaw Star, but I love how Trigun has a good combination of the stellar action from Cowboy Bebop, the absurd comedy elements from Outlaw Star, and even the kind-hearted but insanely bad-ass hero figure in Vash the Stampede who is much akin to Kenshin Himura from Rurouni Kenshin. It basically combines the elements of 3 other great shows into 1, which is one reason that I love the show so much. Aside from that, though, its just an all-around well-written story with great characters.
Trigun is my favorite of the three as well. Vash really is just a very well written, layered character. Spike is too, but Vash was just far more endearing to me. Really one of my favorite anime characters, truly.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on March 18, 2013, 05:58:39 PM
I still want to check out the manga one of these days, but even if this isn't technically a faithful anime adaptation, its commonly agreed that its one of the best anime adaptations around among those that deviate from their source material.
Personally, I'd say the story of the anime is stronger than the manga's, but the villains in the manga, especially Knives, have more layers to them, making their interactions with Vash and Wolfwood more of a struggle between human beings (most of the time, at least) than Vash against an outright villain. There are some parts of the manga I have problems with as well, like the often confusing imagery of the final twenty chapters, and the redemption of a certian Gung-Ho Gun which works, but comes off too sudden and thus a little questionable. Meryl and Millie are also not quite as well-written as their anime counterparts, but since the manga focuses of Vash and Wolfwood for the most part, it isn't that much of a problem. Despite these criticisms, though, I do think the manga is a great read and it really is one of my favorites, so I'd say you should give it a shot, even though you might not like it as much as the anime.
I never posted in here? Well, here it goes.
Trigun is my favorite anime (Yes, there's Monster but there's a difference here) and probably the one I can rewatch the most and never get bored of. The comedy is genuinely funny, the characters are all distinctive and memorable (Vash and Wolfwood are my favorite anime protagonists by far), the action is amazingly well directed, the music is perfect for atmosphere-building and just plain great mood setting, and the general story is excellent.
There's also the general battle between good and evil, the theme of repentance and forgiveness, the contrasting ideals of the outlaw wanderer Vash the Stampede (the optimistic idealist who has problems being realistic) and the traveling priest Nicholas D. Wolfwood (the pessimistic realist who has problems understanding others) make for great foils to each other and bounce off each other for great character moments and some of my favorite story beats in any anime. The Gung-Ho Guns are all very different in their ideals and motives (something I didn't catch until I was older) from the despair of Legato Bluesummers (Who loathes those who control, but has no problems doing it himself) to Chapel (Who realized the error of his ways a bit too late) they all have their reasons for doing what they do.
Knives is frequently regarded as shallow, but I always thought that was the point. Vash is the one who took the time to learn about people, their history, and the world, he's the one who made an effort to learn and grow. Knives never lost his childish and simple goal of 'they're imperfect and are therefore objectively junk', which makes him only grow in bitterness in his inability to understand Vash even slightly never understanding why he had to shoot him so many years ago or why he confronted him at every opportunity. Knives is the only foil to Vash that would work, Legato is close but being that he hates himself more than Vash it would never quite be as strong a fight. Knives simply refuses to understand, and Vash is the only one who does understand.
The final battle proves it. Vash is able to beat Knives because of all the connections and things he learned along the way, whereas all Knives can do is destroy and use the same skills over and over. Vash uses Wolfwood's cross, his promise to the girls, his gun-skills he learned over the years, and Rem's ideals to topple a monster like Knives without killing him. Vash proves that he was right all along and that Knives was wrong.
Another thing I like, and this might not be popular around here, is that while the action is pretty intense, it isn't gory or extreme. I know Trigun Maximum goes over the top (though I didn't read much of it, I didn't like it quite as much as the anime) but in Trigun when people get shot you typically don't see giant spurts of blood or exploding flesh. Which... you shouldn't. This grounds the over-the-top action and makes it fun at the same time since you never know when a scene will be played for laughs or not until the dialogue begins.
It's only 26 episodes long. So? It told a story and it ended where it should have ended. I'm not sure where Trigun Maximum really goes, but the anime had a story, and told it. Monster was a straight adaption, but Trigun took the source material and made its own story, and wildly succeeded. Though it came out while ago, it's still an enjoyable watch today. I also have to praise the dub voices as being perfectly cast. I still think Johnny Young Bosch is perfect as Vash and Jeff Nimoy does a great Wolfwood, not to mention the rest of the cast (outside of a random townsfolk here or there) this was one of the few anime where I think the dub beats out the original sub pretty handily.
Anyway, there it is. Trigun is my favorite anime series. (Monster is second for being a straight adaption)
I still need to re-watch Trigun. I definitely liked it the first time through, but I think I'd probably appreciate it more today.
Also, over the top action is over the top action. It's fun to watch whether there's extreme gore or no gore IMO. ;D
The thing is, in Trigun, the action can flow from serious to comical or the other way around in the blink of an eye. If there was blood spurting everywhere it wouldn't fit with the tone. That doesn't mean it can't work for other shows, but for Trigun it wouldn't.
But you really should re-watch it. I like it more now than when I first saw it.
This is one anime I'll get the complete boxset of ASAP. I can kinda see why people like it more than Bebop, tbh.
Quote from: Foggle on August 28, 2013, 12:15:16 AM
Also, over the top action is over the top action. It's fun to watch whether there's extreme gore or no gore IMO. ;D
Preach on, brother. :thumbup:
I like the OP theme better. :>
I always liked Trigun, it's just one of those shows that gets better as you get older I guess. At some point I realized I liked it more than Cowboy Bebop, which was an odd moment, let me tell you.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on August 28, 2013, 12:18:53 AM
The thing is, in Trigun, the action can flow from serious to comical or the other way around in the blink of an eye. If there was blood spurting everywhere it wouldn't fit with the tone. That doesn't mean it can't work for other shows, but for Trigun it wouldn't.
Oh, absolutely. Trigun splattered with jars of tomato sauce would be like Metal Gear Rising without ketchup volcanoes. It just wouldn't work. ;)
QuoteBut you really should re-watch it. I like it more now than when I first saw it.
It's definitely at the top of my "revisit" list, along with Champloo. I recently gave Gurren Lagann (which I wasn't a fan of when it aired) another shot and absolutely loved it, so I don't see any reason why I wouldn't like Trigun even more on a second viewing. :)
Quote from: Rynnec on August 28, 2013, 12:22:01 AM
This is one anime I'll get the complete boxset of ASAP. I can kinda see why people like it more than Bebop, tbh.
Certainly, but I've never understood why people compare them. They're pretty different shows, despite both being sci-fi anime westerns. Now, Bebop and Outlaw Star, on the other hand...
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on August 28, 2013, 12:30:00 AM
I like the OP theme better. :>
H.T. is amazing (top 5 for sure), but nothing beats Tank! or Guns & Roses for me. :thumbup:
Tank! is amazing, don't get me wrong, but H.T. gets me pumped every time I hear it. Trigun's soundtrack of rock, western jangle, and rhythm beats, is some of my favorite anime music.
I'd say only Tank!, You Get To Burning, and Freckles, comes close for me.
What about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0jNYDjBz6E ? :(
Quote from: Foggle on August 28, 2013, 12:41:57 AM
What about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0jNYDjBz6E ? :(
Oh, duh. :P
Forgot about Lupin!
We have Trigun on Netflix over here, so I'll give ti a re-watch sometime soon. It's one of my top 10 favorite anime (my favorite is still Yu Yu Hakusho, of course), and Vash and Wolfwood are 2 of my favorite anime characters ever. I also like this show better than Cowboy Bebop and Outlaw Star, and I LOVE both of those shows, so that's saying a lot.
Watching the movie was what inspired me to go back through the series. Badlands Rumble might just be an extended episode, but watching it proved to me there isn't quite another anime out there like it.
I still really like Cowboy Bebop and Outlaw Star, but Trigun is my favorite of the three.
Count me in on one of those who likes H.T ever so slightly better than Tank!. Through the Night beats them both though.
QuoteCertainly, but I've never understood why people compare them. They're pretty different shows, despite both being sci-fi anime westerns. Now, Bebop and Outlaw Star, on the other hand...
Probably due to both of them coming out around the same time, and being Space Westerns (even though how they combine sci-fi and westerns is very different).
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on August 28, 2013, 12:55:01 AM
Watching the movie was what inspired me to go back through the series. Badlands Rumble might just be an extended episode, but watching it proved to me there isn't quite another anime out there like it.
I still really like Cowboy Bebop and Outlaw Star, but Trigun is my favorite of the three.
I'm gonna try and give Badlands Rumble a rewatch this weekend. I wouldn't mind more one-shot movies for Trigun, it really lends itself well to the idea (for obvious reasons).
It's not amazing or anything, but it's more Trigun so it's more than welcome to me. Just the way the plot, characters, and action scenes play out is Trigun to its fullest and I think we're just so used to Trigun that we don't realize we haven't had anything like it since the series ended. Sort of like the Cowboy Bebop movie, actually.
I do remember when the first volume came out a long time ago animefringe (an old anime online magazine) gave the first volume a D grade. Even at the time I wondered what he was going on about.
Yeah, there hasn't been an anime that blends style and substance so masterfully, while still feeling inspired like the Space Westerns are. Not too say there aren't any other anime that blend style and substance, or feel inspired, but they just don't have that same "feeling".
Agreed, but I think Fujiko Mine and Baccano come close.
Ugh, there's nothing wrong with Monster being a straight adaptation. How exactly could it have been better if they changed things around? I think how they adapted a manga that was like a western comic book into anime is praise worthy enough. By western comic-like, I mean how it had moments where you can't tell who an offscreen (usually talking) character is which is common in western comic books. The Monster anime team handled that in a number of ways like making characters change their voice so the surprise won't be given away or how I assume they had Roberto knocking on a door in a certain scene instead of talking. Monster's story didn't need to be changed 'for the better` at all. Usually only battle shonen need story changes for various reasons.
And it's even dumber that ek complained about Monster being a straight adaptation without reading the manga (at least at the time) How would you know if Monster could be better if they changed things in the anime if you haven't read the original story? Please tell me how. Just because some of your favorite shonen anime had some great changes from their manga doesn't mean it should automatically apply to Monster. It's very different from those.
Quote from: gunswordfist on August 28, 2013, 03:13:26 AM
And it's even dumber that ek complained about Monster being a straight adaptation without reading the manga (at least at the time) How would you know if Monster could be better if they changed things in the anime if you haven't read the original story? Please tell me how. Just because some of your favorite shonen anime had some great changes from their manga doesn't mean it should automatically apply to Monster. It's very different from those.
I read the manga way before I watched the anime. Foggle, Desensitized, and Avaitor can all even vouch for this. Where did you even get your facts from? For that matter, I was a fan of BOTH the manga and anime long before you were. Don't tell me that now you are being like Talon and pulling shit straight out of your ass just because you can't come up with any decent arguments against people's opinions.
Also, how do you even know what my reasons are when you clearly never even heard them? Please tell me how? I don't mind Monster as a straight adaptation, but since you clearly don't actually read any of my actual opinions on anything (as proof by the fact that you even got your information about my history with the series dead wrong), I'll go ahead and make it simple for you: it's a little thing called effort. The writers of Yu Yu Hakusho IMPROVED upon the source material and made it a great watch for both people who had never read the manga as well as people who had read the manga. It didn't change the story (which isn't what I even wanted in Monster, which you clearly don't get because you never even knew what my argument was), but rather enhanced it by adding in great character moments where they could and should exist in the story, and also better explaining some material that was very vaguely explained in the manga. Of course, you wouldn't know this because you never read the YYH manga, yet you have the balls to criticize me for not reading Monster when I actually did read the whole thing an entire year before the anime was even broadcast on Sy-Fy.
Basically, my point is that I'm not asking the writers to change the story, but to use their talents to do more with it than just copy/paste the manga. I liked the anime fine, for that matter, but I found the manga to be MUCH better because it was much more enjoyable when I read it for the first time, whereas all the anime did was just take what the manga did and add color, just a little bit of motion, voice-acting, and some music in the background. That's just standard-procedure. It's nothing special. Talented writers could at least use their abilities to expand the world and characters a bit. Really, all the Monster anime was for me was a glorified motion comic, which I never even said was a bad thing, but if that's all it's going to be I'd prefer reading the manga since I can at least go over that at my own pace. I will say that I really enjoyed the English dub for the anime, which is why I stuck around for the whole thing, but a dumb-ass like yourself wouldn't get that there is more to a quality adaptation than just playing it safe and copying exactly what the original author did. The fact that you give people credit for that is ridiculous.
Trigun took the source material and improved on it as a whole. Monster took it and presented it as is.
There's nothing wrong with what Monster did (since the manga is pretty flawless), but as an original work I would rather watch the Trigun anime over reading the Trigun manga.
I can't say the same for Monster.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on August 28, 2013, 05:35:07 PM
Trigun took the source material and improved on it as a whole. Monster took it and presented it as is.
There's nothing wrong with what Monster did (since the manga is pretty flawless), but as an original work I would rather watch the Trigun anime over reading the Trigun manga.
I can't say the same for Monster.
Yeah, pretty much this. I enjoyed watching the dub of Monster once. From now on, though, I'd rather just re-read the manga every time I want to go through the story again, rather than watch the anime again. To be honest, even the first time I watched the anime felt less interesting than when I read the manga, because being that I read the manga first (once again, I'd just like to point out what an idiot GSF is) the anime was 100% predictable for me and didn't throw in anything new or original that could really entice me to watch it over reading the manga.
Something like Trigun is actually different enough from it's source material (yet keeps the same spirit of the manga) in a way that you can read the manga and really enjoy it, but still watch the anime and love it just as much or even more for how different, yet how great, it really is.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on August 28, 2013, 11:39:28 AM
Quote from: gunswordfist on August 28, 2013, 03:13:26 AM
And it's even dumber that ek complained about Monster being a straight adaptation without reading the manga (at least at the time) How would you know if Monster could be better if they changed things in the anime if you haven't read the original story? Please tell me how. Just because some of your favorite shonen anime had some great changes from their manga doesn't mean it should automatically apply to Monster. It's very different from those.
I read the manga way before I watched the anime. Foggle, Desensitized, and Avaitor can all even vouch for this. Where did you even get your facts from? For that matter, I was a fan of BOTH the manga and anime long before you were. Don't tell me that now you are being like Talon and pulling shit straight out of your ass just because you can't come up with any decent arguments against people's opinions.
Also, how do you even know what my reasons are when you clearly never even heard them? Please tell me how? I don't mind Monster as a straight adaptation, but since you clearly don't actually read any of my actual opinions on anything (as proof by the fact that you even got your information about my history with the series dead wrong), I'll go ahead and make it simple for you: it's a little thing called effort. The writers of Yu Yu Hakusho IMPROVED upon the source material and made it a great watch for both people who had never read the manga as well as people who had read the manga. It didn't change the story (which isn't what I even wanted in Monster, which you clearly don't get because you never even knew what my argument was), but rather enhanced it by adding in great character moments where they could and should exist in the story, and also better explaining some material that was very vaguely explained in the manga. Of course, you wouldn't know this because you never read the YYH manga, yet you have the balls to criticize me for not reading Monster when I actually did read the whole thing an entire year before the anime was even broadcast on Sy-Fy.
Basically, my point is that I'm not asking the writers to change the story, but to use their talents to do more with it than just copy/paste the manga. I liked the anime fine, for that matter, but I found the manga to be MUCH better because it was much more enjoyable when I read it for the first time, whereas all the anime did was just take what the manga did and add color, just a little bit of motion, voice-acting, and some music in the background. That's just standard-procedure. It's nothing special. Talented writers could at least use their abilities to expand the world and characters a bit. Really, all the Monster anime was for me was a glorified motion comic, which I never even said was a bad thing, but if that's all it's going to be I'd prefer reading the manga since I can at least go over that at my own pace. I will say that I really enjoyed the English dub for the anime, which is why I stuck around for the whole thing, but a dumb-ass like yourself wouldn't get that there is more to a quality adaptation than just playing it safe and copying exactly what the original author did. The fact that you give people credit for that is ridiculous.
Hmmm, I sweared you asked about the manga. :thinkin: I get you dumbasses mixed up. And effort? That's it? There was no reason for them to change anything. They put more than effort into the show. Sounds like you're just using a blanket complaint to me and you named no actually ways they could have improved upon anything. Effort... :D
They could have put more into the action sequences, had less stiff movement, and had a bit more color in there.
So yeah, it could be better. Not to say that it's bad or anything.
One of the funniest line reads in the show:
Frank Marlon: (While Vash is vomiting) ... disgusting.
Vash: I'm sorry!
Just the perfect whiny and pathetic yell, and being told off by a lush? Even funnier.
While I also prefer the anime to the manga, I'd still say Trigun Maximum is fantastic, in different ways. Plot-wise the manga is much, much bigger and the sense of what's at stake is made more intense generally. Mostly, though, I think the manga's strength is in the villains. Pretty much all the Gung-Ho Guns that appear in Maximum are better characters, in that they are more than two-dimensional obstacles serving mainly to force Vash to kill, but actual characters with reasons and feelings that have reasons for doing what they are doing or otherwise have interesting pasts (Emilo and Hoppered in particular come to mind). While Knives works as a foil for Vash in the anime excellently, I have to say that manga Knives is much more interesting in his motivation and character, so overall I enjoyed him more as an antagonist there. I prefer the cold, emotionless Legato in the anime, but Eleindra filled that role sort of and manga Legato is still a great villain through his obsession and devotion to Knives. I loved the story outside of a couple weak parts mainly in the beginning and the last arc, and of course, Wolfwood and Vash vs. Livio/Razlo and Master Chapel and Livio/Razlo v. Eleindra are two of the most epic and brutal fights I've ever read in any manga ever.
My main gripe with Maximum, honestly, is Millie and Meryl, who aren't very well distinguished in personality of characterized in the manga in contrast to the anime where the differences between them and their role in the plot is essential. The art in some scenes can be a little confusing sometimes as well, particularly in the final battle between Vash and Knives. As a whole I prefer the anime, while lacking some of the better characterizations and moments in the manga, because as a whole all it's elements came together in a well-paced, thoughtful, and substantial narrative that felt whole and satisfying every step of the way all the way to the end, whereas the manga, while still great, has it's fair share of weak spots and pacing, and so quality-wise it isn't quite as satisfying in comparison. Still, I think everyone who likes Trigun should read the manga all the way through and make their own opinion, because whether you think it's better than the anime or not, I honestly think it's still a great story, and anyway, anything Trigun is good enough to check out at least once. ;)
Quote from: gunswordfist on August 28, 2013, 10:16:17 PM
Hmmm, I sweared you asked about the manga. :thinkin: I get you dumbasses mixed up. And effort? That's it? There was no reason for them to change anything. They put more than effort into the show. Sounds like you're just using a blanket complaint to me and you named no actually ways they could have improved upon anything. Effort... :D
Uh, Yeah, Nice try attempting to save face for your idiotic accusation, but my point makes perfect sense you dumb-ass. The anime is just a copy and paste job of the manga and the cold hard fact of the matter is that ANY animation studio can do that. I'll give Madhouse credit for not botching up the anime and having a good use of music in there, but there's absolutely nothing about the anime for Monster that makes it worth reading over the manga unless you just plain can't read (which is probably the reason why your dumb-ass thinks so highly of it in the first place).
Is the anime good on its own terms? Sure. But, that's ONLY because every good thing about it is ripped straight out of the manga, with nothing else really added to it in order to enhance the quality. For that matter, I even prefer the anime for Death Note over Monster's anime. On that end, I like the manga for Death Note better, but I like how the anime did do certain things differently from the manga in a noticeable way to differentiate itself, and to me it made the anime a great companion piece to the manga with a reason to actually watch it, even if I liked the manga better (for that matter, I would have found the anime boring on re-watches if it really did nothing new).
That's also the reason why I like Hunter X Hunter (1999) more than the manga AND the 2011 anime. I find the 2011 series to be entertaining because the manga is, but it also has the same weaknesses as the manga, whereas the 1999 version of the series (NOT counting the GI OVAs) at least improved on the portion of the series that it adapted.
Quote from: Cartoon X on August 28, 2013, 10:36:00 PM
While I also prefer the anime to the manga, I'd still say Trigun Maximum is fantastic, in different ways. Plot-wise the manga is much, much bigger and the sense of what's at stake is made more intense generally. Mostly, though, I think the manga's strength is in the villains. Pretty much all the Gung-Ho Guns that appear in Maximum are better characters, in that they are more than two-dimensional obstacles serving mainly to force Vash to kill, but actual characters with reasons and feelings that have reasons for doing what they are doing or otherwise have interesting pasts (Emilo and Hoppered in particular come to mind). While Knives works as a foil for Vash in the anime excellently, I have to say that manga Knives is much more interesting in his motivation and character, so overall I enjoyed him more as an antagonist there. I prefer the cold, emotionless Legato in the anime, but Eleindra filled that role sort of and manga Legato is still a great villain through his obsession and devotion to Knives. I loved the story outside of a couple weak parts mainly in the beginning and the last arc, and of course, Wolfwood and Vash vs. Livio/Razlo and Master Chapel and Livio/Razlo v. Eleindra are two of the most epic and brutal fights I've ever read in any manga ever.
My main gripe with Maximum, honestly, is Millie and Meryl, who aren't very well distinguished in personality of characterized in the manga in contrast to the anime where the differences between them and their role in the plot is essential. The art in some scenes can be a little confusing sometimes as well, particularly in the final battle between Vash and Knives. As a whole I prefer the anime, while lacking some of the better characterizations and moments in the manga, because as a whole all it's elements came together in a well-paced, thoughtful, and substantial narrative that felt whole and satisfying every step of the way all the way to the end, whereas the manga, while still great, has it's fair share of weak spots and pacing, and so quality-wise it isn't quite as satisfying in comparison. Still, I think everyone who likes Trigun should read the manga all the way through and make their own opinion, because whether you think it's better than the anime or not, I honestly think it's still a great story, and anyway, anything Trigun is good enough to check out at least once. ;)
I read the manga a long (long) time ago, but I remember enjoying it well enough. It's most definitely worth reading if you're a Trigun fan, but as a whole it never stuck with me as well as say the Rurouni Kenshin or Monster manga.
I think I might have a volume lying around somewhere... I'll go look for it.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on August 28, 2013, 10:55:32 PM
Quote from: gunswordfist on August 28, 2013, 10:16:17 PM
Hmmm, I sweared you asked about the manga. :thinkin: I get you dumbasses mixed up. And effort? That's it? There was no reason for them to change anything. They put more than effort into the show. Sounds like you're just using a blanket complaint to me and you named no actually ways they could have improved upon anything. Effort... :D
Uh, Yeah, Nice try attempting to save face for your idiotic accusation, but my point makes perfect sense you dumb-ass. The anime is just a copy and paste job of the manga and the cold hard fact of the matter is that ANY animation studio can do that. I'll give Madhouse credit for not botching up the anime and having a good use of music in there, but there's absolutely nothing about the anime for Monster that makes it worth reading over the manga unless you just plain can't read (which is probably the reason why your dumb-ass thinks so highly of it in the first place).
Is the anime good on its own terms? Sure. But, that's ONLY because every good thing about it is ripped straight out of the manga, with nothing else really added to it in order to enhance the quality. For that matter, I even prefer the anime for Death Note over Monster's anime. On that end, I like the manga for Death Note better, but I like how the anime did do certain things differently from the manga in a noticeable way to differentiate itself, and to me it made the anime a great companion piece to the manga with a reason to actually watch it, even if I liked the manga better (for that matter, I would have found the anime boring on re-watches if it really did nothing new).
That's also the reason why I like Hunter X Hunter (1999) more than the manga AND the 2011 anime. I find the 2011 series to be entertaining because the manga is, but it also has the same weaknesses as the manga, whereas the 1999 version of the series (NOT counting the GI OVAs) at least improved on the portion of the series that it adapted.
And yet you still jumped around stating how they could have improved Monster, dumbass. Monster doesn't have HXH's weaknesses nor is it a battle shonen. So next time come back with something more than pointless comparisons, bitch. :thumbup:
Quote from: gunswordfist on August 29, 2013, 09:15:10 PM
And yet you still jumped around stating how they could have improved Monster, dumbass. Monster doesn't have HXH's weaknesses nor is it a battle shonen. So next time come back with something more than pointless comparisons, bitch. :thumbup:
Once again, nice try attempting to cover up your idiocy by making yourself look like even more of an idiot. My point wasn't that they had the same weaknesses. It was that no series is perfect and you can always improve upon the original source material. All the Monster anime did, though, was just rip-off the manga. I guess that's all it takes to impress your feeble mind; because, you know, writers who don't do anything but just copy everything from the source material are geniuses to you and deserve all of the credit (even more so than the original author, according to what you're saying). Yeah, I don't even need to say anything else, you're incredibly stupid logic speaks for itself.
Now, go do everyone a favor and stop killing our brain-cells with your mindless posts, ass-face.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on August 29, 2013, 09:44:31 PM
Quote from: gunswordfist on August 29, 2013, 09:15:10 PM
And yet you still jumped around stating how they could have improved Monster, dumbass. Monster doesn't have HXH's weaknesses nor is it a battle shonen. So next time come back with something more than pointless comparisons, bitch. :thumbup:
Once again, nice try attempting to cover up your idiocy by making yourself look like even more of an idiot. My point wasn't that they had the same weaknesses. It was that no series is perfect and you can always improve upon the original source material. All the Monster anime did, though, was just rip-off the manga. I guess that's all it takes to impress your feeble mind; because, you know, writers who don't do anything but just copy everything from the source material are geniuses to you and deserve all of the credit (even more so than the original author, according to what you're saying). Yeah, I don't even need to say anything else, you're incredibly stupid logic speaks for itself.
Now, go do everyone a favor and stop killing our brain-cells with your mindless posts, ass-face.
No need to fix it if it's not broken. But I guess a moron like you can only appreciate changes even when they aren't needed. And what are Monster's weaknesses btw?
-Urasawa can be overly-heavy on exposition in the manga
-The pacing can get bogged down at times
-Eva's father is an unrealistically 1-dimensional prick, and contrasts most of the fleshed out characters in the rest of the series
Spoiler
-The plot-point with Johan dressing as his sister was actually pretty stupid (one of the few instances of this in the series, but still....)
Those are just some weak points off the top of my head, but as much as I love the series, there's NO such thing as a series without flaws, however big or little they may be. Of course, you misconstrued my point, anyways, because it wasn't JUST about fixing problems, but enhancing the story in general, and adding in some content where it could work. An example of this would be fleshing out the reporter that Tenma was working with before he got killed off so that his death might actually mean a bit more, or they could have gone a bit more into Richard's back-story and character since he was an interesting character who people would probably be generally interested in having known a bit more about, given how pivotal his role was to one of the more major characters in the series.
Of course, a dumb-ass like you who can't comprehend any depth beyond what you find in DBZ probably looks at anything that's dialogue-heavy and thinks: "Oh, there's a lot of talking here and not a lot of action. This must be smart! That means it's perfect in every way!" Really, though it's just that you're too much of a moron to critique anything just because you think it's good.
So, this is basically my argument:
I think it is INGENIOUS for an anime, such as Monster, to do nothing more than crib off it's source material. I mean, it's source material is great, and if I had already read it before watching the anime, the most interesting thing that the anime could EVER do is to do absolutely nothing different and do exactly what is in the manga. That way everything is completely predictable for me and it completely justifies having an anime in the first place; which is so that I can experience the same damn thing I can already get in the manga.
On a side note, I think anime that do anything to differentiate even the slightest bit from their source material are horrid. It doesn't make them superior to their source material. It just makes them shit because they are different in some little or big way. For that reason, anime like Trigun and the original Full Metal Alchemist TV series (which ironically used to be my favorite anime) are some of the worst adaptations ever because they actually dared to tell a different story than their source material. It doesn't matter that they were both true to the spirit and characters of those manga. The fact that they were different automatically makes them inferior because....well, to be quite frank, because I'm too much of a shit-for-brains to actually think of a legitimate reason for why that is (probably because there really isn't one and I'm just a hard-ass).
How nice of you to come around, GSF. But this is a thread about Trigun. Not Monster. We have a separate thread for that. I'll forgive you for being too dumb to read, of course, but any further off-topic discussion on this thread (at least pertaining to this particular subject matter) will be immediately deleted. On that note, if you are displeased with this intervention, than go find yourself a pair of balls to suck on.
Back on-topic:
I just started re-watching this show on Netflix. I have to say, it's really awkward hearing the dub again now that I know its JYB who's voice-acting as Vash. Whenever I here him speak, now, I always keep envisioning either Nero or Ichigo in his place....which definitely isn't a good thing. That said, it's nothing against JYB as a voice-actor. It's just that his voices sound a bit too similar, to me. The rest of the dub cast is pretty great, as well.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on August 30, 2013, 03:44:22 AM
I just started re-watching this show on Netflix. I have to say, it's really awkward hearing the dub again now that I know its JYB who's voice-acting as Vash. Whenever I here him speak, now, I always keep envisioning either Nero or Ichigo in his place....which definitely isn't a good thing. That said, it's nothing against JYB as a voice-actor. It's just that his voices sound a bit too similar, to me.
I think his Vash voice is higher in pitch than Ichigo's, personally. It doesn't bother me because Vash is a super expressive character with all sorts of intricacies that Bosh manages to capture excellently, whereas his Ichigo...just kinda sounds the same in most situations and feels much less passionate, but I guess that's just me. :P
I just hear a blander Vash when I hear him in those roles.
Off-Topic: I agree with EK, but I still prefer the anime to the manga, but that's only because I prefer watching anime to reading manga in general (with exceptions, of course). I really wish the Monster anime had made some improvements, thought.
On-Topic:
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on August 30, 2013, 03:07:21 PM
I just hear a blander Vash when I hear him in those roles.
It looks like GSF doesn't know how to read very well. I'll make myself more clear; any completely off-topic posts on this thread will be deleted immediately. This rule is to prevent idiots (like the one we all know) from completely derailing a topic like he usually tends to do.
As for JYB, I agree that I like his voice for Vash better, if only because he sounds a little bit more enthusiastic in that role, but he has such a distinct tone that I can't help but imagining his other voices that have that same exact tone. It's sort of like how a lot of Steve Blum's serious voices all sound the same. Though, he has some exceptions, like The Green Goblin from The Spectacular Spider-Man and Guilmon from Digimon Tamers (I seriously never knew it was him in either of those roles until I looked at the credits). But, other than that, I can always tell when it's his voice just for how distinct it sounds, even when he tries to hide it, like with Spike (Cowboy Bebop), Mugen (Samurai Champloo), Shishio (Rurouni Kenshin), Onizuka (GTO), Amon (TLA: TLoK), Red Skull (A: EMH), Jamie (Megas XLR), and so on.
In that regard, even if he sounds blander, it still sounds like Vash's voice to me in those roles, and vice-versa. It's just a very....bored sounding Vash, but it's still Vash, all the same.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on August 30, 2013, 03:07:21 PM
I just hear a blander Vash when I hear him in those roles.
I think this is what makes me not care for his other roles outside of Trigun, although, I will admit that I like JYB as Yang in Super Street Fighter 4. He makes Yang sound like a boss. When I first went into Bleach I was actually expecting to hear JYB being enthusiastic, or expecting a Vash moment to come out all of a sudden, but nothing.
It's funny, because in the Trigun movie he sounds a lot more subdued and less-JYB like his other roles yet he still sounds like Vash.
It's really odd.
Never saw the movie dubbed. I always thought JYB wasn't allowed to return as Vash for some reason.
It's Wolfwood, Milly, and Meryl, that were recast. Vash is still JYB.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on August 30, 2013, 07:34:55 PM
It's Woofwood, Milly, and Meryl, that were recast. Vash is still JYB.
WHAT?! So is this movie a continuation or is it more along the lines of being something like Knockin on Heaven's Door?
I think it fits into the TV series' continuity like the Cowboy Bebop movie does.
Ah, so it's safe to assume it takes place before he kicks the bucket.
It's like a random episode of the show where Vash would arrive in a new town and deal with what is going on. Wolfwood and the girls show up to help.
Nothing outright makes it non-canon.
Quote from: Grave on August 30, 2013, 06:50:02 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on August 30, 2013, 03:07:21 PM
I just hear a blander Vash when I hear him in those roles.
I think this is what makes me not care for his other roles outside of Trigun, although, I will admit that I like JYB as Yang in Super Street Fighter 4. He makes Yang sound like a boss. When I first went into Bleach I was actually expecting to hear JYB being enthusiastic, or expecting a Vash moment to come out all of a sudden, but nothing.
Whoa, I had no clue JYB was Yang. :o He has a very distinctive voice.
One thing I have to comment on after watching the series with improved sound? This show has such an underrated soundtrack. I mean, man, is it good.
I know I have the First Donuts soundtrack somewhere around here. I definitely need to find it again.
Damn straight. :thumbup: I really wonder why no one makes note of how awesome the OST is often enough? It's just as gold as Bebop's, in my opinion.
I'll probably pick up "The Second Donut Happy Pack" cd while Rightstuf is still selling it for $5 bucks. Might not be as good as "The First Donuts," but still worth it at that price, and it'll probably become fairly pricey once they sell out of them, so I might as well bite soon and not miss a good opportunity like I did with the Area 88 complete tv series set.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 02, 2014, 06:51:56 PM
One thing I have to comment on after watching the series with improved sound? This show has such an underrated soundtrack. I mean, man, is it good.
I know I have the First Donuts soundtrack somewhere around here. I definitely need to find it again.
I listened to all of this last month: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB86EAB2D09BBE607 (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB86EAB2D09BBE607)
While looking around Netflix I noticed this seems to be leaving Canadian Netflix in October. No idea if it's the same for you guys or not, but I figured I'd give a heads up if you wanted to give it another watch before it potentially leaves.
I love the ending to Love & Peace.
Just finished Lost July early this morning. I love that Vash stayed in the same city as Hard Puncher (which I watcyed on Monday) The ending tugged some heartstrings and I relearned some things I forgot about the show.
Hmm, I didn't think BDN would be a two parter. Just watched the first part. Also, good to see the same town 3 episodes in a row.
Just finished 'And Between The Wasteland And The Sky' Hmm, didn't Vash write his name on a note? Why were the Bad Lads so surprised when they found out who he was? lol Anyway, interesting ending between Neon and Vash's duel. Any other show would just have Vash starch him. It tied well with how Vash's principles are hard to uphold.
Murder Machine....WOLFWOOD!!!!! Funny, I actually thought he was the guy who had to pee/Erik, before I saw his face. Anyway, what a nice buddy cop type of introduction episode. Wolfwood is instantly likable. And bits of Vash's past are showing. Dammit, I wish I was watching this blind. And who the hell doesn't notice their child missing after that? Worst mother ever.
Quick Draw - My goodness..Vash and Wolfwood are too likable when they're together. I didn't expect to see Wolfwood again so early. I remember this being the only episode I didn't see in its entirety..but I remember seeing it before. Maybe I just thought it was different due to the ending or maybe I did finally see all of it before. idk Also, I remember Wolfwood killing all these people. Jeez, I need my head checked lol
Escape From Pain - I forgot (you're going to hear me say that a lot) there's a Wolfwood starring episode. A good peek into the man's mind. I loved seeing Vash play the villain. He was so cool in this episode. I am confused about how what he did solved the conflict though.
Vash pretended to kill the kids so that their pursuers would not chase after them anymore. They couldn't get revenge on Vash because he's Vash the Stampede. So basically there was nothing they could do.
He basically took the blame for murder in exchange for helping those two get away. That's the play on the title: Vash helps them escape from pain and yet he can't escape it himself.
That makes sense. But what about the caravan? Wouldn't every die for starvation/thirst due to losing their business?
I haven't seen the episode in a while, but I think the point was that it was up to them to figure it out now. They had their opportunity to do the right thing to bring Julius back without causing problems and they threw it away by attacking him and even hiring Vash the Stampede (a "known" murderer) to bring him back. There was really nothing either of them could do to change things, and the people there didn't seem interested in changing. So now that the two of them are gone, the Caravan either has to learn to live honestly and fly right, or they die. There is no in-between.
It's a pretty harsh situation when you think about it, but Trigun is all about perseverance through impossibility. I'm willing to bet that they got their act together and fixed things.
I don't know what I'd do without you.
Diablo - So any emotions went through me after watching this episode. This is my 1st Trigun episode and possibly the sole reason why Trigun became the second anime t be my no. 1 favorite for years back then.
Finally the Big Bad is revealed. Sure Knives is his boss but Legato does all the real work and is the primary face of evil in the show. I was just going to say I've been enjoying the pre-Legato episodes.
I love Monev's costume/design. Somehow better than I remembered despite all of the nostalgia. Reminds me of 90s comic book costume.
Anyway, it finally happened. Vash has yet to see pretty much anyone die in the show's timeline and now he sees a massacre. How he dealt with it was understable and sad.
Venom backwards = Monev
Nightow was a big fan of '90s comics, just like Watsuki was.
I remember Watsuki even flat-out admitting that he directly ripped off Aoshi's jacket design from Gambit.
Shit, that's 3 facts I did not know. Monev is the only obvious 90s comic book influenced anything Ivcan think of in the show.
Vash The Stampede - Ugh, clip show. It was more entertaining than I thought it would be though, probably because the show's clips are even good. Also we finally see all of Vash's scars. Back then I thought they would look like Gene Starwind's scars but it's not even close to that. Yeesh. Anyway yeah, every time I complain about anime taking a break, I'll remember that breaks make clip shows not happen.
I actually really like the clip episode because it's deceptive in what it is. It offers Meryl's opinions on the events that have unfolded, while revealing critical information about Vash at the same time that comes into play later.
It's also a good reminder that the show is going to shift pretty hard, so savor those old episodes.
Little Arcadia & Demon's Eye - I forgot to mention that I watched Little Arcadia last week. Nice seeing the girls get an episode.
Demon's Eye was probably my favorite episode back in the day. Legato's opening scene in the bar was somehow better than I remember, again, despite nostalgia. The jazz playing helped. Also, Legato's voice actor is incredible. It was like the voice acting got even better the more he spoke.
I always loved the Dominique fight. Especially the moment where Vash figures out how to beat her. Lastly, most of the Gung-ho Guns got introduced so that was special and I love how Vash can go from goofy to serious and back at the drop of a hat. He's officially back to being my absolute favorite pacifist drifter.
Finally started watching Trigun again---
Fifth Moon - This reminds me of what I've been thinking...I wish I was watching this show blind. Moments like the end of the episode make me think that. I wouldn't know what the hell to make of what happened and I would have loved it. Also, yay Wolfwood's return!
Rem Saverem - I am a little misty eyed after watching this. It showed how Vash and Knives got shaped into who they are. Just from memories, there's at least 3 times this episode will be called back.
Goodbye For Now - A bit misty eyed from this episode. I hope Vash does see Lina and Sheryl again. Also, I love how well directed the part about Knives making the city people disappear. The flashback at the beginning was great too. Forgot Vash aimed Angel Arm at Knives.
Hang Fire - Kind of forgot about this episode, including the ending. Vash has finally reunited with the girls.
Flying Ship - The show is definitely getting more action packed. And I loved the flashbacks.
Those episodes are my favorite run of eps in the series. Just so good all the way around.
They were my favorite back then!
Out Of Time - The saddest episode yet. That part where Vash named his murdered friends....and I completely forgot Brad died. And right after he gave that speech. I also now know what the name of this episode means.
Alternative - Probably my favorite episode with all 4 protagonists now. I really either did pay attention to or didn't see how the aftermath of episodes effected Vash and the world around him. I aleo love how the scene at the end mirrored Rem trying to save someone.
Paradise - *sighs I can't watch this now. Maybe later.
I don't blame you.
This episode and the beginning of the next one with Vash on the park bench gets me every time.
Paradise - I was just sitting here in denial about Wolfwood's death until I saw Milly crying. This was honestly one of the very first fictional deaths that got to me.
I missed/forgot the part where Wolfwood said he killed Zazie to specifically protect Vash. I always that it was more of a typically protect the women and children thing. And lastly I love how much was expressed in this episode with just looks.
The Zazie thing you know just killed Wolfwood because of his affection for children regardless of who the Beast really was. Then Vash questions his decision (which might have been a good one, we don't really know) which makes it hurt twice as bad. I always thought that was the final straw that made him give up on his old ways and accept forgiveness again. It's certainly what he gave to Chapel.
Wolfwood is one of my favorite anime protagonists, and Paradise is one of my favorite episodes of any TV show.
I was honestly confused as to whether Zazie was a kid or a middle-aged humanoid so I didn't think of that. lol
I was kind of thinking about how Vash how the audacity to bring up that Wolfwood could have made a better decision since what he did was clearly eating him up. Wolfwood's character arc was yet another thing I didn't pay attention to back then but now I saw it all coming together before it hapoened, based off of what I remembered. I also think his death got to me more this time around.
One tidbit I love about the production of the english dub is that because of scheduling complications Jeff Nimoy was basically forced to record all of his lines for Wolfwood for the last couple episode in one big night-long stretch, so by the time he got to recording his lines in "Paradise" he was completely exhausted, and that sense of exhaustion really comes across in Wolfwood's voice throughout the episode, especially during his last moments, and adds a layer to his frustrations and the moral crises he struggles with throughout the episode and that sense of relief he feels when it's finally all over. Not only did that work out so well in terms of portraying the character, but it really gives that final scene in the church such an emotionally powerful and cathartic feel that just wouldn't have been the same if it had been performed by any other actor or under any other circumstance.
I love every iteration of the character, but just like how Steve Blum is the definitive Spike Spiegel for most, Jeff Nimoy is the definitive Wolfwood to me.
Jeff Nimoy is pitch perfect as Wolfwood just as JYB is basically Vash. It's hard to imagine anyone else in the roles.
Another thing about Paradise is while Wolfwood agonizes over the choice he made, Vash doesn't. It's not as if he was wrong, but it was just such a natural part of his character that he couldn't even conceive of killing Zazie being the right thing to do. Then, after Wolfwood dies, Vash does the exact same thing his friend did. What Wolfwood did to Zazie is exactly the same as what Vash did to Legato. For the same reasons, I might add. Then Vash had to survey himself and wonder about what really was the right thing to do, which ended up being that he was not so different from Wolfwood after all.
Wolfwood and Vash end up in the same place at the end of the series, even though they started from two very different places.
But, yeah, I could just gush about Trigun all day long.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 30, 2016, 09:06:46 PM
Jeff Nimoy is pitch perfect as Wolfwood just as JYB is basically Vash. It's hard to imagine anyone else in the roles.
Another thing about Paradise is while Wolfwood agonizes over the choice he made, Vash doesn't. It's not as if he was wrong, but it was just such a natural part of his character that he couldn't even conceive of killing Zazie being the right thing to do. Then, after Wolfwood dies, Vash does the exact same thing his friend did. What Wolfwood did to Zazie is exactly the same as what Vash did to Legato. For the same reasons, I might add. Then Vash had to survey himself and wonder about what really was the right thing to do, which ended up being that he was not so different from Wolfwood after all.
Wolfwood and Vash end up in the same place at the end of the series, even though they started from two very different places.
But, yeah, I could just gush about Trigun all day long.
I thought about that a tadbit, them being in the same situation, but not in that level of detail.
Sin - Oh man, the way Legato after he was shot. Brutal.
The scene on the bench was sad. Never really paid attention to how the girls ft about Wolfwood's death. I am no longer annoyed or whatever that they tagged along despite Vash telling them not tto.
Also, I forgot Chapel didn't get killed by Wolfwood. Now that really makes sense. Forgot he tried to get revenge too. Knives finally showed up and Caster shelled his ass. lol
Quote from: LumRanmaYasha on June 30, 2016, 08:38:30 PM
One tidbit I love about the production of the english dub is that because of scheduling complications Jeff Nimoy was basically forced to record all of his lines for Wolfwood for the last couple episode in one big night-long stretch, so by the time he got to recording his lines in "Paradise" he was completely exhausted, and that sense of exhaustion really comes across in Wolfwood's voice throughout the episode, especially during his last moments, and adds a layer to his frustrations and the moral crises he struggles with throughout the episode and that sense of relief he feels when it's finally all over. Not only did that work out so well in terms of portraying the character, but it really gives that final scene in the church such an emotionally powerful and cathartic feel that just wouldn't have been the same if it had been performed by any other actor or under any other circumstance.
I love every iteration of the character, but just like how Steve Blum is the definitive Spike Spiegel for most, Jeff Nimoy is the definitive Wolfwood to me.
Once again, I had no clue. That really does add to the scene.
"Why do they taste so good?" is the line that always gets me in that episode.
Me too.
Just ended my birthday with the 2nd to last episode and most of the last, with the final fight starting a minute before minute.
I honestly find the last episode to be sadder than Live Through. The girls taking care of Vash and Vash getting better made me feel better. I am also happy Vash figured out that Meryl is related to Rem. I've been wanting to mention Wolfwood's full of mercy line. So much good foreshadowing that was for him and Vash.
Seeing Vash's struggles and the times he was alone in the past was knd of depressing. That made his final triumph that much better. I completely forgot about the well water part.
Trigun might have broken into my top 5. Good to have you back there, buddy. Also, Vash skyrockets back into my favorite protagonists.
Wait, what was the last line in the sub? The last one in the dub was one of the most important in the series.
Quote from: gunswordfist on July 05, 2016, 12:31:27 PM
Wait, what was the last line in the sub? The last one in the dub was one of the most important in the series.
"Rem, I will continue to believe in you!
And from now on, I'll search for my own words."
The way the dub tweaked it almost made it sound like he moved beyond Rem. The point was that he can now move forward without the past and his sins holding him back. That's why he dropped his gun and coat.
A Trigun reboot is premiering on Crunchyroll next year! (https://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2022/06/16-1/crunchyroll-to-stream-newly-announced-trigun-stampede-anime-more-details-announced-at-anime-expo) :shakeshakeshake:
Whoa, nice! I rewatched Trigun around Thanksgiving last year. It still holds up, but I always wondered what a version that fully adapts the manga like FMA: Brotherhood would be like.
It's CG... but it's by the Beastars guys. Don't know how to feel.
Orange is good, but I'd feel more at ease if it were Sanzigen instead.
There's been speculation that this could be an original story again. Which, if true...eh.
Trigun Stampede trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoxJMRdzIXc)
Johnny Yong Bosch is returning as Vash! (https://www.polygon.com/23551626/johnny-yong-bosch-trigun-stampede-cast-announcement)