Thought I might as well reboot this thread topic.
I was just playing some Raskulls. It's a pretty cool racing/platformer hybrid with a bit of Mr. Driller /puzzle influence. Pretty cool game, though. Manages to be fun with a good challenge without being rage inducing.
Well now I have a top 10 best Mario list, and I want to post it!
1. Super Mario Bros. 3 AND Super Mario Galaxy 2
Having beaten Galaxy 2, I seriously don't know which of these two I prefer. One is the peak of the 2D games and one is the peak of the 3D games.
2. *See above.*
3. Super Mario World
This game is also great, and I love the overworld. The only problem is that, other then the overworld, it's SLIGHTLY inferior to Mario 3 in almost every way. Still a close comparison though.
4. Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
Arguably the best of the RPG titles. This took things from the original Paper Mario and developed them, though the original had better chapters.
5. Super Mario Galaxy
This is much lower then it's sequel cause the levels and power-ups are undoubtedly inferior. But I prefer the soundtrack and mood of this one.
6. New Super Mario Bros. Wii
One of the best 2D titles. This took everything from New Super Mario Bros. and made it better. Deeper levels, better power-ups, higher difficulty, and best of all, COOP!
7. Super Mario Bros.
The original that set the standards. How much do I need to say other then the fact that this game NEVER gets old?
8. Paper Mario
I may prefer the sequel, but this is still a great game. PLUS, as mentioned, it has better chapters. I also prefer the overall mood of it, and the soundtrack really sets the mood of the areas.
9. Mario Kart: Double Dash!!
Arguably the best Mario Kart game. Super Mario Kart and the handhelds are good, but it came down to this and Kart 64. And while that has better tracks, the coop in this game is so fun! As for Mario Kart Wii? That game belong on the lost of worst Mario games.
10. Super Mario 64
This game may now pale in comparison to the Galaxy games, but it's still a lot of fun. It's nostalgic bliss, and I adore the soundtrack. Also one of the most important games ever.
So that's the list... for now, anyway. :awesome:
Hmmmm....I'm kind of surprised that Super Mario RPG didn't make your list, since you always used to talk so highly of that game.
I actually like SMRPG the best of any Mario RPG even after Mario & Luigi and Paper Mario 2 came out. I still think SMRPG is the best one.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on January 03, 2011, 03:46:28 PM
Hmmmm....I'm kind of surprised that Super Mario RPG didn't make your list, since you always used to talk so highly of that game.
I did? I don't remember even talking about it on TV.com. Either way, for my opinions about
Mario RPG, I'll just re-post something I put on another site.
"This is completely my opinion. But I think
Super Mario RPG is over rated. As with the other games here (THE OTHER
MARIO RPG GAMES), it's still a very solid title. However people seem to worship it, and then refuse to acknowledge the other RPG games in the series. But it's no longer anything unique. It WAS when it was created, being that it was Mario in an RPG game. But since then we've got others. Looking at it now,
Mario RPG looks like a standard, easy RPG. The others, however, are unique in their own ways. The
Mario and Luigi series stars the two brothers and have them working off of each other in battle, and the
Paper Mario games have such a different battle system. But nothing really stands out as being different in
Mario RPG.
That doesn't mean it's bad cause it's still an 8/10 game. It's a little harder then the others, the soundtrack is AWESOME, and the final battle is quite intense. It also has great partners, especially Geno. It also started the
Mario role-playing tradition of having an optional boss that's even tougher then the final boss. But in the end, I think some of the other RPG games in the series are better, having built on it's foundation."
^RSW likes this post.
I personally find Superstar Saga to be the best of the Mario RPGs, but that's only because aside from trying so many new things, it also built upon the history of the Mario series and included tons of shout outs and fanservice to long time fans. Not to mention the zany humor here was just perfect, since the other games over do it a tad and honestly, Fawful isn't nearly as interesting without Cackletta to work off of.
Well, as objective as a favorite list is, the only one I would ever contest is if someone tried to tell me Mario & Luigi 2 was better than SMRPG or a Paper Mario game.
That shit almost put me to sleep.
I forgot what I psoted on the old board, so I'll start fresh again. Here's my NES Top 10 so far (release order):
1. Clu Clu Land- Considered as one of the greater above average games of the original 25 or so NES games back from 1985. Some people end up getting dizzy after playing this one, but I never minded. my highest round was Round 13, I think.
2. Urban Champion- Such a good fighting game that has recevied low reputation. I swear that my highest round in that game was either Round 43 or 45 (I forgot).
3. Super Mario Bros. 3- There's no denying it, it's the best legal Mario game for the system. I still know where all three Magic Whistles are, as well as subliminal message hidden in World 3-2 that Nensondubois told me about.
4. Mendel Palace- It's a pretty good arcade-action tile-flippin' game done by Pokemon creator Satoshi Tajiri. I've beaten this one 5 times if I'm correct.
5. Battletoads- Sure this action game's a challenge, not to mention the decent graphic job as well. I'm stuck on Level 3 myself (the space bike part to be exact). Beats the crap out of the Ninja Turtles games if you ask me (no offense).
6. Super Spy Hunter- One of the more harder to beat shoot 'em up games for the NES, and I thought Sunsoft did a pretty good job on this title. I've beaten this 8 or 10 times if I'm not mistaken.
7. Fire 'N Ice- Also known as Solomon's Key 2. I'm a big fan of logic puzzles, and this one's no exception. Another hard to find NES title I happen to own.
8. Kirby's Adventure- Very obvious that I love Kirby. This game is also in my Kirby Top 5 as well.
9. Bubble Bobble Part 2- Possibly my most expensive NES purchase as of late. If you liked the old Bubble Bobble, give the enhanced sequel a play.
10. Wario's Woods- I like this one better than the SNES version. I always tend to play Round Game Mode B in the NES version, due to boss battles.
I'll bring in list of my top 10 SNES games later on. :sly:
Someone on NeoGAF posted this about Konami, proving that I'm not the only person who feels this way about them:
QuoteWell, I'm of two minds here.
I don't see as though there was anything wrong with shutting down Team Silent. At best, SH3 and SH4 showed some signs of critical decline and waning sales relevance, especially in contrast to RE which experienced a wonderful reinvention in the form of RE4. I guess you could argue that they deserved a few more chances, but shuttering them also seems like a reasonable response. I don't really understand the animosity for this decision.
Now, did their replacements make sense? No, not really. I liked Homecoming more than most, but it's pretty clear that Silent Hill has been shopped around to multiple teams, multiple platforms, and multiple approaches. It's pretty clear Konami hasn't figured it out. It's pretty clear it's a franchise long past its peak.
Of course this is not a surprise. Konami is an awful, terrible publisher. They occasionally release some good games, some internally made, but as a publisher they're awful. They are perhaps most famous for coming up with solid ideas and utterly failing to develop them--both Bemani and Guitar Freaks were done trivially better by competitors. They are second most famous for taking Hideo Kojima, by all accounts a creative and talented designer even if you're not a fan of all of his games, and setting him on a ridiculous grind to milk one of the few products they have and can bank on. Their DS support was minimal and Wii support worse, alienating Nintendo fans. Their PSP support, although slightly better, was pretty bad. Even besides MGS, they rely too heavily on poorly annualized sequels. PES has slipped behind FIFA, and Bemani is dead and there's no clear direction for replacing it. I'll say nothing of Yu-Gi-Oh because it's clearly a licensed cash-in whose license is of no interest to me, but it's hardly a good sign when Yu-Gi-Oh is considered a highlight of your annual release schedule. Their gong show E3 press conference reflects the generally hapless attitude the company has had for a long time.
But by far the most simple and damning criticism of Konami is this: Whether developing or publishing, Konami's name says absolutely nothing about quality, style, or polish. It says nothing about budget, positioning, or advertising. It says nothing. There's nothing Konami publishes that couldn't be better handled by another publisher.
A long time ago, Konami (and through Ultra Games) was known for being an early supporter of the Famicom and the NES. They made quality action games that were known for being polished and tough. Gradius, Castlevania, Contra, Metal Gear. Konami's brand had cohesion and it had value. Since then, it has fallen. It means nothing. Unlike other early major publishers who have reinvented themselves, added new franchises, revived old franchises, and generally acted as good stewards of their legacy, Konami has withered away to nothing. Silent Hill is just the icing on the cake. It's Konami's last great invention--yes, we're talking about a publisher who hasn't come up with anything for the last ten years--and it is now a shadow of its former self.
What surprises me is that I feel like I'm the only one who has noticed this before the last year or two.
Seriously, what a lousy company.
Not good... (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=419138)
Let's hope this is fake.
Bargains:
Yakuza 3
Valkyria Chronicles
Nier (Got for free)
It was a good day!
Quote from: Desensitized on January 20, 2011, 06:03:00 PM
Yakuza 3
Fuck yeah.
Tell me how Nier is. I've been interested in it, but the bad reviews it got were really off-putting to me.
Neir seems to be one of those love it or hate it type games. I got it for free, though, so I can't really complain.
Contra tier list-
Top Tier:
Contra (NES)
Contra 4
Contra: Hard Corps
Hard Corps: Uprising
Upper/Mid Tier:
Contra 3: The Alien Wars
Operation C
Super C (NES)
Contra: Shattered Solider
Contra ReBirth
Mid/Low Tier:
Neo Contra
Contra (Arcade)
Super C (Arcade)
Bottom Tier:
Contra: Legacy Of War
C: The Contra Adventure
I deem this as fact.
I'd actually move both Shattered Soldier and Contra (Arcade) up one tier, but, yeah, that's a great list.
I'm not big on Boss-focused Contra games other than the original Hard Corps, but I do think it's a great game. Arcade Contra is just too stiff for my tastes. Still beats Super C's arcade version, though.
Just thought I'd post this sweet banner someone made for Hard Corps Uprising:
Spoiler
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi55.tinypic.com%2Fzmyxoo.jpg&hash=eec02c1a809ba958b5648b74037aa3e05220b0c1)
Sweet. Only game it's missing is 4 to represent the whole top tier.
I'm almost done my DS post for the VG board, I'm just wondering if I should wait until the 3DS comes out or something to post it. I'm not sure what would be the best time to give it the most attention, where people would be interested in talking about how awesome the DS is.
Quote from: Desensitized on February 16, 2011, 11:31:37 PM
Contra tier list-
Top Tier:
Contra (NES)
Contra 4
Contra: Hard Corps
Hard Corps: Uprising
Upper/Mid Tier:
Contra 3: The Alien Wars
Operation C
Super C (NES)
Contra: Shattered Solider
Contra ReBirth
Mid/Low Tier:
Neo Contra
Contra (Arcade)
Super C (Arcade)
Bottom Tier:
Contra: Legacy Of War
C: The Contra Adventure
I deem this as fact.
Whoa, Uprising past the test. Anyway, I believe I've only played CHC, C3, Contra (literally for just a few seconds on my phone to test it out) Super C (same as Contra) and Shattered Soldier (played a bit of it over a friend's house)
People tend to like Shattered Soldier a lot more than I do. I think it's a great game, but not enough levels and too many bosses. And the ranking system in the PS2 Contra games (IE, you have to master the game to unlock parts of it) is retarded.
It's a good game, but it doesn't top the NES classics, or the more recent games.
Basically for me, the top of the list are what I would consider the best action games ever, the upper would be fantastic games that almost match up, and low would be mediocre games. Bottom is just shit.
Let's try a Sonic tier list. For a twist, I'm not going to include the Genesis games, because they would be auto-top of the list, and I want to make this more interesting. So here are the best Sonic games outside of the Genesis:
Sonic Colors (Wii)
Sonic CD
Sonic The Hedgehog (Master System/Game Gear)
Sonic Advance
Sonic Rush Adventure
Sonic Rush
Sonic Triple Trouble
Sonic Chaos
Sonic Advance 3
Sonic Adventure
Sonic Adventure 2
Sonic The Hedgehog 2 (Master System/Game Gear)
Sonic Unleashed HD
Sonic Heroes (last modern game I played until Unleashed)
Sonic Advance 2
There are quite a lot of good to great non-Genesis Sonic games.
Both Sonic Adventure games and (probably) Colors would top the list among the 3D games. Then you'd skip mid tier and only have "crap" tier, which all of the others would fit in (well, maybe Unleashed could be considered mid-tier to some extent). Well, alright, I actually haven't played any of the GBA Sonic games, so for all I know maybe those are good, but really there isn't much to say about the post-genesis Sonic games except for the fact that the Adventure games at least got the 3D formula down fairly decently before Sega royally fucked it up instead of continuing to go in the right direction (at least until Colors came out).
How about doing a Mega Man tier list? That way I can see what other Mega Man games I need to play. :sly:
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on March 09, 2011, 07:08:06 PM
Both Sonic Adventure games and (probably) Colors would top the list among the 3D games. Then you'd skip mid tier and only have "crap" tier, which all of the others would fit in (well, maybe Unleashed could be considered mid-tier to some extent). Well, alright, I actually haven't played any of the GBA Sonic games, so for all I know maybe those are good, but really there isn't much to say about the post-genesis Sonic games except for the fact that the Adventure games at least got the 3D formula down fairly decently before Sega royally fucked it up instead of continuing to go in the right direction (at least until Colors came out).
Trust me, if I actually played all the shit Sega released between Unleashed and Heroes, my opinion on the series would probably be as low as the general public. Though Heroes is a glitchy mess, so I
really don't want to know how bad it gets.
The portable Sonic games have always been great, though. The only one I would call terrible would be Sonic Advance 2 because it's not very well designed, but the rest are all platformers that range from great to just good.
QuoteHow about doing a Mega Man tier list? That way I can see what other Mega Man games I need to play. :sly:
Oh man... Give me a while for that one. :whip:
There's a lot of stuff to shift through.
Mega Man Master List (Holy crap this is long)
Not including Battle Network games as they are a totally different genre (RPG) and are not action games like these are.
Top Tier
Mega Man X
Mega Man 3 (NES)
Mega Man 9
Mega Man Zero 3
Mega Man X2
Mega Man Zero 2
Upper Tier
Mega Man Legends 1 and 2 (I think of them as one long game)
Mega Man X3
Mega Man 2 (NES)
Mega Man X4
Mega Man Zero
Mega Man X8
Mid Tier
Mega Man (NES) / Powered Up (PSP)
Mega Man 7 (SNES)
Mega Man Zero 4
Mega Man 5 (NES)
Mega Man X5
Mega Man Battle Network Transmission
Mega Man ZX
Low Tier
Mega Man & Bass
Mega Man 8
Mega Man (Game Boy)
Mega Man 2 (Game Boy)
Mega Man 10
Mega Man 4 (NES)
Mega Man 6 (NES)
Bottom Tier
Mega Man X6
Mega Man ZX Advent
Mega Man X7
Avoid the bottom tier like the plague. Awful, AWFUL games. Low tier are decent games, but pale in comparison with the remainder of the list. Top tier are among what I consider the best games ever and the upper tier is not so far off.
I have yet to play the Game Gear Mega Man game, or the remaining 3 Gameboy games so I can't rank them.
Awesome! So I'll make sure to try and play the MM games from mid-tier and up. ;D
My Mega Man list: (as incomplete as it is)
Mega Man 2
Mega Man 3
Mega Man 5
Mega Man 4
Mega Man X (Haven't beaten yet. On a slow ass PC I was on the part after I get Zero's gun)
Mega Man Zero (Wasn't even close to beating it)
Mega Man 1 (Haven't beat Yellow Devil yet)
Mega Man 7
Mega Man X 2 (Sht, placeholder. I've barely played the game. I liked what little I played and honestly I love all the MMs above so this game isn't low because it sucks)
Mega Man 8/6 (I've only played one level of 8 and I think pieces of other. 6 is straight up ass though)
Oww boy, this list shows how great the Rock Man series is. The only game I hate is 6. 8 gets a question mark for now.
I replaye 1-6 (or 5..hell, that's likely) soon after I beat them for the first time just a year or two ago. While playing 3, 4 and 5, I had what Desen said about 3 and was basically playing just to do my own comparison. I actually fall in love with 4 and 5 more (and 2, I believe) and I say those games are just as good as 3. So 3 is not topping my list. Also, I think 5 doesn't get enough love. There's flat out nothing wrong with the game.
3 is my favorite in the classic series, but I could never tell you why. The slide is a great addition, but I've never been a fan of the charge shot in the classic series. IMO, it breaks the games because they never balanced it right. If you use the charge, the bosses are cakewalks (ESPECIALLY in 4) but if you don't they take ages to die.
5 is a polarizing game for most. Some love it and others think it's just as disappointing as 4 and 6. Personally, I think if it came out instead of 4, it wouldn't get nearly the amount of hate it does. Also, if you can find it, try the NES demake of 7 that fans made. It'll give you new appreciation for 7.
But yeah, it's a great series overall. There are few bad games in the series. (Though the bad ones are baaaaaaaaaaad)
Whooops, I just rememberethat I accidently put 4 ahead of 5 just because I decided to go into chronological order. I love Dark Man so much. Anyway, yeah great series. 6 is the only awful one I played.
I made a list recently, actually. Read it if you wish... Sadly I'm too lazy to repost the images. :P
Number One
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The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
Honestly, this is my favorite video game ever. It's one that I'd classify as perfect. Great story, great gameplay, great difficulty, great soundtrack... you get the idea. Thinking about it, I really can't think of any real flaws in the game. In my youth I preferred A Link to the Past and Ocarina of Time. But as I grew I began to appreciate this game more, understanding it's depth and it's world better. Nothing more need be said.
Number Two
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Super Mario Galaxy 2
Mario Galaxy 2 is a game that you doubt when you go into it. I doubted it, and so did many others. But I played it and was blown away. Great gameplay mechanics, real challenge, and Yoshi! Plus, there are so many power-ups in this game. Miyamoto was right when he said they could make a game using the ideas left out of the original! Possibly the best game in the series and, in my opinion, the pinnacle of all platforming!
Number Three
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Resident Evil
Here's a game that I've always adored. There are multiple versions. I think the game reached it's peak with the Director's Cut (Dual Shock Addition) version and the GameCube remake. I love the bad voice acting, the soundtrack(s), and the atmosphere of the original. But I love remake for it's new additions, including a more detailed backstory. I'll be keeping up with this series as long as it's name lives on, and I'll welcome any changes. But in the end, this is the game I can be sure I'll always come back to.
Number Four
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Sonic 3 & Knuckles
Hands down, my favorite 2D platformer. This is the combination of Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles. I count them together because Sonic 3 & Knuckles is the game it truly is, what it would have been if not for other issues. Playing through this game is just a blast, and I love just about every level. It also has an awesome final boss section. And might I mention that soundtrack? They really brought out the best in a system with weak sound quality. But I guess that's what Sonic was good at!
Number Five
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The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
My second favorite in the series. The Wind Waker is just amazing. The dungeons are bland and the combat is weak, but this game just excels in so many ways. Beautiful graphics, varied soundtrack, great story, characters with depth, exploration, and just a wonderful world overall. I love sailing in this game, wondering where to go next. There's so much out there to see! And I don't care what anyone says. The Triforce piece hunt is the best part of the game.
Number Six
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Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest
Mario might, by name, be the king of 2D platforming. But for me, Donkey Kong did it best. Donkey Kong Country 3 was good but not great, and Returns was an amazing comeback, but the decision came down to the first 2. I love the first Donkey Kong Country for it's more simple platforming and level variety. I also don't think you can beat a team of Donkey and Diddy! However, I just adore the second game for it's unique level design, it's soundtrack, it's high seas theme, and a bleak atmosphere. Plus, it was more challenging! Everything in this game just feels so... perfect.
Number Seven
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Star Fox 64
For some reason, this game doesn't get much attention on this site. Maybe it's cause the Star Fox series isn't as good as most other Nintendo franchises? Whatever the case, this game deserves praise and is what the series is best at. The game has good challenge, constantly giving you rushes of adrenaline. And let's not forget the voice acting! Come on, this game has some of the most memorable dialogue in all of gaming! One of Nintendo's masterpieces.
Number Eight
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Super Mario Galaxy
Both Mario Galaxies are mind blowing, so great and equally matched that I HAD have both of them on this list. Sure, the sequel might have been superior as far as gameplay and platforming go. But this one has it's own advantages! For one, I enjoy that this has more emphasis on story. More importantly though is the magical atmosphere that it creates through the visuals and soundtrack. The soundtrack is absolutely beautiful, one of the best I know in gaming. And while the graphics in Mario Galaxy 2 might be just as good, the colors are brighter which give it a more upbeat, traditional Mario feel. But this game features darker colors with lighting that suits the deep space mood. It's honestly the most beautiful game I've ever played, and feels like Mario takes place in the Disney universe!
Number Nine
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Dragon Seeds
This used to be higher, but I moved it down because, these days, I find that I enjoy the other games more. But anyway, it's an extremely obscure game. I never fully understood why I love it so much. The combat system is as basic as rock-paper-scissors. Perhaps I just love raising dragons. The game is so addicting. It also has one of the best soundtracks ever. The models for dragons themselves have aged poorly, but the environments themselves still look great. What genre would this fit into? Tactical? Doesn't matter! It's great!
Number Ten
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Pokemon Red and Blue
I'm a casual RPG player. I play them and like them, but I admit I'm less hardcore then many. Admittedly the combat systems in many RPGs, while good, wares on me with it's repetition. But Pokémon is a game I've always adored. It's story is basic, but the depth of it's combat system is staggering. I've almost always preferred it to the bigger in scope Gold and Silver. I just prefer the original Pokémon and areas. Exploiting glitches in this game is also fun!
Good list, although I prefer the Fire Read/Leaf Green remakes to the original versions of the game. Adding in the special attack and special defense stats went a long way towards balancing out the game for the better, and the whole EV and IV system made things more interesting since no 2 Pokemon in the game could have the exact same stats (even those of the same exact type). It also made it more rewarding to level up the Pokemon naturally, that way, rather than resorting to Rare Candies which had absolutely no consequences in the original games (although, then again, that only really comes into play if you want to battle against other opponents).
Speaking of Pokemon, I left off with Ruby when I was half-way into it, but I have to admit that it just doesn't feel as fun as the generation 1 and 2 games. Its not that I'm necessarily tired of the formula itself, but the execution of the game feels so half-assed in comparison to Red/Blue/Yellow and Gold/Silver/Crystal.
Anyways, my favorite Pokemon game is probably still Gold/Silver/Crystal (I count all versions of each generation as one complete game, on the whole), but Fire Red/Leaf Green comes in pretty close for me.
Most people tend to agree that the series goes down the toilet after generation 2 (also my favorite), though my friend assures me that Black/White are "amazing."
That depends on who you ask. The hardcore multiplayer crowd (yes, Pokemon actually has a pretty deep multiplayer component, believe it or not), loves generation 3 as it has some of the best Pokemon in the series, in terms of practicality and battle strategies, but the fanbase is pretty split when it comes to the DS games. Those who like playing Pokemon mostly for its single-player campaign, such as myself, have some who like Diamond/Pearl and some who think its pretty "meh" (I myself haven't even tried it yet, though), and its pretty much the same deal for Black/White. And the multiplayer crowd is split on the DS games as well, since it basically changed EVERYTHING about how stats and strategies work and which Pokemon are more useful than others, which is why there is a whole crowd of fans who prefer the GBA and pre-GBA Pokemon games and those who prefer the DS games.
Overall, though, I think another problem of mine may just be that I don't find a lot of the new Pokemon past generation 2 to be all that interesting, personally. A lot of their designs are pretty bland and most of them come off as just being boring versions of basic sort of Pokemon from generation 1 (like, each generation has its own version of Alakazam and Dragonite and various other popular Pokemon). For me it just feels pretty boring if I have no interest in what I'm trying to capture and train.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on May 19, 2011, 11:33:46 PMGood list, although I prefer the Fire Read/Leaf Green remakes to the original versions of the game. Adding in the special attack and special defense stats went a long way towards balancing out the game for the better, and the whole EV and IV system made things more interesting since no 2 Pokemon in the game could have the exact same stats (even those of the same exact type). It also made it more rewarding to level up the Pokemon naturally, that way, rather than resorting to Rare Candies which had absolutely no consequences in the original games (although, then again, that only really comes into play if you want to battle against other opponents).
Fair enough. I can certainly agree that Leaf Green and Fire Red are better. I just prefer Red and Blue cause... well, maybe nostalgia. :P
But wait, I thought Rare Candies were already worse then natural leveling up in the original, like stats only increased by half!
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on May 19, 2011, 11:53:49 PMOverall, though, I think another problem of mine may just be that I don't find a lot of the new Pokemon past generation 2 to be all that interesting, personally. A lot of their designs are pretty bland and most of them come off as just being boring versions of basic sort of Pokemon from generation 1 (like, each generation has its own version of Alakazam and Dragonite and various other popular Pokemon). For me it just feels pretty boring if I have no interest in what I'm trying to capture and train.
That's EXACTLY it for me. I don't like the new Pokemon.
I need to play Black and White. People also tell me that their great, but it would take a lot to top Gold and Silver or Red and Blue. ;)
And since you're a big fan of Gold and Silver, did you try their remakes? I need to get around to that as well.
The last Pokemon games I played were in gen 2, and I used the remakes to get me back into the series. They really are a vastly improved version of those games, if you want to get back into Pokemon, I recommend starting their. The balance of familiarity and new is enough to really click for those of us who haven't played the series in forever.
Quote from: Desensitized on May 20, 2011, 06:12:53 AM
The last Pokemon games I played were in gen 2, and I used the remakes to get me back into the series. They really are a vastly improved version of those games, if you want to get back into Pokemon, I recommend starting their. The balance of familiarity and new is enough to really click for those of us who haven't played the series in forever.
Same here! I might just do that. I did leave the series on a good note (great, in fact. Crystal's my favorite) so it shouldn't betoo hard to get back in with the remakes.
This is why only Suda51 and his team should be allowed to touch their games. (http://www.destructoid.com/no-more-heroes-ps3-viewer-mode-is-pretty-naughty-205399.phtml) Fucking Marvelous Entertainment... :wth:
They really need to stop milking that game.
I'll probably get it just to play No More Heroes again in HD. Though I don't have the Move so I'd be playing it with a standard controller.
Quote from: Eddy on July 06, 2011, 03:23:07 PM
I'll probably get it just to play No More Heroes again in HD. Though I don't have the Move so I'd be playing it with a standard controller.
I tried playing NMH 2 with the classic controller, and I'll just say that No More Heroes (one of my absolute favorite games) is a lot less fun without motion controls.
Oh yeah, I can only imagine. I've only played NMH and NMH2 with the motion controls (never tried the Classic) but it's one of the few Wii games where the motion controls really add to the overrall game. There's something about doing that finishing strike or wrestling move on an enemy that just feels so satisfying with motion controls.
My current top 25 favorite video games of all time (just because I feel like it):
*Its been too long since I last played a classic Sonic game, which is why I can't rank them as of the moment.
*Stranger's Wrath is yet another game that just missed the list because its been too long since I last replayed it.
*I was thinking of ranking BioShock, but while I still enjoy the game, it just doesn't hold up to replay value as well as other games on this list.
25. Star Wars: Jedi Academy
24. Super Mario Bros. 3
23. Donkey Kong Country
22. Ninja Gaiden II (NES)
21. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV: Turtles in Time
20. Ninja Gaiden II (XBOX360)
19. TimeSplitters 2
18. Halo: Combat Evolved
17. The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages/Seasons
16. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
15. Super Mario World
14. Star Fox 64
13. Soul Calibur II
12. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
11. Star Wars: Jedi Knight II- Jedi Outcast
10. Power Stone 2
9. Mega Man X
8. Pokemon Fire Red/Leaf Green
7. F.E.A.R.
6. Jet Set Radio Future
5. Max Payne
4. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest
3. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
2. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
And my most favorite game of ALL TIME, IS....
1. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
Yes, I have finally given into the greatness of the greatest game ever! I was so blind to never notice that a game that forces you to play it one way, and one way only is what makes for the greatest gaming experience of all-time. Who cares if its not that long and only lasts one-time anyways. Games only need to be played once. Who wants harder difficulties anyways? Why would someone want to play a game for challenge? All you need to do for that is make enemies have more health and deal more damage to you, and that is the perfect way to handle harder difficulties for those who desire a challenge. Also, as long as any game has a half-assed multiplaye mode attached to it, that automatically makes up for any replay value that its single-player is lacking, thus Uncharted 2 is the best game of all-NAH, I'M JUST KIDDING! LOL!
My favorite game is still what it has always been for anyone here who actually knows me. :thumbup:
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on July 14, 2011, 12:03:52 AM
My current top 25 favorite video games of all time (just because I feel like it):
*Its been too long since I last played a classic Sonic game, which is why I can't rank them as of the moment.
*Stranger's Wrath is yet another game that just missed the list because its been too long since I last replayed it.
*I was thinking of ranking BioShock, but while I still enjoy the game, it just doesn't hold up to replay value as well as other games on this list.
25. Star Wars: Jedi Academy
24. Super Mario Bros. 3
23. Donkey Kong Country
22. Ninja Gaiden II (NES)
21. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV: Turtles in Time
20. Ninja Gaiden II (XBOX360)
19. TimeSplitters 2
18. Halo: Combat Evolved
17. The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages/Seasons
16. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
15. Super Mario World
14. Star Fox 64
13. Soul Calibur II
12. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
11. Star Wars: Jedi Knight II- Jedi Outcast
10. Power Stone 2
9. Mega Man X
8. Pokemon Fire Red/Leaf Green
7. F.E.A.R.
6. Jet Set Radio Future
5. Max Payne
4. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest
3. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
2. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
And my most favorite game of ALL TIME, IS....
1. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
Yes, I have finally given into the greatness of the greatest game ever! I was so blind to never notice that a game that forces you to play it one way, and one way only is what makes for the greatest gaming experience of all-time. Who cares if its not that long and only lasts one-time anyways. Games only need to be played once. Who wants harder difficulties anyways? Why would someone want to play a game for challenge? All you need to do for that is make enemies have more health and deal more damage to you, and that is the perfect way to handle harder difficulties for those who desire a challenge. Also, as long as any game has a half-assed multiplaye mode attached to it, that automatically makes up for any replay value that its single-player is lacking, thus Uncharted 2 is the best game of all-NAH, I'M JUST KIDDING! LOL!
My favorite game is still what it has always been for anyone here who actually knows me. :thumbup:
Good list, but I'm just curious. What happened to SA and SA2? I thought you were always a big fan of 'em.
Just like with the classic Sonic games, its been ages since I last replayed those as well, save for the demo of the first level of SA1, so I can't properly judge those games until I see how well they hold up (the last time I played them was about 4 years ago).
Great list, E-K! I'll go ahead and do a current one for myself, I guess.
25. No More Heroes 2: Desperate Struggle
24. Painkiller
23. System Shock 2
22. Mass Effect 2
21. Metal Slug X
20. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
19. Duke Nukem 3D
18. Ninja Gaiden 2 (360)
17. Resident Evil 4
16. Fatal Frame 2
15. Thief 2: The Metal Age
14. Half-Life
13. Super Mario Bros. 3
12. Hitman: Blood Money
11. Max Payne
10. Super Metroid
9. Yakuza 4
8. Metal Slug 3
7. Devil May Cry 3
6. Ninja Gaiden (Xbox/PS3)
5. Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando
4. Bayonetta
3. Deus Ex
2. F.E.A.R.
1. God Hand
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on July 14, 2011, 12:03:52 AM
And my most favorite game of ALL TIME, IS....
1. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
I nearly shit myself, holy fuck. :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Foggle on July 14, 2011, 02:08:07 AM
Great list, E-K! I'll go ahead and do a current one for myself, I guess.
Thanks. I really did have a hard time deciding how to rank some of my entries, but at the same time it doesn't matter too much since its always changing. I also know that I left some out that I really wanted to include, but I really need the chance to replay them to really gauge how well they've aged. I especially want to replay Stranger's Wrath one of these days.
Here are my comments on your list:
25. No More Heroes 2: Desperate Struggle- I still need to get a Wii so I can play this game and the first one.
24. Painkiller- I'm not sure why I haven't tried this game yet, as it seems like the type of game that I would love. I think my PC should also be able to run it, but just in case it can't, do you know if the XBOX version is any good at all?
23. System Shock 2- Yet another classic that I need to play.
22. Mass Effect 2- The first game bored me after I played it once, but I'm hoping that this game really improves the actual gameplay mechanics, as this is yet another game that I still need to try.
21. Metal Slug X- I have played at least 1 Metal Slug game, and I'm not sure if it was this one or another one, but it was an awesome game nonetheless. If I haven't played this one, then I need to get around to that soon.
20. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker- This is easily my favorite GC game. :thumbup:
19. Duke Nukem 3D- Thanks for reminding me that I need to continue playing this game. I played a bunch of the PC version on a friend's PC after trying the Duke Nukem Forever demo and gaining some interest in the franchise. It was pretty fun, so I may just download the game off of XBLA when I get the chance.
18. Ninja Gaiden 2 (360)- Holy shit! I just realized that you have this game ranked even higher than I do. But its cool to see it on your list. Admittedly its not something that I'll ever acknowledge as a finished game (if it was truly finished, it'd be one of my top 3 favorite games of all time), however it really is a great game despite all of its flaws. I'm glad to see that I'm not the only person on a non NG-related board that appreciates it. ;)
17. Resident Evil 4- Another game I still need to play.
16. Fatal Frame 2- Same as above
15. Thief 2: The Metal Age- I've never even heard of this game, actually. What's it about?
14. Half-Life- Yet another game I have to play. I liked the 2nd game, but its boring segments kind of held it back for me. I hear this game is more consistently pace with the exception of the last few segments of the game. I'll give it a try one of these days.
13. Super Mario Bros. 3- Its not my favorite Mario game, but its a damn great game no matter how you look at it. One of the best 2D platformers of all time.
12. Hitman: Blood Money- I'll give this game a try someday. I still couldn't get into Contracts, but I do appreciate the concept of Hitman so maybe this one might change my mind about the gameplay formula.
11. Max Payne- Easily my favorite TPS game of ever.
10. Super Metroid- I need to play this game with a controller, someday. I tried playing it on an emulator but a keyboard does not fit its control-scheme very well.
9. Yakuza 4- I wish I could get into this series. I could at the very least play the first 2 games if my older brother were willing to let me borrow his PS2.
8. Metal Slug 3- See Metal Slug X.
7. Devil May Cry 3- Absolutely love what I played of this game. It pretty much perfected the DMC formula. It pisses me off that DMC4 was so lazy, though. It brought some noteworthy improvements over DMC3's gameplay, but for every step it took forward for the series it took at least 2 steps back. Nero only having one weapon was a disgrace, IMO, and really showed how lazy Capcom was being with the game's design. If they could give Dante 3 weapons when he had much less play-time in the story than Nero, they easily could have fitted in more weapons for Nero if they actually put some time and effort into fleshing him out some more. His core combat mechanics are fine, but his combat feels SO limited compared to Dante's.
6. Ninja Gaiden (Xbox/PS3)- Fuck you, Foggle! You damn well know that Uncharted should be in this spot you tasteless prick. :anger:
5. Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando- Awesome game, though my favorite is Up Your Arsenal. The multiplayer in that game was also surprisingly addicting. My friend and I used to play it all day long.
4. Bayonetta- Great game, and easily one of the best in the genre. I don't like it quite a much as NG, but it comes closer to it in quality than any other hack n' slash game that I have played. Kamiya basically re-perfects DMC's formula.
3. Deus Ex- Once again, need to play it.
2. F.E.A.R.- Amazing game, and easily the best designed FPS of all time. Its environments may get stale but it makes up for it with its superb gameplay value. I still have yet to see another FPS with AI close to as good as they are in this game (not counting RTS games, though, since I don't play those).
1. God Hand- I feel bad that I haven't played this game, yet. :'(
Stranger's Wrath is still amazing. I'd suggest avoiding the PC port, though... It's almost up to par after rigorous patching, but it's optimized like crap and only runs well on hardcore gaming rigs as far as I can tell. It's pretty much the only game that makes me wish I still had an original Xbox. Can't believe it's not backwards compatible. :immad:
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on July 14, 2011, 02:44:48 AM
24. Painkiller- I'm not sure why I haven't tried this game yet, as it seems like the type of game that I would love. I think my PC should also be able to run it, but just in case it can't, do you know if the XBOX version is any good at all?
The first time I ever played it was on the Xbox, actually! I bought a copy of OXM at the store around the time the port got released, and there was a demo for it on the included disc. I've only played the full version on PC, but from what I remember, the Xbox version is just as good.
Quote22. Mass Effect 2- The first game bored me after I played it once, but I'm hoping that this game really improves the actual gameplay mechanics, as this is yet another game that I still need to try.
The first game has not aged well. It's not bad, and never will be, but it has very little replay value, poor pacing, and awful side-quests. Mass Effect 2 is less RPG and more TPS, which really improved it IMO. They also hired a much better writer, which greatly improved the dialogue and conversations in general (I'm not a fan of QTEs, but I get way too excited every time I get a chance to do a Renegade interrupt). The game is fun all the way through and is immersive as hell, making it really easy to get lost in the world. Make sure to play Lair of the Shadow Broker if you ever get it, btw. The rest of the DLC is fun but skippable; Shadow Broker is by far one of the best missions.
Quote20. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker- This is easily my favorite GC game. :thumbup:
Same here; it's also my favorite Zelda game overall (closely followed by Ocarina, Majora, and Link to the Past). It'd be a lot higher on my list if it weren't for the damned Triforce hunt near the end.
Quote19. Duke Nukem 3D- Thanks for reminding me that I need to continue playing this game. I played a bunch of the PC version on a friend's PC after trying the Duke Nukem Forever demo and gaining some interest in the franchise. It was pretty fun, so I may just download the game off of XBLA when I get the chance.
I suggest skipping Lunar Apocalypse when you do play more. The level design is boring compared to the other episodes and it's needlessly difficult at times.
Quote15. Thief 2: The Metal Age- I've never even heard of this game, actually. What's it about?
It's a stealth game where you play as a total badass named Garrett and sneak around a bunch of really cool medieval-steampunk locations grabbin' loot. I know that's not a very good description, but it's an excellent game. Very open and fun level design like in Deus Ex and Hitman. The Dark Project and Deadly Shadows are also great games, though the former is damn near impossible to get working properly on modern computers and the latter is a bit too linear compared to the first two. Deadly Shadows was also released on Xbox and is backwards compatible (with a few non-game-breaking bugs), so you should check that one out!
Quote12. Hitman: Blood Money- I'll give this game a try someday. I still couldn't get into Contracts, but I do appreciate the concept of Hitman so maybe this one might change my mind about the gameplay formula.
Blood Money is more accessible and sensible than the others in the series, but it's not dumbed-down at all. It's far better than Contracts, for sure.
Quote5. Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando- Awesome game, though my favorite is Up Your Arsenal. The multiplayer in that game was also surprisingly addicting. My friend and I used to play it all day long.
Oh man, the Up Your Arsenal multiplayer. I remember playing that shit split-screen all the damn time back in 2004/2005. Deadlocked was a bit lackluster compared to GC and UYA, but the co-op campaign couldn't be beat.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on July 14, 2011, 01:24:24 AM
Just like with the classic Sonic games, its been ages since I last replayed those as well, save for the demo of the first level of SA1, so I can't properly judge those games until I see how well they hold up (the last time I played them was about 4 years ago).
I remember when you said the 3D Sonics are better than the 2D ones.
Nice at having Max Payne in top 5. Only game on your list that's also on my top 10
Lovely list Foggle. I am surprised Mass Effect 2 made it. It probably wouldn't make my top 30 list. If you haven't noticed, I trolled the fuck out of you in regards to our little conversation about the game. :humhumhum:
I'll make my list but it'll have no Mario games. I don't think I've ever beaten one and I had a falling out with my old favorite, 3. The way too many way too short levels just rubbed me the wrong way. That was a few years ago though.
Only 2 games this gen are guaranteed to make the list. One is my favorite game, the other is a game in my video game series. Both are top 5 if not top 3...yeah, top 3. Mass Effect 2 has a bit of a chance of making it and I am still on my long first playthrough of Bayonetta.
Quote from: Foggle on July 14, 2011, 03:17:53 AM
Same here; it's also my favorite Zelda game overall (closely followed by Ocarina, Majora, and Link to the Past). It'd be a lot higher on my list if it weren't for the damned Triforce hunt near the end.
I must be one of the only people who ADORES that section...
I didn't adore it, but I certainly didn't have a problem with it either like most people do. People complain that its tedious but it really isn't. As long as you decipher the clues well enough you won't have to go searching the seas for hours hunting them down like some people claim. The whole thing took me about 2 hours to complete on my first time through the game, and that was without me relying on a strategy guide or anything of the sort, and I was also taking my time trying to find the pieces myself. I also must say that I loved the part where you had to wait until a certain type of moon-phase in the night to be able to get the one on the ghost ship. That was a really awesome adventure element that I just love about this game.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on July 14, 2011, 11:15:38 AM
I also must say that I loved the part where you had to wait until a certain type of moon-phase in the night to be able to get the one on the ghost ship. That was a really awesome adventure element that I just love about this game.
That part was really cool, yeah. But you don't want to know how long it took me to do the Triforce hunt without a guide on my first run...
I suppose I'm a bit quicker with puzzles in Zelda or something, then. I'm not trying to brag or anything, but a lot of my friends pointed out to me on my first time playing OoT (my friends from back when I was a kid originally got me into the series) that I was really good about solving puzzles that took them forever to figure out without a strategy guide. I'm not sure why, but something about Zelda's gameplay formula just clicks with me and makes sense to me very well, and I kind of feel very in-tune with each game's design for the most part, so I don't usually have much trouble figuring out how to do some of the tougher puzzles.
That said, there are of course at least a few notorious puzzle sections in each Zelda game that even I have a hard time with. In fact I'd be downright disappointed if there weren't a single puzzle that had me stumped in a Zelda game.
The reason I love it is because you have absolute free roam of the sea during the Triforce hunt. So when I'm searching for them, I don't just find the Triforce shards. I find EVERYTHING. :P
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on July 14, 2011, 11:15:38 AMI also must say that I loved the part where you had to wait until a certain type of moon-phase in the night to be able to get the one on the ghost ship. That was a really awesome adventure element that I just love about this game.
The Ghost Ship is awesome, period. I especially love sailing at night and seeing it in the distance unexpectedly.
25. Sweet Home
24. Phantasy Star IV
23. Legend Of Zelda Link's Awakening
22. Burnout Revenge
21. SSX Tricky
20. MGS3
19. The Warriors
18. Timesplitters 2
17. Sonic The Hedgehog
16. Astro Boy Omega Factor
15. Super Smash Bros. Melee
14. Einhander
13. Max Payne 2
12. Metal Slug 2
11. Metal Slug 3
10. Mega Man 4
9. Mega Man 3
8. Mega Man 2
7. Contra Hard Corps
6. Max Payne
5. Sonic The Hedgehog 2
4. DMC3
3. DMC4
2. Devil May Cry
1. MGS4
Sorry about the shameless amount of sequels. The only two Nintendo games I beat are probably literally the only two I listed, I am behind on beat em ups and there's tons of other games I haven't beaten or even played yet, including many from this gen and countless others I haven't played in years. Also, Metal Slug got omitted because I kind of forgot what it was like. Curse it's sequels for retaining its graphics.
PS GET SWEET HOME! IT'S THE GREATEST NES RPG!
Jesus fucking Christ (http://neogaf.net/forum/showthread.php?t=437425)
Sigh.
I'll try constructing a complete list of my own later if you want... But this really let me down. Again.
24,000 copies across BOTH consoles!? Are you fucking kidding me!?!?! Even No More Heroes 2 sold more than that!
This is unbelievable. The game gets critical fucking acclaim, was obviously made with love, and it does worse than goddamn ShellShock 2: Blood Trails? Disgraceful. Fuck this gen up the ass, and fuck EA, too. Today's gamers and publishers don't deserve developers like Suda and Mikami.
15. Sonic the Hedgehog
14. Grand Theft Auto II
13. Crash Bandicoot
12. GoldenEye 007
11. MVP Baseball 2005
10. Super Mario Bros. 2
9. NBA Jam: Tournament Edition
8. Half-Life
7. Donkey Kong Country
6. Super Smash Bros. Melee
5. Mario Kart DS
4. Super Mario Bros. 3
3. NFL 2K5
2. Doom
1. Super Mario World
Damn, I have weird-ass taste. Mostly platformers, with a couple FPSes, one top-down shmup, and a couple sports games... but you really can't top NBA Jam TE, MVP '05, and NFL 2K5 in that genre. Boomshakalaka!
Grand Theft Auto II? Huh, that's an interesting one, you don't see many people who have actually played the game much, never mind would be willing to list it as a favorite.
Lowest numbers I have ever seen. My God
I just tried to play the PC version of Resident Evil 4 and... wow. It's such a bad port that it actually makes un-patched/un-modded Saints Row 2 look amazing. It's a nightmare just to get running, and if you can somehow manage that, you will be treated to VHS-quality cutscenes, N64-level graphics rife with broken particle effects, impossible quick time events (it doesn't actually tell you which keys to press, it just shows some numbers), and no mouse support whatsoever. Apparently you can fix all of these problems with 6 GB of mods (twice the size of the actual game files), but I had no such luck since the game kept crashing after I installed the high-res texture pack.
How the hell did this get released? Why do a PC version at all if the developers are clearly incapable of making one that works? Why did UbiSoft publish a Capcom game? All of these questions shall be forever lost to the sands of time.
As far as I can tell the only reason I would have to play RE4 on the PC was a mod I saw where Leon was replaced with the Merchant.
But those Shadows of the Damned numbers are just sad. 24,000 copies? Are you fucking serious? Words can't even express how disappointing this is. Poor Suda. Poor Mikami. Poor Yamaoka. I don't even know what to say.
RIP Mega Man. (http://protodudesrockmancorner.blogspot.com/2011/07/mega-man-legends-3-cancelled.html)
Ah well. Looked promising, too.
More good news for you guys (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=438222)
So, even a stand-out FPS game (the most popular genre of gaming in America) doesn't sell well if its not a clone of Call of Duty, Halo, BioShock, or whatever other shooters are really popular? Why? Is it because gamers think that a game is too immature for them or something if it doesn't take its narrative seriously and deliberately shuns being realistic in favor of being over-the-top (since, you know, it is a fucking video GAME, not a freaking world war documentary)?
Seriously, I don't get gamers, these days. I don't have any ill will towards the popular franchises out there, since obviously they sell a lot because they appeal to a lot of people. What I don't get is how come so many gamers have such limited and narrow viewpoints as to what other types of games are worth their money. I mean, what does it take for a game to be popular in this day and age if its not already part of a well-established franchise?
On that note, I feel really, really sorry for Itagaki and the rest of his team at Valhalla Game Studios. I hope I'm wrong, but I have a bad feeling that even a couple of years down the road when they release Devil's Third, regardless of how good it is it'll still sell like shit because its not Call of Duty or Gears of War.
After all, look at Vanquish. That game was brilliant, but its sales figures were hardly anything to be too satisfied with for the amount of quality that the game had on offer.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on July 22, 2011, 05:46:07 PMI mean, what does it take for a game to be popular in this day and age if its nor already part of a well-established franchise?
You need 1 of 2 qualifications:
1. Be
Call of Duty2. Be
MaddenNow we just need a game that combines them...
I have no clue how Bulletstorm didn't sell
I thought BulletStorm broke a million? Oh well, at least Epic doesn't seem too upset about this news; glad they're still excited to be working with People Can Fly (one of the best FPS developers still active, IMO).
Time to rank the Persona Team games!
Persona 2: Innocent Sin (the only JRPG that has ever gotten me immersed in its world and completely held my attention for an entire run)
Catherine (best story I've ever seen in a video game, addictive gameplay, excellent dialogue and voice acting)
Persona 2: Eternal Punishment (not as good as part 1, but it comes pretty damn close)
Persona 3: The Journey (some BIG flaws, but overall a wonderful game)
Persona 4 (good stuff, but didn't suck me in nearly as much as the series' previous entries)
Persona (absolutely hated Revelations: Persona, still haven't gotten around to playing the remake)
Persona 3: The Answer (as much as I love ceaseless grinding and seeing all the characters act like total assholes... oh wait, I don't; this is complete shit)
P3P basically takes Persona 4's better battle system and grafts it to Persona 3's better everything else. It's honestly the best version of the game.
I'm still disappointed of all the Persona games, 4 is getting an anime. Why does it need an anime? It has the most boring and predictable story and characters of all 4 games.
Quote from: Desensitized on July 28, 2011, 11:27:50 PM
P3P basically takes Persona 4's better battle system and grafts it to Persona 3's better everything else. It's honestly the best version of the game.
I really need to pick that up someday, but P1PSP and P2ISPSP come first. Did you ever play the PSP remake of the first game, and if so, how is it?
And never for a second think you're missing anything by not owning FES. The Answer basically embodies everything bad about JRPGs.
QuoteI'm still disappointed of all the Persona games, 4 is getting an anime. Why does it need an anime? It has the most boring and predictable story and characters of all 4 games.
Yeah, I could never quite figure out why they chose that one for an anime adaptation either.
I'd totally watch a movie of Catherine, though (be it animated or live action).
Persona 1 PSP is still overly archaic and hard, but I do think it's better than the original version. The story is still pretty good, too. I'd recommend it for the cheap price it goes for now, especially since it has that free soundtrack with it.
I'm trying my best to like Persona 4 in all honesty ever since you guys told me that this game was like Pokémon and that I would enjoy this. I will admit that the battle system is neat and all, I do like your battle monsters and everything, but the story is a little on the slow side for me. Well, at least the gameplay is bringing me back to play it, unlike other RPGS that will go nameless.
That's my only gripe with 4, really. The battle system, dungeon, music, and general gameplay is awesome.
It works better as a portable game, though. Mixing matching and combining Personas is a lot of fun, but when you put in a better story and characters like Persona 3 did, it makes playing through it addicting. I had over 100 hours on my Persona 3 Portable file, easy. All characters leveled to 99. Loved every minute.
You know what was funny? When I was playing Persona 4 for the first time, I remember I was making cracks at how long it felt like I was taking with getting to the main game play. I swear to god, whatever complaints people had about Kingdom Hearts 2 opening scene with Roxas being a time consumer were pretty much how I felt when playing Persona 4 opening part. At least Kingdom Hearts 2 had the decency to make Roxas fight things after a few cutscene, therefore giving gamers a taste of the game play in it. While Persona 4, I remember the first time I got to see action was some dream sequence or whatever.
The only Kingdom Hearts game I ever played was the second one, and I fucking hated it, but people definitely whine way too hard about the opening being "too long." Persona 4's was terrible, though. While P3's intro was also lengthy, it was a lot more interesting and at least involved some semblance of gameplay. P4's opening is an entire hour of boredom.
Kingdom Hearts 1 is an actual game... I don't know what the hell was going on in 2.
KH2 is the reason I don't understand why people want a third one.
The only reason I played II before I is because I liked the way the combat system looked. (Despite the "press X to win" complaint)
I like Earth Defense Force 2017 and Insect Armageddon a lot, but I think if they learned from each other we could get one ultimate game from the concept.
I don't think I've ever played a game with the sense of scale and power of weapons like 2017, the humor is cheesy and delightful, and the game is CHAOTIC with stuff flying all over the place. The levels are also short and that there's 53 of them can get quite the meaty experience. There's also a ton of guns and health power-ups to increase your health. The game is simple arcadey fun, especially with co-op. Unfortunately there is no online co-op which the sequel fixes. It's a great game that is held back by technical quirks.
On the other hand, Insect Armageddon plays better. It's easier to dodge attacks, and the mission design keeps enemy variety much more fresh. The presentation and extra modes also add a lot to the package. Also, despite the longer missions, the game is much easier to play and get addicted to with the different suits and combination of gun drops and purchasable weapons. On the other hand, the game only has 15 levels even if those levels are twice to three times as long as most 2017 missions, it could use more. I also miss being able to pick up health pickups to increase health.
I probably prefer Insect Armageddon as a whole, but I think if the next game takes the best of both worlds we will have the best shooter of the gen.
I really liked what I played of 2017, but I don't know if I'd say it was anywhere near the level of Vanquish (or F.E.A.R., if you consider that a current-gen shooter). Gotta' pick up Insect Armageddon soon.
It's a great game for mindless shooting, but it isn't really anything deep. Insect Armageddon adds a lot to the formula, though. I think the series is just steps away from nailing its full potential with the concept.
Let me try something a little odd for a list... Double Dragon! I haven't played every port of the games (there were a shit ton), so this will be a small list, but I will list what I've played.
Double Dragon Advance
Double Dragon II (NES)
Return Of Double Dragon
Double Dragon (Arcade)
Double Dragon (NES)
Battletoads & Double Dragon (I flip flop on the best version a lot, so I'll just throw this here)
Double Dragon (Game Boy)
Double Dragon III (NES)
Double Dragon II (Arcade)
...
Double Dragon V (as in 'vee'... this is not Double Dragon 5)
Every single other version of Double Dragon III is rancid and without any sort of positive to it
On another note, I wish someone would port the fucking PC Engine/TG16 DD2 to the VC. It's the version of this game I most want to play.
I also want to try the Neo Geo Rise Of The Dragons which pretty much is a Double Dragon game and should be re-released as such. Judging from that shitty looking upcoming XBLA DD2, the IP must be insanely cheap right now since no one is using it right.
I'm still disappointed at how little this series has been properly used. Million has been cranking out all kinds of Kunio sports games since they came back and are even planning on a River City Ransom 2... But Double Dragon? They're farming out a remake of DD2 (the inferior version, I might add) to a D-tier German studio who seems to be making a crappy Dynamite Deka rip off instead of a proper Double Dragon game. One of my greatest gaming disappointments was that we never got a Double Dragon Advance 2 based on the NES version, and instead the series was left to rot... Still, as far as beat em up series go, this is still one of the most interesting.
Good news, everyone! (http://neogaf.net/forum/showthread.php?t=439431)
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi407.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fpp160%2FDaxdiv%2FReaction%2520shots%2Fjoeyface.jpg&hash=b23a0328940d4420e672d3a07555b190a0dfb5e9)
THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! BOOYAKA! BOOYAKA!
Saw that earlier. Very happy to hear about its success!
Quote from: Desensitized on August 02, 2011, 10:51:07 PM
Good news, everyone! (http://neogaf.net/forum/showthread.php?t=439431)
:SHOCK: Not possible. The game has retail failure all over it. Maybe there is hope among gamers afterall.
In the mood to rank my favorite Mario titles:
Main Platformers
1. Super Mario Galaxy
2. Super Mario Galaxy 2
3. Super Mario Bros. 3
4. Super Mario World
5. New Super Mario Bros. Wii
6. Super Mario 64
7. Super Mario Bros.
8. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
9. Super Mario Land
10. New Super Mario Bros.
11. Super Mario Sunshine
12. Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels
13. Super Mario Bros. 2
14. Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins
RPGs
1. Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
2. Super Paper Mario
3. Paper Mario
4. Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time
5. Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
6. Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga
7. Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
Party Games
1. Mario Party 2 & 4
2. Mario Party 3
3. Mario Party 5
*Rest are fun but not memorable.*
Kart Games
1. Mario Kart: Double Dash!!
2. Mario Kart 64
3. Super Mario Kart
4. Mario Kart Wii
*Didn't play the handhelds enough.*
Sport Games
*How many are there? Don't feel like listing them.*
Not a bad idea. K, I'll bite:
Platformers:
1. Super Mario Bros. 3
2. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
3. Super Mario 64
4. Super Mario World
5. Super Mario Galaxy
6. New Super Mario Bros. Wii
7. Super Mario Bros. 2
8. Super Mario Bros.
9. Super Mario Land
10. New Super Mario Bros.
11. Super Mario Bros: The Lost Levels
12. Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins
13. Super Mario Galaxy 2 (beyond a 5-minute Best Buy demo, haven't played it yet, hence it's low ranking)
14. Super Mario Sunshine (yeah; you knew that was coming)
RPGs:
1. Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
2. Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
3. Mario and Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
4. Paper Mario
5. Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga
6. Super Paper Mario
7. Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time
Party:
1. Mario Party 2
2. Mario Party 1
3. /the rest
Kart:
1. Mario Kart: Double Dash!!
2. Super Mario Kart
3. Mario Kart Wii
4. Mario Kart DS
5. Mario Kart 64
6. Mario Kart: Super Circuit
Sports:
1. Mario Golf (N64)
2. Mario Superstar Baseball
3. Mario Power Tennis
4. Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour
5. Mario Tennis (N64)
Anything not mentioned I've either never played, or haven't played long enough to form an opinion of (I only included Galaxy 2 above because it is a major title; the rest really aren't, so there's not much of a point). Or, I might have simply missed a couple; it is late, and I am kinda half-tired right now anyway. =D
Sure, why not?
Platformers: (this is the hardest one)
1. Super Mario World
2. Super Mario Bros. 3
3. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
4. Super Mario Galaxy 2
5. Super Mario Galaxy
6. Super Mario 64
7. Super Mario Bros.
8. Super Mario Land
9. Super Mario Bros. 2
10. Super Mario Sunshine
11. Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels
12. New Super Mario Bros. Wii
13. New Super Mario Bros.
14. Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins (to be honest, I haven't played much of this one)
RPGs:
1. Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
2. Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
3. Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
4. Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga
5. Paper Mario
6. Super Paper Mario
7. Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time (haven't played, heard I'm not missing out on much)
Mario Party:
1. Mario Party
2. Mario Party 2
3. the rest
Kart:
1. Mario Kart: Double-Dash!!
2. Mario Kart DS
3. Mario Kart 64
4. Super Mario Kart
5. Mario Kart Wii
6. Mario Kart: Super Circuit (hardly remember it)
Sports:
1. Mario Tennis (N64)
2. Mario Power Tennis
3. Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour
4. Mario Tennis (GBC)
5. N/A (I haven't played much of the other ones)
I'm not much for sports games, but I love Mario Tennis to death. I'd definitely rank that at the top.
I'm loving the Double Dash love.
As an aside I played some over at my friend's place today, and it's still the most awesome game. Especially when trying 2 player co-op in the same kart. (I just wish I could have tried that 16 player mode at least once) And almost every course is top notch.
Though if you guys never played duel mode in Mario Party 3, you missed out. IMO, that's what makes it the best Mario Party.
Quote from: Desensitized on September 03, 2011, 09:42:57 PM
Though if you guys never played duel mode in Mario Party 3, you missed out. IMO, that's what makes it the best Mario Party.
Seconded.
I also echo the love for Double Dash!! I don't feel comfortable making rankings of all of these, tbh. I still feel way behind on a lot of these games. Like, I never even played Thousand-Year Door.
Oh, I'll give it a go.
Platformers:
1. Super Mario Bros. 3
2. New Super Mario Bros. Wii
3. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
4. Super Mario Galaxy 2
5. Super Mario World
6. Super Mario Bros. 2
7. Super Mario Bros.
8. Super Mario Galaxy
9. Super Mario Land
10. Super Mario 64
11. Super Paper Mario
12. Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels
13. Super Mario Sunshine
14. New Super Mario Bros.
15. Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins
RPGs:
1. Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
2. Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
3. Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
4. Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga
5. Paper Mario
7. Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time
(Super Paper Mario is not an RPG, IMO)
Mario Party:
1. Mario Party 3
2. Mario Party 2
3. Mario Party 1
4. Mario Party 8
5. Mario Party 4
6. the rest (never played the others, 4 kinda blew to me)
Kart:
1. Mario Kart: Double-Dash!!
2. Mario Kart DS
3. Mario Kart Wii
4. Super Mario Kart
5. Mario Kart: Super Circuit
6. Mario Kart 64
7. Mario Kart Arcade GP (they're both pretty lame)
All I remember in SPM is the funny story and jumping on things. Gameplay was not that game's strongest aspect.
Nah, I agree. 'Twas just doing that for TM's benefit, since he loves it.
I'll give SPM credit; it was definitely the funniest, and most well-written title in the Paper Mario franchise. I was laughing pretty much the whole way through, and there aren't too many video games that have ever made me laugh. Take away the mediocre gameplay, leave the jokes, and it's not half-bad.
I mean, it's a fun and unique game but it's not really very RPG-ish outside of the story. It's still more fun than Super Mario Land 2, Sunshine, and NSMB DS, though.
Really? I found Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door to be much funnier than Super Paper Mario. SPM was still funny but I don't remember getting nearly as many laughs from it. Aside from the Francis chapter with the dating sim, which was probably the best part of the game. That whole chapter was pretty great.
But overall I felt Super Paper Mario was a let-down all around.
SPM has an amazing story with a great cast. I think that more then makes up for the gameplay being a little weaker then the others.
Only thing I really disagree with most of you guys with is the SMRPG love and the PiT hate. :P
I dunno, I can still go back to SMRPG and get a kick out of it, but PiT... Well, you already know how I feel about that one. SMRPG is always going to be great to me, but I find BIS was the first Mario RPG to finally top it.
Also, to elaborate on Mario Kart- Double Dash has the best racing and tracks, and DS has the best battle mode and arenas. The Wii version is probably the most "solid" version on a balance as it doesn't really do anything wrong (except too much item spam), but I'm hoping the 3DS version can someone how match the first two as well as having the balance of the Wii version (without the spam, of course) to be the best version.
Quote from: Desensitized on September 06, 2011, 01:58:20 PM
I dunno, I can still go back to SMRPG and get a kick out of it, but PiT... Well, you already know how I feel about that one. SMRPG is always going to be great to me, but I find BIS was the first Mario RPG to finally top it.
I can respect that. Personally, I liked SMRPG a lot when I was young; it was the first
Mario RPG I played after all. But after playing it again, I personally think it's dated. For example, I hate the perspective. I'd be trying to hop onto blocks in the air, but would keep missing. Also, I just think the PMs crushed it in story, and the M&Ls crushed it in gameplay. Don't get me wrong, I still think it's a good game. But I don't see myself going back for a 3rd playthrough.
As for PiT, I preferred it to BIS because I REALLY enjoyed the battle system with the brothers and babies. In BIS, I thought the fights got too long. You'd start a battle, the enemy would surround himself with small enemies, you'd take a turn to inhale it, then a whole new battle would start. They'd attack Mario and Luigi, and then they'd have to beat them. Afterward Bowser's battle would continue. It just became too much when this became so frequent late in the game. Plus, I hated BIS's mini-games.
Quote from: Desensitized on September 06, 2011, 01:58:20 PMAlso, to elaborate on Mario Kart- Double Dash has the best racing and tracks, and DS has the best battle mode and arenas. The Wii version is probably the most "solid" version on a balance as it doesn't really do anything wrong (except too much item spam), but I'm hoping the 3DS version can someone how match the first two as well as having the balance of the Wii version (without the spam, of course) to be the best version.
I haven't played much of the handhelds. But I do think the Wii version is the worst. The item spam just breaks the game for me. I like
Double Dash!! most because of the 2 riders per kart idea. Just allowed for so much fun. But I preferred
64's courses. :)
Part of SMRPG's appeal to me is the obvious nostalgia trip. I'll agree that it's dated, especially on the graphics end; 3D gameplay (top down iso-view or not) on the SNES is really nothing to write home about.
I still enjoy it, though. The battle system is a lot of fun, IMO, and the writing still holds up. I played through bits and pieces of it not that long ago, and I still like it quite a bit. I should really get around to doing a full play-through again; it's been a while since I've beaten it, among other things.
I know I'm alone here, but... why is Sonic 2 regularly heralded as the best game in the Sonic franchise?
On a level design basis, it has a lot issues. Emerald Hill, Chemical Plant, Casino Night, and Hill Top (music aside), are awesome, but does anyone really think Aquatic Ruin is all that great? The water sections are boring and empty, the music is lame, and the level is full of badly placed enemies. Mystic Cave is fine, but it doesn't really stick out to me much at all, and the music is pretty standard fare, not really feeling very "Sonic".
Oil Ocean and Metropolis Zone are probably two of the worst zones in any of the classic games, the first has a bad art style that interferes with visibility (snooze-worthy music, too) and enemies that are hard to see and the latter is basically Sonic Team giving you the finger through 3 painfully annoying acts (but the music is awesome! "surf city, here we come!"). Then we get to Sky Chase which, music aside, is filler. Wing Fortress is dull, and by far the worst "final base" area of any of the classic games due to not really doing much of anything in the level. The less said about Death Egg and "hit 'em 4 times before the fight starts" Silver Sonic, and "wait, wait, wait, one hit, wait, wait -oops collision detection failure you're dead start over" Robotnik the better. IMO, after Mystic Cave, I usually lose all desire to continue playing.
The special stages... ugh, I've always hated these. It's still the only classic game where I don't bother with the special stages because they're just so boring and tedious to get to and half the time they're based on memorization because those stupid bombs are so freaking hard to see until its too late.
Well, despite all that, I think Sonic 2 is actually a pretty cool little game. But I really don't think it's as tight as 1 (which only has one bad zone), CD (again, only one annoying zone), or 3&K (Again, one zone if you count Carnival Night Act 2 and Sandopolis Act 2 as one zone)... And the weird part is that I know there are people agree with me, but Sonic 2 still gets most of the praise while 1 and CD are overlooked and 3&K is brushed aside.
I'm wondering if this is a Ninja Gaiden 1 NES, or TMNT II NES situation where people just don't seem to give the better games in the series a chance.
S3K is the pinnacle of the Sonic franchise. Nothing else comes close; the sheer volume of things to do in that game is incredible, and the quality is second to none. The levels are immersive, the designs are spectacular, the music is simply excellent... and it's a big enough game to keep you entertained for hours, but not so much to the point that it becomes a chore to beat. It truly is the perfect platformer, IMO.
Honestly, I think the reason Sonic 2 gets as much attention as it does is mainly due to a beta version being released, and people being interested in all of the elements that were taken out of the final version (Hidden Palace Zone, etc.). Otherwise, I dunno; it's really nothing I would consider quote unquote "special", as a whole. It's a good game, don't get me wrong... but I've always enjoyed S3K a heck of a lot more. And since you mentioned it, yeah, the final Robotnik fight in Sonic 2 is a total crock of bullshit. You have to be more lucky than good to win that fight; no amount of skill can compensate for the collision detection failure/glitch/whatever you want to call it that occurs 9 times out of 10.
Yeah, and then you gotta do it all over again including that boring Silver Sonic fight. Like I said, it's a good game but I dunno, to me I see it as having by far the most problems of the original games, the least platforming, and it's the least interesting as a whole.
I guess if you weren't good enough to ever make it past Mystic Cave, I could see how you would love it so much (even forgiving the slog through Aquatic Ruins), but the game isn't really very fun after that level.
I didn't really mind Wing Fortress, but it was wayyyyy too easy for a final, before-the-boss type stage. I guess with Metropolis being so overly long and difficult, it kinda makes up for that... but still.
I really do love the music in Metropolis, and I'd even go as far to say that if it weren't a 3-act stage (the 3rd act just drags on far too long), I probably wouldn't hate it that much. The teleportation pods, conveyer belts, and all the little gimmicky stuff like that is kinda cool, and it was large level with a lot of exploration. Probably the thing that really pissed me off about it were the badniks, though. The praying mantis, the crab... and lest I not forget, those idiotic little starfish bots that would explode when you step near them. I HATE those things.
Everything else you mentioned is pretty bad, though. Aquatic Ruin is a mediocre excuse for a level, and pales heavily in comparison to Labyrinth and Hydrocity, as far as water levels go. And the less said about Oil Ocean, the better; still can't believe they dropped Hidden Palace for this (although, I do disagree about the music; I kinda liked it, tbh).
People always complain about the barrel in Carnival Night, but the one that always got me was that floor booster in Wing Fortress. You know the one, it boosts you over a bottomless pit, but if you're holding any direction of button you'll die. I'm the type of person who ALWAYS holds forward on boost pads and the like, so that part really frustrated me to no end. I mean, having to push nothing to get over a gap in a platformer is just silly.
The music is also just boring. It has nothing on Scrap Brain or Death Egg from S&K.
Metropolis has fun parts such as the spear cube platforming and the wall bouncing, but the obnoxious gears that won't let you jump, the turning gears that you get knocked off and take forever to respawn, the enemy placement, and the fact that for some reason there's 3 freaking acts here make it an absolute chore to play through.
The only section in S3&K that really gave me any problems was the one conveyer belt section in the Death Egg, where if you die, you'll have to do the section again. Without any rings. Pissed me off when I first played it.
There's was also a point in Flying Battery Zone where I had no idea where to go during the section where you have to jump accross several spinning poles with fans on them. Dunno how to describe it though.
Quote from: Rynnec on September 09, 2011, 06:57:29 PM
There's was also a point in Flying Battery Zone where I had no idea where to go during the section where you have to jump accross several spinning poles with fans on them. Dunno how to describe it though.
Ah, I think I know what you're talking about. It's the part where you have to wait for the missiles being shot out of the ground to launch up, then drop back down
twice, which opens a hole for you to drop down through.
Pretty much the best way I can describe it, if that is indeed the part you're talking about.
Quote from: Kiddington on September 09, 2011, 07:04:45 PM
Quote from: Rynnec on September 09, 2011, 06:57:29 PM
There's was also a point in Flying Battery Zone where I had no idea where to go during the section where you have to jump accross several spinning poles with fans on them. Dunno how to describe it though.
Ah, I think I know what you're talking about. It's the part where you have to wait for the missiles being shot out of the ground to launch up, then drop back down twice, which opens a hole for you to drop down through.
Pretty much the best way I can describe it, if that is indeed the part you're talking about.
The best part of S3&K is that that part is entirely avoidable. But, yes, that part is confusing, I agree.
Trying to keep above water in Aquatic Ruin is not only a chore, it's just plain not fun.
Yeah, that's one of the great things about S3K; the levels are so vast and immersive, there are literally about 5-6 different given paths that one can take to complete it. It isn't linear whatsoever, and that makes for a truly great platformer.
(not saying that Sonic 2 is linear, mind you; just that S3K does level design so much better)
Sonic 2 isn't really totally linear (as far as Sonic goes), but it does make taking alternate paths... well, frustrating. Like I said, staying out of the water in Aquatic Ruin is a chore, it can be done but it's frustrating to do, yet one slip up and you fall in the water and that's pretty much it. Now it's slog through annoying objects and enemy zone.
On the other side, Hydrocity is full of traps, speed, platforms, and fun gimmicks EVERYWHERE. It's one of the few water levels in a game where falling in the water isn't something to actively avoid as an annoyance. I think only Sonic Colors and a handful of other games ever managed to get that feeling off.
It's the main difference between the games for me. Sonic 2, it's basically stay on the high road but don't go to fast of you fall to the bottom. Every other Sonic game didn't really do that, you can get to any route at pretty much any time. Even Sonic Generations seems to get that. I'm not saying it ruins Sonic 2 or anything, but it does tone down the exploration a bit.
Quote from: Desensitized on September 09, 2011, 03:34:40 PM
(Again, one zone if you count Carnival Night Act 2 and Sandopolis Act 2 as one zone)...
Why would you do that?
Quote from: Desensitized on September 09, 2011, 03:34:40 PMAnd the weird part is that I know there are people agree with me, but Sonic 2 still gets most of the praise while 1 and CD are overlooked and 3&K is brushed aside.
CD gets brushed aside? Pretty sure that's the most liked. :P
To me...
3&K>2>1=CD>SA2>SA>4
Quote from: Desensitized on September 09, 2011, 03:34:40 PM
I know I'm alone here, but... why is Sonic 2 regularly heralded as the best game in the Sonic franchise?
On a level design basis, it has a lot issues. Emerald Hill, Chemical Plant, Casino Night, and Hill Top (music aside), are awesome, but does anyone really think Aquatic Ruin is all that great? The water sections are boring and empty, the music is lame, and the level is full of badly placed enemies. Mystic Cave is fine, but it doesn't really stick out to me much at all, and the music is pretty standard fare, not really feeling very "Sonic".
Oil Ocean and Metropolis Zone are probably two of the worst zones in any of the classic games, the first has a bad art style that interferes with visibility (snooze-worthy music, too) and enemies that are hard to see and the latter is basically Sonic Team giving you the finger through 3 painfully annoying acts (but the music is awesome! "surf city, here we come!"). Then we get to Sky Chase which, music aside, is filler. Wing Fortress is dull, and by far the worst "final base" area of any of the classic games due to not really doing much of anything in the level. The less said about Death Egg and "hit 'em 4 times before the fight starts" Silver Sonic, and "wait, wait, wait, one hit, wait, wait -oops collision detection failure you're dead start over" Robotnik the better. IMO, after Mystic Cave, I usually lose all desire to continue playing.
The special stages... ugh, I've always hated these. It's still the only classic game where I don't bother with the special stages because they're just so boring and tedious to get to and half the time they're based on memorization because those stupid bombs are so freaking hard to see until its too late.
Well, despite all that, I think Sonic 2 is actually a pretty cool little game. But I really don't think it's as tight as 1 (which only has one bad zone), CD (again, only one annoying zone), or 3&K (Again, one zone if you count Carnival Night Act 2 and Sandopolis Act 2 as one zone)... And the weird part is that I know there are people agree with me, but Sonic 2 still gets most of the praise while 1 and CD are overlooked and 3&K is brushed aside.
I'm wondering if this is a Ninja Gaiden 1 NES, or TMNT II NES situation where people just don't seem to give the better games in the series a chance.
Not this shit again.
Sonic 3 & Knuckles has more than two bad zones. Marble Garden sucks, whether you like it or not. It's a dull level with easily the worst boss in any of the classic Sonics and it had the problem of being way too long like most of Sonic 3 & Knuckles levels. Also, don't forget about how ugly some levels are. Here's a sneak peek:
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftcrf.net%2Fimages%2Ff%2Ff6%2FSonic3C0408_LaunchBaseZone.png&hash=632a1d8db46d91bb9062c541f7d76dac8d301289)
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.wikia.com%2Fsonic%2Fimages%2Ff%2Ffb%2FAngelisland101.png&hash=598fc06009c13880251e68f61d5908d33cf5b41d)
Sega tried to push Sonic's graphics to the next level and failed miserably. And what the hell was Launch Base's theme supposed to be anyway? Speaking of themes, Angel Island had the stupid mistake of having NO FIRE OBSTACLES in a burning level. So dumb. They had water in the freaking stage. Also, Sky Sanctuary sucks. Sonic 3 & Knuckles best stage is Ice Cap Zone which was a zone that was originally supposed to be in Sonic 2.
Sonic 2's Death Egg bosses are also much better than Sonic 3 & Knuckles. In S3K, you had to fight that annoying gravity boss that...wait for it...takes to long to beat and then fight Egg Emperor's freaking fingers and then you had to beat him in a way that was much more repetitive than S2's boss battle. And before you say anything, Doomsday is a completely different stage.
Also, Sonic 3 & Knuckles special stage is the worst. All you do is turn and jump. And again, all of Sonic 3 & Knuckles midbosses suck and are badly designed. Just look at this one:
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.soniczone0.com%2Fgames%2Fsonicandknuckles%2Fflyingbattery%2Fsk-fbz-boss1img1.png&hash=629c82e3112b213693f44c390a9ef1879266390b)
It's like they stopped trying.
Sonic 3 & Knuckles is a vastly overrated game and the worst title in the Sonic Genesis series.
Uhh... ok.
Couldn't disagree more.
Marble Garden is a great zone. It's a pure platformer zone after the 2 speedier zones the game started off with. People usually hate it because they can't mindlessly run through it. It's one of the few zones where I can finish it with like 600 rings or so, meaning it isn't even poorly designed, so you don't even have objectivity on your side there! :P
I find it funny that you complain about level objects when Ice Cap Zone is the one zone where its obstacles have NOTHING to do with the level itself. Every single zone obstacle has to to do with the level itself in S3&K which is the way it should be. As for the no fire obstacle thing in Angel Island, well, the fire was started by the mini-boss. I mean, they already have water and electricity gimmicks in the level, fire gimmicks would be a tad too much, IMO.
The graphic complaints are purely aesthetic, so feel free to dislike it, but it's not like Sonic 2 was all that consistent either. Wing Fortress is the most bland looking zone ever, and Aquatic Ruin looks like it came out of Kid Chameleon. As for the music, again, nothing I can argue with there. It's all taste. But Launch Base is supposed to be a mix of tribal beats and industrial (I think that's the right term), which is what the zone is so it fits.
Anyway, I don't know why you hate S3&K so much outside of such superficial complaints, but Sonic 2 has plenty of bad level design throughout. I mean, you told me you didn't like the water in Chemical Plant, so are you going to sit there and tell me how Aquatic Ruin is fun? How about Metropolis Zone? Oil Ocean? Wing Fortress? Death Egg beyond the music? I'd like someone to tell me how those are fun.
Also, any boss where they don't give you rings to fight the boss is poorly designed. And yes, I'm counting that glitch in S3&K's final boss. Fighting Silver Sonic was a joke as it was, he's a total time waster. If you want to complain about the fingers, fine, but at least it doesn't glitch out and kill you like Sonic 2's will. Nothing more fun than fighting a boss that can cheap you regardless of skill level.
Now, go play the whole game as Knuckles and give me something new to discuss! ;)
Quote from: gunswordfist on September 16, 2011, 02:41:52 PM
Sonic 3 & Knuckles has more than two bad zones. Marble Garden sucks, whether you like it or not. It's a dull level with easily the worst boss in any of the classic Sonics and it had the problem of being way too long like most of Sonic 3 & Knuckles levels.
:whuh:
I can't believe you actually hate the boss in Marble Garden. I've always found it to be one of the more unique Robotnik battles in the classic Sonic games, and unless you're playing it on a solo-Tails run (whom, admittedly, does get screwed in this to a certain degree), it's a lot of fun, IMO.
I dunno. Reading over your post again, I guess it all comes down to personal taste and what have you... but still. You might just be the first person that I've EVER seen that actively dislikes S3K to
this degree. But, hey, whatever; again, that's your opinion. different strokes (https://animationrevelation.com/DifferentStrokes.jpg) for different folks, as I always say.
He's mostly doing it to mess with me, but I like talking Sonic so I don't mind.
I've been trying to get him to play the Knuckles half of the game, however. That's a pretty good challenge for someone like him who finds Sonic games too easy.
Like I told you long ago, when you tried to disregard my opinion on the game because you thought I didn't beat the game as Knuckles, I in fact have.
"Pure platforming" is just bland. Marble Garden is just a dull level featuring a Mystic Cave zone ripoff midboss.
Last time I checked, Ice Cap Zone had ice spikes. Don't know why you brought that up.
I have no clue how Wing Fortress looks bland. I can see how Sky Sanctuary does. Or Sandopolis.
I'd say S3&K is the best 2D platformer ever, except maybe DKC2.
Then again, gunswordfist is retarded, so I'm not surprised he'd say otherwise.
Also, I never said I hated S3K. I don't just have superficial complaints either. S3K is a vastly overrated game filled with overly long and badly designed levels (such as Mushroom Hill. That boring zone is too long and having to use that tedious machine doesn't help) and countless uninspired bosses (Hydrocity and Ice Cap's pretty much is the same boss.) The only things special about the game is Knuckles, (even though his Lava Reef Zone sucks) Doomsday Zone and your two favorites, Hydrocity and Ice Cap.
Quote from: talonmalon333 on September 16, 2011, 10:00:20 PM
I'd say S3&K is the best 2D platformer ever, except maybe DKC2.
Then again, gunswordfist is retarded, so I'm not surprised he'd say otherwise.
Shut up, before I make EK talk about you behind your back.
Quote from: gunswordfist on September 16, 2011, 10:09:35 PM
Also, I never said I hated S3K. I don't just have superficial complaints either. S3K is a vastly overrated game filled with overly long and badly designed levels (such as Mushroom Hill. That boring zone is too long and having to use that tedious machine doesn't help) and countless uninspired bosses (Hydrocity and Ice Cap's pretty much is the same boss.) The only things special about the game is Knuckles, (even though his Lava Reef Zone sucks) Doomsday Zone and your two favorites, Hydrocity and Ice Cap.
On the contrary, I thought the Sonic adventure was way better. And the final boss is awesome. 8)
Quote from: gunswordfist on September 16, 2011, 10:16:11 PM
Quote from: talonmalon333 on September 16, 2011, 10:00:20 PM
I'd say S3&K is the best 2D platformer ever, except maybe DKC2.
Then again, gunswordfist is retarded, so I'm not surprised he'd say otherwise.
Shut up, before I make EK talk about you behind your back.
LOL. That old blowhard?
:lol:
Well, feel free to not care for S3&K as much as 2 or whatever, but pretty much everything you don't like about it something I do like, so obviously this isn't going anywhere. :D
Damnit! All of this talk is making me want to replay the whole damn classic series again!
That's not such a bad idea. I keep forgetting to put aside on day where I have nothing to do and just play all the classics in order. Sonic 1, CD, 2, and 3&K and 100% them (except Sonic 2, that's too much effort on my part).
I did it with Mario once, so why not?
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on September 17, 2011, 09:54:27 PM
Damnit! All of this talk is making me want to replay the whole damn classic series again!
:lol: I have been wanting to play Sonic CD for awhile now. It's near the top of my list.
Here's the 3DS version of Mushroom Hill's music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWC-NA60LGU&feature=player_embedded)
Love S3&K so much. :)
Quote from: Desensitized on September 18, 2011, 11:32:46 PM
Here's the 3DS version of Mushroom Hill's music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWC-NA60LGU&feature=player_embedded)
Love S3&K so much. :)
:thumbup:
Can't wait, man. Really need to start setting aside some money for a 3DS, though; I'm just as intrigued for the handheld rendition as I am the console.
Konami announces a new Suikoden!
For the PSP. Which means we'll never get it.
And it has nothing to do with the main universe. Which means it probably won't be very good.
What a lousy company.
So I recently made a new top ten game list, and decided to share with you guys. Expect lots of Mario and Zelda. :P
NUMBER TEN
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
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Incredibly polished in every way, Twilight Princess is one of the best games in the Zelda series. The controls are a bit more sluggish then Wind Waker's, but the gameplay overall is definitely improved and has not been surpassed... yet. This game also has some of the best dungeons in the series, like the City in the Sky and Snowpeak Ruins. I also love the story, which has a great structure and twists here and there, as well as some of the best characters in the series. The graphics are also decent and hold up to this day.
NUMBER NINE
F-Zero X
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One of the biggest improvements I have ever seen in a video game. The original was merely an average speed, decent racing game. The series earned it's identity here, making this the true first F-Zero. The graphics are lousy, sure, but that had to be sacrificed to keep the speed of the game up, and graphics aren't an issue in a game where you're constantly moving at high speeds anyway. So much skill is required in this game, which brings together high speed and brilliant course design. It really is the best racing game I've ever played.
NUMBER EIGHT
Pokemon Yellow
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The most fun I have ever had with an RPG. It's the best of the Gen I games, containing more content than Red and Blue, and a Pikachu that follows you which makes it all the more joyful. This game will always be part of me. A great world with an incredibly deep combat system. Plus, getting all the Pokemon is an accomplish that everyone wants to undertake, unlike future games in the series where the excessive number of Pokemon makes the idea of getting them all just tiring. The beginning might be a little slow, but by Cerulean City, it becomes an addicting adventure.
NUMBER SEVEN
The Curse of Monkey Island
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One of the few non-Nintendo titles on my list, admittedly. This game is, simply put, a masterpiece. I adore every minute of it. The crew is loveable, every location is awesome, the music is memorable, and the script is the best in any game, without a doubt. The comedy is top notch, with so many memorable lines and different possible things to say. I especially love the relationship between the main character and the villain, with so much memorable dialogue to be had between them. And did I mention it's quite a pretty game, especially in the cutscenes? Just look at that ship and the clouds in the above image!
NUMBER SIX
Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest
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The best Donkey Kong game, in my mind! Everything from it's predecessor was improved just a little bit, which adds up in the end. The level design is perfect, as is the difficulty. I also love the atmosphere, as it is that of a high seas piratey adventure mixed with just a classic adventure theme. And did I mention that soundtrack? One of the best game soundtracks ever, period! Songs like "Jib Jig", "Forest Interlude", and more importantly, "Stickerbrush Symphony", are all brilliant. I could talk about this game for hours upon hours... But despite that, it just barely missed the top half of the list.
NUMBER FIVE
Super Mario Galaxy
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Oh ho! Time for a Mario Galaxy rant! Goodness, I adore these games beyond words! The first Galaxy is perfect in it's own right, with the exception of the difficulty which is clearly lacking. But everything else? Genius. The level design is marvelous. And the soundtrack just might be the best in all of gaming! The game also has a nice story, which most Mario games choose not to have. Plus, I am completely in love with the atmosphere in the game. It mixes a Disney style with deep space. That, coupled with the graphical style, makes this the most beautiful game that I have ever played.
NUMBER FOUR
Sonic 3 & Knuckles
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By combining Sonic the Hedgehog 3 with Sonic & Knuckles, you get the true game that the Sonic Team had envisioned in 1994, officially titled "Sonic 3 & Knuckles". This is the pinnacle of 2D platforming. There aren't a whole lot of levels, but each is big and full of content, and it just so happens that quality trumps quantity! And the soundtrack is awesome, bringing out the absolute best in the Sega Genesis! There are multiple characters to choose from, each with there own strengths and weaknesses. This is easily the best game in this classic series, and let's all hope that Sonic makes a wonderful comeback!
NUMBER THREE
Resident Evil: Director's Cut
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This game is the true beginning of survival horror. It also happens to be the one that did it best, as games since it have either cut down on the atmosphere or have inferior gameplay. Resident Evil is a classic, and it's Director's Cut on the PlayStation is the ideal version, vastly improving the scares, difficulty, and variety before the GameCube remake downgraded the atmosphere and the DS port had to scale it all down. This game isn't all about the horror, it also has an eerie feeling, where you end up in halls that look just plain strange, not downright terrifying, but just "alien". And the uncanny is far more effective then pure horror... Also, let's not those memorable lines! Resident Evil is the Master of Cheesy Dialogue!
NUMBER TWO
Super Mario Galaxy 2
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If Super Mario Galaxy was all about the beauty in the game, then this is all about the pizzaz! It's just totally awesome! The graphics are only slightly improved, if at all. But that doesn't matter cause they were great already! This game took the great platforming of it's predecessor and increased it tenfold, even adding some real difficulty. Sure, there's no story now, but that wasn't very important anyway, so who really cares? I don't, at least, not when I'm blazing through awesome galaxy after awesome galaxy! This game also has a great atmosphere of it's own that separates it from the previous one. Rather then mimicking the "deep space" style, it instead revolves it's atmosphere around the strange, magical, and various galaxies out there, which can especially be seen in World S. It's a perfect game that's better then the original... and it just barely missed the #1 spot.
NUMBER ONE
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
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I love Majora's Mask. Topping Super Mario Galaxy 2 is a tough feat, but this game did it by a hair. While some here know how much I love this game, what you may not know is that it wasn't always here. As a child, I was a bigger fan of Ocarina of Time. But then I grew up and came to appreciate real characters, artistic expression, deep storylines, and more. This game just has it all! It's a pretty small, compact game, at least by Zelda standards. But there's just so much to it! Taking away anything from the game would ruin it's meaning. But adding to it would be just as bad... And even putting all of that hoopla aside, everything else is top notch as well! The items are great, the dungeons are some of the best in the series, the soundtrack is awesome, each location is brilliant in it's own way, the masks are awesome, the villain is very effective, and to top it all off is one of the best endings in the series. Majora's Mask is awesome, and it deserves to be here.
Thoughts? I think most of it is pretty predictable. Hopefully Skyward Sword will shake it up a bit.
Great list. I haven't been able to play all of the games on your list, but I think they all have good qualities to them and a couple of them would definitely be in my top 10-20 as well. On the point of Pokemon's deep combat system, though, I'd argue that the original Red/Green/Yellow (Blue is basically the U.S. version of Green) had relatively more shallow combat systems compared to later Pokemon games. It has more to do with stats, though. Back then they didn't have EVs, IVs, or Natures, which cause Pokemon of the same exact species to be radically different as you train and evolve them, with their own custom strengths and weaknesses. It makes the combat system far more varied in later games. Though the originals are still entertaining and addicting games as well. I figured I'd just post my list even though its basically the same as it always was except for a few changes. I'll make it a top 12 list to keep the holiday spirit up (but really its because I had a hard time leaving some games out of my list by only making a top 10, yet I didn't feel like writing a full top 15 either).
12. Halo: Combat Evolved
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Personally I think it has aged extremely well and quite easily has the best campaign mode of the entire series. For me, it was the first truly great FPS that I ever played. Before that I played Goldeneye on the N64 which was a good game but I sucked at it back as a kid and couldn't manage to get very far into the game. I also tried playing other console shooters like Turok and Wolfenstein 3D, but I couldn't really "get" the appeal of the FPS genre from playing those games, and also I sucked at them as well. Then came Halo on the XBOX which my older brother and I got for Christmas, and it was brilliant for getting people like me into FPS games. Without sacrificing any challenge, it cleverly integrated a rebounding health system with an underlay of real health beneath the shield that wouldn't recharge, so in that regard you could still take permanent damage while still being able to take some unavoidable shots with your shield. It wasn't overpowered but kept the game manageable and still let it be challenging without ever becoming frustrating. In addition to that, the controls were perfect for a console shooter, and the action was intense thanks to big open environments with lots of room for strategy and maneuverability and extremely intelligent enemy AI for the time that did a fantastic job of exploiting the environment to their own advantage, forcing you to do the same if you wanted to survive. To me this is the base-line that I used to judge all other FPS games that I played on consoles from that point, onward.
11. The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages/Seasons
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A Link to the Past is great and so is Link's Awakening, but just like how some would say Ocarina of Time is overrated among the 3D Zelda games, I would say that about these games. Link's Awakening's level design can feel kind of bland by the standards of other Zelda games, and I always found A Link to the Past to be a tad bit overrated in that it starts out rather slow and it has its dull segments. To me both of the Oracle games had great level design for each dungeon, tons of great puzzles, some of my favorite Zelda gimmicks in the entire series, and some pretty awesome and occasionally even somewhat challenging boss fights. These are my favorite 2D Zelda games by far, personally.
10. Mega Man X
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Of course I have Desensitized to thank for getting me into this one. Keep in mind that I only played this for the first time a couple of years ago, but the game has aged extremely well and impressed me even to this day. As someone who hasn't played a whole lot of Mega Man games, this game convinced me that the series truly deserved its praise, and as far as I'm concerned its among the best 2D platformers and side-scrolling shooters (if you count it as such) out there, easily on the league of franchises like Mario and Sonic as well as Contra, respectively, in that regard. It didn't really make my list until now because its only recently that I got back into replaying it and discovered how addicting it can be and how much replay value it has. Sure, you can beat the story within an hour, but there is so much fun to be had discovering hidden secrets in the levels and going through handi-cap runs, or experimenting with different weapons that you get from defeating bosses, such as coming up with strategies to use the alternate fire on different bosses and see how you can make it useful to fight them (I mean ones other than the ones other than the one that they are weak against). And of course the boss fights themselves are amazing and some of the most well-designed ones ever made.
9. Jet Set Radio Future
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If you had to ask me, this would easily be my favorite 3D platformer ever. Its so unique and inventive and its jammed full of content. There are so many playable characters and the crazy obstacles that you use to traverse your environment leads to some of the most fun platforming I've ever experienced in a game. It essentially combines the mechanics of an extreme sports game like Tony Hawk or Aggressive Inline with the overall design of a platformer, and believe it or not the combination works perfectly. It also has some spectacular boss fights and while the music is hit or miss for me, the hits are really great to listen to.
8. The Legend of Zelda: The Windwaker
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Fuck what anyone else says. I love this game. I love almost everything about it. Yes, I even like sailing. Also, later on in the game you can skip sailing by using the warp ability, but even then I like sailing in the game. Its fun to discover secrets in the seas, and I just love the whole sea-faring adventure theme of the game. The sailing could have been annoying if the game got you lost easily, but it always points you in the right direction if you just want to get to the next area in the game to progress the story, but I myself don't mind traversing the sea trying to find a giant squid creature to fight for treasure or even going on that Triforce hunt that everybody hates so much. Like I said, fuck it. Sometimes I like a good relaxing fetch-quest, but in this case it actually has some cool scenarios such as having to wait until a particular phase of the moon to show up and then getting to get aboard a ghost ship. That's great stuff right there.
7. Super Mario World
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Against popular opinion, I like this better than Super Mario Bros. 3, and I think Super Marios Bros. 3 is the best NES game ever, so that's saying a lot. To me, this game was far more imaginative, adding Yoshi into the mix, and I loved the cape power-up way more than the Tanuki power-up which I honestly found kind of slow and boring in comparison. Like I said, I love Super Mario Bros. 3, but the secrets crammed into this game mixed in with its generally great level design and longer length and just as high replay value makes it the more entertaining game for me to play. Its my favorite Mario game in which you actually get to play as Mario. ;)
6. F.E.A.R.
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I have to thank Foggle for getting me to play this one. To me, in terms of pure gameplay mechanics, this is what all great FPS games should aspire to be like. The controls are tight and very smooth, and the enemy AI is the best in the business. They are lethal, they will take cover, and they will absolutely kill you if you let your guard down. This game has both a perfect level of challenge and atmosphere, and although it may suffer from repetitive environments, it makes up for it with the most intense fire-fights to be featured in any FPS game ever made. :thumbup:
5. Max Payne
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Hands down my favorite third person shooter of all-time. Even before Resident Evil 4 revolutionized the genre with its over the shoulder point of view and mechanics and controls designed around that, Max Payne did something that makes it totally unique and stand-out in the TPS genre. Its not a revolutionary step as its something that would only apply to the John Woo style of gameplay that the game goes for, but it works out perfectly for this game, and just like in RE4 and other modern TPS games, the perspective is still always from behind the character's back, but just not as close-up, which in some cases gives you a much better view point of the surrounding area. I love how this game incorporates the bullet-time mechanic, and the action and gun-fights are still some of the most intense out of any shooter to this day, and as far as I'm concerned its still the closest that a game has ever come to replicating John Woo's style of gun-fight action (even more so than Stranglehold, the video game sequel to John Woo's own film, Hardboiled, with John Woo himself involved as a creative consultant, lol).
4. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest
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Its the best game of the SNES trilogy, and while I also like the first one a ton, I can't deny that this game combines its great platforming mechanics with some truly terrific and creative level design, and the game's satisfactory length and replay value combined with its very well varied and well paced nature from level to level makes it my 2nd favorite platformer ever made.
3. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
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This is my favorite platformer ever made. I love the art design, I love the music, I love the level design, I love the boss fights....hell, I love EVERYTHING about this game!....except for....you know, that awfully annoying sound of Baby Mario crying every time you lose him, but other than that its fucking awesome. Also, I won't lie, Giant Baby Bowser at the end of the game kind of scared me as a kid. That silhouette of his looked really creepy as it started coming closer, and closer to you. Also the track that plays when you fight him may just be my favorite track in the entire game. I'm not ashamed to admit one bit that I find this game to be superior to any Mario game that actually features the title character as the main character. Fuck Mario (**I'm only half-being sarcastic, in case you don't get it**). Yoshi's where its at. 8)
2. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
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You know what, fuck what everyone else says. Call it overrated, call it outdated, call it whatever the fuck you want. I call it fun, and you know what, I still think its level design holds up just great. The game still has an epic scope even to this day, it still has some of the best designed puzzles in the entire series, it has my favorite gimmick in the entire series allowing you to switch between kid link and adult link and go back and forth through time. It has some of my favorite musical scores in the entire series, and it has many of my favorite dungeons and bosses in the entire series. It not only revolutionized the controls of 3D action adventure games as we know them, but it still holds up well in that department today, and although its camera and controls may not be 100% perfect, unless your a nit-picky bastard they're still good enough to enjoy the game without the experience feeling hampered at all. And you know what, this game isn't anymore overrated than A Link to the Past. Like I said, I love that game as well, but here's a little secret: it just got popular to praise that game after it became cool to hate on Ocarina for being the most popular. Neither game is perfect in my eyes (no game is, really), but they are both excellent games and among the pinnacle of 2D and 3D Zelda games, respectively. That said, I guess you could say that I'm the opposite of Desensitized in this manner. As he says he doesn't like 3D Zelda all that much, I find myself a bit underwhelmed by 2D Zelda (except for the Oracle games, obviously), though in my case I still do like their formula. I just find 3D Zelda games to be more fun than the 2D ones, in all honesty, and if you feel differently then that's fine, but sometimes I do think 3D can be more fun than its respective 2D retro-counterpart, and to me this is one example of that.
1. Ninja Gaiden Black
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I've already praised this game extensively up the wazoo. Also, I know that no matter what I say none of you guys who haven't already played it will ever find it more appealing and play it anyways. So you know what, fuck it. I'll just sum up what I truly feel about this game in comparison to every other game that I have ever played. Best combat system ever made. Best enemies in any game ever. Best sense of challenge and accomplishment ever. Best assortment of weapons ever. Best set of boss fights ever. Best assortment of harder difficulties ever. Best level design in any action game ever. Best controls in any action game ever. Best sense of accomplishment in any game ever. Best replay value ever. Best action game ever. Best game ever. Period. 'Nuff said.
Oh, and just for the hell of it my favorite Pokemon game is Fire Red/Leaf Green, the remakes of the original games. That said I would probably pick Heart Gold/Soul Silver if I ever got the chance to play those. They would be among the first DS games that I bought and played if I ever got one (I'd probably go for Black or White first, though).
Both of your lists have inspired me to make my own. I'm working on the list right now so it's a WiP, so I won't list it until I'm done.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on November 10, 2011, 09:03:59 PM
Great list. I haven't been able to play all of the games on your list, but I think they all have good qualities to them and a couple of them would definitely be in my top 10-20 as well. On the point of Pokemon's deep combat system, though, I'd argue that the original Red/Green/Yellow (Blue is basically the U.S. version of Green) had relatively more shallow combat systems compared to later Pokemon games. It has more to do with stats, though. Back then they didn't have EVs, IVs, or Natures
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Silly EK, IV and EV were always in the games since the beginning. They were just a little bit more different than the current system. See here (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/IV#Generation_I) and here (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/EV#Generation_I) for a more refined example.
Hmmmm, I guess I remember the older games wrong, but it must have been at least somewhat different since I didn't remember there being that much variability between 2 of the same Pokemon if you leveled them up all of the way (as in, their stats were almost identical as far as I can remember). Perhaps I should replay the original versions of Red and Green/Blue or Yellow to experiment with that game's stat-leveling system.
Still, I do feel that the later installments at the very least had a more refined feel to the combat, but maybe my outlook is just biased.
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I did notice a couple of differences from the link you sent me. One of the main ones was that in G1 and 2 there was only one IV value that applied to both special attack and special defense, whereas in G3 and 4 that changed so that there were separate IV values that individually applied to each stat. So in other words I believe that would mean that based on IV values in the early generations, it would either contribute to stronger or weaker special attack and defense in general based on the value as opposed to having them vary. Though, they each still had their own individual EV values according to that chart, so they could still vary to some degree, rather than the Pokemon having having to have both special stats be around the same level.
The interesting thing is that, if I'm not mistaken, the Fire Red and Leaf Green remakes ended up integrating in the stat-leveling system from G3 rather than the original one, so that's probably why I noticed a lot of difference in IVs/EVs in that game and how it effected my Pokemon as I raised them.
Good lists, guys. I'm glad to see I was able to spread some MMX love around. The game is just so perfect that it's a shame how they managed to lose a bit of what made it work in later installments.
I think I might make a list, too. But I'll try to shake it up with more genres this time.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on November 10, 2011, 09:03:59 PM
Great list. I haven't been able to play all of the games on your list, but I think they all have good qualities to them and a couple of them would definitely be in my top 10-20 as well. On the point of Pokemon's deep combat system, though, I'd argue that the original Red/Green/Yellow (Blue is basically the U.S. version of Green) had relatively more shallow combat systems compared to later Pokemon games. It has more to do with stats, though. Back then they didn't have EVs, IVs, or Natures, which cause Pokemon of the same exact species to be radically different as you train and evolve them, with their own custom strengths and weaknesses. It makes the combat system far more varied in later games. Though the originals are still entertaining and addicting games as well. I figured I'd just post my list even though its basically the same as it always was except for a few changes. I'll make it a top 12 list to keep the holiday spirit up (but really its because I had a hard time leaving some games out of my list by only making a top 10, yet I didn't feel like writing a full top 15 either).
Thanks! As for Pokemon, you're right. I do think they're still deep, but yeah, not on the same level as later games. Thankfully the originals have other features that make them more fun as a whole than later games. :)
As for you're list, it's also great! I noticed Ninja Gaiden II isn't there. I always knew you were a (much) bigger fan of the first one, but I had a feeling you'd clip it onto the very end of the list. :P
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on November 10, 2011, 09:03:59 PM
12. Halo: Combat Evolved
11. The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages/Seasons
10. Mega Man X
9. Jet Set Radio Future
8. The Legend of Zelda: The Windwaker
7. Super Mario World
6. F.E.A.R.
5. Max Payne
4. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest
3. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
2. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
1. Ninja Gaiden Black
#11: I love Link's Awakening, but I agree with you on A Link to the Past. Ocarina of Time did everything it did, only better and in 3D. 8)
#10: YES! I like this better than 2 and 3, the traditional favorites from what I've seen. X just had more going for it.
#8: I felt terrible about kicking Wind Waker out of my list, but Twilight Princess just recently stole it's spot. Hope you get to play through this someday. I think it's the definitive "traditional" Zelda (still love Ocarina though)... By the way, sailing is awesome, for every reason you said and more.
#7: I tend to pick 3 over this when rankings. But really, I like them equally! I prefer the variety of different powerups in 3 over Yoshi, as well as the level variety. But World... I don't know, something about the atmosphere really draws me in. Plus, it has an AWESOME ending theme!
#4: Excellent! I already went into depth with this one of my list.
#3: Aww, you know Baby Mario's insanely annoying crying is classic! LOL. Agreed with everything you said (except it being the best platformer, but it's up there). Baby Bowser is the best Mario boss, and one of the best final bosses in ANY game. 8)
#2: Classic. And while I like the other 3D games more, one thing this game has over them is that it's easier to pick up and just play through. In fact, I recently beat this in five days, but the other 3D games took about twice that amount of time! Have you gotten a chance to try the remake?
#1: That's a surprise... :P
(That took a while to type up. :sweat:)
Okay, I narrowed it down to 15 games, and diversified it a bit with a few different genres. I'm still missing some favorites, but I'll settle with these being my 15 most favorite games of all time. Honestly, I just picked the games that I come back to the most and am always willing to pop in for another playthrough at the drop of a hat, as replayability is my most important aspect in choosing a favorite. So here's my list.
15. Rockin' Kats
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I'm probably the only one in the world that would rate this game so high, but you know... whatever. The game is a great platformer, with tons of variety, and a swinging mechanic that doesn't suck like Bionic Commando's does. The game is basically a tribute to classic cartoons with a classic jazzy and rock n roll (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZA3EpJhhV4&feature=related) inspired soundtrack. It's a simple and straightforward game with a lot of charm, and it's one of my favorite games ever. (As you can tell from my avatar on a certain other board.)
14. Duck Tales
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Exploration, adventure, treasures, money, platforming, a unique attack style, and quite possibly the best music on the system. Almost like Mega Man crossed with Mario, but with a focus on treasure and money that fits right in with Duck Tales, there is no other game like Duck Tales short of its sequel (and similar Game Boy games) and that's really a shame because it's one of the best in not just its genre or system, but one of the best games ever. I still don't think anyone has ever found all the hidden money and gems in this game, and that's just amazing to think about.
13. DOOM II
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Oh WOW. Talk about a shooter. DOOM is a classic and one of the best shooters ever made, but DOOM II takes the original and blows off all the doors. Anything you can imagine is turned on its head, the level design is complex but never complicated (one level kind of is, but that might just be me) but the action is just as rip-roaring as it was in DOOM yet even better with the improved weapons and enemy types. As far as the pure FPS experience goes, DOOM II is still one of the best and arguably still the best. Simplistic, yet complicated, straightforward and yet over the top. Despite the dated graphical style (there's not much they could do about that, though) and limitations of the time, DOOM II managed to shine through as a pure shooter classic. Turn the lights off and crank up the volume (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7T1KuW0S8I) and enjoy classic gaming at its finest.
12. Garou: Mark Of The Wolves
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I've played a lot of fighting games in my day. Some good, some bad, but few have given me the feel of a fight. MOTW is a fighting game that casuals can jump into and feel bad ass, and experts can pick apart all day. Every fight has a flow and a feel to it that even a novice like me can pick up on. As far as traditional one on one fighting goes- this is the peak. Every character has a style, all attacks come out fast, but are very easy to whiff with and easily punished, there are few overly complicated commands and fights can be as hectic or calm as the players want and the fights are always fun to watch and play. This game still has SNK boss syndrome, but it's hard to list that as a fault when that's really the only problem the game has. Again, this is the best traditional fighting game ever made.
11. Super Smash Bros.
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Arcade action for a console. A simple, yet addictive experience and with just a handful of buttons, things can get hectic fast. While the sequels added more, I think they missed the simplistic joy of the hits this game offers where every hit feels STRONG and every character is a totally unique experience. Perfect for pick up and play, or for long gameplay sessions, in my opinion it is the best game on the Nintendo 64 and one of the best party games ever made. (I'd say fighter, but I don't want to be skinned)
10. Ninja Five-O
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Take Bionic Commando, Ninja Gaiden, Shinobi, and Rolling Thunder, put them in a blender and you get Ninja Five-O (Or Ninja Cop in the UK), the best game nobody owns because Konami botched the release of the game making it impossible to find and expensive to buy. You basically enter a terrorist situation, rescue hostages, evade traps, slay enemies, defeat crazy bosses, and save the day. It's wonderfully simple and straightforward, but the way it plays and works is what makes it truly shine. You can go in Rambo, or you can try to sneak and attack. You can swing through levels, climb ceilings, or just hop around. You have quite the surprising amount of options despite it being just a portable game, but it is a true classic. Had this come out on the SNES or Genesis, it would most likely have been huge and lead to a series. As it is, it's just an obscure classic.
9. OutRun Online Arcade/OutRun 2/OutRun 2006/whatever they want to call it
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You have to play this to get it, I think. Not just a racing game in that, there's no "traditional" track. You are literally racing across country on highways, swerving through traffic and hairpin turns and choosing routes (a racing game with branching paths! Brilliant!) in order to get the best score and/or time. There is no racing game in existence like OutRun, but while the original is a bit too rough for my taste, the sequel and all the alternate mixes/modes/editions/whatever based on it takes the concept and blows it up giving way to the best arcade racer ever made. No traditional racer has anything on the OutRun games, and as someone who doesn't really like the genre, I think it's one of the best games ever made.
8. Shinobi 3
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Probably the best ninja game ever. No game has managed to nail the feel of being a ninja so flawlessly as well as even letting in the more crazy elements (like storming a base) but never breaking the tone of the action up. Other Shinobi games have had their faults (Revenge being hard to the point of being cheap, Shadow Dancer's one hit annoyances), but 3 has no issues aside from some annoying (but beatable) bosses, and in fact has tons of high points throughout. Possibly the secret best Sega game, it needs way more attention than it gets.
7. Mario Kart Double Dash!!
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My personal favorite racing game. 16 tracks; almost all of which have crazy twists and turns and weird ideas throughout, and almost all are the best in the entire series. The ingenious idea of having two drivers per kart, which lends itself to different experiences and strategies for every race as well as having the only 'true' co-op in the entire series with having two players per kart, not to mention being able to have 4 players fight 2 on 2 and the all cup tour lends itself to a great marathon race. The only issues I have is the less than ideal battle mode (boring courses and no bots) and the lack of retro courses (which can't be faulted on the game since they were not implemented until MKDS... and poorly there), everything else is pretty much the best Mario Kart has ever been and leaves me waiting for a real sequel.
6. Contra
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Run, gun, shoot, and dodge. That's it. There's nothing else to Contra. No dumb story, distracting art style, or cheesy cinematic scenes. Just two guys run and gunning their way through the bad guy's base. The action is tight, the levels are varied, and everything is kept minimalistic. Gaming perfection.
5. Perfect Dark
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I wasn't always much of a GoldenEye fan. I loved the campaign at the time and how you could play it multiple ways with different objectives, but the multiplayer wasn't as revolutionary as everyone was saying, I found it dull and empty. then Perfect Dark- GoldenEye's "sequel" was announced, and I was giddy with anticipation. It looked to have improved upon everything I didn't like about GoldenEye while keeping everything I did. Then it came out, and I was still blown away. The multiplayer is still one of the best ever, but the single player modes and options improved tremendously on GoldenEye's basic campaign. But the biggest thing they kept was the feel of the action, where bullets had impact, weapons felt awesome to use (and they even had alternate fire modes!) and the campaign had a lot of variety and ways to play through it. Honestly, still a great game today even in a genre as over-saturated as FPS games.
4. Mega Man X
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Everyone knew Mega Man back in the early 90s. But when a bunch of us got together and rented Mega Man x, we were not ready for what happened. The increased speed, wall jumping, amazing levels and music, sub tanks that could be refilled, and the perfect weapons that had a ton of uses like slicing off Flame Mammoth's trunk, or taking Armored Armadillo's armor off, this kind of stuff blew us away at the time. We made it all the way to Sigma's fortress before the spider boss stopped us cold, and it would be a while before we conquered the fortress, but that didn't stop us from playing the game to death. In fact, most of us still do, the game is perfect. While the series eventually slid downhill, the success of MMX1 was well deserved and is one of the best games ever.
3. The Legend Of Zelda: A Link To The Past
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It took me years to finish this game. I still remember the first time collecting the three pendants and facing down the wizard and thinking it was a fun game, but a bit too short. Then the game actually began and what occurred was easily the most fun I've ever had with an adventure game not made of only text. One of my favorite aspects is all the hidden caves and areas featuring items and gadgets that were completely optional and not even necessary for completion of the game. It took me a long time to find out if I had found everything in the game and even now I'm not sure if I have. While I have enjoyed pretty much every Zelda game since, none have come close to the scope and new ideas that this gave way to (though Link's Awakening, the 'sequel', came close) and it still remains the best adventure game I've ever played.
2. Sonic The Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles
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I was always a Sonic fan growing up. But unlike most of my friends/schoolmates/random kids, I liked both Nintendo and Sega pretty much the same. The one difference was that until Sonic 3 came out, I always enjoyed Mario games more. Then one of my friends rented Sonic 3 and I was floored. Angel Island started up, the forest was set ablaze and Robotnik chased us with a giant battle ship. That punk that stole the emeralds destroyed the bridge and we fell into an underground city that threw us through walls and we were thrown through the sky into a giant mountain. Then Tails carried Sonic into a boss battle that blew our minds before we made way to a neon lit wonderland and had to think hard about how to pass a certain barrel. The neon lights gave way to a winter wonderland with a gorgeous soundtrack into a giant base merged with greenery. The game was brilliant, it was unbelievable, it was perfect, it was... too short. Until I spotted Sonic & Knuckles one day at the rental store and had pretty much the same experience. Then I learned that you could link it to other Sonic games and after putting it in Sonic 3, I discovered quite possibly the best game ever made... Hidden in such an obscure connection method. So weird, but so worth it.
1. Super Mario Bros. 3
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Oh, come on. Everyone saw this coming. My favorite game of all time, SMB3 has it all. The largest platformer ever made for its time, tons of power ups, levels, unique worlds, and tight controls. One of my favorite things about this game was how every level has a distinct feel and flow to it, as well as mostly having unique art styles for them throughout. While I loved it as a kid, my love for it has only grown over time as I got better at games and the genre, but SMB3's pure uniqueness and execution has yet to be matched to me. It's not the longest game, and can be beaten even faster if you use the right cheats, but the replay value is off the charts considering all the different ways you can play through it. The game blew me away as a kid and it still does when I play it now. Honestly, this is the perfect video game to me and the one I judge all others to.
I've been wanting to make a list ever since seeing how good all of yours looks. I'm way rusty on my gaming, so this won't be as impressive as the others on here.
Actually, it was going to be longer, but it's only a top 5, since that's all I can really think of right now.
5. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
Still my favorite RPG. I think it's hugely involving and I like how every character serves their purpose into the overall experience arguably moreso than a lot of other RPGs. I also thank it for getting me into Bioware. Whenever I get a chance to play the Mass Effect games, I'd like to compare how they stand to KOTOR, but for now, it's still up there for me.
4. Metal Gear Solid
You know, when I think about it, MGS is like the Indiana Jones series. While the other 3 installments all have their strengths and memorable moments, none of them compare to the first, which is easily one of the best and most memorable of its kind. It's one of the few stealth games I've found rewarding to play with every solitary detail, and the narrative is fun without most of Kojima's bullshit twists. And each of the bosses still hold up today.
3. Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles
Yeah, this seems to be the Sonic game of choice over here. Honestly, it is pretty much the perfect Sonic experience, and I don't have much more to add.
2. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Heh, I can't help but notice how everyone has a Zelda game in their top 3 so far. Well, it's my favorite franchise so I'll jump the gun as well. I was super hyped for Twilight Princess when I saw the test footage for it all those E3's back, and honestly, I was not disappointed when I picked up my Wii. It's such a well done Zelda adventure, handled with a cleverly told story, fun new characters, a gorgeous graphic system, and the same little twists and inside jokes that make for any great Zelda experience. I'm thinking of playing it again before Skyward Sword comes out. I can't tell what I'm more excited for, the new one or replaying this.
1. Star Fox 64
The more I think about, the more I realize that this is probably the one game I come back to the most, and the one that I never really feel bored with no matter how many times I've played it. At it's core, it's just a basic arcade air pilot game, albeit one with a load of neat tricks that make replaying a blast. Even then, the system is so tightly done that it's easy to go back again and again even if you stay on the main path you always do. It's a lot better done than the somewhat clunky SNES original and loads better than the games that followed it. By far the best Star Fox game, and one of Nintendo's most fun.
Great list. I haven't played the original MGS myself, and I still have yet to play Twilight Princess as well (but I'm sure its as great as everyone says it is), but I love the 3 other games on your list. I also agree with you on KOTOR (it just barely missed my list; it'd certainly be in my top 20 at the very least). Its my favorite RPG as well, and this is coming from a guy who doesn't really care for the genre on the whole. And for what its worth I liked it a lot better than Mass Effect. I hear the sequel brought substantial improvements to the gameplay, but the first one suffered from bland cover-based combat and what was honestly a pretty boring story until around the last quarter of it or so. The characters also weren't as interesting to me as the characters in KOTOR, but maybe that's just because I have a thing for Star Wars archetype characters in the SW Universe.
I still need to get back to playing Sonic 3 and Knuckles myself. In terms of what I've played of it so far (I got just past Ice-Cap Zone on my first run before I had to quit), I personally like it about equally as much as Sonic 2 (but I love Sonic 2, so that's still saying a lot), but I'm sure that when I get to experience playing the game as Knuckles it'll add some more depth to the experience, which'll probably push it just a smidge above Sonic 2 for me, making it my favorite Sonic game as well.
Another fantastic game, and probably my 2nd favorite N64 game. Its certainly the best rail-shooter/space-shooter ever made as far as I'm concerned. Sure, it can be finished in just over an hour or maybe even less, but the replay value with the alternate levels and trying to score perfect runs on each stage makes it last for at least dozens of hours of grade-A entertainment.
Star Fox 64 is another one of my favorites, in fact the 3DS version is still on my list.
I also agree with MGS1 (not the remake), I just didn't like the tone shift the series had after this game. They went too goofy and lost the grittiness this game had which made the stealth much more intense and satisfying to pull off.
The English version of Yakuza 4 is excessively cheap on Play-Asia right now. GO GO GO! (http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-bp-49-en-70-3v36.html)
Quote from: Desensitized on November 12, 2011, 09:44:29 PM
Star Fox 64 is another one of my favorites, in fact the 3DS version is still on my list.
I also agree with MGS1 (not the remake), I just didn't like the tone shift the series had after this game. They went too goofy and lost the grittiness this game had which made the stealth much more intense and satisfying to pull off.
Didn't play the remake, but what did it do worse?
Quote from: talonmalon333 on November 13, 2011, 06:49:54 PM
Quote from: Desensitized on November 12, 2011, 09:44:29 PM
Star Fox 64 is another one of my favorites, in fact the 3DS version is still on my list.
I also agree with MGS1 (not the remake), I just didn't like the tone shift the series had after this game. They went too goofy and lost the grittiness this game had which made the stealth much more intense and satisfying to pull off.
Didn't play the remake, but what did it do worse?
The voice acting, enemy AI from the wrong game, adding features from the sequel basically breaking the difficulty entirely, and making the story worse by making it closer to MGS2's idiocy. The remake basically killed any interest I had in the series after 2 blindsided me.
MGS2 is the only MGS game I ever fully played. While mechanically the game was fine enough (its not really my thing, though, as I'm not too much into stealth action), I couldn't for the life of me understand anything about its fucking story. I swear, it was nothing but over-convoluted, pretentious, tripe, and that's during the few times you could actually take it seriously. I understand that it was trying to be intentionally goofy at some instances, but the hilarious thing is that its hard to discern the goofy moments from the serious ones. Its pretty much the perfect tutorial on what NOT to do with a story in a video game (or any medium, for that matter).
Nice list, EK. I still need to beat Yoshi's Island (and just about any Mario game) and I need to get Oracle Of Ages.
I think even without bullettime, Max Payne would be the greatest TPS of all time. Remedy went the extra mile.
Was browsing the thread and noticed Desensitized's complaints on Sonic 2. While we all have our own opinions, having just replayed the game myself (and not really having an nostalgia bias for any particular game in the series as I didn't even have a particular favorite as a kid), I disagree with a lot of the complaints.
There's nothing wrong with complaining about the game, but most of the stuff you listed are personal issues rather than objective gameplay flaws. Personally I thought that the music throughout most of the game was kick-ass, and most of the zones you called boring I thought were fun. And I especially disagree with you about Aquatic Ruin Zone. I loved the music in that level and the stage itself had more going on in it than what you gave it credit for. The only zone that I agree with you on not liking is Metropolis Zone, personally. Its too long and drawn out (I don't understand why this zone was 3 acts long when every other zone was only 2 acts), and its level design can be rather confusing at times.
I had absolutely no visibility problems in Oil Ocean Zone and if anything I loved its level design (as for the music, while I don't find it to be as bad as you do, its pretty standard to me; nothing I'll really remember, but its passable at least).
Sky Chase Zone IS filler, but I don't see how that's worth complaining about as it was a fun little diversion before getting back to the main game. Besides, if we're talking strictly gameplay here, Sonic and Knuckles has Hidden Palace Zone, which aside from story is just as much filler gameplay-wise as Sky Chase Zone (which is also arguably story-driven, as it explains how Sonic gets onto Robotnik's air-ship via Tails flying him there on an airplane).
Also, as far as Sonic 1 goes, sorry to say it, but in retrospect I see it as the weakest of the 2D Sonic games (not counting Sonic CD which I haven't played yet). Its still a great game and a classic platformer, so don't get me wrong and think I'm saying that its bad (because its awesome), but I hated Marble Zone and Labrynth Zone, and I'm lukewarm to Scrap Brain Zone at best (while I appreciate its level of challenge, it just moves by way too slowly, and the level design is kind of dull, IMO). That's 2/6 Zones right there, which is 1/3rd of the entire game. If 1/3rd of the game is boring, its not exactly perfect or even that tight, IMO.
With Sonic 2, there were also 2 Zones which I didn't like (Hill Top Zone and Metropolis Zone), but Hill Top Zone was only 2 acts so it was shorter, and the game on the whole was about twice as long as the first game, so it wasn't as big of an issue, especially since the game at least allowed you to speed-run through stages quickly if you were skilled enough for that (so I could get through stages I didn't like and make them a lot shorter than they needed to be ;) ). Well, you could do that in the first game as well in the Zones that actually allowed you to be as fast as you wanted, but in Sonic 2 you could do that in just about every Zone.
I'll probably end up agreeing that S3K is the best when I'm done with it, as their has only been 1 Zone in the game that I don't like, but still I felt like giving my opinion on Sonic 2, and why I think its almost as good, personally.
Also, speaking of S3K, I just got up to Death Egg Zone. I was surprised by how quickly Sky Sanctuary Zone ended. I guess I forgot that it was only 1 act long. It was kind of cool how Metal Sonic used old machines that Robotnik had used in previous games the multiple times he fought you throughout the stage. Aside from the music and art design being fantastic, though, I thought that the Zone itself was pretty average, in terms of gameplay and level design.
Sonic 1 definitely feels slow in comparison to it's sequels. While still great, it doesn't hold up as well as, say, the first SMB.
Alright, I'm not sure how much of the game I actually have left before its finished (for the record I'm currently in the middle of Chapter 5-2), but RE4 is already a serious contender for being in my top 10 favorite games of all-time, and I'd already put it in my top 20 despite not being done with it yet. I've seen plenty of games hyped up before and rarely do they ever live up to my expectations, and in the case of RE4 its kind of the opposite because I was expecting a good game but was also keeping my expectations in check since I wasn't sure if it'd live up to its level of hype or not. Well, even though it contains some movie-game elements here and there (in terms of scripted QTEs and such, which I can actually tolerate in this game the way its handled), and its control scheme isn't necessarily the most perfect for dealing with every situation, the game itself is brilliant, and I can see why it gets all of the praise that it does.
There are some games that just give you that feeling of satisfaction as you play through it that you rarely get from any other game, and in those cases you know that you're playing something extra special. Not just a great game, but a memorable one at that, and one that you know you'll want to go back and replay as soon as you're done with it.
Also, I should note that as a last-gen game, this game is already hands down better than any other game that I have played this generation. Of course, I haven't played too many games this generation being limited only to what I can play on the XBOX360 and some games that my friend buys for his Wii that I can play in bits and pieces from time-to-time as I visit him, so I'm sure there are plenty of great games from this gen that I still have yet to play. That said, out of anything I have played, while there have been a few great titles in the mix, most of it has been mediocre, and even the best ones that I've played haven't hooked me as much as Resident Evil 4 has.
I really like the creative boss fights (especially since the game doesn't hold your hand and tell you how you're supposed to defeat them), and while the game isn't necessarily scary, its definitely intense. It puts you in challenging situations where you're at a disadvantage and you have to use strategy and tactics (along with a lot of firepower, of course), to make it through each encounter. That isn't to say that its really a very hard game, but I have died about 20 times throughout my entirety of having played through the game so far (which I juts realized is average for a game from last-gen, but A LOT compared to games of this gen), and while maybe half of those were due to my own stupidity in not realizing what to do in certain situations, the rest were due to either challenging situations or me being caught off-guard by some admittedly clever little tricks that the game pulls on you to see if you're paying attention (my favorite was getting grabbed by an El Gigante even after I dropped it into the lava pit, not realizing that it doesn't instantly die and can drag me down with it if I'm not careful to keep my distance from the pit :sweat: ).
Overall the game just constantly throws the unexpected at you, and it really keeps me wanting to see what happens next, and more importantly I want to PLAY through what happens next, which is oddly enough a feeling that I haven't had in a game this generation (I don't count F.E.A.R. as a current-gen game, just for the record), and oddly enough, I haven't felt this exciting or engaged playing a game since F.E.A.R., and before F.E.A.R. it was Ninja Gaiden Black, so its certainly been a good gap of time between these monumentally great game (from my perspective) that I have played through.
Also, now that I have played through most of this game, I think that any other TPS that I've played from this gen pales in comparison. Don't get me wrong, that doesn't mean I don't think that they are good, and I still have a bunch which I have yet to play, like Mikami's Vanquish and Suda's SoD, but this is definitely better than the Gears of War games and stuff like Dead Space (at least the first one, which is the only one that I've played), and for the record I liked the Gears of War games (I haven't played the third one, yet) and Dead Space. That said this game is just on a whole different level than any of those other games, IMO.
That's AWESOME. I prefer classic RE, but I can't deny the masterpiece that RE4 is.
Chapter 5-2? If I remember where that is correctly, there are some great parts ahead...
Shadows of the Damned is hilarious, but it's not really all that fun. As far as third person shooters go, I'd rank Vanquish up there with Max Payne 1/2 and Resident Evil 4.
I have to say that the absolutely terrible writing is one of my favorite things about RE 4. Leon's one-liners are so legitimately awful that they actually end up being awesome. Also, an exchange between Krauser and Leon right after the knife fight (I won't spoil it in case it happens after 5-2) is so abjectly stupid that my friends and I reference it at every possible instance.
Quote from: Foggle on November 20, 2011, 11:56:42 AM
Shadows of the Damned is hilarious, but it's not really all that fun. As far as third person shooters go, I'd rank Vanquish up there with Max Payne 1/2 and Resident Evil 4.
I have to say that the absolutely terrible writing is one of my favorite things about RE 4. Leon's one-liners are so legitimately awful that they actually end up being awesome. Also, an exchange between Krauser and Leon right after the knife fight (I won't spoil it in case it happens after 5-2) is so abjectly stupid that my friends and I reference it at every possible instance.
Foogle, YOU'RE small time.
Oh yeah, I fully factor in the cheesy one-liners as part of what I love about this game as well. Its what contributes to the complete package being awesome. If it were just some generic story that a modern game would go far, it'd bore the hell out of me, but over here its actually fun to listen to the dialogue, even if its only because its funny in a way other than what the writers of this game probably intended. :D
Anyways, after I'm done with this game, I'll probably look into getting Code Veronica X, as well, but my priority for the next game I want to get, as of right now, is still Sonic Generations.
I decided to post up the rest of my top 25 list to complement the top 12 that I posted earlier. I've updated it from the last time that I posted this list up, earlier this year, and while most of what was in my list before is still there, I've added in 2 titles, and changed the orders of some other ones around.
For right now I'll just post the list itself, but later on I'll edit in some actual explanations for why I rank these games within my list (just like with my top 12; but just not as long or in-depth as that).
25. Star Wars: Jedi Knight II- Jedi Outcast
24. Donkey Kong Country
23. Ninja Gaiden II (NES)
22. Super Mario Bros. 3
21. Pokemon Fire Red/Leaf Green
20. Ninja Gaiden II (XBOX360)
19. TimeSplitters 2
18. Power Stone 2
17. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
16. Sonic 3 & Knuckles
15. Star Fox 64
14. Soul Calibur II
13. Resident Evil 4
I'll just say that, as a rule, I would never usually rank a game on my list until I fully completed it at least once (and usually I have to play it much more than that to be sure of where I would rank it). With RE4 its one of those special cases in which I hae played through most of the game and know that its just an instant classic and that it belongs on my list. I'm still on Chapter 5-2, but at this point even if the rest of the game somehow turned out to be utter crap (which I seriously doubt), what I've played so far is good enough for the game to rank at least this high. The thing is I'm pretty sure that by the time I actually complete the game and play the Separate Ways missions as well, it'll probably have easily made its way into my top 10 list. That said, since I still have yet to complete it, for now it ranks at this spot on my list, and even then the fact that it ranks on my list at all is saying a lot by how highly I think of it. Honestly, it hasn't been since NGB that I was this into a game when playing through it, and before NGB it was Ocarina of Time that gave me that feeling.
Just for the hell of it, I'm ranking my personal top 5 games of this gen. Please note that since all I've owned is an XBOX360 and haven't gotten much of an opportunity to play Wii or PS3 games, my list will quite obviously be biased to games for the XBOX360. That said, these are the best ones that I've personally played from this gen:
1. Ninja Gaiden II- Yeah, its flawed, but fuck any haters, I still think this game is awesome and quite honestly even in its flawed state and taking a step back from the first game, it still gave me a hell of a lot more enjoyment and replay value on the whole than any other game that I've played this gen, personally.
2. Sonic Generations- Its the only platformer that I've fully played and beat this gen, so naturally it gets ranked higher than any non-Ninja Gaiden game that I have played this gen.
3. Halo: Reach- I'm no Halo nut, but to be honest this game took me by surprise as to how good it really was. To me its the best FPS that I've personally played from this gen.
4. Alan Wake- Its the best TPS that I've played this gen, simple as that. Incidentally, it may or may not end up being topped by Max Payne 3, but that still awaits to be seen.
5. F.E.A.R. 2- Underrated sequel. Anyone who disagrees can just go fuck themselves for all I care. I'm tired of this game getting hate that it doesn't deserve. Its not quite on par with the first game, but its still a damn good game, and honestly better than any other FPS that I've played this gen, aside from Halo: Reach.
Uhhh...Let's see:
1. MGS4- My favorite game of all time. I just love the experience
2. DMC4- 4>>>3. Nero>>>Dante.
3. Mass Effect 2- Great overall. Problem is the story isn't really important outside of getting to know Cerberus and there's very little missions against the main villains.
4. Bayonetta
5. Arkham Asylum
I obviously need to play more games this gen.
Painkiller: Black Edition is currently $2.50 on Steam. I recommend it to everyone! There's a demo, too, so you'll be able to see how well it'll run (and if you like it) before buying. :)
Wish I could!
Top 5 games of this gen? I'll go with 10, and to be fair, I'll limit it to one per series. The first 5 have a few things that annoy me, but the experience more than makes up for any issues I have with it.
10. Donkey Kong Country Returns
Not perfect, but it gets close. A few quirks that should be ironed out by the sequel (I'll find David Wise myself if I have to, Nintendo), but it doesn't change how good the game is and how long we've been missing out on games like this for almost two gens and a decade. Hard, but fair, levels full of fun action and lots of them and great usage of the fact that this is a much more powerful system than those were. But please... NO MORE ROCKET BARRELS.
9. Deadly Premonition
The first survival horror (and technically open world!) game I've ever finished. Why? Because of several things. The story was engaging, non-intrusive, and wasn't movie like. The characters were all well defined and great to be around. The controls were not tank controls (so I could play it!) and the action took a back seat to survival and exploration which is what always intrigued me about the genre. The game was not perfect, as anyone who played it can attest to, but the whole experience adds up to a completely unique experience that has yet to be duplicated.
8. Left 4 Dead 2
I grew up in the age of co-op. My friends would come over (or I would visit them) and we'd team up to take on challenges we just couldn't do on our own. Unfortunately, co-op fell to the side in the 64 bit era to party gaming multiplayer and my co-op game play seemed lost forever. It wasn't until this gen that the magic of co-op was revisited and my friends and I could work together to accomplish goals and have a very different gaming experience. This series is the main reason. I'm not, nor will I ever, really like the whole zombie thing, but the monsters used in this game are effective and always manage to keep you on your toes. The first game was fun, but the sequel turned the game into more of a survival horror experience with more emphasis on keeping yourself alive with many more options than just shooting. Easily Valve's best game.
7. Henry Hatsworth In The Puzzling Adventure
The difficulty is disjointed, there's too many enemy rooms, and it's a bit short, but it is probably the most unique new platformer released this whole gen. There's no goofy pretentious story to distract you from boring gameplay, or overrated visual style to distract you from shallow gameplay and level design, there's a completely unique game waiting for you instead. Part puzzle game, part platformer, with some great and fun level design and tight controls lead this to be one of the ebst ideas this whole gen. Unfortunately, no one bought it, the team has since broke up (they have recently made the equally underrated Monster Tale for the DS, however), and EA doesn't seem interested in portables anymore which means we'll probably never get a proper sequel. However, this was easily the best new IP we've had this entire gen and I'm glad I got to experience it, warts and all.
6. Phoenix Wright
Fun adventure games with a text adventure bent. Unfortunately, replay value is a little shaky, but the series is perfect for portable systems leading to a perfect pocket adventure to distract you from the bigger HD blockbusters. The first was a great introduction to the genre and series, but unfortunately, the series Achilles heel (replayability) hurts it just enough to not put it higher.
5. Kirby's Return To Dreamland
The return of the king, really. What do you get when you combine Kirby Superstar's crazy experiments with Adventures straightforward approach? You get quite possibly the best Kirby game. Really, there is nothing it doesn't do better than about every other game in the series. Powers? Leagues ahead of Adventure and probably the most expansive yet. Levels? More consistent than Superstar for the most part, with plenty of secrets to keep you busy. Difficulty? It's the hardest Kirby game by far. This game has everything. Even 4 player co-op and playable Meta Knight and DeDeDe and some cool little party games as unlockables. All things aside, this is probably the BEST Kirby game. It might even beat Superstar.
4. Contra 4
Let's rock! There might have been a ton of Contra games between 3 and this one, but this legitimately feels like a true follow up to that great game and almost on par with the original NES classic. A lot of heart and soul went into this one, and anyone who calls themselves a true Contra fan simply can't pass it up. Now, how about a Castlevania 5?
3. Mega Man 9
This came out of nowhere. Easily the most unexpected gem of the gen. Who would have thought after all these years that we'd get a Mega Man 9 it would be as good as the series peak (2 and 3)? Nobody, that's for sure. Yet somehow, I'm sitting here declaring Mega Man 9 a classic after over a decade of silence from the classic series long thought to be dead. Life can be strange sometimes, no?
2. Sonic Colors (Wii)
Okay, forget what I said about Mega Man 9, THIS came out of nowhere. Sonic Colors was announced and no one cared. Everyone was focused on Sonic 4 and the "return of the series" to it former glory. But somehow, slowly, as info trickled out and E3 showed us some gameplay... Sonic Colors started turning a few heads. Then Sweet Mountain and Planet Wisp were revealed and all of a sudden Colors looked... good. No- great. The game had alternate paths everywhere, unique puzzles and exploration based around the (optional!) new power ups called Wisps. But more than just that, everything else looked great too. The story looked fun again, the music was the best in well over a decade, and there was even a new voice cast! While Sonic 4 was looking less and less like the franchise saver everyone wanted, Sonic Colors was looking to be the best Sonic game since the adventure games. Then the reviews came out, and it was real. Sonic Colors was the best Sonic game since the Adventure games, to some the best since the 2D classics since it incorporated much of what people loved about them and still included the things people loved about the 3D ones. Honestly, while Generations is probably the better game on a pure quality level, Colors has the better experience offering more content, lots of highs, and pretty much few to little lows.
1. New Super Mario Bros Wii
Wow! This one stunned me. The DS game was probably the most average Mario game ever made and yet... I couldn't help but be excited for the Wii game. 4 person co-op combining party game and traditional co-op multiplayer and stages that had Miyamoto and company involved (they had nothing to do with the DS one) lead this to finally be the Super Mario Bros 5 that I had always wanted and had been waiting for since the SNES. And the game somehow lived up to my lofty expectations! The levels had tons of routes and levels, great design, well placed secrets, and the best boss battles since Yoshi's Island (they should have had more hits, though) make this one of the best Mario games without a shadow of a doubt. Featuring almost 80 levels, multiple ways to play through them and difficulty on par with SMB3 and World lead this to be one of the best games in the series and the best game this gen. Hopefully we won't have to wait another decade for another 2D Mario game.
It really is crazy how good Paper Mario 2 and Curse Of Monkey Island still look despite releasing such a while ago.
I really wish they would rerelease Curse as I have yet to play it and love the original. (I actually didn't like LeChuck's Revenge all that much... Don't hurt me)
My top 10 would be almost exactly the same as it was when I posted it a few months ago, with the one exception of Resident Evil 4 being my new #6 and everything else before it being bumped down a spot on my list. That's really all that's changed, though. That said, I do think that Rocket Knight Adventures gives MMX a run for its money, but I still have yet to beat the final boss, and to be fair I haven't had ample time to replay RKA, so I think MMX might still prevail by a tad bit in the replay department.
Since we all love arbitrary lists here, this is my current top 25:
25. House of the Dead: Overkill
24. Donkey Kong Country Returns (yes, this is my favorite game in the series)
23. Thief 2
22. Painkiller
21. Super Mario World
20. Jak 2
19. Resident Evil 4
18. Super Mario Bros. 3
17. Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal
16. Fatal Frame 2
15. Streets of Rage 2
14. Sonic 3 & Knuckles
13. Resident Evil 2
12. Metal Slug 3
11. StarCraft
10. Max Payne
9. Bayonetta
8. Yakuza 2
7. Resident Evil (remake)
6. Ninja Gaiden (Xbox/PS3)
5. F.E.A.R.
4. Deus Ex: Human Revolution
3. Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando
2. Deus Ex
1. God Hand
Ah, always good to see you have Max Payne instead of Max Payne 2 and Metal Slug 3 instead of 2 on your list.
I thought you liked Max Payne 2 more than the first one. :o
Quote from: Foggle on February 19, 2012, 11:20:34 AM
19. Resident Evil 4
Didn't think I'd see this below REmake and RE2.
My list is overall the same. But stick Star Fox 64 and Twilight Princess somewhere in there.
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Quote from: Foggle on February 19, 2012, 11:20:34 AM
19. Resident Evil 4
Didn't think I'd see this below REmake and RE2.
I've ranked the three in that order for quite some time now. :SHOCK:
Quote from: Foggle on February 19, 2012, 11:42:11 AM
I thought you liked Max Payne 2 more than the first one. :o
....I don't think I talked to you that long ago. I changed my opinion on that years ago. Let's see...6, going on 7 years ago when my oldest little brother downloaded Max Payne 1 on the only competent PC we've ever had. Max Payne 2 gets the medal of honor for having the absolute best console shooter controls ever (still irked that 3 will only have to weapons since the first two games handled weapon swapping perfectly) and the Bullettime system/infinite shootdodges makes me drool but MP being such a better experience makes it beat the 2nd for me. And your ass was supposed to play Metal Slug 2 on Gametap with me. :anger:
Oh, I guess I forgot to tell you. GameTap fucked up some internet settings on my computer (not really sure how...) so I was forced to delete it to fix things. :-X
Quote from: Foggle on February 19, 2012, 11:56:36 AM
Oh, I guess I forgot to tell you. GameTap fucked up some internet settings on my computer (not really sure how...) so I was forced to delete it to fix things. :-X
No point in explaining now, I moved on. ::)
Quote from: Foggle on February 19, 2012, 11:51:32 AM
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19. Resident Evil 4
Didn't think I'd see this below REmake and RE2.
I've ranked the three in that order for quite some time now. :SHOCK:
That means I need to be around here more. :P
Not a single Contra game! FAIL LIST IS-oh I'm kidding it's a pretty good list.
Though honestly, if Yakuza 1 had a Japanese option (not to hate on Mark Hamill, though) and a fighting system as good as the later games, it would easily be the better game of the first two in my eyes. as it is, it's great.
As for arbitrary lists, here's my list of best games last gen:
30. Gunbird 2
29. Virtual On: OT
28. Valkyrie Profile 2 (Who doesn't love 2D platforming and crazy action gameplay? Never mind in an RPG!)
27. Dynamite Cop!
26. Shenmue
25. Tech Romancer
24. Legend Of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures (ingenious co-op)
23. Contra: Shattered Soldier
22. Cannon Spike
21. Sonic Adventure
20. Project Justice
19. Twisted Metal Black
18. Soul Calibur 2
17. Garou: Mark Of The Wolves
16. Klonoa 2
15. Chu Chu Rocket!
14. The Red Star
13. Yakuza 2
12. Power Stone 2
11. Jak & Daxter
10. Halo: Combat Evolved
9. Viewtiful Joe (Kamiya's best game)
8. Sly Cooper & The Thevius Raccoonus
7. OutRun 2 (and it's many spinoffs)
6. Jet Grind Radio
5. Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal
4. Super Monkey Ball
3. Legend Of Zelda: Wind Waker (It's still my most favorite 3D Zelda for all the exploration)
2. Maximo: Ghosts To Glory
1. Mario Kart: Double Dash!!
On another note, the Dreamcast is still getting games. GunLord is coming out next month in Europe (and is region free) and looks awesome:
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19. Resident Evil 4
Didn't think I'd see this below REmake and RE2.
I've ranked the three in that order for quite some time now. :SHOCK:
I thought you liked Metal Slug X and XX more than 3?
The DreasmCast is what?!
Also, what the hell is Gunbird 2, Cannon Spike and Project Justice.
I'm surprised to see no Mario 3 on your list (I swear it was no. 1 last time) and I didn't know Contra Shattered Soldier was your favorite in the series with how much you hated it being too much of a bossorama.
Quote from: gunswordfist on February 19, 2012, 12:25:38 PMAlso, what the hell is Gunbird 2, Cannon Spike and Project Justice.
Gunbird 2 is a vertical shmup on the Dreamcast, Cannon Spike is an arcade shooter on the Dreamcast, and Prject Justice is the sequel to Rival Schools and was only released here on the Dreamcast.
Quote from: gunswordfist on February 19, 2012, 12:25:38 PMI'm surprised to see no Mario 3 on your list (I swear it was no. 1 last time) and I didn't know Contra Shattered Soldier was your favorite in the series with how much you hated it being too much of a bossorama.
Oh, this list was just for last gen. Shattered Soldier was not perfect, but it was a good game. It just needed more levels and less bosses to take up all the playtime.
Oh, I need to start ignoring parts of your posts. I might make a last gen list.
Awesome lists, Foggle and Desen/Spark. Both of you have games that I of course still have to try, but overall they were both well put-together lists. I'm actually surprised that Halo made it into your top 10, though, Desen, even if it is just a library list. I mean, I know you like it but wasn't sure of your standing on it relative to other games you owned from last gen. That's not to say that I dislike that placing at all, as its easily my personal favorite FPS from last gen along with maybe TimeSplitters 2.
I may put together my own list based on my own library, but I'll have to go back home and look up what I have in my collection since I don't even remember what the hell I own from previous generations. :P
................ I FORGOT TIMESPLITTERS! Ugh!
I knew I was missing something! But yeah, Halo and Timesplitters 2/3 were my favorite FPSs from last gen. I really hope Crytek lets the Free Radical team make a new one sometime soon like they hinted at.
I thought you liked F.E.A.R. more than TimeSplitters 2 ensatsuken?
Yeah, that's true, I just keep mixing things up and forgetting that F.E.A.R. is a last-gen game. It came out at such a border-line time that I sometimes think its a current-gen game even though I said its a last-gen game numerous times. In that regard, its easily my favorite FPS of last-gen, though Halo isn't too far behind, nor is TimeSplitters.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on February 19, 2012, 12:16:29 PM
Not a single Contra game! FAIL LIST IS-oh I'm kidding it's a pretty good list.
Love Contra, but I definitely prefer Metal Slug. My top 50 features a lot of the other Metal Slugs and a few Contras. ;)
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on February 19, 2012, 12:23:40 PM
I thought you liked Metal Slug X and XX more than 3?
I don't think I ever preferred XX. I used to like X more, but I think 3 holds up better. For reference, my favorites are 3, X, XX, and 1, in that order.
How would you rate Gunforce 2 with them? ;)
I agree with that. The first 3 Metal Slugs (with the X version of 2) are excellent.
If I had to rank all these similar-type games (that I've played):
Metal Slug 3
Metal Slug X (2)
Contra 4
GunForce 2
Metal Slug XX (7)
Contra: Hard Corps
Sunset Riders
Contra 3
Contra
Metal Slug
GunForce
Cyber-Lip
Metal Slug 6
Metal Slug 4
Super C
Metal Slug 5
Quote from: Foggle on February 19, 2012, 01:54:37 PM
If I had to rank all these similar-type games (that I've played):
Metal Slug 3
Metal Slug X (2)
Contra 4
GunForce 2
Metal Slug XX (7)
Contra: Hard Corps
Contra 3
Contra
Metal Slug
GunForce
Cyber-Lip
Metal Slug 6
Metal Slug 4
Super C
Metal Slug 5
Man, whatever you do, don't play the arcade versions of Contra or Super C, they really don't stack up. Though you might dig Shattered Soldier.
Have you played the Turrican games? There are quite a few of them and they feel almost like Metroid (with less exploration, obviously) meets Contra (with more platforming) and are usually very good games. I haven't played the Amiga versions of the first 3 games, but the SNES Super Turrican and Super Turrican 2 are awesome, as well as the Genesis Mega Turrican. The NES Turrican isn't have bad either.
Ah, yeah, forgot about Shattered Soldier. I'd probably put that between Contra and Metal Slug. Also, I edited Sunset Riders into my list before you posted. ;)
Contra meets Metroid with more platforming!? Why the hell haven't I heard about this series?!
Quote from: Foggle on February 19, 2012, 02:06:05 PM
Ah, yeah, forgot about Shattered Soldier. I'd probably put that between Contra and Metal Slug. Also, I edited Sunset Riders into my list before you posted. ;)
Contra meets Metroid with more platforming!? Why the hell haven't I heard about this series?!
I wish he told me that when I asked what the game was like last week.
Also, thanks for showing Hard Corps some love.
Sunset Riders is the best arcade game ever.
Quote from: Foggle on February 19, 2012, 02:06:05 PMContra meets Metroid with more platforming!? Why the hell haven't I heard about this series?!
It's been unfortunately dead since the N64/PS1/Saturn era. But everysystem before them except the Master System had a Turrican game or two and they were great.
Also:
The (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6gW975XDwA)
Epic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8laT12p_Mo)
Soundtrack (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-R4__HrwhI&feature=related)Seriously, one of the best soundtracks EVER. This series needs a return.
To elaborate, it sort of feels like Metroid in the way it controls, but it's level based like Contra and has more platforming as well as weapon pick ups (not as insane as things like homing missiles or spread guns, but they're noticeable) and the games are pretty difficult.
The SNES and Genesis games are on the virtual console, too, so they're pretty accessible. Now if only they could get the Amiga on there so I could play the original 3, and put the NES one up as well, the entire series would be there.
I've found the best Metal Slug game!
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi44.tinypic.com%2Fvq7hc3.jpg&hash=aad23262da45007d09dc9e4c4101650e69515b61)
God, my nose is bleeding from nostalgia.
So I'm almost done with my complete Resident Evil playthrough. About halfway through RE 4 right now. I love this game so much. I seriously think it might be the pinnacle of the action-adventure genre. It's like Indiana Jones meets James Bond in a horror scenario, which is just totally awesome. Also, "your right hand comes off?" may very well be the greatest line in video game history.
Its definitely one of the best action adventure games that I have ever played. It has everything going for it, from atmosphere and enriched exploration to intense action and cheesy dialogue. :sly:
If I had to criticize the game for anything, its probably that its just a little bit too easy. I know it has a professional mode, but once you start resorting back to the tried and true strategy of backing up to a corner and then blasting away enemies as they come close to you with a shotgun or well-placed head-shots, the difficulty barely feels any different from Normal mode. That said there is still tons of replay value in the game and its pretty much always fun to play. There aren't any parts of the game that I dread or downright hate playing through.
What's weird is that the difficulty in the Wii/360/PS3 versions is actually toned down from the GameCube, PS2, and PC. I don't know if Capcom ever confirmed this, but it's a widely recognized fact by most RE fans. I played the game many times on the PS2, and it was actually pretty tough on Normal mode. The Wii version and HD ports (which are based off of the Wii release) are a lot easier for some reason. But there's still a decent level of challenge, so the game never gets boring.
I just love the amount of creativity and effort that was put into it. I'm also liable to give any game bonus points for including a mine cart level. :lol:
Have you gotten to play Separate Ways or Mercenaries yet? The former is a very fun little mission pack while the latter is addicting and surprisingly meaty.
So far I haven't had time for either. Well, I did have time to play Separate Ways during my winter break, but since it kept freezing on me I have to yet again delete and re-download the game to get it to work properly. Anyways, I'll delve more into the game during my spring break in a couple of weeks, but for the time being I'm swamped with studying for exams. Honestly, the amount of shit that my school throws at students in their professional years can seem almost inhuman at times. I mean, I'm practically a slave to the school since my entire daily schedule involves me either being in classes, working on a paper or assignment, or studying my ass off. If I make it through this semester I'll still have another year of this to put up with, too....:whuh:
People have suspected the Wii version is easier than the GC one? How so?
I have extensively played both the PS2 and Wii versions, and this is what I've noticed:
Enemies take less hits to kill. This includes basically every enemy type except Regenerators/Iron Maidens and Novistadors. Bosses are mostly the same as they were in past versions, but El Gigantes seem to be a bit easier. It's not really a dramatic change, but it definitely makes things less intense in some of the more difficult areas.
Enemies are more likely to drop ammo when you're running low. You're not going to be swimming in bullets or anything, but you will usually have more than in the GC and PS2 versions. This is helped along by the enemies dying more quickly.
The knife aims and slices much faster.
I was exaggerating when I said "a lot" easier, but the newer ports are slightly toned down for some reason. It's not really a big deal, though. The challenge is still there, and the game is still harder than RE 5.
Quote from: Foggle on February 21, 2012, 06:08:34 PMand the game is still harder than RE 5.
You think so? I actually remember RE5 being harder.
From what I've played of RE5, I consider it to be harder on single-player mode, only because Sheva's AI is so ridiculously incompetent that you can't trust her with anything except for healing items (and even then she's prone to waste them if she damages herself a lot), and because from what I've experienced she tends to get herself killed a lot more than you do, but since this is one of those games in which if your partner dies its instant game over, you're pretty much shit out of luck if you don't have a competent 2nd player to control Sheva for you.
As for RE4, I've read somewhere that the Wii and HD versions of the game have certain differences from the GC and PS2 versions of the game. For one thing, certain enemy placements in certain areas of the game a little bit different. Its not frequent or anything, but I did read about one or 2 instances in which an enemy which was supposed to appear in one area in the GC version of the game did not appear in the updated Wii version in that area, and other minor stuff along those lines could be noted throughout each respective version of the game in comparison to each other.
Another difference that I read about was that weapon upgrade statistics differed between some versions of the game. For example, from what I've read, in the original GC version of the game I read that the max damage at the level cap for the Red 9 was somewhere around 4 or 4.5 in the damage rating (even after getting the exclusive upgrade), but in the HD version that I played it was at 6.5, which of course made it a massively overpowered weapon (though, to be fair, I didn't manage to upgrade it that far into close to the end of the game, anyways). Maybe I might be mistaken in this particular case, but I did definitely read somewhere that other statistical changes could be noted with various different weapons between different versions of the game, and it seems to be that the Wii and HD versions of the game got increased stats in some cases which may have contributed to them being a little bit easier than the previous versions of the game (since of course with higher damage ratings and such, enemies would take significantly less hits to put down).
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on February 21, 2012, 06:39:26 PM
From what I've played of RE5, I consider it to be harder on single-player mode, only because Sheva's AI is so ridiculously incompetent that you can't trust her with anything except for healing items (and even then she's prone to waste them if she damages herself a lot), and because from what I've experienced she tends to get herself killed a lot more than you do, but since this is one of those games in which if your partner dies its instant game over, you're pretty much shit out of luck if you don't have a competent 2nd player to control Sheva for you.
True, but I was mostly referring to coop, since the single player in that game is a disaster. :P
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on February 21, 2012, 06:39:26 PM
As for RE4, I've read somewhere that the Wii and HD versions of the game have certain differences from the GC and PS2 versions of the game. For one thing, certain enemy placements in certain areas of the game a little bit different. Its not frequent or anything, but I did read about one or 2 instances in which an enemy which was supposed to appear in one area in the GC version of the game did not appear in the updated Wii version in that area, and other minor stuff along those lines could be noted throughout each respective version of the game in comparison to each other.
Another difference that I read about was that weapon upgrade statistics differed between some versions of the game. For example, from what I've read, in the original GC version of the game I read that the max damage at the level cap for the Red 9 was somewhere around 4 or 4.5 in the damage rating (even after getting the exclusive upgrade), but in the HD version that I played it was at 6.5, which of course made it a massively overpowered weapon (though, to be fair, I didn't manage to upgrade it that far into close to the end of the game, anyways). Maybe I might be mistaken in this particular case, but I did definitely read somewhere that other statistical changes could be noted with various different weapons between different versions of the game, and it seems to be that the Wii and HD versions of the game got increased stats in some cases which may have contributed to them being a little bit easier than the previous versions of the game (since of course with higher damage ratings and such, enemies would take significantly less hits to put down).
Yeah, that's better than I remember the Red9 getting.
Though I'm sure none of that hurts the quality of the game. ;)
Quote from: talonmalon333 on February 21, 2012, 06:27:27 PM
You think so? I actually remember RE5 being harder.
RE 5 is certainly more intense, but aside from a couple of infuriating moments -- one being the dogs attacking you at the train yard early in the game, the other being MASH THE A/X BUTTON TO RIP THE DEVICE OFF -- I hardly ever died. This is comparing Normal modes, btw. Professional in RE 5 is much harder than 4's.
Quote from: talonmalon333 on February 21, 2012, 06:56:35 PM
Though I'm sure none of that hurts the quality of the game. ;)
Yeah, like I said, the game is
slightly easier, but not enough to affect the quality of the game.
Little Samson is such a good game. I really wish they would release it on the VC.
4 different characters that all play differently and have different strengths/weaknesses, 2 difficulty levels that change the level progression structure, lots of platforming, branching paths on the higher difficulty, lots of challenge, and it almost looks and sounds like a SNES game.
It's such a shame that it apparently bombed when it came out, because it's easily one of the best games on the NES.
I need to get Little Samson again. Definitely one of the best NES platformers.
So what would you guys say are "perfect games", games that you don't really see anything in them that you would change even in advances in technology or whatever? Obviously EK would say Ninja Gaiden Black, Foggle would say Deus Ex, gsf would say Astro Boy GBA, and talon would say Majora's Mask, (and Avaitor and I would say Super Mario Bros. 3) but I mean more than one game! :P
Basically a game you can just pop in and have no problems or quibbles with, something (if time allowed) you would just play through 100 times in a sitting. Something you always come back to.
How many games do you have like that?
A shitload. :lol:
Deus Ex 1 & 3 (as you said)
Ratchet & Clank 2 & 3
God Hand
F.E.A.R., Extraction Point, F.E.A.R. 2
Super Mario Bros., Mario 3, Mario World, Yoshi's Island, New SMB Wii, Mario Galaxy 2
Fatal Frame 2-4
Sonic 3 & Knuckles
Devil May Cry 3
Ninja Gaiden (Xbox/PS3)
Bayonetta
Max Payne 1 & 2
MadWorld
Metal Slug X, 3, XX
Link To The Past, Link's Awakening, Ocarina Of Time, Majora's Mask (Wind Waker is my favorite overall, but it's not perfect like these are IMO)
Persona 2: Innocent Sin
Planescape: Torment (though the fact that it's far better with mods might disqualify it from being on this list...)
Resident Evil [Remake] (does this count since it's a remake?), RE 4
Yakuza 2-4
Metal Gear Solid, MGS 3
Thief 2: The Metal Age
Hitman: Blood Money
Serious Sam First & Second Encounters, Serious Sam 3: BFE
Painkiller
Silent Hill 2, 3 (the bad voice acting in 2 is part of the charm ;) )
Doom 1, 2
Duke Nukem 3D
Super Metroid, Zero Mission
I think that's everything. ;D
I might actually sooner say Twilight Princess over Majora's Mask, just cause that game mastered the series formula so perfectly. That might sound contradictory cause I like MM slightly better. But this is how I look at it: if TP is Zelda at it's best, MM is Zelda on drugs. :P
DOOM II is still the most perfect FPS to me. While there are a few I like better (like Perfect Dark and the new GoldenEye), it is probably the only one where I wouldn't really change a thing about it.
Also, while I love Super Metroid... I would absolutely change the wall jumping. I hate wall jumping in that game. But I have no issue with Fusion or Zero Mission.
Sidescrolling action games like the Contra and Metal Slug series are hard for me to rate. Contra NES, Gunstar Heroes, and Metal Slug 3 are practically perfect to me. Metal Slug X improves over 2 in pretty much every fashion, so that might make it for me too. The same with Contra 4. I'd also list Jackal NES, despite being overhead instead of sidescrolling, the game is brilliant.
Mario and Sonic games... Well, I'll just list them:
Super Mario Bros. 2 (USA)
Super Mario Bros. 3
Yoshi's Island
New Super Mario Bros. Wii
Super Mario Galaxy 2
Sonic The Hedgehog (8-bit)
Sonic The Hedgehog (I could say Labyrinth, but I've now accepted it for what it is, and it no longer bothers me)
Sonic The Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles
Basically those.
But since I could list platformers all day, let me just list the ones I consider basically flawless for what they're doing:
Duck Tales
Chip n' Dale Rescue Rangers
Ninja Gaiden II
Little Samson
Rockin' Kats
Mega Man 3
Shinobi 3 (I would have said the hanging controls, but I learned how to jump with them, so it's fine)
World Of Illusion Staring Mickey & Donald
Kirby Super Star
Mega Man X
Super Castlevania 4
Tomba! (Unless being able to actually purchase it is a fault... in which case it's off! :P)
Goemon's Great Adventure
Maximo: Ghosts To Glory
Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal
Kirby's Return To Dreamland
I actually listed a lot more than I thought I would. I would consider those pretty perfect.
I think I'd give to edge to F.E.A.R. 1 and Duke Nukem 3D, but yeah, Doom 1 & 2 are brilliant masterpieces.
Never had a problem with Super Metroid's wall-jumping, really. Don't have any issue with RE's tank controls, either. Everything I listed I'd consider absolutely perfect (I guess I'm easy to please :P), which is why a lot of my other favorites like No More Heroes and Jak 2 are nowhere to be seen.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on March 21, 2012, 06:50:13 PM
Sonic The Hedgehog (I could say Labyrinth, but I've now accepted it for what it is, and it no longer bothers me)
I fucking hate Spring Yard. Labyrinth is fine. Spring Yard can go die in a fire. Rest of the game is excellent, including Labyrinth, IMO.
WHAT?!?
I LOVE SPRING YARD! It's one of my favorite Sonic levels! It has some great paths, good platforming, and lots of steep hills for rolling. The boss is a bit of a joke compared to pretty much every other boss in the game, but I still like it. Really, I love that level! I can't believe you hate it!
As for the wall jumping, I can rarely ever get it to work half the time. I usually get stuck in the first wall jumping section because I have to re-adapt to it all over again when playing it. Other than that, it absolutely rules.
Oh yeah, I'd also list every 2D Zelda after the NES made by Nnitendo up to the DS.
I just... I don't know. I don't find it fun at all. The problems I have with it are pretty similar to the problems most people have with Labyrinth, really. I don't like the level design, the enemy placement, the enemies themselves, or the music. I've never been able to derive enjoyment from that zone.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on March 21, 2012, 05:55:00 PM
So what would you guys say are "perfect games", games that you don't really see anything in them that you would change even in advances in technology or whatever? Obviously EK would say Ninja Gaiden Black, Foggle would say Deus Ex, gsf would say Astro Boy GBA, and talon would say Majora's Mask, (and Avaitor and I would say Super Mario Bros. 3) but I mean more than one game! :P
Basically a game you can just pop in and have no problems or quibbles with, something (if time allowed) you would just play through 100 times in a sitting. Something you always come back to.
How many games do you have like that?
Hmmm, I don't think I have any games that I can play multiple times in a row because I seem to be OCD or whatever but Astro Boy Omega Factor seems to come the closest when it comes to be perfect in all areas. Did I mention how much I love how shocking the first ending is (could be my absolute favorite one) and how ingenious it is for Treasure to have meeting characters for the first time give you a point to boost youe stats? God, I love that. Aaannnddd I actually was just reminded that the game's a shoot em up/beat em up. Ah yes, perfect.
I'm honestly not that big on replay value. It's either I wish I could just replay a game right after I beat it but I'm almost never compelled too or maybe developers aren't doing enough for me. :sly:
I think I do have my game that really fits this description though. Metal Slug 3. Just plain perfect. I can see myself playing the game over and over again just for the zombie level. I have yet to play Metal Slug X so I can't speak for 2 yet because of the framerate drops but hot damn did I fall in love with that game from playing it online gametap and going through the lab level.
:'( Well, that's fine. Wouldn't you have listed Resident Evil 4?
Oh yeah, a few more I missed:
Klonoa Wii
Rocket Knight Adventures
Mega Man 9
Donkey Kong Country 2
Ristar
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on March 21, 2012, 05:55:00 PM
So what would you guys say are "perfect games"
Actually, to be honest, there isn't a single game in the world that I see as "perfect." Don't get me wrong, the games that I love the most are great and I would never want them to be changed (including minor flaws that, honestly, I have come to think as a part of the games that I love in general and kind of just deal with), but that isn't to say that any of them are perfect. I can admit plenty of little flaws for my favorite games, but the main point is that to me, they are only "little" flaws. In the grand scheme of things they really do nothing to bother me. For example, Ninja Gaiden Black is my favorite game ever, but it has a camera that can "sometimes" (people really over exaggerate the camera's problems, though, which are barely even noticeable in the first game) be off-center and cause you a little annoyance, and the platforming segments kind of suck since the controls aren't meant for great platforming, but both of those types of instances happen so rarely and infrequently in the game that in the long run it does basically nothing to hamper my overall enjoyment of the game.
Having said that, out of all of the games on my top 10 favorites list, I'd actually say that Yoshi's Island (my 3rd favorite game of all-time) is the closest to being a perfect game. Honestly there are no real flaws that I can see with the game, except for Mario's annoying crying and the fact that it is admittedly a really easy game (but its just so much fun and has tons of secrets and overall replay value to make up for that). Of course, if its the closest to being perfect you may wonder why its not my favorite game of all-time and just in my top 3 instead, and that's because honestly while both NGB and OoT have their definite negatives, each of those games honestly reach such high-points that for me, personally, few to no other games have ever even come close to matching for me.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on March 21, 2012, 07:23:50 PM
:'( Well, that's fine. Wouldn't you have listed Resident Evil 4?
It's next to REmake on my list. Kind of hard to see due to the parenthetical statement, though. :P
It's been years since I've played Sonic 1 to completion, and I... uh... actually got Labyrinth confused with Marble Zone, which a lot of people also seem to hate for some reason. I forgot about Labyrinth Zone entirely, but after watching gameplay videos, I remembered that I loathe it. One of the worst levels in any 2D Sonic game.
I probably only hate Spring Yard for the same reason that I hated Planet Wisp Act 1 in Generations at first; I'm bad at the game and always get stuck on the worst possible path. :P
Oh, not to interrupt, but there's an Iwata Asks on Spirit Camera (Fatal Frame 3DS) (http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=174117) currently up.
I can see your point, EK. While nothing is really perfect, there are games that I can go into and just don't really see problems or issues that hamper any enjoyment for me. Obviously for me, I'm more likely to notice problems in a 3D game before a 2D one since I'm weird like that, but it makes me appreciate the 3D ones all the more when it really clicks with me.
I also love Planet Wisp Act 1. :cop:
Cool,
time to watch that video! EDIT: Don't know why I thought it'd be a video...
I love Fatal Frame, as you know. ;)
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on March 21, 2012, 07:34:00 PM
I also love Planet Wisp Act 1. :cop:
So do I, now that I've actually figured out how to play it properly...
I think the idea of an AR horror game is absolutely brilliant. It probably won't be too scary, but it'll definitely be surreal and trippy as hell. Fatal Frame is the best horror series ever.
I'm really interested in Spirit Camera, and am glad they decided to make a new game instead of porting the older games... But I'm also interested in Rhythm Thief and Kid Icarus! :sweat: The 3DS is starting to heat up!
I notice a lot of people tend to hate Planet Wisp Act 1 even after mastering it, which is a shame. I mean, it has no bottomless pits which is incredible for a last level yet remains challenging, and there's a LOT of level. But I do agree that there's too much Spike wisp when in Colors, the wisps were completely optional for the most part. I want more 2D Sonic games by this team!
I'm glad Iwata shot down the idea of porting a past FF to the 3DS. It'd be pointless.
I'm pretty bummed out about the next home console Fatal Frame game being a Wii port of 2. In all honesty, the PS2 games had much better controls than 4...
So while I wait for the 3DS version of Rayman Origins to come out some time this decade (thanks again, Ubisoft!) I've been playing it co-op with my friend on his 360.
The game is pretty awesome and a lot of fun (WAY better than Rayman 1) but the ice levels are AWFUL. Some of the worst traction in a platformer ever, and jumps are way too finicky and hard to control. Such a blight on an otherwise excellent platformer.
There is a bot in Kid Icarus multiplayer called "bots4ever"
Nintendo <3
Man, I wish they would stop remaking Double Dragon 1. The game was perfected with Double Dragon Advance.
It's the NES version of 2 that deserves the remake love. Especially for having one of the best game soundtracks ever (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3TOSZkwobA&feature=relmfu), yet being so overlooked.
It was such a letdown to see that WayForward game. Sprite detail like Contra 4, Double Dragon Advance's combat, and NES 2's great levels had a ton of potential.
I just beat Shinobi III once again cementing it as one of my favorites. I managed to make it up to the final boss only dying about 4 times (all my fault), and the game is just perfectly balanced.
A few things that you need to keep in mind with this game:
1. You can double jump only just as you fall from the peak of your first jump.
2. If you do not learn when to wall jump, you will not get through certain levels without a lot of trial and error.
3. You should never use Ninjitsu unless you're absolutely certain you're gong to die. Don't waste it.
4. Pushing attack when you run initiates a Katana slash and you will instantly dodge any attack during this move (but if you run into an enemy with your body they will knock you out of it... You won't be hurt, though)
5. Pushing down and attack in the air gives you an awesome jump kick.
Those 5 things will make the game much more manageable when you know what you can and can't do.
A neat tidbit: In the options, choose 00 shurikens, then play the sound effect for a shuriken. You will have infinite shurikens.
The Contra series is 25 years old.
Will Konami finally reveal that Contra game they teased over 2 years ago? Will we finally see that 3DS game? Or will we get absolutely nothing?
It's always a gamble with Konami.
Kart Racers:
Mario Kart: Double Dash!!
Diddy Kong Racing
Crash Team Racing
Super Mario Kart
Sonic & Sega All Stars Racing
IMO, the best in the genre.
After playing OoT 3D, I really realized just how much later Zelda games like to stall. You know, the way WW, TP, and especially SS like to throw fetch quests at you for no real reason other than to extend game length? I really appreciate how OoT has none of that. It just gets to the point, and is done. MM did this equally well, but after that... I'm not totally sure why they started to think it was necessary. A 25 hr game beats a 40 hr game that's loaded with fluff.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 18, 2012, 12:23:02 PM
Kart Racers:
Mario Kart: Double Dash!!
Diddy Kong Racing
Crash Team Racing
Super Mario Kart
Sonic & Sega All Stars Racing
IMO, the best in the genre.
Crash Team Racing is my favorite. I never played Double Dash or Diddy Kong.
Quote from: gunswordfist on May 18, 2012, 01:05:20 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 18, 2012, 12:23:02 PM
Kart Racers:
Mario Kart: Double Dash!!
Diddy Kong Racing
Crash Team Racing
Super Mario Kart
Sonic & Sega All Stars Racing
IMO, the best in the genre.
Crash Team Racing is my favorite. I never played Double Dash or Diddy Kong.
If you like CTR, you'll probably like DKR. They share a lot of similarities. The soundtracks to these games are great too.
Diddy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODUOBq92IxA&feature=relmfu) Kong (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8boRM6xRXg) Racing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17Q9BJTxPlo&feature=relmfu)
Sonic & Sega (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj8vDYyEe_M) All Stars (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgL0TmZrGSs&feature=relmfu) Racing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt4PH4WdzgU&feature=relmfu)
And you know the rest. I wish we had more good games in this genre.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 18, 2012, 02:06:34 PM
Quote from: gunswordfist on May 18, 2012, 01:05:20 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 18, 2012, 12:23:02 PM
Kart Racers:
Mario Kart: Double Dash!!
Diddy Kong Racing
Crash Team Racing
Super Mario Kart
Sonic & Sega All Stars Racing
IMO, the best in the genre.
Crash Team Racing is my favorite. I never played Double Dash or Diddy Kong.
If you like CTR, you'll probably like DKR. They share a lot of similarities. The soundtracks to these games are great too.
Diddy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODUOBq92IxA&feature=relmfu) Kong (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8boRM6xRXg) Racing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17Q9BJTxPlo&feature=relmfu)
Sonic & Sega (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj8vDYyEe_M) All Stars (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgL0TmZrGSs&feature=relmfu) Racing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt4PH4WdzgU&feature=relmfu)
And you know the rest. I wish we had more good games in this genre.
Once I think about it, I've only played CTR on that list.
Quote from: gunswordfist on May 23, 2012, 01:36:17 AM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 18, 2012, 02:06:34 PM
Quote from: gunswordfist on May 18, 2012, 01:05:20 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 18, 2012, 12:23:02 PM
Kart Racers:
Mario Kart: Double Dash!!
Diddy Kong Racing
Crash Team Racing
Super Mario Kart
Sonic & Sega All Stars Racing
IMO, the best in the genre.
Crash Team Racing is my favorite. I never played Double Dash or Diddy Kong.
If you like CTR, you'll probably like DKR. They share a lot of similarities. The soundtracks to these games are great too.
Diddy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODUOBq92IxA&feature=relmfu) Kong (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8boRM6xRXg) Racing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17Q9BJTxPlo&feature=relmfu)
Sonic & Sega (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj8vDYyEe_M) All Stars (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgL0TmZrGSs&feature=relmfu) Racing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt4PH4WdzgU&feature=relmfu)
And you know the rest. I wish we had more good games in this genre.
Once I think about it, I've only played CTR on that list.
You're missing out. While 3 of them are more arcade-y racers, Diddy Kong Racing has an adventure mode, a fantastic soundtrack by David Wise (probably one of the best racing soundtracks there is), a tone of variety, and really well designed courses.
The game is pretty hard, however.
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The game is pretty hard, however.
Those boss races... :oo:
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The game is pretty hard, however.
Those boss races... :oo:
And Silver Coin challenges. :-X
I would love another racer like it, though. :D
EVERYONE WITH A PSP/VITA/PS3 GET THIS WHEN IT COMES OUT (http://www.joystiq.com/2012/05/23/tomba-comes-to-playstation-network-as-a-psone-classic-this-summ/)
This is probably the single most overlooked game in the 32-bit generation.
Looks fun; will buy.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 23, 2012, 12:30:47 PM
And Silver Coin challenges. :-X
To this day, I still haven't beaten those (the second portion, with the reversed tracks; granted I haven't tried in a few years, but I digress). Greenwood Village... I just gave up after that one. The coin placement in that course is TORTURE. So... much... backtracking...
Love DKR, though. Probably my favorite racing game ever. Beats MK64 by a country mile.
I just played DKR about a month ago for the first time in nearly 8 years. Surprised at how well it's held up.
Have you guys tried the DS version? I was wondering if it was worth it (especially on a 3DS with the circle pad instead of d-pad) if only for the portability.
My friend bought it on release day and has told me many times that it is complete shit. He's a diehard fan of the original, too.
Nope, not yet. I've been meaning to, but some of the things I've heard about it have kept me away for the time being; the music wasn't ported very well (a few of the best tracks in the original, including this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w21lOnuZJI), apparently aren't even in the game at all), the gameplay lags, and Banjo and Conker are no longer playable characters.
From what I'm told, though, it does have some nifty extra features; new courses, and even a track editor. One of these days I'll have to give it a look just for the heck of it.
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this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w21lOnuZJI)
Quoteneed diddy kong racing dubstep :D
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Kart Racers:
Mario Kart: Double Dash!!
Diddy Kong Racing
Crash Team Racing
Super Mario Kart
Sonic & Sega All Stars Racing
IMO, the best in the genre.
Crash Team Racing is my favorite. I never played Double Dash or Diddy Kong.
If you like CTR, you'll probably like DKR. They share a lot of similarities. The soundtracks to these games are great too.
Diddy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODUOBq92IxA&feature=relmfu) Kong (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8boRM6xRXg) Racing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17Q9BJTxPlo&feature=relmfu)
Sonic & Sega (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj8vDYyEe_M) All Stars (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgL0TmZrGSs&feature=relmfu) Racing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt4PH4WdzgU&feature=relmfu)
And you know the rest. I wish we had more good games in this genre.
Once I think about it, I've only played CTR on that list.
You're missing out. While 3 of them are more arcade-y racers, Diddy Kong Racing has an adventure mode, a fantastic soundtrack by David Wise (probably one of the best racing soundtracks there is), a tone of variety, and really well designed courses.
The game is pretty hard, however.
More in depth than CTR's? Sounds like the perfect kart game.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 23, 2012, 01:25:43 PM
EVERYONE WITH A PSP/VITA/PS3 GET THIS WHEN IT COMES OUT (http://www.joystiq.com/2012/05/23/tomba-comes-to-playstation-network-as-a-psone-classic-this-summ/)
This is probably the single most overlooked game in the 32-bit generation.
I love this game. Wish there was more side quests though or maybe I just didn't find them all.
G4's making a top 100 video games of all time special that'll air in June.
If Morgan Webb's working on it, you can tell that there'll be a lack of what can be considered to be "kiddy" games. And I'm expecting Half-Life 2 to be number 1, then.
That special will be good for a laugh.
Quote from: Brak's Dad on May 24, 2012, 06:17:47 PM
G4's making a top 100 video games of all time special that'll air in June.
If Morgan Webb's working on it, you can tell that there'll be a lack of what can be considered to be "kiddy" games. And I'm expecting Half-Life 2 to be number 1, then.
Half-Life 2? More like Uncharted 2 or Gears of War 2.
It's the first "edgy classic" I can think of, but since HL2 is actually a good game, yeah, I'm probably off my rocker here.
Nah my sons, we all know the number 1 game on this list will be Call of Duty: Modern Warfare. I'm not even trying to be ironic here.
Quote from: Brak's Dad on May 24, 2012, 06:25:15 PM
It's the first "edgy classic" I can think of, but since HL2 is actually a good game, yeah, I'm probably off my rocker here.
I don't even see why it's considered as such. In all honesty, it should probably be rated T, along with Halo.
Quote from: Daxdiv on May 24, 2012, 06:27:19 PM
Nah my sons, we all know the number 1 game on this list will be Call of Duty: Modern Warfare. I'm not even trying to be ironic here.
Sadly...
That was actually the first game that came to mind. Definite top 5.
Modern Warfare
Uncharted 2
Halo 3
God Of War 2 (to pretend to appreciate "classics")
Killzone 2
Gears Of War 2
Battlefield 3
Modern Warfare 2
Battlefield Bad Company 2
Medal Of Honor
You can bet all those will stuff the top of the list.
This is why I'm so thankful that DirecTV no longer carries G4.
...yet I still know in the back of my mind that I will find a way to watch it, and groan and sigh and shake my head sadly throughout the entire thing. That's just the way it has to be.
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Modern Warfare
Uncharted 2
Halo 3
God Of War 2 (to pretend to appreciate "classics")
Killzone 2
Gears Of War 2
Battlefield 3
Modern Warfare 2
Battlefield Bad Company 2
Medal Of Honor
You can bet all those will stuff the top of the list.
It's a Top 100, so you might as well just throw all of the preceding titles to those respective series into the mix as well. I expect every Halo and every Call of Duty (
especially God's gift to gaming media, Black Ops) to show up, at the very least.
I mean, we can't possibly be filling that space with Mario or Pokemon or Sonic or Donkey Kong. Kiddy garbage, the lot of it. :drool:
I expect Super Mario 64 at #100 and Ocarina at #97 and that's it for Nintendo franchises. (You can bet your bottom dollar that will be the only Mario game especially)
Realistically any top 100 videogame list would be stuffed with NES, SNES, and Genesis titles, but you can bet there will most likely be none save stuff that had a port like Chrono Trigger (#98) or Sonic 2 (#99).
Why? Because Gametrailers hates the classics. It's like a movie reviewer that won't watch Casablanca because it's black and white.
Sad thing is; had this been aired 7 years ago, the list would have actually been at least somewhat respectable.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 24, 2012, 08:17:35 PM
I expect Super Mario 64 at #100 and Ocarina at #97 and that's it for Nintendo franchises. (You can bet your bottom dollar that will be the only Mario game especially)
Realistically any top 100 videogame list would be stuffed with NES, SNES, and Genesis titles, but you can bet there will most likely be none save stuff that had a port like Chrono Trigger (#98) or Sonic 2 (#99).
Why? Because Gametrailers hates the classics. It's like a movie reviewer that won't watch Casablanca because it's black and white.
Gametrailers? I thought this was G4's top 100 list. :-\
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I expect Super Mario 64 at #100 and Ocarina at #97 and that's it for Nintendo franchises. (You can bet your bottom dollar that will be the only Mario game especially)
Realistically any top 100 videogame list would be stuffed with NES, SNES, and Genesis titles, but you can bet there will most likely be none save stuff that had a port like Chrono Trigger (#98) or Sonic 2 (#99).
Why? Because Gametrailers hates the classics. It's like a movie reviewer that won't watch Casablanca because it's black and white.
Gametrailers? I thought this was G4's top 100 list. :-\
One owns the other. I'm not sure which.
They both hate Nintendo, either way.
There seems to be a lot of anti-Nintendo sentiment in gaming press anymore, though (obviously not the case for everyone, hence Galaxy and other such games still getting many good reviews from sensible media outlets, but you know what I mean; take the general reaction to the 3DS, and how iPhone gaming is apparently curbstomping it, for example). Half of it boils down to the "I want them to fail just so I can say I was right" crowd, and the other half are just blinded fanboys that won't let anyone enjoy the things they don't like.
Too many Takao's, and not enough sense of reason.
Well, GT usually gives a lot of Nintendo's big first-party releases 9's and above and such, like both of the SMG games, TP, SW, etc, so I don't think they hate Nintendo nearly as much as G4 obviously does, even if they are owned by the same company.
If GT's guilty of anything, its their unfair bias toward Sonic. Yes, Shadow The Hedgehog, Sonic '06, and various other Sonic-related games from the past decade suck. No, that doesn't mean that all 3D Sonic games suck. They bashed the hell out of Sonic Adventure 2 and gave a low review score to Sonic Colors. They also recently bashed the hell out of Sonic 4 Episode 2 (but most critics bashed it), but their complaint was stupid. They seem to be under the delusion that Sonic is ONLY about speed and apparently in their memory the old Sonic games were only about running and occasionally jumping. They basically bashed the game because Tails was part of the game's mechanic. Mind you, they didn't even go into detail on whether it was a good or bad mechanic, they just said that it deviated from speed and thus it made the game bad, which is pitifully stupid logic and shows their clear and obvious hatred toward the series in general.
The Mario hate was mostly G4. Especially Morgan Webb.
Gametrailers' Colors review was so bad that people were tearing it apart, even on their site, for weeks. It was like IGN's Godhand or Sonic Unleashed review where they made the game look worse than it actually is.
I remember one part in their Unleashed review where he just randomly stood still then jumped off a cliff to demonstrate bad controls. Now, Unleashed doesn't have the best controls, but that was very disingenuous of them.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 24, 2012, 10:06:11 PM
The Mario hate was mostly G4. Especially Morgan Webb.
Have you seen their video review of SMG2? They gave the game a 5/5, and Morgan Webb voices the review, but you can sense how grudging her tone is in praising the game. Its clear that she didn't actually write the review and was forced to read it out. Its actually quite hilarious to watch it when you keep in mind that he has such an obvious disdain for all things Nintendo. :sly:
QuoteGametrailers' Colors review was so bad that people were tearing it apart, even on their site, for weeks. It was like IGN's Godhand or Sonic Unleashed review where they made the game look worse than it actually is.
I remember one part in their Unleashed review where he just randomly stood still then jumped off a cliff to demonstrate bad controls. Now, Unleashed doesn't have the best controls, but that was very disingenuous of them.
Have you seen GT's list of the top 10 worst blockbuster games (or it was called something like that)? Their number 1 spot was every Sonic game since Adventure 2, which I suppose apparently includes the Advance and Rush games despite those getting more positive reviews than the 3D games, since they didn't clearly specify which ones they were talking about. That was just an embarrassing entry in the list since they clearly were just lashing out at every Sonic game from the last decade despite the fact that NOT every Sonic game sucked as much as they made the whole serious out to. Also, I'm curious to know why Sonic Adventure 1 even got the pass. Its not like that game didn't have mostly the same flaws that Sonic Adventure 2 had, but I guess because its before last decade they somehow treat it like one of the classics, which is just plain stupid (not to say that the game isn't good, though, as I still think its a good game, personally).
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The Mario hate was mostly G4. Especially Morgan Webb.
Have you seen their video review of SMG2? The gave the game a 5/5, and Morgan Webb voices the review, but you can sense how grudgingly her tone is in praising the game. Its clear that she didn't actually write the review and was forced to read it out. Its actually quite hilarious to watch it when you keep in mind that he has such an obvious disdain for all things Nintendo. :sly:
Sorta like on IGN when after E3 2010 Daemon Hatfield said something like "I thought Nintendo had the worst conference." How can anyone even remotely think that? Sony had nothing and Microsoft was Kinect-fest with poorly running demos.
QuoteQuoteGametrailers' Colors review was so bad that people were tearing it apart, even on their site, for weeks. It was like IGN's Godhand or Sonic Unleashed review where they made the game look worse than it actually is.
I remember one part in their Unleashed review where he just randomly stood still then jumped off a cliff to demonstrate bad controls. Now, Unleashed doesn't have the best controls, but that was very disingenuous of them.
Have you seen GT's list of the top 10 worst blockbuster games (or it was called something like that)? Their number 1 spot was every Sonic game since Adventure 2, which I suppose apparently includes the Advance and Rush games despite those getting more positive reviews than the 3D games, since they didn't clearly specify which ones they were talking about. That was just an embarrassing entry in the list since they clearly were just lashing out at every Sonic game from the last decade despite the fact that NOT every Sonic game sucked as much as they made the whole serious out to. Also, I'm curious to know why Sonic Adventure 1 even got the pass. Its not like that game didn't have mostly the same flaws that Sonic Adventure 2 had, but I guess because its before last decade they somehow treat it like one of the classics, which is just plain stupid (not to say that the game isn't good, though, as I still think its a good game, personally).
Which is even weirder considering they liked Generations. I dunno, this rabid hate of older stuff in the game industry confuses me. I guess because I'm more of a traditionalist who only likes new things that build on that proven foundation. I'm not an extreme "throw everything out and start from scratch" guy. I always say keep what works, fix what doesn't, and improve from there. Not the modern idea of "make everything look like a B-movie and give people less to do".
Wow, she sounds totally like she's grinding her teeth here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLgZHonjb8U)
I hadn't seen that in a while, but that is one terrible review. It tells you NOTHING about the game at all.
Yeah, you could tell her obvious hate for Mario in this review and that she's saying all of those things against her will. Its funny, because the first time I saw this review I kept thinking they'd end up giving this game a mediocre score because of how sarcastic her voice sounded. I mean, even when she was praising the game I still felt like she was bad-mouthing it under her breath like some sort of inside joke. She doesn't sound the least bit enthusiastic about the game at all which made it really funny when I saw her say 5/5 at the end, even though she herself clearly didn't agree with giving it that score. I mean, she didn't even TRY to sound convincing in that review. :D
Remember when girl gamers were a welcome anomaly and the few female gaming critics loved fun in their electronic experiences?
Wow has gaming changed in the past 10 years.
Quote from: Brak's Dad on May 24, 2012, 10:54:19 PM
Remember when girl gamers were a welcome anomaly and the few female gaming critics loved fun in their electronic experiences?
Wow has gaming changed in the past 10 years.
Who would have thunk that so many girl geeks would turn out to be just as obnoxious as their male counterparts? Yay for equality? :D
In all seriousness, the females in this industry are just as bad as the males.
I just mentioned that because I remember way back in the day a running joke in X-Play was about whether or not Morgan was actually a gamer. Nowadays we don't doubt that at all.
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I just mentioned that because I remember way back in the day a running joke in X-Play was about whether or not Morgan was actually a gamer. Nowadays we don't doubt that at all.
7 years ago saying something like "It wasn't 3D enough" wouldn't be acceptable criticism, and now it is.
Next gen is going to cause a
lot of meltdowns from these people.
Stuff like this makes me glad that I usually stick to niche genres like stealth, horror, and beat 'em up.
And then it makes me sad that those are niche genres in the first place.
Although I do have to ask, if you guys were to compile a list of the objective best games ever made, what would you put at #1? When you factor in gameplay, influence, standing the test of time and all that stuff.
I personally think that compiling a list such as this for all of gaming as a whole is a lot harder than one for say, animated series or pop songs, since there are os many different genres, types of gameplay, methods of playing, etc to consider. But for me, I'd think that SMB3 and MGS1 would certainly be up there.
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Although I do have to ask, if you guys were to compile a list of the objective best games ever made, what would you put at #1? When you factor in gameplay, influence, standing the test of time and all that stuff.
I personally think that compiling a list such as this for all of gaming as a whole is a lot harder than one for say, animated series or pop songs, since there are os many different genres, types of gameplay, methods of playing, etc to consider. But for me, I'd think that SMB3 and MGS1 would certainly be up there.
Probably Super Mario Bros. 3 if we're talking generally. To me that was everything a sequel should aspire to be.
Quote from: Foggle on May 24, 2012, 11:24:10 PM
Stuff like this makes me glad that I usually stick to niche genres like stealth, horror, and beat 'em up.
And then it makes me sad that those are niche genres in the first place.
Hitman, Thief, MGS, Silent Hill, Resident Evil, Fear Effect, Double Dragon, Final Fight, and Streets Of Rage all used to be top sellers with huge sales. Then they stopped selling because the audience moved on to something new. The stuff got stale.
The problem is they brought the franchises back without any of the effort that went into the original games getting paltry sales and devaluing the brand. Beat em ups haven't had this problem as much (Streetwise and Golden Axe Beast Rider aside), but companies don't put their A-teams on the games.
As New Super Mario Bros. showed: lack of AAA 2D platformers on consoles for years + old school franchise with clout = Big Bucks.
There's two ways to bring niche games back (everything goes niche eventually, bringing it back is the trick) but not too many try the second approach. But the ones that do (NSMBWii, Rayman Origins, and Mega Man 9) usually get rewarded big for it.
Quote from: Brak's Dad on May 24, 2012, 11:29:12 PM
Although I do have to ask, if you guys were to compile a list of the objective best games ever made, what would you put at #1? When you factor in gameplay, influence, standing the test of time and all that stuff.
I personally think that compiling a list such as this for all of gaming as a whole is a lot harder than one for say, animated series or pop songs, since there are os many different genres, types of gameplay, methods of playing, etc to consider. But for me, I'd think that SMB3 and MGS1 would certainly be up there.
You are correct; in fact, I'd go so far as to say that compiling such a list would literally be impossible. Though if I were forced to make one, these games would top it:
Super Mario Bros. 3
Thief: The Dark Project
Deus Ex
Doom
Baldur's Gate Planescape: Torment, actually
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Grand Theft Auto 3
Devil May Cry
I'm now reminded, what happened to Splinter Cell? That used to be HUGE.
Hell, does Ubisoft even make Tom Clancy games anymore?
A new Ghost Recon game came out recently.
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I'm now reminded, what happened to Splinter Cell? That used to be HUGE.
Conviction was pretty good. It was way too heavy on the shooting, but once you learned how to play it as a stealth game, it was a blast.
QuoteHell, does Ubisoft even make Tom Clancy games anymore?
Ghost Recon: Future Soldier. Starring Coco. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K0eRtLeFiM)
Quote from: Brak's Dad on May 24, 2012, 11:40:20 PM
I'm now reminded, what happened to Splinter Cell? That used to be HUGE.
Hell, does Ubisoft even make Tom Clancy games anymore?
They casualized it for the dudebro crowd. Like I mentioned before, they stripped things out of the game to make it like everything else and take away its identity. I hear the new Hitman has the same problem, and we all saw what happened to Ninja Gaiden 3.
If Max Payne 3 is a success, then I hope that proves my earlier theory right and people begin to go back to their roots. Not to gloat, but I've never understood why they moved away in the first place.
Yeah, when I think military shooters, I think fucking Ice Loves Coco.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 24, 2012, 11:45:52 PM
They casualized it for the dudebro crowd. Like I mentioned before, they stripped things out of the game to make it like everything else and take away its identity. I hear the new Hitman has the same problem, and we all saw what happened to Ninja Gaiden 3.
Absolution looks fine. It's streamlined, not casualized (or as some people like to say... ugh... "consolized"). They've only shown gameplay from what appears to be the first level so far. Yes, it looks extremely linear and forces action sequences on you... but so did Blood Money's first mission, and that's one of the greatest stealth games of all time.
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If Max Payne 3 is a success, then I hope that proves my earlier theory right and people begin to go back to their roots. Not to gloat, but I've never understood why they moved away in the first place.
It sold 3 million in the first week, and the PC version isn't even out yet. But a lot (and I mean
a lot) of people are complaining about it being "too hard." Gamers just don't appreciate challenge anymore.
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Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 24, 2012, 11:45:52 PM
They casualized it for the dudebro crowd. Like I mentioned before, they stripped things out of the game to make it like everything else and take away its identity. I hear the new Hitman has the same problem, and we all saw what happened to Ninja Gaiden 3.
Absolution looks fine. It's streamlined, not casualized (or as some people like to say... ugh... "consolized"). They've only shown gameplay from what appears to be the first level so far. Yes, it looks extremely linear and forces action sequences on you... but so did Blood Money's first mission, and that's one of the greatest stealth games of all time.
Good point, it's just a worrying trend when even games based on options (RPGs, Adventure, and Stealth games) seem to be going more and more streamlined in order to cater to the crowd that likes dual stick shooters almost as much as their beer and chips.
Different audiences are out there, but everyone is trying to go for the COD one.
QuoteQuote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 24, 2012, 11:45:52 PM
If Max Payne 3 is a success, then I hope that proves my earlier theory right and people begin to go back to their roots. Not to gloat, but I've never understood why they moved away in the first place.
It sold 3 million in the first week, and the PC version isn't even out yet. But a lot (and I mean a lot) of people are complaining about it being "too hard." Gamers just don't appreciate challenge anymore.
That's more than most games sell their entire runs this gen. Point proved! O0
Now I want it... I just need money. :'(
Mega Man X2 was just added to the Virtual Console in Europe. As great as that news is, I hope they don't wait too long on the SNES version of X3, as that is definitely the rarest of the X games.
Quote from: Brak's Dad on May 24, 2012, 11:40:20 PM
I'm now reminded, what happened to Splinter Cell? That used to be HUGE.
Hell, does Ubisoft even make Tom Clancy games anymore?
I'm glad Splinter Cell is getting a break for whatever reason. It's one of my favorite series but I didn't want them to get into this trend of constantly trying to one up the games. If they want something fresh, the series would need a gap where they aren't even doing a sequel for some years. Sam constantly chasing his daughters killers sounded like the game could go into the wrong direction. I haven't played the two current gen games yet so I can't really say for myself if they are pushing this "Fisher is darker now" thing two far. I'm kind of glad I don't because I can pick up those games and get Chaos Theory and beat that again. That should hold me over.
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Quote from: Brak's Dad on May 24, 2012, 11:29:12 PM
Although I do have to ask, if you guys were to compile a list of the objective best games ever made, what would you put at #1? When you factor in gameplay, influence, standing the test of time and all that stuff.
I personally think that compiling a list such as this for all of gaming as a whole is a lot harder than one for say, animated series or pop songs, since there are os many different genres, types of gameplay, methods of playing, etc to consider. But for me, I'd think that SMB3 and MGS1 would certainly be up there.
You are correct; in fact, I'd go so far as to say that compiling such a list would literally be impossible. Though if I were forced to make one, these games would top it:
Super Mario Bros. 3
Thief: The Dark Project
Deus Ex
Doom
Baldur's Gate Planescape: Torment, actually
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Grand Theft Auto 3
Devil May Cry
I believe Desen asked something similar to this (perfect games list, I believe it was called) and never finished the conversation on it. What a shame.
And the bolded to my list and:
Metal Slug 3
Contra Hard Corps
Sonic 2
Streets Of Rage 2
Phantasy Star IV
Einhander ( >:( SquarEnix)
Max Payne PC version (controls are as good as MP2 is for consoles and I think MP2 has the best console controls ever, Ninja Gaiden being a close 2nd)
Devil May Cry
Streets Of Rage Collection is up on XBLA right now for 800 points.
I believe it includes the Japanese versions of all the games, too. So if you do not own these games they are now on EVERY modern system. No excuse!
Japanese versions huh? I assume only 3 has big differences. I have all the games on Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection and yeah yeah the Japanese version of 3 (which is fun as hell) But anyway, the real incentive for me wanting to buy the other versions is online. Dumbass Backbone made none of the SUGC games online and I'd kill to play 1, 2 and Japanese 3 online.
The Backbone version of 2 has been delisted.
Also the virtual Console got Metal Slug 3 up today. They have yet to put up X (for whatever reason), but when they do then I'll have quite the shooter collection on my Wii.
What shoot em ups do you have?
Just on the VC or in general?
Off the top of my head...
Bloody Wolf
Cannon Spike
Contra (arcade)
Contra (NES)
Super Contra
Super C
Contra III
Operation C
Contra: Shattered Soldier
Neo Contra
Contra 4
Contra Rebirth
Hard Corps Uprising
Devastators
Elevator Action Returns
Commando
Gunstar Heroes
Gunstar Super Heroes
Astro Boy: Omega Factor
Shock Troopers
Sly Spy
Heavy Barrel
Metal Slug series (Except 7/XX)
The Red Star
Trap Gunner
Super Turrican
Super Turrican 2
Vanquish
I'm assuming you don't mean "spaceship" style shmups? Because if so, I have a bunch of those but those are way too many to list.
I don't recognize too many of those.
Shinobi III is really climbing up my favorite games list.
I didn't play it a lot as a kid, but it seems I'm enjoying it more and more every time I play it. It already surpassed Ninja Gaiden II and Ninja Five-O on my favorite ninja game list (with original Shinobi, Ninja Spirit, and Shadow Of The ninja before you ask!), and is up there with my fave games period.
Once you get good with the many moves Joe has, the game is just a joy to play.
What's:
Ninja Spirit
Bloody Wolf
Cannon Spike
Devastators
Elevator Action Returns
Commando
Shock Troopers
Sly Spy
Heavy Barrel
Trap Gunner
Quote from: gunswordfist on June 11, 2012, 06:56:24 PM
What's:
Ninja Spirit
A Ninja Gaiden style game for the Turbografx.
QuoteBloody Wolf
A top down style shooter like MERCs.
QuoteCannon Spike
Same as above, only for Dreamcast (and it has Mega Man!)
QuoteDevastators
An arcade game that's like an improved version of the base levels from Contra.
QuoteElevator Action Returns
Elevator Action meets Rolling Thunder.
QuoteCommando
Look up MERCs for the Genesis.
QuoteShock Troopers
SNK shooter that's better than every Metal Slug after 3.
QuoteSly Spy
Old arcade style shooter from Data East.
QuoteHeavy Barrel
Old top down style shooter from Data East.
QuoteTrap Gunner
It's like Deception meets Bomberman meets an arcade shooter. VERY original, very hard to find.
What's:
MERCs
Elevator Action *snickers at name*
Quote from: gunswordfist on June 11, 2012, 07:56:37 PM
What's:
MERCs
MERCs: Wolf Of The Battlefield is a frantic top down shooter in the Commando series. It is great.
QuoteElevator Action *snickers at name*
An old arcade game where you ride an elevator to floors in a building to get secret agent files while you avoid enemy agents. The sequel (Returns) is excellent.
The first part of G4's list aired last night.
100. Pong
99. Words With Friends
98. Pitfall
97. NBA 2K11
96. Guitar Hero 2
95. Burger Time
94. Braid
93. Star Wars: Tie Fighter
92. Galaga
91. The Sims
90. Baldur's Gate 2: Shadows of Amn
89. Left 4 Dead
88. Double Dribble (NES)
87. Mass Effect 2
86. OutRun
85. Silent Hill 2
84. Wii Sports
83. Ninja Gaiden (2004)
82. Super Smash Bros. Melee
81. Resident Evil
Not too bad so far, really. Although I would've expected L4D and Mass Effect 2 to be higher. I also would've put Galaga higher up and not put in Words With Friends, or any phone games for that matter.
WTF is Burger Time?
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.arcade-museum.com%2Fimages%2F118%2F1181242065133.png&hash=5c734fa3ec4be44b952593d235bfa21d5a5f35d0)
A classic arcade game.
For the life of me, I cannot understand how any sports sim can ever make a "greatest games of all time list".
I'm talking about the realistic interpretations here, IE Madden (or in this case, NBA 2K11). The ones that overly dramatized and have that pick-up-and-play arcade feel to them (NFL Blitz, NBA Jam, etc.), those I don't mind, as those games are actually fun, and not really meant to be taken seriously anyway. But actual sims? Over 90% of them date themselves within a year, and half of the time, the only noticeable difference between any two games are updated rosters. There's not exactly a lot of lasting appeal here, hence why most old sports sims are dirt cheap within a month of the next newest addition being released.
Otherwise... eh. Not terrible, I suppose. Looks like the token Mario additions will have to be a little higher than we thought, eh Spark? :awesome:
The funny thing is that this isn't even the most recent game in the NBA 2K series- that'd be 2K12, and 2K13 should be coming out later this year. Does this mean that 2K11 was just that ahead of the pack?
I'm watching it right now. Soulja Boy is one of the people talking about the games. :wth:
Still, EK should be happy that Ninja Gaiden made the list, even though it'll inevitably place lower than God of War and the like.
I didn't even notice NG. That should be higher. Oh well.
Hey, I have to admit that I'm just stoked that Ninja Gaiden was rated higher than Mass Effect 2 (and it deserves it ;) ).
As for the sports games, I'm not a fan either, but to be fair my brother who plays them told me that apparently NBA 2K11 supposedly plays very differently from any of the previous NBA sim games up to that point as its gameplay was completely revamped, which is apparently why critics praised it so much. Still, I don't really care about realistic sports games either way, but as long as none of them make the top 50, I can live with a few of them being on the list. I honestly feel that if any basketball game should have made a top 100 list, though, it should have been NBA Street Volume 2, since that game kicks ass and is probably the most fun I've had with video game version of basketball.
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 12, 2012, 04:59:14 PM
I didn't even notice NG. That should be higher. Oh well.
Yes, it should be, but being that its a Japanese game that automatically hurt its chances be being anywhere near the top 50 on the list. Hell, whenever DMC gets ranked, it'll still be lower than God of War, mark my words on that. The thing about G4 is that they are incredibly and obviously biased towards Japanese games, and even if they rank them on the list they'll just as easily place any Western equivalents to them much higher, regardless of actual quality. I'm not debating the quality between Western and Japanese games myself, but I just wanted to point out G4's obvious preference of Western made games. I expect that Mario and Zelda will make it into the top 20 because even G4 can't deny their impact on the gaming industry as a whole, but I wouldn't be one bit surprised to see them outranked by the likes of an Uncharted or Call of Duty game, which is just bonkers in my book.
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 12, 2012, 02:44:43 PM
99. Words With Friends
97. NBA 2K11
96. Guitar Hero 2
94. Braid
84. Wii Sports
Um...
Those games aside, this list is surprisingly respectable so far. Good on you, G4! :)
EDIT: Whoops, Star Wars Tie Fighter somehow made it into my quote. I love that game!
At this point, I had almost completely forgotten that Guitar Hero was even a thing.
I suppose I really shouldn't be all that surprised - the market for those games was at a pretty high peak in 2008-2009, even if it was mass over-saturation - so I guess at least one was bound to make it. Hopefully we don't see any more, though.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on June 12, 2012, 05:52:25 PM
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 12, 2012, 04:59:14 PM
I didn't even notice NG. That should be higher. Oh well.
Yes, it should be, but being that its a Japanese game that automatically hurt its chances be being anywhere near the top 50 on the list. Hell, whenever DMC gets ranked, it'll still be lower than God of War, mark my words on that. The thing about G4 is that they are incredibly and obviously biased towards Japanese games, and even if they rank them on the list they'll just as easily place any Western equivalents to them much higher, regardless of actual quality. I'm not debating the quality between Western and Japanese games myself, but I just wanted to point out G4's obvious preference of Western made games. I expect that Mario and Zelda will make it into the top 20 because even G4 can't deny their impact on the gaming industry as a whole, but I wouldn't be one bit surprised to see them outranked by the likes of an Uncharted or Call of Duty game, which is just bonkers in my book.
Well, the preview for tonights episode showed GoW, so there's still a chance DMC and Bayonetta will rank higher (slim as it may be).
Quote from: Kiddington on June 12, 2012, 05:57:08 PM
At this point, I had almost completely forgotten that Guitar Hero was even a thing.
I suppose I really shouldn't be all that surprised - the market for those games was at a pretty high peak in 2008-2009, even if it was mass over-saturation - so I guess at least one was bound to make it. Hopefully we don't see any more, though.
I know right? It feels like it's been ages since GH was anywhere near relevant.
Neversoft and Harmonix killed themselves with the music sim genre. It's a good thing that they're hibernating, IMO.
What really killed it, was stuff like DJ Hero. While normally, I would have gotten the game, but not when the peripheral needed to play it costs $100 dollars. That's just ridiculous.
Oh yeah, that was the final blow. Stuff like the Van Halen and Gren Day games didn't help matters, either.
I still think the Rocks the 80s one is the best Guitar Hero, simply because it's the most unconventional. 2 and 3 aren't bad, but outside of that I never really got attached to the games. I can't believe they kept going to 6 though, that's crazy.
Rock Band I only played a little bit of the first one, but really by the point it was coming out I was kind of done with the games.
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 12, 2012, 02:44:43 PM
The first part of G4's list aired last night.
100. Pong
This was inevitable. But the concept has been massively improved on since it came out.
Quote99. Words With Friends
No comment.
Quote98. Pitfall
Great, and very influential game. Well deserved.
Quote97. NBA 2K11
Why not just list the franchise? It's not like they're all that different.
Quote96. Guitar Hero 2
... No. Rock Band 2 smokes it in every way. Almost the entirety of the soundtrack is RB DLC, too. So this is totally off.
Quote95. Burger Time
Ignoring GSF (come on, really?), this is a classic. Totally deserved.
Quote94. Braid
I've played way more than 100 games better than this.
Quote93. Star Wars: Tie Fighter
Oh wow, people remember the good Star Wars games!
Quote92. Galaga
Ace!
Quote91. The Sims
Inevitable.
Quote90. Baldur's Gate 2: Shadows of Amn
This might mean more of lesser games from this developer weren't higher up the list.
Quote89. Left 4 Dead
I prefer 2 (especially with the original's maps included) so I hope 2 doesn't show up down the list. One spot for the series is enough.
Quote88. Double Dribble (NES)
8-bit sports games > Modern sports games
Quote87. Mass Effect 2
I wonder why this is so low?
Quote86. OutRun
Putting a classic above a modern WRPG!?!? I might have this place pegged wrong!
Quote85. Silent Hill 2
Too low. This game was very important.
Quote84. Wii Sports
This must have killed them to place it this high.
Quote83. Ninja Gaiden (2004)
I guess this means the NES original will be the highest on here.
Quote82. Super Smash Bros. Melee
As long as Brawl lists higher, I'm good.
Quote81. Resident Evil
No argument here. Should have specified Director's Cut, though.
No CoD yet... There's like 8 of those. Watch them take up most of the top 15.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 12, 2012, 08:06:28 PM
No argument here. Should have specified Director's Cut, though.
Or the remake. >_>
Quote from: Foggle on June 12, 2012, 08:09:25 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 12, 2012, 08:06:28 PM
No argument here. Should have specified Director's Cut, though.
Or the remake. >_>
I think that'll be on its own later on.
4 will be the highest and 2 won't crack the top 50.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 12, 2012, 08:10:22 PM
I think that'll be on its own later on.
Yeah, I think you're right.
Quote2 won't crack the top 50.
:(
I just hope Deus Ex is on here somewhere. Preferably in the top 20.
Deus Ex (the original) will probably be in the top 30, I'd imagine. Same with Half Life 2, Halo 1, and DOOM (but probably not 2) being the non-CoD entries.
I'm not sure if they're only ranking one game per franchise, but if they are then I believe Halo 2 will make the list above the others just because that one was a big deal for bringing multiplayer online for the series and the people at G4 seem to praise that Halo game the most. If they do rank more than 1 game per franchise, then I wouldn't be surprised if all 3 Halo games make it into the top 50, which I think is kind of crazy as only the first one really deserves to be anywhere on this list, IMO.
I would hope they pick the most well-rounded to go the highest. Halo 1 might not be online, but it does have the whole package compared to the other games. But especially 2 for having the worst single player campaign.
That said, I have no idea how they're doing this. But I think if we see any N64 game that's not OOT or SM64, I'll be very surprised.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 12, 2012, 08:06:28 PMI guess this means the NES original will be the highest on here.
I doubt it. I get the feeling that aside from Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and maybe some key Nintendo franchises, no other classic NES games will rank that high on this list if they aren't part of major franchises like those. There are some exceptions that made it on the list so far, but those are low spots. I just feel like the NES Ninja Gaiden games will most likely get overlooked entirely, and may not be placed later down the list (and thus not be part of the list at all). Of course if they do rank classic Ninja Gaiden higher up on this list, that'll earn them a ton of bonus respectability points in my book for actually remembering some of the true classics besides just the obvious ones. That said, if any NES NG game deserves a spot on this list, its NG2, IMO.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on June 12, 2012, 08:56:04 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 12, 2012, 08:06:28 PMI guess this means the NES original will be the highest on here.
I doubt it. I get the feeling that aside from Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and maybe some key Nintendo franchises, no other classic NES games will rank that high on this list if they aren't part of major franchises like those. There are some exceptions that made it on the list so far, but those are low spots. I just feel like the NES Ninja Gaiden games will most likely get overlooked entirely, and may not be placed later down the list (and thus not be part of the list at all). Of course if they do rank classic Ninja Gaiden higher up on this list, that'll earn them a ton of bonus respectability points in my book for actually remembering some of the true classics besides just the obvious ones. That said, if any NES NG game deserves a spot on this list, its NG2, IMO.
It's a shame, too. The NES has one of the best game libraries there is. But I would definitely put 2 on there over 1, but like Double Dragon's NES installments reviewers seem to prefer the original despite the sequels totally improving on the original ones.
Watched a bit of the second one. I wasn't paying too much attention, so I can't recall what number they placed in, but I do know that Prince of Persia:Sands of Time, Unreal Tournament, Wolfenstein 3D, and God of War III made the list.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 12, 2012, 08:54:55 PM
I would hope they pick the most well-rounded to go the highest. Halo 1 might not be online, but it does have the whole package compared to the other games. But especially 2 for having the worst single player campaign.
That said, I have no idea how they're doing this. But I think if we see any N64 game that's not OOT or SM64, I'll be very surprised.
Don't forget Goldeneye.
Quote from: Rynnec on June 12, 2012, 08:59:24 PM
Watched a bit of the second one. I wasn't paying too much attention, so I can't recall what number they placed in, but I do know that Prince of Persia:Sands of Time, Unreal Tournament, Wolfenstein 3D, and God of War III made the list.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 12, 2012, 08:54:55 PM
I would hope they pick the most well-rounded to go the highest. Halo 1 might not be online, but it does have the whole package compared to the other games. But especially 2 for having the worst single player campaign.
That said, I have no idea how they're doing this. But I think if we see any N64 game that's not OOT or SM64, I'll be very surprised.
Don't forget Goldeneye.
It depends. There are a lot of sites that won't give any pre-Halo 1 shooter the time of day.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 12, 2012, 08:54:55 PM
I would hope they pick the most well-rounded to go the highest. Halo 1 might not be online, but it does have the whole package compared to the other games. But especially 2 for having the worst single player campaign.
Yeah, I liked 2's multiplayer just fine, but I unlike most people I don't think that excuses its weak campaign mode, which is easily the most disappointing campaign mode that I've ever played in a Halo game. I also don't think that Reach should go on this list, since despite the fact that I really enjoy its campaign mode, I do feel that it ironically dropped the ball on the multiplayer aspect of things, which I'm actually fine with since I'm not a big MP guy anyways, but I do think that automatically makes Halo 1 the best game in the series by default since it has the right balance of a great campaign mode (minus The Library) and great multiplayer, even if its bare-boned in terms of game types (I only really care about Slayer, anyways) and can't "officially" be played online unless you own the PC or MAC versions of the game.
QuoteThat said, I have no idea how they're doing this. But I think if we see any N64 game that's not OOT or SM64, I'll be very surprised.
I actually feel that Star Fox 64 and Banjo Kazooie probably have a decent shot of making this list as well, giving the good reputation both of those games have, even among Nintendo haters like G4 apparently.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 12, 2012, 08:54:55 PM
It depends. There are a lot of sites that won't give any pre-Halo 1 shooter the time of day.
True, but G4 is one of the few videogame media outlets that acknowledged the fact that FPS' existed before Halo. (at least last time I checked)
80. Gears Of War 3
79. Psychonauts
78. Spy Hunter
77. Excitebike
76. Blades Of Steel (NES)
75. Fallout 3
74. Star Fox 64
73. Mega Man 2
72. Mortal Kombat
71. Wing Commander 2: Vengeance Of The Kilrathi
70. Star Wars Arcade
69. Double Dragon
68. Prince Of Persia: The Sands Of Time
67. Minecraft
66. Assassin's Creed 2
65. Unreal Tournament
64. NBA Jam
63. Wolfenstein 3D
62. Sid Meier's Civilization 2
61. God Of War 3
I'm surprised to see Star Fox on here. As much as I love it, I'm not sure if I'd put it too much higher on my own list for the absolute greatest games.
This list isn't too bad so far, really. Although Mega Man 2 should be higher and I wouldn't dare to put an Assassin's Creed game over Sands of Time (as long as that's the last we see of that franchise, it's all good though).
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 12, 2012, 10:47:12 PM
80. Gears Of War 3
As a person who doesn't typically like these types of generic TPS games, it is still a decent game and I have played it twice, actually. That said, there's no way in hell I'd ever put it on a top 100 list, as there are just much better games out there. If a Gears of War game had to be on this list, it might as well have been the first one since the cover system wasn't such a worn out concept when that game came out and it did refine it and could be argued to be an important TPS game in its own right. The 3rd game is just a more polished rehash, and nothing more than that.
Quote75. Fallout 3
I'm not a fan of this game, obviously, but I'm actually content with it getting this spot since I would've expected it to be much higher on a list like this.
Quote74. Star Fox 64
Called it, Desensitized. :P
Quote73. Mega Man 2
Should be much higher on this list, IMO, but its still good to see it here at all.
Quote72. Mortal Kombat
I was never an MK fan, but I suppose it deserves its spot on a list like this, and the ranking that it got seems to be pretty fair and in the right place.
Quote70. Star Wars Arcade
Was this the stick-based arcade game where you could pick between different scenarios in any of the original 3 movies? Because if so, that game was awesome, and it totally deserves to be here on this list. If not, then I'm not sure which Star Wars arcade game they're referring to, and can't really comment on it.
Quote69. Double Dragon
I guess Desensitized called this one making it on the list over its superior sequel.
Quote68. Prince Of Persia: The Sands Of Time
I actually still need to play this game some day.
Quote67. Minecraft
I honestly don't get the appeal, but I suppose I can respect its creativity well enough.
Quote66. Assassin's Creed 2
I hated the first game. That was what got me to stop trusting any big time game journalists's reviews. I haven't played AC2, but what I've seen of it gives me little reason to think otherwise.
Quote64. NBA Jam
I'm glad that this game made it over 2K11, but I still think that NBA Street Volume 2 is the best basketball video game ever made, and one of the best sports games ever for that matter.
Quote63. Wolfenstein 3D
An undeniably important game that kick-started the FPS genre into action. It deserves to be here, or arguably even a little bit higher, but to be honest I think it ranks just fine over here since as important as it is, other games have long since outdone it at its own game (and I'm strictly referring to old-school FPS games, in that regard). I do fully expect either DOOM or DOOM II to rank within the top 50 of this list if they were able to acknowledge an old-school FPS like this one.
Quote61. God Of War 3
Sorry, but I can never see the justification in this game ranking higher than Ninja Gaiden. Yeah, I'm biased, but it just seems so plainly obvious to me which game has more substance and care put into its design, and just has general better gameplay for that matter. If this same game was released with average graphics, it flat-out wouldn't hold up as much. By today's standards, NG's graphics are outdated but the game still has more depth and content to offer than almost any other modern action game.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on June 12, 2012, 11:13:39 PM
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 12, 2012, 10:47:12 PM
80. Gears Of War 3
As a person who doesn't typically like these types of generic TPS games, it is still a decent game and I have played it twice, actually. That said, there's no way in hell I'd ever put it on a top 100 list, as there are just much better games out there. If a Gears of War game had to be on this list, it might as well have been the first one since the cover system wasn't such a worn out concept when that game came out and it did refine it and could be argued to be an important TPS game in its own right. The 3rd game is just a more polished rehash, and nothing more than that.
You should have seen how much they were wanking the story when they were talking about that one. :D
Quote
Quote73. Mega Man 2
Should be much higher on this list, IMO, but its still good to see it here at all.
Assuming that they're not going with "1 game per series" with this, then if Megaman 3 or MMX make it higher, then I'm fine with 2's place on the list.
Quote
Quote70. Star Wars Arcade
Was this the stick-based arcade game where you could pick between different scenarios in any of the original 3 movies? Because if so, that game was awesome, and it totally deserves to be here on this list. If not, then I'm not sure which Star Wars arcade game they're referring to, and can't really comment on it.
The one with the grid-like graphics? If so, then that's the one that got on there.
Quote
Quote61. God Of War 3
Sorry, but I can never see the justification in this game ranking higher than Ninja Gaiden. Yeah, I'm biased, but it just seems so plainly obvious to me which game has more substance and care put into its design, and just has general better gameplay for that matter. If this same game was released with average graphics, it flat-out wouldn't hold up as much. By today's standards, NG's graphics are outdated but the game still has more depth and content to offer than almost any other modern action game.
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Agreed. But on the bright side, this makes it more likely that DMC and Bayonetta will make it higher than GoW.
I think DMC will (it better), but I doubt that Bayonetta will make the list at all, even though it deserves to be high up there. I feel like they'll overlook it since its simply put just a lot less popular than NG, DMC, and GOW. Sure, those of us that talk about games passionately on the Internet know of its greatness as common knowledge, but most mainstream gamers have probably forgotten that this game even exists. And yeah, I know it sold over a million copies worldwide (or at least I heard it did), but keep in mind how small a fraction of the mainstream gamer population that makes up.
If it does make the list, then that'll be awesome, but I'm calling right now that they'll probably just leave it out, especially because of that grand bias they have towards Japanese games. I mean, I feel as though they'll almost grudgingly have to rank DMC over GOW (because, lets face it, GOW, and arguably the modern Ninja Gaiden games as we know them now, would not even exist without DMC). I don't think that they'd rank Bayonetta over it as well if they feel that they can get away with leaving it out due to its smaller fan-base (even if it is a dedicated one).
I do hope that I'm wrong, though.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on June 13, 2012, 12:27:51 AM
but most mainstream gamers have probably forgotten that this game even exists.
Which is interesting since IGN of all places gave it a 9.5/10 and declared it one of the best games of all time.
You can't ignore me, Desen. .3.
Assassin's Creed 2 shouldn't be on the list at all. EK should still play the game though.
Mega Man 2 is way too low on the list. It's the best game in the series.
I have also been thinking that there's no way Bayonetta should make the list. Especially since it would have likely been mentioned already (and IMO deserves to be around the spots that have already been listed). There's no way DMC will skip getting mentioned, especially after they named Ninja Gaiden. There's no way. But watch them put GOW1 ahead of it...
Quote from: gunswordfist on June 13, 2012, 11:22:59 AM
I have also been thinking that there's no way Bayonetta should make the list. Especially since it would have likely been mentioned already (and IMO deserves to be around the spots that have already been listed). There's no way DMC will skip getting mentioned, especially after they named Ninja Gaiden. There's no way. But watch them put GOW1 ahead of it...
Bayo should be in the top 30 IMO. But Ninja Gaiden should have also been...
I hope at least one Ratchet & Clank game makes this list, but I doubt that will happen.
If this were my list, NG, DMC, and Bayo would all be in the top 20, if not the top 10, but I guess too many people would complain about those being ranked so high since most of the gaming community doesn't have the respect for the hack n' slash genre that I do, or at least those games in particular.
I'd probably put Samurai Shodown 2 at #1 to see how people would react myself.
Mark my words, #1 will be Super Mario 64.
At this point, I'll take ANYTHING over Angry Birds. Seeing that Words With Friends on the beginning of the list makes me feel that it's possible that it might show up. If that game makes it anywhere near the top 20...
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 13, 2012, 12:09:40 PM
At this point, I'll take ANYTHING over Angry Birds. Seeing that Words With Friends on the beginning of the list makes me feel that it's possible that it might show up. If that game makes it anywhere near the top 20...
OH MY FUCK NO
IF ANGRY BIRDS EVEN CRACKS THE TOP 50 I SWEAR TO GOD...
I refuse to acknowledge Angry Birds as a real video game. Its a time-killer for someone waiting at a bus or train stop or something like that. Its not an experience crafted through talent and care that can engage any real gamer through a well-crafted series of gameplay events that take some practice to get good at and feel rewarding to complete. I don't mind that Angry Birds is as popular as it is, but what ticks me off is when people actually suggest that it deserves to be among the likes of great video games like Mario and the like, when in reality its just a glorified flash game with little to no depth and no elements that really make a real video game worth playing.
Quote from: Foggle on June 13, 2012, 12:06:52 PM
Mark my words, #1 will be Super Mario 64.
Mark my words: NOPE.
Guys, it'll be Angry Birds. $20 says I'm right. :whip:
60. Contra (NES)
59. Maniac Mansion 2: Day Of The Tentacle
58. Ultima Online
57.Pokemon Red and Blue
56.Super Street Fighter IV
55.Kingdom Hearts
54.Gauntlet
53.Deus Ex
52.Rock Band 3
51.Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando
50.Sonic the Hedgehog
49.Angry Birds (Sorry, Foggle)
48.Tecmo Bowl
47.Myst
46.Red Dead Redemption
45.Metal Gear Solid
44.Grand Theft Auto IV
43.Quake III:Arena
42.Ghost's and Goblins
41.Super Mario 64
Angry Birds should not be above Sonic the Hedgehog, period. I missed the first few minutes, so that's why the first 3 entries are question marked.
EDIT: Went and edited in the title's I missed. As well as clarifying which Pokemon game.
Quote from: Rynnec on June 13, 2012, 07:58:26 PM
53.Deus Ex
51.Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando
50.Sonic the Hedgehog
49.Angry Birds
That's it. Fuck everything. It's time to remove some fuckheads from the gene pool.
.......
Ew. Get that phone game shit out of here. Also, MGS is way too low. Probably because 4 will top it.
I'll give this list credit if they go with Sonic 3 to outrank the first, but I'm starting to see the problems with the list already. And we better see more of Street Fighter and Mario, too.
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 13, 2012, 08:03:32 PM
Also, MGS is way too low.
I would be upset about that too, but at this point I am too enraged by the fact that
someone had the balls to say that fucking Angry Birds is better than Deus Ex.
Quote from: Foggle on June 13, 2012, 08:05:58 PM
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 13, 2012, 08:03:32 PM
Also, MGS is way too low.
I would be upset about that too, but at this point I am too enraged by the fact that someone had the balls to say that fucking Angry Birds is better than Deus Ex.
Shit, I forgot about that too. More ewww.
60. Contra (NES)
59. Maniac Mansion 2: Day Of The Tentacle
58. Ultima Online
This is what Rynnec missed.
Angry Birds is better than Contra? Fuck. No.
Quote from: Foggle on June 13, 2012, 08:05:58 PM
I would be upset about that too, but at this point I am too enraged by the fact that someone had the balls to say that fucking Angry Birds is better than Deus Ex.
Not to mention:
Sonic the Hedgehog
Mega Man 2
Star Fox 64
Ninja GaidenMass Effect 2 (I'm not a fan, but still, even I can see which is a substantially better game than the other)
And a bunch of other great games to boot. I'd really love to get the reasoning for that entry making it so high on the list. Even IGN had enough sense to keep that shit far away from the top 50 and gave it a really low spot on their list (and that was only counting modern games, too). Sorry, but this entry just pegs down this lists credibility by way too much, to the point where I'm going to have a hard time taking the rest of it seriously, unless the other entries are just downright spot-on.
I hope it's not one per series, because the top 10 would be flooded with Mario, Sonic, Mega Man, Zelda, and Metroid if it was. The way it should be.
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 12, 2012, 10:47:12 PM
80. Gears Of War 3
Is this the same basic game as the first two? Because I found them totally interchangable.
Quote79. Psychonauts
Deserved.
Quote78. Spy Hunter
Which one? But the original totally deserves it.
Quote77. Excitebike
Too high. The game's fun, but there's no meat to it.
Quote76. Blades Of Steel (NES)
O0
Quote75. Fallout 3
Ewww. As someone who played this... No. The game is janky, boring, and not fun at all. If this represents the whole series, then Fallout fans are gunna b madd.
Quote74. Star Fox 64
Gasp!
Quote73. Mega Man 2
................................. If 3 and X show up down the list I'll let it slide. It's STILL too low, though.
Quote72. Mortal Kombat
Won't disagree with it. But if it's one per series I would have went with the new one or II.
Quote71. Wing Commander 2: Vengeance Of The Kilrathi
I didn't even know G4 knew what the PC was!
Quote70. Star Wars Arcade
Cool, but this should mean that one per franchise isn't a rule... Because otherwise this is cheating.
Quote69. Double Dragon
Called it. No one over 30 ever actually gave Double Dragon II NES a shot. Anyone under that age whose played both knows the real deal!
Quote68. Prince Of Persia: The Sands Of Time
I always wanted to play this.
Quote67. Minecraft
I will never understand why this is big.
Quote66. Assassin's Creed 2
You know AC1? Put in better controls and that's basically the only major change. This series is extraordinarily boring.
Quote65. Unreal Tournament
Epic has never made a game not titled Gears Of War. This can't exist.
Quote64. NBA Jam
If there are not any "sim" games above this, then well earned.
Quote63. Wolfenstein 3D
If there are any CoD games above this, then it's too low.
Quote62. Sid Meier's Civilization 2
Alright.
Quote61. God Of War 3
Now... I heard this was a disappointment compared to 2, but otherwise I won't discount
A game from the series making it on here.
Quote60. Contra (NES)
50 places too low. Contra 3 and Hard Corps also belong on this list.
Quote59. Maniac Mansion 2: Day Of The Tentacle
This seems like a cheat so they don't have to list both games. The game is barely a sequel.
Quote58. Ultima Online
Figured
Let me just quote this for infinity:
Quote61. God Of War 3
60. Contra (NES)
Quote61. God Of War 3
60. Contra (NES)
Quote61. God Of War 3
60. Contra (NES)
Quote61. God Of War 3
60. Contra (NES)
Quote61. God Of War 3
60. Contra (NES)
Quote61. God Of War 3
60. Contra (NES)
Quote61. God Of War 3
60. Contra (NES)
Quote61. God Of War 3
60. Contra (NES)
Okay, I'm done being immature.
lawl
But you know it's not going to be one game per franchise. Otherwise God of War and Assassin's Creed would be done on here, and ANY list without Super Mario Bros. 3 and Street Fighter 2 (and being rather high up, mind you) would be completely non-credible.
Has either Galaxy made it yet?
Quote from: Rynnec on June 13, 2012, 07:58:26 PM
57.Pokemon
Did they note down any specific version? Well, if its just the G1 or G2 stuff, which it probably is, then I can pretty much agree with this entry and overall ranking on the list.
Quote50.Sonic the Hedgehog
I'd prefer 2 or 3 & Knuckles (perhaps they may have a chance of ranking higher on the list, but I doubt it), but I'm still fine with the first game being here as well. I'd honestly say it deserves to be higher, but at least they let it crack into the top 50, which is still more respect than I expected Sonic to get on a list like this.
Quote49.Angry Birds (Sorry, Foggle)
This game doesn't belong on any video game list, period.
Quote45.Metal Gear Solid
While I'm not a fan of stealth games, this game definitely deserves its recognition, so its a well-deserved spot on the list. Perhaps it should be higher, but its still nice to see it on the list all the same.
Quote41.Super Mario 64
I would've expected this to rank higher (but then again, this ranking seems quite like something G4 would do), yet to be fair this is actually a pretty good ranking since taking out nostalgia and bias, SM64 has been outdone by many other 3D platformers since its debut, so ranking it at this spot is pretty good since it gives the game its recognition but doesn't rank it among the best of the best since its no longer the perfect game it used to seem to be back when 3D games were just getting their footing.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on June 13, 2012, 09:05:08 PM
Quote from: Rynnec on June 13, 2012, 07:58:26 PM
57.Pokemon
Did they note down any specific version? Well, if its just the G1 or G2 stuff, which it probably is, then I can pretty much agree with this entry and overall ranking on the list.
Yes, Red & Blue.
Spy Hunter was the original. I doubt the 2001 game will be on here.
Also, Angry Birds over Pokemon has got to be some sort of cruel, sick joke.
Quote from: talonmalon333 on June 13, 2012, 09:04:49 PM
Has either Galaxy made it yet?
Nope. The only Mario game so far is 64.
Quote from: Ensatsu-kenDid they note down any specific version? Well, if its just the G1 or G2 stuff, which it probably is, then I can pretty much agree with this entry and overall ranking on the list.
It was only Gen I. As long as Gen IV or V place higher, then I'm cool with Red and Blue being 57.
Quote57.Pokemon
Uh, which one?
Quote56.Super Street Fighter IV
If Third Strike and II Turbo are on here, I'll let it slide.
Quote55.Kingdom Hearts
Expected. But this hopefully is not the highest rated Disney game.
Quote54.Gauntlet
Too high, but it totally belongs on here.
Quote53.Deus Ex
There are CoD games rated higher than this... Wow.
Quote52.Rock Band 3
I guess, but 2 has the best setlist.
Quote51.Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando
Too low, if this is the only entry. If it isn't, then fine.
Quote50.Sonic the Hedgehog
... This is the 1991 game, right? I'm assuming there's more than one per franchise then, because they aren't NOT going to rank 2.
Quote49.Angry Birds (Sorry, Foggle)
Angry Birds is a better game than Mega Man 2?... Sigh.
Quote48.Tecmo Bowl
Great choice.
Quote47.Myst
Expected. Way too high.
Quote46.Red Dead Redemption
Too high.
Quote45.Metal Gear Solid
Perfect. Now hopefully this is the series only ranking.
Quote44.Grand Theft Auto IV
Oscar worthy inclusion. WAY too high and it's not even the best entry.
Quote43.Quake III:Arena
I'm worried that no modern FPS games have been listed yet. I just know a Killzone game is going to outrank DOOM.
Quote42.Ghost's and Goblins
Safe pick. Should have went with a sequel.
Quote41.Super Mario 64
So this list will have only 3 N64 games? We're really retconning this system into irrelevancy.
This list is starting to turn south.
Quote from: Spark of Spirit44.Grand Theft Auto IV
Oscar worthy inclusion. WAY too high and it's not even the best entry.
I'm sure Vice City and San Andreas will make the list. Not too sure about III though (even though it deserves to be higher than IV, since that's the game that put GTA on the map).
Also went and edited my post to clarify the Pokemon game.
I just thought of something- what if WOW makes the top 10, or higher?
Quote from: Rynnec on June 13, 2012, 09:19:38 PM
Quote from: Spark of Spirit44.Grand Theft Auto IV
Oscar worthy inclusion. WAY too high and it's not even the best entry.
I'm sure Vice City and San Andreas will make the list. Not too sure about III though (even though it deserves to be higher than IV, since that's the game that put GTA on the map).
Also went and edited my post to clarify the Pokemon game.
III was like the Ocarina Of Time of the open world genre. It would be silly to dismiss everything it did just because the sequels improved on it. They all simply built on 3's base.
Also, Red & Blue? Uh okay, but hopefully that means Gold & Silver and Black & White are still to come. I'm fine with it being ranked, but the formula (unlike GTA's) has come a long way since it hit it big.
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 13, 2012, 09:24:23 PM
I just thought of something- what if WOW makes the top 10, or higher?
Good point. I see it in the top 20.
As for Blizzard, Starcraft II and Diablo II seem like surefire inclusions.
... Some times I feel like I'm the only one who ever played the original Diablo. That game was class. But no one ever brings it up any more.
All of my Diablo-obsessed friends have good memories of the first, along with the second and the third, which they're hooked on now.
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 13, 2012, 09:24:23 PM
I just thought of something- what if WOW makes the top 10, or higher?
I'm biased as fuck, but no MMOs should make the list at all IMO.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 13, 2012, 09:26:24 PM
... Some times I feel like I'm the only one who ever played the original Diablo. That game was class. But no one ever brings it up any more.
I've clocked maybe 100 hours on it. Possibly more. But I vastly prefer 2.
I hope they list Final Fight. Just so I can see a coin-op arcade beat em up listed above a modern console one.
By the way, here's the top 10:
10. DOOM II
9. Sonic The Hedgehog CD
8. Super Mario World
7. The Secret Of Monkey Island
6. Sonic The Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles (Just kidding! The press never lists these!)
5. Super Mario Galaxy 2
4. The Legend Of Zelda: A Link To The Past
3. Super Metroid
2. The Legend Of Zelda: Ocarina Of Time
1. Super Mario Bros. 3
That's sensible AND realistic.
Won't happen.
Really, I'd think that SFII Tubbo (or regular II, since again, the press doesn't list the differences) would make it if any of these do as well.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 13, 2012, 09:35:07 PM
10. DOOM II
Too old.
Quote9. Sonic The Hedgehog CD
Too old.
Quote8. Super Mario World
Too old.
Quote7. The Secret Of Monkey Island
Too old.
Quote6. Sonic The Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles (Just kidding! The press never lists these!)
Too old.
Quote5. Super Mario Galaxy 2
Wii game.
Quote4. The Legend Of Zelda: A Link To The Past
Too old.
Quote3. Super Metroid
Too old.
Quote2. The Legend Of Zelda: Ocarina Of Time
This will probably be in the top 5.
Quote1. Super Mario Bros. 3
Too old.
Quote from: Foggle on June 13, 2012, 09:38:55 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 13, 2012, 09:35:07 PM
10. DOOM II
Too old.
Quote9. Sonic The Hedgehog CD
Too old.
Quote8. Super Mario World
Too old.
Quote7. The Secret Of Monkey Island
Too old.
Quote6. Sonic The Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles (Just kidding! The press never lists these!)
Too old.
Quote5. Super Mario Galaxy 2
Wii game.
Quote4. The Legend Of Zelda: A Link To The Past
Too old.
Quote3. Super Metroid
Too old.
Quote2. The Legend Of Zelda: Ocarina Of Time
This will probably be in the top 5.
Quote1. Super Mario Bros. 3
Too old.
You're most likely right.
That's not what I'd pick 100%, but it is something I think most could agree with.
That said, Metroid Prime will probably be rated over Super Metroid. And I doubt Fusion or Zero Mission will get mentioned at all.
I doubt any GBA game will make it, honestly. Or many handheld games besides the most obvious ones, like Pokemon.
If Yoshi's Island doesn't make it on this list, then it officially has no credibility in my book.
Here's what I'm expecting to make the top 10, in any given order:
Halo game
CoD game
Uncharted game
Elder Scrolls game (probably Skyrim)
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Resident Evil 4
Mario game (probably the original, but if they have enough sense to them it'll be SMB3 or at least SMW)
World of Warcraft
And the remaining 2 spots will probably be filled by either generic movie games or some safe choices that are just there to show "respect for the classics" to prevent backlash from older gamers.
ANGRY BIRDS ACTUALLY MADE IT AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Credibility = :rtard:
I'm disappointed the only pre-NES games are Pitfall, Burger Time, and Pong.
Night Stalker was a great and under-looked game, as was River Raid. But I guess you have to be in your 40s or late 30s to have played them, since gamers aren't going to seek them out.
What I think should make it: (And I'll try to be as realistic as possible without going obscure)
NES:
Mega Man 3
Chip n Dale Rescue Rangers
DuckTales
River City Ransom
Ninja Gaiden II
Castlevania III
Life Force
TMNT III (They will choose II, though)
Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario Bros. 2 (USA)
Super Mario Bros. 3
Sega Genesis:
Phantasy Star IV
World Of Illusion
Sonic The Hedgehog 2
Sonic The Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles (they won't list this, though. I'm 100% sure)
Streets Of Rage 2
Gunstar Heroes
The Revenge Of Shinobi
Shinobi III
Contra Hard Corps.
Arcade/Neo Geo:
Donkey Kong (Not gonna happen)
R-Type
Street Fighter II (Random spin off)
Street Fighter III (Third Strike)
Garou: Mark Of The Wolves
King Of Fighter '98
Samurai Shodown 2
Last Blade 2
Soul Calibur (yep, the original)
Sunset Riders
Final Fight
Metal Slug X
Metal Slug 3
SNES:
Mega Man X
Super Metroid
Earthbound
Chrono Trigger
Final Fantasy VI
Contra III: The Alien Wars
TMNT: Turtles In Time
Kirby Super Star
Donkey Kong Country 2 (Only DKC1 will make the list)
Super Mario World
Yoshi's Island
Anything beyond this is probably obvious or not on the list already. Since only OoT will be on above SM64 for the 64 games, and I doubt many PS1 games will get the nod over MGS1.
It's G4. There won't be any more 2D games aside from SMB 1 or 3.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 13, 2012, 11:50:24 PM
Anything beyond this is probably obvious or not on the list already. Since only OoT will be on above SM64 for the 64 games, and I doubt many PS1 games will get the nod over MGS1.
FFVII will.
Then G4 is wrong, Foggle. :-* Unfortunately, there's too many 2D classics for a top 100 list to not be at least 80:20 in favor of them.
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 13, 2012, 11:52:54 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 13, 2012, 11:50:24 PM
Anything beyond this is probably obvious or not on the list already. Since only OoT will be on above SM64 for the 64 games, and I doubt many PS1 games will get the nod over MGS1.
FFVII will.
Good catch.
So there's your top 45. :p
I would agree that FFVII would make the list... If it wasn't for X-Play bashing Final Fantasy VII at one point during a segment called your Childhood Sucked.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 13, 2012, 11:55:57 PM
Unfortunately, there's too many 2D classics for a top 100 list to not be at least 80:20 in favor of them.
If I was making this list, I'd split it 50-50.
As for dark horses:
Duke Nukem 3D
DOOM II (Again, I expect only the original)
Worms Armageddon
Conker's Bad Fur Day
WWF No Mercy
Diddy Kong Racing
Tomba!
Crash Bandicoot (one of the three)
Crash Team Racing
Sonic CD
Viewtiful Joe
Super Monkey Ball
Wind Waker
The Red Star
Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal (I think they figure one is enough)
Power Stone 2
Jet Set Radio
...
See, I get to way too many classic before I even get to the current gen.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 13, 2012, 11:50:24 PM
Samurai Shodown 2
And knowing my luck, this will be #41, or completely forgotten.
Hey guys, here's an idea; we should make our own top 100 games ever list.
Just like the top 65 cartoons list, eh? :happytime:
Duke Nukem 3D, F.E.A.R., and Half-Life should be on this list above any CoD or Halo game.
But they won't be. None of those three will make it, though Half-Life 2 probably has a shot.
Quote from: Kiddington on June 14, 2012, 12:10:49 AM
Hey guys, here's an idea; we should make our own top 100 games ever list.
Just like the top 65 cartoons list, eh? :happytime:
We're still an animation site, honest.
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 14, 2012, 12:10:11 AM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 13, 2012, 11:50:24 PM
Samurai Shodown 2
And knowing my luck, this will be #4, or completely forgotten.
This used to be on all the best game lists before the fighter genre died. Since it came back, no one remembers it.
It's still an ace game, though. One of SNK's best with Garou, Shock Troopers, and Metal Slug 3.
Quote from: Kiddington on June 14, 2012, 12:10:49 AM
Hey guys, here's an idea; we should make our own top 100 games ever list.
Just like the top 65 cartoons list, eh? :happytime:
But I already basically made the top 60. :>
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 12:12:30 AM
But I already basically made the top 60. :>
...but you didn't rank them. :humhumhum:
I think some of you talked about making a modern gaming list around the time IGN made theirs, but that never turned into anything.
Quote from: Foggle on June 14, 2012, 12:11:59 AM
Duke Nukem 3D, F.E.A.R., and Half-Life should be on this list above any CoD or Halo game.
But they won't be. None of those three will make it, though Half-Life 2 probably has a shot.
Deus Ex was already tossed to the back of the list, I think predicting anything for the FPS genre is a bit too difficult now.
Watch a random pick like Battlefield 3 make the top ten or something.
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 14, 2012, 12:14:28 AM
I think some of you talked about making a modern gaming list around the time IGN made theirs, but that never turned into anything.
I don't even think I could pick 100 on my own, much less collaborate with the hack n slash freak, the PC nut, the furry, or the guy who thinks the best game ever made is a toss up between Skyward Sword or a pile of garbage.
Deluded retro gamer walks alone.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 12:17:49 AM
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 14, 2012, 12:14:28 AM
I think some of you talked about making a modern gaming list around the time IGN made theirs, but that never turned into anything.
I don't even think I could pick 100 on my own, much less collaborate with the hack n slash freak, the PC nut, the furry, or the guy who thinks the best game ever made is a toss up between Skyward Sword or a pile of garbage.
Deluded retro gamer walks alone.
Which one am I? :thinkin:
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 12:15:32 AM
Deus Ex was already tossed to the back of the list, I think predicting anything for the FPS genre is a bit too difficult now.
It usually ranks in the top 10, too. PC Gamer is especially adamant about it being the best game ever made.
As long as the greatest game of all time, CODBLOPS, is #1...
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 12:17:49 AM
the furry
Wait, who is this supposed to be? GSF?
#1 is Bejewled, mark my words.
It was actually a reference to Daxdiv that he probably doesn't even remember.
I actually consider Avaitor and RSW the "normal" ones here. ;)
Quote from: Foggle on June 14, 2012, 12:19:17 AMGSF?
Who?
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 12:22:21 AM
I actually consider Avaitor and RSW the "normal" ones here. ;)
wut
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 12:22:21 AM
I actually consider Avaitor and RSW the "normal" ones here. ;)
BUT WHAT ABOUT ME :srs:
Quote from: Foggle on June 14, 2012, 12:24:25 AM
Quote from: Kiddington on June 14, 2012, 12:23:20 AM
BUT WHAT ABOUT ME :srs:
You're a horse.
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.static.flickr.com%2F2544%2F4071450590_5395a54156.jpg&hash=b0ec7e163494fc780a7bdaaf1f516f338e5fb007)
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 14, 2012, 12:23:05 AM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 12:22:21 AM
I actually consider Avaitor and RSW the "normal" ones here. ;)
wut
I should have specified in gaming. Otherwise.. :o
Quote from: Kiddington on June 14, 2012, 12:23:20 AM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 12:22:21 AM
I actually consider Avaitor and RSW the "normal" ones here. ;)
BUT WHAT ABOUT ME :srs:
You know that episode of South Park from season 2 where the guy was frozen in time since like 1996. That's you. .3.
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Farch.413chan.net%2Fdr_mr_horse-%28n1296889837641%29.jpg&hash=8b09742be5b897f84ac72517013663cae86b3697)
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 14, 2012, 12:26:31 AM
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Farch.413chan.net%2Fdr_mr_horse-%28n1296889837641%29.jpg&hash=8b09742be5b897f84ac72517013663cae86b3697)
Thank you for not posting his last appearance I might have banned myself.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 12:25:48 AM
You know that episode of South Park from season 2 where the guy was frozen in time since like 1996. That's you. .3.
:awesome:
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 12:25:48 AM
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 14, 2012, 12:23:05 AM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 12:22:21 AM
I actually consider Avaitor and RSW the "normal" ones here. ;)
wut
I should have specified in gaming. Otherwise.. :o
Yeah, but even in gaming, I'm VERY limited. I mostly just know my Nintendo and a few things otherwise. Besides that, I'm way behind the times and not too well-versed in the old school myself.
And yeah, I know how weird I get otherwise. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWFWRLE1X3Q) :swoon:
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 12:25:48 AMQuote from: Kiddington on June 14, 2012, 12:23:20 AM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 12:22:21 AM
I actually consider Avaitor and RSW the "normal" ones here. ;)
BUT WHAT ABOUT ME :srs:
You know that episode of South Park from season 2 where the guy was frozen in time since like 1996. That's you. .3.
I thought that would be Comeau.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 12:27:11 AM
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 14, 2012, 12:26:31 AM
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Farch.413chan.net%2Fdr_mr_horse-%28n1296889837641%29.jpg&hash=8b09742be5b897f84ac72517013663cae86b3697)
Thank you for not posting his last appearance I might have banned myself.
Seriously though, Beavis & Butthead did this exact same episode a decade earlier in less than half the length, and a hell of a lot funnier and less gross.
But it wouldn't be John K. if it wasn't disgusting and stupid as fuck.
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 14, 2012, 12:30:42 AM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 12:25:48 AM
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 14, 2012, 12:23:05 AM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 12:22:21 AM
I actually consider Avaitor and RSW the "normal" ones here. ;)
wut
I should have specified in gaming. Otherwise.. :o
Yeah, but even in gaming, I'm VERY limited. I mostly just know my Nintendo and a few things otherwise. Besides that, I'm way behind the times and not too well-versed in the old school myself.
You'd be surprised at how normal that is, actually.
QuoteQuote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 12:25:48 AMQuote from: Kiddington on June 14, 2012, 12:23:20 AM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 12:22:21 AM
I actually consider Avaitor and RSW the "normal" ones here. ;)
BUT WHAT ABOUT ME :srs:
You know that episode of South Park from season 2 where the guy was frozen in time since like 1996. That's you. .3.
I thought that would be Comeau.
I always consider him a human loop of 1991-1998 played on repeat. Like that part in Speed.
Minus Dennis Hopper freaking out and blowing up Jeff Daniels.
I'm a furry? Well I will admit that my favorite characters to play in DOTA 2 are animal based, like Ulfsaar the Ursa Warrior, Banehollow the Lycanthrope, Mangix the Brewmaster, Levianthan the TideHunter and Slardar. But wow, does that have to do with my like of Pokemon?
So...who would I be in all of this? :awesome:
Anyway, time to prove Spark wrong. Here is my top 25 best games of all time list. Not biased toward any specific platform at all.
25. Neverwinter Nights
24. Crusader: No Regret
23. Cryostasis
22. Dungeon Keeper 2
21. Diablo 2
20. Freespace 2
19. Thief Gold
18. Blake Stone: Aliens of Gold
17. Sacrifice
16. Anachronox
15. Master of Orion 2
14. Baldur's Gate 2
13. Half-Life: Opposing Force
12. Star Wars: X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter
11. Amnesia: The Dark Descent
10. The Elder Scrolls 2: Daggerfall
9. Jagged Alliance 2
8. Chex Quest
7. Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
6. Fallout 2
5. Grim Fandango
4. Thief 2: The Metal Age
3. Planescape Torment
2. Outcast
1. Catacomb 3D
Quote from: Rynnec on June 14, 2012, 12:39:39 AM
So...who would I be in all of this? :awesome:
The living embodiment of:
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgardnerman.com%2Fimages%2Fshots%2Fmsn%2F17.jpg&hash=4b6ab850b2b14cb2d0b04f0a03b598cb6085922c)
That's right, I have stereotypes for everyone!
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 12:44:42 AM
Quote from: Rynnec on June 14, 2012, 12:39:39 AM
So...who would I be in all of this? :awesome:
The living embodiment of:
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgardnerman.com%2Fimages%2Fshots%2Fmsn%2F17.jpg&hash=4b6ab850b2b14cb2d0b04f0a03b598cb6085922c)
That's right, I have stereotypes for everyone!
As you write this I imagine you with Canadian Maple Leaf on your shirt.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 12:44:42 AM
Quote from: Rynnec on June 14, 2012, 12:39:39 AM
So...who would I be in all of this? :awesome:
The living embodiment of:
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgardnerman.com%2Fimages%2Fshots%2Fmsn%2F17.jpg&hash=4b6ab850b2b14cb2d0b04f0a03b598cb6085922c)
That's right, I have stereotypes for everyone!
So I'm a red X? Truly I knew I was a unique and special snowflake. :>
I'll stick with that! :imnothappy:
Quote from: Daxdiv on June 14, 2012, 12:45:38 AM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 12:44:42 AM
Quote from: Rynnec on June 14, 2012, 12:39:39 AM
So...who would I be in all of this? :awesome:
The living embodiment of:
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgardnerman.com%2Fimages%2Fshots%2Fmsn%2F17.jpg&hash=4b6ab850b2b14cb2d0b04f0a03b598cb6085922c)
That's right, I have stereotypes for everyone!
As you write this I imagine you with Canadian Maple Leaf on your shirt.
You're just upset because I called you a furry. My Maple Leaf's Jersey (That's right, I'm in Habs country and I'm wearing a Leaf's jersey- come at me, yo!) compels me to call you the equivalent of this:
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.wikia.com%2Fpokemon%2Fimages%2F1%2F1b%2F1246231129_1755_full.png&hash=580bb8cb12ec467f58e94a0e5cf68586e97fc5d5)
Is that better?
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F24.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m58c3qAIVR1r5znr2o4_500.gif&hash=d6bd39f2d9d7b854d92d4dac3855bd3c4680fb19)
If Spark was a women, I always pictured him looking something like this:
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_0Usvs1YaLw0%2FTS-XLFuUMsI%2FAAAAAAAAARM%2FyBV1Vdp4Sok%2Fs1600%2FRobinScherbatsky595-2.jpg&hash=1539cbea153e65e0a76de4af9b3a3864b261f1ff)
The traitor dropped her accent.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 12:51:49 AM
I'll stick with that! :imnothappy:
Quote from: Daxdiv on June 14, 2012, 12:45:38 AM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 12:44:42 AM
Quote from: Rynnec on June 14, 2012, 12:39:39 AM
So...who would I be in all of this? :awesome:
The living embodiment of:
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgardnerman.com%2Fimages%2Fshots%2Fmsn%2F17.jpg&hash=4b6ab850b2b14cb2d0b04f0a03b598cb6085922c)
That's right, I have stereotypes for everyone!
As you write this I imagine you with Canadian Maple Leaf on your shirt.
You're just upset because I called you a furry. My Maple Leaf's Jersey (That's right, I'm in Habs country and I'm wearing a Leaf's jersey- come at me, yo!) compels me to call you the equivalent of this:
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.wikia.com%2Fpokemon%2Fimages%2F1%2F1b%2F1246231129_1755_full.png&hash=580bb8cb12ec467f58e94a0e5cf68586e97fc5d5)
Is that better?
So I'm gay then? You know, I'm actually listen to the Book of Mormon soundtrack right now and whenever Andrew Rannels songs come up, instead of imagining him as Elder Price, I always imagine Harley from Pokemon. Makes shit more hilarious for me.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 12:57:35 AM
The traitor dropped her accent.
Only sober. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_PIixlTHfQ)
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 14, 2012, 12:59:01 AM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 12:57:35 AM
The traitor dropped her accent.
Only sober. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_PIixlTHfQ)
Wow, I never saw that scene before.
That was one of the weirdest, but funniest, moments on the show. :D
You kinda miss the context of it when you don't see how it arrives. That episode is probably in my top 10 or 5.
Also, this is my vote for Desen as a chick.
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_l879fnCiqE1qcpk7ao1_250.png&hash=3d841e5a9a6db9d377c1691d43a26c511467a7ff)
I mean, they both play drums!
We're doing Rule 63 of me?
This site gets odd sometimes. :thinkin:
I'm sorry, that was my fault. :blush: :humhumhum:
I'd like to think that she is me in female form
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages5.fanpop.com%2Fimage%2Fphotos%2F30400000%2FJade-jade-west-and-cat-valentine-30454179-500-375.jpg&hash=bd2ae2640691b05e21f50cdf59bab866a28cd1a0)
But it's really her
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages4.fanpop.com%2Fimage%2Fphotos%2F17400000%2FAriana-Grande-as-Cat-Valentine-ariana-grande-17480491-676-597.jpg&hash=e4f5f225071d47f219dd49270397dc4b137e6b68)
And this is why it ranked so high on my list. ;)
I always considered Demi Lovato the rule 63 version of Comeau.
If you think about it, it all fits.
First person who makes a skyscraper joke is banned.
But wait, you mean he swallows bugs on stage and changes his hair color every 3 weeks?
GUYSGUYSGUYS WHAT'S MY RULE 63!?!?
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 14, 2012, 01:11:36 AM
First person who makes a skyscraper joke is banned.
But wait, you mean he swallows bugs on stage and changes his hair color every 3 weeks?
He used to be a punk kid, so he probably did both of those while listening to blink 182 and doing kickflips.
I just assume my Rule 63 is any one of the cast from FiM. Probably Applejack, when it gets right down to it.
I mean, after all, I am a horse. :awesome:
Quote from: Foggle on June 14, 2012, 01:12:57 AM
GUYSGUYSGUYS WHAT'S MY RULE 63!?!?
The image I was gonna use is not working for me now, but Excel.
Quote from: Kiddington on June 14, 2012, 01:15:36 AM
I just assume my Rule 63 is any one of the cast from FiM. Probably Applejack, when it gets right down to it.
I mean, after all, I am a horse. :awesome:
Your avatar really does suit you well. :lol:
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 14, 2012, 01:16:46 AM
The image I was gonna use is not working for me now, but Excel.
Anime or manga? :oo:
Disturbingly accurate.
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi50.tinypic.com%2Ffx5r4n.jpg&hash=489e639b201ee984cb9c1324423510f68669240b)
I am truly a detestable creature.
What about my Rule 63 guys? Huh? HUH? HUH?
Neat I'm normal.
I think it helps that my favorite games are platforms, puzzles and fighting and arcade like games.
Quote from: Rynnec on June 13, 2012, 07:58:26 PM
60. Contra (NES)
59. Maniac Mansion 2: Day Of The Tentacle
58. Ultima Online
57.Pokemon Red and Blue
56.Super Street Fighter IV
55.Kingdom Hearts
54.Gauntlet
53.Deus Ex
52.Rock Band 3
51.Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando
50.Sonic the Hedgehog
49.Angry Birds (Sorry, Foggle)
48.Tecmo Bowl
47.Myst
46.Red Dead Redemption
45.Metal Gear Solid
44.Grand Theft Auto IV
43.Quake III:Arena
42.Ghost's and Goblins
41.Super Mario 64
Angry Birds should not be above Sonic the Hedgehog, period. I missed the first few minutes, so that's why the first 3 entries are question marked.
EDIT: Went and edited in the title's I missed. As well as clarifying which Pokemon game.
LMAO. Angry Birds above Deus Ex and a Ratchet game. I bet Foggle has already done a backflip off of a building.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 13, 2012, 08:58:34 PM
Quote66. Assassin's Creed 2
You know AC1? Put in better controls and that's basically the only major change. This series is extraordinarily boring.
Quote
Um, no. Assassin's Creed 2 is much better than 1, if not just for the simple fact that 1 is painful to play. .3.
Quote from: Kiddington on June 14, 2012, 12:10:49 AM
Hey guys, here's an idea; we should make our own top 100 games ever list.
Just like the top 65 cartoons list, eh? :happytime:
This might explain why this thread has so many new posts.
40.Space Invaders
39.Tony Hawk's Pro Skater(first one)
38.Super Metroid
37.Halo: Combat Evolved
36.Game of the Year: 10 out of 10 Batman Arkham City
35.Castlevania Symphony of the Night
34.Counterstrike
33.Final Fantasy VII
32.Mike Tyson's Punch Out!
31.Skyrim
30.Super Street Fighter II Turbo
29.Knights of the Old Republic
28.Super Mario Kart
27.Chrono Trigger
26.Ico
25.Grand Theft Auto III
24.Madden NFL 2005 (-_-;)
23.Halo 3
22.Panzer Dragoon Saga
21.Resident Evil 4
Eh, I guess it's better than yesterday's, but really, Madden over Chrono Trigger? Still, Panzer Dragoon was a nice suprise, though, I guess it should have been expected. I guess Skyrim's placement means that Oblivion and Morrowind might not make the list?
The good news? Goldeneye, SMB, A Link to the Past, and Doom were spotted in the preview for tommorow's episode. And I believe Shadow of the Colosus was seen too. We should brace ourselves for massive FPS wanking regardless. And I know WoW will make the top 20 (it was seen as well).
WHY IS TONY HAWK 1 HERE OVER 2?!!!!
Being the first =/= being the best
Wait, fuck that, WHY IS SFIIT ONLY NUMBER FUCKING THIRTY?
Quote from: Rynnec on June 14, 2012, 08:02:52 PM
24.Madden NFL 2005 (-_-;)
Why?
Why? :cry:
They might as well just throw the whole damn series (IE Madden, NBA2K, etc.) onto the list as one spot if they insist on sport sim representation. It'd make so much more sense than selecting individual versions of games that hardly, if at all, differ from their previous outing (outside of updated rosters). Seriously, what makes 2005 any better than 2004? Or 2006? Are they just huge Ray Lewis fans or something, and him being the cover athlete was what put it over the top?
The gameplay mechanics remain relatively unchanged in each passing version. It's a
realistic interpretation of NFL Football; not a whole lot of places you can go that'll really set one year's game apart from the next.
Here we go.
Quote from: Rynnec on June 14, 2012, 08:02:52 PM
40.Space Invaders
Trying too hard. Even fans of this would be hard pressed to rank it this high. Great game, though.
Quote39.Tony Hawk's Pro Skater(first one)
I would have picked 2 for the best middle-ground, but THPS1 was pretty amazing when it came out. I still think it's great now.
Quote38.Super Metroid
Wow, 30 places too low. The should try playing this some time, it's still an amazing game and one of the best of all time.
Quote37.Halo: Combat Evolved
Respectable. Now if this is the only Halo game, that should be good.
Quote36.Game of the Year: 10 out of 10 Batman Arkham City
Too soon to rank. The game is a year out and you've decided it's better than games welll over two decades old? Come on, here.
Quote35.Castlevania Symphony of the Night
If I don't see III or IV, then I'm lost here. This game is great, but it's not better than Super Metroid.
Quote34.Counterstrike
Okay.
Quote33.Final Fantasy VII
And that's the PS1.
Quote32.Mike Tyson's Punch Out!
If you can put Arkham on here, you can put the Wii one on here. The Wii one is way better than the NES game.
Quote31.Skyrim
Too soon.
Quote30.Super Street Fighter II Turbo
Classic.
Quote29.Knights of the Old Republic
A bit high for my tastes, but okay.
Quote28.Super Mario Kart
Classic.
Quote27.Chrono Trigger
Classic.
Quote26.Ico
.... This game is really not THAT good. It's certainly not better than Super Metroid or Chrono Trigger.
Quote25.Grand Theft Auto III
Good, it wasn't forgotten.
Quote24.Madden NFL 2005 (-_-;)
Wha? Come on, here...
Quote23.Halo 3
... Huh? Why is this even on the list never mind above the original?
Quote22.Panzer Dragoon Saga
Sega only made two systems, this doesn't exist.
Quote21.Resident Evil 4
Well, I guess 2 isn't on the list.
But... uh...
Quote38.Super Metroid
35.Castlevania Symphony of the Night
... WHAT?
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 08:16:02 PM
Trying too hard. Even fans of this would be hard pressed to rank it this high. Great game, though.
And there's no way it's better than Galaga...
Galaga gets my vote for the best arcade game of the original age and is better than Space Invaders in every way conceivable.
Tomorrow is going to blowwwww
Mark my words, one of these will be #1-
Super Mario Bros.
Any random COD game from Modern Warfare onward
Uncharted 2
Bejewled
Quote from: Rynnec on June 14, 2012, 08:02:52 PM
40.Space Invaders
Well, at least we're still getting some pre-NES games, here. I liked the game well enough, myself, but I have no idea how well its stacks up with the more obscure pre-NES games that other people are claiming should make a top 100 list like this.
Quote39.Tony Hawk's Pro Skater(first one)
Fair enough, but I like 2 and 3 better (3 is the best one, IMO)....actually I take back what I said about it being fair, as this entry is way too high. I do think it belongs on the list, but not in the top 50, honestly.
Quote38.Super Metroid
This spot actually seems kind of low, honestly.
Quote37.Halo: Combat Evolved
This....is actually a really good spot, honestly. Yeah, I pretty much agree with this ranking. Its not too high or too low. It feels just right for this game.
Quote36.Game of the Year: 10 out of 10 Batman Arkham City
Way too high. I like the game, but its honestly very overrated by the critics. Its just a good game, but its nowhere near being great.
Quote35.Castlevania Symphony of the Night
Someday I will finally get around to playing this game.
Quote32.Mike Tyson's Punch Out!
Safe choice, but it deserves it.
Quote31.Skyrim
I actually would have expected this to be higher, but I'm not complaining about it being kept out of the top 30, myself.
Quote30.Super Street Fighter II Turbo
As long as this is the highest ranked fighting game on the list, I'm fine with it placing here, since I don't think that anyone can deny the influence and importance this game had on the entire genre.
Quote29.Knights of the Old Republic
YES! This game deserves to be here. I am SO glad that this made it much higher than Mass Effect 2, since I like the KOTOR games way more than ME, personally.
Quote28.Super Mario Kart
Seems about right, and it deserves it.
Quote27.Chrono Trigger
The closest I've ever come to beating a JRPG that's not a Pokemon game, which is to say that I liked it, even if I still couldn't be bothered to finish it. So, it probably deserves to be here.
Quote25.Grand Theft Auto III
A fair enough ranking, and I'm glad that it placed higher than GTA IV.
Quote24.Madden NFL 2005 (-_-;)
:srs:
Quote23.Halo 3
WAY too high. This should also not be ahead of the first game.
Quote21.Resident Evil 4
I honestly would have expected this to make the top 10, or at the very least the top 20, so color me surprised that it didn't make it in either, especially since I think that it deserves to be ranked higher than this.
QuoteThe good news? Goldeneye, SMB, A Link to the Past, and Doom were spotted in the preview for tommorow's episode. And I believe Shadow of the Colosus was seen too. We should brace ourselves for massive FPS wanking regardless. And I know WoW will make the top 20 (it was seen as well).
Once again, regardless of what else happens, if Yoshi's Island doesn't make it on the list, then it loses all credibility, period.
I really hope Goldeneye is not higher on the list than Doom.
And I don't care what anyone says, Shadow of the Colossus does not deserve a top 20 spot...
I'm sure Shadow of the Colossus is a great or at least respectable game, but I've been turned off from both this and Ico ever since one of its devoted fans had the gall to tell me that Ninja Gaiden Black and NG2 were all flash and no substance and that Shadow of the Colossus was a better action game. I can NEVER take that seriously.
Slowdown of the Colossus is also a good game that gets rated way too high, but that's Ueda for you. Makes good games that have atmosphere and it takes them from "good" to "best ever" to most folks.
We have 20 games left and not a single CoD game has been listed yet.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on June 14, 2012, 08:26:20 PM
I'm sure Shadow of the Colossus is a great or at least respectable game, but I've been turned off from both this and Ico ever since one of its devoted fans had the gall to tell me that Ninja Gaiden Black and NG2 were all flash and no substance and that Shadow of the Colossus was a better action game. I can NEVER take that seriously.
I just... I don't know. They aren't fun (for me). They have cool ideas and are well made, I suppose, but I just don't find them enjoyable. They're pretty trite as far as action games go IMO.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 08:27:05 PM
We have 20 games left and not a single CoD game has been listed yet.
Blops still has a shot at #1! :joy:
I'll actually give this list some credit if it can refrain from listing any CoD games besides CoD4/MW1 (which, lets face it, is a pretty obvious top 20 entry for this particular list).
If they wanted to put Arkham City and Skyrim on the list so badly, they should've taken over Ways with Words and Angry Birds spots instead. And Madden shouldn't even be on here.
Sadly, I doubt Yoshi's Island will make this list. :-[ Not too suprising, but still dissapointing.
QuoteSega only made two systems, this doesn't exist
Not too big on Panzer Dragoon (and possibly Nights), I take it?
I can't take a list seriously when it places Angry Birds in the top 50 but Yoshi's Island is nowhere to be seen on the list, period. That's implying that Yoshi's Island is not in league with the best games of all time and is totally outclassed by a game like Angry Birds which apparently is one of the best games ever made. That's a load of shit.
Let me try again for the top 20:
20 - Devil May Cry 3
19 - Starcraft II
18 - Super Mario Bros.
17 - DOOM
16 - Final Fantasy VI
15 - GoldenEye (YEP, ABOVE DOOM!)
14 - Super Mario World
13 - Metroid Prime
12 - Sonic The Hedgehog 2
11 - Bayonetta
10 - Gran Turismo 5
9 - Legend Of Zelda: A Link To The Past
8 - Bejeweled
7 - Super Mario Bros. 3
6 - World Of Warcraft
5 - Killzone 2
4 - Shadow Of The Colossus
3 - Call Of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
2 - Uncharted 2
1 - Tetris
That hurt to type. Because that's just... wrong.
Sadly, that would not surprise me in the least.
If Madden 05 was so great, why do people not just keep that one and not buy the new ones? The game can't be that good, then.
Quote from: Rynnec on June 14, 2012, 08:32:43 PMQuoteSega only made two systems, this doesn't exist
Not too big on Panzer Dragoon (and possibly Nights), I take it?
Just the opposite. The saturn had a lot of great games, but apparently only one of them is good enough to make this list. The lack of Radiant Silvergun is criminal.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 08:35:41 PM
Let me try again for the top 20:
20 - Devil May Cry 3
18 - Super Mario Bros.
17 - DOOM
16 - Final Fantasy VI
14 - Super Mario World
13 - Metroid Prime
12 - Sonic The Hedgehog 2
11 - Bayonetta
9 - Legend Of Zelda: A Link To The Past
7 - Super Mario Bros. 3
All of these games are deserving of those positions IMO.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 08:35:41 PM
8 - Bejeweled
6 - World Of Warcraft
5 - Killzone 2
4 - Shadow Of The Colossus
3 - Call Of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
2 - Uncharted 2
1 - Tetris
Fuck. No. :burn:
I just realized there isn't a single Treasure game on this list.
So it's automatically invalid.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 08:38:23 PM
If Madden 05 was so great, why do people not just keep that one and not buy the new ones? The game can't be that good, then.
Quote from: Rynnec on June 14, 2012, 08:32:43 PMQuoteSega only made two systems, this doesn't exist
Not too big on Panzer Dragoon (and possibly Nights), I take it?
Just the opposite. The saturn had a lot of great games, but apparently only one of them is good enough to make this list. The lack of Radiant Silvergun is criminal.
Ah, gotcha. Come to think of it, there's also a lack of Nights too. Wasn't that
the game for the Saturn, like how SM64 was
the game for the N64?
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 08:38:23 PM
If Madden 05 was so great, why do people not just keep that one and not buy the new ones? The game can't be that good, then.
This man gets it.
...and this is the problem I have with sports sims. 90% of the time, they're not even new games; it's last years model with a fresh coat of paint, a new cover athlete, new soundtrack, new team attributes, and updated rosters. That's it. Gameplay mechanics rarely ever differ between years, and to call one out as simply being that much greater than the rest, when it's barely any different at all, seems like a silly waste of time.
Quote from: Rynnec on June 14, 2012, 08:43:54 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 08:38:23 PM
If Madden 05 was so great, why do people not just keep that one and not buy the new ones? The game can't be that good, then.
Quote from: Rynnec on June 14, 2012, 08:32:43 PMQuoteSega only made two systems, this doesn't exist
Not too big on Panzer Dragoon (and possibly Nights), I take it?
Just the opposite. The saturn had a lot of great games, but apparently only one of them is good enough to make this list. The lack of Radiant Silvergun is criminal.
Ah, gotcha. Come to think of it, there's also a lack of Nights too. Wasn't that the game for the Saturn, like how SM64 was the game for the N64?
Pretty much. Saturn didn't have an actual Sonic platformer (well, one worth talking about anyway... you know what I mean :wth:), so Nights was probably the closest thing it had to a killer app.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 08:35:41 PM
Let me try again for the top 20:
20 - Devil May Cry 3
19 - Starcraft II
18 - Super Mario Bros.
17 - DOOM
16 - Final Fantasy VI
15 - GoldenEye (YEP, ABOVE DOOM!)
14 - Super Mario World
13 - Metroid Prime
12 - Sonic The Hedgehog 2
11 - Bayonetta
10 - Gran Turismo 5
9 - Legend Of Zelda: A Link To The Past
8 - Bejeweled
7 - Super Mario Bros. 3
6 - World Of Warcraft
5 - Killzone 2
4 - Shadow Of The Colossus
3 - Call Of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
2 - Uncharted 2
1 - Tetris
That hurt to type. Because that's just... wrong.
Actually, I doubt Bayonetta will even get ranked on the list, but if it does that wouldn't be wrong at all. It deserves a high ranking (well, OK, the top 20 might be too high, but it still deserves to be high on this list to represent the hack n' slash game genre). Also, DMC will probably be ranked instead of DMC3, but DMC3 is the better game, IMO (however the first game is undeniably way more influential).
Also, I'd be really surprised if they didn't rank The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. I'm fine with A Link to the Past being there, but I'm almost certain that OoT will definitely be ranked on the list whether ATP is there or not.
Quote from: Rynnec on June 14, 2012, 08:43:54 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 08:38:23 PM
If Madden 05 was so great, why do people not just keep that one and not buy the new ones? The game can't be that good, then.
Quote from: Rynnec on June 14, 2012, 08:32:43 PMQuoteSega only made two systems, this doesn't exist
Not too big on Panzer Dragoon (and possibly Nights), I take it?
Just the opposite. The saturn had a lot of great games, but apparently only one of them is good enough to make this list. The lack of Radiant Silvergun is criminal.
Ah, gotcha. Come to think of it, there's also a lack of Nights too. Wasn't that the game for the Saturn, like how SM64 was the game for the N64?
There's a suspicious lack of Sega games on the whole list. OutRun 2 (they put the original, but not the greatest racing game ever? What?), Sonic 3&K, Gunstar Heroes, NiGHTS, Shinobi (any of them), Ristar, House Of The Dead (Again, ANY OF THEM), Shenmue, Jet Set Radio, Astal, Rez... The list goes on.
Not to mention we've seen one Mario game so far and one Kart. This list seems to be bent solely to include flash in the pan current stuff.
You don't see One Direction making a (real) list of greatest albums of all time, do you?
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on June 14, 2012, 08:47:12 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 08:35:41 PM
Let me try again for the top 20:
20 - Devil May Cry 3
19 - Starcraft II
18 - Super Mario Bros.
17 - DOOM
16 - Final Fantasy VI
15 - GoldenEye (YEP, ABOVE DOOM!)
14 - Super Mario World
13 - Metroid Prime
12 - Sonic The Hedgehog 2
11 - Bayonetta
10 - Gran Turismo 5
9 - Legend Of Zelda: A Link To The Past
8 - Bejeweled
7 - Super Mario Bros. 3
6 - World Of Warcraft
5 - Killzone 2
4 - Shadow Of The Colossus
3 - Call Of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
2 - Uncharted 2
1 - Tetris
That hurt to type. Because that's just... wrong.
Actually, I doubt Bayonetta will even get ranked on the list, but if it does that wouldn't be wrong at all. It deserves a high ranking (well, OK, the top 20 might be too high, but it still deserves to be high on this list to represent the hack n' slash game genre). Also, DMC will probably be ranked instead of DMC3, but DMC3 is the better game, IMO (however the first game is undeniably way more influential).
Also, I'd be really surprised if they didn't rank The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. I'm fine with A Link to the Past being there, but I'm almost certain that OoT will definitely be ranked on the list whether ATP is there or not.
Well, I assumed if Skyrim can make it on, Bayonetta might as well. But then again, one was made in Japan...
I honestly forgot about OoT. Replace one of the good games with it, since it's not taking one the lesser ones off.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 14, 2012, 12:17:49 AM
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 14, 2012, 12:14:28 AM
I think some of you talked about making a modern gaming list around the time IGN made theirs, but that never turned into anything.
I don't even think I could pick 100 on my own, much less collaborate with the hack n slash freak, the PC nut, the furry, or the guy who thinks the best game ever made is a toss up between Skyward Sword or a pile of garbage.
Deluded retro gamer walks alone.
Which one am I?
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on June 14, 2012, 08:26:20 PM
I'm sure Shadow of the Colossus is a great or at least respectable game, but I've been turned off from both this and Ico ever since one of its devoted fans had the gall to tell me that Ninja Gaiden Black and NG2 were all flash and no substance and that Shadow of the Colossus was a better action game. I can NEVER take that seriously.
:D SotC is credited for being an action title now? It is, but people talk about it like it's some epic art form. I haven't played it myself and can't comment on the game more than that but I will make fun of the fans some more. I remember I was talking about how Ico was influenced by the original Prince Of Persia and some dumbass said that Ueda is too good or some shit to be influenced by another game, like the guy came up with the idea for the game out of thin air. I'm pretty sure I saw an interview where he said that he was instead influenced by PoP but I'm sure said dumbass would deny even video evidence since Ueda is the Messiah and all.
Did anyone ever rank Shadow of the Colossus above Ico?
I think one of the biggest problems with this lis is that they're trying to rank for both the best games that hold up and games that were the innovators, which is why they try to go with one particular game per franchise and go all over the place. You can't have it that way. Make it one or the other.
EGM did both a Greatest Games of All Time and of Their Time in separate magazines, and you know what? They weren't perfect, but they looked a lot more credible than these, since they aren't so messy.
One thing about Shadow of the Colossus is that it really is an example of how games should tell a story.
#1 will be Tetris, though. It always seems to be.
Quote from: gunswordfist on June 14, 2012, 10:47:53 PM
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on June 14, 2012, 08:26:20 PM
I'm sure Shadow of the Colossus is a great or at least respectable game, but I've been turned off from both this and Ico ever since one of its devoted fans had the gall to tell me that Ninja Gaiden Black and NG2 were all flash and no substance and that Shadow of the Colossus was a better action game. I can NEVER take that seriously.
:D SotC is credited for being an action title now? It is, but people talk about it like it's some epic art form. I haven't played it myself and can't comment on the game more than that but I will make fun of the fans some more. I remember I was talking about how Ico was influenced by the original Prince Of Persia and some dumbass said that Ueda is too good or some shit to be influenced by another game, like the guy came up with the idea for the game out of thin air. I'm pretty sure I saw an interview where he said that he was instead influenced by PoP but I'm sure said dumbass would deny even video evidence since Ueda is the Messiah and all.
I've seen people describe the terrible slowdown as "part of the experience"...I don't see it.
12.Doom II
11.Ocarina of Time
10.World of Warcraft
9. Shadow of the Colossus
8.Goldeneye
7.Super Mario Bros. 3
6.The Legend of Zelda (NES)
5.Tetris
4.Asteroid's
3.Bioshock
2.A Link to the Past
1.Super Marios Bros.
I missed 20-13
Once again, meh. Still better than IGN's list by a longshot. This list still has problems of its own (as we all discussed).
20. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare
19. Diablo 2
18. Ms. Pac-Man
17. Starcraft
16. Half-Life
15. Donkey Kong
14. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
13. Portal
Here's what you missed.
First of all, ASTEROIDS. SUCKS. How can anyone prefer that shit to Galaga and Space Invaders? It blew when it came out. It blows today.
Second, GoldenEye over DOOM II? Nope.
And why the fuck did the original Zelda crack the top 10? I'm sorry, but it doesn't hold up at all.
And really, when did anyone ever prefer Shadow of the Colossus to ico.
I'm sure that Desen will nail this better than I can, but these are some of the things that bug me.
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 15, 2012, 08:04:25 PM
20. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare
Respectable, honestly.
Quote19. Diablo 2
Nice!
Quote18. Ms. Pac-Man
My mom's favorite game.
Quote17. Starcraft
Cool!
Quote16. Half-Life
Fuck yeah!
Quote15. Donkey Kong
Instead of DKC? That's wack.
Quote14. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
lol
Quote13. Portal
The sequel is at least 10x better and even that only deserves to be in, say, the top 50.
Quote from: Rynnec on June 15, 2012, 07:58:35 PM
12.Doom II
Yeah!
Quote11.Ocarina of Time
Cool!
Quote10.World of Warcraft
lol
Quote9. Shadow of the Colossus
No.
Quote8.Goldeneye
Oh yeah, this is WAY better than Doom 2 and Half-Life. That's not just nostalgia talking or anything.
Quote7.Super Mario Bros. 3
Excellent!
Quote6.The Legend of Zelda (NES)
Zelda 1 better than OoT? They've got to be joking.
Quote5.Tetris
Eh, that's respectable.
Quote4.Asteroid's
You've got to be fucking kidding me here.
Quote3.Bioshock
Top 3? God no. On the list without even a mention of System Shock 2? Something's rotten in Denmark.
Quote2.A Link to the Past
Awesome!
Quote1.Super Marios Bros.
I love this game, but it shouldn't be #1.
As I thought, no Thief, F.E.A.R., System Shock, Fatal Frame, Yoshi's Island, DMC/Bayonetta, or Torment anywhere on this list (unless I missed them). List is automatically invalid.
Quote20. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare
Predictable. I'm not a fan, though.
Quote19. Diablo 2
Once again, predictable.
Quote18. Ms. Pac-Man
Seriously?
Quote17. Starcraft
Predictable.
Quote16. Half-Life
I still need to play the first game, but then I'm surprised that HL2 didn't even rank anywhere on this list if the first game ranks here. That just seems odd.
Quote15. Donkey Kong
First of all, if any DK game was to be on this list, its should have been a DKC game. Secondly, a DKC game being ranked in the top 20 is way too high, as much as I love those games (except for 3). Also, it should specifically be DKC2 that gets ranked. And its just bizarre that this ranks here yet Yoshi's Island is nowhere to be seen on the list (so yeah, this list just lost any sense of credibility with me).
Quote14. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
Predictable, but at least its not in the top 10. Still, there's no way that this game is that good, and I've played quite a bit of it, before.
Quote13. Portal
Alright, I enjoyed this game well enough, but I'm sorry, it does NOT belong anywhere on this list. Its just a fun curiosity when you get down to it, and it has little to now actual replay value.
Quote12.Doom II
I still need to play this game, but I love the first one.
Quote11.Ocarina of Time
This should be in the top 10, IMO.
Quote10.World of Warcraft
Predictable. And, I can't stand this game, personally.
Quote9. Shadow of the Colossus
I've been turned off from this game before so I can't comment on it without having played it, but I seriously doubt that its really top 10 material.
Quote8.Goldeneye
Once again, way too high, and no way in hell should this be ranked above DOOM II, or even Halo for that matter.
Quote7.Super Mario Bros. 3
This should be number 1, and SMB should conversely be replaced with Yoshi's Island in this spot.
Quote6.The Legend of Zelda (NES)
This should be one of the Oracle games, or even Link's Awakening (which I don't care for but can still respect as a better game) instead. Like Avaitor said, while its a classic in its own right, the original Zelda just flat-out doesn't hold up anymore, especially among the 2D Zelda games.
Quote5.Tetris
I can sort of appreciate the importance of this game and how it helped to massively popularize early video games, but honestly I think its best to leave the past behind sometimes, and in this case its not really a noteworthy video game as much as it is a time-killer (much like Angry Birds, though I'll at least give this one some more respect given the time it came out at).
Quote4.Asteroid's
What?
Quote3.Bioshock
WAY, WAY, WAY TOO DAMN HIGH! Look, I really do like this game, but no way in hell is it top 3 material, let alone top 25 for that matter.
Quote2.A Link to the Past
This one actually seems right. For the record, I still get bored by this game and can't finish it, but I respect it a lot for really refining the key Zelda formula that got me to enjoy many of the other games in the series that came later on.
Quote1.Super Marios Bros.
This choice is understandable, but it really should be SMB3 instead, as that game perfected the art of 2D platforming.
My final thoughts:
This top 20 sucks. A Link to the Past is the only game that seems to belong right where it is (of the games that I have played), and while I can agree with some of the other choices, most of the list is full of entries that are either misplaced or don't belong in the top 20 at all (or in some cases even the top 100, at that).
Quote from: Brak's Dad on June 15, 2012, 08:04:25 PM
20. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare
19. Diablo 2
18. Ms. Pac-Man
17. Starcraft
16. Half-Life
15. Donkey Kong
14. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
13. Portal
Here's what you missed.
Bah! No DMC FTL! And I agree with Foggle, no DKC, but the original Donkey Kong makes it in? No Yoshi's Island was dissapointingly expected.
QuoteFirst of all, ASTEROIDS. SUCKS. How can anyone prefer that shit to Galaga and Space Invaders? It blew when it came out. It blows today.
If they were going to include Asteroid's, they should've had Geometry Wars too. That game basically takes Asteroid's basic formula, and makes it better in every way.
QuoteSecond, GoldenEye over DOOM II? Nope.
No Perfect Dark either.
Quote from: Foggle on June 15, 2012, 08:17:00 PM
As I thought, no Thief, F.E.A.R., System Shock, Fatal Frame, Yoshi's Island, DMC/Bayonetta, or Torment anywhere on this list (unless I missed them). List is automatically invalid.
That's another thing, the lack of DMC on this list is just flat-out wrong. I'm utterly shocked that it didn't make it here. There's no way that a God of War game should be ranked on this list while DMC is not present. It fucking started the hack n' slash genre AND still happens to be a far more robust and in-depth game than any God of War title, so the exclusion of it from this list just baffles me, as its both an important entry and a quality one in terms of still holding up to this day. Its not even like its obscure or anything, so how did it fail to rank on this list?
Also, F.E.A.R. should have been on this list as well, but I'm not surprised that it was ignored since it seems to be a trend to ignore PC games on lists like these, as I'm sure Foggle knows all to well.
Also, the lack of Max Payne on this list is just stupid, especially since its one of the best TPS games ever made (it should have been on here in place of Gears of War 3, IMO).
The exclusion of Yoshi's Island on this list just proves how ignorant they are of classic 2D gaming, especially when it comes to platformers. If they knew what they were talking about, we'd have this game, DKC2, and Mega Man X on this list as the VERY LEAST.
I seriously think that every Zelda game besides the CD-i and DS ones have more to offer today than the original Zelda. It's worth checking out for historical purposes and curiosity, but the franchise has been done so much better than it.
I will say that I'm fine with ALTTP at #2 though. I wouldn't have it so high if I was ranking it, but it is pretty close to perfect.
LoZ might not be as developed as later Zelda games. But to be completely honest... I think it has the best concept in the series. There's no linearity, no padding, no drawn-out cutscenes, no tedious puzzles, and none of Aonuma's surprises/gimmicks. It's just Zelda the way it was intended. Combat, dungeons, and exploration... Now sure, the game is a bit dated, in that your sword moves are limited and the map is unreadable, among other things. But I truly believe that if Nintendo were to take this concept and update it, we could have the best Zelda yet.
The back end of this list actually surprised me. They have a lot of older stuff on here from long-established franchises that have since greatly surpassed the games they've chosen as "best of the best" (Zelda, Donkey Kong... hell, even Tetris and Asteroids are strange picks, when you think about it). Not quite sure what to make of it, really.
It could have been so much worse, though. They could've just thrown stuff like Uncharted and Black Ops (and Madden!) into the top few slots, and called it a day. I'm actually kinda impressed they didn't, tbh.
Here we go!
Quote
20. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare
Gasp shock I never saw th
Quote19. Diablo 2
I can see that.
Quote18. Ms. Pac-Man
This is like that guy that makes a best album of all time list and throws in a random Rolling Stones album because "the Stones have to be there, man!" When all told, Rolling Stones albums are not THAT good when stacked up to other groups. This is EXTRAORDINARILY way too high.
Quote17. Starcraft
Over the sequel?
Quote16. Half-Life
Wow, Over CoD!
Quote15. Donkey Kong
This is a top 100 game, yes. But top 15? I don't see it.
Quote14. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
Siiiiigh.
Quote13. Portal
The sequel did EVERYTHING better. And this is not a top 100 game, I'm sorry. It's not replayable like the L4D games nor as engrossing and expansive as the Half Life games. Most people who have praised this game have played it only once.
Quote12. Doom II
This should have been obvious, but I was nervous.
Quote11. Ocarina of Time
They actually put SOTC over OoT?... I just... What?
Quote10. World of Warcraft
This is a game list, not a list of prescription drugs.
Quote9. Shadow of the Colossus
.............. Ignoring the fact that this is 200 places too high, in what universe is a game that has deep fundamental issues that cripple game play make it the "best ever"?
Quote8. Goldeneye
Goldeneye is a good game, I agree. But, Goldeneye is not the best N64 game of all time, Goldeneye is not the best FPS of all time, and Goldeneye's spiritual sequel blows it out of the water and even has a more modern version out now. Goldeneye does not belong here.
Quote7. Super Mario Bros. 3
It says something when even though this is my favorite game of all time, I can understand games ranking above it on a list like this. None of the games above this are even in the same league as SMB3 except ALTTP and Tetris.
Quote6. The Legend of Zelda (NES)
Huh? This I could see on here, but again.. this not top ten good.
Quote5. Tetris
It's still one of the best puzzle games ever, so yeah.
Quote4. Asteroids
No Super Mario World, Sonic The Hedgehog (ANY of the pre-Sonic Heroes ones), Yoshi's Island, R-Type, Earthbound, Shinobi, Jet Set Radio, Contra III, Mega Man X, Terranigma, Metroid Prime, Devil May Cry (Or ANY Kamiya games including RE2), Metal Slug 3 or X, or Super Mario Galaxy games... But you remembered to put Asteroids on it.
Next time get someone who actually PLAYED arcade games to vote on arcade games.
Quote3. Bioshock
This is cracked out warped. I even like this game, but it is not the third best game ever made, nor is it even the best game THIS GEN. This is reaching.
Quote2. A Link to the Past
This is the one game on the whole list that might be ranked where it deserves to be ranked.
Quote1. Super Mario Bros.
There isn't a single person on this planet who would put SMB1 over ANY other Nintendo-made console 2D platformer in the series that came later (Lost Levels aside)... Assuming they actually played them. This is not the best game of all time. It's not even the best game in the series.
This list did not have much of any thought put into it.
What's funny is that 90% of players who played both games would choose SMB3 over SMB1.
Then again, SMB1 did outsell it.
Hey, Sonic 1 made the list!
Quote from: Spark of SpiritOver the original?
Well, it kinda
is the original. :sweat:
Quote.............. Ignoring the fact that this is 200 places too high, in what universe is a game that has deep fundamental issues that cripple game play make it the "best ever"?
Because ART.
QuoteNo Super Mario World, Sonic The Hedgehog (ANY of the pre-Sonic Heroes ones), Yoshi's Island, R-Type, Earthbound, Shinobi, Jet Set Radio, Contra III, Mega Man X, Terranigma, Metroid Prime, Devil May Cry (Or ANY Kamiya games including RE2), Metal Slug 3 or X, or Super Mario Galaxy games... But you remembered to put Asteroids on it.
It's obvious that they just put it on there because it's "Old-school".
Quote from: talonmalon333 on June 16, 2012, 12:04:29 AM
What's funny is that 90% of players who played both games would choose SMB3 over SMB1.
Then again, SMB1 did outsell it.
It was also a pack-in. I somehow have like 3 copies of it myself.
Quote from: Foggle on June 16, 2012, 12:08:32 AM
Hey, Sonic 1 made the list!
And it's well deserved, but all 4 classic games (that includes CD) deserved ranking. They just shunted them out so they could slip arcade games they've never played and overrated modern games they've played once on it.
They have arcade games on here but no Final Fight,Sunset Riders, or HOTD?
CRACKED. OUT.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 16, 2012, 12:13:29 AM
It was also a pack-in. I somehow have like 3 copies of it myself.
But even in Japan, where it wasn't a pack-in, SMB1 had almost twice the sales SMB3 did.
Maybe people didn't see enough reason to upgrade. :??:
Quote from: Rynnec on June 16, 2012, 12:11:49 AM
Quote from: Spark of SpiritOver the original?
Well, it kinda is the original. :sweat:
Yeah, I used the wrong word. ;)
QuoteQuote.............. Ignoring the fact that this is 200 places too high, in what universe is a game that has deep fundamental issues that cripple game play make it the "best ever"?
Because ART.
Streets Of Rage 2 is art. Its gameplay is art. It is the definition of those that argue games are art. Its not on the list.
QuoteQuoteNo Super Mario World, Sonic The Hedgehog (ANY of the pre-Sonic Heroes ones), Yoshi's Island, R-Type, Earthbound, Shinobi, Jet Set Radio, Contra III, Mega Man X, Terranigma, Metroid Prime, Devil May Cry (Or ANY Kamiya games including RE2), Metal Slug 3 or X, or Super Mario Galaxy games... But you remembered to put Asteroids on it.
It's obvious that they just put it on there because it's "Old-school".
They could have made it less obvious. Just ask anyone who has stepped into an arcade what the best arcade games of all time are and you would see Time Crisis 2, Mark Of The Wolves, or one of Sega's many great light gun games, mentioned quite a bit. Again, none are on here, but freaking Asteroids and Space Invaders are.
Quote from: talonmalon333 on June 16, 2012, 12:17:40 AM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 16, 2012, 12:13:29 AM
It was also a pack-in. I somehow have like 3 copies of it myself.
But even in Japan, where it wasn't a pack-in, SMB1 had almost twice the sales SMB3 did.
Maybe people didn't see enough reason to upgrade. :??:
1 also had quite a few years headstart in sales and 3 came out right before Nintendo's new system. And building on from that even though SMW was a pack-in, it also never surpassed SMB1's sales.
Heck, Galaxy 2 hasn't outsold 1 either, and most agree it's the better game.
But this logic also gets blown out when OoT (which is the best selling Zelda game) is outranked on here by two other entries. This list is randomly put together without much care at all.
QuoteThis list is randomly put together without much care at all.
It's pretty much catered to the "hardcore casual" crowd. People who play games like Mario and Street Fighter and the like, but the only real old-school titles they're familiar with are the ones most of the mainstream know (Asteroid's, Space Invaders) instead of the ones most hardcore's would know (Mark of the Wolves, HOTD).
Well yeah, that's just G4 I guess.
Putting SMB 1 over 3 and Galaxy 2 or LoZ over OOT and, say, anything else is like putting Birth of a Nation at #1 on a Greatest Movies list.
We have come so far from that over the years.
Okay, if you want in on our new project, PM me and I'll let you in.
Just a reminder: PM Avaitor, Foggle, or myself if you have any interest in contributing to our own top 100 video games list. Yes, we are actually doing it, now. :thumbup:
God, no Max Payne, Devil May Cry and did Sonic 2 make the list?
And of course Einhander got ignored. Exvept for graphics, that game is timeless and the best PS1 game imo.
Did my PM go through? ???????????????????????????????????
Apparently not. I can add you to the group, though!
You do that. :humhumhum:
Guys, just remember: this was my idea first. :awesome:
...all kidding aside, count me in.
Urine.
You're in!
So for the first time, I really looked at that top 100 and skimmed some of you guys' opinions. The only question I have is, how come some of you were against the idea of any of the DKC games being too high?
We have a DKC game in the top 30 on our list. I consider that to be pretty high.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on July 05, 2012, 05:09:56 PM
We have a DKC game in the top 30 on our list. I consider that to be pretty high.
Fair enough. Which one?
That'll only be revealed once we officially post up the list. ;)
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on July 05, 2012, 06:51:28 PM
That'll only be revealed once we officially post up the list. ;)
Oh. Right. Sorry. :sweat:
At any rate, being that we're on the topic of Donkey Kong, I'd like to mention that Camelot Software Planning (who previous did Shining Force, Golden Sun, a few Mario sports games, and other stuff) is currently interested in doing a DK64 sequel.
That's an odd choice of game and developer. As long as they cut out all the collecting.
By the way, there's apparently a NiGHTS game coming to XBLA/PSN.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on July 05, 2012, 07:07:18 PM
By the way, there's apparently a NiGHTS game coming to XBLA/PSN.
Steam as well. It's an HD remake.
What do people here think of DKC3, by the way?
Well, its a good game, but personally its my least favorite of the DKC trilogy. I know Desensitized got turned around on it via the GBA version, and I know its a good game, but I really did try to love it, and to its credit it has some great creativity, but while I'm not sure what it is I feel like it lacks a certain charm that the first 2 games had that kept me coming back for more, which is why I never bothered to finish the game, myself (I only got a little more than half-way through it the last time I played it).
Personally, I love it.
It's not as great as the first two, but IMO, it's very underrated in the grand scheme of things. It has a sort of dark, sinister atmosphere to it that fits the series perfectly. And I absolutely love the soundtrack, despite not being from Dave Wise. These (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjmUCbNk65o) two (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0mCsa2q2a4) tracks in particular are just perfect to me in every way.
So yeah, it's a good one. Again, not as great as the first two, but still a very solid game in its own right.
It's a great game, and the GBA port is the definitive version. Better music, less freaky atmosphere (it feels more like the first two), and better voices (nobody likes Kiddy), as well as less annoying minigames make it a much better game.
Shame it was overshadowed by the N64 when it came out, it's a pretty good little game.
The only thing I don't like about that game is Kiddy. I don't use him unless I have to(like if I lose Dixie).
And to me it's better than DKC and behind DKC2.
What the heck are you guys talking about, in terms of it having a "darker atmosphere"? ???
DKC3 is so light and upbeat. It makes me want to go to a summer camp or something. DKC2, on the other hand, is more sinister and intense in terms of atmosphere, sometimes even gloomy (on the DKC scale). :P
I dunno about Kiddington, but I called it freaky- not dark.
The banana birds, the fact that almost everything is a robot, every boss is wacked out, the strange bear brothers, and the unfitting SNES soundtrack (that sounds like a picnic or something), are so weird. It's like some bizarre vacation getaway to backwards-ville or something.
I can't find my GBA DKC3 :shit: I seem to be missing quite a few of my GBA games. Maybe I need to get more organized.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on July 06, 2012, 08:40:31 PM
I dunno about Kiddington, but I called it freaky- not dark.
The banana birds, the fact that almost everything is a robot, every boss is wacked out, the strange bear brothers, and the unfitting SNES soundtrack (that sounds like a picnic or something), are so weird. It's like some bizarre vacation getaway to backwards-ville or something.
"Freaky" is a bit more understandable. Most of the bosses in the game are indeed kinda creepy. But I don't think much else is.
I think the SNES soundtrack was better than you give it credit for. It's not as good as the GBA one, but I think it comes close. I like the overall atmosphere of the game, with forest and lakes and all that, as I described before, "summer camp" material (though they probably didn't need to make the cover look like some river racing DK spin-off). The bears add to the atmosphere, especially in the SNES version... Too bad they're meaningless from a gameplay point of view. :P
DKC2 wins in terms of atmosphere though. Pirates, plus a classic adventure theme, equals awesomeness.
When I said that, I was talking mostly about the SNES soundtrack, where a lot of the themes, at least to me, sound and feel a lot darker and more sinister than past DKC themes (again, this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjmUCbNk65o) one especially; I don't know what about this sounds upbeat, because I'm not hearing it). Some of the levels too, mainly the forest levels. Maybe the storyline not so much, but you know what I mean.
I've never played the GBA version, so I can't comment on that.
Quote from: Kiddington on July 07, 2012, 01:46:50 AM
When I said that, I was talking mostly about the SNES soundtrack, where a lot of the themes, at least to me, sound and feel a lot darker and more sinister than past DKC themes (again, this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjmUCbNk65o) one especially; I don't know what about this sounds upbeat, because I'm not hearing it). Some of the levels too, mainly the forest levels. Maybe the storyline not so much, but you know what I mean.
I've never played the GBA version, so I can't comment on that.
I see that song as an exception. Not the rule. Also, in the GBA version, they
really made it more upbeat and joyful. :P
Shit! I forgot to mention to Foggle, but Killer7 was Wiki's article of the day.
Quote from: Avaitor on July 07, 2012, 11:25:19 PM
Shit! I forgot to mention to Foggle, but Killer7 was Wiki's article of the day.
Nice! ;D
Quote from: talonmalon333 on July 07, 2012, 10:41:00 AM
Quote from: Kiddington on July 07, 2012, 01:46:50 AM
When I said that, I was talking mostly about the SNES soundtrack, where a lot of the themes, at least to me, sound and feel a lot darker and more sinister than past DKC themes (again, this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjmUCbNk65o) one especially; I don't know what about this sounds upbeat, because I'm not hearing it). Some of the levels too, mainly the forest levels. Maybe the storyline not so much, but you know what I mean.
I've never played the GBA version, so I can't comment on that.
I see that song as an exception. Not the rule. Also, in the GBA version, they really made it more upbeat and joyful. :P
Yeah, which fits more for me with the forest levels. I didn't mind the darker tunes in the factory/barn levels since they were, you know, darker, but the tune in the SNES version just didn't work for me. It felt like someone made the soundtrack based on concept art or something, it never really worked for me.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on July 08, 2012, 07:48:00 PM
Quote from: talonmalon333 on July 07, 2012, 10:41:00 AM
Quote from: Kiddington on July 07, 2012, 01:46:50 AM
When I said that, I was talking mostly about the SNES soundtrack, where a lot of the themes, at least to me, sound and feel a lot darker and more sinister than past DKC themes (again, this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjmUCbNk65o) one especially; I don't know what about this sounds upbeat, because I'm not hearing it). Some of the levels too, mainly the forest levels. Maybe the storyline not so much, but you know what I mean.
I've never played the GBA version, so I can't comment on that.
I see that song as an exception. Not the rule. Also, in the GBA version, they really made it more upbeat and joyful. :P
Yeah, which fits more for me with the forest levels. I didn't mind the darker tunes in the factory/barn levels since they were, you know, darker, but the tune in the SNES version just didn't work for me. It felt like someone made the soundtrack based on concept art or something, it never really worked for me.
While I stand by my point, I do think the Treetop Tumble theme was better in the SNES version, if only cause having the GBA's joyful music doesn't work when a giant saw is chasing you. :P
The creepy music doesn't work so well for that stage as well. I dunno, the saw level never made much sense to me.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on July 09, 2012, 07:22:39 PM
The creepy music doesn't work so well for that stage as well. I dunno, the saw level never made much sense to me.
I'm not sure I get your logic here. :P
Quote from: talonmalon333 on July 09, 2012, 07:36:31 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on July 09, 2012, 07:22:39 PM
The creepy music doesn't work so well for that stage as well. I dunno, the saw level never made much sense to me.
I'm not sure I get your logic here. :P
You don't really need to. The level doesn't make much sense no matter how you slice it, so there isn't really any appropriate music for it. The whole saw thing doesn't feel very DKC at all to me.
At least in the GBA version I get to hear a catchy tune
Well, after all the discussion we were having, I'm playing through my favorite game of all time: Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door.
It's been five or six years since my last playthrough. And I'm enjoying myself as much as ever. This time I'm aiming to 100% it though.
Good luck! I found it surprisingly tricky at times.
Quote from: Nel on July 09, 2012, 10:05:21 PM
Well, after all the discussion we were having, I'm playing through my favorite game of all time: Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door.
It's been five or six years since my last playthrough. And I'm enjoying myself as much as ever. This time I'm aiming to 100% it though.
You gonna max out your level?
More along the lines of collecting everything. Badges. Star pieces. I finally want to beat the Pit of 100 trials as well. According to my old files, the highest I ever went was was Lvl. 31. :sweat: But if there is an easy way to max out Mario's level, I'd like to hear it.
I guess another factor in me playing it is watching chuggaconroy's Super Paper Mario LP on YouTube lately. Which he finished today, oddly enough. I'm in a Paper Mario mood.
But I really need a break from my massive backlog. Some familiar territory that I know and love will be welcome.
Quote from: Nel on July 09, 2012, 10:51:08 PMBut if there is an easy way to max out Mario's level, I'd like to hear it.
Fight Bullet Bills nonstop for 100. :P
That's really the best way to do it. Just put on defense badges, stand infront of a Bullet Bill cannon, repeatedly press the attack button, and change the channel... :huh:
I... never heard about that. I might honestly try it. I love maxing out in RPGs.
Rhythm Thief for the 3DS is out now. Sega dropped the price to $29.99, so if you want a good music or adventure game be sure to grab it. I think Sega could use the support at this juncture, too. Honestly I hope it finds success, because it really is a great game.
Of course being a Sega game the soundtrack is uber catchy. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04k3wYTmboY&feature=related)
Good news! (http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=482085)
Falcom is looking to move their games to PC, smartphones and the 3DS in the future! I'm glad to see they won't be continuing to put all their eggs in the Sony basket anymore. They deserve more attention.
And some people just can't deal! (http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=39755121&postcount=22)
Falcom returning to the PC = :swoon: :swoon:
As long as they keep the Trails In The Sky universe going, I'm happy.
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Archie seems to be treating Mega Man better than Capcom. As much as I would prefer a game, I might check this out when a trade is released.
Oh god, the Archie Sonic comics... I remember reading that shit back in the day. I must have at least 70 issues stashed somewhere around here.
I actually just ended my subscription a few months ago. Been collecting since 1997, but I just want to wait for the right graphic novels now to save space. As for the crossover, I like the idea, but I think 12 issues is a bit overkill, and I really hope it's a non-canon for fun kind of thing, because Mega Man almost just started and the Sonic comic has so many plot lines going right now that throwing this into its continuity, especially at this point, just seems like a giant mess waiting to happen. Eh. I'm not paying for it anymore. Let'em do whatever the hell they want.
I like Ian's writing more than previous artists, but I feel like ever since 175 he's been trying to outdo himself in "epicness" with every arc and it's gotten to the point for me where I'm not finding anything to be really exciting anymore, especially after certain characters escaped death so close together, and with so many plots going on at once, so much so that even Sonic Universe's arcs are getting taken up by the main comic's stories.
Oh, and both StH #242 and SU #45 are non-canon, SEGA-mandated game tie-ins. With all that's going on right now, the last thing we need are sudden breaks from canon for a damn Sonic All-Star Racing tie-in.
And that would be a rant from a Sonic comic fan who cares too much. :awesome:
I actually bought a couple of Sonic paperbacks for my birthday of the earliest stories. They have a big one with the first 20 or so issues, but in black and white. I'm considering trading the ones I have in for that. They're far from perfect, but hell, the comics are better than the video games have been since last gen.
I haven't read the Mega Man comics, so i can't say anything about them. I might check out the crossover though.
I read the Mega Man comics, I like the art is Arcs 1, 3 & 4. Arc 1 & 3 adapted the First two games in Mega Man series, while Arc 2 gave us the Robot Masters from the PSP game, Time Man and Oil Man. Arc 4 is actually an original story that does introduce Rush to the series. I do admit that I do enjoy this writer and this is probably one of my favorite series out there.
AFAIK, you can get the first 2 arcs in Trade Form right now and I think Arc 3 will be released something in August.
I wonder how Foggle's going to react when he learns that news of Yakuza 1 & 2 HD apparently leaked?
I'd react pretty well if they tweaked 1's combat system to be like the sequels, that's the only thing holding it back.
I'd be excited for that news if there was an XBOX360 version planned for that release, but since I know that Yakuza will always be a Playstation exclusive, my best bet is still just to buy the PS2 versions of those games online.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on July 16, 2012, 08:24:25 PM
I wonder how Foggle's going to react when he learns that news of Yakuza 1 & 2 HD apparently leaked?
PLEASE BE GOOD LIKE MGS AND NOT BAD LIKE SILENT HILL OR MEDIOCRE LIKE RATCHET PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
If this happens, I
really hope they add dual audio for Yakuza 1. The dub is good, but you can't beat the unflinchingly badass Japanese acting when it comes to this series.
Ratchet's out by the end of August. It seems to have a Sly 4 demo!
Quote from: Foggle on July 16, 2012, 08:45:53 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on July 16, 2012, 08:24:25 PM
I wonder how Foggle's going to react when he learns that news of Yakuza 1 & 2 HD apparently leaked?
PLEASE BE GOOD LIKE MGS AND NOT BAD LIKE SILENT HILL OR MEDIOCRE LIKE RATCHET PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
If this happens, I really hope they add dual audio for Yakuza 1. The dub is good, but you can't beat the unflinchingly badass Japanese acting when it comes to this series.
I'd kill for Kenzan to be put in there for the NA release. I'd even pay the full $59.99 for all three. :-X
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on July 16, 2012, 08:49:41 PM
Ratchet's out by the end of August. It seems to have a Sly 4 demo!
I
really hope they fix all the bugs by the time the NA release happens. The games aren't unplayable like Silent Hill 3, but they're in a pretty pathetic state at the moment, and UYA's port job especially is downright shameful.
Quote from: Foggle on July 16, 2012, 08:45:53 PM
I'd kill for Kenzan to be put in there for the NA release. I'd even pay the full $59.99 for all three. :-X
Honestly, I recommend just importing Kenzan. It's quite cheap now, a complete English guide exists, and there's a full translation of the cutscenes on YouTube. One of the most import-friendly games ever at this point.
Yakuza 1 will
desperately benefit from the PS3's decreased load times. They don't even have to tweak the combat system, I'll be happy with less loading and Japanese voices alone. And they can just use the dub translation as subtitles for the Japanese audio track. Sure, they'll be wrong about 15% of the time, but I don't even care at this point. Sega needs to release this over here to give the fans a chance to buy it so that we can all show our support for an English release of Yakuza 5.
Man, I don't know what it is but I just can't get into the other versions of Ys I & II other than the Turbografx version. It strikes the perfect balance of just being simple and arcade enough with having the right amount of RPG and story input. The other versions are either simple to a fault or too cumbersome with trying to modernize the game while leaving in the old school elements which just jar.
The art design also strikes the balance between old school 8-bit and 16-bit, which while it isn't amazing, fits the game like a glove.
Also, the music. It still manages to sound like game music while still being really varied and exciting. I'm not a big fan of most of the "remixes" which seem to want to be soundtrack music instead of game music. The TG16 version has music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0odS0Ucw1M) like (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbqL-yo-oEg) this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDm9LaJeN9w) which is just perfect.
I mean, it's probably not "technically" the best, but it is the most fun version for me to play.
Hey EK, the place I went to today had NBA Street 2 (but it was bundled with 3 other sports games I didn't want) and NBA Street 3. Have you played the latter? Is there a big difference in the two?
And whatever happened to the EA BIG label?
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on July 19, 2012, 10:18:57 PM
Hey EK, the place I went to today had NBA Street 2 (but it was bundled with 3 other sports games I didn't want) and NBA Street 3. Have you played the latter? Is there a big difference in the two?
Admittedly I haven't played too much of 3, but from what I played of it I felt that it was a decent sequel. It changed some of the gameplay elements up and it felt a little less smooth control-wise for some reason than Vol. 2 did, but I do believe it had a bit more content to it. Maybe some day I'll look into it some more. General fan consensus is that 2 is pretty much the best in the series, though. It also got the best critical reception, though all 3 games in the series were critical successes, at that.
Anyways, how much is the bundle for? If its for around $15, I'd say that you're definitely getting you're money's worth with the NBA Street games (even if it was just Vol. 2). If its more than that, though, then you'd probably want to wait until the game turned up by itself for a cheaper price.
QuoteAnd whatever happened to the EA BIG label?
I'm guessing that EA shut them down, just like how they did all of their other talented developers from last-gen. :-\
It might have been for either $9.99 or $19.99. I was considering getting it, but I was in a hurry so I only grabbed the other two I mentioned, and the other three didn't look all that appealing from what I remember.
It'll probably be there next time, so maybe I'll just grab them both and try all of them! :D I've been in the mood for some good sports games.
If you can find it for a reasonable price, I highly recommend Sega Soccer Slam. Its easily my favorite sports game, and the most underrated one that I know of. Its an extremely fun party game and has a lot of single-player content as well.
My favorite sports game might be NBA Jam 99 on the N64. Or at least, it's the one I can have the most fun on. My friends and I can have a blast with that game to this day. :lol:
EA Big made SSX Tricky, right?
I believe the EA studio that did James Bond Everything Or Nothing made the Dead Space series series so there's that.
MVP Baseball 2005 is the best sports game ever made. Madden before EA got the exclusive NFL license and stopped giving a shit is a close second.
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:'(
He said he doesn't care for Ninja Gaiden, either, but he admits that he has never played any of them because he's not interested in their style.
Here's the thing, Kamiya is free to think what he wants and I won't hold it against him since he's a talented game developer. It doesn't mean you really have to care what he thinks, though. I mean, just because I respect a developer doesn't mean I have to agree with them (for the record, I disagree with a lot of Itagaki's opinions on games).
Yeah, basically. My father doesn't like most of the same things I do, but I still respect his opinions.
The crying emoticon was just a joke. I feel the same as both of you. ;)
Oh, here's a weird tidbit.
When I was visiting one of my friends last week he had gotten the Streets Of Rage Collection on the 360, so we decided to play through SoR1 from start to finish. Oddly enough we get to the last level and midway through the level I get thrown to the left side of the screen by a random enemy and the game jumps into the last cutscene + credits and my friend gets the achievement for beating the game which I already had.
That is the weirdest SoR-related glitch I've ever had.
What's this? Actual Black Mesa Source gameplay!? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7qvAexvK00) Some fantastic footage from the remade On A Rail level.
Not a fan of the damage indicators or the Resident Evil 2-tier voice acting (which is apparently intentional), but it looks bloody phenomenal. I really like how they added a second tram with soldiers on it to fight! Though I do miss the TNT puzzle.
Can't fucking wait for this mod.
Sorry for double posting, but I'm really curious as to what other people who've played HL 1 think of that footage. :)
The funny thing is that I JUST beat that level the other day, so its pretty fresh in my memory, and I have to say that while I wasn't particularly a fan of this level in the original, this remake looks really good. For one thing I can see that it has improved the level design with some subtle changes. For example, that scripted moment where you can sneak up on those 2 guys from behind is done much better, here. In the original you came out of a door and they were standing out in front behind a small flight of stairs, which kind of put you at an awkward angle to take advantage of ambushing them. Over here, you see them right as you open that door so that part just flows more smoothly (yeah, I know that's really nit-picking on my part, but I just like that set-up better). The graphical difference is also amazing. It really reminds me of the jump from Halo: CE's graphics to Anniversary's graphics, in that regard.
One thing I don't like is how there is no indicator for the speed of the tram you're going on, though. If you look closely, you can see that the switch probably indicates the speed, in that if its all the way up then you're at max speed, but I kind of just prefer the yellow bars indicating what level of speed you're going at. Once again, though, its a minor gripe.
Basically, I find this gameplay clip to be really good compared to the original version of the level. I'd definitely play a full HL1 remake with those graphics and that general design. I could live with the cheesy voice-acting, honestly.
::EDIT::
I just noticed something while watching the video. Was that shortcut at the end in the original version of the game? Because if so, that would have saved me so much trouble. I had to access that same room by carefully moving up a flight of stairs while avoiding those easy to trip lasers that caused all of the dynamite in the room to explode.
The cheesy voice acting grew on me quickly (I think it's hilarious), but I found it really jarring at first because I've played HL 1 at least 10 times (and Uplink even more). The footage is apparently darker than the actual game according to the devs, so you can probably see the bars on the tram screen much better while playing. The graphics are so damn impressive too, especially for a fan-made Source mod. Truly mind-blowing.
They also said that it's not a 1:1 remake (as you can tell). They tightened up the pacing a bit and added some extra content to make it more fun. And they completely revamped Xen, so it might actually be good this time. And then, of course, is the fact that HL 2 just feels much better to play than the first one in general. Seriously can't wait for this mod.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on August 07, 2012, 06:18:16 PM
I just noticed something while watching the video. Was that shortcut at the end in the original version of the game? Because if so, that would have saved me so much trouble. I had to access that same room by carefully moving up a flight of stairs while avoiding those easy to trip lasers that caused all of the dynamite in the room to explode.
They made the glass breakable and removed the TNT room completely, from what I can tell.
So, uhhhh....Now it seems like IGN is doing to do a list of the top 25 modern Nintendo games. I wonder how this one will go over.
I'm willing to bet that they'll probably end up ranking NSMB DS over NSMB Wii, and probably over-rate the hell out of some more gimmicky games and put more deserving games at lower rankings just because they love to fuck up any list that they make.
Let me guess... Super Mario Bros., Mario 64, or Ocarina Of Time will be number one.
EDIT: OH RIGHT, MODERN. NEVER MIND. IGNORE MY STUPIDITY.
Wii Sports Resort will get first place.
Ranking NSMB DS as their #1 choice will probably be their modern Nintendo equivalent of ranking Super Marios Bros. as the best Nintendo game (which they already DID do for their top 100 NES games list). Either that, or they'll probably do something stupid like rank the 1st Super Mario Galaxy over the 2nd one, or rank The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword over Twilight Princess (I haven't played either game, but I do know that TP is the one that is more liked by fans).
Whatever the case, its IGN, so you know that they'll find some way to fuck this list up.
I actually think IGN has put together some solid lists. Their top 20 for the Wii was quite good, for example.
Super Mario Galaxy 2, FTW.
If SMG1 is above 2, then I just don't know.
Still, I guarantee the Wii gets shafted for the DS for most picks. IGN simply loathes the Wii.
Well, they did give Skyward Sword a perfect score, and there are a lot of Wii games that they clearly like and have given a more than fair shake, so I wouldn't really say that they despise the Wii (once again, that notion belongs to G4). I do think that they have some unnatural bias for platformers, though, in that they prefer the handheld ones on the DS to the Wii ones for no good reason other than that they don't think that they should be paying full price for a console platformer.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on August 08, 2012, 07:35:00 PM
If SMG1 is above 2, then I just don't know.
Come on, that's a little far. SMG2 isn't
that much better than SMG. :P
I still haven't even played SMG2 yet. I feel like some sort of leper around here just saying that. :frown:
Hey, if you think that feels awkward, just keep in mind that I still haven't played EITHER Super Mario Galaxy game, yet. :>
Well I've played both, but I still haven't got around to NSMBWii.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on August 08, 2012, 08:04:33 PM
Hey, if you think that feels awkward, just keep in mind that I still haven't played EITHER Super Mario Galaxy game, yet. :>
Well, now I guess I feel a
little better. :sweat:
Quote from: Avaitor on August 08, 2012, 08:07:19 PM
Well I've played both, but I still haven't got around to NSMBWii.
Eh, same here.
I'm so behind on the Wii right now, it's not even funny.
You should cross reference their list with what we posted over in the Wii thread. I wonder how much overlap we'll see?
Quote from: talonmalon333 on August 08, 2012, 07:56:54 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on August 08, 2012, 07:35:00 PM
If SMG1 is above 2, then I just don't know.
Come on, that's a little far. SMG2 isn't that much better than SMG. :P
It's probably minority opinion, but I did play them back to back and really thought SMG2 just did everything better to such a great degree.
If there are two Wii games you absolutely must not miss out on it's NSMBWii (multiplayer especially) and SMG2.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on August 08, 2012, 08:20:52 PM
If there are two Wii games you absolutely must not miss out on it's NSMBWii (multiplayer especially) and SMG2.
Really? I mean NSMBW is a great game, but I don't think it's anything mindblowing, especially compared to either of the Galaxy games. And if you have SMB3 or SMW handy, it's no requirement if you ask me. :-\
Quote from: talonmalon333 on August 09, 2012, 12:36:15 AM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on August 08, 2012, 08:20:52 PM
If there are two Wii games you absolutely must not miss out on it's NSMBWii (multiplayer especially) and SMG2.
Really? I mean NSMBW is a great game, but I don't think it's anything mindblowing, especially compared to either of the Galaxy games. And if you have SMB3 or SMW handy, it's no requirement if you ask me. :-\
Super Mario World came out twenty years ago, though. And it doesn't have co-op multiplayer like this, in fact no game really does. That would be like skipping Galaxy because Sunshine exists, they're not quite the same thing despite similar ideas and approaches.
As far as 2D Mario, it's the best one in about two decades, too.
I've played through the first 3 worlds of NWMBW with my little sister, and I think its great.
Saying that its not a requirement just because SMB3 and SMW exist is pretty silly to me. Like Desensitized said, this game has its own elements that those games don't have, with the main thing being co-op. In addition that, its more good 2D Mario. Why on Earth would anyone want to pass that up? Good 2D Mario platforming makes up some of the best gameplay of all time.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on August 09, 2012, 12:38:48 AMSuper Mario World came out twenty years ago, though. And it doesn't have co-op multiplayer like this, in fact no game really does. That would be like skipping Galaxy because Sunshine exists, they're not quite the same thing despite similar ideas and approaches.
As far as 2D Mario, it's the best one in about two decades, too.
I don't mean to say that NSMBW isn't a requirement. But I think putting it in the top 2 most important is pretty big. Especially cause, as far as 2D platformers go, I actually think DKCR is
miles ahead of NSMBW in terms of quality.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on August 09, 2012, 12:41:04 AM
I've played through the first 3 worlds of NWMBW with my little sister, and I think its great.
Saying that its not a requirement just because SMB3 and SMW exist is pretty silly to me. Like Desensitized said, this game has its own elements that those games don't have, with the main thing being co-op. In addition that, its more good 2D Mario. Why on Earth would anyone want to pass that up? Good 2D Mario platforming makes up some of the best gameplay of all time.
That's not exactly how I meant it, though. It was in response to Spark saying NSMBW fits into the top 2 biggest requirements. To put it one way, if you could only own 2 Wii games, I think the best idea would be to get two other games, and just settle on sticking with SMB3 or SMW for that fix.
But in general, NSMBW is indeed a must own.
Quote from: talonmalon333 on August 09, 2012, 12:45:31 AM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on August 09, 2012, 12:38:48 AMSuper Mario World came out twenty years ago, though. And it doesn't have co-op multiplayer like this, in fact no game really does. That would be like skipping Galaxy because Sunshine exists, they're not quite the same thing despite similar ideas and approaches.
As far as 2D Mario, it's the best one in about two decades, too.
I don't mean to say that NSMBW isn't a requirement. But I think putting it in the top 2 most important is pretty big. Especially cause, as far as 2D platformers go, I actually think DKCR is miles ahead of NSMBW in terms of quality.
Well, obviously my opinion isn't for everyone, but it's well known around here that NSMBWii is basically my favorite game from this gen. :)
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on August 09, 2012, 12:50:19 AM
Quote from: talonmalon333 on August 09, 2012, 12:45:31 AM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on August 09, 2012, 12:38:48 AMSuper Mario World came out twenty years ago, though. And it doesn't have co-op multiplayer like this, in fact no game really does. That would be like skipping Galaxy because Sunshine exists, they're not quite the same thing despite similar ideas and approaches.
As far as 2D Mario, it's the best one in about two decades, too.
I don't mean to say that NSMBW isn't a requirement. But I think putting it in the top 2 most important is pretty big. Especially cause, as far as 2D platformers go, I actually think DKCR is miles ahead of NSMBW in terms of quality.
Well, obviously my opinion isn't for everyone, but it's well known around here that NSMBWii is basically my favorite game from this gen. :)
I actually didn't know that. Carry on, then. :sweat:
NSMBWii is a masterpiece. :thinkin:
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on August 09, 2012, 12:41:04 AM
I've played through the first 3 worlds of NWMBW with my little sister, and I think its great.
Saying that its not a requirement just because SMB3 and SMW exist is pretty silly to me. Like Desensitized said, this game has its own elements that those games don't have, with the main thing being co-op. In addition that, its more good 2D Mario. Why on Earth would anyone want to pass that up? Good 2D Mario platforming makes up some of the best gameplay of all time.
Righto, it's like skipping A Crack In Time because Going Commando and Up Your Arsenal exist.
Also, to flip one of your earlier statements, Spark, I would be totally fine with someone skipping Sunshine and going straight to Galaxy. .3.
Quote from: talonmalon333 on August 09, 2012, 12:54:34 AM
Also, to flip one of your earlier statements, Spark, I would be totally fine with someone skipping Sunshine and going straight to Galaxy. .3.
I actually think I sold my copy of Super Mario Sunshine since I can't find it anywhere.
Wow, I must have disliked that a lot. I've never sold a Mario game in my life.
It's the only Mario game I've sold, as well.
Oh, I also sold Paper Mario and Mario 64 after I bought them on the VC. But I don't think that really counts.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on August 09, 2012, 12:56:01 AM
Quote from: talonmalon333 on August 09, 2012, 12:54:34 AM
Also, to flip one of your earlier statements, Spark, I would be totally fine with someone skipping Sunshine and going straight to Galaxy. .3.
I actually think I sold my copy of Super Mario Sunshine since I can't find it anywhere.
Wow, I must have disliked that a lot. I've never sold a Mario game in my life.
For a BS-free series like Mario, the water backpack is the most shameless gimmick I've ever seen. "Hey let's make entire levels dedicated to doing nothing but slowly and boringly cleaning up mud". Just... why, Nintendo?
Quote from: Foggle on August 09, 2012, 01:00:10 AM
It's the only Mario game I've sold, as well.
Oh, I also sold Paper Mario and Mario 64 after I bought them on the VC. But I don't think that really counts.
It's possible to sell VC games?
I sold the physical versions because I bought them again for my Wii.
As I'm currently slogging through Sunshine at this very moment, I honestly can't believe I haven't sold my copy yet.
This game suuuuuuuuuucks.
I swear I'm the only person who loves Sunshine. ;D
I'd never sell my copy of Mario 64. Even if it isn't my favorite Mario game, I still hope that one day, I could possibly get it signed by Miyamoto.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on August 07, 2012, 06:18:16 PM
Basically, I find this gameplay clip to be really good compared to the original version of the level. I'd definitely play a full HL1 remake with those graphics and that general design. I could live with the cheesy voice-acting, honestly.
From one of the devs on the Black Mesa forums...
QuoteI'm planning to re-upload the video to our own YouTube channel in 1080p (which I assume is the same one that has been doing the Sendspace/Dropbox rounds on the forums). There's been some debate within the team about recording an updated version that addresses the feedback we've received, but I can't yet confirm if we'll actually be able to do that.
Quote
- We previously had two sets of voices for human grunts; a deeper, more gruff one for commanders, and a younger, cleaner one for regular grunts and medics. We've now given regular grunts the badass gruff voice as well, and all voices have had a radio-static filter applied. As a result, all human grunts now wear gasmasks.
- We are re-recording the human grunts scripted dialogue (i.e. scripted sequences, not their idle/combat chatter).
- We have replaced the song in this battle with an alternate track, one that's darker and more aggressive.
QuoteQuoteAll grunts now wear gasmasks? Squad leaders and medics as well?
The grunts do, but commanders and medics don't. They're meant to be visually distinct for gameplay reasons.
I fucking love these guys.
Quote from: Nel on August 09, 2012, 11:59:09 AM
I swear I'm the only person who loves Sunshine. ;D
I'm still here too :D
This goes out to Desen. (http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/teamt/paw/truncated/36119-truncated-ducktales)
After thinking about it, this is probably my top 5 for the Super Nintendo.
1. Chrono Trigger
2. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
3. Super Metroid
4. Super Mario World
5. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest / Super Castlevania IV (tie)
Hitman Blood Money and Hitman 2 are both on sale for $2.49 on Steam today. :thumbup:
My favorite games from this generation: (PSWii60/DSP... and PC)
1. Super Mario Galaxy 2
2. Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack In Time
3. New Super Mario Bros. Wii
4. Contra 4
5. Mega Man 9
6. Ys Oath In Felghana
7. Deadly Premonition
8. Valkyria Chronicles
9. Left 4 Dead 2
10. Halo Reach / GoldenEye Wii (best FPS campaigns, IMO)
Good generation, all told.
Good list man! For me,
1. F.E.A.R.
2. Bayonetta
3. Ratchet & Clank: A Crack In Time
4. Deus Ex: Human Revolution
5. Yakuza 4
6. Fatal Frame 4
7. Siren: Blood Curse
8. Hitman: Blood Money
9. Vanquish
10. Ninja Gaiden 2
Borderlands 2 and Dishonored will both probably find their way to this list in the future, but it's too early to rank them now.
EDIT: SHIT how did I forget about Hitman?
Borderlands is a good one too, but I bet the sequel will be better when I get around to playing more.
By the way, for those of you holding out to play GoldenEye, I heard the Reloaded port is inferior to the Wii version in that they crippled the stealth mechanic and made everything more COD in approach. Which is a real shame. :/
No stealth? Laaaame.
I'd want to play the Wii version anyway, if only for the unique control scheme.
There are a lot of controller options, which is always nice. Once I found the right settings, the game just flowed.
Either way, if you guys like FPS games this has a great campaign. But hearing that they gimped stealth in the HD port is a real drag since it added a ton of variety.
You guys both have good lists, which really reminds me of how much of the good stuff from the Wii I've missed out on this generation. :(
Here's my top 10:
1. F.E.A.R. (Kind of debatable which generation it belongs to, but I'll just count it anyways)
2. Ninja Gaiden 2
3. New Super Mario Bros. Wii (I never beat it, but its still better than most of what I've played this generation)
4. Halo: Reach (the multiplayer kind of sucks, but this is the first highly replayable campaign mode since the first game)
5. Alan Wake
6. BioShock
7. Sonic Generations
8. Shadow Complex
9. F.E.A.R. 2 (underrated)
10. Devil May Cry 4 (because its still a good hack n' slash game even if Capcom really cheeped out on it, which I hate to admit)
As you guys can see, I really haven't played a lot this generation due to both cost issues and time constraints. While I do genuinely like the last 4-5 games I listed, I was really kind of only listing them by default more than anything else because I haven't played much else this generation to decide over.
All after 1 and 2 are in no order. Still need to play Mass Effect 3, Max Payne 3 and Deus Ex Human Revolution.
1. (#1 overall) MGS4
2. (#3 or 4 overall) DMC4
NGS2
Mass Effect 2
Red Dead Redemption
Street Fighter IV (I can easily beat Seth on the hardest difficulty)
Bayonetta
Ratchet & Clank A crack In Time
Rayman Origins (Still need to beat)
Sonic Generations (Last boss makes me unmotivated)
Good lists, folks. I'll try to come up with one eventually. But I would say for now that SMG and SMG2 would easily top it.
I forgot to mention Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2. I had fun playing that with my lil bro today. What are the chances that 3 will be made?
Serious Sam 3 is finally available on XBLA! All FPS fans must buy this game now that it's been ported to Xbox. It's only 1200 banana points - a steal.
The First and Second Encounter HD remakes are also available on 360. Buy those too.
So I've decided to rank the Nintendo consoles in order. Not gonna include the portables, so someone else can do those if they wish.
1. SNES: Should go without saying. Arguably the best console with awesome games, and a whole lot of them. Chrono Trigger, Mario World 1-2, A Link to the Past, DKC trilogy, Super Metroid, the Mega Man X games, Secret of Mana, EarthBound, Final Fantasy 4-5, Clock Tower, Street Fighter 2, Castlevania 4, more Contra, Turtles in Time, Kirby Super Star, Super Ghouls 'n Ghosts, Zombies ate My Neighbors, various unknown gems... I'd like to go on, but I'll stop.
2. NES: Similar to the SNES in that it has a massive amount of great games. Those games are just not quite as good as the SNES ones. SMB 1-3, the Zeldas, Metroid, Kid Icarus, Ninja Gaiden 1-2, the Castlevania trilogy, numerous Mega Man games, Dragon Warriors, Punch Out, TMNT, Batman, Double Dragon, Contra, Kirby's Adventure, Final Fantasy games, Duck Tales, Kid Icarus, some more unknown gems, etc.
3. Wii: Simply for having an excellent first-party showing, even if the third-party support was lacking. Three Mario platformers (that includes Galaxy 1-2), Metroid, DKCR, Smash Bros. Brawl, two Kirby games, Zelda: Skyward Sword, Xenoblade, Last Story, Super Paper Mario, the ideal version of RE4, etc.
4. GC: Had a solid number of great games. Two fantastic Zelda games, Pikmin 1-2, Metroid, Super Smash Bros. Melee, F-Zero GX, some great RE games, Paper Mario 2, Mario Kart, Mario Golf, Eternal Darkness, great Skies of Arcadia port, Killer 7, Mario Sunshine, Soul Calibur 2, etc.
5. N64: Still a fun little system, but probably the worst due to the almost complete lack of third-party support, which clearly abandoned them for PS1. Mario 64, two Zelda games, Kirby 64, Paper Mario, Star Fox 64, F-Zero X, Conker, Smash Bros, etc.
Mine would be pretty similar to that. I actually do find that the NES seems somewhat underrated these days.
I present to you Zelda Informer's top 10 game lists for each Nintendo console.
Nintendo: http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/comments/zis-10-best-games-10-nintendo-systems-10-days-to-wii-u-nintendo-entertainme
Game Boy: http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/comments/zis-top-10-game-boy
Super Nintendo: http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/comments/zis-top-10-super-nintendo-entertainment-system
Nintendo 64: http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/comments/zis-top-10-nintendo-64
Game Boy Color: http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/comments/zis-top-10-game-boy-color
Game Boy Advance: http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/comments/zis-top-10-game-boy-advance
GameCube: http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/comments/zis-top-10-nintendo-gamecube
Nintendo DS: http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/comments/zis-top-10-nintendo-ds
Wii: http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/comments/zis-top-10-wii
Feel free to take a look at them and give your opinions. If you have any problems with them, don't worry about me. I wasn't part of its completion, so I won't mind. And I think many of the lists kinda suck. :P
The NES list is good except that Mega Man II and Contra below Kid Icarus, Metroid, and Zelda II is a bit ridiculous.
The Game Boy list is completely off except for #1, there is no way Super Mario Land 2 is a better game than Donkey Kong '94.
SNES list has great games, but DKC1 is WAY too high. I don't really have any issues with it otherwise, though.
I'll take a look at the others later.
Gamecube: Star Fox Assault shouldn't be higher than F-Zero GX and RE4 (or even be on this list at all for that matter). And Metroid Prime 2 shouldn't be higher than MP1, and WW and TP should switch places.
N64: SM64 and Smash Bros should switch places. And I don't think it's fair to list both Banjo games. I have no comment on the rest, other than that I'm glad MM ranked higher than OoT.
SNES: DKC1 over DKC2 is...odd. I thought it was universally agreed that 2 was the superior game? Other than that, pretty good list with solid games. Though, the lack of Illusion of Gaia in these lists always saddens me.
GBA: #1 is a really odd choice, it's not a bad game by any stretch, but it certaintly wouldn't be my pick. I also would've replaced Pokemon R/S/E with Megaman Zero 3, Golden Sun, or even one of the Metroidvania's.
GBC: All I can really say is that #9 was an unexpected choice, and they should've included both Oracle games instead of just one of them.
Wii: Eh, #2 or #4 should've been #1 over the actual #1. Good list otherwise.
DS: Good choice for #1. For #6, I thought Shadow Dragon was one of the least liked FE entries?
The Gamecube list is a hot mess. They call Wind Waker one of the pinnacles of the Zelda franchise and the cube in general, and then go to call it an absolute disaster in Twilight Princess's entry.
What?
Quote from: Avaitor on November 17, 2012, 04:14:03 PM
The Gamecube list is a hot mess. They call Wind Waker one of the pinnacles of the Zelda franchise and the cube in general, and then go to call it an absolute disaster in Twilight Princess's entry.
What?
QuoteWind Waker truly was, and is, one of the pinnacles of both the GameCube and the entire Zelda series.
QuoteAfter the absolute disaster that The Wind Waker was to the series, Twilight Princess singlehandedly brought back a ton of the fans who had lost faith in the series
Quote#7: Metroid Prime
Quote#6: Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
it didn't quite meet the greatness of the original
Yeah, the whole thing is just a mess. They even apologize for it in the DS article.
Also, I'm sorry, I just can't classify TP as a Gamecube game. I know that it was originally made for the console and did in fact come out for it, but it was a Wii launch title, and I still believe that more people played it there than on the cube.
Before I read your comments, here\s my thoughts on the other lists:
N64: Error 1 - GoldenEye with no Perfect Dark in sight. I honestly don't know how so many dismiss the latter. Both Banjo games is overkill, I would have stuck with one and left more room for others. Mario Kart 64 is still the most overrated N64 game of al time, it's not even the best (or second best) kart racer of the generation. I have to actually give them props for not putting SM64 at 1, but as a whole the list is just okay.
GBA: Too much Pokemon. Sorry guys, but one Pokemon game is enough for any list and IMO I disliked the GBA games at the time so I'm probably pretty biased here. No Ninja Five-O, Astro Boy, or Drill Dozer is a letdown, but I actually 100% agree with #1.
GC: ... Star Fox Assault? Huh? Super Mario Sunshine is on this list but Viewtiful Joe isn't. What. No Double Dash and TP over Wind Waker I disagree with, but it's not so bad.
DS: Some Hotel Dusk love is great to see. It's seriously one of my favorite adventure games. Radiant Historia is one of my favorite RPGs as is BIS. But, uh, where's Phoenix Wright? Contra 4? Space Invaders Extreme 2? Too many holes here... and still too much Pokemon.
Wii: Metroid Prime Trilogy is kind of cheating. I have to disagree most with this list because there is a lot missing that should be. Mario Kart Wii but no Punch Out? Huh? But the biggest disagreement:
QuoteSuper Mario Galaxy 2 brought a lot of innovation to the table, and while it got rid of some great features from its predecessor
Nothing worth losing was lost in the sequel. I can see people preferring the original, but the sequel didn't remove anything people enjoyed from the original that isn't superficial.
All in all. Ehhhh, could be way better. If only there was a site out there that would make a good videogame list.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on November 17, 2012, 06:06:19 PM
I have to actually give them props for not putting SM64 at 1
It's a Zelda site, and both OoT and MM were on the N64. What did you expect? :lol:
QuoteMetroid Prime Trilogy is kind of cheating.
I guess you can just pretend that they meant MP3. ;)
Quote from: Foggle on November 17, 2012, 06:10:26 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on November 17, 2012, 06:06:19 PM
I have to actually give them props for not putting SM64 at 1
It's a Zelda site, and both OoT and MM were on the N64. What did you expect? :lol:
Well, it's usually OOT or SM64 so I still have to give them a nod on that.
Oh, forgot GBC. That was the worst list. Too many ports, double entries, and no obscure games other than Shantae. If they put Super Mario Deluxe or the Orace games as two separate entries, where's Link's Awakening DX?
Quote from: Avaitor on November 17, 2012, 04:14:03 PM
The Gamecube list is a hot mess. They call Wind Waker one of the pinnacles of the Zelda franchise and the cube in general, and then go to call it an absolute disaster in Twilight Princess's entry.
What?
Yeah, about that... they let a guy who's a massive TP fanboy/WW hater write the TP summary. :P
Quote#7: Metroid Prime
Quote#6: Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
it didn't quite meet the greatness of the original
Yeah, I was confused by that part, too. Almost makes it sound like their questioning their own list.
Quote from: Avaitor on November 17, 2012, 04:24:14 PM
Also, I'm sorry, I just can't classify TP as a Gamecube game. I know that it was originally made for the console and did in fact come out for it, but it was a Wii launch title, and I still believe that more people played it there than on the cube.
I still consider it a GC title, largely cause the Wii port is a mirrored vision of it.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on November 17, 2012, 06:06:19 PM
Nothing worth losing was lost in the sequel. I can see people preferring the original, but the sequel didn't remove anything people enjoyed from the original that isn't superficial.
While not much, I actually preferred the style of the original. It was more space-esque, from the look of the game and its soundtrack. The sequel feels much more like typical Mario, which is a good thing. I just preferred SMG1's atmosphere.
Quote from: Foggle on November 17, 2012, 06:10:26 PM
It's a Zelda site, and both OoT and MM were on the N64. What did you expect? :lol:
They at least knew not to put the DS Zelda games high on those lists. Though I had hoped fanboyism would keep them from putting Skyward Sword at #1 on the Wii list. :P
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on November 17, 2012, 06:11:50 PM
Oh, forgot GBC. That was the worst list. Too many ports, double entries, and no obscure games other than Shantae. If they put Super Mario Deluxe or the Orace games as two separate entries, where's Link's Awakening DX?
I think they mentioned they didn't want to include DX titles... but apparently Super Mario Deluxe is fine. :lol:
I might list all of my issues with the choices at some point. If ZI had made these lists years ago, with their old staff members, I feel pretty confident the choices would be much better. As they are though, I think the lists are mostly bad, especially the GameCube and Wii lists.
Uh, no. Fusion should be at the bottom of the list at best. Too many of the bosses suck and Metroid controls on the GBA isn't the greatest thing in the world.
Astro should be on the list (at #1 :humhumhum: )
The only thing Galaxy 2 lost from the first was any resemblance of a story.
2 really was just "Mario must face Bowser", but even then, who cares about the story in Mario? It's the gameplay that matters, and 2 was just that much more fun than the first.
Also, idk about you guys, but I would have put WarioWare at #1 for GBA games.
Quote from: gunswordfist on November 17, 2012, 06:26:37 PM
Uh, no. Fusion should be at the bottom of the list at best. Too many of the bosses suck and Metroid controls on the GBA isn't the greatest thing in the world.
That's why you play Fusion and Zero Mission on the GameCube, PC, or Wii. :P
I still can't believe none of the lists house the best Mario Kart games. So weird.
Quote from: Foggle on November 17, 2012, 06:30:51 PM
Quote from: gunswordfist on November 17, 2012, 06:26:37 PM
Uh, no. Fusion should be at the bottom of the list at best. Too many of the bosses suck and Metroid controls on the GBA isn't the greatest thing in the world.
That's why you play Fusion and Zero Mission on the GameCube, PC, or Wii. :P
I play it on my GB Micro and 3DS. Big and small, it still feels good to me, and I have big hands!
The only boss in Fusion I don't like is the one where you fall into a bit and take constant damage and can't get out. That rivals Mother Brain as NES level cheapness I can do without.
I love using the Game Boy Player (remember that!?) or a PC emulator to play the GBA Metroid games. They actually look damn good on the big screen, and I think they play much better with a gamepad.
Quote from: Spark of SpiritI still can't believe none of the lists house the best Mario Kart games. So weird
I was never really big on Double Dash, so its exclusion didn't bother me. :humhumhum:
No SMK was odd though.
Seems a lot of you guys think SMG2 was easily better than SMG1.
I mean, I guess I agree. But in my mind, it's pretty much a 10/10 versus a 9.99/10 difference. They are both by far my favorite Mario games, and are side by side as some of my all time favorites.
I think it's better, but if someone likes the original better they have very good reasons to think its better. But the hub world, story, and atmosphere are disposable reasons and more about preference than thinking its better. The thing is, most lists that put 1 over 2 never seem to really explain it beyond those superficial reasons even though there are legit reasons for preferring it as a whole.
Quote from: Rynnec on November 17, 2012, 06:43:00 PM
Quote from: Spark of SpiritI still can't believe none of the lists house the best Mario Kart games. So weird
I was never really big on Double Dash, so its exclusion didn't bother me. :humhumhum:
:unimpressed:
QuoteNo SMK was odd though.
No SMK, or MKDS (even if I don't care for it I know it's a fan favorite) either is strange. MKWii and MK64 as the only representation is odd.
I know that MK64 gets mixed opinions overall, but I though MKWii was agreed to be a good Mario game aside from cheap AI? I would've replaced Mario Kart 64 with F-Zero X.
And Star Fox Assault ranking higher than both GX and RE4 is just wrong on so many levels.
I like Mario Kart Wii, but it has the same problem as MK64 to me where there are clearly better options to play. The item spam REALLY hurts the game to me and the battle mode isn't too great with the team only stuff. Otherwise I think it's great. The tracks are excellent.
Star Fox Assault is just weird. At least Adventures I could understand.
You guys are surprised SMK didn't make the SNES list? I mean, it's a great game, and arguably the best in the series. But this is an SNES list. Ya gotta leave out some classics. :P
Also, RE4 at #10 should be a punishable crime, particularly when Sunshine is #5.
A break from previous discussion...
So I hope all you guys who wanted the Donkey Kong Country games on the Virtual Console have purchased them, because as of today Nintendo has removed them from the service.
I only had DKC 2 downloaded :-\. Had I known I would've bought the other two.
They've been removed before, just FYI. I don't know why they keep getting taken down, but that's why I got them all ASAP when they went up. It must be an issue with Rare and licensing.
Also I'm still hoping for the GBA version of 3 to comes to the 3DS eventually.
Quote from: Avaitor on November 17, 2012, 04:24:14 PM
Yeah, the whole thing is just a mess. They even apologize for it in the DS article.
Also, I'm sorry, I just can't classify TP as a Gamecube game. I know that it was originally made for the console and did in fact come out for it, but it was a Wii launch title, and I still believe that more people played it there than on the cube.
TP is a clear GC game. The only thing they changed in the Wii port is the controls.
And people are still bitching because DK 64 never got a rerelease. I personally hope that game never sees the light of day again.
And DKC 3 is better than DKC 1. Just thought I'd reiterate that.
That game would need a lot of reworking to get released. I don't think Nintendo is interested in doing that, since they've turned pretty sour on it over the years.
But I agree, I do prefer DKC3 to 1 most of the time. Though I like the OST in 1 better than SNES 3.
Quote from: Comeau on November 17, 2012, 07:50:36 PM
A break from previous discussion...
So I hope all you guys who wanted the Donkey Kong Country games on the Virtual Console have purchased them, because as of today Nintendo has removed them from the service.
I only had DKC 2 downloaded :-\. Had I known I would've bought the other two.
Aww, damn! I only had the first one. :cry:
Oh, I might be able to talk to the guy at the flea market to sell me the first 2 DKC's for $30 together. I might even trade in my DVD of Peter Pan and have to pay even less.
I still need to find the first DKC boxed, it's the only one of the original trilogy I don't have boxed. And I also have all three of the GBA games with boxes, plus the GBC port of DKC boxed.
I see MK64 on so many "best of" lists, and it never ceases to completely blow me away how overrated this game is.
It was
never that good, even before Diddy Kong Racing completely outclassed it in ever facet imaginable. Hell, I'd even go as far to say that the Disney kart racer (Mickey's Speedway something or other; can't remember the exact name off hand) on the N64 was better.
Quote from: Comeau on November 17, 2012, 10:03:06 PM
And people are still bitching because DK 64 never got a rerelease. I personally hope that game never sees the light of day again.
It's amazing how quickly Rare began to lose their way, even back during the N64 days.
Banjo-Kazooie was the
perfect 3D platformer... and they follow that up a year later with possibly the most bloated video game of all time. What happened? Granted, Tooie and BFD were still in the cards, but you know what I mean.
LittleBigPlanet Karting is a better kart racer than MK64.
Shit, try and say that with a straight face. Seriously, LittleBigPlanet? Karting?! Sony?
Oh, and Tooie sucks as much or worse than DK64, blah blah blah.
I can get some enjoyment out of Tooie... at least until you get to Grunty Industries. Fuck that level and all that it stands for.
If nothing else, at least the humor still holds up (no Monkey Rap plz).
The guy at the flea market that has the first 2 DKCs also has a copy of Banjo-Tooie.
Part of me really wants to play it again, but another part doesn't want my childhood memories to be ruined. So I might just compromise and wait until I can find a copy of it from a thrift store owned by people that don't understand the second-hand cost of older games and sell it for dirt cheap, like when I got to play Kazooie again.
I would've given you my copy had I known, but alas it got traded in months ago, coincidentally along with DK 64. Can't remember what games I traded them for, but I'm sure they were better than those games.
I couldn't bear myself enough to get rid of Kazooie though, despite having it on my Xbox.
Quote from: Comeau on November 17, 2012, 11:56:30 PM
LittleBigPlanet Karting is a better kart racer than MK64.
Kart racers better than Mario Kart 64:
Super Mario Kart
Mickey Speedway USA
Diddy Kong Racing
Crash Team Racing
Mario Kart Super Circuit
Konami Krazy Racers
Mario Kart Double Dash
Sonic & Sega All Star Racing
Mario Kart Wii
Mario Kart DS
Modnation Racers
Littlebigplanet Karting
Mario Kart 7
Sonic & All Star Racing Transformed
Those are just a small handful. Seriously, when people say MK64 is the best kart racer I have to wonder if they've ever actually played another one.
Wait, is LBP Karting actually good? Because you know I'm kind of writing it off based on its name/ip, but I guess if you can't judge a book by its cover...
It's around average from what I've heard. Which probably says more about how I feel about MK64 than anything to do with LBPK.
That franchise really does have a terrible name.
F-Zero X >>> Mario Kart 64
Quote from: talonmalon333 on November 18, 2012, 01:34:35 AM
F-Zero X >>> Mario Kart 64
Yep.
I don't know, though. When MK64 came out I thought it was a huge disappointment, and am constantly befuddled when people bring it up as one of the best. The tracks in that one are some of the series worst.
I'm still unsure, though, what makes it so inferior to Super Mario Kart.
Wide courses with nothing to do VS. short and tight courses with tons of tricky turns and bumps.
There's also the framerate, the muddy and blurry graphics, and there's even less overall courses.
About the only thing I liked from MK64 was the battle mode and that was only for 4 player. Once DKR and CTR came out, MK64 pretty much vanished from our N64s.
I still like that games Bowser's Castle. Rainbow Road was kind of cool if only for that awesome jump you can do at the start, the stage is kind of bland otherwise, with some good music to make up for it.
I'd like to mention that Super Mario Kart was guilty of being very cheap, with Mario and Luigi getting free stars and all that.
Also, Mario Kart 64 brought us this ending theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txe5UbkbqK0
Oh yeah, there are good points to it. Royal Raceway is a great track and I still think Luigi Circuit is a perfect starting course, but as a whole I just find it dull.
I'd also like to mention that even if MK64 looks blurry, SMK's colors are too solid. :P
SMK ain't perfect, I agree. It's certainly no OutRun, but I do still like playing it every now and then.
I have also thought that MK64 was overrated. I gave the game a try for awhile but in the end I came to the conclusion that its set of courses are just not that good.
Yeah, whenever we play N64 at my friend's house, I get bored of Mario Kart easily, while I could go up in Smash for hours.
Besides the hideous blocky graphics (even Mario 64 has aged better, and that was the launch title!), there just isn't much fun or replay value in there as there are other MK games. It's also totally interference central.
Yep, Smash is the easy choice there.
Personally, I'd like to play Mario Tennis or something for a change of pace. I'd bring over my copy of Mario Party 3 if we were still doing it.
That reminds me, I've been in the mode to play games like Mario Party and Bomberman.
Thoughts on this list? (http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/bt/the-sage/specials/37647-sages-top-ten-favorite-games)
Can someone just post his top 10 entries? Personally I can't stand this guy's videos so I'm not sitting through 30 minutes of this. Sorry, but my opinions on gaming just can't seem to match up with Sage's in the slightest, and I don't care if I'm being biased.
10- Secret of Mana
9- Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
8- Mass Effect 2
7- Rock Band 3
6- Bioshock
5- Indigo Prophecy
4- The Suffering
3- Final Fantasy IV
2- Crono Cross
1- Metal Gear Solid
Yeah, I can see how Sage annoys you with his tastes in gaming. There's some good stuff here, his entries started out promising, and obviously like him, the first MGS had a strong impact on me, but he seems very biased towards story in gaming over most else, even atmosphere for the most part. In his piece for FF IV (another game I'm partial to, so it's not like I'm holding it against Sage for singing its praises), he even said how games like this proved that there's more to gaming than just "Mario jumping over Pirhana Plants", or something to that extent. Yeah, okay.
I'm not familiar with his other videos, but I've been watching his Top 10s out of curiosity, with mixed results. His movies list especially bugged me, since he didn't have a film made any earlier than 1970 on it, and he seemed kind of reluctant to add that particular film (Little Big Giant) in. His top 10 artists faired better for me, but I can't take a guy who prefers Kings of the Stone Age to Kyuss seriously. I haven't bothered with his anime list yet.
Quote5- Indigo Prophecy
I can hear Foggle cringing from here.
The dude has no platformers on his list, so it goes without saying that I disagree.
Quote from: Avaitor on January 02, 2013, 09:41:46 PM
10- Secret of Mana
Still haven't gotten to it. But from everything I hear, it seems to deserve a place here.
Quote from: Avaitor on January 02, 2013, 09:41:46 PM
9- Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
8- Mass Effect 2
Can't argue with these at all.
Quote from: Avaitor on January 02, 2013, 09:41:46 PM
7- Rock Band 3
Huh?
Quote from: Avaitor on January 02, 2013, 09:41:46 PM
1- Metal Gear Solid
Of course it's excellent, and I can't argue with this. But I think MGS3 beats it in every way. Few games compare to that in terms of story and gameplay.
Quote from: talonmalon333 on January 02, 2013, 10:10:22 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on January 02, 2013, 09:41:46 PM
7- Rock Band 3
Huh?
According to Sage, this is the game he clocked the most hours in over all, especially when you combine RB3 with the previous 2.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on January 02, 2013, 09:48:57 PM
Quote5- Indigo Prophecy
I can hear Foggle cringing from here.
A decent list overall, but yeah. :wth:
QuoteThe dude has no platformers on his list, so it goes without saying that I disagree.
Also, this.
I'm just going to share my top 10. If I were to even attempt to do a top 25, it'll be chucked full of sequels and prequels.
01. Street Fighter 4/Super/Arcade Edition/2012
02. Marvel vs Capcom 3/Ultimate
03. Devil May Cry 3
04. Mass Effect 2
05. Shenmue
06. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater/Subsistence
07. Okami
08. Halo: Reach
09. Assassin's Creed 2
10. Final Fantasy 8
Honorable mention: Ninja Gaiden 2, God of War 2, Gears of War 2, Goldeneye 007, Perfect Dark (N64)
Even though I have it, I've yet to play Uncharted 2. I have seen the game played from beginning to end, and enjoyed what I've seen. When I do play it, I'm pretty sure that Final Fantasy 8 will go into the honorable mention. Same with MGS3. I have MGS4, but I've yet to play it. (I have a lot of games in the backlog that I've yet to play due to me putting in what little time I have in trying to get better in SSF4)
I'm actually currently playing DMC3, which is great and I can see cracking my top 10 list eventually. That said, my favorite hack n' slash game has always been Ninja Gaiden Black. Its one of the few games that gets better the more I replay it, with the harder difficulty settings changing things up greatly from enemy types to item placement, and the mission mode on top of that is extremely addicting and caused me to sink just as many hours into it as I spent on the story mode, effectively doubling the length of the game. To this day I don't think that I've ever found a game that personally offers me more replay incentive and value than this one. Everything about it just feels like its cranked out to its possible best. That's an experience that I've only gotten from a few other games ever made, such as Yoshi's Island, Resident Evil 4, F.E.A.R., and basically any of the other games that managed to make my top 10 list, but NGB has always been my favorite of them by far. That said I'm pretty sure I'm the only one here who's bothered to beat that game on any difficulty above Normal, let alone Master Ninja mode at that.
Halo: Combat Evolved is still probably my favorite campaign mode, despite how horrendous of a level The Library is. That said, Halo: Reach is the most consistently good Halo campaign mode and easily the best one of this generation as well as the best one since the first game, IMO. It easily tops Halo 2, 3, ODST, and 4 in terms of quality and content. That's referring to the campaign mode, though. I still think that Halo 3 has the best multiplayer, whereas Halo: Reach's multiplayer was a bit of a disappointment for me, but honestly I'm one of the few people who actually mainly only plays Halo games for the campaign mode, anyways, so it didn't bother me that much.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on January 03, 2013, 12:47:14 AM
I'm actually currently playing DMC3, which is great and I can see cracking my top 10 list eventually. That said, my favorite hack n' slash game has always been Ninja Gaiden Black. Its one of the few games that gets better the more I replay it, with the harder difficulty settings changing things up greatly from enemy types to item placement, and the mission mode on top of that is extremely addicting and caused me to sink just as many hours into it as I spent on the story mode, effectively doubling the length of the game. To this day I don't think that I've ever found a game that personally offers me more replay incentive and value than this one. Everything about it just feels like its cranked out to its possible best. That's an experience that I've only gotten from a few other games ever made, such as Yoshi's Island, Resident Evil 4, F.E.A.R., and basically any of the other games that managed to make my top 10 list, but NGB has always been my favorite of them by far. That said I'm pretty sure I'm the only one here who's bothered to beat that game on any difficulty above Normal, let alone Master Ninja mode at that.
Halo: Combat Evolved is still probably my favorite campaign mode, despite how horrendous of a level The Library is. That said, Halo: Reach is the most consistently good Halo campaign mode and easily the best one of this generation as well as the best one since the first game, IMO. It easily tops Halo 2, 3, ODST, and 4 in terms of quality and content. That's referring to the campaign mode, though. I still think that Halo 3 has the best multiplayer, whereas Halo: Reach's multiplayer was a bit of a disappointment for me, but honestly I'm one of the few people who actually mainly only plays Halo games for the campaign mode, anyways, so it didn't bother me that much.
I'll go into detail about my choices a little later, but for now, yes I agree that Ninja Gaiden Black, hell, even Ninja Gaiden 2 are great games. Ninja Gaiden has some of, if not, the best controls you could ever want in beat em up/hack n slash game (NG2 improves upon that greatly), but for me, Dante and Vergil are my favorite characters in video games, and with Dante being flashy, and Vergil being cutthroat just won me over. My dream game is to have a game with DMC's flashiness, GoW's camera (and graphics), and NG's controls/gameplay elements (and of course having characters like Dante and/or Vergil, Ryu is always a plus). No doubt when I played NG2 on mentor it turned into a completely different game, but, unfortunately for me, my thirst for challenge is gone. I play games just to have fun and relieve stress/anger.
As far as Halo goes, I'm not a multiplayer guy. The only way I'd do multiplayer is if there's a bunch of us playing Street Fighter or Marvel, but I'm a sucker for the Halo campaigns (although I will say that I didn't like ODST at all). I don't know what it was about Reach, but everything just felt good. I enjoyed the characters (hell, my gamer tag for PSN is NobleSavage). But what really pushed Reach over the others was that there were no floods what-so-ever. As much as I like Chief, I hate them floods. They make going through the later levels a chore whereas Reach just buffed up the covenant and it all felt good.
Quote from: Grave on January 03, 2013, 01:21:55 AM
I'll go into detail about my choices a little later, but for now, yes I agree that Ninja Gaiden Black, hell, even Ninja Gaiden 2 are great games. Ninja Gaiden has some of, if not, the best controls you could ever want in beat em up/hack n slash game (NG2 improves upon that greatly), but for me, Dante and Vergil are my favorite characters in video games, and with Dante being flashy, and Vergil being cutthroat just won me over. My dream game is to have a game with DMC's flashiness, GoW's camera (and graphics), and NG's controls/gameplay elements (and of course having characters like Dante and/or Vergil, Ryu is always a plus). No doubt when I played NG2 on mentor it turned into a completely different game, but, unfortunately for me, my thirst for challenge is gone. I play games just to have fun and relieve stress/anger.
I agree that Dante and Vergil are great characters in terms of their personalities. Dante is a really fun character that has a great sense of humor but can also be taken as a serious threat, whereas Vergil makes for a great villain to face Dante and as his brother is really the only person in the series who has ever been worthy of being a rival to him. Ryu is a great character to control from a gameplay standpoint, but he's way too stoic and dull in terms of his personality, which makes sense because he's a world-class ninja and basically a trained killer, but his personality honestly makes him kind of boring, even if I do like his sense of honor that most other characters from hack n' slash games seem to lack. Bayonetta is probably supposed to come off as a playful tomboy and maybe a bit like a female version of Dante, but whereas Dante is likable, Bayonetta comes off a bit more like a bitch to me then a fun character. And as for Kratos, there's just something about him that I can't stand. I get that they are trying to push him as a bad-ass by making him ruthless, but to me he just comes off like a dick who I really have no sympathy for. Really, Dante is the only main character from a hack n' slash series that I find to a good character at all, and Vergil is the only worthwhile villain that I've seen in this genre. And of course they both have great gameplay as well. ;)
As for NGB compared to NG2, I love both games myself, but NGB wins out for me since NG2 clearly has a lot of flaws. The camera seemed to have been changed for the worse, whereas I honestly had very little problems with the camera in the first game. But my main gripes is with the game's balance issues, which aren't really all that apparent on the Acolyte or Warrior difficulties, but start to rear their ugly head on Mentor and Master Ninja mode. On Mentor, those cheap enemy tactics can be manageable and they aren't frequent enough to spoil the experience, which makes Mentor mode my preferred method of play for the game. But Master Ninja mode on NG2 turned out to be one of the most frustrating experiences I've ever had with a game that I've actually bothered to finish, and beating it on that difficulty could feel like a real chore most of the time. With Ninja Gaiden Black, the game felt way more balanced, and far more polished at that. I also liked its pacing better, as it knew the right time to give you a break from the fights rather than just throwing constant action at you. It also had better level design, IMO, with a less linear structure and more room for exploration, and I actually preferred the lower enemy count but more balanced enemy AI to the higher enemy count and more blindly aggressive enemy AI that NG2 had. That said, I think NG2 has the best combat system in any hack n' slash or melee-based action game by far, and its still probably my favorite hack n' slash game from this generation, despite its flaws.
QuoteAs far as Halo goes, I'm not a multiplayer guy. The only way I'd do multiplayer is if there's a bunch of us playing Street Fighter or Marvel, but I'm a sucker for the Halo campaigns (although I will say that I didn't like ODST at all).
Personally, I actually enjoyed ODST more than Halo 2 and 3 by quite a bit, with Halo 2 having more sections that annoyed me than ones that I had fun with, and Halo 3 having a pretty bland campaign mode experience, IMO. That isn't to say that I found ODST to be great, but aside from the pointless hub area in-between levels that dragged down the pace of the game, I found the game to be much more enticing to play that any of the direct Halo sequels.
QuoteI don't know what it was about Reach, but everything just felt good. I enjoyed the characters (hell, my gamer tag for PSN is NobleSavage). But what really pushed Reach over the others was that there were no floods what-so-ever. As much as I like Chief, I hate them floods. They make going through the later levels a chore whereas Reach just buffed up the covenant and it all felt good.
I agree, the lack of Flood and more focus on making balanced combat with the Covenant made Reach the most consistently good Halo game in the entire series, IMO. Halo 3: ODST may have had no Flood, but it also had no Elites which is my favorite enemy type in the game. Halo 4 also has no Flood, but it has a lesser evil in the form of Promethean Knights and Watchers, which, while not as bad as the Flood, honestly aren't that much fun to fight, especially with the Knights being as overpowered as they are in how they abuse that cheap teleportation ability.
That said, I only really had a problem with the Flood in Halo: Combat Evolved in The Library. In 343 Guilty Spark they weren't that bad because they didn't have any weapons until towards the very end of the level. In the rest of the campaign mode, they were actually fun to fight since Bungie wisely mixed them in with the Covenant and Sentinels and had each side fighting against one another. This was great because it made it so that not every enemy was completely focused on you, and you could either sit back and let 2 groups of enemies take some of each other out and then capitalize on finishing them both off once their forces were weakened, or you could let one group finish off another group if you were more patient and finish off the remaining enemies from the remaining group, or you could even skip entire battles while 2 sides were distracted from you since they'd be too busy fighting each other. It gave you multiple options to deal with really interesting situations that unfortunately rarely ever came up in any of the subsequent Halo games, which is a feature that I really miss from the first game, and in an odd way it managed to take the biggest weakness of the series on the whole and actually turn it into a creative way to approach battles, and it was done in the first game itself, at that. The Flood just downright sucked in Halo 2 and 3, though, and it didn't help that by that point you were mostly basically forced to fight them alone, rather than having a lot of the interesting combat situations that the first game offered.
QuoteRyu is a great character to control from a gameplay standpoint, but he's way too stoic and dull in terms of his personality, which makes sense because he's a world-class ninja and basically a trained killer, but his personality honestly makes him kind of boring, even if I do like his sense of honor that most other characters from hack n' slash games seem to lack.
For the most part I agree, but I like that kind of character as well. And even then he's what I expect a ninja to be. I don't want to see a ninja that's some sort of hyperactive idiot.
QuoteAnd as for Kratos, there's just something about him that I can't stand. I get that they are trying to push him as a bad-ass by making him ruthless, but to me he just comes off like a dick who I really have no sympathy for.
We're in agreement here. I have a hard time calling Kratos a bad-ass mainly because he's so ruthless. I consider Dante to be the ultimate bad-ass.
I refuse to even bother talking about some of the enemies in NG2, especially on the higher difficulty levels. I'll just say I hate them damn dogs, water thingies, and whatever those dinosaur creatures are that you can really only attack with projectiles. I can probably go in on those things alone lol.
QuotePersonally, I actually enjoyed ODST more than Halo 2 and 3 by quite a bit, with Halo 2 having more sections that annoyed me than ones that I had fun with, and Halo 3 having a pretty bland campaign mode experience, IMO. That isn't to say that I found ODST to be great, but aside from the pointless hub area in-between levels that dragged down the pace of the game, I found the game to be much more enticing to play that any of the direct Halo sequels.
My thing with ODST is in FPS, I'm the type that like to go in guns blazing, and because ammo seems to be so scarce made it seem like I had to sneak through the game. Never finished it because of that.
It's weird to hear talk about Halo 2. I know I played it, but I don't remember anything about it at all. In some ways I can see bits and pieces of the game, but nothing about it truly stands out that I can remember. I will say that since Bungie or rather, 343 remade Combat Evolved they need to do the same to Halo 2. I would love to experience the game again.
I know this is some people's favorites around here so, Bayonetta could get an eshop release if Nintendo wants it. (http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2013/01/platinum_games_hideki_kamiya_bayonetta_eshop_release_down_to_sega_or_nintendo%5B/url)
More chances for the game to succeed seem like a good idea to me. It might help promote the sequel and the eshop at the same time, too.
I won't say it won't happen, but that's really just a typical flippant Kamiya Twitter response rather than a statement intended to make people hopeful. Plus, if Bayo did get ported to the Wii U, Platinum would have to be the ones behind it, as they've stated before that they will never let a third party group port one of their games again after what happened with Bayo on the PS3, and they simply don't have the time or money to go back to 2010. This is why you'll never see Vanquish on the PC or MadWorld on the PS3, despite the fact that they'd fit very well on those systems.
Alright, here's my somewhat revised list (as this thing is ALWAYS changing):
10. Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening (This could potentially climb even higher when I finally get to my Vergil play-through)
9. Mega Man X
8. The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages/Seasons (I alternate these 2 with The Wind Waker every now and then)
7. F.E.A.R.
6. Resident Evil 4
5. Max Payne
4. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest (Can occasionally alternate with Super Mario World, for me)
3. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
2. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
1. Ninja Gaiden Black
Jet Set Radio Future, The Wind Waker, and SMW are the 3 games that got cut off of my list, this time. Now, to be fair, as you guys can clearly see, my top 3 games never really change, so I'm not just one of those people who constantly changes what my most favorite games of all time are, because they just mean that much to me. Anything below that, though, can certainly be considered to be one of my favorites, but since 10 is so few a number of spots, occasionally my preferred favorites will change depending on my general mood at that period of time.
Some Honorable Mentions:
Sonic the Hedgehog 2
Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles
Halo: Combat Evolved
Halo: Reach
Jet Set Radio Future
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
Super Mario World
And a bunch of other games that would take me forever to list.
I should get around to posting a top 10 in the near future. I'm currently in the process of playing some games that I've wanted to play for ages (but kept pushing off for one reason or another), as well as replaying a few longtime favorites. Once I'm done with them I think I'll settle on a new list.
My favorite Genesis games:
1. Sonic The Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles
2. Shinobi III: Return Of The Ninja Master
3. Rocket Knight Adventures
4. Ristar
5. Gunstar Heroes
6. Streets Of Rage 2
7. Monster World IV
8. Mega Turrican
9. Ranger-X
10. Contra Hard Corps.
11. Castle Of Illusion
12. Phantasy Star IV
13. Strider (Yes, I finally played this port!)
14. Pulseman
15. Rolling Thunder 3
16. Comix Zone
17. World Of Illusion
18. Flashback
19. Quack Shot
20. Super Fantasy Zone
Yes, I stuck to one per series (the Illusion games don't play much alike) and tried to avoid multi-plats.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on January 29, 2013, 08:49:03 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on January 29, 2013, 08:30:35 PM
3. Rocket Knight Adventures
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I introduced that to a friend a few months ago. He was amazed that such a game was actually made!
Its easily one of the most underrated Genesis classics that I have had the pleasure of playing. I'm so glad that I actually watched that Happy Video Game Nerd episode introducing me to the game by hyping it up. While I do think that he generally overrates some of the games that he tries to get more people to play (though the other ones that I have tried are still pretty good), RKA is that one game that he was absolutely right about. Its just brilliant. I honestly like it just as much as I like Sonic 3 & Knuckles, and overall its easily one of the best platformers that I've ever played, though I still have yet to find anything that even comes close to Yoshi's Island for me, personally.
Well, obviously, I recommend every game in that list. They might not top Yoshi's Island (few games do), but some are pretty close!
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on January 29, 2013, 08:30:35 PM
My favorite Genesis games:
1. Sonic The Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles
2. Shinobi III: Return Of The Ninja Master
3. Rocket Knight Adventures
4. Ristar
5. Gunstar Heroes
6. Streets Of Rage 2
7. Monster World IV
8. Mega Turrican
9. Ranger-X
10. Contra Hard Corps.
11. Castle Of Illusion
12. Phantasy Star IV
13. Strider (Yes, I finally played this port!)
14. Pulseman
15. Rolling Thunder 3
16. Comix Zone
17. World Of Illusion
18. Flashback
19. Quack Shot
20. Super Fantasy Zone
Yes, I stuck to one per series (the Illusion games don't play much alike) and tried to avoid multi-plats.
Decided to do a Genesis list, rather than an all time one?
He already did an all-time one before. It probably just hasn't changed since then.
Quote from: talonmalon333 on January 29, 2013, 09:24:26 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on January 29, 2013, 08:30:35 PM
My favorite Genesis games:
1. Sonic The Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles
2. Shinobi III: Return Of The Ninja Master
3. Rocket Knight Adventures
4. Ristar
5. Gunstar Heroes
6. Streets Of Rage 2
7. Monster World IV
8. Mega Turrican
9. Ranger-X
10. Contra Hard Corps.
11. Castle Of Illusion
12. Phantasy Star IV
13. Strider (Yes, I finally played this port!)
14. Pulseman
15. Rolling Thunder 3
16. Comix Zone
17. World Of Illusion
18. Flashback
19. Quack Shot
20. Super Fantasy Zone
Yes, I stuck to one per series (the Illusion games don't play much alike) and tried to avoid multi-plats.
Decided to do a Genesis list, rather than an all time one?
My overall doesn't change too much. So I just decided to do a systems list instead.
Fair enough. I won't ask you to dig that up. But at the least, what is your #1 favorite? I vaguely remember you saying Super Mario Bros. 3, though I could be remembering wrong or thinking of someone else.
Nope, that was me!
Quote from: Grave on January 03, 2013, 12:25:45 AM
01. Street Fighter 4/Super/Arcade Edition/2012
02. Marvel vs Capcom 3/Ultimate
03. Devil May Cry 3
04. Mass Effect 2
05. Shenmue
06. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater/Subsistence
07. Okami
08. Halo: Reach
09. Assassin's Creed 2
10. Final Fantasy 8
Honorable mention: Ninja Gaiden 2, God of War 2, Gears of War 2, Goldeneye 007, Perfect Dark (N64)
Trying to find something to replace SSF4 was a lot harder than I thought, and even then I still couldn't find anything, so I'll leave it at top 9 for now. Anyway, as I've stated I'll give the reasons:
01.
Metal Gear Solid 3 - I don't know what happened, but somehow this game ended off my list completely, and I drifted away from it when it was my #1 when I first got my hands on it. But now with the release of Metal Gear Rising on the way, and a renewed interest to play MGS3, it quickly regained it's dominance on my favorites. Eventually it'll end up being replaced by MGS4 when I actually play it, but for the time being MGS3 is on top. It has everything I like plus some. There's no wrong way to play the game, and it gives you the option of going in guns blazing as well as doing stealth. The characters are very memorable along with its story. Now I'm the type to look for story in my games, but if it's there I'll pay attention to it, especially if it draws me in. I love the graphics and the cutscenes. Probably the best looking game on the PS2.
02.
Devil May Cry 3 - Could've easily been DMC4, but I chose 3 because Vergil's in it, and I like playing as him. I can easily lose myself in this game (along with DMC4) because, when it comes to pulling off certain moves I'm easily entertained by it. I don't play these type of games for the challenge, nor do I play it for the story, but I play it just for the sake of having fun, and when it comes to these type of games DMC delivers more than the other games in the category. Plus having a badass main character helps.
03.
Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 - This along with Super Street Fighter 4 (mainly SSF4) renewed my interest in fighting games, but it wasn't until I went to EVO last year to spectate was when I really wanted to learn the game. And not to mention it's just so hype to watch. I like that it's not a real deep fighter. I like that it's one of those games you can pick up and go nuts with your friends and family, although I do want to be better than them in this. Sure I have questions about some of the characters in this game, but overall I really enjoy this game.
04.
Super Street Fighter 4: Arcade Edition - As I said in another thread, me and SSF4: AE is like being in a relationship. One moment you love it, and then the next moment you hate it. Anyway, deep down I love this game. Despite having hard links to pull off, and a boring training mode, it doesn't change the fact that I have fun with the game. Anytime I complain about this game it's because of my lack of time to actually practice the game, or I'm angry about a match.
05.
Shenmue - The only game I've played that's actually calmed me down when I was extremely frustrated. Till this day I can play this game and still feel refreshed. The story of martial arts mixed with revenge, if pulled off correctly, can really net satisfying results, and I feel Shenmue pulled it off nicely. So sad that I don't have a dreamcast anymore, otherwise I'd be playing this right now. I did hear that Shemue HD collection may be in the works, though, so I'm looking forward to that (and I'm still hopeful for Shenmue 3)
06.
Mass Effect 2 - This spot could've easily been Mass Effect 1 since I feel that Mass Effect 1 did so many things right that it just pulled me in and made for quite the experience. However, Mass Effect 2 improved upon Mass Effect 1 till it trumps it completely. If there's one thing I could do away with, it's the wandering around looking for ammo. I liked that you didn't have to look for ammo in ME1, and would've loved to not have to scurry about looking for ammo, but other than that ME2 is great. So great that I've yet to finish the game because I don't want the game to end, especially hearing that some of the characters aren't on your squad in ME3, and I've grown quite attached to my squad in ME2, especially Miranda, Garrus and Tali.
07.
Okami - The one game that comes close to giving me that serene feeling that Shenmue gives me. Okami does it differently though. I get that serene feeling just by looking at the game itself. The artwork, setting, when things blossoms in full effect, all that just puts me at ease. If there's one flaw I have to point out about Okami it's that it should've ended at an earlier point of the game. It's been a while since I've played it, but I do remember never finishing it because it felt like it was dragging entirely too much, but other than that I enjoyed it. Sure it takes some things from Zelda, but as I already stated in another thread, until Zelda changes from using the same formula from OoT, it's always going to feel like a tiring franchise.
08.
Halo: Reach - I've already gave my reason for this.
09.
Assassin's Creed 2 - More than likely to be replaced by one of the later games in the series, but for now, AC2 did so many things right. Like I said, I don't play games for story, but if it's there, and it's presented well, I'm game. Originally I was turned away from the AC series because of AC1, but AC2 was a big step up, and I immediately took to it. I love the idea of going about objectives the way you want instead of being forced to do it one way or another. Eventually it keeps repeating and that did bog it down a little bit. But then there's Ezio. Ezio is such a charismatic character, and then there's the free-run platforming (if that's what it's called), I love it when it works, but hate it when I die or lose a large amount of health due to Ezio not jumping in the direction I tell him to. For the most part I enjoy this game though. I don't care about history at all (unless it's Japanese), but if people through their own little twist on it like this it can make for one exciting experience.
10.
Final Fantasy 8 - I came into the rpgs late, and this was my first rpg. And at that time I clicked with it because I saw myself relating to Squall quite a bit. Not so much as being emo or whatever, but the way he responded to people felt right at home with me. Also, I'm not real big into rpgs either. I mainly got this one just to look at the summons and limit breaks, but who knew that I'd end up becoming addicted to the game at that time as well, especially after coming off games like DMC3 and MGS3? The junction system and the card game were little perks that kept me entertained as well, but the junction system itself when I got used to it stuck gold. Also, this is the only game that I've sold 3 times, and bought 4.
And there you have it. Like I said, there are some games I've yet to play (but I've seen full playthroughs of) that can easily replace some of these choices. Uncharted 2 being 1 along with Metal Gear Solid 4 and Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood, Revelations and 3. As for honorable mentions, I'm gonna leave that blank for now until I get my 10th game.
My top 10 list:
10. The Legend of Zelda: The Wand of Gamelon
9. Dead Or Alive Xtreme 2
8. Resident Evil: Gaiden
7. Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing
6. A Perfect Massage
5. Sonic the Hedgehog (2006)
4. Tony Hawk: Ride
3. Tunnel Rats
2. Agricultural Simulator 2011: Extended Edition
1. Bubsy 3D
10. SSX Tricky
9. Streets Of Rage Remake
8. Einhander
7. Max Payne
6. Contra Hard Corps
5. Sonic The Hedgehog 2
4. Devil May Cry 3
3. Devil May Cry 4
2. Devil May Cry
1. MGS4
Metal Slug 3 didn't make the list because, like Foggle said, the levels aren't all that great until the Final Mission. Metal Slug 3 would have been perfect if it had some stages as good as the best ones in MS1 and 2 to compliment its perfect last level. Astro Boy, Sweet Home, Time Splitters 2, Max Payne 2 and Phantasy Star IV didn't make the list.
Quote from: gunswordfist on January 30, 2013, 12:12:19 PM
10. SSX Tricky
7. Max Payne
5. Sonic The Hedgehog 2
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Quote4. Devil May Cry 3
3. Devil May Cry 4
2. Devil May Cry
What about DmC? :sly:
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on January 30, 2013, 12:28:55 PM
Quote from: gunswordfist on January 30, 2013, 12:12:19 PM
10. SSX Tricky
7. Max Payne
5. Sonic The Hedgehog 2
:thumbup:
Quote4. Devil May Cry 3
3. Devil May Cry 4
2. Devil May Cry
What about DmC? :sly:
Heh heh haven't played it.
Good job on having Max Payne in your top 5. It couldn't make mine due to all the sequels I love.
I had to add SSX Tricky because of how much fun it is. Namely Tokyo Megaplex. Perhaps the most fun level out of any game.
Quote from: Foggle on January 30, 2013, 11:29:08 AM
8. Resident Evil: Gaiden
Dude this game sucks. This game specifically.
Okay, I think I've finally finalized my top 15 (not a troll list this time, I promise):
15. Max Payne
14. Hitman: Blood Money
13. Half-Life
12. Super Metroid
11. The Legend Of Zelda: The Wind Waker
10. System Shock 2
9. Thief 2: The Metal Age
8. Bayonetta
7. Borderlands 2
6. Resident Evil 4
5. Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando
4. Ninja Gaiden Black
3. Deus Ex
2. F.E.A.R.
1. God Hand
I'll explain any of these if you ask me to, but I don't really feel like spending 30 minutes typing up my opinions you've all heard a million times right now. ;)
Quote from: Foggle on February 16, 2013, 11:08:57 AM
Okay, I think I've finally finalized my top 15 (not a troll list this time, I promise):
15. Max Payne
14. Hitman: Blood Money
13. Half-Life
12. Super Metroid
11. The Legend Of Zelda: The Wind Waker
10. System Shock 2
9. Thief 2: The Metal Age
8. Bayonetta
7. Borderlands 2
6. Resident Evil 4
5. Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando
4. Ninja Gaiden Black
3. Deus Ex
2. F.E.A.R.
1. God Hand
I'll explain any of these if you ask me to, but I don't really feel like spending 30 minutes typing up my opinions you've all heard a million times right now. ;)
Awesome list! But I always thought you liked REmake more than RE4.
Quote from: Foggle on February 16, 2013, 11:08:57 AM
15. Max Payne
Awesome! :thumbup:
Quote14. Hitman: Blood Money
I still need to try this game. I'll trust you that its better than Contracts.
Quote13. Half-Life
I still need to finish this game (i.e., I need to get the game running properly on my computer again), and play its expansion packs. From what I have played of it (which is up to chapter 12), I think its just as good as Half-Life 2, which means that its a damn good game.
Quote12. Super Metroid
I still need to go back to playing this one.
Quote11. The Legend Of Zelda: The Wind Waker
I always knew that you liked this game, but I never realized it was one of your favorites. Either way, we're in mutual agreement. ;)
Quote10. System Shock 2
9. Thief 2: The Metal Age
Both games that I need to play.
Quote8. Bayonetta
A game that I need to finally buy and play properly.
Quote7. Borderlands 2
I need to play the first one, and this one as well. Probably the only RPGs that catch my interest this generation, really.
Quote6. Resident Evil 4
Fantastic game. You and talonmalon333 really got me into it, and its easily one of those few games that I find to be every bit deserving of the massive praise it has garnered over the years.
Quote5. Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando
I LOVE the multiplayer for this game. I have such fond memories of playing all the different types of matches with an old friend of mine, back in the day, and it was insanely addicting and fun. My favorite type of match was the one where you fought your opponent over capturing territories and such (I think it might have been a capture the flag sort of mode, but I can't exactly remember). I definitely need to borrow my brother's PS2 and buy all 3 R&C games for that console so that I can finally experience them for myself.
Quote4. Ninja Gaiden Black
:swoon:
Quote3. Deus Ex
Once again, I need to play this one as well. I'll probably get to it after I beat Half-Life and both of its expansions.
Quote2. F.E.A.R.
Best FPS ever. Thanks for getting me into it. ;)
Quote1. God Hand
As per usual, its another game that I need to buy and borrow my brother's PS2 to play. I WILL definitely get to this one....eventually.
Quote from: talonmalon333 on February 16, 2013, 12:53:14 PM
But I always thought you liked REmake more than RE4.
I've always seen them as about equal, and now I've finally decided that 4 is my favorite of all. ;)
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on February 16, 2013, 01:02:58 PM
I always knew that you liked this game, but I never realized it was one of your favorites. Either way, we're in mutual agreement. ;)
Yeah, I love it a lot! It's one of the only games where I really want to get lost in its world. Even with the Triforce hunt, I consider it nearly flawless in all aspects.
QuoteI need to play the first one, and this one as well. Probably the only RPGs that catch my interest this generation, really.
Maybe you should wait until you get a good PC somewhere down the line. They'll both be super cheap by then, and we can play co-op online. :joy:
Quote:swoon:
I probably never would have gotten into this game without your recommendation, nor would I have discovered my love of the hack 'n slash and beat 'em up genres. Thanks for that. ;)
QuoteBest FPS ever.
Yessssss. :happytime:
Quote from: Foggle on February 16, 2013, 02:41:00 PM
I've always seen them as about equal, and now I've finally decided that 4 is my favorite of all. ;)
I really need to play REmake for myself, one of these days. I DID actually see a friend of mine play through most of the game (he may have even beaten it in one 3-4 hour sitting, but I don't quite remember), and it was a great experience even to just watch the game being played. That said, back then I was a kid and was way too scared to play the game for myself. Now I think that kind of game is awesome and wish I could go back and play it sometime. Also, I have to say that the look of the game has aged extremely well. It still looks both gorgeous and haunting at the same time, thanks to the hand-drawn backgrounds mixed in with the surprisingly smooth character models. To me, its probably the scariest RE game, as I have seen Youtube videos of other RE games being played, and none of them seemed to be able to match up to the atmosphere of this particular game (there's just something about a mansion setting that freaks me out more than any city or village setting).
QuoteYeah, I love it a lot! It's one of the only games where I really want to get lost in its world. Even with the Triforce hunt, I consider it nearly flawless in all aspects.
Also, for what its worth, I actually ENJOYED the Triforce hunt. I LOVE the sailing aspect of the game and to me that segment of the game was really one big excuse to have you fully appreciate the breadth of this game's world and explore it as much as possible. I got a lot of side-quests done during this portion of the game and I also love some of the ways in which you found Triforce pieces, with the most memorable one being where you boarded the Ghost Ship which only appeared during a certain kind of moon. I just love mystical kind of like that in my adventure games, personally.
QuoteMaybe you should wait until you get a good PC somewhere down the line. They'll both be super cheap by then, and we can play co-op online. :joy:
Sounds good, but that....might take a while. If I'm going to play any Borderlands game within the next few years, it'll probably have to be on my XBOX360, but that said, I would be happy to re-buy the games on a PC whenever I get a good one (assuming that I enjoy them enough, which I'm sure won't be a problem ;) ).
QuoteI probably never would have gotten into this game without your recommendation, nor would I have discovered my love of the hack 'n slash and beat 'em up genres. Thanks for that. ;)
It also got me into the hack n' slash genre as well. I remember that I used to be envious that the PS2 had the Devil May Cry series, as I was dying for a game with cool melee-combat which the XBOX was sorely lacking, but unfortunately that was the console that I was stuck with (it wasn't my choice, as my older brother was the one who got the console). But, not so unfortunately, Tomonobu Itagaki decided to release his new action game for the XBOX, and I got treated to what is my personal favorite game in the genre. To me, it has the great level and enemy design that can be compared to the first DMC game, while having a breadth of depth to its combat that can honestly rival the latter DMC games and even Bayonetta, albeit not in the same way; rather than juggle-based combat, its more of an accumulation of both defensive and offensive skills, and successfully linking them together.
QuoteYessssss. :happytime:
Now, if only we could get a game with classic DOOM's level design and F.E.A.R.'s AI (or even Halo's AI, for that matter, though F.E.A.R. is still superior), it would be the recipe for greatness.
In that case, I suggest skipping to Borderlands 2 for now, unless you have someone to play with. I, personally, love both games as single-player titles, but a lot of people find the first one to be pretty boring solo.
Quote from: Foggle on February 16, 2013, 02:41:00 PM
Quote from: talonmalon333 on February 16, 2013, 12:53:14 PM
But I always thought you liked REmake more than RE4.
I've always seen them as about equal, and now I've finally decided that 4 is my favorite of all. ;)
Meant to respond to this sooner.
If RE4 and REmake were fairly closely matched, I would've expected REmake to at least make the tip of this list. :P
I wanted to limit it to one game per franchise.
Quote from: Foggle on February 18, 2013, 01:00:57 PM
I wanted to limit it to one game per franchise.
I was never a fan of that rule. If it's a favorite list, shouldn't it just be your favorite games regardless of how many come from a certain franchise?
Quote from: talonmalon333 on February 18, 2013, 03:41:15 PM
Quote from: Foggle on February 18, 2013, 01:00:57 PM
I wanted to limit it to one game per franchise.
I was never a fan of that rule. If it's a favorite list, shouldn't it just be your favorite games regardless of how many come from a certain franchise?
It's probably because that would make a lot of lists boring to read and not so fun to put together.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on February 18, 2013, 03:46:17 PM
Quote from: talonmalon333 on February 18, 2013, 03:41:15 PM
Quote from: Foggle on February 18, 2013, 01:00:57 PM
I wanted to limit it to one game per franchise.
I was never a fan of that rule. If it's a favorite list, shouldn't it just be your favorite games regardless of how many come from a certain franchise?
It's probably because that would make a lot of lists boring to read and not so fun to put together.
That's the point where you expand it to a top 15, or 20, or 25. :P
Quote from: talonmalon333 on February 18, 2013, 03:49:25 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on February 18, 2013, 03:46:17 PM
Quote from: talonmalon333 on February 18, 2013, 03:41:15 PM
Quote from: Foggle on February 18, 2013, 01:00:57 PM
I wanted to limit it to one game per franchise.
I was never a fan of that rule. If it's a favorite list, shouldn't it just be your favorite games regardless of how many come from a certain franchise?
It's probably because that would make a lot of lists boring to read and not so fun to put together.
That's the point where you expand it to a top 15, or 20, or 25. :P
Unless you're lazy. ;)
So I wanted to finally make a top 10 game list. I have a list of different types of games that I really love and think deserve a place. However, the problem I faced is that, oftentimes, I like certain games in a franchise nearly equally. Because of that, if I were to make a legit top 10 and just listing the games as I like them, I feel like 6-7 of the games would be from two franchises, which makes for a pretty boring looking list. I could get around that by doing the "one game per franchise" rule. But I still think many of those franchise games deserve mentions, and I don't like that rule anyway... Foogle and Spark. :P
Because of that, I think I'll instead try to make a tier list, which gives myself room to name over 10 games, and not have to put them in perfect order. It'll probably take a while though. But I guess until then, at some point I could post the top 10 I put together, despite how repetitive it may be.
I intended to post this right after making that last post. Here's the most repetitive top 10 list. It'd probably look something like this.
1. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
2. Super Mario Galaxy 2
3. Super Mario Galaxy
4. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
5. Chrono Trigger
6. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
7. Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
8. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
9. Fallout 3
10. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
Yep, 7/10 of those games come from two franchises. Kind of makes the whole thing pointless. But I wanted to also include other games, so I'll give some of them mentions here.
The Curse of Monkey Island
Super Metroid
Silent Hill 2
Resident Evil
Dragon Seeds
I couldn't stand Fallout 3 to be quite honest. Borderlands basically did everything I expected from that game and made it fun to actually play.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on March 12, 2013, 04:40:51 PM
I couldn't stand Fallout 3 to be quite honest. Borderlands basically did everything I expected from that game and made it fun to actually play.
:bleh:
Quote from: http://www.siliconera.com/2013/03/20/deus-ex-human-revolution-for-wii-u-has-overhauled-boss-fights-and-more/The Wii U version of the game will contain platform-specific features such as touch screen hacking, interactive map editing, augmented sniping, grenade throwbacks and other enhancements.
The game will also feature "in-depth Miiverse integration" according to Square, and will also contain developer commentaries and in-game guides, along with overhauled boss fights, refined game balance, improved AI and visual improvements as well. Square haven't detailed just what changes have been made to the boss fights yet.
Finally, Deus Ex: Human Revolution - The Director's Cut will also include Tong's Rescue Mission and the Missing Link DLC chapter, which Square say have been "integrated seamlessly into the narrative flow" of the game.
Wow, awesome. Really hope they bring this new stuff to the PC version via patch or DLC.
Quote from: Foggle on March 20, 2013, 02:40:25 PM
Quote from: http://www.siliconera.com/2013/03/20/deus-ex-human-revolution-for-wii-u-has-overhauled-boss-fights-and-more/The Wii U version of the game will contain platform-specific features such as touch screen hacking, interactive map editing, augmented sniping, grenade throwbacks and other enhancements.
The game will also feature "in-depth Miiverse integration" according to Square, and will also contain developer commentaries and in-game guides, along with overhauled boss fights, refined game balance, improved AI and visual improvements as well. Square haven't detailed just what changes have been made to the boss fights yet.
Finally, Deus Ex: Human Revolution - The Director's Cut will also include Tong's Rescue Mission and the Missing Link DLC chapter, which Square say have been "integrated seamlessly into the narrative flow" of the game.
Wow, awesome. Really hope they bring this new stuff to the PC version via patch or DLC.
That's nice news. But is there any reason you posted it in this thread? :P
Because Deus Ex: Human Revolution is one of my favorite games ever? Thought it was kind of obvious... :P
More features listed here. (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=50898663&postcount=531)
Looks like this'll be the version of the game I'll be going with. The in-game strategy guide sounds pretty cool, reminds me of when Illusion of Gaia came with its own official strategy guide back in the day.
Quote from: Rynnec on March 21, 2013, 12:38:12 AM
The in-game strategy guide sounds pretty cool
Using a strategy guide kills half the fun of Deus Ex. Trust me, ignore that feature.
If it has Off-TV play then it's definitely the definitive version. It's weird how amazing that feature is.
Quote from: Foggle on March 20, 2013, 03:30:05 PM
Because Deus Ex: Human Revolution is one of my favorite games ever? Thought it was kind of obvious... :P
You imply that I'm an expert of the art form called "remembering these things". Which I am not.
Quote from: talonmalon333 on March 21, 2013, 03:26:07 PM
Quote from: Foggle on March 20, 2013, 03:30:05 PM
Because Deus Ex: Human Revolution is one of my favorite games ever? Thought it was kind of obvious... :P
You imply that I'm an expert of the art form called "remembering these things". Which I am not.
Why else do you think he would have posted this here then?
Quote from: Avaitor on March 21, 2013, 06:47:47 PM
Quote from: talonmalon333 on March 21, 2013, 03:26:07 PM
Quote from: Foggle on March 20, 2013, 03:30:05 PM
Because Deus Ex: Human Revolution is one of my favorite games ever? Thought it was kind of obvious... :P
You imply that I'm an expert of the art form called "remembering these things". Which I am not.
Why else do you think he would have posted this here then?
;)
Looks like you ranked Deus Ex in your top 5 favorite games ever just a page back. Okay, how DID I not remember?
Let's never speak of this incident again.
:lol:
Hey guys! I bet none of you can guess what MY favorite game of all time is! :>
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on March 22, 2013, 03:19:14 PM
Hey guys! I bet none of you can guess what MY favorite game of all time is! :>
Halo 2...? ???
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on March 22, 2013, 03:19:14 PM
Hey guys! I bet none of you can guess what MY favorite game of all time is! :>
Rocket Knight Adventures.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on March 22, 2013, 03:21:37 PM
Rocket Knight Adventures.
In all seriousness, that game comes pretty damn close to tying with Mega Man X for me, but I find that MMX has slightly more replay value for me, which just nudges RKA out of my top 10. Its still one of the best games that I have ever played (for the record, I've played through it 4 times, already, and it still hasn't gotten old for me). I can say that, while there are still a bunch of Genesis games that I have left to play, RKA is easily my 2nd favorite Genesis game of the ones that I have played so far....and as controversial as it may sound, it has my favorite music out of any of the Genesis titles, overall.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on March 22, 2013, 03:19:14 PM
Hey guys! I bet none of you can guess what MY favorite game of all time is! :>
Ninja Gaiden 3Nahh, even I wouldn't go that far. :SHOCK:
Does anyone know what my favorite game is?
I was going to ask if anyone can guess my favorite video game... until I realized that I don't really know what it is for sure. :P
Quote from: talonmalon333 on March 24, 2013, 12:18:46 AM
I was going to ask if anyone can guess my favorite video game... until I realized that I don't really know what it is for sure. :P
Skyward Sword.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on March 25, 2013, 02:20:43 PM
Quote from: talonmalon333 on March 24, 2013, 12:18:46 AM
I was going to ask if anyone can guess my favorite video game... until I realized that I don't really know what it is for sure. :P
Skyward Sword.
Do you wish to be the focal point of all my hate?
Nothing is confirmed yet, but it seems like most of the improvements from the Wii-U version of Deus Ex HR will *probably* be coming to the other platforms. That makes me very happy. :)
Quote from: talonmalon333 on March 25, 2013, 03:07:14 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on March 25, 2013, 02:20:43 PM
Quote from: talonmalon333 on March 24, 2013, 12:18:46 AM
I was going to ask if anyone can guess my favorite video game... until I realized that I don't really know what it is for sure. :P
Skyward Sword.
Do you wish to be the focal point of all my hate?
I liked Skyward Sword...
Yeah, I'd say Dark Moon is way better than the original.
While the original was a good game it kind of felt like it wasn't quite complete in execution. With the dark-light, the mission structure, the multiple mansions, multiplayer (local and online!), upgrades, and the improved mechanics really push it that much further. I'm still not even finished the campaign mode yet (I just got to the fourth mansion!), but I've already spent more time on this than it took me to beat the original.
If you've got a 3DS and liked the original you really need to play this.
It's happened folks.
Earthbound is officially coming to the Virtual Console this year. Iwata just announced it on the Nintendo Direct.
wut
The new Nintendo Direct had a lot of announcements. I suggest watching it, because I'm struggling trying to post it all here. :sweat:
Wow. Wow.
I still have my original cart (and I shall never part with it, no matter the cost), but this is pretty damn cool nonetheless. It's about time they finally started acknowledging this series stateside again.
Can't help but wonder what this'll do for pricing on said original, though; last check on Amazon has single carts still going for about $300 a pop.
EarthBound for the Wii U VC just made my day already and that was on top of all the other goodies in this edition of Nintendo Direct. It was nice for them to show footage of the Miiverse's reaction to wanting EarthBound on the Wii U VC.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 17, 2013, 10:34:13 AM
It's happened folks.
Earthbound is officially coming to the Virtual Console this year. Iwata just announced it on the Nintendo Direct.
That's nice news. But is there any reason you posted it in this thread? :PAwesome!
Quote from: Grave on January 30, 2013, 02:21:55 AM
Quote from: Grave on January 03, 2013, 12:25:45 AM
01. Street Fighter 4/Super/Arcade Edition/2012
02. Marvel vs Capcom 3/Ultimate
03. Devil May Cry 3
04. Mass Effect 2
05. Shenmue
06. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater/Subsistence
07. Okami
08. Halo: Reach
09. Assassin's Creed 2
10. Final Fantasy 8
Honorable mention: Ninja Gaiden 2, God of War 2, Gears of War 2, Goldeneye 007, Perfect Dark (N64)
Trying to find something to replace SSF4 was a lot harder than I thought, and even then I still couldn't find anything, so I'll leave it at top 9 for now. Anyway, as I've stated I'll give the reasons:
01. Metal Gear Solid 3
02. Devil May Cry 3
03. Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3
04. Super Street Fighter 4: Arcade Edition
05. Shenmue
06. Mass Effect 2
07. Okami
08. Halo: Reach
09. Assassin's Creed 2
10. Final Fantasy 8
Updating this a bit.
01. Metal Gear Solid 3
02. Devil May Cry 3
03. Devil May Cry 4
04. Super Street Fighter 4: Arcade Edtion
05. Shenmue
06. Mass Effect 2
07. Okami
08. Halo Reach
09. Uncharted 2
10. Final Fantasy 8
Honorable mention: Assassin's Creed 2, Street Fighter x Tekken, Ninja Gaiden 2
Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 is off my list. Perhaps it's because I'm still a little salty over my last set against my brother-in-law. Also, the game is broken and Capcom's not going to fix it. I have Borderlands 1 & 2 here, but haven't gotten around to them yet. They can make the list probably along with Uncharted 3 (and of course MGS4)
Yay! (http://www.gamershell.com/news_152959.html)
QuoteSquare Enix unveiled that Deus Ex: Human Revolution Director's Cut, previously announced for Wii U, will also arrive on Xbox 360, PlayStation 3, Windows PC, and Mac later this year. The Director's Cut includes the Tongs's Rescue mission and the entire Missing Link chapter, along with overhauled boss fights, refined game balance and combat, improved AI, over 8 hours of developer commentary, and visual improvements.
:joy: :joy: :joy:
Quote from: Grave
01. Metal Gear Solid 3
02. Devil May Cry 3
03. Devil May Cry 4
04. Super Street Fighter 4: Arcade Edtion
05. Shenmue
06. Mass Effect 2
07. Okami
08. Halo Reach
09. Uncharted 2
10. Final Fantasy 8
Honorable mention: Assassin's Creed 2, Street Fighter x Tekken, Ninja Gaiden 2
Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 is off my list. Perhaps it's because I'm still a little salty over my last set against my brother-in-law. Also, the game is broken and Capcom's not going to fix it. I have Borderlands 1 & 2 here, but haven't gotten around to them yet. They can make the list probably along with Uncharted 3 (and of course MGS4)
01.
Super Street Fighter 4: Arcade Edition 2012 - SSF4, AE, 2012, or whatever you want to dub this game as (it'll be dubbed as 2013 soon) is the best fighting game to date, and it only took me so many times to get bodied to realize that. I once stated that me and this game is like being in a relationship and that still holds true. At times I really hate this game due to not being able to put in the time, and because of that I get bodied. And then other times I love the game because I see that I'm learning it and am feeling like I'm rewarded. Now that I'm back on days I should be able to put in at least 2 hours of practice.
02. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
03.
Shenmue - My love for martial arts really kicked in here. And the way it's done is great. Yu Suzuki used Virtua Fighter's fighting and turned it into a rpg style brawler or something. I'm a sucker for martial arts and samurai, and the way martial arts is told in Shenmue is pleasing to me. And then there's the serene feel I get from playing the game. No other game outside of Okami really put me at ease when I've had a long stressful day or am pissed. Sure it can get tedious asking where sailors hang out, but I have fun with it.
04. Devil May Cry 3
05. Devil May Cry 4
06. Mass Effect 2
07. Final Fantasy 8
08. Halo Reach
09. Assassin's Creed 2
10.
Batman: Arkham City - After all that talk about being disappointed in this game, how the heck did it end up on my top 10? I upped the difficulty. Don't get me wrong I was not upping it for a challenge. I upped it because it was the only way to unlock new game+. Only thing was I got a much more satisfying experience this time around when I completed the game. These custumes don't really mean much to me since it don't change the game play experience in any way. Robin and Nightwing are fun to play as, although I would've liked to have been able to play the story as them as well. Catwoman's playthrough, while annoying for the most part, I still enjoyed it. Is Arkham City overrated? No doubt. Perhaps the most overrated game I've played. It plays everything safe. The free-flow combat is nice, but the actual combat is nothing compared to Devil May Cry 3/4. The stealth mechanic is nice, but it's no Metal Gear. And I don't think it's trying to be either which is kinda why it works. While I don't Arkham City is as good as those titles I will say that AC is probably the most overrated piece of fun I've played in a while. (Thought I would get some satisfaction out of stuff like Infamous or Prototype. I don't even want to play those games)
Honorable mention: Uncharted 2, Okami, Street Fighter 3rd Strike, Street Fighter x Tekken, Ninja Gaiden, Ninja Gaiden 2
I don't know, I've played a good chunk of both Asylum and City on Hard mode, and I guess it still didn't do anything for me. There was more challenge and all, but it just didn't feel that much more interesting to play. I suppose you could say that I am spoiled by the combat in games like DMC, Bayonetta, and Ninja Gaiden, because the combat in the Arkham games just don't do anything for me, which is probably my biggest gripe with them from a game-play standpoint. There was of course the exploration aspect of the game as well, but in that department, I don't think its quite up there with some of the best Zelda, Metroid, and Castlevania games.
I think what I'm trying to say is that the Arkham games do a very good job of executing the gameplay styles of other games and mixing them together, but it also doesn't really excel at any of those styles as the games that inspired its gameplay design do.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on June 22, 2013, 10:41:50 AM
I don't know, I've played a good chunk of both Asylum and City on Hard mode, and I guess it still didn't do anything for me. There was more challenge and all, but it just didn't feel that much more interesting to play. I suppose you could say that I am spoiled by the combat in games like DMC, Bayonetta, and Ninja Gaiden, because the combat in the Arkham games just don't do anything for me, which is probably my biggest gripe with them from a game-play standpoint. There was of course the exploration aspect of the game as well, but in that department, I don't think its quite up there with some of the best Zelda, Metroid, and Castlevania games.
I think what I'm trying to say is that the Arkham games do a very good job of executing the gameplay styles of other games and mixing them together, but it also doesn't really excel at any of those styles as the games that inspired its gameplay design do.
To be fair, I think Zelda is also a very jack of all trades franchise, where it mixes all these different things together rather than focus on one thing (combat, puzzles, exploration, etc.) but isn't exactly the absolute best at any of them.
Quote from: talonmalon333 on June 22, 2013, 12:18:14 PM
To be fair, I think Zelda is also a very jack of all trades franchise, where it mixes all these different things together rather than focus on one thing (combat, puzzles, exploration, etc.) but isn't exactly the absolute best at any of them.
I agree. Zelda still does it a lot better than Batman though, IMO.
Quote from: Foggle on June 22, 2013, 12:57:14 PM
Quote from: talonmalon333 on June 22, 2013, 12:18:14 PM
To be fair, I think Zelda is also a very jack of all trades franchise, where it mixes all these different things together rather than focus on one thing (combat, puzzles, exploration, etc.) but isn't exactly the absolute best at any of them.
I agree. Zelda still does it a lot better than Batman though, IMO.
Yeah, pretty much this. As far as exploration goes, the Zelda series isn't necessarily the best out there (though, I would argue that specific games in the series are pretty damn close to it), but it does still excel at that element of gameplay. The combat is nothing special, and even weaker than in the Arkham games, but I think what makes it work is the interesting design of the enemies. The game is made so that you really aren't just using your sword to kill things throughout the entire game, which itself is an incredibly shallow weapon. Its usually made so that you have to creatively use your different arsenal and assortment of items to take down certain enemies in different ways, which I feel is still very simplistic but also keeps the combat feeling fresh on that end, even if it is shallow. In contrast, the Arkham games actually do have a much more nuanced combat system than any Zelda game, but they lack the variety and depth of games like DMC, so its more middle-ground in that department. That itself I don't have too much of a problem with, I should clarify. I think my problem, though, stems more from the enemies in the game. To be blunt, they feel a bit too repetitive and less varied than other action games, IMO.
This also goes for the stealth segments, in which the same tactics pretty much seem to work on any group of enemies throughout the entire game, with just a few exceptions. On this note, even though I'm not a fan of stealth, I have to admit that I have a lot of respect for the MGS games in actually constantly forcing you to switch up tactics with almost each new room, as the enemy AI can differ depending on the enemy type, and various details can either help you get past enemies easier, or just make it easier for you to get spotted. So on that end, the Arkham games are once again well-done, but nowhere near the best in the genre.
I know it sounds like I'm hating on these games, but I really don't. I just feel inclined to point these things out because of how damn perfect everyone else thinks they are. To be fair, maybe they are games that are more than the sum of their parts and I just don't see it that way, so I can certainly accept that. I just feel that other games can do better at the things they focus on than what the Arkham games do.
On the note of Zelda, I wouldn't call it a jack of all trades kind of game, but rather a jack of a few trades, and while it may not be the absolute best at any single one of them, IMO the best Zelda games are still high up there in the various gameplay styles that they tackle, and for that, I find those to be games that are worth more than the sum of their parts.
Another example, of a game that does different styles well is BioShock (I still need to beat Infinite, though). Truth be told, the gameplay by itself is good, but nowhere near as mechanically satisfying as something like F.E.A.R., Halo, or Half-Life 2, IMO. However it also has better atmosphere than any of those games and a rich story behind it, and that in combination with its very light but appreciated elements of an upgrade system and choice make it something that still excels as an overall product, even if other games tackle particular styles that it goes for a bit better.
My basic point is that I think the Arkham games are solid games, and I enjoyed playing them, but I just can't see them as truly great games, myself, because I just don't find that they do any one particular thing good enough for me to find it worth coming back for after a single play-through (though, I did play both Asylum and City twice, anyways).
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on June 22, 2013, 10:41:50 AM
I think what I'm trying to say is that the Arkham games do a very good job of executing the gameplay styles of other games and mixing them together, but it also doesn't really excel at any of those styles as the games that inspired its gameplay design do.
Yeah, we're basically saying the same thing, only difference me being satisfied and you not. I won't say that I'm easy to please (I'm very picky), but my last playthrough felt very pleasing. But I agree with everything you said about the Arkham games, although if I were to go a step further, I'd probably say if it wasn't for my curiosity I wouldn't have bothered with Arkham City because of the sour taste that Arkham Asylum left. I dare call AA a bad game, but then I'd have to call games worst than that, garbage, so I'll say AA was mediocre at best.
I'd honestly say that for me, they were on about the same level of quality. I think I'd give the edge to AA just slightly, only because I kind of liked how it was a more focused game, overall (the side missions in AC didn't do anything for me, as I've already elaborated on). I probably go too hard on these games, because at the end of the day I still did enjoy them on the whole, but I guess on replays they just didn't hold as much relevance for me as they do for most people.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on June 23, 2013, 12:43:40 PM
I'd honestly say that for me, they were on about the same level of quality. I think I'd give the edge to AA just slightly, only because I kind of liked how it was a more focused game, overall (the side missions in AC didn't do anything for me, as I've already elaborated on). I probably go too hard on these games, because at the end of the day I still did enjoy them on the whole, but I guess on replays they just didn't hold as much relevance for me as they do for most people.
Agreed 150%. IMO Arkham City feels more like an expansion pack for Asylum than a true sequel, since it doesn't really do much different or better. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.) I just feel it's a bit odd to describe one as bad and another as great, since they are practically indistinguishable from each other outside of one having an open world and side missions.
I don't know, Arkham Asylum just felt so bland to me for some odd reason.
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01. Super Street Fighter 4: Arcade Edition 2012
02. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
03. Shenmue
04. Devil May Cry 3
05. Devil May Cry 4
06. Mass Effect 2
07. Final Fantasy 8
08. Halo Reach
09. Assassin's Creed 2
10. Batman: Arkham City
Honorable mention: Uncharted 2, Okami, Street Fighter 3rd Strike, Street Fighter x Tekken, Ninja Gaiden, Ninja Gaiden 2
Haven't even been a month and Batman: AC is already knocked off the list.
01. Super Street Fighter 4
02. Street Fighter 3rd Strike
03. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
04. Shenmue
05. Guilty Gear XX: AC+
06. Devil May Cry 3
07. Devil May Cry 4
08. Mass Effect 2
09. Halo Reach
10. Assassin's Creed 2
Invasion of fighters.
Deadly Premonition is coming to the PC.
Guess I'll be buying it a third time.
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So the remake is good. There's nothing busted about it. I played through hard difficulty and hard pogo and came across no issues. There are two new stages in the game, an intro stage (whose music sounds like Chip n Dale (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jBCtmFZTy4)) and a final stage which is a big improvement over the original's final stage. Basically, if you have access to a system that can play this remake- GET IT. It's still one of the best platformers out there and the additions really enhance the experience.
About the only disappointment is the original isn't unlockable.
Nice one, man! :D Ready to play it again and top the leaderboard (at least, until the hackers arrive)?
I topped my playthrough with a run on Extreme mode, but I can't see the leaderboards because it crashes now when I go there. But it's nice actually being on one!
Shame once the hackers and pros arrive, I'll be tossed off quick. :sweat:
Just imagine if this happened! (http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=210794)
We might never have played it.
Super Mario Galaxy 2 is officially $29.99 now. If you haven't played it yet, now's your chance!
So I wasn't sure if or when I posted a top 10 game list on this site was. So I decided to do that right now, along with explanations for my picks. Most of the games here should be fairly predictable knowing me.
#10
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Silent Hill 2
Starting the list with survival horror. I love the Silent Hill brand... And by that, I mean just the first three games. Things suck now. But really, for those first three games, Silent Hill was living wonderfully. Gameplay-wise they are all rather mediocre, and the graphics are nothing special. However, what makes these games is the immersion. Even if the controls and combat are mediocre, they just excel at pulling you into the world with their atmosphere. And they all present great stories. I pick Silent Hill 2 over 1 and 3. It's not as scary and skin crawling as the first game, and it's not as advanced in its gameplay as 3. But it pulls off that immersion thing just a little bit better, in my opinion. For example, in the first Silent Hill, you are basically in a nightmare that you must escape. But in Silent Hill 2... I honestly can't explain it, but it's like you become one with Silent Hill. And that's largely thanks to the fact that, in my opinion, Silent Hill 2 has the best video game story ever told. It's not typical. It's the combination of your character, the immersion, and the world of Silent Hill itself.
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Resident Evil
Last survival horror on my list. A heavy honorable mention goes to RE4 (I thought long and hard about putting that game on this list instead). My great love for RE1 and RE4 should be a shock to... absolutely no one on this board who's known me long enough. But anyway, Resident Evil was the game that really kicked off the survival horror genre, and I do think its success hasn't been quite replicated. The mansion is probably one of the most iconic settings in video games. And the combat survival gameplay is classic. I really love the mystery that surrounds the story in this game, which inevitably (and of course, understandably) couldn't be matched in this game's successors. Of course, I can't talk about RE1 without mentioning that dialogue. Some of the best writing in any video game, man.
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Fallout 3
Months of my life, and well over a hundred hours, were spent in the Capital Wasteland. No regrets. Fallout 3 is amazing because of its world. You, the Lone Wanderer, must decide where you fit in it. There is still so much I have left to do, and I'm not even sure I could ever bring myself to go through with some of these morally challenging decisions. And that's the mark of a well done game, to make you care that much. Plus, Fallout 3 just has a great story and surprisingly funny dialogue. And the gameplay? Fallout 3 was a massive change to the gameplay style of this franchise. And that change was a beautiful decision.
#7
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Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
The best in the Metal Gear series by a long shot. Snake Eater is the perfection of the stealth gameplay that makes this franchise what it is. With all the different kinds of stealth, and the camouflage, I think no Metal Gear game since has surpassed it. The jungle is a far more interesting stealth setting than the high tech places of MGS1 and 2. Then you have the survival elements which really add to it. I also find this to have the best story in the series. The characters are great, and Kojima's humor is fantastic. And then there's that ending. One of the best video game endings ever. I can't imagine Kojima topping this, for it is his masterpiece.
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Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
I owned this game for a while. But it always landed in my "I'll get to it later" pile of games. I played bits of it over the years, but it never left an impression on me (especially compared to the N64 Paper Mario which is an all time classic). But a few years ago I picked it up a second time, and before long, it was love. I think much of that is thanks to the game's chapter 3, the best part of the game by miles and my favorite subplot in any game. Thousand-Year Door really took the first Paper Mario's gameplay to a whole new level in every single way, as far as I'm concerned. The writing is also even better, allowing for more of that Paper Mario humor. Of course, the art style is still lovely and looks great to this day. Overall, TTYD takes a while to get started, but once it does, it's an unforgettable adventure till the end.
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My favorite RPG. There's something special about Chrono Trigger, because I'm not the only one who fell in love with it. The game deserves its praise, for everything about it works so well. The gameplay style is unique and remains exciting until the end (and isn't just about waiting for your turn during combat, or grinding). The music is some of the best in gaming (it was done by Yasunori Mitsuda, so no surprise there). I also appreciate the story for what it is, and the characters are quite fun. Of course, a big part of the game is its replayability. Every playthrough of it can be completely different. And that makes Chrono Trigger excel as a game that you can continue to play as long as gaming survives.
#4
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The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
The purest action-adventure. Ocarina of Time is often called the best game ever, and it deserves this. You don't get that title by being "revolutionary" or by "being connected to your childhood". OoT is so loved because of how it perfected a formula, a success that no Zelda in ten years has been able to match. The combat is great, the level design is perfect, the story is simple yet effective, the music is classic, the items are fun, I could go on and on. And that's all held together by masterful pacing. It's so devoid of flaws. Some say the writing hasn't aged gracefully. I think it works well enough. It does its job to pull you through an overall unforgettable adventure that will live on through the ages, and will never be forgotten.
#3
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Super Mario Galaxy
Oh boy, we all knew this was coming. I'll try to keep my ranting to a minimum. Super Mario Galaxy is a perfect 3D platformer, in my mind. Course, Super Mario 64 pulled that off well ten years prior, but nothing like this. As far as I'm concerned, Super Mario Galaxy was the best Mario game by far when it came out. The levels are amazing and never get repetitive (there are so many of them with so many variations to them). The controls are so perfect. The soundtrack is perhaps my favorite in all of gaming, and the visuals are beautiful (not just for Wii standards, and these two together give SMG a beautiful atmosphere. There is a simple, serenity to the game's space motif atmosphere; the universe is a beautiful place, after all. Admittedly, the game is a bit too easy to get to the credits. But for those going for 100%, it gets tough.
#2
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Super Mario Galaxy 2
This is basically tied for #1 on my list. Not only is it equal to the first game, but perhaps a bit better. SMG2 luckily isn't just a rehash. Since the development crew knew there were so many possibilities for Super Mario Galaxy, they were able to make an entirely new game out of them. SMG2 never feels stale. It introduces new gameplay and brings far more challenge than its predecessor did, as well as better replayability. The graphics and controls are basically taken right from SMG1, so they haven't been improved much if at all. But they didn't need to be. Admittedly, I do miss the grand, epic, galactic atmosphere of SMG1, but SMG2 has a universe atmosphere of its own. I loved the hub in the first game, and I kind of missed it here. But I must admit that I enjoyed more streamlined gameplay. Overall, SMG1 and SMG2 are my favorite platformers ever made.
#1
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The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
Call it a nostalgia tiebreaker between this and SMG2, (this game goes back to my childhood). MM is my favorite Zelda. It's an example of quality > quantity. The world is small but dense, as there is so much to it. There are only four main dungeons, but most of them rank among the absolute best in the series. It's certainly the most atmospheric Zelda. With the threat of a giant moon crashing down on you, the people of the world are tortured, and are in need of emotional healing. And you yourself must do that. MM has the best Zelda story because of this depth. Beating the main quest isn't the point of it. You must save the people, not just prevent their death by the moon. And that makes the ending all the more special if you completed all the sidequests. Everything about it just comes together so well, just like the rest of the games on this list.
Whoa, how did they make Mario Galaxy's graphics look so smooth in that screenshot? There were jaggies everywhere when I played the game.
Anyway, I was able to guess most of your list, but it was still good. :)
Quote from: Foggle on September 13, 2013, 09:11:31 AM
Whoa, how did they make Mario Galaxy's graphics look so smooth in that screenshot? There were jaggies everywhere when I played the game.
Anyway, I was able to guess most of your list, but it was still good. :)
The order? Or just the games? Also, what games, if any, did you not guess?
And yeah, that's a really nice shot of SMG1. I just picked it off Google images. :P
Just the games. I thought Mario Galaxy 2 would have been number 1, followed by MM (so I was almost right there), with Silent Hill 2 somewhere in the top 5. But I guessed all your favorites except for Paper Mario. :joy:
SMG2 was very nearly #1. I basically used nostalgia as a tie breaker to give MM the spot, as I go way back with that game. I know people might take issue to "letting nostalgia get in the way" like that. But I don't see a problem with it, especially if you like two games 100% evenly and feel the need to use a tiebreaker of some sort.
And good guess on SH2 making my list. I actually thought that would be the game that you guys might not be able to guess (assuming you missed one). :P
It could be a Wii-U shot since it has WAY better video output than the Wii did.
Not a bad list, but I still really didn't like Fallout 3. I think Borderlands pretty much did everything I wanted from it.
Great list. I REALLY want to play some classic RE and Silent Hill games, one of these days.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on September 13, 2013, 02:53:26 PM
It could be a Wii-U shot since it has WAY better video output than the Wii did.
I didn't think about that. It actually up-rezes Wii games like a blu-ray player does to DVDs? :o I use a component cable on my Wii since it doesn't do HDMI, and the games look pretty good, but there's still lots of aliasing.
QuoteNot a bad list, but I still really didn't like Fallout 3. I think Borderlands pretty much did everything I wanted from it.
I can see preferring Borderlands to Fallout 3 (I do as well), but they're pretty different games IMO.
Quote from: talonmalon333 on September 13, 2013, 12:58:13 PM
SMG2 was very nearly #1. I basically used nostalgia as a tie breaker to give MM the spot, as I go way back with that game. I know people might take issue to "letting nostalgia get in the way" like that. But I don't see a problem with it, especially if you like two games 100% evenly and feel the need to use a tiebreaker of some sort.
Nostalgia isn't necessarily a bad thing as long as you have recent experiences to back it up. Wind Waker and R&C1 have humongous nostalgic value for me, but they still hold up perfectly whenever I play them. Meanwhile, revisiting Rareware's N64 platformers proved my nostalgia could lie to me in certain cases.
Since I play my Wii-U on an SDTV (mostly the gamepad, actually) I haven't seen much difference but it looks much clearer picture-wise, and I assume it would look sharper on an HDTV. Next time you get to play a Wii-U on an HDTV set try a Wii game.
As for Fallout 3... I didn't really have any fun with it. The combat was total jank (and busted), the missions were boring, and the story didn't go anywhere. The humor was also not very funny. As a full package they might be different, but Borderlands blew past all my problems with Fallout 3 that shouldn't have been there in the first place. But if talon likes it, then good on him since clearly a lot of people also did.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on September 13, 2013, 05:06:26 PM
Since I play my Wii-U on an SDTV (mostly the gamepad, actually) I haven't seen much difference but it looks much clearer picture-wise, and I assume it would look sharper on an HDTV. Next time you get to play a Wii-U on an HDTV set try a Wii game.
I've played Brawl with John on his Wii-U, but that doesn't really tell me much of anything since I never played that game much on the Wii in the first place, so I didn't notice a difference. Will probably have to wait until I get one for myself to truly know. Between Pikmin 3, W101, Mario, Donkey Kong, and Wind Waker HD, it's already shaping up to have a better than average first year, so it's becoming more tantalizing by the month. Once there's a significant price drop, I think I'll go for it.
QuoteThe combat was total jank (and busted), the missions were boring, and the story didn't go anywhere. The humor was also not very funny.
I agree with you; that's why I played it as a stealth-based lootin' n murderin' survival simulator (New Vegas was far better in the latter regard). In Bethesda games, you pretty much have to make your own fun. They're very good in a sandbox-y way, but not as traditional games.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on September 13, 2013, 03:04:17 PM
Great list. I REALLY want to play some classic RE and Silent Hill games, one of these days.
I always forget you haven't played much RE outside of 4. You seem like you have a decent amount of RE knowledge (but if I remember correctly, the actual reason is that you've actually seen a great deal of footage on those games). :P
But anyway, you said one time you'd like to borrow your brother's PS2 or something, right? That's all you really need for Silent Hill. SH1 is for the PS1 (therefore playable on the PS2) and 2 and 3 are on the PS2. Silent Hill 2 and 3 were re-released in an HD pack on the PS3 and 360, but I
highly recommend against it. Because, being that those HD consoles are so powerful, Konami thought it would be a good idea to completely remove the fog in those games, thinking that they no longer need to "hide the lack of graphical power". What they didn't realize is that the fog was a massive part of those game's atmosphere, and it doesn't feel nowhere near as good without it. It's something you'd have to see, but the game is no longer the same, and it just damages the immersion so much.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on September 13, 2013, 02:53:26 PM
Not a bad list, but I still really didn't like Fallout 3.
I think, for me, I just really loved the world of Fallout 3 so much. And I enjoyed being a part of it. The central story was good, but the reason it works is because you write the story yourself, essentially. And I liked the combat enough, as well as the humor. I actually took screenshots of various points in my playthrough, and it feels like a photo album. :P
Quote from: Foggle on September 13, 2013, 04:44:03 PM
Nostalgia isn't necessarily a bad thing as long as you have recent experiences to back it up. Wind Waker and R&C1 have humongous nostalgic value for me, but they still hold up perfectly whenever I play them. Meanwhile, revisiting Rareware's N64 platformers proved my nostalgia could lie to me in certain cases.
That about sums it up. And I do have recent experience with MM. So I just used that nostalgia to rank it at #1, as a sign of respect even though I honestly like both games the same. You can just pretend my #1 spot was a tie between SMG2 and MM, cause that's really what it was.
Being that I've always said that my top 10 list is constantly changing, here's how it is for me right now, based on my current gaming interests (and in honor of my last list on this thread, I'm making it a top 12):
12. Rocket Knight Adventures
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This one just took me by surprise. I swear that I had never even heard of it before Derek did his HVGN video or this game, but man, once I tried this thing out I became a fan for life. It's sad that Sparkster didn't become a household name the way that other platforming icons such as Mario, Sonic, and Donkey Kong did, but at least he has a game that can match up to any of the best in the business. On that note, this edged out Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles for me by just a little bit, but really I like both games just about as much as each other.
11. Halo: Combat Evolved
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Now, I have stated that I think Reach has the best campaign mode in the entire series, and I still hold true to that. However, there's really only that one level in this game that I don't like, and I'm sure you can all guess what it is. What really gives this game the edge over Reach for me, though, is that it delivers on both the single-player AND multiplayer front. Online or not, the multiplayer in this game is still excellent, and IMO holds up just as well as Halo 2's multiplayer does, albeit for different reasons. I think Reach really dropped the all on the multiplayer component of things, which doesn't bother me that much since I'm not much of a multiplayer guy to begin with, but considering that previous Halo games had mutiplayer so good as to actually get someone like me hooked on that aspect of them, I definitely have to say that Combat Evolved is still my favorite game in the series to this day.
10. Mega Man X
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Admittedly, my experience with the Mega Man series is still very limited. But, I think it's safe for me to say that I probably won't find any games in the franchise that can surpass this one. This game is excellent as both a platformer and an action game, and to me this is honestly the most appealing Mega Man game. Others can be a bit too challenging for their own good to the point of being a bit off-putting, while some just have so-so level design. I really think that Mega Man X has the perfect formula for everything, and the entire game is just executed as close to flawlessly as humanly possible.
9. The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages/Seasons
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Hands down my favorite 2D Zelda game. What I've played of Minish Cap is great, but it doesn't quite stack up to these games, IMO, and while I respect the old-school Zelda games a lot, I just couldn't get into a lot of the early ones that much, including the original two games on the NES as well as A Link to the Past and Link's Awakening. It wasn't really until these gems came out together that I truly understood the appeal of a fully realized 2D Zelda game, and although they are separate titles, I do really count these as one giant adventure, hence why I rank it as one game. If I had to pick between the two, it would be hard since they each have their own set of strengths and weaknesses, however I find that Seasons generally has stronger gameplay and level design, whereas Ages has a much richer story and over-world, so in the end they are pretty close to an equal level of quality. If Ocarina of Time didn't exist, these would most certainly rank as my favorite Zelda game of all time.
8. Resident Evil 4
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This is one of the few games ever in which I went into it was a lot of hype surrounding it, and still came out of it completely blown away. Granted that, it's not the type of game that you'd realize you really love right away. It starts out slow, and takes some time to get used to, but man is this one of the most expertly crafted games I've ever played. I would say that this should be ranked as one of the top 5 most quint-essential games to be used as an educational tool for good game design, because when you get down to it, every element of this game that truly excels only does so because of tremendously professional execution in its design. The atmosphere is also incredibly effective, and the game just works whether you're a Resident Evil fan or not (take it from someone who still has yet to play any other RE games). I'll definitely try the classic games, someday, but as good as some of those may be, I doubt that any of them will hook me quite as much as this game did.
7. Max Payne
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Excellent gameplay. Excellent story. And, I honestly never had any problems with the controls; some dumb-ass on some other board once said that the controls in this game hadn't aged well. The writing and voice-acting are among the best I've ever seen in a video game, with the serious aspects of the story and characters coming off near perfectly, and the intentionally cheesy stuff being legitimately funny. There really isn't too much else to say about this game other than the fact that I just love it. I can't explain my love for it as well as some other games, but sometimes you don't need to be able to explain it. If the game just "works for you," then that in and of itself is very telling of its quality.
6. F.E.A.R.
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Hands down the best FPS ever made. Despite being a popular title in its day, it has slowly become more and more forgotten by gamers, thanks in no small part to the over-saturation of FPS games from last-gen. I also hate when people criticize that this game is not scary and call it a mediocre FPS for that (yet another reason why I can't stand Sage from Blistered Thumbs). Those people are missing the point. This game nails down both atmosphere, and something else that most FPS games seem to just forget is really such an important element of the genre, and that's actually having good gun-play. So many other games in the genre these days are fixated on having you either mow down weak enemies to feel like a bad-ass, or have tons of scripted events to make the gameplay seem more sophisticated. A game like F.E.A.R. has superbly intelligent enemies that really act like how you might at least expect a highly skilled gunman to act: which is to say that they actually fucking shoot back at you. They take cover, try to flank you, and will also do their best to not fall for your tricks, so you can't just take out your opposition with really simple strategies. The slow-mo mechanic is also used really well in this game, and while it was far from anything original as a gameplay mechanic, this is one of the few games aside from Max Payne to actually know how to pull it off right AND not make it feel completely overpowered at the same time. Really, this game just gets everything right for me. The story isn't anything spectacular on the level of BioShock, but its competent enough, and really I've always stated that I'm a guy who's about gameplay over everything, and this game really nails that down.
5. Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening (Special Edition)
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Yes, Kamiya may have started the series (and the hack n' slash genre) with the original DMC, and hey, I think that's a fantastic game that still holds up to this day. It also has the best level design in the series. That said, I came to realize just how much I love excellent combat in an action/adventure game, and DMC3 was the first game to really trump the original in that aspect. And on top of that, I don't care what anyone else says, I like most of the enemies and bosses in this game. People go on about how the original DMC game's enemy design was so spectacular, and it is, but if we're going to play that game, then Ninja Gaiden Black/Sigma has even more interesting enemy design, IMO. As for DMC3, though, the enemies are a bit more simplistic, but by no means are they dull or boring to fight. They can get rather aggressive on the higher difficulty settings, and it take more than just recognizing one or two of their attack patterns to get good at fighting most of them .If anything, the only bad enemies in this game are the ones that are too frustratingly hard, but once again, that only comes into play on the harder difficulty settings. And speaking of level design, with the exception that the last quarter of the game recycles a bunch of locations, I think that the levels look great and really inspired, and the level design itself is actually pretty decent for the most part (not as lazily slapped together as DMC4's environments were, for sure). And, this is also my favorite version of Dante in the series. While it'll raise some red flags against me, Kamiya's version of Dante was a bit flat as a character despite some decent humor (really, its the same for Bayonetta as well), DMC4 Dante gets shadowed by Nero getting way more exposure in DMC4, and the less said about DMC2 Dante, the better. Also, DmC Dante is just a punk, and there's really nothing else to his character. I think that DMC3 Dante had the right combination of being just so insane that he was fun, yet at the same time he had an honorable side to him that came into play with his more serious confrontations. Also, Vergil is hands down the best villain in the DMC series, and screw the people who say that Mundus was the best boss fight in the entire series. I think the final fight with Vergil easily takes the cake in that department. Really, though, I could go on and on about DMC3, so I'll just stop. The bottom line is that this is by far my favorite game in the series, and this is easily one of the best games in my favorite video game genre.
4. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest
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I'm starting to get tired of typing so much, but thankfully I don't need to explain why this game is on my list. Everyone on this board knows its one of the best games ever made, so that saves me the trouble of having to go through each and every reason why. :happytime:
3. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
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To me, this is the pinnacle of everything that appeals to ME (and ME specifically) about the Zelda series. For me, this game has the best dungeon design in the series, the best boss fights in the series (OK, I haven't played any 3D Zelda games past The Wind Waker yet, so cut me some slack here), the best gameplay "gimmick" in the series, the best music in the series (if you disagree, then tough shit, that's my opinion), the 2nd best story in the series (I'll give Majora's Mask its dues, here), and it pretty much has the best compilation of my favorite enemies in the series. It also introduced some of the most essential and useful gear for 3D Zelda games. To me, this game was so insanely popular for a very good reason, and i still find it to be the best game in the series that I have played. Its really the first Zelda game that I truly got into, so without it, I wouldn't even be a fan of the series.
2. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
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Before anything, I must say this: Fuck Jeff Gerstmann! As someone who genuinely loves Super Mario World, I think this is definitely a better platformer than that game, whether it was labeled as a sequel to that game or not. I would go on about how I love everything about this game, but I'd just be repeating what I said about the other games, at this point. Let me put it this way: you know all of those great things I used to describe the excellent execution of all of the other games in this list? Well, basically just apply that to this game, except ten-fold. :thumbup:
1. Ninja Gaiden Black
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Yeah, I'm done explaining this one by this point in time (also, partly because I don't want to type anymore). I really don't think that anyone else is going to bother playing this game, besides those of you who already have, so there's really not point in going into anymore detail here. I will just say that, contrary to my previous entries, this game actually (surprisingly) does NOT have the best execution of everything. This game is also, however, the perfect example of a game that is worth WAY, WAY, WAY more than the sum of its parts. While many other games are great because of how well they execute each and every aspect of their make-up, this game is great for its assembly of so many engaging aspects into one amazing overall package. And, that's really all I'll say about it. If any of you are the least it curious about it, then go give the game a serious shot for yourself. Maybe it might not be your cup of tea, but I know that I certainly have yet to play a game that just downright feels like it was made specifically for me. And, that's essentially why I love this game so much. It's the difference between what makes a game one of the best games of all time from what makes a game my favorite, and this game is certainly my personal favorite game that I have ever played.
I really think you'll dig the Mega Man Zero series. I know you're tired of hearing that by this point, but if you're a fan of Mega Man X (and the first 4 games as well as X8 are great) and hack n' slash games then you'll probably have a ball.
Anyway, I bet anyone here could guess my top 10 (or 12) by now since I constantly talk about my favorites all the time in this thread. My gaming habits are fairly predictable. :blush:
Great list, E-K. I actually would've expected your #2 Zelda to be Wind Waker. However, it's always nice to see a fan of Oracle of Seasons and Ages. They are perhaps the most overlooked games in the series, but I really do think they are equal to the best 2D Zelda has to offer.
Also, Spark, I'd be interested in seeing your list. It can't be much more predictable than mine. :P
I was considering adding two more games to extend my list to a top 12 as well. But I couldn't decide, so here are just a few honorable mentions. Games that could've made it.
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The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
A step down from the N64 games in my opinion, alongside Wind Waker. But it's still a tier 2 Zelda game, which is easily enough to make it deserve a mention. Great gameplay, level design, story, atmosphere, etc.
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Resident Evil 4
Don't need to comment on this one. Refer to E-K's post on why it's so good. Belongs in the "100 Games to Play Before You Die" book if that ever gets made.
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Dragon Seeds
Probably the most obscure game this forum will ever see. Funny enough however, it's a childhood favorite of mine, and I happen to think it holds up very well today. Good rock-paper-scissors gameplay and phenomenal soundtrack.
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Super Metroid
Easily my favorite in the series. Everyone knows why it's a classic. In fact, thinking about it gets me wanting to pick it up again for another go.
I might also consider mentioning another obscure childhood classic, King's Field (known as King's Field II in Japan), which was a spiritual predecessor to Demon's Souls (I guess......?). It's not a personal favorite, as it has aged a lot (the gameplay is quite sluggish and the 3D graphics are primitive). But it has to be the most atmospheric game I've ever played thanks to the visuals and sound/music. If it were to get a perfect remake, retaining this atmosphere, while improving the gameplay, it could potentially be the best game ever to me.
Here's my top 10:
10. Halo Reach
9. Bayonetta
8. Fire Emblem: Awakening
7. Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
6. Metroid Prime
5. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
4. Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
3. Donkey Kong Country 2
2. Pokemon HeartGold/SoulSilver
1. Super Mario Galaxy 2
Honorable Mentions:
Xenoblade Chronicles
Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness
Donkey Kong Country Returns
Ninja Gaiden Black
Rayman Origins
Since you guys are all doing it, here are (some of) my honorable mentions:
Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles
Sonic the Hedgehog 2
Super Mario World
Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne
Ninja Gaiden II (XBOX360)
Ninja Gaiden II: The Dark Sword of Chaos
Soul Calibur
Soul Calibur II
Dead Or Alive 2 Ultimate
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
Jet Set Radio Future
Halo: Reach
Mega Man X 2
Sega Soccer Slam
SSX Tricky
NBA Street Vol. 2
Star Fox 64
Alan Wake
And, I can keep going on, but I'll stop with that.
As you can see, there are a shit-ton of games that I like. ;D
Quote from: VLordGTZ on September 15, 2013, 06:28:58 PM10. Halo Reach
This easily has the best solo campaign mode of any Halo game, IMO. It's short, but it's incredibly replay-able, and there's not a single bad level in the whole game (even Combat Evolved has an atrocious level with The Library). I also think that this game has some of the best music in the series, as well.
QuoteHonorable Mentions:
Ninja Gaiden Black
Glad to see yet another Ninja Gaiden fan on this board! :swoon:
1. Super Mario Bros. 3
2. Sonic The Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles
3. Mega Man X
4. OutRun 2
5. Super Mario Galaxy 2
6. Shinobi III
7. Double Dragon Advance
8. The Legend Of Zelda: A Link To The Past
9. Contra NES
10. Yoshi's Island
11. Donkey Kong Country 2
12. Sonic The Hedgehog CD
13. Mario Kart Double Dash!!
14. Super Monkey Ball
15. Rocket Knight Adventures
16. Gunstar Heroes
17. Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack In Time
18. Klonoa
19. Viewtiful Joe
20. GUN*NAC
I tried to mix it up that time, but it's still not very surprising.
Since it's never coming out in the west, I've been watching this guy's gameplay of Yakuza 5 (http://www.twitch.tv/the100yengamer/b/465844017). Apparently, he wants to practice his English, so he interprets the cutscenes out loud and explains some things about Japanese culture and society. It's really cool! I've actually learned some things from it.
One awesome thing about this game that most people probably wouldn't notice is that you can read full chapters of manga at the shop's magazine rack, including Hajime no Ippo, Attack on Titan, and Kaiji. :swoon:
Quote from: Foggle on October 01, 2013, 12:58:01 AMOne awesome thing about this game that most people probably wouldn't notice is that you can read full chapters of manga at the shop's magazine rack, including Hajime no Ippo, Attack on Titan, and Kaiji. :swoon:
Man, fuck GTAV! Yakuza 5 is where it's at! :joy:
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on October 01, 2013, 05:03:04 PM
Quote from: Foggle on October 01, 2013, 12:58:01 AMOne awesome thing about this game that most people probably wouldn't notice is that you can read full chapters of manga at the shop's magazine rack, including Hajime no Ippo, Attack on Titan, and Kaiji. :swoon:
Man, fuck GTAV! Yakuza 5 is where it's at! :joy:
That's what I keep saying, but Sega won't listen to folks like me! :lol: Really, though, nothing against GTA - I'll definitely pick it up before too long - but I'd much rather have Yakuza 5. Apparently the franchise was killed overseas by poor sales for the crappy zombie spin-off nobody wanted (because that
totally reflects the demand for the main series). 1-4 didn't do gangbusters, but they sold well enough to justify the localizations and make Sega some money; Dead Souls bombed hard enough to cause Sega USA to lay off key members of the Yakuza localization staff. Of The End indeed. :cry:
They should have done Kenzan instead of the zombie one.
They just should have. :imnothappy:
Agreed. Kenzan is one of the finest samurai games ever made. I'm not too sour about it at this point, though; you can watch every single cutscene and story dialogue with English subtitles on YouTube, there is a very comprehensive guide on GameFAQs, and imports of Kenzan's "PS3 The Best" re-release won't run you more than $25. It's a bit annoying having to pause the game and use a computer to watch the story scenes, but it's worth it in the long run.
The aforementioned translator is planning on subbing Yakuza 5 ASAP, while the guy who made the FAQ has already started writing one for it. They are truly amazing human beings and I love them with all my heart. Even if Sega refuses to do it themselves, the western fanbase is awesome, and will find a way to make it available for all English-speakers. Y5 is getting a The Best re-release this December for around $30, so I went ahead and pre-ordered a copy. Thank god the PS3 isn't region-locked.
And before you get on me for helping kill Yakuza in America, I did my part! I bought Dead Souls on release to support the series. ;)
Quote from: Grave on July 05, 2013, 02:22:28 AM
01. Super Street Fighter 4
02. Street Fighter 3rd Strike
03. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
04. Shenmue
05. Guilty Gear XX: AC+
06. Devil May Cry 3
07. Devil May Cry 4
08. Mass Effect 2
09. Halo Reach
10. Assassin's Creed 2
Invasion of fighters.
01. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
02. Super Street Fighter 4: Arcade Edition
03. Shenmue
04. Devil May Cry 3
05. Mass Effect 2
06.
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask07. Ninja Gaiden (Xbox)
08. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
09. Halo Reach
10. Assassin's Creed 2
Honorable mention:
Okami
Street Fighter 3rd Strike
Guilty Gear XX Accent Core +
Chrono Trigger
Final Fantasy 8
Batman Arkham City
Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance
It's no secret that I don't particularly care for Nintendo, but for me to say that I didn't enjoy Ocarina of Time or Majora's Mask, I'd be lying to myself. Even though I know it'll never happen, I've always wanted a 3d Zelda on the playstation just to get that big adventure experience without having to waste money on a console just for 1 game.
Anyway, same games for the most part, but this time I tried to keep it 1 game per series.
Well, that's my favorite list of yours so far, mostly because you finally put Ninja Gaiden on it. :blush:
That is a cool list! :thumbup: Since you like Shenmue so much, you should try the Yakuza series sometime. Fans of the former tend to think of the latter as a spiritual successor.
I've played a bit of Yakuza 3, and for the most part I did enjoy what little bit I played of it (I'd definitely take it over any GTA/SR title any day of the week), but it was pretty hard for the game to keep me interested. I may give Yakuza 4 a shot though.
Quote from: Foggle on October 05, 2013, 12:36:43 PM
That is a cool list! :thumbup: Since you like Shenmue so much, you should try the Yakuza series sometime. Fans of the former tend to think of the latter as a spiritual successor.
You should play Sleeping Dogs
Square Enix is doing right by PC gamers. Existing owners of Deus Ex HR get the Director's Cut upgrade and all DLC for $10, while owners of the base game and Missing Link DLC get the upgrade and other DLCs for only $5. Good on them! http://www.vg247.com/2013/10/13/deus-ex-human-revolution-directors-cut-available-as-cheap-upgrade-to-pc-version/
Have a 3DS?
Better start stocking up on eshop funds! (http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2013/10/sega_confirms_western_release_dates_and_details_of_3d_classics_range)
December 19th looks especially great.
QuoteAltered Beast
Why the fuck is Sega STILL pushing this shit? It's on nearly every console at this point. Are they trying to be ironic?
It's achieved that "nostalgic classic" class that people love and buy despite not actually thinking its good. Part of it was because it was an arcade conversion that was so close to the arcade version, but it was never very good.
Personally, I would rather have had OutRun, Ristar, Alex Kidd in Miracle World, or even Golden Axe. I have no idea why people like Altered Beast so much other than nostalgia for it.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on October 30, 2013, 03:02:25 PM
Personally, I would rather have had OutRun, Ristar, Alex Kidd in Miracle World, or even Golden Axe. I have no idea why people like Altered Beast so much other than nostalgia for it.
Amen. At least the rest of the games are awesome.
Rumors flying of a new Parappa game for PS4/Vita. (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=715181) Really hope this pans out.
I already sold my Vita to one of my friends(he was using it more than I ever was), but this is something that makes me actually want to buy a PS4. Not now, but in a year or two whenever the game actually surfaces.
So, same idea as in the movie thread:
1989: Ninja Gaiden (NES)
1990: Super Mario World
1991: Super Castlevania IV
1992: Sonic the Hedgehog 2
1993: Rocket Knight Adventures/Mega Man X (Tie)
1994: Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles
1995: Yoshi's Island (Runner-Up: Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest)
1996: Super Mario 64
1997: Castlevania: Symphony of the Night/Star Fox 64 (Tie)
1998: The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
1999: Soulcalibur
2000: Power Stone 2/WWF: No Mercy (Tie)
2001: Max Payne/The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages/Seasons (Tie)
2002: Star Wars: Jedi Knight II - Jedi Outcast (Runner-Up: Jet Set Radio Future/Soulcalibur II)
2003: Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic/The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (Tie)
2004: Ninja Gaiden (Runner-Up: Half-Life 2)
2005: Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening/Resident Evil 4/F.E.A.R. (Tie)
2006: Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter
2007: BioShock
2008: Ninja Gaiden II
2009: Street Fighter IV
2010: Halo: Reach
I'm still very undecided on what my favorite games from the last 3 years are, because quite frankly I haven't played enough of them. As I'm sure you all know, I'm WAY behind on last gen's stuff.
Your list gave me a little flash back. Man, 1996 was a slow year for gaming. I was still 16-bitting it up.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on December 16, 2013, 06:48:53 PMYour list gave me a little flash back. Man, 1996 was a slow year for gaming. I was still 16-bitting it up.
Yeah, to be honest, I was struggling to think of any other games from 1996 that I really liked. Conversely, I realized that 2001, 2004, and 2005 were awesome years for games. It was so hard to have to leave out so many other great games from those years.
1987: Mega Man
1988: Mega Man 2
1989: Sweet Home
1990: Mega Man 3
1991: Sonic The Hedgehog
1992: Sonic The Hedgehog 2
1993: Gunstar Heroes or Zelda: Link's Awakening or Doom
1994: Contra: Hard Corps or Doom 2
1995: Phantasy Star IV
1996: Metal Slug
1997: Castlevania Symphony Of The Night
1998: Einhander or Metal Slug 2
1999: Final Fantasy VIII
2000: Metal Slug 3
2001: Devil May Cry
2002: TimeSplitters 2
2003: James bond 007 Everything Or Nothing
2004: Ninja Gaiden
2005: Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening
2006:
2007: Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools Of Destruction
2008: MGS4 (This was a REALLY good year)
2009: Ratchet & Clank Future: Crack In Time
2010: Mass Effect 2
2011: Streets Of Rage Remake v. 5
2012: Super Street Fighter IV
2013:
Quote from: gunswordfist on December 16, 2013, 07:36:44 PM
2007: Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools Of Destruction
2009: Ratchet & Clank Future: Crack In Time
MY MAN. :joy:
I can't do 2012 or 2013.
2011: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
2010: Super Mario Galaxy 2
2009: New Super Mario Bros. Wii............ I guess?
2008: Fallout 3
2007: Super Mario Galaxy
2006: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
2005: Resident Evil 4
2004: Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater/Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door (tie)
2003: The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
2002: Soul Calibur II
2001: Silent Hill 2
2000: The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
1999: Silent Hill
1998: The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
1997: The Curse of Monkey Island
1996: Chrono Trigger
1995: Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest (I really want to give an honorable mention to King's Field here)
1994: Super Metroid/Sonic 3 & Knuckles (tie)
1993: The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening
1992: Sonic the Hedgehog 2
1991: The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Shit! I forgot about The Wind Waker. I'm going to have to edit that into my list, later.
1998: The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
1999: Pokemon Yellow
2000: The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
2001: Halo:CE/Super Smash Bros Melee
2002: Metroid Prime
2003: Viewtiful Joe
2004: Ninja Gaiden
2005: Pok?mon XD: Gale of Darkness
2006: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
2007: Bioshock
2008: Super Smash Bros. Brawl
2009: Pok?mon HeartGold and SoulSilver
2010: Super Mario Galaxy 2
2011: Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
2012: Fire Emblem: Awakening
And Star Fox 64 is yet another one that I forgot about.
While I'm at it, I forgot about No Mercy, too.
1993: The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening
1994: Super Metroid
1995: Donkey Kong Country 2
1996: Duke Nukem 3D
1997: Blood
1998: Thief
1999: System Shock 2
2000: Deus Ex
2001: Max Payne
2002: The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
2003: Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando
2004: Ninja Gaiden
2005: Resident Evil 4
2006: God Hand
2007: No More Heroes
2008: Valkyria Chronicles
2009: Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack In Time
2010: Vanquish
2011: Deus Ex: Human Revolution
2012: Borderlands 2
2013: Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance
1991: Super Mario World
1992: Dunno
1993: Megaman X
1994: Doom II/Sonic 3 and Knuckles
1995: Yoshi's Island/Chrono Trigger
1996: Super Mario RPG
1997: Star Fox 64
1998: the Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
1999: Super Smash Bros.
2000: Bomberman 64: the Second Attack
2001: Super Smash Bros. Melee
2002: Kingdom Hearts/Metroid Prime
2003: The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
2004: Ninja Gaiden
2005: Devil May Cry 3
2006: the Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess
2007: Super Mario Galaxy
2008: Super Smash Bros. Brawl/Persona 4
2009: Bayonetta
2010: Super Mario Galaxy 2
2011: Kirby's Return to Dreamland
2012: Darksiders II/Skullgirls
2013: Metal Gear Rising Revengeance
Quote from: Rynnec on December 17, 2013, 07:36:00 PM2011: Kirby's Return to Dreamland
Oh wow, another fan!
This game totally surprised me as far as Kirby games go. I actually might put it above Superstar on a good day being that it has more variety and four-player. The only weakness is the lack of helpers. They really need to bring those back.
Foggle, you're 20 already?
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on December 17, 2013, 07:52:13 PM
Quote from: Rynnec on December 17, 2013, 07:36:00 PM2011: Kirby's Return to Dreamland
Oh wow, another fan!
This game totally surprised me as far as Kirby games go. I actually might put it above Superstar on a good day being that it has more variety and four-player. The only weakness is the lack of helpers. They really need to bring those back.
You think Return to Dreamland has more variety than Kirby "8+ games in 1" Super Star?
Quote from: gunswordfist on December 17, 2013, 08:13:29 PM
Foggle, you're 20 already?
I was just about to ask that. There was once a time when I thought Foggle was older than me. Then I learned he's
much younger than me. According to his above post, he's only two years younger than me. What's the count now, Foggle? Have you caught up to/surpassed us in age, or have you trailed behind? :P
Yes, I'm 20. ;)
He was definitely right about Duke Nukem 3D. That was the one game I remember really digging into in 1996.
Quote from: talonmalon333 on December 17, 2013, 08:37:00 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on December 17, 2013, 07:52:13 PM
Quote from: Rynnec on December 17, 2013, 07:36:00 PM2011: Kirby's Return to Dreamland
Oh wow, another fan!
This game totally surprised me as far as Kirby games go. I actually might put it above Superstar on a good day being that it has more variety and four-player. The only weakness is the lack of helpers. They really need to bring those back.
You think Return to Dreamland has more variety than Kirby "8+ games in 1" Super Star?
In level design and power variety, definitely. It even has its own mini-games that are better than Samurai Kirby and Quick Draw. Plus there's the challenge rooms, hard mode, and the 4 player mode.
Man, now I wanna play it again...
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on December 17, 2013, 08:41:11 PM
He was definitely right about Duke Nukem 3D. That was the one game I remember really digging into in 1996.
:joy:
Quote from: Foggle on December 17, 2013, 08:38:29 PM
Yes, I'm 20. ;)
Jesus, it was like yesterday when you told me you were 18. How does it feel to not be a stupid teenager anymore?
Smarter and less teenaged!
I have to sig that. :joy:
Who's the oldest member here? Isn't Spark, like, 80 or something?
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on December 17, 2013, 08:41:11 PMIn level design and power variety, definitely. It even has its own mini-games that are better than Samurai Kirby and Quick Draw. Plus there's the challenge rooms, hard mode, and the 4 player mode.
Man, now I wanna play it again...
Not sure I agree. But either way, Super Star, Return to Dreamland, and Kirby's Adventure are easily the best in the series, to me.
You're off by seven years.
Either way, I'm hoping Kirby Triple Deluxe (the 3DS game) stacks up to Return. That game is class.
Spark's 42.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on December 17, 2013, 07:52:13 PM
Quote from: Rynnec on December 17, 2013, 07:36:00 PM2011: Kirby's Return to Dreamland
Oh wow, another fan!
This game totally surprised me as far as Kirby games go. I actually might put it above Superstar on a good day being that it has more variety and four-player. The only weakness is the lack of helpers. They really need to bring those back.
I'm so glad they brought back the movesets for the abilities. I found it hard to go back to playing other Kirby games after getting used to how the powers worked in Super Star Ultra.
QuoteHe was definitely right about Duke Nukem 3D. That was the one game I remember really digging into in 1996.
What about Super Mario RPG?
Heh, I remember back on TV.com when Foggle said he was only 14, which utterly shocked me at the time. Good God, has it already been 6 years since then? :D
Quote from: Rynnec on December 17, 2013, 09:02:02 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on December 17, 2013, 07:52:13 PM
Quote from: Rynnec on December 17, 2013, 07:36:00 PM2011: Kirby's Return to Dreamland
Oh wow, another fan!
This game totally surprised me as far as Kirby games go. I actually might put it above Superstar on a good day being that it has more variety and four-player. The only weakness is the lack of helpers. They really need to bring those back.
I'm so glad they brought back the movesets for the abilities. I found it hard to go back to playing other Kirby games after getting used to how the powers worked in Super Star Ultra.
After Super Star came out on the SNES it was very hard for me to play any Kirby game with powers because none of them were anywhere near as good as Super Star was at them. I could never understand why it took until Return to get the powers back to actually being worth getting. From what I've seen Triple Deluxe has the Super Star-style powers again, so I'm hoping they finally keep those.
QuoteQuoteHe was definitely right about Duke Nukem 3D. That was the one game I remember really digging into in 1996.
What about Super Mario RPG?
AH! That's a hard choice. My friend and I rented that all summer and had a blast. I would have to split those in a tie.
I still can't believe that I've spent 1/3 of my life with many of you guys. :o
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on December 17, 2013, 09:07:41 PM
Heh, I remember back on TV.com when Foggle said he was only 14, which utterly shocked me at the time. Good God, has it already been 6 years since then? :D
Quote from: talonmalon333 on December 17, 2013, 09:09:19 PM
I still can't believe that I've spent 1/3 of my life with many of you guys. :o
It's been a fun ride! :joy:
Capcom is re-porting RE4 to PC, this time with full mouse, widescreen, and controller support, as well as fixed lighting effects, in-engine cutscenes, etc. Also, unlike the HD console releases, this one will actually have updated graphics and run at a consistent 60 FPS. Good on them for FINALLY doing the game justice on PC!
Good to see one of the best games finally getting a PC release. Because RE4 never got one before. Not ever.
While they're at it, they should probably port the DMC HD Collection to the PC and release it via Steam. The only actual GOOD DMC PC ports are DMC4 and DmC, which are actually even technically superior to their respective console versions, from what I've heard. The DMC3 port is pretty bad going by general fan reaction to it, and of course DMC1 and 2 never got a PC release; although, I don't think anyone would ever complain about the latter of those 2 games being left in the dust to be forgotten about.
Also, they should make good individual ports of all of the classic RE games. Even my hunk of junk could still probably run the PS1 games without any significant problems.
And speaking of games that I'd like to see ported to the PC, out of all of the multiple consoles and handheld devices that NG games have been ported to, I'm surprised that Tecmo/Team Ninja has never even thought to port any of these games over to the PC. Ninja Gaiden Black/Sigma on the PC would have definitely sold far more than the stripped-down 30 FPS versions of the Sigma games on the PS Vita.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on January 21, 2014, 04:56:55 PM
While they're at it, they should probably port the DMC HD Collection to the PC and release it via Steam.
I definitely support this. I'd be on that right now if they had done it already.
I would love to see every non-Nintendo game ported to the PC. And then someday, when consoles are dead and PCs become the entire focus, port all Nintendo games there. At least all the Nintendo games worth porting.
I was thinking about what my 10 favorite games are now last night for some reason. My list has changed a bit.
1. Nier - Yes, this is my favorite game now. I played it all three times months ago and I still can't stop thinking about it. It's just perfect, in every way.
2. Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack In Time - Upon replaying it, I've decided that I actually like this one more than the original trilogy.
3. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker - A flawless high seas adventure with my most loved game world ever.
4. God Hand - The best melee combat system of all time accompanied by awesome music and a hilarious sense of humor.
5. Deus Ex - I'm still finding new ways to play this game on each run, and that's only taking stealth into account.
6. Ninja Gaiden (Xbox/PS3) - To this day, it's the high bar for sword combat and level design in 3D action games.
7. Resident Evil 4 - The Army of Darkness of video games. I could sing its praises all day long.
8. F.E.A.R. - Still the greatest FPS ever made in terms of mechanics and AI.
9. Dark Souls 2 - This is quickly climbing my list of all time favorites. The exploration and atmosphere are second to none.
10. Banjo-Tooie - Really. Even with its obvious faults, I still adore this game enough to put it here.
Great list!
Ninja Gaiden, F.E.A.R., and RE4 are in my top 10 as well, and occasionally WW cycles in and out of there, but it's also one of my favorites. i really need to get around to playing God Hand one of these days. As for Banjo, I've only started playing Kazooie, but I'll get to Tooie eventually. And i should probably look into Nier as well, as that's a game which I admittedly know nothing about.
Quote from: Foggle on March 17, 2014, 10:26:48 AM
1. Nier - Yes, this is my favorite game now. I played it all three times months ago and I still can't stop thinking about it. It's just perfect, in every way.
One of the many I want to play.
Quote from: Foggle on March 17, 2014, 10:26:48 AM
3. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker - A flawless high seas adventure with my most loved game world ever.
Regardless of what the ocean haters say, I agree this game's world is indeed great. Easily the best exploration of any Zelda game.
Quote from: Foggle on March 17, 2014, 10:26:48 AM
7. Resident Evil 4 - The Army of Darkness of video games. I could sing its praises all day long.
An obviously deserving pick.
Quote from: Foggle on March 17, 2014, 10:26:48 AM
10. Banjo-Tooie - Really. Even with its obvious faults, I still adore this game enough to put it here.
Banjo better than Galaxy? :unimpressed:
Nah just kidding. When I first saw your post, I just immediately read it as if you were listing in backward order, so I saw this as your #1 pick and was blown away. :P
Quote from: Foggle on March 17, 2014, 10:26:48 AM
2. Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack In Time - Upon replaying it, I've decided that I actually like this one more than the original trilogy.
This is going to be the most underrated game of the past generation, I think. (Well, on the HD systems)
Anybody out there with a PS3 who isn't playing this game is really missing out. I played through this like three times since I got it and it totally holds up with every replay. It's the best HD game of last generation and one of the best period.
That Insomniac isn't out there cranking out more AAA platformers should be criminal.
By the way, Foggle, being that you like Wind Waker so much, do you think you'll ever end up getting the HD remake?
I got everything in DKC:TF beaten on Hard Mode up to the last world.
This will be one of my favorites, surely.
If I get a Wii U, that'll be one of the first games I get.
Hmmm, I don't know too many platformers that have a hard mode.
Quote from: gunswordfist on March 19, 2014, 06:46:20 PM
Hmmm, I don't know too many platformers that have a hard mode.
None definitely have difficulty levels like Little Samson. It's like a whole different game between the difficulties with alternate paths and whatnot.
I forgot that game had difficulties. I suck at it though. Barely got past the first boss. lol
Quote from: talonmalon333 on March 19, 2014, 06:07:21 PM
By the way, Foggle, being that you like Wind Waker so much, do you think you'll ever end up getting the HD remake?
I actually have it already. My super amazing family pitched in and got me a U and that for Christmas. :swoon: Replaying it for the millionth time made me realize just how much I love it.
What do you think of the remake?
Quote from: talonmalon333 on March 19, 2014, 08:45:01 PM
What do you think of the remake?
I prefer playing with the GameCube controller, and the bloom can be way too bright at times, but for the most part it's a nice improvement over the original. The updated graphics, higher quality audio, and easier Triforce hunt make the game *that* much more enjoyable.
What other platformers have difficulty levels?
I haven't played it, but from what I've seen, I still like the look of the original more, particularly the ocean. I feel like the remake has to be nice for fixing the slow sailing and overly long Triforce hunt. But since I don't have a problem with either of those, I might stick with the original.
Rocket Knight Adventures has a Hard mode. I never tried it, but I hear you die in only one hit on that difficulty.
Super Mario Bros. has one, but not very many platformers do. Other than making the enemies tougher to defeat or giving the player less health and lives, there isn't much you can do to make a platformer harder than its default difficulty.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on March 19, 2014, 08:51:08 PM
Rocket Knight Adventures has a Hard mode. I never tried it, but I hear you die in only one hit on that difficulty.
Since the game was made by the Contra guy, it was almost certain he made the game so it could be doable in this way.
Quote from: talonmalon333 on March 19, 2014, 08:51:01 PM
I haven't played it, but from what I've seen, I still like the look of the original more, particularly the ocean. I feel like the remake has to be nice for fixing the slow sailing and overly long Triforce hunt. But since I don't have a problem with either of those, I might stick with the original.
It looks a lot better when you're actually playing it IMO. Horrid bloom aside (I have no idea who thought that was a good idea), it looks just like the original - but better - to me.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on March 19, 2014, 08:51:08 PM
Rocket Knight Adventures has a Hard mode. I never tried it, but I hear you die in only one hit on that difficulty.
So fake difficulty, like Shinobi III?
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on March 19, 2014, 08:54:06 PM
Super Mario Bros. has one, but not very many platformers do. Other than making the enemies tougher to defeat or giving the player less health and lives, there isn't much you can do to make a platformer harder than its default difficulty.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on March 19, 2014, 08:51:08 PM
Rocket Knight Adventures has a Hard mode. I never tried it, but I hear you die in only one hit on that difficulty.
Since the game was made by the Contra guy, it was almost certain he made the game so it could be doable in this way.
Didn't he make Contra Hard Corps? :thinkin:
I wish they would do like Mega Man 3, I believe, did with harder versions of stages after you beat the Robot Masters. Basically, level design makes the levels harder and not just taking your life away.
Quote from: gunswordfist on March 19, 2014, 09:00:45 PM
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on March 19, 2014, 08:51:08 PM
Rocket Knight Adventures has a Hard mode. I never tried it, but I hear you die in only one hit on that difficulty.
So fake difficulty, like Shinobi III?Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on March 19, 2014, 08:54:06 PM
Super Mario Bros. has one, but not very many platformers do. Other than making the enemies tougher to defeat or giving the player less health and lives, there isn't much you can do to make a platformer harder than its default difficulty.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on March 19, 2014, 08:51:08 PM
Rocket Knight Adventures has a Hard mode. I never tried it, but I hear you die in only one hit on that difficulty.
Since the game was made by the Contra guy, it was almost certain he made the game so it could be doable in this way.
Didn't he make Contra Hard Corps? :thinkin:
I wish they would do like Mega Man 3, I believe, did with harder versions of stages after you beat the Robot Masters. Basically, level design makes the levels harder and not just taking your life away.
The same director of Contra III, Hard Corps, and Shattered Soldier made Rocket Knight Adventures. There are multiple difficulties, though the highest one basically makes it like Contra with a sword instead of a gun.
Yeah, Mega Man 3 really had a cool idea with the Doc Robot stages which is a shame they never brought them further. On the other end, Mega Man 9 and 10 have harder modes as DLC but I never got them because I'm sane and because that doesn't seem worth the money to me.
I haven't played it, like I said, but I don't know if I'd necessarily call it fake, either. When I did play the game, there wasn't a single time that I felt I had suffered a cheap death, and to my knowledge, any attack or obstacle in the game is completely avoidable with skill. That said, I'd have to play through it for myself to see for sure if its really as well-balanced on that difficulty as it should be, based on my play-through of the game on Normal difficulty.
Ok, now I get the Contra comparison.
And yes, more Doc Robot-esque levels would have been great and Mega Man on hard mode does sound like insanity.
Quote from: Foggle on March 19, 2014, 08:56:19 PM
Quote from: talonmalon333 on March 19, 2014, 08:51:01 PM
I haven't played it, but from what I've seen, I still like the look of the original more, particularly the ocean. I feel like the remake has to be nice for fixing the slow sailing and overly long Triforce hunt. But since I don't have a problem with either of those, I might stick with the original.
It looks a lot better when you're actually playing it IMO. Horrid bloom aside (I have no idea who thought that was a good idea), it looks just like the original - but better - to me.
Have you played the Master Quest mode?
Quote from: talonmalon333 on March 19, 2014, 11:02:31 PM
Have you played the Master Quest mode?
Hero mode? Nope. I might try that someday, though.
Favorite series
01. Street Fighter
02. Metal Gear Solid
03. Devil May Cry
04. Shenmue
05. Mass Effect
06. Uncharted
07. Halo
08. Assassin?s Creed 2 Ezio Saga
This will probably be my end all be all list here. As you can see I can't even come up with 10 videogame series. Modern or classic, I'm very picky about what I play. If it didn't interest (I mainly watch gameplay footage) me back then you can bet that I'm not going to bother trying it now. Only way I'll try some of these "classics" (and not necessarily just classics, but games in general) is if I'm actually curious about the game to begin with.
That being said, 1-4 don't really need much of an explanation since they're fairly the same (in terms of my explanation on why I like them), however, as far as Street Fighter goes, this will probably be the only time you see me speak about being nostalgic. I grew up on Street Fighter. Yes I was born in the age of the NES, and I also had a SNES and Genesis, but the moment I got my hands on Street Fighter 2 no other game really existed to me. I was very competitive (not tournament competitive, but I took it very seriously. Lose I would get salty. Win I'm popping off). That went on for quite some time, I think up to the Alpha series, and at that time I had to take a step back because I was cursing people out (I think I was roughly 10-11) at that point. SF3 came out and at that point I was turned off mainly because of the characters, and, well, the rest is history. Tried 3D fighters for a bit, but nothing clicked outside of Tekken Tag Tournament and Dead or Alive 2, but eventually I got bored of fighters altogether and stopped playing them. Fast forward to SF4, thanks to my brother-in-law I'm back into fighting games (2D fighters only). Not nearly as competitive, but I'm aiming to get good nevertheless.
Mass Effect. I first got my hands on Mass Effect in 2011, and at that time I was burnt out on JRPGs, and decided to make the shift to WRGs just to see what they were like and I remember liking Jade Empire. Even though the ME series is practically a TPS, it was something different from your average JRPG and to me it was a breath of fresh air. ME2 was 10x better than the first, and I was hooked from there. Are the ME games flawed? Yes. Do I care? Not really. They keep me entertained so whatever.
Uncharted. A trend I've been seeing as of late is hate on the Uncharted series just because. Okay cool. Have you played the game? Did you watch any gameplay footage (I'll excuse anyone for saying yes but still don't find it appealing because I do the same thing)? If the answer is no to both then why are you talking? Anyway, I'm going off on a tangent. I find the series to be great. It's a typical TPS but it keeps me entertained. Drake's sarcasm also keeps me coming back as well. Summer blockbusters.
Nothing to really say about Halo that I haven't said already. Assassin?s Creed on the other hand. The Ezio saga only. People bash this game a lot too, and to be honest some is justified, some is not. Personally I only like the Ezio saga. Ezio is a very charismatic and I like that. Granted it's fiction I like Ubisoft's take on the locations. Story wise, I try to pay attention but then I get lost in trying to do so, so I just play. Another series I'd use for taking out my anger. Walk around assassinating people never felt better.
Note to self, don't use Google Drive anymore.
Series, huh? I suppose I'll take a crack at it.
1. Mario franchise
2. Zelda
3. Donkey Kong Country
4. KOTOR
5. Devil May Cry
6. Half-Life
7. Ninja Gaiden
8. Jedi Knight
9. Halo (Bungie)
10. Sonic
In case you're wondering, input NG lower on my list as an overall series because of the most recent games dragging it down so much. I hope you're happy, Team Ninja Dog and Hayashit.
Favorite franchises huh...
1. Pokemon
2. Mario
3. Donkey Kong Country
4. Kirby
5. The Legend of Zelda
6. Super Smash Bros.
...that's it (told you guys I'm not much of a gamer...). :sweat:
1. Mario
2. Zelda
3. Contra
4. OutRun
5. Shinobi
6. Kirby
7. Mega Man
8. Sonic (that bad period really dragged it down)
9. Ratchet & Clank (mainline)
10. Donkey Kong Country (lowest number of games here, so the hardest to rank)
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on March 30, 2014, 05:57:45 PM
Series, huh? I suppose I'll take a crack at it.
1. Mario franchise
2. Zelda
3. Donkey Kong Country
4. KOTOR
5. Devil May Cry
6. Half-Life
7. Ninja Gaiden
8. Jedi Knight
9. Halo (Bungie)
10. Sonic
In case you're wondering, input NG lower on my list as an overall series because of the most recent games dragging it down so much. I hope you're happy, Team Ninja Dog and Hayashit.
:D I might come up with a list later.
I would like to say I came up with that on my own, but I sadly stole it from the Nina Gaiden community.
So he's well hated there?
By most of the NG fans, yes. DOA fans don't care because most of them liked DOA5, even though Hayashit had nothing to do with it (he was directing NG3 with half of the team, while the other half was assigned to DOA5).
Favorite series, in no order:
MGS
DMC
Mega Man
Sonic
Mario
Zelda
Max Payne
Splinter Cell
Doom
Metal Slug
Since I've finally played all the classic-style Mega Man games, I can now rate them accordingly. Roman numerals represent the Game Boy games.
Top Tier (Excellent games that should not be missed)
Mega Man 3
Mega Man 2
Mega Man 9
Mega Man V
Mega Man IV
High Tier (A hair short of the others, but still well worth playing)
Mega Man 7
Mega Man
Mid Tier (Really solid platformers with a lot of highs and few lows)
Mega Man III
Mega Man 5
Mid-Low Tier (Mixed experience, but enough good stuff worth playing through)
Mega Man & Bass
Mega Man 10
Mega Man 8
Low Tier (Uninspired with a few bright spots)
Mega Man 4
Mega Man: Dr. Wily's Revenge
Mega Man 6
Bottom Tier (Not good no matter how you slice it)
Mega Man II
Your mileage may vary, but all in all, it's a fairly strong bunch of games. If you're a fan, you'll probably get something out of every game- though everything Mid and above should be played if you're a platformer fan.
How do you feel about the Genesis Mega Man games?
Wily Wars? I never got around to them. I heard they suffer from bad slowdown, though.
I think that's the name. I like the way they look. I'll have to actually play them for myself though.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on March 30, 2014, 06:14:32 PM
1. Mario
2. Zelda
3. Contra
4. OutRun
5. Shinobi
6. Kirby
7. Mega Man
8. Sonic (that bad period really dragged it down)
9. Ratchet & Clank (mainline)
10. Donkey Kong Country (lowest number of games here, so the hardest to rank)
11. Klonoa
12. Double Dragon
13. Mario Kart
14. Castlevania
15. Super Smash Bros. (only three games)
Strange how much that's held up.
Your list lacks Ninja Gaiden so it's wrong. :humhumhum:
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on May 30, 2014, 12:26:26 AM
Your list lacks Ninja Gaiden so it's wrong. :humhumhum:
If I pretend it only has 5 games in the series, I suppose.
I was considering it, but then I remembered those 5 series. I'd probably put it between 16 and 20.
Well, let's see:
1. Ninja Gaiden Black
2. Ninja Gaiden II: The Dark Sword of Chaos (NES)
3. Ninja Gaiden II (XBOX360)
4. Ninja Gaiden: Dragon Sword
5. Ninja Gaiden (NES)
6. Ninja Gaiden III: The Ancient Ship of Doom (NES; original JP version)
That would be 6; it has 6 good games, my friend.
Ah, I forgot Dragon Sword. Good call.
A few more games, and it'll climb higher up my list for sure.
Quote from: gunswordfist on April 18, 2014, 10:20:57 PM
Favorite series, in no order:
MGS
DMC
Mega Man
Sonic
Mario
Zelda
Max Payne
Splinter Cell
Doom
Metal Slug
Resident Evil
Streets Of Rage
Street Fighter
my 10 fav games ever are
10: sleeping dogs
9: ratchet and clank a crack in time
8: darksiders
7: chrono trigger
6: katawa shoujo
5:sonic adventure 2
4:megaman x 2
3:saints row IV
2:persona 4 golden
1:zelda a link to the past
that was on no order btw (my fav out of those is either a crack in tim or katawa shoujo)
I need to play my copy of Sleeping Dogs.
I like your list; glad to see another Ratchet fan on here! Welcome to the forum. :el_hail:
Ah, A Crack In Time. Welcome, toony!
Quote from: gunswordfist on June 05, 2014, 10:48:16 PM
Ah, A Crack In Time. Welcome, toony!
mhm ^^ i loved it i need to play it again sometime
Quote from: gunswordfist on June 05, 2014, 09:18:53 PM
I need to play my copy of Sleeping Dogs.
think GTA but set in tokyo ^^ and had a much better combat system
Quote from: Foggle on June 05, 2014, 09:29:51 PM
I like your list; glad to see another Ratchet fan on here! Welcome to the forum. :el_hail:
thank you very much
Hong Kong, not Tokyo (otherwise Foggle would already be playing it :D) but yeah, I played some of it nd it's pretty good.
Quote from: gunswordfist on June 06, 2014, 10:59:21 AM
Hong Kong, not Tokyo (otherwise Foggle would already be playing it :D) but yeah, I played some of it nd it's pretty good.
sorry my mistake XD
i havent done many missions ive just messed around on the rodes on a motorcycle listining to j pop XDDD
So I feel like listing a few of my favorite game antagonists. For the sake of spoilers (as the mere acknowledgement of some of these characters can qualify as a spoiler, if their role as a villain is meant to be a plot twist), I will state the name of the game they are from, and then put their names in spoiler tags. That way, you can just ignore the spoiler tags of any games you haven't played.
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
Spoiler
Ganon (by far the best version of this character)
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
Spoiler
The Boss
Chrono Trigger
Spoiler
Lavos (this is more about the idea of the villain in what it represents, as in, the fear and capabilities of it rather than any real characterization)
Fallout 3
Spoiler
President John Henry Eden
Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
Spoiler
Grubba (he's not the game's main villain, but he's much better than the main villains and quite possibly the best Mario RPG character ever)
And quite possibly the best one I can think of...
Silent Hill 2
Spoiler
James Sunderland
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 30, 2014, 12:25:07 AM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on March 30, 2014, 06:14:32 PM
1. Mario
2. Zelda
3. Contra
4. OutRun
5. Shinobi
6. Kirby
7. Mega Man
8. Sonic (that bad period really dragged it down)
9. Ratchet & Clank (mainline)
10. Donkey Kong Country (lowest number of games here, so the hardest to rank)
11. Klonoa
12. Double Dragon
13. Mario Kart
14. Castlevania
15. Super Smash Bros. (only three games)
16. Ninja Gaiden
17. Streets of Rage
18. Rival Schools
19. Fatal Fury
20. Phoenix Wright
21. Suikoden
22. Jet Set Radio
23. Valkyria Chronicles
24. Punch-Out!!
25. Power Stone
I think that's about as many as I can cobble together. Now we're getting to series with two installments.
Top 5 TPS Games:
1. Max Payne
2. Resident Evil 4
3. Alan Wake
4. Vanquish
5. Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne
Honorable Mentions: Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter, Gears of War series
Top 10 FPS Games:
1. F.E.A.R.
2. Halo: Combat Evolved
3. DOOM
4. Halo: Reach
5. Half-Life 2
6. TimeSplitters 2
7. Medal of Honor: Frontline
8. BioShock
9. F.E.A.R. 2
10. Half-Life
Top 10 3D Action/Adventure Games (General)
1. Ninja Gaiden Black
2. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
3. Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening (Special Edition)
4. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
5. Bayonetta
6. Star Wars: Jedi Knight II - Jedi Outcast
7. Devil May Cry
8. Jet Set Radio Future
9. Ninja Gaiden II
10. Star Wars: Jedi Knight - Jedi Academy
Top 5 2D Action/Adventure Games (General):
1. The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages/Seasons
2. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
3. Streets of Rage trilogy
4. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV: Turtles in Time
5. Shadow Complex
Top 5 RPGs:
1. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
2. Pokemon Gold/Silver/Remakes
3. Pokemon Red/Blue/Green/Remakes
4. Chrono Trigger
5. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II
Top 10 Platformers:
1. Yoshi's Island
2. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest
3. Mega Man X
4. Super Mario World
5. Rocket Knight Adventures
6. Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles
7. Banjo Kazooie
8. Ninja Gaiden II: The Dark Sword of Chaos
9. Sonic the Hegehog 2
10. Super Castlevania IV
I'll add in more genres later.
Top 5 Fighting Games:
1. Soul Calibur II
2. Power Stone 2
3. Marvel vs. Capcom 2
4. Super Street Fighter IV
5. Super Smash Bros.
Honorable Mentions: Garou: Mark of the Wolves, Soul Calibur, Dead Or Alive 2 Ultimate
Top 10 Sports Games:
1. Sega Soccer Slam
2. WWF: No Mercy
3. NBA Street Vol. 2
4. Aggressive Inline
5. SSX Tricky
6. Mario Tennis (N64)
7. Tony Hawk's Pro-Skater 3
8. Mario Kart (SNES)
9. SSX 3
10. Splashdown
Honorable Mention: Road Rash
Interview with Shinji Mikami from a few months back: http://www.polygon.com/features/2014/2/20/5425802/shinji-mikami-the-evil-within
This is a great piece for those interested in the gaming industry. Mikami comes across as a really good guy who legitimately cares about others and game development. It gives a bit of an idea about what forming a new studio is like, discusses how Capcom changed over the years, and confirms the rumor that EA canned Suda51's original idea for Shadows of the Damned.
You know what I thought about a few weeks ago? I haven't yet Devil May Cry in over 10 years. I am planning on making a new favorite games list that excludes games I haven't or barely played recently (< 3 years)
Quote from: Foggle on June 15, 2014, 08:29:06 PM
Interview with Shinji Mikami from a few months back: http://www.polygon.com/features/2014/2/20/5425802/shinji-mikami-the-evil-within
This is a great piece for those interested in the gaming industry. Mikami comes across as a really good guy who legitimately cares about others and game development. It gives a bit of an idea about what forming a new studio is like, discusses how Capcom changed over the years, and confirms the rumor that EA canned Suda51's original idea for Shadows of the Damned.
Finally got around to reading this. Great interview. I've never read a Mikami interview so I finally got some insight on the guy. I liked what I read about him and I hope The Evil Within turns out great.
Quote from: gunswordfist on May 30, 2014, 02:04:21 AM
Quote from: gunswordfist on April 18, 2014, 10:20:57 PM
Favorite series, in no order:
MGS
DMC
Mega Man
Sonic
Mario
Zelda
Max Payne
Splinter Cell
Doom
Metal Slug
Resident Evil
Streets Of Rage
Street Fighter
Since the last favorite game list I made just made me look stupid, I'll use this as reference instead.
I decided to take a lot of games off of my list because I haven't played a lot of my favorites in years. Some over 10 years. So this is the list I put together but it definitely may be subject to change:
10. Spelunky
9. Cave Story
8. Metal Slug 3
7. Gunstar Heroes
6. Streets Of Rage 2
5. Streets Of Rage Remake
4. Phantasy Star IV
3. Doom
2. Doom II
1.
Spoiler
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2Fb%2Fbe%2FMegaman2_box.jpg&hash=1cd8736d60943072d4263a744dfe8bcaf0351c8e)
Honorable Mentions:
Metal Slug XX, Street Fighter 3, Street Fighter 4, Rayman Origins, Splinter Cell Conviction, Far Cry Blood Dragon, Mass Effect 2, Halo 3, Hitman Absolution
Most of the games I couldn't add due to being too long since I played them or I haven't beat them: BulletStorm, Sweet Home, Final Fantasy VIII and IX, Max Payne 1, 2 and 3, MGS 2-4, Splinter Cell, Astro Boy, Castlevania SOTN and Harmony Of Dissonance, Super Metroid, Metroid 1, Zero Mission, Super Mario 2, World 1 and 3, The Warriors, James Bond Everything Or Nothing, Deus Ex, Goldeneye, Devil May Cry 1, 3, and 4, Bayonetta, Halo CE, Golden Sun*, Mega Man X, Tomb Raider Legend, Red Dead Redemption*, Riddick:Buther Bay, Resident Evil 2 and 3, Zelda, Sonic, Half-Life, TMNT 2, 3 and IV, Contra 3 and Hard Corps, RKA, Vigilante 8 1 and 2 and every good Ninja Gaiden, Earthworm Jim, Aladdin Genesis, M.U.S.H.A, Breath Of Fire 1 and 2 and Little Samson.
* - It hasn't been that long but I had a long break during some time into the game and I feel like I can't give a fair ranking of it because of that.
Good choices, though I thought Hard Corps would be up there for sure.
Did you read my post at all. :> I haven't played Hard Corps since I was a teen. In my heart, it's still my favorite shoot em up but it's been too long to justify it's always super high spot.
Quote from: gunswordfist on September 04, 2014, 08:11:24 PM
Did you read my post at all. :> I haven't played Hard Corps since I was a teen. In my heart, it's still my favorite shoot em up but it's been too long to justify it's always super high spot.
Well, I meant in the top ten, but I see your point.
I meant I can't rank it at all because it's been so long.
I just got an awesome idea from the other thread, but I want to rank my favorite games for each generation since the SNES (only because I was barely just born when the NES generation was coming to a close).
Here are my favorites from each one:
SNES/Genesis:
10. DOOM
9. Super Castlevania IV
8. Chrono Trigger
7. Sonic the Hedgehog 2
6. Super Mario World
5. Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles
4. Mega Man X
3. Rocket Knight Adventures
2. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest
1. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
N64/PS1/Saturn/DC/GBC:
10. Sonic Adventure
9. The Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver
8. Half-Life
7. Banjo-Kazooie
6. Pokemon Gold/Silver
5. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
4. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
3. Star Fox 64
2. WWF: No Mercy
1. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
XBOX/PS2/GC/DC/GBC/GBA (extended to 25 entries because it's just too much awesome):
25. NBA Street Vol. 2
24. Sonic Adventure 2
23. Garou: Mark of the Wolves/Fatal Fury 9
22. Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath
21. Jet Set Radio Future
20. Sega Soccer Slam
19. Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne
18. SSX Tricky
17. Shinobi
16. Half-Life 2
15. Power Stone 2
14. Soul Calibur II
12. Devil May Cry
11. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
10. TimeSplitters 2
9. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
8. Star Wars: Jedi Knight II - Jedi Outcast
7. Halo: Combat Evolved
6. The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages/Seasons
5. F.E.A.R.
4. Max Payne
3. Resident Evil 4
2. Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening (Special Edition)
1. Ninja Gaiden Black
Oh god, I forgot to include F.E.A.R. in my list of top games from last gen! :shit: Good thing we're counting it as part of the gen the PC version released during. :D
I'll probably post some lists later. There's gonna' be a lot of overlap with yours, though. ;)
It's really iffy with games that are releases so close to transitional periods, but in my mind, the original F.E.A.R. releases on the PC in October of 2005 missed being counted as a last gen title by about a month, since the XBOX360 came out in November, and IMO, that's the official start of last gen.
It's the same with the Dreamcast, which I've never been sure if it ranks as a 5th or 6th generation console, so I ultimately decided that the PS2 marked the beginning of the 6th gen, and decided to include DC games released before that period of time as 5th gen games, and anything released after that point to be 6th gen, hence why SA 1 and 2 are split up between generations for me.
Extended the list by another 5 entries because I just remembered some more awesome games that I forgot. Christ! I can't believe how insanely loaded last generation was when it came to high quality games, both high and low-profile. The funny thing is that I STILL have room for more entries, and have to restrain myself from extending the lie out further. And, mind you, I really do love all of these games. I'm not just including them on the list for the sake of it. To me, they are all highly replayable and really worth just about anyone's time.
Desensitized, I know that the 6th gen wasn't your thing when it came to the severe lack of great 2D platformers, and I can certainly understand that, but looking back on how you used to say that the whole generation blew, surely even you can't deny that it had arguably the best offering of 3D action games of all time. It really is my personal favorite generation in that regard, though I'd say that I like the 4th gen just as much, and would probably like it even more if I played more of the lesser known, but still high quality titles from that generation, which to me was the definitive best generation for 2D gaming in general.
Sixth generation is the best of all time IMO. I can name more amazing games on the PS2 alone than I can for other gens across all consoles. And that's not even getting into the awesome exclusives for GC, Xbox, DC, GBA, and PC...
You asked for it. I'll avoid portables and PC to make it less messy. Neo Geo and arcade would further complicate it, so I'm not listing them either.
NES / Master System
20. Alex Kidd in Miracle World
19. Tiny Toon Adventures
18. Alex Kidd in Shinobi World
17. Sonic the Hedgehog
16. Journey to Silius
15. Super Mario Bros.
14. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III: The Manhattan Project
13. Ninja Gaiden II
12. Blaster Master
11. Gimmick!
10. StarTropics
9. Double Dragon II
8. Adventure Island II
7. Mega Man II
6. Super Mario Bros. 2
5. Bubble Bobble
4. River City Ransom
3. Mega Man III
2. Contra
1. Super Mario Bros. 3
SNES / Sega Genesis / Turbografx-16
20. Ys Book I & II
19. Bonk's Revenge
18. Blazing Lasers
17. Rocket Knight Adventures
16. Castlevania: Rondo of Blood
15. Sonic The Hedgehog
14. Streets of Rage 2
13. Earthbound
12. Monster World IV
11. Sonic the Hedgehog CD
10. Ristar
9. Chrono Trigger
8. Gunstar Heroes
7. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
6. Shinobi III
5. Kirby Superstar
4. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest
3. Mega Man X
2. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
1. Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles
Nintendo 64 / PlayStation / Saturn
20. NiGHTS
19. Mega Man X4
18. Bomberman Hero
17. Final Fantasy IX
16. Silent Bomber
15. Radiant Silvergun
14. Tomba!
13. Parappa the Rapper
12. Crash Bandicoot: Warped
11. Brave Fencer Musashi
10. Star Fox 64
9. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
8. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
7. Banjo Kazooie
6. Crash Bandicoot 2: Cortex Strikes Back
5. Klonoa: Door to Phantomile
4. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
3. WWF: No Mercy
2. Crash Team Racing
1. Super Smash Bros.
Gamecube / PlayStation 2 / Dreamcast / XBOX
20. Contra: Shattered Soldier
19. Jak II
18. Sonic Adventure
17. The Red Star
16. Super Monkey Ball 2
15. Power Stone 2
14. Timesplitters: Future Perfect
13. Garou: Mark of the Wolves
12. Jet Grind Radio
11. Maximo: Ghosts to Glory
10. Jak & Daxter: The Precursor Legacy
9. Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando
8. Halo: Combat Evolved
7. Klonoa 2: Lunatea's Veil
6. Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal
5. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
4. Viewtiful Joe
3. Super Monkey Ball
2. Paper Mario: Thousand Year Door
1. Mario Kart: Double Dash!!
That was difficult.
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on October 06, 2014, 03:29:04 PMDesensitized, I know that the 6th gen wasn't your thing when it came to the severe lack of great 2D platformers, and I can certainly understand that, but looking back on how you used to say that the whole generation blew, surely even you can't deny that it had arguably the best offering of 3D action games of all time. It really is my personal favorite generation in that regard, though I'd say that I like the 4th gen just as much, and would probably like it even more if I played more of the lesser known, but still high quality titles from that generation, which to me was the definitive best generation for 2D gaming in general.
If we're talking 3D, there's some excellent stuff. I just didn't like how lopsided the gen was. And before you mention I'm lacking NGB and Devil May Cry, they were on there until I remembered a few other games. It was hard pairing them down to 20.
The 16-bit generation will probably always be my favorite, but I can't deny there's been a lot of great stuff since.
Awesome list! And I can't believe that I forgot about Crash Bandicoot: Warped. I used to play the shit out of that game when I was a kid.
Fourth generation is easily my second favorite. The SNES and Genesis are nearly unrivaled to this day.
I'm honestly surprised you included Jak 2 over NGB and DMC, though. I thought you didn't like the Jak sequels.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on October 06, 2014, 03:46:37 PMIf we're talking 3D, there's some excellent stuff. I just didn't like how lopsided the gen was. And before you mention I'm lacking NGB and Devil May Cry, they were on there until I remembered a few other games. It was hard pairing them down to 20.
The 16-bit generation will probably always be my favorite, but I can't deny there's been a lot of great stuff since.
I actually always assumed that you just never played that much of NGB since you said that the 3D games are too hard to get into (and you never really talked about any of it, before that). :D
To be fair, I can't blame you, either way. The game is punishing at first and has a learning curve, but I've always found it to be the perfect balance between simple design and nuanced gameplay mechanics, myself, which is probably why it resonated so well with me from the get-go.
Well, the way that I see it, 4th gen was indisputably the best for 2D games, and the 6th gen basically did the same for 3D games. To me they are both qualified to be the best for what they excel at, so it all comes down to which kinds of games that you prefer. Your 4th gen list does make me realize how many gems I need to go back and play, though. Actually, the same applies to you 5th gen list as well. I actually remember playing Tomba!, but it was so long ago. I also need to experience more games from your 3rd gen list.
Quote from: Foggle on October 06, 2014, 03:50:47 PMI'm honestly surprised you included Jak 2 over NGB and DMC, though. I thought you didn't like the Jak sequels.
I liked everything about Jak II other than the story and the overworld mssions. If we're talking pure action/platforming gameplay, it was awesome and was so, so close to topping the original. I probably shouldn't rate it in the top 20, but those platforming missions were some of my all-time favorites.
I actually liked the story, but I agree that the overworld missions got old before long. If it was just straight platforming/shooting like Ratchet & Clank, it'd be all time top 10 material for me, easy.
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on October 06, 2014, 03:51:04 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on October 06, 2014, 03:46:37 PMIf we're talking 3D, there's some excellent stuff. I just didn't like how lopsided the gen was. And before you mention I'm lacking NGB and Devil May Cry, they were on there until I remembered a few other games. It was hard pairing them down to 20.
The 16-bit generation will probably always be my favorite, but I can't deny there's been a lot of great stuff since.
I actually always assumed that you just never played that much of NGB since you said that the 3D games are too hard to get into (and you never really talked about any of it, before that). :D
To be fair, I can't blame you, either way. The game is punishing at first and has a learning curve, but I've always found it to be the perfect balance between simple design and nuanced gameplay mechanics, myself, which is probably why it resonated so well with me from the get-go.
Well, the way that I see it, 4th gen was indisputably the best for 2D games, and the 6th gen basically did the same for 3D games. To me they are both qualified to be the best for what they excel at, so it all comes down to which kinds of games that you prefer. Your 4th gen list does make me realize how many gems I need to go back and play, though. Actually, the same applies to you 5th gen list as well. I actually remember playing Tomba!, but it was so long ago. I also need to experience more games from your 3rd gen list.
I played NGB and like it a lot, it just demolished me and was hard for me to wrap my head around. When it comes to 3D third person combat in games, I tend to go stupid in the middle of intense situations. That said, it was a really tight game. Devil May Cry was the same as was Ninja Gaiden II. They're good games, but not my cup of tea, so I don't come back to them nearly as much as I do for platformers or 3D adventure games.
I find the PS2 generation is a lot like the NES generation is to 2D games. So many years later and you're liable to find a good gem in the mix. Last year I played Freedom Fighters for the first time, for instance, and it beats most of the shooters I played last gen. Same with finding the hidden gems on the NES like Gimmick!, Metal Storm, Gremlins 2, or Little Samson. Looking back, they're better than I gave them credit for, for sure.
Yeah, I'm still discovering a ton of hidden gems from both the SNES and PS2 generations to this day, and I still have a ton of stuff to play from the NES generation that I just haven't gotten around to yet.
Last page asked favorite games from last generation. Well, I didn't play as many as some gamers, but for me, here are some that stand out:
-New Super Mario Bros. Wii (and, by extension, NSMB 2)
-Donkey Kong Country Returns
-Rayman Origins
-Mortal Kombat 9
-Sonic Generations
-Street Fighter IV (only downside, besides Seth's cheapness, is that Capcom kept milking the game to death, even really recently with Ultra)
-Super Mario Galaxy 1 & 2
-Mario Kart Wii
-Little Big Planet 1 & 2 (no, they're not the hardest games, but they're great eye candy)
Downloadable titles gets into a whole 'nother category (Mega Man 9?).
Mega Man 9 was excellent. One of my favorite games.
I'm thinking about getting MK9 since it is on sale for 5.99 today.
Speedy, do you mean Super Street Fighter IV or just Street Fighter IV? I used to be able to beat Seth on Very Hard by throwing nothing but special attacks in SF IV but then again maybe I am an anomaly and I did have to get used to his patterns before it got that easy for me. As for Super, yep, he's hard as hell.
Quote from: Foggle on October 06, 2014, 03:38:16 PM
Sixth generation is the best of all time IMO. I can name more amazing games on the PS2 alone than I can for other gens across all consoles. And that's not even getting into the awesome exclusives for GC, Xbox, DC, GBA, and PC...
The 6th is my 2nd favorite. SNES/Genesis will always be number 1 for me but with how many good GBA games I've been play, the 6th is now too far behind IMO.
The GBA is my favorite portable system. So many great games, so little attention. It's like a return to the 16-bit generation.
I was thinking the same over the last few weeks - like another SNES generation. You have devs from the past take what worked from that gen and apply new/newer features to the formula, like I just said about Circle of the Moon, plus other games like Mother 3, Mega Man Zero, etc. etc. It's wonderful.
This VC trailer for DKC2 is a good reminder of why the game is so great. (http://www.gonintendo.com/s/239896-donkey-kong-country-2-diddy-s-kong-quest-wii-u-vc-trailer)
In other news, I decided to make a top 20 list for the GBA excluding ports. (Otherwise this would go on much longer)
GBA
20. Mega Man Battle Network 3
19. Lady Sia
18. Mega Man Zero 4
17. Klonoa: Empire of Dreams
16. Castlevania: Circle of the Moon
15. Mario Vs. Donkey Kong
14. Gunstar Super Heroes
13. Golden Sun / TLA
12. Wario Land 4
11. Mega Man Zero
10. Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga
9. Sonic Advance
8. WarioWare, Inc: Mega Microgame$!
7. The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
6. Dragon Ball: Advanced Adventure
5. Ninja Five-O
4. Mega Man Zero 2
3. Metroid Fusion
2. Mega Man Zero 3
1. Double Dragon Advance
My favorite gba games: 3. golden sun 2. mother 3 1. astro boy: omega factor. i would have more games listed but i haven't beaten harmony of dissonance or wario land 4 in forever. also, i have not beaten mega man zero, metal slug advance, metroid fusion, metroid zero mission, aria of sorrow and cotm yet nor have i played double dragon advance or minish cap yet.
I've been thinking, i need to beat mega man games without using auto-fire. i abused them in all the games i've beaten. hmmm, probably why i can't beat 7 and 9.
Favorite series per genre:
RPG - Mother
Beat em up - Streets Of Rage
Fighting - Street Fighter
Shoot em up - Metal Slug
Platformer - Genesis Sonic
3D Platformer - Ratchet & Clank
Strategy RPG - Shining Force
TPS - Max Payne
FPS - Doom
Metroidvania - Metroid
Hack n Slash - DMC
Stealth - MGS
Survival Horror - PS1 RE
Other - Zelda
Now to compare this list with the top favorite per genre from each console I've played:
NES:
RPG - Sweet Home
Platformer - Mega Man 2 (My current favorite game) Shoot em up, beat em up...everything else - Can't decide. I have a lot of games to beat.
SNES - RPG - Earthbound. I have a lot of RPGs, Platformers and other games to play. I have never beaten Super Metroid, SMW 1 and 2, A Link To The Past, Contra 3, Earthworm Jim 1 and 2, any Donkey Kong game, etc.
Genesis:
RPG - Phantasy Star IV (genre favorite)
SEU - Contra HC, genre fav.
Platformer - Sonic 2
BEU - Streets Of Rage 2
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RPG - Knights of the Old Republic
Beat em up - Streets Of Rage 2
Fighting - Soul Calibur II
Shoot em up - Contra
2D Platformer - Yoshi's Island
3D Platformer - Jet Set Radio Future
TPS - Max Payne
FPS - F.E.A.R.
Metroidvania - Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
Hack n Slash - Ninja Gaiden Black
Survival Horror - Resident Evil 4
2D Adventure- The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages/Seasons
3D Adventure- The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
RPG - Chrono Trigger
Fighting - Guilty Gear/BlazBlue
Shoot'em up - Hard Corps Uprising
2D Platformer - Yoshi's Island
3D Platformer - Super Mario Galaxy 2
Hack'n Slash - DMC 3
Quote from: Rynnec on November 18, 2014, 05:52:11 PM2D Platformer - Yoshi's Island
Good man! :thumbup:
Although, admittedly I'm a bit surprised. I was sure that you'd list a Sonic game for some reason.
QuoteHack'n Slash - DMC 3
Easily my 2nd favorite in the genre, even though I got burned out by playing DMD mode.
I honestly feel like one of the few people who prefers this game to Bayonetta. And don't get me wrong, I love Bayonetta. It's my 3rd favorite game in the genre, and I'd say that it's a "better" game than this game and NGB, but I still just "prefer" those games and the specific ways that they each play to Bayonetta's style, if that makes any sense.
Turn-Based RPG - Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga
Action RPG - Nier
Strategy RPG - Valkyria Chronicles
2D Beat 'em up - Streets of Rage 2
3D Beat 'em up - God Hand
Fighting - Tekken 3
Shoot 'em up - Metal Slug X
2D Platformer - Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze
3D Platformer - Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando
Third-Person Shooter - Resident Evil 4
First-Person Shooter - F.E.A.R.
Hack 'n Slash - Ninja Gaiden [Black/Sigma]
Stealth - Deus Ex
Survival Horror (scares) - Fatal Frame 2: Crimson Butterfly
Survival Horror (fun) - Resident Evil (Remake)
2D Adventure - The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages/Seasons
3D Adventure - The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on November 18, 2014, 08:12:38 PM
I honestly feel like one of the few people who prefers this game to Bayonetta. And don't get me wrong, I love Bayonetta. It's my 3rd favorite game in the genre, and I'd say that it's a "better" game than this game and NGB, but I still just "prefer" those games and the specific ways that they each play to Bayonetta's style, if that makes any sense.
It's a hard pick for me. I like all three of those games (and DMC1, as well) almost equally, so I can never decide which is my all time favorite. I usually go with NGB though, since it was my first love from the genre.
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on November 18, 2014, 03:25:57 PM
TPS - Max Payne
FPS - F.E.A.R.
Bullet time is best time!
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on November 18, 2014, 03:25:57 PM2D Adventure- The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages/Seasons
Quote from: gunswordfist on November 18, 2014, 03:17:42 PM
3D Platformer - Ratchet & Clank
:thumbup:
Great list, Foggle! I still really need to play some of those games. :thumbup:
Also, I'm glad to see that we agree on certain genres so much. ;)
i want to complete the ratchet series, rka and play ninja gaiden black, re4, f.e.a.r. and metal slug x.
Turn-Based RPG - Earthbound
Action RPG - Brave Fencer Musashi
Strategy RPG - Valkyria Chronicles
2D Beat 'em up - Streets of Rage 2
3D Beat 'em up - God Hand
Fighting - Super Smash Bros or Garou if the former doesn't count
Shoot 'em up - Contra NES
2D Platformer - Super Mario Bros. 3
3D Platformer - Super Mario Galaxy 2
Third-Person Shooter - Not my biggest genre, so I'll go with an odd choice. Freedom Fighters.
First-Person Shooter - DOOM II
Hack 'n Slash - Mega Man Zero 3
Stealth - Sly 4
Survival Horror - Deadly Premonition
2D Adventure - The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past / A Link Between Worlds
3D Adventure - The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
Metroidvania - Metroid Fusion
Other - The Wonderful 101
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4CkqjDCYAMLeTZ.jpg)
They got that from PC, 3DS, and Wii U sales.
One indie platformer.
2D Platformer: Sonic 2
3D Platformer: Ratchet & Clank Future A Crack In Time
Action Platformer: Mega Man 2
Shoot em up: Contra Hard Corps
Third Person Shooter: Max Payne
2D Beat em up:
Streets Of Rage Remake
3D Beat em up: The Warriors (Xbox Original), with Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2 being not too far behind.
Turn-based RPG
: Phantasy Star IV
Action RPG:
Mass Effect 2
Survival Horror: Resident Evil 3
FPS: Doom 2
Classic Arcade: Ms. Pac-Man
Arcade Shooter: House Of The Dead 2
Metroidvania: Castlevania Symphony of the Night
Racing: Burnout Revenge or Crash Team Racing
Fighting/Party: Super Smash Bros. 64
2D Adventure: Link's Awakening or Oracle of Seasons
Hack n Slash:
DMC1
Stealth: MGS4
Strategy Rpg: Shining
Force 2
Top Down Arcade Shooter: Shoot 1up
Action Platformer: Rocket Knight Adventure/Mega Man X (Tie)
Action Platformer: Shinobi III/Mega Man X
Classic Arcade: Sunset Riders
Arcade Shooter: House Of The Dead 3
Racing: OutRun 2/Mario Kart: Double Dash
i haven't played the last 4 games you listed.
Car Action: Vigilante 8 2nd Offense!
Boxing: Ready 2 Rumble 2
Basketball: NBA Street Vol. 2
Sports: SSX Tricky
I like afros! I like afros! Sing it with me! I like afros! I like afros!
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Got a Wii U? Keep an eye out. It's coming!
military shooter: rainbow six vegas 2
puzzle: super puzzle fighter 2 hd turbo remix
Military Shooter: Halo: Combat Evolved (space marines count)
WWII Shooter: Medal of Honor: Frontline
Sports: Sega Soccer Slam
still need to play sega soccer slam
Mega Man Zero is on the eshop RIGHT NOW. If you have never played this game or series, you well know that I regard it very, very highly. Go pick it up!
And no whining about difficulty, you can use save states here. ;)
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on December 17, 2014, 05:39:18 PM
And no whining about difficulty, you can use save states here. ;)
Oh you :blush:
Quote from: Daxdiv on December 17, 2014, 08:59:44 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on December 17, 2014, 05:39:18 PM
And no whining about difficulty, you can use save states here. ;)
Oh you :blush:
Oh, and the 3DS has Game Boy Mega Man IV on sale.
If you're a Mega Man fan, you really should get it. It's one of the best Classic Mega Man games.
Hey Foggle, I remember you having some problems with it at some point. But I must ask, how is the Steam port of RE4?
Quote from: talonmalon333 on December 18, 2014, 03:52:25 PM
Hey Foggle, I remember you having some problems with it at some point. But I must ask, how is the Steam port of RE4?
Extremely well-done, but my copy has weird glitches that don't appear to be too common. I'm not sure why, but for me, the enemies take about 1/2 as many hits to kill as they're supposed to, and the game almost always crashes after codec calls with Hunnigan. I wouldn't recommend the Steam version from personal experience, but I seem to be one of the only people having these problems, so it's probably worth a shot.
I want to own this whole series on Steam. I know 4, 5, 6, and Revelaitons are there, and we'll be getting 1 soon. We just need the rest.
I honestly doubt that 2, 3, 0, or Code Veronica will ever make it to Steam. It apparently took some doing to get REmake working on modern hardware, and I don't think Capcom would want to invest in remaking 0 the same way, since it isn't particularly popular. The PC ports of 2 and 3 are absolutely horrific, and definitely unreleasable on Steam, so those are also out unless Capcom decides to put in the effort toward making new ports. CV is more likely to come to PC than the others, since it already has an HD remaster, but I don't think that one's popular enough to be viable for Capcom at the moment, since they're on the verge of collapse. :(
series rankings:
metal slug:
4. 1
3. 2
2. xx
1. 3
megaman:
5. 6
4. 4
3. 5
2. 3
1. 2
MGS:
3. 2
2. 3
1. 4
DMC:
4. 2
3. 4
2. 3
1. 1
Mother:
3. Mother 1
2. Mother 3
1. Earthbound
Splinter Cell:
2. Conviction
1. Pandora Tomorrow
Soul Calibur:
2. IV
1. II
Ninja Gaiden:
2. II
1. 1 Xbox
Street Fighter:
1. 2=3=4
Max Payne:
2. 2
1. 1
Final Fantasy:
3. X
2. XI
1. VIII
Breath Of Fire:
1. 1=2
Gunstar Heroes:
2. Gunstar Superheroes
1. Gunstar Heroes
Sonic The Hedgehog:
4. Sonic 3 & Knuckles
3. Sonic CD
2. Sonic 1
1. Sonic 2
Ready 2 Rumble:
2. 2
1. 1
Vigilante 8:
2. 1
1. 2nd Offense
Doom:
2. 1
1. 2
Halo:
3. 2
2. 3
1. CE
Quote from: Foggle on December 19, 2014, 02:07:20 AM
I honestly doubt that 2, 3, 0, or Code Veronica will ever make it to Steam. It apparently took some doing to get REmake working on modern hardware, and I don't think Capcom would want to invest in remaking 0 the same way, since it isn't particularly popular. The PC ports of 2 and 3 are absolutely horrific, and definitely unreleasable on Steam, so those are also out unless Capcom decides to put in the effort toward making new ports. CV is more likely to come to PC than the others, since it already has an HD remaster, but I don't think that one's popular enough to be viable for Capcom at the moment, since they're on the verge of collapse. :(
I figured. I just want most games to be playable on PC. :P
open world: the warriors with red dead redemption in a close second. oh, the irony.
superhero: marvel ultimate alliance 2
Ultimate Mega Man Tier List:
Top Tier
Mega Man X / Maverick Hunter X [PSP]
Mega Man 3 [NES]
Mega Man 9
Mega Man Zero 3
Mega Man 2 [NES]
Mega Man V [Game Boy]
Mega Man Zero 2
Mega Man IV [Game Boy]
High Tier
Mega Man X2
Mega Man Legends 2
Mega Man Legends
Mega Man X3
Mega Man X4
Mega Man Zero
Mega Man 7
Mid Tier
Mega Man Zero 4
Mega Man [NES] / Powered Up [PSP]
Mega Man III [Game Boy]
Mega Man X8
Mega Man 5 [NES]
Mega Man X5
Mega Man ZX
Mega Man Battle Network Transmission
Mid-Low Tier
Mega Man & Bass
Mega Man 10
Mega Man: Dr. Wily's Revenge [Game Boy]
Low Tier
Mega Man 8
Mega Man 4 [NES]
Mega Man 6 [NES]
Bottom Tier
Mega Man II [Game Boy]
Mega Man X6
Mega Man ZX Advent
Mega Man X7
I had to split the low games into two areas because they're not comparable in quality even though not as good as the mid games. All in all, it's an excellent series. It's a shame Capcom never really pushed it much despite its quality.
you listed mega man 2 twice. i would probably put 4 in mid-tier as well.
Ah, I knew I messed up somewhere. Thanks!
Would would you guys say is Nintendo's weakest home console (ignoring the Wii U since it's only a few years old)?
Gamecube without question.
There are excellent games on the system, but as a whole Nintendo's games felt like they were going in a direction I didn't want from them. Their software didn't have quite the polish on the whole, Rare wasn't there to prop them up, third parties were gone (more or less), and they had all but abandoned 2D like everyone else.
It was why Wind Waker surprised me so thoroughly when it was revealed. It was just the type of thing I hoped for from Nintendo, but didn't expect at all.
Of course, the system has classics. Every system usually has at least a classic or two buried in its library. The Thousand Year Door, Wind Waker, Double Dash, Super Monkey Ball, Viewtiful Joe . . . there are great games. But I'm confident in saying it has the least amount of games I like of any Nintendo system.
I can tell you right now, I already think the Wii U is a better system than the Gamecube. And it still has plenty of juice left.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on December 23, 2014, 06:57:12 PM
Gamecube without question.
There are excellent games on the system, but as a whole Nintendo's games felt like they were going in a direction I didn't want from them. Their software didn't have quite the polish on the whole, Rare wasn't there to prop them up, third parties were gone (more or less), and they had all but abandoned 2D like everyone else.
It was why Wind Waker surprised me so thoroughly when it was revealed. It was just the type of thing I hoped for from Nintendo, but didn't expect at all.
Of course, the system has classics. Every system usually has at least a classic or two buried in its library. The Thousand Year Door, Wind Waker, Double Dash, Super Monkey Ball, Viewtiful Joe . . . there are great games. But I'm confident in saying it has the least amount of games I like of any Nintendo system.
I can tell you right now, I already think the Wii U is a better system than the Gamecube. And it still has plenty of juice left.
It has plenty more classics beyond what you list. Smash Bros. Melee, Twilight Princess, Resident Evil, Resident Evil 4, Eternal Darkness... there are a lot. And these aren't just great games. They are accepted classics. :P
I think it has held up better than the Nintendo 64. I feel like the N64 is a hit or miss console. It's classics are top tier classics, but it also has games that haven't aged well. And honestly, beyond first party games and Rare... does it have much at all?
QuoteSmash Bros. Melee
Meh.
QuoteTwilight Princess
Is every Zelda game considered a classic or something? Because this one I don't consider a classic.
QuoteResident Evil
Not arguing, but it's not my thing.
QuoteResident Evil 4
Not an exclusive and I prefer the Wii's controls, but sure.
QuoteEternal Darkness
This game is not really that good, IMO. But then, Soul Reaver is about the only game from this dev that I liked.
QuoteI think it has held up better than the Nintendo 64. I feel like the N64 is a hit or miss console. It's classics are top tier classics, but it also has games that haven't aged well. And honestly, beyond first party games and Rare... does it have much at all?
Does the Gamecube?
If you want me to list good N64 games, I can.
Bomberman Hero
Bomberman 64
Bomberman 64: The Second Attack!
Beetle Adventure Racing
Resident Evil 2
Goemon's Great Adventure
Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon
Diddy Kong Racing
Mischief Makers
Mario Golf
Mario Party 2
Mario Party 3
Mario Tennis
Ogre Battle 64
Super Smash Bros.
Mega Man 64
Spider-Man
Battletanx
Battletanx: Global Assault
DOOM 64
Rocket: Robot on Wheels
WCW/NWO: Revenge
WWF: No Mercy
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
1080 Snowboarding
Wave Race 64
Paper Mario
F-Zero X
Star Fox 64
Super Mario 64
These are all games I have come into contact with in the last decade that don't suffer from fog problems or bad framerate to make them unplayable. Yes, I put first party games in there, but I also didn't list the ones I didn't care for.
Now should I add in the Rare games?
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on December 23, 2014, 10:06:38 PM
Is every Zelda game considered a classic or something? Because this one I don't consider a classic.
Of course not. But almost everyone and their dog considers Twilight Princess one of the greats. You're one of the few who doesn't.
I don't feel like going through those games individually. There are a handful that I haven't played, but based on the ones I've played, I feel some don't hold up too well (like WWF and the original Mario Party), and some I was never particularly a fan of (like Bomberman 64 and Diddy Kong Racing which I found kind of overrated). I also don't think RE2 was a good port, and that GameCube Mario Tennis is better than the N64 version, along with Melee being far better than the original Smash Bros.
Quote from: talonmalon333 on December 23, 2014, 10:25:34 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on December 23, 2014, 10:06:38 PM
Is every Zelda game considered a classic or something? Because this one I don't consider a classic.
Of course not. But almost everyone and their dog considers Twilight Princess a great. You're one of the few who doesn't consider it one.
I don't feel like going through those games individually. There are a handful that I haven't played, but based on the ones I've played, I feel some don't hold up too well (like WWF and the original Mario Party), and some I was never particularly a fan of (like Bomberman 64 and Diddy Kong Racing which I found kind of overrated). I also don't think RE2 was a good port, and that GameCube Mario Tennis is better than the N64 version, along with Melee being far better than the original Smash Bros.
I didn't list the original Mario Party. But No Mercy absolutely holds up. About three years ago I got together with a couple of friends and we played a few matches. It's still the best wrestling game ever made with tight controls, tons of options, and over the top moves.
But, taste aside, my point was that there are plenty of good N64 games worth playing. They aren't all unplayable or even that badly dated. I didn't even list games Rare made.
The Gamecube just doesn't compare for me.
what's mega man 64 again? and just like dreamcast, i doubt a lot of n64 games have aged well due to having just one joystick.
You had Mario Golf directly before Mario Party 2 and 3 so I accidentally read it as Mario Party 1 initially, even though I also read it as Mario Golf so that was kind of a weird mistake. :P
I'm not a big fan of wrestling video games, but I think in general I prefer 2D ones.
And I do like a good handful of N64 games. No Nintendo console is bad. I just think the GameCube was stronger in the third-party department. Overall though, my favorites are pretty easily NES and SNES.
What are some good 2d wrestling games?
To be fair, let me list the Gamecube games I would list in a similar list to my N64. Assuming I own a PS2 (or Xbox) like about every other gamer did at the time, I'll try to stick to exclusives and games I actually enjoy.
Metroid Prime
Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
Mega Man Network Transmission
Sonic Adventure 2: Battle
Soul Calibur II (Best version)
Super Smash Bros. Melee
Viewtiful Joe (Best version)
Luigi's Mansion
Resident Evil Remake
Resident Evil 0
Resident Evil 4
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Mario Kart: Double Dash!!
F-Zero GX
Kirby's Air Ride
Super Monkey Ball
Super Monkey Ball 2
The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventure
Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles
Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
Star Wars: Rogue Squadron
Super Mario Strikers
Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance
Pikmin 2
Now, if I took out first party, what would I really be left with? I'm only listing Melee as a courtesy-- I don't really like it much otherwise.
This isn't to say I dislike the Gamecube, but that list is not terribly long or interesting to me as a whole. Of all the Nintendo systems, that's the weakest to me.
Quote from: gunswordfist on December 23, 2014, 10:35:41 PM
what's mega man 64 again? and just like dreamcast, i doubt a lot of n64 games have aged well due to having just one joystick.
It was a Mega Man Legends 1 port. Pretty solid one from what I remember.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on December 23, 2014, 10:06:38 PMQuote
Eternal Darkness
This game is not really that good, IMO. But then, Soul Reaver is about the only game from this dev that I liked.
:wth:
Silicon Knights only made the original Blood Omen, btw. The other Legacy of Kain games (excluding Nosgoth) were from Crystal Dynamics.
Quote from: Foggle on December 24, 2014, 02:09:36 AM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on December 23, 2014, 10:06:38 PMQuote
Eternal Darkness
This game is not really that good, IMO. But then, Soul Reaver is about the only game from this dev that I liked.
:wth:
Silicon Knights only made the original Blood Omen, btw. The other Legacy of Kain games (excluding Nosgoth) were from Crystal Dynamics.
I thought they made Soul Reaver?
And no, not a fan of Eternal Darkness, sorry. :sweat:
Spark, how come you like the original Smash Bros. over Melee?
Quote from: gunswordfist on December 23, 2014, 10:41:17 PM
What are some good 2d wrestling games?
I liked In Your House for PS1, and a few for SNES though probably out of nostalgia. Like I said, wrestling games aren't my thing, despite being a fan of wrestling myself.
Quote from: talonmalon333 on December 24, 2014, 11:43:07 AMSpark, how come you like the original Smash Bros. over Melee?
I'll try to explain my main points.
-The speed. Melee is too fast, and certain characters have a huge advantage over others because of it. I prefer the slower speed of 64 which is centered on big hits instead. Everything feels slippery instead of the power when getting off hits like in Smash 64.
-The level selection. They chose the most boring 64 stages to bring back, and of the new ones I didn't like that many. Big Blue, Fourside, Mushroom Kingdom, Mushroom Kingdom II, Onett, Pokemon Stadium, Rainbow Cruise, Yoshi's Island, and Temple are the only stages I really enjoyed. The original game's stages are far more balanced.
-The roster. The new characters did nothing for me. Now, I'm not debating they shouldn't have included the likes of Princess Peach, Zelda, Bowser, or Ganondorf, but it's the only Smash Bros. game where I have to say I didn't like playing as
any of the newcomers. Other than Ice Climbers, none of them blew me away with creativity, either.
-Adventure mode. Dullsville. Classic mode is the only single player Smash mode I've ever really cared for.
-The balancing. I'm a Kirby and Ness main. Guess which characters got pointlessly nerfed to oblivion? Not Fox, of course. No, my characters. For what reason? Dunno, but it's no fun having to nearly break my controller to beat my friend playing as Marth because Sakurai thought it prudent to utterly neuter my favorite characters. Another friend was a Pikachu main in 64, and he was annoyed, too. This is why I have no sympathy for Sheik, Marth, or Fox fans whining about Smash 4.
-The fans. They don't affect my enjoyment of the game, but they certainly don't help it.
Now, the game isn't abysmal. It's a fairly well made game. I just don't enjoy it. It's probably always going to be my least favorite entry. No matter how many people rush out to tell me I'm wrong over and over, I just can't help the fact that I don't like anything it does that the other games don't do better.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on December 24, 2014, 02:15:18 PM
-The speed. Melee is too fast, and certain characters have a huge advantage over others because of it. I prefer the slower speed of 64 which is centered on big hits instead.
That's actually something I really liked. It especially felt like they slowed things down too much with Brawl. I did like the big hit aspect of the original, though. In that game more than the sequels, when you got hit hard, you really felt it.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on December 24, 2014, 02:15:18 PM-The level selection. They chose the most boring 64 stages to bring back, and of the new ones I didn't like that many.
I actually agree there. Would've liked to have seen Hyrule Castle brought back in particular. That's the level I played the most when I was young.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on December 24, 2014, 02:15:18 PM-The balancing. I'm a Kirby and Ness main. Guess which characters got pointlessly nerfed to oblivion? Not Fox, of course. No, my characters. For what reason? Dunno, but it's no fun having to nearly break my controller to beat my friend playing as Marth because Sakurai thought it prudent to utterly neuter my favorite characters. My friend was a Pikachu main in 64, and he was annoyed, too. This is why I have no sympathy for Sheik, Marth, or Fox fans whining about Smash 4.
I agree on Kirby and Pikachu. They are two of my biggest characters, especially Pikachu, in every game except for Melee. Kirby in particular was made utterly useless. But I don't think Melee was that much less balanced than the original, and it was certainly more balanced than Brawl. Fox was overpowered in the original, too, and Donkey Kong sometimes seemed too heavy.
Overall, though, I play Smash Bros. pretty much always on 4-player, and in those types of games I don't think balance is as much of an issue since it's more about chaos than fighting. Super Smash Bros. in particular has never been a great "fighting" game anyway, so I don't take as much issue to unbalance in it as I would, say, Street Fighter.
Quote from: talonmalon333 on December 24, 2014, 02:23:07 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on December 24, 2014, 02:15:18 PM
-The speed. Melee is too fast, and certain characters have a huge advantage over others because of it. I prefer the slower speed of 64 which is centered on big hits instead.
That's actually something I really liked. It especially felt like they slowed things down too much with Brawl. I did like the big hit aspect of the original, though. In that game more than the sequels, when you got hit hard, you really felt it.
Some people really like the speed, and I can't argue with preference if they do. But not me. :)
I can agree that Brawl was too slow, and also had balance problems, but it's picked up for me by having more stages I like to play on, new characters I really like using, and my characters not being terrible out of the box. I do think Smash 4 pretty much eclipses it gameplay-wise, though.
Smash games aren't known for their balance, I agree. But in the original game, the tier list is pretty close together. Being a smaller cast of characters, it was easier for Sakurai to balance. Only Samus in the original isn't very good (and even then, doesn't compare to how bad the worst characters in Melee and Brawl are), but everyone else is viable. With patches Smash 4 looks like it'll be fairly balanced for a long, long time so I don't worry about that one.
talon had me thinking: what are your favorite video game trilogies?
Silent Hill, maybe. All three of those games are top of their class.
i would say sonic (1, 2 and cd) and mega man. i can't think of a series that stops at 3 or at least has something you could call a reasonable cutoff (for example, i would say the breath of fire snes games and the shining force genesis games are good dualogies)
Mega Man is a lot of fun but I do think 2 kind of outclasses the other games in the series. 1 is good but has some typical NES annoyances. 3 is good, too, as are most of the following games, but they never felt as fine-tuned as 2 for me.
And Sonic is great, but we don't need to discuss that one. Though I do think it makes more sense from a numerical sense to put 3 in there (even though CD came first).
I dont even think about the 3d titles when i list sonic. i don't consider them to be in the same series, just like how i wouldn't group the advance games with the classics or 3d titles.
I wasn't referring to the 3D games. I don't even play those ones, really.
If you could pretend that DMC2 doesn't exist, then DMC1, 3, and 4 would make a pretty solid trilogy.
Other than that, I guess that I'd have to go with a boring and obvious answer like Super Mario Bros. on the NES, as it's the only trilogy that I can think of where each game is great, and the sequels each vastly improve in quality.
Mega Man X is great when it comes to the first 2 games, but I have yet to play the third one.
Here's another question: What are the best video game sequels/prequels/spin-offs?
Prequels:
Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening
Yoshi's Island
Halo: Reach
Sequels:
Sonic 2, 3 & Knuckles
Half-Life 2
Resident Evil 4
Super Mario World
Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest
Spin-Offs:
Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance
Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on December 28, 2014, 09:06:03 AM
the sequels each vastly improve in quality.
I actually thought you liked SMB1 more than 2.
Prequels:
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Yoshi's Island
Sequels
Sonic 3 & Knuckles
Resident Evil 4
Super Mario Galaxy 2 (and if Super Mario Galaxy 1 counts as a sequel to Super Mario 64, it's on this list as well)
Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
Super Metroid
Silent Hill 3 (I'll leave out 2 since it's not really a sequel)
Fallout 3
Spin-Offs
Paper Mario 1 and 2
The whole Mario series is technically a spin-off of Donkey Kong, but I think we can agree to leave that as an exception. So I picked games that are spin-offs within that spin-off.
bad sequels and games in series that i haven't played yet make these trilogy lists hard.
prequels:
mgs3
dmc 3
castlevania sotn
street fighter 4
sequels:
streets of rage 2
doom 2
resident evil 2 and 3
mega man 2-5, 7
ssx tricky
tony hawk pro skater 2
nba street vol. 2
vigilante 8 2nd offense
final fantasy 8 and 9
phantasy star iv
breath of fire 2
shining force 2
vectorman 2
street fighter 2
metal slug 2, 3 and xx
house of the dead 2
link's awakening and oracle of seasons
spin-offs:
duke nukem 3d
streets of rage remake
pac-man adventures
super puzzle fighter 2 hd turbo remix
crash team racing
super smash bros. 64 and melee
Quote from: gunswordfist on December 28, 2014, 03:44:09 PM
prequels:
castlevania sotn
I can't really count that. For me, "prequel" should mean it was made after a previous work while taking place before it, but I also think it should have some relevance to that work. Of the games made prior to Symphony of the Night, the only one it's a prequel to is Bloodlines. And I don't think anyone would call it a prequel to that game, really. It just sort of happens to come later in the timeline. Castlevania III can qualify, though.
To be honest, the Castlevania timeline is a mess. The only reason I knew that it comes before Bloodlines is because I opened up the chronology on Wikipedia to make this post. It makes the Zelda timeline look like coherent. :P
i had no clue. i thought sotn might have came before 1/iv.
Trilogy? I could say Mega Man Zero 1-3 since it pretty much encapsulates a whole story and 4 is kind of an epilogue, but that wouldn't be fair. I'll go with Timesplitters.
Sequels that vastly improve on originals:
Super Mario Bros. 3
Mega Man 2
Mega Man 3
Ninja Gaiden II
Adventure Island II
Wario Land II
Donkey Kong '94 (technically a remake, but not really)
Sonic the Hedgehog CD
Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles
Streets of Rage 2
Shinobi III
Rolling Thunder 2
Monster World IV
Mortal Kombat II
Street Fighter II
Bonk's Revenge
New Adventure Island
Castlevania: Rondo of Blood
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Donkey Kong Country 2
Kirby Super Star
Super Metroid
Metal Slug X
Metal Slug 3
Sengoku 3
Last Blade II
Garou: Mark of the Wolves
Mega Man Zero 2
Mega Man Zero 3
Double Dragon Advance
Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
Mario Kart Double Dash
Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando
Super Mario Galaxy 2
Sequels that are letdowns from the original:
Super Mario Bros. The Lost Levels
Mega Man 4
Mega Man II (Game Boy)
Wario Land 3
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (8-bit)
ActRaiser 2
Sonic 3D Blast
Castlevania: Dracula X
Super Air Zonk
Metal Slug 4
Fatal Fury 3 (thankfully they rectified this later)
Contra: Legacy of War
C: The Contra Adventure
Castlevania 64
Yoshi Story
Kirby 64
Every sequel to Mario Vs. Donkey Kong
Tony Hawk Underground 2 (and everything afterwards)
Mega Man X6
Mega Man X7
Star Fox Assault
Super Mario Sunshine
I noticed that the SNES and Genesis didn't have many disappointing sequels. Not incredibly so, anyway.
Another great sequel that I forgot to mention is Jet Set Radio Future. Also, in terms of sports games, Tony Hawk 2 and 3, NBA Street Vol. 2, and SSX Tricky need to be mentioned as well.
And how did I ever forget to mention Star Fox 64 or Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast?
If we're talking about (major) let-down sequels:
Halo 2
Devil May Cry 2
Ninja Gaiden 3
Soul Calibur III
There are other sequels that are inferior to their predecessors, but those are the ones that REALLY made me feel disappointed with their lack of quality in terms of meeting my expectations. Halo 2 and SCIII aren't even bad games, but both make the same mistake of removing/replacing most of the key things that I liked about the previous game in each respective series, whereas DMC2 and NG3 flat-out miss the point of their previous entries entirely.
except, jsrf and tony hawk 3, i literally mentioned every game you named in your first paragraph, lol.
dmc 2 is probably the biggest disappointment for me.
Let-Down Sequels
The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword
Resident Evil 5
Soul Calibur III
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (sort of)
Escape from Monkey Island
Silent Hill 4: The Room
Super Mario Sunshine
Donkey Kong 64
Castlevania II: Simon's Quest
Star Fox Adventures
why was soul calibur 3 a let down?
what is your favorite controller?
Didn't you or someone else already ask that question last year?
Anyways, my answer is the same as before. It depends on the type of game that I'm playing:
2D games:
6-Button Genesis Controller or MadKatz Fightpad (which is modeled after the Genesis controller)
For most games those extra buttons aren't ncessary, but in some cases may improve the controls in games that allow you to assign button commands. They are also extremely useful in fighting games. As for the d-pad, it covers 8-directions with good precision, so you can't do much better than that, and the controller feels both light and responsive, with good button feedback.
3D Games:
XBOX360 Controller
I find that the stick placement is a lot more comfortable and intuitive than with other controllers, and many people agree, hence why a lot of generic unlicensed game pads for PCs usually model themselves after that style. I also legitimately like the use of the triggers for the lower shoulder buttons, which feel great and responsive and just sensitive enough where you can get different responses in certain games depending on how softly or forcefully you press down on either trigger. The face buttons are also just in a really good spot. My main problem with the Wii-U Pro Controller is how I moves the face buttons down lower than the right analogue stick, which feels really uncomfortable when I have to utilize both those and shoulder buttons regularly in any given game. A lot of people may claim that they like the stick placement better just because they are perfectly parallel, but putting looks aside, I still say that the 360 placement is far better in terms of actual functionality and comfort level. It's basically the perfect fix to everything that was wrong with the original XBOX controller, including the size.
360 controllers for 3d games and shoot em ups that use the right analog stick and have little to no jumping (think smash tv). i haven't used anything else besides a cell phone, computer and/or ps3 controller to play 2d games so no comment on that.
2D games would be every Nintendo and Sega controller outside of the Gamecube and Dreamcast controller. The Fightpad is pretty good for PC games, too.
3D games I'm good with any of them except the PS1 pre-dual shock and PS3 triggers. I adapt to anything with an analog stick pretty quick.
things i don't like about some of my favorite games:
gunstar heroes: boss fights vs. pink. both battles are annoying.
streets of rage remake: the jet ski and bike levels. they are the only thing i hate about this near perfect game. the attacks are too limited compared to the other enemies. having to fight the jack clone with the chain is brutal. i can lose as much as one or almost two continues on just one of these sections. they are nowhere as great as similar stages in shinobi 3 and tmnt 4.
Top 10 (3D) Third Person Action/Adventure Games:
10. Alan Wake
9. Vanquish
8. Devil May Cry
7. Bayonetta
6. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
5. Resident Evil 4
4. Max Payne
3. Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening (Special Edition)
2. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
1. Ninja Gaiden Black
Upon thinking about it, I do count TPS games as Action/Adventure so long as the adventure element is still there. In this list, I excluded platformers and certain other games like the Jedi Knight series based on technicalities, as well as RPGs. The focus here is on games with a heavy focus on real-time action and at least some focus on adventure elements, which involves things such as exploration, puzzle solving, and any in-game methods to advance the plot outside of action sequences. Based on all of that, these are my favorites.
Other than the ridiculous story, I thought Dead to Rights Retribution was a pretty fun beat em up/TPS. Did you ever get around to trying that?
i wanted to play it myself after the praise you gave it awhile ago. i actually liked what i played of the 1st game, which was hokey and really hard (i had to basically play irritating stick to disarm a bomb, iirc. seriously). so i will probably like retribution.
Nintendo just announced Wii games for the Wii U. Super Mario Galaxy 2, Punch-Out Wii, and Metroid Prime Trilogy. All will be ten bucks in their first week of release.
If you have a Wii U and have never played any of these games, well, you don't have much of an excuse now. :P
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on January 14, 2015, 02:22:21 PM
Super Mario Galaxy 2
King of weird that they are releasing this for the Wii U and not SMG1, or both. Either way, this is a good pick. I'm curious how it'll look in HD.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on January 14, 2015, 02:22:21 PM
Metroid Prime Trilogy.
Finally. I mean, I own the game, but people were asking for this for a while. :P
I'm hoping for the more obscure Wii games to get a release. Games like Kororinpa would be ideal. Still, Gamecube games would have been nice.
I got SMG2 for the ten bucks, by the way. Just in case the next Nintendo system doesn't play Wii discs. ;)
I feel like Mario Galaxy 1 would benefit more from HD. It kind of looks better nowadays and is generally grander in scope. 2, though it looks fantastic, has a bit more of a typical Mario color pallet and comes across as "smaller".
i forgot about mafia 2 when i named my favorite open world game. either that or red dead redemption is my favorite.
Did anyone play the newest Twisted Metal game?
Never got around to it. Don't know if there's much sense in doing it now.
What would you guys pick as the 10 best SNES games?
10. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
9. Star Fox
8. Mario Kart
7. Super Castlevania IV
6. Super Metroid
5. Chronno Trigger
4. Super Mario World
3. Mega Man X
2. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong-Quest
1. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
Quote from: talonmalon333 on January 26, 2015, 03:06:58 PM
What would you guys pick as the 10 best SNES games?
Ten games from the best system ever made? I would be leaving off classics no matter what I did.
1. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
2. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest
3. Mega Man X
4. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
5. Kirby Super Star
6. Earthbound
7. Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
8. Super Metroid
9. Super Mario World
10. Secret of Mana
For a bonus, Genesis games:
1. Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles
2. Shinobi III: Return of the Ninja Master
3. Streets of Rage 2
4. Monster World IV
5. Rocket Knight Adventures
6. Gunstar Heroes
7. Ristar
8. Contra: Hard Corps.
9. Ranger-X
10. Phantasy Star IV: The End of the Millennium
Quote1. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
2. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest
3. Mega Man X
:swoon:
I have fond memories of playing Super Mario RPG as a child. But when I revisited it 3-4 years ago, I don't know. I feel like it doesn't hold up very well. The isometric perspective is really awkward considering they tried making this game part platformer, thus that viewpoint caused problems for me a lot. I also think the combat is a bit too unbalanced and easy to exploit, the pacing isn't great, and the characters aren't memorable aside from Booster. Geno has developed a cult following, but do people remember anything about him beyond an admittedly fairly cool design?
The music is awesome, though. I'll give it that. I just think the game, while still pretty fine, as a whole feels a bit undercooked and was beaten quickly by Paper Mario.
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on January 26, 2015, 03:13:08 PM
10. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
9. Star Fox
8. Mario Kart
7. Super Castlevania IV
6. Super Metroid
5. Chronno Trigger
4. Super Mario World
3. Mega Man X
2. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong-Quest
1. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
My list is, like, the exact same as yours, except I'd replace Star Fox and Mario Kart with Super Mario RPG and Front Mission. And I'd probably put Super Metroid at #1.
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on January 26, 2015, 03:49:43 PM
Quote1. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
2. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest
3. Mega Man X
:swoon:
I could have put them in any order, honestly.
Of course as Foggle pointed out, there are still a lot of games missing.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on January 26, 2015, 04:18:12 PM
Of course as Foggle pointed out, there are still a lot of games missing.
The SNES has
tons of good games, it's just that there are 15 or so that are generally considered to be the best of the best. :D
i have only beaten five or less snes games but:
contra 3
super metroid
super mario world
yoshi's island
dkc2
earthbound
super double dragon
breath of fire
breath of fire 2
turtles in time
i have only completed 4 of these games.
Do any of you guys have any favorite video game characters?
That depends. There aren't too many interesting or nuanced characters in most of the types of games that I tend to play, but if we're talking just in terms of what characters I feel are the most fun to play as, I'd have way too many to name, though hack n' slash protagonists like Ryu Hayabusa and Dante would probably top my list.
proto man
mega man
link
dante
ken masters
yun
alys
porky minch
johnny cage!
rune walsh
sonic
tails
Nier, Kaine, and Weiss from Nier
Kazuma, Akiyama, and Majima from Yakuza
Literally the entire main cast of Persona 2
Junpei, Mitsuru, and Akihiko from Persona 3
Ratchet, Clank, and Qwark from Ratchet & Clank
Boss, Johnny, Pierce, and Kinzie from Saints Row
Zero, Decadus, Octa, and Cent from Drakengard 3
Vincent from Catherine
Leon from Resident Evil 4
Garrus and Wrex from Mass Effect
Shodan from System Shock
Glados, Wheatley, and Cave Johnson from Portal
Travis Touchdown from No More Heroes
Hana, Rain, and Deke from Fear Effect
Morte from Planescape: Torment
Handsome Jack and Lilith from Borderlands
Caleb from Blood
Daxter from Jak & Daxter
Kazooie from Banjo-Kazooie
Max Payne from... Max Payne
Oh, also Vlad and Vinnie from Max Payne
I hope that is enough. :P
i wanted to mention max, wrex and garrus and forgot. i somehow completely forgot about vinnie and vlad,
Yeah, I would probably consider Max to be my favorite from an actual character standpoint.
it's either max, proto man or alys for me. i wanted to separate the well written characters with the silent/mascot ones. funny enough, proto is both, imho.
Favorite video game characters. Okay.
1. Kirby (Kirby series) - His cute, he's tough, and he faces nightmare creatures from beyond the pale.
2. Luigi (Mario series) - He's cowardly and clumsy, but better than Mario when he applies himself. See: his jump, poltergust, and Smash Bros. moveset.
3. Zero (Mega Man Zero) - He's fun in the X games, but he makes the Zero series. He doesn't whine or mope-- he takes action even when massively outnumbered and the world is falling apart. When you play as him, you actually feel like you're playing as a legendary warrior. Which is perfect.
4. Musashi - (Brave Fencer Musashi) - A rude kid who wields two legendary swords, is underestimated by everybody, and throws giant mechs through walls. Musashi is a pleasure to play as.
5. Francis York Morgan (Deadly Premonition) - Calm, cool, and collected. He appears to be an oddball, until you get to know him.
6. Classic Sonic (Sonic the Hedgehog series) - I like modern Sonic, too. But the old school Sonic who always has a face for everything instead of a long speech is slightly preferred to me. He's cool, he's cute, and he can mess you up.
7. Guybrush Threepwood (Monkey Island series) - Best point and click protagonist. Has something clever to say about everything.
8. Ratchet (Ratchet & Clank series) - I didn't care for his first appearance, but now I can't imagine playing as anyone else in these games.
9. Link (Wind Waker) - My favorite silent protagonist in any adventure game. His expressions are everything.
10. Sabin (Final Fantasy VI) - Best Final Fantasy character.
Guybrush Threepwood (Monkey Island Series)
James Sunderland (Silent Hill 2)
Big Boss & The Boss (Metal Gear Series)
Ganon (The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker) - by far the best rendition of the character
Leon Kennedy (Resident Evil 2 and 4) - both for different reasons
Top 3 Games For Each Console That I've Played:
NES:
1. Super Mario Bros. 3
2. Ninja Gaiden II: The Dark Sword of Chaos
3. Contra
SNES:
1. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
2. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong-Quest
3. Mega Man X
Sega Genesis:
1. Rocket Knight Adventures
2. Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles
3. Streets of Rage 2
Nintendo 64:
1. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
2. Star Fox 64
3. Banjo-Kazooie
Play Station:
1. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
2. Crash Bandicoot 3: Warped
3. The Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver
Sega Dreamcast:
1. Power Stone 2
2. Soul Calibur
3. Sonic Adventure
Nintendo Gamecube:
1. Resident Evil 4
2. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
3. Soul Calibur II
Play Station 2:
1. Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening
2. Marvel vs. Capcom 2
3. Shinobi
XBOX:
1. Ninja Gaiden Black
2. Halo: Combat Evolved
3. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
XBOX 360:
1. Bayonetta
2. Halo: Reach
3. Alan Wake
PC:
1. F.E.A.R.
2. Max Payne
3. Half-Life 2
*I actually haven't played any of those games on the PC, but since they all originated there, I figured that I should probably mention them.
Ho boy.
NES:
1. Super Mario Bros. 3
2. Contra
3. Mega Man 3
Game Boy:
1. Donkey Kong '94
2. Mega Man V
3. Mega Man IV
Game Boy Color:
1. Wario Land II
2. The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons
3. The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages
Sega Master System:
1. Sonic The Hedgehog
2. Alex Kidd in Shinobi World
3. Fantasy Zone
Sega Game Gear:
1. GG Shinobi
2. Land of Illusion
3. Sonic The Hedgehog: Triple Trouble
Turbografx-16:
1. Castlevania: Rondo of Blood
2. Ys Book I & II
3. Blazing Lazers
SNES:
1. Yoshi's Island
2. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong-Quest
3. Mega Man X
Sega Genesis:
1. Sonic The Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles
2. Shinobi III: Return of the Ninja Master
3. Streets of Rage 2
Neo Geo:
1. Metal Slug 3
2. Metal Slug X
3. Sengoku 3
Sega CD
1. Sonic The Hedgehog CD
2. Popful Mail
3. Final Fight CD
Nintendo 64:
1. Super Smash Bros.
2. Star Fox 64
3. Goemon's Great Adventure
PlayStation:
1. Crash Bandicoot 2: Cortex Strikes Back
2. Brave Fencer Musashi
3. Klonoa: Door to Phantomile
Sega Saturn:
1. NiGHTS Into Dreams
2. Radiant Silvergun
3. Shinobi Legions
Game Boy Advance:
1. Mega Man Zero 3
2. Ninja Five-O
3. Metroid Fusion
Sega Dreamcast:
1. Jet Grind Radio
2. Garou: Mark of the Wolves
3. Power Stone 2
Nintendo Gamecube:
1. Mario Kart: Double Dash!!
2. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
3. Viewtiful Joe
PlayStation 2:
1. Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal
2. Klonoa 2: Lunatea's Veil
3. God Hand
XBOX:
1. Halo: Combat Evolved
2. OutRun 2
3. Jet Set Radio Future
Nintendo DS:
1. Contra 4
2. Henry Hatsworth In The Puzzling Adventure
3. Hotel Dusk
PlayStation Portable:
1. Ys: Oath in Felghana
2. Valkyria Chronicles 2
3. Ys VII
Nintendo Wii:
1. Super Mario Galaxy 2
2. New Super Mario Bros. Wii
3. Kirby's Return to Dreamland
XBOX 360:
1. Halo: Reach
2. Deadly Premonition
3. Alan Wake
PlayStation 3:
1. Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack in Time
2. Valkyria Chronicles
3. Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time
PC:
1. DOOM II
2. Duke Nukem 3D
3. The Secret of Monkey Island
Nintendo 3DS:
1. The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds
2. Kirby: Triple Deluxe
3. Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon
Wii U:
1. Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze
2. The Wonderful 101
3. Super Smash Bros. For Wii U
I challenge anyone to not pick SMB3 as their favorite NES game.
Quote from: talonmalon333 on February 16, 2015, 06:08:39 PM
I challenge anyone to not pick SMB3 as their favorite NES game.
It's hard because it's so good, but I could see someone put something like Mega Man 2 or River City Ransom above it if they prefer more action based and less traditional platformers.
But it's sort of like not picking Pitfall for best Atari 2600 game. You can't really ignore it as one of the best for the system.
SMB3 isn't even my favorite of the NES Mario games...
I just realized my list is basically a top 78 games list. :P
Holy cow. Uh.
NES:
1. Super Mario Bros. 3
2. Mega Man 2
3. Castlevania 3
Game Boy:
1. The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening
2. Donkey Kong '94
3. Pokemon Blue (this is nostalgia, really; haven't played too many original Game Boy games)
Game Boy Color:
1. The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons
2. Metal Gear: Ghost Babel
3. The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages
SNES:
1. Super Metroid
2. Donkey Kong Country 2
3. Yoshi's Island
Sega Genesis:
1. Sonic 3 & Knuckles
2. Gunstar Heroes
3. Comix Zone
Nintendo 64:
1. Banjo-Tooie
2. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
3. Paper Mario
PlayStation:
1. Resident Evil 2
2. Persona 2: Innocent Sin
3. Fear Effect 2
Game Boy Advance:
1. Metroid: Zero Mission
2. Castlevania: Circle of the Moon
3. Advance Wars
Sega Dreamcast:
1. D2
2. Maken X
3. Jet Set Radio
Nintendo GameCube:
1. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
2. Resident Evil 4
3. Resident Evil (remake)
PlayStation 2:
1. Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando
2. God Hand
3. Jak 2
Xbox:
1. Ninja Gaiden Black
2. The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay
3. Halo
Nintendo DS:
1. Contra 4
2. Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey
3. Infinite Space
PlayStation Portable:
1. Valkyria Chronicles 3
2. Crisis Core: Final Fantasy 7
3. Kurohyou: Ryu ga Gotoku Shinshou (Yakuza: Black Panther)
Nintendo Wii:
1. Super Mario Galaxy 2
2. Zero: Tsukihami no Kamen (Fatal Frame 4)
3. No More Heroes
Xbox 360:
1. Ninja Gaiden 2
2. Deadly Premonition
3. Lost Odyssey
PlayStation 3:
1. Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack in Time
2. Yakuza 4
3. Demon's Souls
PC:
1. Deus Ex
2. F.E.A.R.
3. Half-Life (potentially surpassed by Black Mesa)
Nintendo 3DS:
1. The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds
2. Shin Megami Tensei 4
3. Persona Q (I really need to play more 3DS games)
Wii U:
1. Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze
2. Bayonetta 2
3. The Wonderful 101
Multi-platform (i.e. not eventual ports or remasters):
1. Nier
2. Saints Row 4
3. Mass Effect 2
Whew.
Great choices! Valkyria Chronicles 3 looked so good that I was annoyed they never released it over here, and now it looks like the series is done.
Oh well, hopefully Code Name STEAM will pick up the slack on it.
Quote from: Foggle on February 16, 2015, 07:27:17 PM
Game Boy:
1. The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening
2. Donkey Kong '94
3. Pokemon Blue (this is nostalgia, really; haven't played too many original Game Boy games)
I highly recommend Mega Man IV and V for the Game Boy. They're top notch platformers. (Also on the eshop!)
Quote from: Foggle on February 16, 2015, 07:27:17 PMNintendo 3DS:
1. The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds
2. Shin Megami Tensei 4
3. Persona Q (I really need to play more 3DS games)
There's a lot of good stuff out there. Judging by your tastes, you'd really like Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon, Shinobi 3DS, Kid Icarus: Uprising, and Rhythm Thief.
Also, there are some really good DS games you could play on it like Radiant Historia (Best Atlus game), Solatorobo, Aliens Infestation, and Henry Hatsworth. In addition, Space Invader Extreme 2 (thank you for the rec, RSW!) might be the best version of Space Invaders
ever. The DS had a great library.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on February 16, 2015, 07:48:06 PM
Great choices! Valkyria Chronicles 3 looked so good that I was annoyed they never released it over here, and now it looks like the series is done.
Oh well, hopefully Code Name STEAM will pick up the slack on it.
Thanks! I noticed that our lists have a lot of overlap at times. :joy:
Fortunately, there's an English patch for VC3 now (and if you're like me and don't want to hack your PSP to install it, you can watch the story on YouTube), so it's easily playable as an import these days. :)
Eagerly awaiting Code Name STEAM as well. ;)
QuoteI highly recommend Mega Man IV and V for the Game Boy. they're top notch platformers.
Both are on my infinitely lengthy wishlist. Hopefully I will play them someday soon!
Quote from: Foggle on February 16, 2015, 07:27:17 PMThere's a lot of good stuff out there. Judging by your tastes, you'd really like Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon, Shinobi 3DS, Kid Icarus: Uprising, and Rhythm Thief.
Also, there are some really good DS games you could play on it like Radiant Historia (Best Atlus game), Solatorobo, Aliens Infestation, and Henry Hatsworth. In addition, Space Invader Extreme 2 (thank you for the rec, RSW!) might be the best version of Space Invaders ever. The DS had a great library.
Yeah, for sure! Both DSes have awesome libraries, it's just that I get too sidetracked with all the great home console and PC games out there. :sweat:
Great list!
Also, I forgot about handhelds:
Game Boy/Color:
1. The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons/Ages
2. Pokemon Gold/Silver
3. Super Mario Land
Game Boy Advance:
1. Pokemon Fire Red/Leaf Green
2. The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
3. Sonic Advance
Nintendo DS:
1. Ninja Gaiden: Dragon Sword
And....yeah, I haven't really played much of the modern handheld systems, unfortunately. :sweat:
If you get a Wii U, you can download GBA games. I'm sure you'll enjoy the MMZ, Castlevania, and Metroid games a great deal. DS is also apparently coming to the VC there, too.
On another topic I just noticed IGN gave both God Hand and Double Dragon Neon the same score. Do they really have no one there that knows anything about beat em ups? Like, at all? This is about as annoying as journalists that have never played a Genesis game or know what Yoshi's Island is reviewing retro games.
How will DS games be played on the Wii U?
challenge accepted:
1. mega man 2
2. mega man 3
3. mega man 5
i've been wanting to play goemon's great adventure and how is final fight cd?
lol, d2
D2 is one of the best games ever.
I like what I've played of D2, but it's not for everyone.
i just remember hearing about it coming with protection.
nes:
1. mega man 2
2. sweet home
3. mega man 3
gameboy:
1. link's awakening
2. pokemon red/blue
3. super mario land 2
gba:
1. astro boy omega factor
2. mother 3
3. whatever mario advance had smb2
gbc:
1. pokemon gold or silver.
2. oracle of seasons
3. i mostly used this to play gb games so i am drawing a blank
snes:
1. breath of fire 1 and 2
2. tmnt 4
3. i think those are literally the only snes games i beat/help beat
genesis:
1. streets of rage 2
2. gunstar heroes
3. phantasy star 4
note: i admit i currently don't like sonic 2 as much as i used to and i need a replay to confirm it and hard corps hasn't been played in a long time. anyway, the top 3 is interchangable with gunstar being at 2 due to my current mood and how extremely fun it is to play with my baby bro. ps4 may be what i consider the best genesis game i have played when it comes to having lack of flaws.
i have never beaten a dc or psp game so pass.
ps1:
1. castlevania sotn
2. einhander - always been 1 but it's 2 here due to how long it has been since i played it.
3. tomba!
n64:
1. super smash bros.
2. perfect dark...probably the only n64 games i have beat.
ps2:
1. devil may cry
2. dmc3
3. mgs3, easily my favorite 3d console
xbox:
1. ninja gaiden
2. halo
3. halo 2. i don't remember
ps3
1. mgs4
2. a crack in time
360:
1. ninja gaiden ii
2. 360 soul calibur iv
3. gears of war
pc:
1. max payne
2. doom 2
3. half-life
multi-plat, no order:
ssx tricky
the warriors, xbox/ps2
soul calibur 2
Quote from: gunswordfist on February 17, 2015, 03:05:09 AM
challenge accepted:
1. mega man 2
2. mega man 3
3. mega man 5
i've been wanting to play goemon's great adventure and how is final fight cd?
It's a really good port of the arcade game with an awesome soundtrack.
Quote from: talonmalon333 on February 16, 2015, 10:27:16 PM
How will DS games be played on the Wii U?
What I meant here is, how will they make the two screens work on a home console? I suppose they could easily work something out with the Wii U's tablet. However, a good chunk of games on the original DS put the action on the touch screen. So on the Wii U, you'd be doing everything on the tablet, effectively still playing the games like a handheld.
I'm going to redo my XBOX360 list:
1. Halo: Reach
2. Alan Wake
3. Ninja Gaiden 2
Multi-Plat:
1. Bayonetta
2. Super Street Fighter IV
3. Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance
Also, I'll redo PC:
1. F.E.A.R.
2. Max Payne
3. Star Wars: Jedi Knight II - Jedi Outcast
so it has guy? awesome.
does anyone know how good the 360 version of final fight is? it's bundled up with some other game.
gamecube:
super smash bros. melee
arcade:
jurassic park lost world
Arcade:
1. Sunset Riders
2. House of the Dead 2
3. Garou: Mark of the Wolves
i never beat either hotd, otherwise, it would be there.
The XBLA port is arcade perfect. It also includes Magic Sword. I don't have it on PSN so I can't check it out, but I think Speedy can tell you if it has Online-only DRM like Bionic Commando ReArmed had. That is, if he comes back. No idea why he left.
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on February 17, 2015, 05:15:36 PM
Arcade:
1. Sunset Riders
2. House of the Dead 2
3. Garou: Mark of the Wolves
:swoon:
Arcade games are so hard to rank, really. There's just so many good ones to choose from.
there is! that reminds me.
arcade:
1. metal slug 3
2. metal slug 2
3. metal slug
It took a few hours, but I've finally managed to get the Fatal Frame 4 English patch to work on my Wii U! Glorious HDMI horror. :swoon:
Got that Nintendont thing working too. Killer7 and Viewtiful Joe look gorgeous through HDMI.
Now if only there was a way to use my GameCube controller with Wii VC games...
Nier songs are coming to Theatrhythm. (http://www.gonintendo.com/s/247687-rumor-next-round-of-theatrhythm-final-fantasy-curtain-call-dlc-revealed)
Joining Secret of Mana, LIVE A LIVE, and Chrono Trigger tracks as DLC. Give me some Brave Fencer Musashi and I don't know what I'll do.
Looks like I'm finally going to have to stop stalling on picking this up.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on February 19, 2015, 07:53:10 PM
Nier songs are coming to Theatrhythm. (http://www.gonintendo.com/s/247687-rumor-next-round-of-theatrhythm-final-fantasy-curtain-call-dlc-revealed)
Brilliant!
I still haven't done this? lol
NES:
1. Super Mario Bros. 3
2. Mega Man 2
3. DuckTales
Game Boy:
1. The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening
2. Pokemon Blue/Red
3. Super Mario Land
Genesis:
1. Sonic 3 & Knuckles
2. Sonic the Hedgehog 2
3. Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine (I haven't played too many Genesis games, as you can tell)
SNES:
1. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
2. Chrono Trigger
3. Super Metroid
PS1:
1. Metal Gear Solid
2. Final Fantasy IX
3. Vagrant Story
N64:
1. Star Fox 64
2. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
3. Paper Mario
GBC:
1. The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons
2. Pokemon Gold/Silver
3. Mario Tennis
GBA:
1. WarioWare Inc. Mega Microgames!
2. Fire Emblem
3. Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
X-Box:
1. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
2. Ninja Gaiden
3. Halo: Combat Evolved
Gamecube:
1. Animal Crossing
2. Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year-Door
3. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
Wii:
1. Super Mario Galaxy 2
2. Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition
3. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Nice list!
Be sure to give Ristar, Gunstar Heroes, Shinobi III, and Rocket Knight Adventures a go if you're ever looking for more Genesis games.
Gunstar Heroes is my #1 pick to buy from the VC the next chance I get. The others are pretty high on there, as well.
But yeah, I only ever really got to play Sonic and licensed games when I had a Genesis. If it didn't blow out, I would have tried my best to make a better collection for it in the past few years.
The Disney games on the Genesis are pretty good, too. The Illusion games, Quack Shot, and Aladdin are well worth the play-through.
I actually did have Aladdin! I remember liking it more than the Jungle Book game I also had, but I sadly lost both.
Although I do have the SNES version of Aladdin, just ready for me to try out. Some day, I will!
NES
1. Super Mario Bros. 3
2. Mega Man 2
3. Castlevania: Dracula's Curse
Sega Genesis
1. Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles
2. Sonic the Hedgehog 2
3. Golden Axe
SNES
1. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
2. Chrono Trigger
3. Super Metroid
PS1
1. Resident Evil/Resident Evil 2
2. Metal Gear Solid
3. Final Fantasy VII
N64
1. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
2. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
3. Paper Mario
DC
1. Marvel vs. Capcom 2
2. Resident Evil Code: Veronica
3. Sonic Adventure 2
PS2
1. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
2. Silent Hill 2
3. Okami
GCN
1. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker/Twilight Princess
2. Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
3. Resident Evil 4
Wii
1. Super Mario Galaxy 2
2. Super Mario Galaxy
3. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
I don't get much spare time, and I'm wasting sone of it here to make another list, this time A-to-Z style like with the animation list, just because it's fun:
A: Alan Wake
B: Bayonetta
C: Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
D: Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong-Quest
E: Earthworm Jim
F: F.E.A.R.
G: Garou: Mark of the Wolves
H: Halo: Combat Evolved
I: Ikaruga
J: Jet Set Radio Future
K: Kirby Superstar
L: The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
M: Max Payne
N: Ninja Gaiden Black
O: Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath
P: Pokemon: Gold/Silver
Q: Quake (I've only played a little, it's a stretch)
R: Resident Evil 4
S: Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles
T: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV: Turtles In Time
U: Ultimate Marvel Vs. Capcom 3
V: Vanquish
W: Wario Land
X: X-Men Arcade
Y: Yoshi's Island
Z: Zone of the Enders 2 (I've only played some of this, so it's a stretch)
Cool list!
Everyone's favorite Video Game lists on this board always makes me want to play more stuff, but I just can never find the time to do so. I don't think I played more than one or two games tops last year...
I actually haven't been playing any new games, lately.
The most recent one that I've played in terms of release date is MGRR, which is already 2 years old.
A: Ape Escape 3
B: Brave Fencer Musashi
C: Contra
D: Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong-Quest / Tropical Freeze
E: Earthbound
F: Fantasy Zone
G: Garou: Mark of the Wolves
H: Halo: Combat Evolved
I: In The Hunt
J: Jet Grind Radio
K: Kirby's Return to Dreamland
L: The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
M: Mega Man X
N: New Super Mario Bros. U
O: OutRun 2
P: PaRappa the Rapper
Q: Quackshot Starring Donald Duck
R: Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack in Time
S: Super Mario Bros. 3 / Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles (Can't leave either out)
T: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV: Turtles In Time
U: Undercover Cops (Arcade)
V: Vendetta / Violent Storm
W: The Wonderful 101
X: X-Com (old)
Y: Yoshi's Island
Z: Zombies Ate My Neighbors
That was fairly challenging.
Astro Boy Omega Factor
Battleblock Theater
Castlevania SOTN
Doom II
Einhander or Earthbound
Far Cry 2 Blood Dragon
Gunstar Heroes
Hitman
Not a big list person, but I did a top 50 for NHC:
http://www.nohomers.net/showthread.php?107497-NHC-Top-100-Video-Games&p=3554272&viewfull=1#post3554272
Quote50 - Super Metroid (Super Nintendo) (1994)
49 - Super Mario Bros. 3 (Nintendo) (1990)
48 - The Legend of Zelda: A Link To The Past (SNES) (1992)
47 - Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV - Turtles in Time (SNES) (1992)
46 - Gunstar Heroes (Genesis) (1993)
45 - Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (SNES) (1995)
44 - Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze (Wii U) (2014)
43 - Super Mario World (SNES) (1991)
42 - Tetris (Game Boy) (1989)*
41 - The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of TIme (Nintendo 64) (1998)
40 - Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest (SNES) (1995)
39 - Jet Set Radio Future (Xbox) (2002)
38 - Super Smash Bros. Melee (GameCube) (2001)
37 - Grand Theft Auto V (PlayStation 4) (2014)
36 - Shatterhand (NES) (1991)
35 - Super C (NES) (1990)
34 - The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (N64) (2000)
33 - Super Castlevania IV (SNES) (1992)
32 - Einhander (PlayStation) (1998)
31 - Donkey Kong (Game Boy) (1994)
30 - Bangai-O (Dreamcast) (2001)
29 - Super Mario Galaxy 2 (Wii) (2010)
28 - Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles (Genesis) (1994)
27 - Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door (GameCube) (2005)
26 - Parappa The Rapper (PlayStation) (1997)
25 - Sweet Home (Family Computer) (1989)
24 - Halo: Combat Evolved (Xbox) (2001)
23 - Contra III: The Alien Wars (SNES) (1992)
22 - F-Zero GX (GameCube) (2003)
21 - Pokemon HeartGold/SoulSilver (Nintendo DS) (2010)
20 - Yar's Revenge (Atari 2600) (1982)
19 - Perfect Dark (N64) (2000)
18 - Crash Bandicoot 2: Cortex Strikes Back (PlayStation) (1997)
17 - Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 (Dreamcast) (2000)
16 - Metal Gear Solid (PlayStation) (1998)
15 - Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (PlayStation 2) (2002)
14 - SoulCaliber (Dreamcast) (1999)
13 - Street Fighter II (SNES) (1992)
12 - Spyro 2: Ripto's Rage! (PlayStation) (1999)
11 - Mega Man 2 (NES) (1989)
10 - Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III: The Manhattan Project (NES) (1992)
9 - Resident Evil 4 (GameCube) (2005)
8 - Kirby Super Star (SNES) (1996)
7 - Mortal Kombat II (SNES) (1994)
6 - Sin and Punishment 2: Star Successor (Wii) (2009)
5 - Punchout! (Wii) (2009)
4 - Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom: Ultimate All Stars (Wii) (2008)
3 - Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (Xbox) (2003)
2 - Psychonauts (Xbox) (2005)
1 - Pitfall! (Atari 2600) (1982)
The format is wonky, so 50 (Super Metroid) is my top pick whereas 1 (Pitfall!) is the bottom pick.
Another Sweet Home, JSRF and Einhander fan, sweet!
I'll try to finish my list:
Astro Boy Omega Factor
Breath Of Fire 1 and 2
Castlevania SOTN
Doom II
Einhander or Earthbound
Far Cry 3 Blood Dragon
Gunstar Heroes
Halo CE
I
Jet Grind Radio Future
K
Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening
Mega Man 2
Ninja Gaiden
O
Pokemon Blue/Red
Q
Rayman Origins
Streets Of Rage Remake
Tomba!
U
Vigilante 8 2nd Offense
Warriors, The (Xbox)
X-Men Arcade
Y
Z
So, NeoGAF compiled a list of the top games of generation 6 in various categories: http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1001534&page=1
Now, NG is a site with lots of annoying fanboys and ridiculous discussions, but I do tend to browse it for a good laugh. That said, surprisingly enough, I can't fault many of these choices based on user votes.
Compared to what a big gaming site or publication might go for, we get lots of love for actual great games.
Ninja Gaiden is ranked as the best action game of the generation (and DMC3 right behind it), which I absolutely agree with. Plus, games like God Hand, FEAR, and JSRF are recognized within their own genres. Also, RE4 is ranked as the overall greatest game of that generation, which I can totally get behind. Overall, it's a surprisingly solid set of lists, IMO. Sure, there are things to nitpick, but at least most stuff on there actually deserves that level of praise.
Quote4. Shadow of the Colossus (PlayStation 2)
Give me a break. This is worse because ICO is 26th. These games are not that good, and none of the comments for them gave any reason as to their ranking. If you like them, then fine, but on a best-of list I'd like a reason beyond "magic!" as to
why.
Quote20. Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door (Gamecube)
This should be in its place.
Otherwise I have no problem with the top 25.
However . . .
QuotePlatforming
1. Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy (PlayStation 2)
2. Super Mario Sunshine (Gamecube)
3. Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal (PlayStation 2)
4. Psychonauts (PC, PlayStation 2, Xbox)
5. Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando (PlayStation 2)
6. Sonic Adventure 2 (Dreamcast, Gamecube)
7. Jak II (PlayStation 2)
8. Sly 2: Band of Thieves (PlayStation 2)
9. Jak 3 (PlayStation 2)
10. Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat (Gamecube)
What in the world happened here? If Super Mario Sunshine is the second best platformer of the generation, it must have been a pretty poor generation for platformers.
How about:
Ape Escape 3, Klonoa 2: Lunatea's Veil, Maximo: Ghosts to Glory, Rayman 2: The Great Escape, Castlevania: Circle of the Moon, Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow, Mario vs. Donkey Kong, Mega Man Zero 2, Mega Man Zero 3, Ninja Five-O, Sonic Advance, or Wario Land 4?
Surely at least some of those are better than the likes of Super Mario Sunshine, Sly 2, Jak 3, Psychonauts, Jungle Beat, or Sonic Adventure 2? I'm not saying those are bad games, but none of them are what I would call the best of the generation.
Ico is a pretty damn good game, actually. I'm not keen on Shadow of the Colossus, but I'm sure it's also great if you can get past the control scheme.
I find it kind of insulting that Sunshine is considered better than any Ratchet & Clank, and that Sonic Adventure 2 is considered good better than Jak 2, but eh. Their list, not mine.
Of course, it's all taste. The problem when it comes to Ueda games is that suddenly gamers get stupid in actually explaining what they like about them. I enjoyed ICO. Great game? Not quite. Good game? Yeah. Best of the generation? No way. There are too many great games for an enjoyable game that doesn't do anything perfectly to rank above them.
Out of curiosity, what would you rate as the top 25 games of the generation? If you were in charge of such a list, I mean.
I'm more surprised that FFX is the highest ranked RPG on that list. Even a lot of GAF members seemed baffled as to how that happened. In the comments, mist people seem to feel that Deus Ex should have been higher, and that if any PS2 FF game should be on the list, it should be XII, but a lot of commenters also apparently didn't vote for the list.
I'm also surprised to see people complaining about The Wind Waker being so high. That game is amazing. It deservesto have that ranking.
At any rate, I don't agree with everything on there, but I can also hardly complain when they surprisingly got so many things right, IMO. That action games list is pretty damn spot-on, for example. I'm also pleased with FEAR being considered as both one of the best FPS games as well as one of the best horror games of that generation.
I just thought Ico had some pretty sweet puzzle design, great artwork, and an interesting minimalist story. I wouldn't put it in my top 25, but I wouldn't blame someone for doing so. Can't really comment on SotC.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on March 02, 2015, 09:29:02 PM
Out of curiosity, what would you rate as the top 25 games of the generation? If you were in charge of such a list, I mean.
Sure, as long as you do it too. ;) I'm a biased mofo, but I'll try to be somewhat objective instead of just putting all 4 Ratchet & Clank games at the top. :P
1. Resident Evil 4
2. Deus Ex
3. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
4. Ninja Gaiden Black
5. Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal
6. Metroid Prime
7. Resident Evil (Remake)
8. Max Payne
9. Silent Hill 2
10. Half-Life 2
11. Devil May Cry 3
12. Thief 2
13. Silent Hill 3
14. God Hand
15. Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando
16. Jak & Daxter
17. Fatal Frame 2
18. Viewtiful Joe
19. No One Lives Forever 2
20. F.E.A.R.
21. Jak 2
22. Star Wars: Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast
23. Killer7
24. Halo
25. Ratchet & Clank
There are still quite a few notable games I haven't played from it, mind. It was a good generation.
To be honest, I couldn't make such a list myself because I haven't played enough games from the RPG, horror, and platformer genres of that gen, so I could only really focus on action and FPS.
That said, a lot of choices seem pretty legit based on what you guys like, such as Persona 4 being ranked really high, for example. There's also MGS3 being really high, which I know is a fan favorite over here.
I somehow missed the entire RPG genre, MGS3, and Yakuza 2 on the top 25 I just posted. I think GAF did a better job than me! :lol:
Honestly, that generation is just really hard to rank. Every system (including PC and handhelds) had such an excellent lineup of exclusives even before factoring in all the multiplatform stuff. It was a good time to play video games. :)
Quote from: Foggle on March 02, 2015, 09:42:11 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on March 02, 2015, 09:29:02 PM
Out of curiosity, what would you rate as the top 25 games of the generation? If you were in charge of such a list, I mean.
Sure, as long as you do it too. ;)
K. I'll try.
1. Resident Evil 4
2. Deus Ex
3. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
4. Ninja Gaiden Black
5. Halo: Combat Evolved
6. Metroid Prime
7. Max Payne
8. Silent Hill 2
9. Half-Life 2
10. Jak & Daxter: The Precursor Legacy
11. Soul Calibur
12. OutRun 2
13. Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
14. God Hand
15. Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal
16. Viewtiful Joe
17. Devil May Cry 3
18. Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence
19. Garou: Mark of the Wolves
20. F.E.A.R.
21. Jet Grind Radio
22. Suikoden V
23. Killer7
24. Mario Kart: Double Dash!!
25. Persona 4
Bonus:
Platforming
1. Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy (PlayStation 2)
2. Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal (PlayStation 2)
3. Mega Man Zero 3 (Game Boy Advance)
4. Klonoa 2: Lunatea's Veil (PlayStation 2)
5. Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando (PlayStation 2)
6. Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow (Game Boy Advance)
7. Mega Man Zero 2 (Game Boy Advance)
8. Maximo: Ghosts to Glory (PlayStation 2)
9. Castlevania: Circle of the Moon (Game Boy Advance)
10. Jak II (PlayStation 2)
I thought most people considered Ico to be superior to Shadow of the Colossus?
I liked what I've played of Ico, but SOTC doesn't seem like my kind of game, tbh.
The fact that both of you guys have NGB in your top 4 makes your lists automatically super credible. :joy:
And it looks like everyone can agree that, whether a personal favorite or not, RE4 does deserve to be called the best overall game of the generation.
As for SOTC, I remember back on TZ someone telling me that NG was all flash and little substance and that SOTC was one of the best action games ever. I laughed....
Yeah, needless to say, that's when I stopped taking that site seriously when it came to opinions on video games. I had already stopped taking their opinions on actual cartoons seriously long before that.
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on March 02, 2015, 10:09:59 PM
The fact that both of you guys have NGB in your top 4 makes your lists automatically super credible. :joy:
And it looks like everyone can agree that, whether a personal favorite or not, RE4 does deserve to be called the best overall game of the generation.
I was trying to make it more on achievement balanced with quality, but yeah, Resident Evil 4 really did a lot and did it well.
I don't think that I could make a list, really, but RE4 would have to be my #1, as well. It really is a one of a kind experience.
That generation also signaled the end of some classic series like Gradius and R-Type. If it wasn't for digital download I can't imagine how many more would have died off last gen.
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on March 02, 2015, 10:09:59 PMAs for SOTC, I remember back on TZ someone telling me that NG was all flash and little substance and that SOTC was one of the best action games ever. I laughed....
I remember that. I also remember he couldn't formulate a reason as to why.
I don't really miss posting there.
We have the same top 4! :o
Actually, looking back at the GAF lists, since they took the trouble of making separate lists for action and action-adventure, I do have to question why JSRF and JGR are on the former rather than the latter. Hack n' slash and beat 'em up games make enough sense, but the Jet Grind games have very little physical action and are more like platformers with action aspects in them. At the very least, they seem more appropriate for the action-adventure category than just for pure action.
It's also weird that they put F.E.A.R. on the horror list rather than the FPS list...
Personally, I believe that it should qualify for both. It is still a horror themed game.
I agree, but it's a much better FPS than it is a horror game IMO.
I'll make a list later but I have to say that no list of action games from Gen 6 should ever lack Max Payne 2. That game doesn't get enough love. I know MP1 is better but it's still one of the top 5 greatest TPSes of all time.
Max Payne 2 was ranked as the best shooter of the generation on the GAF list. They simply put it in a different category than the non-shooter action games.
*sighs* I knew me not looking at the list would make me look stupid. lol
Here's what my personal list would look like:
1. Ninja Gaiden Black
2. Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening
3. Resident Evil 4
4. Max Payne
5. F.E.A.R.
6. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
7. Halo: Combat Evolved
8. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
9. Half-Life 2
10. Jet Set Radio Future
For action games or just your personal top 10? :)
Well, it is my personal top 10, but I guess it just goes to show how biased I am for action games. :D
Yeah, JSRF is the only entry that made me think it wasn't just a 3D action list. :D
Ok, my 3D Action list, limited to one game per franchise to make it interesting:
1. MGS IV
2. Devil May Cry
3. Max Payne
4. Doom II
5. Halo CE
6. Ninja Gaiden
7. Bayonetta
8. Bulletstorm
9. Far Cry 3: Blood Dragon
10. Half-Life
Well, I was limiting myself to only games from Gen VI, but if we can count any action games, then my list would look very different.
Anyways, great list, GSF.
Oh yeah, I forgot that part. :sweat:
Any Sonic fans play this? (http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/03/freedom_planet_bringing_its_brand_of_sonic-style_action_to_wii_u)
Looks fun.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on March 09, 2015, 12:06:55 PM
Any Sonic fans play this? (http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/03/freedom_planet_bringing_its_brand_of_sonic-style_action_to_wii_u)
Looks fun.
MMMMMMMMMMMMMayyyyyyyyybeeeeeeeeeee. (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB1IauY3Nj5ktZuh2dy7hq-O_kjZ0pH-l)
Freedom Planet's great. I remember when MegaGWolf focused on it a few years back, and it was still technically a Sonic fan game. Shortly after that they started the kickstarter to make it its own separate entity.
Quote from: Lord Dalek on March 09, 2015, 12:16:35 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on March 09, 2015, 12:06:55 PM
Any Sonic fans play this? (http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/03/freedom_planet_bringing_its_brand_of_sonic-style_action_to_wii_u)
Looks fun.
MMMMMMMMMMMMMayyyyyyyyybeeeeeeeeeee. (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB1IauY3Nj5ktZuh2dy7hq-O_kjZ0pH-l)
Whoa, cool. Something to watch!
I remember seeing screenshots of that on indiedb or whatever. It looks like the first Vectorman boss is at 1:18 and I like the amount of humanoid bosses. I have to get this for PC one day.
I just learned there is a Contra timeline.
:hayguyz:
For what reason I have no idea. No one plays these games for the story. Still, it is funny to see that even a series like Contra has a timeline.
Contra Force (though this might as well be non-canon)
Hard Corps. Uprising
Contra
Super C
Operation C
Contra III: The Alien Wars
Contra 4
Contra Hard Corps.
Legacy of War (non-canon)
C: The Contra Adventure (non-canon)
Shattered Soldier
Neo Contra
Contra ReBirth (This game includes a lot of time travel. So who knows what exactly this does to the timeline?)
Weird stuff.
"What the hell" at Hard Corps after Contra 4. ???
Yes, it's no longer a prequel to the series. It happens the same year as Contra 4, apparently, in another part of the world. Which I guess explains why no one in either game crosses over to the other.
I just assumed it came after 3. But then again I used to think Zelda and Castlevania's storyline were in their game releases until like a few years ago...
Quote from: gunswordfist on March 17, 2015, 06:40:51 PM
I just assumed it came after 3. But then again I used to think Zelda and Castlevania's storyline were in their game releases until like a few years ago...
I dunno, Contra's story has always been hard to piece together. Especially with the whole Mad Dog and Scorpion, and Jimbo and Sully nonsense.
The aliens first pop up at the end of Uprising, and are defeated for good in III with the last remaining forces (from Operation C) wiped out in 4. Hard Corps is the first game to deal with purely terrestrial threats which every game afterwards does except ReBirth. But then ReBirth has time travel so I have no idea what's going on there.
Jesus..what. O.o It's like you spent the whole post speaking a foreign language to me. lol But I'm pretty sure I thought every game had aliens. And this reminds me that I need to get Uprising.
The latter games are biological experiments. It's convoluted, but I guess it is what it is.
And yes, you should at least play the demo for Uprising. I'm sure you'll like it.
I did. I thought it was alright.
Favorite Games From Various Developers:
Platinum Games- Bayonetta
Team Ninja- Ninja Gaiden Black
Bungie- Halo: Combat Evolved
Monolith- F.E.A.R.
Valve- Half-Life 2
Rare- Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong-Quest
Remedy- Max Payne
Free Radical- TimeSplitters 2
Game Freak- Pokemon Gold/Silver
SNK- Garou: Mark of the Wolves
BioWare- Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
Sonic Team- Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles
Hal Laboratory- Kirby Superstar
Nintendo EAD- Yoshi's Island
SquareSoft- Chrono Trigger
I'll add more when I think of them.
Also, Top 10 Capcom Games:
1. Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening
2. Resident Evil 4
3. Mega Man X
4. Power Stone 2
5. Super Street Fighter IV
6. DuckTales
7. Marvel vs. Capcom 2
8. Devil May Cry
9. Aladdin (SNES)
10. Mega Man 9
Looks like EK forgot how to count again:
Favorite Games From Various Developers:
Platinum Games- Bayonetta
Team Ninja- Ninja Gaiden
Bungie- Halo: Combat Evolved
Monolith- Condemned 2
Valve- Half-Life
Rare- Perfect Dark
Remedy- Max Payne
Free Radical- TimeSplitters 2
Game Freak- Pokemon Gold/Silver
SNK- Metal Slug 3
BioWare- Mass Effect 2
Sonic Team- Sonic 2
Hal Laboratory- Super Smash Bros. Melee
Nintendo EAD- Super Mario Bros. 2??
SquareSoft- Einhander
Kojima Productions - Metal Gear Solid IV: Guns Of The Partriots
Treasure - Gunstar Heroes or Astro Boy Omega Factor
Ubisoft - Rayman Origins
Konami - Castlevania SOTN or Contra Hard Corps, again, it's been awhile for the latter.
Capcom - Devil May Cry
ID - Doom II
Also, Top 10 Capcom Games:
1. Devil May Cry
2. Devil May Cry 3
3. Mega Man 2
4. Mega Man 3
5. Sweet Home
6. Mega Man 5 (Haven't beat 7, Zero or X yet)
7. Devil May Cry 4
8. Street Fighter 3 and Super Street fighter IV
9. Super Puzzle Fighter II HD Turbo Remix
10. Resident Evil 3 (Never played 4. Never finished 2)
How exactly did I forget how to count?
You counted to two before you edited.
I haven't beat most of the game on your list.
That's called accidentally hitting the post button before I finished writing. :sweat:
:D
Okay, I'll give it a try.
Favorite Games From Various Developers:
Platinum Games - Wonderful 101
Team Ninja - Ninja Gaiden II
Bungie - Halo: Combat Evolved
Monolith - F.E.A.R.
Valve - Half-Life 2
Rare - Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong-Quest
Remedy - Max Payne
Free Radical - TimeSplitters: Future Perfect
Game Freak - Pulseman
SNK - Metal Slug 3
Sonic Team - Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles
Hal Laboratory - Kirby's Return to Dreamland
Nintendo EAD - Super Mario Galaxy 2
SquareSoft - Brave Fencer Musashi
Treasure - Gunstar Heroes
Ubisoft - Rayman Legends
Konami - Contra (NES)
Capcom - Mega Man X
ID - Doom II
Retro Studios - Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze
Good Feel - Wario Land: Shake It!
Sega - OutRun 2
WayForward - Contra 4
Top 10 Capcom Games:
1. Mega Man X
2. Mega Man 3
3. Mega Man 9
4. Rival Schools: United By Fate
5. Battle Circuit
6. Mega Man Zero 3
7. Viewtiful Joe
8. Final Fight 3
9. Maximo: Ghosts to Glory
10. God Hand / DuckTales
So....I take it that maybe you're a Mega Man fan. :sly:
How is DuckTales not a top 10 for you, though? :huh:
It was. I think I accidentally lost it in my writing. :sweat:
I'll tie it with God Hand.
I have never played DuckTales myself.
Quote from: gunswordfist on March 18, 2015, 08:34:39 PM
I have never played DuckTales myself.
Not even Remastered?
Just the demo.
Top 10 Sega Published Games:
1. Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles
2. Bayonetta
3. Sonic the Hedgehog 2
4. Jet Set Radio Future
5. Vanquish
6. Sega Soccer Slam
7. Sonic Adventure
8. Shinobi (PS2)
9. Streets of Rage 2
10. Jet Grind Radio
If we're just doing Sega publishing in general, this might be too difficult.
1. Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles
2. Shinobi III: Return of the Ninja Master
3. OutRun 2
4. Streets of Rage 2
5. Gunstar Heroes
6. Sonic the Hedgehog CD
7. Golden Axe: Revenge of Death Adder
8. Fantasy Zone
9. Jet Grind Radio
10. House of the Dead: Overkill / Ristar
Is it true that the original DuckTales is better than the remake?
Quote from: talonmalon333 on March 19, 2015, 10:51:44 AM
Is it true that the original DuckTales is better than the remake?
No, only purists say otherwise. It plays exactly the same only with longer stages.
Whether you prefer one or the other is up to you, but it does nothing worse than the NES game.
Best Namco games
1. Klonoa (PS1/Wii)
2. Klonoa 2 (PS2)
3. Soul Calibur
4. Point Blank
5. Rolling Thunder 3
6. Pac-Man Championship Edition DX
7. Rolling Thunder 2
8. Soul Calibur 2
9. Retro Game Challenge
10. Time Crisis 2
Best SNK games
1. Metal Slug 3
2. Garou: Mark of the Wolves
3. Sengoku 3
4. Metal Slug X
5. Last Blade 2
6. Real Bout Fatal Fury Special
7. Shock Troopers
8. King of Fighters '98
9. Samurai Shodown 2
10. Ninja Commando
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on March 19, 2015, 07:18:12 PM
Quote from: talonmalon333 on March 19, 2015, 10:51:44 AM
Is it true that the original DuckTales is better than the remake?
No, only purists say otherwise. It plays exactly the same only with longer stages.
Whether you prefer one or the other is up to you, but it does nothing worse than the NES game.
I haven't played the remake but I have seen the Happy Game Nerd's review of it. I can't judge the remake but some of the things he mentioned, such as every level being turned into a fetch quest, do sound a bit tiring. Again, though, I can't judge it.
Quote from: talonmalon333 on March 19, 2015, 09:10:50 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on March 19, 2015, 07:18:12 PM
Quote from: talonmalon333 on March 19, 2015, 10:51:44 AM
Is it true that the original DuckTales is better than the remake?
No, only purists say otherwise. It plays exactly the same only with longer stages.
Whether you prefer one or the other is up to you, but it does nothing worse than the NES game.
I haven't played the remake but I have seen the Happy Game Nerd's review of it. I can't judge the remake but some of the things he mentioned, such as every level being turned into a fetch quest, do sound a bit tiring. Again, though, I can't judge it.
It's purist nitpicking. If you play DuckTales without exploring the whole level, you're playing the game wrong. The things you collect is to encourage exploration for players who might not otherwise do it. If you play like I do, in other words getting 100% treasure in every level, it's a complete non-issue.
To be honest, sometimes Derek can be overly harsh about good games and has a tendency to nitpick about things that aren't even problems. If you remember the Chip n Dale review he went on about the sound effect for collecting flowers like it was ear-splittingly bad and a real problem with the game. I never had a problem with it and I've played the game quite a bit over twenty years now.
DuckTales Remastered is DuckTales NES with new graphics, remixed music, and longer levels. It just depends on what you prefer to play when choosing between the two. It doesn't do anything bad whatsoever.
While I can respect the HVGN's opinion, he isn't on-point about everything. Like, he says that Shinobi on the PS2 is garbage, which is a load of shit because it's a good game despite not being designed like the 2D classics.
Other times he can overrate some games, such as Ninja Warriors, which is certainly a good beat-em-up, but not nearly as advanced or stand-out as he made it seem. His insistence on calling the combat "deep" was also a huge stretch, IMO.
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on March 19, 2015, 09:41:27 PM
Other times he can overrate some games, such as Ninja Warriors, which is certainly a good beat-em-up, but not nearly as advanced or stand-out as he made it seem. His insistence on calling the combat "deep" was also a huge stretch, IMO.
Despite being a big fan of his work, and being sad that he has slowed down so much lately, I certainly agree. In particular, I think he laid it on way too thick in the intro to his EarthBound video.
He has his biases, of course. Ninja Warriors is a good game but it's no masterpiece.
Also his ridiculous hate over StarTropics 2 is silly. Is it perfect? No. But it's not a bad game by any stretch. And it's not as horrendously unbalanced as the first game, which he had no problem glossing over in his praise.
Nintendolife's got a feature on N64 wrestling games! (http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/03/feature_the_best_pro_wrestling_games_that_the_n64_has_to_offer)
Back when the genre was still top notch. Acclaim aside.
God, No Mercy was such a good game. The only wrestling game that I've heard good things about since then is Raw vs. Smackdown 2006, but overall none of the modern ones even come close to No Mercy.
You can see AKI's progression through each game they made. From World Tour to Revenge to Wrestlemania 2000 to No Mercy (and the VPW games in Japan) they only got better. And they started great on top of it.
Then for some reason they were dropped for Yukes and we never saw another wrestling game from them outside of gimmick games like Ultimate Muscle and Def Jam Vendetta. It was such a tragedy that a quality developer making critically and financially successful games were dropped for literally no reason.
I could be wrong, but I believe it had more to do with THQ's bad decision-making rather than the WWE's. I don't remember exactly where I read about that, though.
The thing is, they stuck with them through two generations of declining sales until bankruptcy hit THQ and we lost any hope of getting them back.
I keep hoping that since Nintendo works with AKI (now SynSophia) I keep hoping they're going to task them with a Pro Wrestling game and use the old franchise at the same time. It would be one of the most anticipated games ever if that were the case.
http://www.gonintendo.com/s/250408-fan-combining-super-metroid-and-metroid-fusion (http://www.gonintendo.com/s/250408-fan-combining-super-metroid-and-metroid-fusion)
Pretty cool!
Speaking of which, I'm way excited for this: http://metroid2remake.blogspot.com/
I played the demo and it was almost Nintendo quality. Can't wait!
I know Nintendo wants everyone to buy the new 3DS versions, but do you guys think there's any chance of Star Fox 64 and OoT/MM being released on the Wii U VC? I'd much rather play those games on my TV.
Quote from: Foggle on April 03, 2015, 04:56:34 PM
I know Nintendo wants everyone to buy the new 3DS versions, but do you guys think there's any chance of Star Fox 64 and OoT/MM being released on the Wii U VC? I'd much rather play those games on my TV.
Yes.
They already did this with Kirby Super Star last generation. The VC release came not long after the DS game.
Hooray! :joy: I was worried they were going to just push the remakes over the original.
Then again, both versions versions of Mario 2 US, Metroid 1, and Kirby's Adventure are on the eShop, so I guess there was no cause for concern.
Not to mention that those are 3DS games and the Wii U versions would not be playable on those systems. I assume that was why Kirby had no issue.
Quote from: Foggle on April 03, 2015, 04:46:43 PM
Pretty cool!
Speaking of which, I'm way excited for this: http://metroid2remake.blogspot.com/
I played the demo and it was almost Nintendo quality. Can't wait!
Sweet! I've been waiting for this game. Will play the demo. :thumbup:
All those games, despite having remakes, should forever remain playable in their original design, if only for their place in video game history.
Let's talk about our favorite and least favorite sequels/prequels/spin-offs:
Games that completely top the original:
Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong-Quest
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages/Seasons
TimeSplitters 2/Future Perfect
Sonic the Hedgehog 2/3 & Knuckles
Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening
Ninja Gaiden II: The Dark Sword of Chaos
Half-Life 2
Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast
Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy
Jedi Starfighter
WWF: No Mercy
SSX Tricky
NBA Street Vol. 2
DOOM 2
Power Stone 2
Soul Calibur 2
Dead or Alive 2
Street Fighter II/III/IV/Alpha (all)
Marvel vs. Capcom 2
Super Mario Bros. 2/3/World
Crash Bandicoot 2/Warped
Kirby Superstar
Streets of Rage 2/3
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV: Turtles in Time
Jet Set Radio Future
Star Fox 64 (The original is still great, though, no matter what the rest of you dummies want to believe) :bleh:
*Note that I consider the 3D Zelda series separately from the 2D ones, hence why I don't mention OoT since it's the first 3D Zelda game
*Also note that I won't mention RE4 since I haven't actually played any of the original games to compare it to
Games that aren't as good, but still great in their own right:
Max Payne 2
F.E.A.R. 2
DOOM 3
BioShock 2
Ninja Gaiden 2 (X360)
Ninja Gaiden: Dragon Sword
Ninja Gaiden III: The Ancient Ship of Doom
Devil May Cry 4
Mega Man X 2
Halo: Reach
Marvel vs. Capcom 3
Sparkster
Sonic Adventure 2
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask/The Wind Waker
Disappointing Games:
Devil May Cry 2
Ninja Gaiden 3/Z
Halo 2 (mostly bias, here, as it's not a bad game)
Soul Calibur III
Most 3D Sonic games between Adventure 2 and Colors (but not including those two games, specifically)
I disagree quite a lot on your placement of Half-Life 2 and Majora's Mask/Wind Waker, but I'm sure you know that by now. ;)
Much like F.E.A.R. 2, Blood 2 and Condemned 2 are good games, but they don't live up to their predecessors in any way. The only truly amazing sequel Monolith ever made was No One Lives Forever 2, which is flawless. But Contract J.A.C.K. is fucking terrible.
Prequels are hard to do right, but I thought Deus Ex: Human Revolution and Drakengard 3 were both fantastic. Interesting how, despite taking place before the originals, they're both third games in their respective series, and were made nearly a decade after the original sequels, which are considered subpar. The same is true with Devil May Cry 3 as well, except for the waiting almost 10 years part.
While I don't exactly agree with this statement, many would say that of the three PS2 mascot platformer trilogies, Ratchet & Clank got progressively better with each installment, while Jak & Daxter and Sly Cooper got progressively worse.
The Saints Row series is interesting, because the second game surpassed the first one in every way, the third game was largely disappointing in most aspects (though still fun), and the fourth game was completely different despite looking suspiciously similar... while also being the best of the bunch.
I am perhaps the only person here who thinks this, but Banjo-Tooie is one of the greatest sequels of all time. Also, Tropical Freeze is easily the best Donkey Kong game ever.
Everyone seemed to think Thief (2014) and Hitman: Absolution would be great, but they turned out to be extremely disappointing. The exact inverse happened with Splinter Cell: Blacklist.
Mass Effect is the rare video game trilogy where the second game is generally seen as the best one. Speaking of sci-fi EA games, I feel the same way about Dead Space, though that isn't a particularly popular opinion.
Quote from: Foggle on April 04, 2015, 11:51:31 PM
I disagree quite a lot on your placement of Half-Life 2 and Majora's Mask/Wind Waker, but I'm sure you know that by now. ;)
I can understand that, but in the case of MM I just find that its main gimmick really meshes with my preferred gameplay style (I just don't like the feeling of having to watch a time limit go by), and I love WW, but its pacing could be tighter, IMO. I also feel like it has become popular to say that OoT is weaker than the others since it came earlier, but I've replayed the game many times and it still has the strongest dungeon-design and best overall bosses, world, and gameplay, IMO, so I wouldn't consider those other two, as great as they are, to top it in every way, and by "not as good" I mean that I enjoy them both, but not as much as an overall package as OoT.
As for Half-Life 2, I've played and enjoyed the original, but I just find the sequel to be superior. It's just my personal opinion, so I don't know what else to say.
I actually don't think either WW or MM is truly *better* than OoT, but I wouldn't say they weren't as good, either. OoT definitely has the best dungeon design and pacing of the three, though I do think WW has excellent pacing up until the Triforce hunt. I also think the dungeon design in that game is fairly underrated, despite not being spectacular.
I think the first Half-Life is better than its sequel until Xen, when it becomes far worse. HL2 is definitely more consistent overall, but I prefer the highs of the original game, myself.
That's just a vague categorization term that I used. I don't mean that they were inferior products to the original, but rather that I just didn't find them to match it on the whole from my personal opinion.
As for HL, I actually didn't mind Xen that much. I found Ravenholm from HL2 to be worse, personally, but outside of that I found that HL2 felt like a more refined version of the first game outside of the vehicle segments (which I wasn't a fan of). I also just found the scenarios to be more memorable and challenging, whereas I surprisingly didn't run into too much difficulty in the first game until Xen. That may be because I played the second game first, but either way it just comes down to personal preference of level design and story progression since you certainly couldn't say that the games were too different in terms of combat mechanics outside of the Gravity Gun (which I honestly only used for puzzles and Head Crabs, anyways).
Games that completely top the original:
Sonic the Hedgehog 2
NBA Street Vol. 2
DOOM 2
Streets of Rage 2
Far Cry 3: Blood Dragon (I'm cheating. I'm an adulterer.)
Games that aren't as good, but still great in their own right:
Max Payne 2
BioShock 2
Ninja Gaiden 2 (X360)
Devil May Cry 4
Marvel vs. Capcom 3
Halo 2 and 3
Sonic 3&Knuckles
Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening
Streets Of Rage 3
Disappointing Games:
Devil May Cry 2
I've played a lot of these games but I've either haven't beaten a sequel yet or I've never played the original, Street Fighter being a classic example. I do like Street Fight II, III and IV equally though. And everything else is just an unpopular opinion here. :sly:
I didn't mind Xen either. I've yet to play 2 though.
Ravenholm is a lot of fun if you use the gravity gun IMO. Xen's horrendous platforming and its inclusion of the worst boss designs ever made me hate it. Seriously, an alien with giant testicles that screeches constantly and a humongous flying aborted fetus that shoots lasers? :wth:
You think Gigyas is a fetus, don't you? :bleh:
Giygas has a cool design. This piece of absolute garbage does not:
(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvignette2.wikia.nocookie.net%2Fhalf-life%2Fimages%2Fe%2Fe5%2FHl_nihilanthcrystal.jpg%2Frevision%2Flatest%3Fcb%3D20070414012718%26amp%3Bpath-prefix%3Den&hash=d85a39e310f849931bb00379440e235dfc883bd5)
Godawful.
*plays Earthbound to help repress the memory of the sight of that.*
I hated the fact that Ravenholm basically forced you to use the Gravity Gun throughout most of it. That's what burned me out on using the weapon for most of the rest of the game.
As for Xen, aside from the design, I didn't find the boss to be frustratingly difficult or tedious or anything like that. Also, it's clearly meant to look repulsive.
You're not forced to use the gravity gun in Ravenholm, it's just designed to be a fun testing ground for it. I've run the whole level with only the shotgun and magnum before.
The bosses are extremely easy in Xen, but they're still ugly. And not in the Resident Evil kind of way where they're disgusting because of talented artistry - they're just terrible designs.
Yeah, but I'll take bad designs over boring gameplay and level design, any day. I HATE fighting the headcrab enemies because there are too many of them and they don't have interesting AI or anything like that. They also remind me way too much of The Flood from Halo, which isn't a good thing at all.
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on April 05, 2015, 12:53:31 PM
Yeah, but I'll take bad designs over boring gameplay and level design, any day.
Both of which Xen also has. :P
I don't know, I thought Ravenholm had great level design, personally. I mean, it definitely dragged on for a bit too long, but the traps were really fun to use against the enemies, and I liked the horror atmosphere a lot.
I just found it to be tedious after the first 10 minutes.
Yeah, that's understandable. It's not really one of my favorite levels or anything, but I do think it's well-designed for what it is.
Sequels surpassing the previous game:
Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles
Super Mario Bros. 3 and World
Rolling Thunder 2 and 3
Adventure Island II and III
Golden Axe: Revenge of Death Adder
Kirby Super Star, Return to Dreamland, and Triple Deluxe
Earthbound
Mario Kart Double Dash!!
Metal Slug X and 3
Sengoku 3
Samurai Shodown 2
Fatal Fury Real Bout Special
Garou Mark of the Wolves
House of the Dead 2, 3, and Overkill (never played 4)
Virtua Cop 2 and 3
Time Crisis 2
Yakuza 2 (if the original had the gameplay of 2, it would probably be the best, though)
Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
Pikmin 2
New Super Mario Bros. Wii and U
Super Mario Galaxy 2
Super Mario 3D World
Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon
Rayman Legends
Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando and Up Your Arsenal
Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack In Time
Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time
Sequels not as good as the original
Super Mario Bros. The Lost Levels
Tiny Toon Adventures 2
Metal Slug 4
Shock Troopers: Second Squad
Contra Legacy of War and C: The Contra Adventure
Super Mario Sunshine
Super Paper Mario and Sticker Star
Ever single Mario Vs. Donkey Kong game past the first one
Sly 3
Jak 3 (and overworld missions of 2)
Mario Kart Super Circuit and 64
Yoshi Story
Kirby 64
Off the top of my head.
I forgot about Earthbound and The Metal Slug games. I'd also put Metal Slug XX on the list. I thought you borderline hated The Lost Levels and Sly 3?
I don't like either, but they came to my mind while I was writing it. Lost Levels contains every sort of platformer level design that I hate and Sly 3 is barely even a platformer at all yet it's advertised as being one.
Then they should have been in Disappointing Games. :thinkin:
Meh.
Grumpy old man. :thinkin:
Yoshi's New Island should be listed now that I'm playing it.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 06, 2015, 04:08:45 PM
Yoshi's New Island should be listed now that I'm playing it.
In which list?
I still think they should stop trying to top Yoshi's Island (since they apparently can't) and go for something different. From the look of things, the yarn game could be the one to do that.
The thing is, it's a step down from the original in every way (and why does Yoshi have feet the size of cars?) which makes me wonder why exactly this game was made in the first place.
It's not a bad game (it's actually a decent game), but there's no spark here at all. The gameplay is slower, controls are stiffer, the music is atrocious, the story is THE SAME THING FOR THREE GAMES IN A ROW WITH THE SAME CUTSCENES, and the level design is boring. Yoshi's Island DS was mediocre and this is just more of that. I don't know why they hired the same people to make this game that did that one.
But it could be worse. It could be Yoshi Story.
The Yoshi's Story sequels feature baby Mario alongside baby Donkey Kong. But we know that Donkey Kong is actually much younger than Mario because Mario was originally enemies with the original Donkey Kong. For these Yoshi games to suggest Mario and modern Donkey Kong were babies together means they don't exist to me. :P
I consider the YI games after the first as the stork having night terrors about his first encounter over and over again.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 06, 2015, 04:57:48 PM
I consider the YI games after the first as the stork having night terrors about his first encounter over and over again.
Hopefully they include that into the next Yoshi's Island game (I wouldn't be surprised if they do make another one and it's on par with the other two sequels). Though that would require them to make a new cutscene, which they seem opposed to. :P
The beginning of all three games are identical with the same cutscenes in the same order with the same art style. It's astonishing how lazy it is. In the second game the only difference is the number of babies and in the third one an additional mention of a vacation island for the Yoshis.
That's pretty much it.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 06, 2015, 05:12:21 PMIn the second game the only difference is the number of babies and in the second one an additional mention of a vacation island for the Yoshis.
Yoshi is really kicking his storytelling to the next level.
I don't even care about the story in these games, but I would rather nothing over using the same exact sequence being played over and over in every game.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 06, 2015, 05:42:23 PM
I don't even care about the story in these games, but I would rather nothing over using the same exact sequence being played over and over in every game.
I agree. I just felt like making fun of it. :P
Hey Spark, you're a Monkey Island fan, right? This isn't the right thread to ask this, at least not for me, but what did you think of Escape?
Never played it, but from what I've seen it looks like it was a complete whiff. Which is why I haven't played it.
The control scheme ruins the game badly. Tank controls do not work in a point and click adventure style game.
That does sound horrible.
LOL.
Check what M2 has for their credits in the new SoR2 remake. (http://www.gonintendo.com/s/251953-random-time-3d-streets-of-rage-ii-has-some-strange-credits)
What's going on with Castlevania now and in the near future?
Nothing. The series is dead.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 28, 2015, 06:41:45 PM
Nothing. The series is dead.
So do they just have no idea what to do with it? Or did it get Konami'd?
Quote from: talonmalon333 on April 28, 2015, 06:45:15 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 28, 2015, 06:41:45 PM
Nothing. The series is dead.
So do they just have no idea what to do with it? Or did it get Konami'd?
Konami is basically leaving the video game industry. All their IPs are just going to sit and rot.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 28, 2015, 06:47:38 PM
Quote from: talonmalon333 on April 28, 2015, 06:45:15 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 28, 2015, 06:41:45 PM
Nothing. The series is dead.
So do they just have no idea what to do with it? Or did it get Konami'd?
Konami is basically leaving the video game industry. All their IPs are just going to sit and rot.
Wait, they're doing what?
Quote from: talonmalon333 on April 28, 2015, 06:48:20 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 28, 2015, 06:47:38 PM
Quote from: talonmalon333 on April 28, 2015, 06:45:15 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 28, 2015, 06:41:45 PM
Nothing. The series is dead.
So do they just have no idea what to do with it? Or did it get Konami'd?
Konami is basically leaving the video game industry. All their IPs are just going to sit and rot.
Wait, they're doing what?
Check out the Death of Konami thread. They're throwing in the towel.
I know they delisted themself but does that really mean they are closing down?
Quote from: talonmalon333 on April 28, 2015, 06:53:11 PM
I know they delisted themself but does that really mean they are closing down?
No. They just don't want their tanking stock prices to be common knowledge, as they'd prove how much influence Kojima had in their success.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 28, 2015, 05:47:37 PM
LOL.
Check what M2 has for their credits in the new SoR2 remake. (http://www.gonintendo.com/s/251953-random-time-3d-streets-of-rage-ii-has-some-strange-credits)
Amazing!
Quote from: talonmalon333 on April 28, 2015, 06:53:11 PM
I know they delisted themself but does that really mean they are closing down?
Konami isn't just a video game company. Their game division is a money sink, so it's just a matter of time before they gut it for good.
I remember saying that I'd laugh if their stocks went down with the news of Kojima's departure just like what happened with Tecmo after Itagaki left.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 28, 2015, 05:47:37 PM
LOL.
Check what M2 has for their credits in the new SoR2 remake. (http://www.gonintendo.com/s/251953-random-time-3d-streets-of-rage-ii-has-some-strange-credits)
:D :D :D I always love the extra effort like this. Sammy's such a troll.
What would you guys call the top best games on the original Nintendo DS?
I believe that I have only played New Super Mario Bros. and Mario 64 on it.
Out of the games I played:
1. Pokemon HeartGold/SoulSilver
2. Pokemon Black 2/White 2
3. Pokemon Black/White
4. Pokemon Diamond/Pearl/Platinum
5. Mario Kart DS
6. New Super Mario Bros.
7. Super Mario 64 DS
8. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
9. Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time
10. Mario vs. Donkey Kong: Mini-Land Mayhem
I've never been a huge gamer, so there's plenty of games I'm sure I missed out on. But of what I did play on the DS, the main series Pokemon games released for the system were easily my favorites.
Contra 4
Henry Hatsworth & The Puzzling Adventure
Space Invaders Extreme 2
Sonic Rush
Aliens Infestation
Hotel Dusk Room 215
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
Giana Sister DS
Retro Game Challenge
There are also comps like Mega Man Zero Collection and Sonic Classic Collection that are great.
I'm pretty sure we have a DS thread somewhere if you want to check.
I don't remember seeing one.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 08, 2015, 01:07:00 PM
Contra 4
Henry Hatsworth & The Puzzling Adventure
Space Invaders Extreme 2
Sonic Rush
Aliens Infestation
Hotel Dusk Room 215
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
Giana Sister DS
Retro Game Challenge
There are also comps like Mega Man Zero Collection and Sonic Classic Collection that are great.
I'm pretty sure we have a DS thread somewhere if you want to check.
Are those in order?
Also, when you say Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, do you specifically mean the first game? Or the series as a whole?
Any order is fine.
All three Phoenix Wright games are great, but the first really should be the first one you play. The second is alright, but the third is just as great as the first one.
I love it. Wright and Maya is one of my favorite video game teamups.
The whole cast is charming.
About the only case I can't stand is the third case in the second game. That clown, man.
Now I'll expand the question.
What would you say is the top best games on each Nintendo handheld (list something like 5 games if you can't think of 10 for each)?
From what I remember:
Gameboy : Super Mario Land 2, Link's Awakening (probably the best handheld Zelda I've ever played), Pokemon Red/Blue
Gameboy Color: Silver/Gold/Crystal, Oracle of Seasons,
Gameboy Advance: Astro Boy Omega Factor, Golden Sun, Mother 3, Super Mario Bros. 2, Castlevania Harmony Of Dissonance, Wario Land 4
Nintendo DS: New Super Mario Bros.
Game Boy
1. Donkey Kong '94
2. Mega Man V
3. Mega Man IV
4. Kirby's Dream Land
5. Link's Awakening
6. Mole Mania
7. Castlevania: Belmont's Revenge
8. Quarth
9. Catrap
10. Donkey Kong Land III
Game Boy Color
1. Wario Land II
2. Oracle of Seasons
3. Oracle of Ages
4. Game & Watch Gallery 3
5. Metal Gear: Ghost Babel
6. Shantae
7. Game & Watch Gallery 2
8. Mario Golf
9. Bionic Commando: Elite Forces
10. Super Mario Bros. Deluxe
Game Boy Advance
1. Mega Man Zero 3
2. Mega Man Zero 2
3. Double Dragon Advance
4. Metroid Fusion
5. Ninja Five-O
6. Metroid Zero Mission
7. Wario Land 4
8. Minish Cap
9. Sonic Advance
10. WarioWare Inc.
DS
1. Contra 4
2. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
3. Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
4. Henry Hatsworth & The Puzzling Adventure
5. Hotel Dusk Room 215
6. Sonic Rush
7. Space Invaders Extreme 2
8. Aliens Infestation
9. Retro Game Challenge
10. Radiant Historia
3DS
1. A Link Between Worlds
2. Kirby Triple Deluxe
3. Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon
4. Shinobi
5. Super Smash Bros. 3DS
6. Kid Icarus: Uprising
7. Rhythm Thief & the Emperor's Treasure
8. Resident Evil Revelations
9. Theatrhythm: Final Fantasy Curtain Call
10. Mario Kart 7
eShop
1.Fantasy Zone II W
2. 3D Shinobi III
3. Cave Story
4. Shovel Knight
5. OutRun 3D
6. Mutant Mudds
7. Fantasy Zone: Opa Opa Bros.
8. Ace Attorney: Dual Destinies
9. Steel Empire
10. Xeodrifter
The GBA was by far the hardest to choose between. Probably one of the best Nintendo systems.
I have never heard of Elite Forces.
It's pretty good, though some of the bosses are unbelievably hard.
Noted. Apparently I've played very few handheld games.
I thought you didn't like SMB Deluxe, Spark?
It's alright. The problem is that there are few great Game Boy Color games that aren't already B&W.
I have a hard time thinking of any myself.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 08, 2015, 09:51:50 PM
It's alright. The problem is that there are few great Game Boy Color games that aren't already B&W.
You're not a Pokemon fan? Generation II, which was GBC, was one of my favorite parts of that series.
I preferred Soul Silver and Heart Gold over Silver and Gold. The old games are hard to go back to. The remakes, however, are awesome.
The newer games must be really good then. I've never played one. I've seen like minutes of the new ones and just once in person. :oo:
The GS remakes are likely the best games in the series at this point. For me, anyway.
Crystal was my favorite, well what little I played of it, so I'm sure I'd love them. ;D
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 08, 2015, 08:48:55 PM
Game Boy Advance
1. Mega Man Zero 3
2. Mega Man Zero 2
3. Double Dragon Advance
4. Metroid Fusion
5. Ninja Five-O
6. Metroid Zero Mission
7. Wario Land 4
8. Minish Cap
9. Sonic Advance
10. WarioWare Inc.
DS
1. Contra 4
2. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
3. Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
4. Henry Hatsworth & The Puzzling Adventure
5. Hotel Dusk Room 215
6. Sonic Rush
7. Space Invaders Extreme 2
8. Aliens Infestation
9. Retro Game Challenge
10. Radiant Historia
I was expecting some Castlevania in these lists.
Yeah dood! Them GBA Castlevanias are the bomb. :zonk:
I haven't played the DS Castlevanias, but Circle of the Moon and Aria of Sorrow could have easily been there. Two of the best games in the series.
By the way, today Capcom released Mega Man Zero 3 on the Wii U. Yes, the #1 on my list from before.
The Wii U soon might be the go-to console for Mega Man games.
So, here's some weird news: (http://www.gonintendo.com/stories/235661-arc-system-works-acquires-property-rights-of-double-dragon-super)
QuoteYOKOHAMA, JAPAN (June 11, 2015) - Arc System Works, developer of world-class fighting games such as the Guilty Gear and BlazBlue series, is excited to announce that effective June 1st, 2015, all Intangible Property Rights of all titles previously owned by Technos Japan Corp.™, including but not limited to the "Double Dragon" series, "Super Dodge Ball" series, "River City Ransom", and the "Kunio-kun" series, has been transferred from Million Co., Ltd. to Arc System Works Co., Ltd.
That's pretty crazy news.
It isn't as if Million was doing much with those series anyway, but I do hope they take advantage of these IPs. Hard Corps Uprising shows a good understanding of how classic gaming works and I'd really love to see a Double Dragon or River City Ransom done in that style.
:o
How is DOOM 3 BFG? Are there any Silent Hill HD-style problems I should worry about?
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 25, 2015, 09:25:53 PM
How is DOOM 3 BFG? Are there any Silent Hill HD-style problems I should worry about?
It turns a pretty good horror game into a mediocre ego shooter. Stick with the original version.
Quote from: Foggle on June 25, 2015, 10:01:52 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on June 25, 2015, 09:25:53 PM
How is DOOM 3 BFG? Are there any Silent Hill HD-style problems I should worry about?
It turns a pretty good horror game into a mediocre ego shooter. Stick with the original version.
Really? What did they change?
The shoulder-mounted flashlight ruins a lot of the game's spookiness and atmosphere. It's a small change, but it basically destroys what was good about the original game in the process. Also, some of the set-pieces are dumbed down, the cutscenes are unskippable, the performance is worse, and modding is impossible.
Quote from: Foggle on June 25, 2015, 10:15:14 PM
The shoulder-mounted flashlight ruins a lot of the game's spookiness and atmosphere. It's a small change, but it basically destroys what was good about the original game in the process. Also, some of the set-pieces are dumbed down, the cutscenes are unskippable, the performance is worse, and modding is impossible.
That's . . . strange. Why didn't they just port the game as-is and just upscale the graphics?
Shame, I was hoping it would have been a good addition for my PS3 (and having another copy of both classic DOOM games were a good bonus) without having to pull out my old Xbox version considering the extras it supposedly had.
Doesn't leave me hopeful for DOOM 4. Not like RAGE helped much there either.
It's Twin Snakes Syndrome. Fans and critics beg for the inclusion of a specific feature, devs eventually include it in their remake, and the game is made worse as a result.
Quote from: Foggle on June 25, 2015, 10:41:20 PM
It's Twin Snakes Syndrome.
Say no more. I'll pass.
I'm really wary about where they're taking this series.
I actually really like the original Doom 3 despite how different it is. 4 hasn't wowed me yet, but I think it has a lot of potential. Though between Rage, BFG Edition, Id Tech 5, and the leaked Call of Doomty footage, it's hard not to be skeptical.
I really like all 3 original DOOM games, that's probably why I'm extra skeptical about 4. I really don't want them to mess up my favorite FPS series.
The original version of DOOM 3 is a good game, IMO. It was modernized just enough to fit in with contemporary shooters of the time, and used the updated graphics to add an effective horror atmosphere to the game, but much of the combat still felt like a DOOM game. The level design is the only thing holding the game back from being on par with the older games, IMO, but it's understandable that it was a bit more streamlined since dumb-ass critics would have complained about the labyrinth-style levels of the older games.
It's not a classic like the first two games or the N64 exclusive, but it still holds up and definitely deserves attention from any hardcore DOOM fans.
Oh yeah, Doom 64. That might actually be my favorite game in the series!
That really needs to be put on the VC.
Seriously. I can't believe it hasn't been.
That really is a mystery. Licensing issues, maybe? But at least there's a pretty good (unofficial) PC port.
Midway doesn't exist anymore, but they could always get another publisher for the VC version. It's happened before. Otherwise, I don't see the problem. You could even have dual stick controls since the Wii U VC allows button remapping.
Really, playing DOOM on the gamepad with off-TV play would be so cool. Especially with headphones!
Shinji Mikami wants to make a sequel to God Hand. :joy: :joy: :joy:
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2015/06/29/shinji-mikami-admits-hed-like-to-revisit-dino-crisis-and-god-hand
I was just talking about wanting a Dino Crisis sequel! ;D
Favorite series:
Ninja Gaiden (the 3D ones) - I can finally say this since I played 1 and II not too far apart
Street Fighter
Metal Slug
Mother
Shining Force
Streets Of Rage
Sonic Genesis + CD
Doom
Halo
Quote from: gunswordfist on September 05, 2015, 05:50:39 PM
Favorite series:
Ninja Gaiden (the 3D ones) - I can finally say this since I played 1 and II not too far apart
Street Fighter
Metal Slug
Mother
Shining Force
Streets Of Rage
Sonic Genesis + CD
Doom
Halo
I forgot Mega Man...for some stupid reason. That's 10!
Edge's list of 100 best video games:
100 - WarioWare Inc - GBA
99 - Spec Ops: The Line
98 - Papers, Please
97 - DriveClub
96 - Braid
95 - Super Hexagon
94 - Her Story
93 - Super Monkey Ball
92 - Final Fantasy XII
91 - Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time
90 - Katamari Damacy
89 - Animal Crossing: New Leaf
88 - Resogun
87 - Puzzle Bobble
86 - F-Zero GX
85 - The Sims 3
84 - R-Type Final
83 - Elite: Dangerous
82 - Bomberman
81 - Starcraft II
80 - Pac-Man Championship Edition
79 - BioShock
78 - CoD 4: Modern Warfare
77 - Puzzle & Dragons
76 - Tearaway
75 - League of Legends
74 - Super Meat Boy
73 - Xenoblade Chronicles
72 - Titanfall
71 - Outrun 2006: Coast 2 Coast
70 - Left 4 Dead 2
69 - Counter-Strike Global Offensive
68 - Civilization IV
67 - Rez
66 - Battlefield 4
65 - Metroid Prime
64 - Hearthstone
63 - Castlevania SotN
62 - Limbo
61 - Towerfall: Ascension
60 - Earthbound
59 - Batman: Arkham Knight
58 - Transistor
57 - Puyo Puyo
56 - FTL Advanced Edition
55 - Persona 4 Golden
54 - Mass Effect 2
53 - Okami
52 - The Stanley Parable
51 - XCOM: Enemy Unknown
50 - Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate
49 - The Witcher III
48 - Far Cry 4
47 - LittleBigPlanet 3
46 - Trials Fusion
45 - Nidhogg
44 - Fez
43 - Super Mario 3D World
42 - Journey
41 - Fire Emblem: Awakening
40 - Dead Space
39 - Dota 2
38 - Vanquish
37 - Super Mario Maker
36 - Shadow of the Colossus
35 - Halo 3
34 - Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
33 - Spelunky HD
32 - Destiny
31 - Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
30 - Kerbal Space Program
29 - Dishonored
28 - Splatoon
27 - Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker
26 - Rock Band 3
25 - Skyrim
24 - Drop7
23 - Uncharted 2
22 - Ico
21 - Super Metroid
20 - Demon's Souls
19 - Advance Wars
18 - Mario Kart 8
17 - Ultra Street Fighter IV
16 - MGS V: The Phantom Pain
15 - Super Mario World
14 - Red Dead Redemption
13 - Super Mario 64
12 - Portal
11 - Bayonetta 2
10 - Minecraft
9 - Resident Evil 4
8 - Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
7 - Super Mario Galaxy 2
6 - Tetris
5 - Half-Life 2
4 - Bloodborne
3 - The Last of Us
2 - GTA V
1 - Dark Souls
Yes, they put a game that isn't even two months old yet in the top 20.
I can understand putting a Souls game in the top 20, and hell, I don't even have a problem with them listing one at the top since it's their list (granted that, this feels like a "fad" decision, rather than a genuine one), but to have three of them listed in the top 20....really? Bloodborne literally only came out this year, at that.
The weird part was that it was supposed to include no sequels other than the best entry of the listed series. It doesn't really wash when you look at the list.
And no SMB3 or Sonic, Ratchet, Contra, or Mega Man games is straight out bizarre.
I really don't want to rage at someone else's favorite video games like I'm 15 again... but this is seriously the worst list I've seen in some time.
The top 4 are straight up fad choices. Which isn't necessarily to say that I don't think deserve to be there (I loved the first 2/3 of Dark Souls), but seriously... ew. I support MGS5 being considered one of the best stealth games ever (still trying to decide if it's dethroned Blood Money, Thief 2, and Deus Ex for me), but it's not even a month old. Minecraft is #10 what the fuck. Why is Destiny here? Puzzle & Dragons? Her goddamn Story? I'm genuinely surprised Flappy Bird isn't in the top 10.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on September 29, 2015, 05:22:02 PM
And no SMB3 or Sonic, Ratchet, Contra, or Mega Man games is straight out bizarre.
No Donkey Kong Country, Silent Hill, Final Fantasy, or Deus Ex either. Jesus.
And as usual, nobody who makes these lists gives a flying fuck about Ninja Gaiden, nor any certified underrated classics like RKA or God Hand.
Final Fantasy XII is on the list. Why that and no VI, VII, IX, Secret of Mana, or Chrono Trigger is your guess. I'm still puzzling how you can forget SMB3 from a video game list but remember Super Mario Maker (which just came out) which contains the SMB3 skin in it.
I'll just ask. Why does every one of these lists always have Portal but NEVER Portal 2 instead? The sequel is the better game in every conceivable way unless you're still obsessed with dead cake memes.
I guess its like wondering how you can have a list of top 50 video games and have no Sega Genesis games on it. It's only one of the best, most popular, and important systems ever. But, hey, Braid, Limbo, and Fez, am I right?
Quote from: Foggle on September 29, 2015, 06:07:16 PM
The top 4 are straight up fad choices.
The Last of Us is a few years old and has be treated very well. I'm not sure you can really call it that.
But yeah, that list is pretty bad.
Quote from: talonmalon333 on September 29, 2015, 06:38:16 PM
Quote from: Foggle on September 29, 2015, 06:07:16 PM
The top 4 are straight up fad choices.
The Last of Us is a few years old and has be treated very well. I'm not sure you can really call it that.
But yeah, that list is pretty bad.
Like Killzone 2, Uncharted 2, and Heavy Rain, it's currently going through a bit of a backlash. Not on the level of the third one, but it's not looked at as flawless as it was back when it came out.
Uncharted 2 at #23 is rather low considering only a few years ago it would have been in the top 5, easily. The other two would have been in the top 20 years ago, too.
Just realized that this list has Drop7 but no Rareware games what the actual fuck
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on September 29, 2015, 06:34:19 PM
Final Fantasy XII is on the list.
Oh, shit, you're right. I Ctrl+F'd "Final Fantasy," but I guess I must have spelled it wrong...
QuoteI'm still puzzling how you can forget SMB3 from a video game list but remember Super Mario Maker (which just came out) which contains the SMB3 skin in it.
Including a game that's only two weeks old on a list like this... :il_hahaha: They might as well have put Undertale and Soma on here, too.
QuoteI'll just ask. Why does every one of these lists always have Portal but NEVER Portal 2 instead? The sequel is the better game in every conceivable way unless you're still obsessed with dead cake memes.
AMEN. Portal 2 has better gameplay, better writing, better graphics, is four times as long, and it's
always overshadowed by its predecessor. why
QuoteI guess its like wondering how you can have a list of top 50 video games and have no Sega Genesis games on it. It's only one of the best, most popular, and important systems ever. But, hey, Braid, Limbo, and Fez, am I right?
Oh my god, you're right. Not a single one. :shit:
Quote from: talonmalon333 on September 29, 2015, 06:38:16 PM
The Last of Us is a few years old and has be treated very well. I'm not sure you can really call it that.
People are literally using the same rhetoric to describe TLOU right now that they ascribed to GTA4 within the first three years of its launch. "Hollywood-quality writing... for real this time, guys!" The remaster just came out and is currently being bundled with PS4 consoles, so it's actually still in the "new car smell" phase. Let's see what people think of it in 2018.
Super Mario Maker is excellent, and one of the best create tool games I've played, but its still too early to list it on something like this. Not to mention, SMB3 is one of the best games ever made. It missing here is just crazy.
But Super Mario Bros. 3 is irrelevant. Unlike...
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on September 29, 2015, 04:05:35 PM
26 - Rock Band 3
I also can't understand why any list would rank Halo 3 above the original. If it's for the multiplayer, then that's pretty irrelevant considering how few people still play it competitively. If it's for the campaign mode, then that's just ridiculous.
I don't think much effort was put into this at all.
It's the type of list that the authors probably think is on point and edgy, but will look back on it and cringe at a huge portion of their choices a few years from now.
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on September 30, 2015, 01:44:23 PM
but will look back on it and cringe at a huge portion of their choices a few years from now.
They will then remedy that by replacing the games with whatever's temporarily popular, whenever that happens.
Meh, I'm sure MGSV deserves to be here. No need for that to be the first complaint.
Dragon Quest VII and VIII are officially being released here next year for the 3DS.
Big news since both of them are fan favorites and the 3DS versions appear to be the ideal versions of each.
Okay, now that Splatoon has finally released the last map I'm going to rank them here from best to worst. Since there are 16 different maps and multiple modes to go over, I'm just going to list them in an overall rank. Feel free to disagree, but this is what I thought of each of them.
BEST
1. Flounder Heights
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The best map in the game. Flounder Heights is perfectly balanced to all weapon types. Snipers have lots of open paths to ink, mid-range has a lot of open battlefield, and the rollers have lots of nooks for hiding and surprise attacks. Not to mention the varying heights, every match on Flounder Heights is entirely different. When the sequel comes out, it needs to include this map in the base game. I'll be saddened if it doesn't come back.
2. Camp Triggerfish
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This is a deceptively simple map, but what makes it so great is that it works perfectly with every game mode and is balanced for every weapon. The drop platforms at the one minute warning are done better in another level, but they add just enough variety to make this level have some very nice matches. The only gripe might be the nets that you can fall through can be annoying in a firefight, but that's just minor stuff. As a whole it is one of the best maps in Splatoon.
3. Museum D'Alfonsino
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This map clearly took a lot of time to come out for a reason. There's a lot of moving parts, which makes it a very dynamic map with lots to do. The only negative is that since its so new it doesn't show up much in the rotation. Nintendo needs to broaden the map rotation to 3 instead of 2. Still, it is quite awesome.
4. Hammerhead Bridge
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A narrow map with tons of tight corridors, yet snipers have much to do, Hammerhead Bridge is a map that shouldn't work but totally does. Small enough for the extra modes to work perfectly, it still shines in turf war where there is a surprising amount to ink. Such a shame it doesn't come up much in rotation.
5. Mahi-Mahi Resort
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This is the map that takes the rising terrain idea in Camp Triggerfish and goes all out with it. You have to be careful on this map because the tide can turn at any moment. Also the fact that there are no surrounding walls makes death quite easy. It's a bit of a nerve-wracking map to play on, but it isn't like any other map in the game which makes it well worth playing on.
GREAT
6. Kelp Dome
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Big and sprawling with many different tactics, Kelp Dome is an intimidating map to play on- in any mode. For me, this is the base standard for Splatoon maps. Plenty to ink, many different ways to do it, and a lot of space to play around in. The only fault with this map is that once one team has taken the majority, they are going to win as the map is very hard to take back. But that doesn't make it any less of a fun map.
7. Walleye Warehouse
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The most well-known Splatoon map. It's also always a treat to play on. The devs hit a great balance on this level for making sure any weapon can dominate if the users are proficient enough: it's also one of the most fan to play Splat Zones on due to the wide open area in the middle. Back when there were only a handful of maps in the game, this was the one that I never complained about when it came up. It's the standard Splatoon map, and it's great.
8. Urchin Underpass [Revamped]
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Boy, am I thankful this map was revamped. You see, the original map was probably one of the most unbalanced in the game. Once someone took the center, the match was over due to the poorly thought out choke-points all over the map. The revamp not only gets rid of the choke-points, but makes everything bigger making it the most wide open map in the game. The new map has so much to do and so many ways to do it that I still freeze when playing it not sure of what to do next. That overwhelmed feeling is the only reason it isn't higher, because otherwise it's a great map.
9. Moray Towers
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The only fault of this map is how easily a team of snipers can lock it down. Otherwise, it is one of my favorite maps in the game. Thankfully, a lockdown doesn't happen too often, because the tall height and angled battles are a lot of fun. I know this map is a bit controversial to some, but I don't see why. With a few tweaks, this could easily be the best map in the game.
10. Arowana Mall
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Speaking of controversial . . . this is one of the most hated maps in the game. And I don't see why. I can understand the hate of the slope near the center of the stage, but its really inconsequential. Every match I've played here (outside of one team being way better than the other) has been close and frantic, and there is something for everyone to do here regardless of the weapon or mode. Truthfully, I really like this map even back when it was overplayed.
GOOD
11. Piranha Pit
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This stage is so close to being great that it hurts. What holds it back is that it is so tiny. Every single match ends with one team slaughtered because there isn't any real space to claim territory. The problem is that every gimmick in the level from the slopes to the conveyor belts to the islands are excellent. If the stage were twice as big in the center, this would be one of the best maps in the game. As it is it straddles the line.
12. Blackbelly Skatepark
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So this is a strange placement for this level. I can only say that this is here because I like every other level better. Something about this stage just feels so bland and dull. I can have a great match here, but matches are either utter slaughters or a fight for a close victory and rarely just feel relaxed. I'm not sure really, but this map is just decent to me.
13. Port Mackerel
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This map is awesome on every mode except Turf War. Lots of hiding places and narrow corridors and strategizing often rewards you with a cool moment or two. The problem? The map is awful on Turf War. There's nothing you can really ink and since there are so many obvious choke-points, matches here are either utter stalemates or end in one team being utterly demolished (I'm talking final results like 99% to 1% here) the other which rarely ends in a fun match. Should this map come back in the next game, they need to tweak it for Turf War.
14. Ancho-V Games
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The most recent map is a bit of a disappointment. Now, don't get me wrong. The moving platforms are a lot of fun and I wish they were in more stages. The problem? That's all the stage has. There's nothing else to it. Splat Zones is a pretty annoying mode to play due to the platforms getting in the way and the map just has nothing that sticks out about it. It's a good stage overall, but that's all it is. There's nothing great about it.
BAD
15. Bluefin Depot
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Hate this level. Hate it. I've never had a fun match here. The map favors long range over close range, there is a giant pit in the level's center that prevents maneuverability, and coordinating a team to ink is next to impossible. You'll probably be swarmed by three people on the other team more often than not because everyone else decided to go the other way. Fighting in the base is annoying due to the lack of ways to get a good angle on anything and those grates on the side make escape or storming an enemy base pointlessly frustrating. There is nothing fun about this map.
16. Saltspray Rig
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Yes, this is one of the original maps, in fact the one the first demo came with in addition to Walleye Warehouse. Yes, it's a popular map. Yes, everyone loves it. But no one will call it a good map. Because it's not. It's the worst map in the game without question. Why is it bad? There is only one of two ways to play Saltspray Rig. The first is be a sniper which locks down every portion of the map due to there being places members of the opposite team CANNOT reach. The second is that once the center is taken, the match is done. It rarely ever gets reclaimed and if it does, it comes at the cost of every other inch of the map which will then be locked down by untouchable snipers. Every other mode blows here, too. The terrain is too uneven and obscure to get a footing in and there simply isn't much to do. This map is awful and I cannot fathom why it was included in the original demo, because it is undoubtedly an inferior map to every other one. Hopefully this is not revisited in a sequel.
And that's all 16 maps in the game. Splatoon has been one of the most fun I've had with a multiplayer game in a long time, and I hope the community sticks around now that all the maps and weapons are out. There are still Splatfests ahead, sure, but the game is no less fun than when it came out. Actually, it's better. My only hope for a sequel is that they improve even more on the great foundation they have and beef up the single player. When all is said and done, Splatoon was one of the best games of 2015 and I hope it continues to surprise and delight.
Stay fresh!
This was pretty nuts. (http://gonintendo.com/stories/252197-fan-art-if-super-mario-kart-had-101-players)
That was humorous. I almost wish someone would try to get that to work.
Sega put out a survey. (http://sgiz.mobi/s3/a6153476587f)
Too many questions about mobile games....:thinkin:
So many favorite Sega games to name..
My top 10 personal favorite Capcom games:
10. Aladdin (SNES)
9. Power Stone 2
8. Devil May Cry 4
7. Marvel Vs. Capcom 2
6. Devil May Cry (original)
5. Ultra Street Fighter IV
4. Mega Man X
3. The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages/Seasons
2. Resident Evil 4
1. Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening (Special Edition)
Top 10 personal favorite Sega games: (This list includes either Sega published games OR console exclusives not necessarily published by them)
10. Sonic Adventure
9. Comix Zone (Genesis/Mega Drive Exclusive)
8. Gunstar Heroes
7. Vanquish
6. Streets of Rage 2
5. Jet Set Radio Future
4. Sonic the Hedgehog 2
3. Rocket Knight Adventures (Genesis/Mega Drive Exclusive)
2. Bayonetta
1. Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles
Top 10 personal favorite SNES games:
10. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV: Turtles in Time
9. Chrono Trigger
8. Super Castlevania IV
7. Super Street Fighter II Turbo
6. Mario Kart
5. Kirby Superstar
4. Super Mario World
3. Mega Man X
2. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong-Quest
1. Yoshi's Island
When I think about it, Capcom is responsible for a large chunk of my all-time favorite games. Those are all great choices. My list would probably be
10. Project Justice
9. Viewtiful Joe
8. The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages/Seasons
7. Dragon's Dogma
6. Killer7
5. Devil May Cry 3 (Special Edition)
4. Devil May Cry
3. Resident Evil (Remake)
2. God Hand
1. Resident Evil 4
Cool list. Resident Evil 4 is definitely one of the greatest games ever made. And while Capcom has been shit with their business practices for years, nothing changes the fact that they were the greatest third party publisher between console generations three to six.
I really need to play the Rival Schools games. Still, except for Third Strike and the CVS games, which I'm sure that I'll love, I think that USF4 will remain my favorite fighting game of all time. I've never played another game with 40+ playable characters, and not one of them a carbon copy of the other. Each character is so unique and interesting to control and play as. Street Fighter, much like Resident Evil, is one of those iconic franchises that I used to take for granted. But actually playing it made me realize just why it has such a well-earned legendary status in the first place.
Ultra Street Fighter IV is legitimately one of my favorite games ever. It's a game that I personally grew a bond with over time. No, it's probably not the best fighting game ever, or the most content-rich, or as universally appealing as SF2, but I really don't care about those things. It just really works for me, and that's all that matters.
I'm planning to write a more in-depth post on why I like it so much.
They're making an animated Klonoa film. (http://variety.com/2016/film/asia/henshin-developing-klonoa-animated-film-1201902826/)
Color me surprised. I thought we'd never see the franchise again.
Quote from: Dr. Ensatsu-ken on May 10, 2016, 08:07:58 PM
Ultra Street Fighter IV is legitimately one of my favorite games ever. It's a game that I personally grew a bond with over time. No, it's probably not the best fighting game ever, or the most content-rich, or as universally appealing as SF2, but I really don't care about those things. It just really works for me, and that's all that matters.
For the most part I agree, but it's no secret that I prefer 3rd Strike over USF4. There's a lot less BS to put up with in 3rd Strike than USF4. And because of the parry mechanic, every character is viable (I'm scared of Twelve/Q just as much as I am scared of Makoto.... GOD she gives me nightmares) except when it comes to higher levels of play, whereas in USF4, at an intermediate level you can begin to see whose stronger than who. FADC's are nowhere near as good as parries. Some characters FADC's are garbage compared to others (Don't get me started of Red Focus) and then the 1-frame links can be quite the obstacle as well.
With that said, for me there would be no 3rd Strike without SSF4. My main is Dudley, that goes without saying. Back when SF3 first came out, much like everyone else, I glossed over it and went to the Alpha series because I didn't care for any of the characters. And in AE2012, I basically spent that entire version searching for a character because I was going through such a character crisis (let alone, a game crisis. Switching between UMvC3 and SSF4AE2012). And then I saw Smugdabeast's play Dudley. Actually rewind, first I saw a Japanese player by the name of HJMxP playing Dudley and he showed off the combos, and that opened my eyes. Then I saw Smug styling on people and he got me hooked. Then I tried Dudley out in training mode and I'm like yoooo, this is the character I've been looking for all along. Went back to 3rd Strike and watched videos of Kokujin's Dudley, hooked me even more, and extra points because most of Dudley's colors to his outfit are too sick (Red and black all the way) not to mention he's a gentleman and his moves were from Hajime no Ippo (When people say find a character that fits you, Dudley is that dude for me).
Now in terms of everything else. I think outside of Metal Gear Solid 3 and Final Fantasy 8, I've put in most of my time playing SF4. Even till this day USF4 still sees playtime from me mainly because I'm not ready to let it go. I've spent so much time in training mode as Ryu and Dudley trying to work on execution back then. Nowadays I'm working on my fundamentals (Spacing, footsies and whiff punishing. Eventually I'll get to frame traps lol).
Nobody posted this yet? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2Fo3Ip5Myc)
Vicarious Visions did a terrific job. I can't wait to try them out again.
Didn't know it was already out!
For some reason I kind of like the old PS1 graphics more. I'll definitely buy this, though! :el_hail:
I really can't stress enough how amazing of a game Nioh is. It has by far surpassed all of my expectations, and is my favorite game in years.
One thing to note, though, is that this really isn't an RPG. While the sub-missions can be tackled out of order as you unlock them, all of the main story missions progress in a linear fashion. That isn't to say that the levels themselves are linear, as they are incredibly well designed with stuff like shortcuts, alternate paths, and tons of hidden secrets. However the story progression and order of main events play out exactly one way.
That said, this is an incredibly deep hack n' slash character action game with extensive RPG elements in regard to how varied and diverse your character builds can be due to an extensively nuanced leveling system. This is EXACTLY what I wanted. As you all know I'm not really to big on RPGs, and I was afraid that this game would be more focused on that than on combat, but this game has some of the best combat in any game that I've ever played in any genre. That said it's a case of you getting out what you put into the game. You could cheese your way through by spamming buffs and debuffs and only sticking to one weapon and specific combos, and the game would feel monotonous. However, if you love to experiment with the plethora of options that this game gives you, the sheer amount that you can discover will astonish you. Like, for example, every single enemy in this game has a guarenteed way that you can critical them, rather than it just being a random number generated thing, and every weapon has specific attacks that can land you each of those criticals when used at the right moments. That right there is excellent game design, and the game never needs to tell you about it by prompting you with a QTE or something of the sort. I simply picked it up as I went through the game, got suck at certain parts, died over and over again, and experimented with different options until it finally clicked with me that I could do his upon nailing criticals a few times by accident and noticing what each of those attacks had in common in regard to where I hit the enemy whenever it happened or what types of attacks I was using in specific stances for each particular weapon.
I'm still not finished with the game yet. I'm currently half-way through the fifth region and there are six in total. Keep in mind that I'm a very slow player, and I am also stopping to complete every single sub-mission along the way, but this is definitely a very meaty game with tons of length to it.
Overall, once I beat this I will still be going back to replay the shit out of it with different builds, and it'll easily rank as one of my favorite games in the hack n' slash genre.
I'm trying to get pumped for Universal's upcoming Nintendo stuff, and as all signs are pointing to Mario Kart and Donkey Kong Country rides, I was trying to look up the best games from both respective franchises to invest my free time to. The general consensus for Mario Kart is that 8 is tops, and is just as good on the Switch as the Wii-U original (which is good, since I plan to get a Switch first), while just checking Donkey Kong as a franchise showed mixed results, but 2 seems to be the overall winner for DKC.
Do you agree on those?
Tropical Freeze and 2 are the best DKC games. After that you can play any of the other three. All the 2D DKC games are great. Donkey Kong 94 and the original Mario Vs. Donkey Kong are the best non-DKC games in the series.
Yeah, the consensus seems to be that Tropical Freeze is a close second to DKC 2, and that 3 is underrated. The first is great, but I do think that 2's an improvement, and Returns was a nice revival, but it got a bit frustrating IMO. I also hear that the 3DS version was superior, is that true?
Also, let's not even consider 64.
Returns 3D has bonus levels and no shake to roll controls. It also has more options for the shop which add things the original should have had like a guard that adds two hits per mine cart level. The trade off is that it's locked at 30fps as opposed to the Wii's 60fps.
It depends on what you'd prefer. I personally like the 3DS version way more.
That sounds pretty cool! I did like Returns on the Wii, but this sounds like an improvement worth checking out when I get to a 3DS.
Get Tropical Freeze. It's the greatest 2D platformer I've ever played. It will never leave my top 10 games of all time and I think about it at least once a week, no joke.
I should try the 3DS version of Returns sometime. I adored most of the game but waggling to roll was terrible and the rocket barrel levels/final world made me tear my hair out. That combined with the underwhelming (though not bad) music makes it inferior to DKC 1 and 2 IMO. Not a huge fan of 3 but it's definitely underrated and the soundtrack is a lot better than people give it credit for.
DK64 isn't a good game but the first two worlds are fun enough and might be worth a go if you're feeling like a pseudo-completionist. DK94 (the Game Boy game) is a classic, one of the best puzzle games out there. Mario vs. Donkey Kong 1 is a pretty decent sequel to it but its followups are rather mundane Lemmings clones.
DKC3 on the GBA adds a whole new world and a soundtrack by David Wise. IMO, that adds a lot to its status in the series. Of the original trilogy, it's the most gimmicky, but it's great when it's a platformer.
Whether you're playing on SNES or GBA though, it's a platformer well worth playing.
I'm not entirely sure when I posted in this thread, but I'll update it.
1 - Shenmue
2 - Ultra Street Fighter 4 / Street Fighter 3: 3rd Strike
3 - Metal Gear Solid 4 : Guns of the Patriots
4 - Mass Effect 2
5 - Persona 5
6 - Uncharted 3
7 - Devil May Cry 3
8 - Halo Reach
9 - Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
10 - Gears of War 2
I know most MGS fans love either MGS1 or MGS3, and while I can appreciate MGS1 I can never really go back to play it because I initially started off with MGS2 then moved onto MGS3. By the time I tried to go back and play MGS1 the controls were already ingrained in my muscle memory. I could never shoot while NOT being in FPV, so those that do the hold ups, much respect lol. Anyway, I know MGS4 is frowned upon, but I loved every bit of it. The long cut scenes (which is why I have no problem with games like Uncharted), Drebin's shop, and the camo. Most thought it was too easy, and they're probably right, but I love to feel dominant even if it's not earned lol.
I know almost the majority love Ocarina of Time, and while I'm no different, I like Majora's Mask a tad bit more, if only for Fierce Deity Link. I don't really give credit to Nintendo or Zelda, but one thing I have to give them credit for here is that the world sucks you in. For Shenmue 1&2 there is a serene-like feel to that series even though it's a revenge game, but that serene feel calms me down. Here in Majora's Mask I just felt the world was fun.
Persona 5. Talk about a game catching you off guard. Lemme see. The MegaTen games, on one hand I've always wanted to try them out, but on the other I stay away from. Being a Christian, I tend to get in my own head, and the way Shin Megami Tensei usually present their games is in a more apocalyptic setting. Me and apocalyptic don't mesh well lol. Zombie apocalypse is whatever, but when you start throwing in names from the bible you got me side stepping a little bit. What I like about Persona 5's presentation is that it didn't feel like that at all even though it's certainly there. The demons/personas while not on the creepy side, some still look like the "I don't want to xxxx with you" type. Then you got one where you question the people of Japan (If you play it you're going to question Japan. Don't know if it's in other MegaTen games or not). If there's one thing I want from this series is to be able to create my own character.
Favorite fighting game character(s)
1 - Dudley - USF4, 3rd Strike
2 - Guy - USF4, Alpha
3 - Johnny - Guilty Gear
4 - Jin - Tekken
5 - Hwoarang - Tekken
6 - Ryu - Street Fighter
7 - Sol Badguy - Guilty Gear
8 - Makoto - USF4, 3rd Strike
9 - K' - King of Fighters
10 - Terry Bogard - King of Fighters
MGS4 has the best core stealth mechanics of all the Metal Gear games except 5 (which has much worse level design), so I think, purely from a gameplay standpoint, it's a respectable opinion, even if most of the (insufferable) fans would be angry at you for having it. ;) Personally, I like the MSX games and the Game Boy Color one the most, along with 3 and Rising. If 5 had been like Ground Zeroes all the way through, not only would it have been my favorite in the series, it would easily be one of my favorite games in general. Oh well.
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I honestly don't think MGS1 has aged well at all. I loved it as a kid but I simply can't enjoy it anymore.
I have still never played Shenmue, though I hear the Yakuza series (which I love with all my heart) is basically its spiritual successor. Getting copies of the first two games is nigh-impossible these days, so I hope Sega does remasters of them. I've wanted to try them forever.
I also love Majora's Mask more than Ocarina of Time, though OoT is still great of course. My secret Zelda shame is that I recently replayed Link to the Past and didn't like it much at all despite finding Link Between Worlds to be one of this decade's greatest games. Go figure.
Persona is somewhat different from the core SMT series. The religious and apocalyptic elements are toned way down, and the whole bit where P5 is critical of Japan as a society is mostly exclusive to that game (though there are elements of it in P2 as well).
I think my current favorite games would be:
1. Nier / Nier Automata
2. Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando / Up Your Arsenal / A Crack In Time
3. Resident Evil 4
4. Lisa
5. Prey (2017)
6. Saints Row IV
7. Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze
8. Ninja Gaiden Black
9. Fallout: New Vegas
10. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
I really need to replay God Hand soon. I feel like it should be on this list but I haven't touched it since, I dunno, early high school? Gotta give that masterpiece a go again. F.E.A.R. has only just barely dropped off. I still love it to death, but I've probably played it over 20 times now, so I don't think about it nearly as often anymore. :il_hahaha: I think I slightly prefer Blood these days anyway.
To be honest, while I'm sure they're out there I've never ran into a morbid MGS fan. Compared to other fandoms I've always thought that the MGS fandom was on the tame side, but nevertheless, considering the times we're in I'm fairly certain that they'd bite me head off. And talk about a way for Konami to win back some people. Remake the MGX series using MGS5 style of gameplay, for me, all would be forgiven (did I ever mention I'm not loyal ;D)
I never knew Shenmue had the support that it had until Shenmue 3 was announced at E3. An HD remake/remaster is begging to be made. Get on it Sega. I also heard that Yakuza is like a spiritual successor to Shenmue. I may get around to them someday.
lol at everyone who is mad at MGS 4's skippable cutscenes. It's my favorite game in the series and was my favorite game ever for years. Still need to play 1 though.
Hideki Kamiya posted on Twitter (in Japanese) that the success of Nier Automata "saved the company" and he "cannot thank Yoko Taro enough" for his work with Platinum Games. Apparently they were struggling to find new hires (and likely financially) due to the failures of TMNT & Star Fox and the cancellation of Scalebound, making the future of the studio uncertain, but that's all in the past now. Funny that the sequel to the game that killed Cavia saved Platinum; I love it even more now!
Is that even possible?
I would say 10 of my favorite games are
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
Tales of Symphonia
Sonic Heroes
Super Mario World
Chrono Trigger
Final Fantasy VI
Donkey Kong Country
Sonic Adventure 2: Battle
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Mike Tyson's Punch Out
Also, being my favorite console, I might as well do my favorite Gamecube games (in no order)
SpongeBob SquarePants: Battle for Bikini Bottom
Super Smash Bros. Melee
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
Tales of Symphonia
Sonic Adventure 2: Battle
Sonic Heroes
Mario Kart: Double Dash
Sonic Mega Collection
Viewtiful Joe
Lego Star Wars II: The Original Trilogy
Pikmin 2
Luigi's Mansion
Sonic Adventure DX
Shadow the Hedgehog
Sonic Gems Collection
Sonic Riders
Animal Crossing
Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
Lego Star Wars: The Video Game
Pikmin
DOOM coming to the Switch. Sure I've already played it, but that is awesome. It was the one Bethesda game I actually wanted to be re-released, and for a portable console at that!
Tagline should be "RIP and TEAR on the GO!" Maybe a pun-tastic live action commercial about people working in an office building to advertise it.
And the Switch is also getting Wolfenstein II. Man, Bethesda really pulling out all the stops here.
There's a demo on the eshop for Octopath Traveler. I'll give it a play and post my impressions in another thread.
I'm replaying The Evil Within to prepare for the sequel next week and three years later my opinion on this game still hasn't changed. It's quite janky and a probably a bit too difficult at times but I really do love it. I can see why some would find the early levels frustrating with their focus on stealth over action, but I could go on for pages about how Chapter 3 is a masterclass of game design, and once you hit the second half of Chapter 5 it really does feel like the true sequel to Resident Evil 4. I'm on Chapter 7 right now, which is one of my favorite parts of the game, and it's so good. I hope the sequel can live up to it, but considering that it's not directed by Mikami himself and that I've heard rumblings of "open world," I'm not expecting too much. Hopefully I'll be proven wrong!
I've been binging through gameplay video after gameplay video of Cuphead. This game is such a delight to watch. It takes such a familiar aesthetic and reinvigorates it with new life. I'd love to see what the creators will do next.
I need to get Cuphead. I love the art/animation and I have been waiting for a shoot em up platformer lke this for awhile now.
My friend gifted me a copy of Cuphead on Steam and I played most of World 1 last night. I love it so far! The artwork and animation are ridiculously good, the soundtrack is amazing, and the gameplay is super smooth & a lot of fun. It's pretty damn hard but not particularly frustrating on most occasions. The game is mostly boss fights but that's totally fine since said boss fights are some of the best I've ever played. I did expect something more like Metal Slug but I'm definitely not complaining. GOTY contender for sure.
Quote from: Foggle on October 06, 2017, 10:25:21 AM
My friend gifted me a copy of Cuphead on Steam and I played most of World 1 last night. I love it so far! The artwork and animation are ridiculously good, the soundtrack is amazing, and the gameplay is super smooth & a lot of fun. It's pretty damn hard but not particularly frustrating on most occasions. The game is mostly boss fights but that's totally fine since said boss fights are some of the best I've ever played. I did expect something more like Metal Slug but I'm definitely not complaining. GOTY contender for sure.
Coincidentally, I also got Cuphead last night and played through World 1! My praises are pretty much the same as yours. I love this game so much, and I can't wait to play more!
I haven't been playing many games lately besides that. I got Rayman Legends on my Switch a few weeks ago since I never beat it on Wii U, and that's been really fun. I also got an SNES Classic last week and decided to re-play Donkey Kong Country on it. Maybe it's the fact that I haven't played it in a while, but it's way easier than I remember. King K Rool especially felt too easy for a final boss. How did I have so much trouble beating him as a kid? ???
Cuphead is a bastard of a game, but it's tons of fun. Nothing better than finally beating some cartoony boss after they've been kicking your ass for an hour.
Been playing the hell out of the Metal Slug series again recently. Man, the pre-Playmore era games were just perfection. There are arcade perfect releases of 1-3 (and X) out for modern consoles (PS4, Switch, XB1) now; they're part of a series called ACA NEOGEO and I highly recommend them! The PS4 also has an older arcade perfect release of 3 which is on sale for <$4 right now and features online play, as well as an emulated version of Metal Slug Anthology - which isn't perfect, as the games feature some input lag and run a bit differently than they should, but it's also the only way to play 4-6 on current hardware. I honestly really like every game in the main series, even 4. Metal Slug XX is getting a remaster for PS4 this summer too!
Anyway, the main reason I made this post is because I was curious about playing GunForce 2 again (which is basically Metal Slug 0 for those who don't know), and I found out there actually is an official release of it on PC as part of something called IREM Arcade Hits (http://playism-games.com/game/55/irem-arcade-hits)! I haven't bought it yet so I can't vouch for the emulation quality but I'm happy there's an easy and legal way to play this great game finally. :)
Favorite Fighting Games
01 - Street Fighter 3: Third Strike
02 - Ultra Street Fighter 4
03 - Guilty Gear XX: Accent Core Plus R
04 - Marvel vs Capcom 2
05 - Guilty Gear Xrd Revelator 2
06 - Street Fighter Alpha 2
07 - Street Fighter x Tekken
08 - Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3
09 - Street Fighter 5: Arcade Edition
10 - King of Fighter 13
I've yet to play any of the BlazBlue games and Under Night in Birth is another game I'm looking to get into. Not to mention that Street Fighter x Tekken has a special place in my heart (good chance Tekken 7 will be coming off this list)
DBFz was on here, but considering how I like my fighting games it don't belong on my list.
Edit: Alright now I got some much needed rest so I can give some sort of explanation.
1st off, SFxT, like I said has a soft spot in my heart because it's basically SF4 with Tekken characters added in. (I hate the idea that you're paying for colors, but it's pretty much the same thing people are doing now) I don't think this game has been fully fleshed out like USF4 has been. Take Dudley for instance. In USF4 there were so many ways for him to confirm or frame trap you until people started thinking he was broken (even though it was only Smug), but nobody has ever tested to see if those same combos/frame traps worked in SFxT. Most of the time you just saw people going for the same combo (no problem with that, but it certainly got boring after a while).
I think I've talked about 3rd Strike and USF4 enough so I won't bother with those. Street Fighter Alpha 2 on the other hand, well that's where most of my fun moments came from against my brother. We had some epic back and forth matches as he played Adon/Rolento while I played Guy/Ryu. At the time my Ryu couldn't be touched but as Guy we kept trading wins/losses. I think we were playing this either on the Saturn or the PS1 and this was pretty much the final time I would play a Street Fighter game until 2010 (I was introduced to Alpha 3 and SSF4)
The Guilty Gear's and the Marvel's. I love the freedom these games allow (which is why there is still room for the BlazBlue's and the Under Nights). There's more freedom in Guilty Gear (and I think BlazBlue) than the Marvel games because of movement and, well, command normals and whatnot, but there's still some freedom in the Marvel games. I think Guilty Gear XX2 has a leg up on Marvel 2 because of its freedom (I don't think any game will beat Marvel 2's roster). Johnny for instance. Satou and DC (I think that's his name) are 2 of the best Johnny players but you can the difference between the 2 because of the style of play despite GG being a rushdown heavy game.
All the games except SF5 and KoF13 are like that, I just think GG does it better than the rest. As for KoF13. I got nothing for you. Thought I'd give it a mention because of Evo2012.
Tekken 7 gets a section by itself because I'm thinking of taking it off for Tekken 3. Only reason I haven't is because I barely remember it despite remembering having a blast playing it. Bandai Namco did a lot of things right, but messed up in a lot of other areas. There are so many characters that I like I would never have an issue trying to figure out who'd I pick up as a main. That being said, it's incomplete. I don't know what BN were doing prior to the 2 years before releasing the game, but like SF5, it came out incomplete and the fact that it was swept under the rug is mind boggling. No tutorial is a big problem. If there were no guides on Youtube already a lot of people would be screwed, especially since you got people in the community saying this is the hardest Tekken has ever been.
Now the dark horse. Street Fighter 5: Arcade Edition over Street Fighter 2. I'm gonna tell it like it is. I don't play Street Fighter 2 at all. Yes it got me started, no I don't pay homage (if it were a "best" list, maybe) when it comes to my games. Do I respect the oldies? Yes. Will I ever go back to where it all began? HELLLLL NO! That being said, Street Fighter 5: Arcade Edition, good God the community is toxic, and despite not having a main, the game is still fun. I do wish that Capcom would stop taking away the fun stuff (resets, setups). That's the stuff I'm like learning.
Smooth Edit: For Street Fighter x Tekken purposes.
Edit 2:
If I were to update my actual favorite games list
Quote from: Me
01 - Shenmue
02 - Ultra Street Fighter 4 / Street Fighter 3: 3rd Strike
03 - Metal Gear Solid 4 : Guns of the Patriots
04 - Mass Effect 2
05 - Persona 5
06 - Uncharted 3
07 - Devil May Cry 3
08 - Halo Reach
09 - Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
10 - Gears of War 2
01 - Street Fighter 3: 3rd Strike
02 - Metal Gear Solid 5: Phantom Pain
03 - Shenmue
04 - Mass Effect 2
05 - Ninja Gaiden Black / Ninja Gaiden 2
06 - Nioh
07 - Devil May Cry 4: Special Edition
08 - Persona 5
09 - Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
10 - Halo Reach / Halo 3
Honestly, I can probably bring Shenmue all the way down to 5-10 now since that's there for nostalgia and I'm not so sure it'll hold up today. Also, I can easily replace Persona 5 with Chrono Trigger, Final Fantsdy 8 and/or Final Fantasy 4. I've just been in the moment for quite some time with P5.
My favorite fighting games:
1. Ultra Street Fighter IV
2. Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike
....and that's pretty much it.
I like plenty of other fighting games, but these are the only two that I will always eventually come back to. I really like DBFZ, but I'll need to give it a few years to see if it stands the test of time.
My top 5 is pretty straightforward.
Garou: Mark of the Wolves
Real Bout Fatal Fury Special
Soul Calibur
Rival Schools: United by Fate
Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom
If you have a PS4 and a PS Plus account, I wouldn't mind getting Garou again to play some online matches. I already own it for the XBOX360 but could never find anyone to play against online.
Plus, I have as n arcade stick for the PS4 anyways.
Quote from: Mustang on May 26, 2018, 10:01:29 PM
01 - Street Fighter 3: 3rd Strike
02 - Metal Gear Solid 5: Phantom Pain
03 - Shenmue
04 - Mass Effect 2
05 - Ninja Gaiden Black / Ninja Gaiden 2
06 - Nioh
07 - Devil May Cry 4: Special Edition
08 - Persona 5
09 - Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
10 - Halo Reach / Halo 3
Honestly, I can probably bring Shenmue all the way down to 5-10 now since that's there for nostalgia and I'm not so sure it'll hold up today. Also, I can easily replace Persona 5 with Chrono Trigger, Final Fantsdy 8 and/or Final Fantasy 4. I've just been in the moment for quite some time with P5.
Decided to update.
01 - Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
02 - Nioh
03 - Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
04 - Street Fighter 3: 3rd Strike
05 - Ninja Gaiden / Ninja Gaiden 2
06 - Devil May Cry 4: Special Edition
07 - Mass Effect 2
08 - Halo Reach
09 - Shenmue
10 - Final Fantasy 4
I won't say Breath of the Wild is perfect, but I think it's pretty close to it. I don't mind the weapons breaking, but I would've preferred to be able to upgrade them somehow. I also would've liked to see maybe a little more dungeons, perhaps, or more guardians. Other than that this is how I'd like the Zelda games to be.
Nioh, again, not perfect, but close to it. I've said it time and time again that I hate stamina bars (despite me being curious about the Dark Souls series that stamina bar is what's keeping me from giving in) but in here it's what makes the game interesting. I think I'd like to see it more like Ninja Gaiden / 2. No ki pulse but keep the combat the same. Keep all the stance cancels to keep the combat deep enough and extend combos. Other than that this game is sick.
From a story perspective (or rather the way it's presented) MGS4 had me hooked from beginning to end. Gameplay perspective Phantom Pain is too good. It's unfortunate that Kojima had a fallout with Konami because I would love to see what PP would be like if it were complete.
I think I've explained the others enough.
Glad you really like Nioh. It's easily my favorite game of last year, and in general one of the few action titles that could really hold my attention from any game that came out this decade.
Team Ninja really fucked up with Ninja Gaiden 3, to the point where I had lost complete faith in them and didn't think that they could ever win me back. This game basically restored them to their former glory in one go, which is an amazing feat in and of itself.
Speaking of Nioh, I just got it in the mail today! :) Imported the Complete Edition for around $35. Last year was probably my favorite year in gaming since maybe 2010 and I'm excited to play what is likely the best title I missed out on.
Hope you enjoy it! :joy:
There's a bit of a learning curve but don't hesitate to ask for any tips. The game is actually a bit easier than Souls/Bloodborne, IMO, once you grasp some of it's more useful mechanics.
I remember not having too much trouble with the alpha demo, which was supposedly harder than the full game, except for the lightning cat boss which took me something like 6 hours and made me want to die, so hopefully I'll be okay! I don't think the ki pulse mechanic was in yet, though, which I remember having trouble grasping during my brief attempt at playing the beta demo. But yeah, I'll ask for help if I need it!
Not sure if I'll get to start it for a while unfortunately, but hopefully soon. :D
It's the small attention to detail that really sells me on Nioh. Low stance for both the katana and spear when dodging to the left and right, you see William add a spin. That spin to me looks too sick when you're actually dodging attacks. Take it to a fighting game perspective (mainly Street Fighter, or Street Fighter 4 to be exact). When you see good movement / spacing / fundamentals it becomes a treat to watch or partake in. Same thing here for Nioh when it comes to that movement and you take control of a fight. So good. DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THEM TONFA'S. Talk about gushing lol.
If William would've wiped the blood off his katana before sheathing it I would lose my mind XD (with a rag or his sleeve)
Quote from: Mustang on November 19, 2018, 05:41:17 PMIt's the small attention to detail that really sells me on Nioh. Low stance for both the katana and spear when dodging to the left and right, you see William add a spin. That spin to me looks too sick when you're actually dodging attacks. Take it to a fighting game perspective (mainly Street Fighter, or Street Fighter 4 to be exact). When you see good movement / spacing / fundamentals it becomes a treat to watch or partake in. Same thing here for Nioh when it comes to that movement and you take control of a fight. So good. DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THEM TONFA'S. Talk about gushing lol.
In general, I love the animation loops in Team Ninja games. Even their older games put most modern games to shame in this regard. Even in the first Ninja Gaiden on the XBOX, Ryu's movements were so fluid and precise, in addition to how the enemies and bosses moved (with maybe a few exceptions), which made every successful attack, block, or dodge maneuver feel so natural without needing to use something as gimmicky as a QTE to achieve that kind of cinematic flair. Even bad Team Ninja games like Ninja Gaiden 3 still have gorgeous looking animations. In fact, those animations hold up so well that if you pay attention, Nioh, a game from 2017, still recycles certain animations that were used way back in 2004's Ninja Gaiden (the sword stab from the back is a prime example of this).
With Nioh in particular, though, I love how William's movements in particular will vary in both small and subtle as well as large and noticeable ways depending on the weapon that he's using or how heavy his armor set is. Like, with the axe, for example, they don't just carbon-copy his katana motions but instead create all new animations for his arms to take longer arching swings, whereas the tonfas (which I love) use realistic elbow-based movements. By far, though, the dual katanas are godly, especially with their version of the parry maneuver. I love parry mechanics in general, and parrying with the dual katanas is one of the most satisfying examples of that mechanic in all of gaming for me.
Another great aspect of the animations, though, is not just William's movements, but also how the enemies move. All different enemy types and bosses have unique and easily identifiable offensive and defensive maneuvers, and in particular this game does enemy tells in a way that actually kind of manages to outmatch other top-tier titles in the genre like Bayonetta and Dark Souls. Whether the telegraphing is quick and minor or slow and obvious, it never feels unfair when an enemy lands a blow on you because there was always a clear visual cue of what they were about to do (in addition to clear audio cues, as well). This is something that they forgot about in Ninja Gaiden, starting with some bosses in NG2 and arguably getting even worse in the third game. Glad they they rediscovered their gameplay design roots in that regard. Additionally, though, the way that enemies react to and sell your attacks is also another hallmark of what makes Team Ninja animations such a cut above the rest. Like, just throwing a shuriken at a normal human enemy has them come half-way to doubling over as they clutch their stomach in pain. It's a quick animation so that they can recover quickly, but just that much effort put into that little detail really makes even the smallest and seemingly most insignificant of weapons feel like it has some use and power behind it. In general, though, the way enemies reel back to different degrees depending on the severity of the attack helps add layers of satisfaction to the combat that many other action titles just don't have.
QuoteIf William would've wiped the blood off his katana before sheathing it I would lose my mind XD (with a rag or his sleeve)
The one thing from Ninja Gaiden 2 that they didn't recycle. It would be so perfect for this game. :D
Yakuza 3 hit the PS4 yesterday with a completely redone English translation and all the cut content from the PS3 version restored! Yakuza 4 is coming in October and Yakuza 5 is coming in February along with a physical release of all three. This means that, in only six months' time, the entire main series will be available on the PS4, including the new pseudo-sequel Judgment.
I can't believe how far this series has come in the west. I'm so happy! :swoon:
Quote from: Mustang on November 17, 2018, 11:06:40 PM
Decided to update.
01 - Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
02 - Nioh
03 - Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
04 - Street Fighter 3: 3rd Strike
05 - Ninja Gaiden / Ninja Gaiden 2
06 - Devil May Cry 4: Special Edition
07 - Mass Effect 2
08 - Halo Reach
09 - Shenmue
10 - Final Fantasy 4
It's been a full year since I've done this. I probably could've went another year but I figured, what the heck, I'm bored anyway. And I like updating this from time to time
01 - Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
02 - Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
03 - Mass Effect 2
04 - Persona 5
05 - Ninja Gaiden 2
06 - Devil May Cry 4: Special Edition
07 - Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
08 - Nioh
09 - Final Fantasy 8
10 - Halo Reach
Decided to take fighting games off completely since they're so niche and I think that genre deserves it's own top 10.
So what happened? As much as I hate nostalgia, that's what happened pretty much. I went on down to memory lane (especially with Majora's Mask and FF8) and remembered how much I actually like those games. As I've stated once before, I want the whole nine in my games and MM still delivers and still keeps me entertained along with having fun in it's gameplay. I still go back and forth between DMC3 and DMC4, and what used to edge 3 over 4 for me was that I could play as Vergil, but he's in DMC4:SE along with Trish and Lady (who I'll never play as) so I don't really have much of a reason to go back to 3. With that being said, I only go to both NG2 and DMC4 for when I'm having a bad day or feeling like cutting ish up (I usually go to the Musou games for that too) so those might end up off the list some day (no time soon though).
Top 10 fighters inbound probably next weekend
I've actually been wanting to replay Halo Reach after it recently got re-release for the PC, but don't have a good enough PC to play it on.
I'll go back to any main series DMC game that isn't 2, but I'd still rank 3 as my favorite followed by 5 right after it. As much as I love style switching, I feel that 3 had the best overall game design out of any game in the series. My problem with 4 is that too many annoying gimmicks make it so that I rarely ever replay any of Dante's missions except for his second to last mission which is perfect since no bull-shit gets in the way of having fun with the combat. Either that or Bloody Palace mode. The time limits and stupid grabboid enemies (among other things) really hold me back from just getting to enjoy the combat for what it is.
Cool to still see NG2 on there. I'll always be biased toward NGB, but you can't go wrong with either of the first 2 games.
And speaking of Nioh, did you ever get around to beating it? I can't remember how far you got the last time you posted about it, but I recall you being around the halfway mark several months back, which is the last time I heard your progress on it. Some of the best content actually comes post-game, though.
Nope, I think I last left off beating the bug boss and on my way to Umibozo. It wasn't at any fault of the game either, but like other games for me, gets shafted for fighting games.
Quote from: Mustang on May 26, 2018, 10:01:29 PM
Favorite Fighting Games
01 - Street Fighter 3: Third Strike
02 - Ultra Street Fighter 4
03 - Guilty Gear XX: Accent Core Plus R
04 - Marvel vs Capcom 2
05 - Guilty Gear Xrd Revelator 2
06 - Street Fighter Alpha 2
07 - Street Fighter x Tekken
08 - Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3
09 - Street Fighter 5: Arcade Edition
10 - King of Fighter 13
UPDATE
01- Street Fighter 3: Third Strike
02- Ultra Street Fighter 4
03- Marvel vs Capcom 2
04- Street Fighter x Tekken
05- Guilty Gear Xrd Rev2
06- Tekken 7
07- King of Fighters XIII
08- Guilty Gear XXAC+R
09- Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3
10- ????
Obviously the big change is xTekken to #4. Been going to the locals recently and getting back into that game has been a blast. I still like Capcom's implementation of the Tekken characters. A lot of the characters just felt good. Till this day (same can be said for any old game) new tech is still being discovered.
As of 12-24-2019, #10 is still up in the air and I've removed SF5 completely. Don't get me wrong, the game is fun and despite my hate for the community and E-League, it's a good game (it took Capcom's fighting division a while, but the game bounced back quite nicely), but I don't have any attachment to the characters and for me that's costly, because at that point I'm no longer having fun. I thought Zeku and Laura would be those characters that fill the void because of no Dudley, but they aren't. Anyway, with Granblue Fantasy Versus coming out and I've yet to dabble with Under Night, BlazBlue CF, and BlazBlue Tag like I really want (let alone Garou and CVS2) so I'll leave the 10 slot open for now.
Sorry, another list, but I just like seeing opinions of others change (if they've have changed) throughout. There's been a lot of decade talk as of late. The last one I left off on was IGN, but they have a long list going through each year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykqKtbXret0
Max went with fighting game of the decade and while I do respect it, I do have a little problem with it. The bulk of the games that he did not choose is kind of the reason why he receives a lot of criticism in the 1st place. He does admit that he has not played a lot of those games due to him not being into them, however, since going on this Terry crusade he's been revisiting a lot of the KOF games and decided to put KOF13 in there. No problem with that whatsoever. My only critic to fix that is to do the same with other titles that haven't been played just to make it a little more fair. That being said, I do respect his choices.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyMngFPFUt8
The Playstation Access crew on the other hand went from year by year. I have to do some research first and then I'll edit this.
So everyone's favorite, IGN, just released a list of the top 10 action games of all time: https://youtu.be/FlUWXdzxZO4
Now, let me just start off by saying that, right before I got to their #1 spot, I found this to be a surprisingly respectable list considering the kinds of journalists actually making it. Hell, I give them massive credit for including Vanquish on the list, which most people wouldn't even think to consider as a character action game before categorizing it as a TPS, but I fully support it's inclusion on a list like this. MGR is a good choice as well, but I wouldn't put it higher than both Bayonetta games and Vanquish, myself.
You all know I'm not a God of War guy, but I won't throw a fit over including one of the older titles on this list....key words being "older titles" in this case....
Ninja Gaiden Black and 2, as well as DMC 3 and 5 also got fair representation, here, and I'm especially glad to see Black in their top 3 (as it should be).
Then I got to their number one pick, and I'm not going to say it here because I want you all to watch it and would like to know if you facepalmed as hard as I did....
Just keep in mind, not only did this game make it onto this list over titles like The Wonderful 101, Viewtuful Joe, Zone of the Enders 2, God Hand, Astral Chain, Shinobi, Onimusha, or any number of other potential titles; it also made it as the greatest action game of all time, according to IGN. It's funny how it took me only a few seconds to remember why I can't take IGN seriously anymore.
Of course it was that lmao :il_rope:
I had to internally chuckle when he said that it's an "evolution of the genre."
And I've played the game in full....it's actually genuinely clunky with more attacks hitting you from off screen than in Ninja Gaiden 2, but apparently it's the best that the genre has to offer somehow....
I haven't played it in full, but that's got to be a joke. It's entertaining at best, but far from the best action game. I'd probably say the bulk of that list is better than that game if we're talking pure combat. Crazy part about this is I actually like the game, but I hate bullshit like this because "the story" trumps everything else. I love story, but that shouldn't be the end all be all.
I would also argue that, presentation aside, the story has plenty of it's own issues, not the least of which involves most of Kratos's character development being off-screen from before the game's story takes place.
Sure, but even with those issues, I wouldn't exactly say any of the games on that list has a better story (admittedly, this could be me being enamored by the presentation), but I still stand by the notion that GoW is #1 only for its story even though IGN's trying to spin it as being a total package type.
I'd say DMC 3/5, Bayonetta and especially Metal Gear Rising have much better stories than what I've seen of God of War, but I will fully admit to being heavily biased against the type of narrative Dad of Boy is going for. Regardless it should not be anywhere near that list as it's not even in the same genre as far as I'm concerned. Might as well put Zelda, Soulsborne, Darksiders and Nioh if you're going to include it. And if nu God of War does count as a hack'n slash then I would still put titles like No More Heroes, Killer is Dead, God Hand and even a Musou (particularly Sengoku Basara) over it.
Fair enough, and I need to revisit MGR someday (along with Bayonetta). All I can remember is loving Jetstream Sam. Everything else with other games, I 100% agree with you. GoW shouldn't be on this list, but I'd excuse it, just not in front of these other games.
01 - Metal Gear Solid series
02 - The Legend of Zelda series
03 - Mass Effect series
04 - Halo series
The pinnacle. I expect greatness when it comes to these games here. I can always go back to these games and still have a blast playing them. These games probably won't ever come off the list. I hold these games in an echelon where very few can get in so when I saw how disappointing Mass Effect Andromeda turned out it hit me pretty hard, and started a downward spiral for every other game after it.
05 - Nioh series
When it comes to these type of games this is probably my preferred way to play these days. I do wish there was a jump button but whatever. I'm still not fond of the stamina bar, but I'm kinda over it these days.
06 - Ninja Gaiden series
07 - Devil May Cry series
08 - Batman Arkham series
Will always be in my heart. But these days for these kind of games it's one and done. Replay value is there but I'm not looking to get better or trying to attain high ranks and whatnot.
09 - Assassin's Creed series
10 - Uncharted series
In it specifically for its story and nothing more. Anyway, 5-10 depending on my mood can be interchangeable or can come off if I ever find a series that I enjoy more. I didn't mention Persona or Trails of Cold Steel which can takeover the 5th-6th spot but I only played 1 or 2 games in the series.
Will probably do a fighting game list update in a bit.
I wanted to toy around with my new blog today, and I decided to look through Easy Allies Hall of Greats titles (https://letterdrop.com/@avaitor/lets-talk-about-vidya-games-part-1), and go through my general feelings on them.
I'll do a second part later this week, but this is a good start. Have you played through any of these titles?
So I found this greatest games of all time list (https://www.popularmechanics.com/culture/gaming/g134/the-100-greatest-video-games-of-all-time/?slide=1).
I don't hate it! The top half isn't full of recent AAA titles that'll be forgotten in two year's time like a lot of these lists tend to do, so that's cool. Most of the titles that make it that high more or less deserve it.
But I don't love it, either. This is super full of the usual suspects. It seems like most lists have a Mario and a Zelda in the top 2, and add at least 2 of the Big 3 SNES games (Super Mario World, A Link to the Past, Super Metroid). And I mean, those games are just as good today as they were when they came out 30 years ago. Frankly, most of these choices feel... safe.
And I think that's what I want to avoid if possible when making a list like this. Part kill your masters, part think ahead. Yes, the classics are held to a standard for a reason, but it can't be hard to find less heralded series of equal or greater value, right? And similarly, think real hard about what's hot today, because tastes and standards change all the time, and what was cutting edge even just a few years ago isn't guaranteed to slap as hard today. As much as I loved it back in the day, for instance, I couldn't put GoldenEye in the top 10 now.
I don't have much of an issue with the so-called obvious choices being in their obvious spots of they are still well-deserved. Something like Super Metroid or Super Mario World are still as top-notch today as they were when they came out. That said, I do think that it's OK to have some more obscure or at least less popular choices in high positions if they genuinely deserve it and not just to stand out from other lists. Like, I'd a million times have Devil May Cry 5 represented for modern action games over the new God of War, and I'd back it up with my rationale as well. And in some cases we could keep a game from the same series in the same spot but challenge the norm with a different title from the series that we achieve does it better. Super Metroid is excellent, but maybe somebody could make a better case for Metroid: Zero Mission. Ocarina of Time and A Link to the Past are superb, but it could be argued that both of their respective direct sequels managed to surpass each of them individually (Majora's Mask and A Link Between Worlds). And hell, maybe go out on a limb and give F.E.A.R. a nod over Half-Life and Halo despite being a less influential title because of how perfectly that first game was executed (as in it offers a level of gameplay that no other title before or since can really match in style).
And it also wouldn't hurt to have some unique oddball choices that don't fit into the specific genre norms or at least happen to be extremely unique takes on their genre, such as a Katamari game or The Wonderful 101 as an action game representative. Titles that excel at what they do and just as importantly are arguably the only titles in the genre to even do what they do.
Yeah, about Hall of Greats. In the latest Hall of Greats (this past Tues.) Huber's "confessional" explained exactly why I stopped watching HoGs. All the fun was sapped out of it by roughly the 3rd year since EA started. The presentations and the games I have no problems with, but the actual voting is where I have a problem at. All the presentations go right out the window when you know everyone is going to vote for the obvious picks and at that point I'm like why even bother presenting anymore when you ignore that because _____ is/was the popular pick.
Quote from: ME01- Street Fighter 3: Third Strike
02- Ultra Street Fighter 4
03- Marvel vs Capcom 2
04- Street Fighter x Tekken
05- Guilty Gear Xrd Rev2
06- Tekken 7
07- King of Fighters XIII
08- Guilty Gear XXAC+R
09- Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3
10- ????
2021 Update
01 -
Street Fighter III 3rd StrikeI've said a billion times now. If it wasn't for USF4 there would be no 3rd Strike for me. Compared to other Street Fighter games this one plays completely different and I enjoy it. The parry system just makes everything else go nicely once you got parries down. There are low tiers in every fighting game, but in this one I'm scared to face them. Probably won't come out of the #1 spot ever.
02 -
Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3A complete 180 on this game since it's resurgence. Other people would tell you about the freedom this game allows and I agree to a degree. That being said this game is pure fun and chaotic when you actually get to play lol.
03 - Street Fighter x Tekken
04 - Guilty Gear XXACR+
05 - Guilty Gear Xrd Rev2
06 -
Ultra Street Fighter 4Will always be in my heart.
07 - Tekken 7
08 - Marvel vs Capcom 2
09 -
Dragon Ball FighterzLove hate relationship with this one. I will say I love this game now because of the recent changes. Made the game feel completely different compared to when it first came out.
10 - King of Fighters 13
As much as I love MvC2 I cannot make it any higher than 6 because I don't have access to the game. If this #FreeMvC2 actually happens and get released on newer consoles than I can, for sure, put back in top 4.
I'm a little bored so please excuse me. I'm updating both series and fighting games.
Quote from: me01 - Metal Gear Solid series
02 - The Legend of Zelda series
03 - Mass Effect series
04 - Halo series
05 - Nioh series
06 - Ninja Gaiden series
07 - Devil May Cry series
08 - Batman Arkham series
09 - Assassin's Creed series
10 - Uncharted series
01 - Metal Gear Solid series (Metal Gear Solid 4)
02 - Legend of Zelda series (Breath of the Wild)
03 - Mass Effect series (Mass Effect 2)
04 - Halo series (Halo 3)
I'm very tempted to put MGS5 as my favorite game of all time because I love how the game plays so much. But MGS4 etched it out because of some impactful moments. I shouldn't need to speak on BotW or ME2 anymore. As for Halo, Halo 3 and Reach honestly are neck and neck for my favorite Halo. Next week it can be Reach.
05 - The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel series (ToCS4)Now here's a new entry. I love Trails. I'm looking forward to getting my hands on Sky and Zero. This series is like you're playing an actual anime. That being said, the customizing they allow is just fun once you get the hang of everything (specifically ToCS4), and truth be told I still haven't gotten the hang of it. I enjoy the cast. There's not a single character that annoys me (1 borderline). The battle system is interesting. Formations and stuff fly over my head, but it's whatever.
06 - Persona series (Persona 5 Royal)It's about time this got on the list and truth be told it's really just P5R. I'd love for the older games to get ported to the newer consoles but whatever. I've seen enough of the older games to know that I would like them. Probably not as much as Trails, but it's there.
07 - Ninja Gaiden series (Ninja Gaiden 1)
08 - Nioh series
09 - Devil May Cry series (Devil May Cry 4: Special Edition)
10 - Assassin's Creed 2 series (Specifically Ezio series)
Not much else to say on this list.
Quote from: me01 - Street Fighter III 3rd Strike
02 - Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3
03 - Street Fighter x Tekken
04 - Guilty Gear XXACR+
05 - Guilty Gear Xrd Rev2
06 - Ultra Street Fighter 4
07 - Tekken 7
08 - Marvel vs Capcom 2
09 - Dragon Ball Fighterz
10 - King of Fighters 13
01 - Street Fighter III 3rd Strike
02 - BlazBlue Central FictionIt was just a matter of time. All I've been playing lately has been BlazBlue and have been enjoying every minute of it despite getting my ass handed to me in trials (and this is just trials). Haven't even gotten to the point of playing against other people yet (unfortunately, no PC yet)
03 - Ultra Street Fighter 4
04 - Guilty Gear X2 Accent Core +R
05 - Street Fighter x Tekken
06 - Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3
07 - Guilty Gear Xrd Rev 2
08 - Street Fighter 5 Championship EditionI've had a renewed interest in this game. I like where the game is now. It's tough to say if I have a character or not but I'm eyeballing Karin (of course), Ken and Zeku, but from what I can remember the game is fun and what I mean when I say the game is fun, I'm specifically talking about the game play (that's across everything I play). I'm not talking about how a game runs online. I'm talking specifically if I pick a character and push some buttons, I enjoy what they do. Did Capcom dumb it down from USF4, you better believe they did, but that's in response to all the complaining people did in USF4. So there's no more FADCs, but because this Street Fighter is a more aggressive Street Fighter is the reason I have fun with it. I do wish they left certain things alone (throw loops, unblockables, etc), but in the end it turned out to be a fine game.
09 - GranBlue Fantasy VersusThe simplest of simplest games to pickup and play. I've been using this game as a stepping stone to helping helping me develop footsies and work on my neutral.
10 - Street Fighter Alpha 3Yeah, my nephew helped me rediscover my love for the Alpha games. Cody and Karin all day.
Nice picks.
For some of those series, I can chime in on my own favorites:
Halo: Reach- This is an unpopular opinion but I honestly believe it has the best campaign mode in the entire series, with all levels being genuinely good. There isn't a single bad or sub-par level in this game, and the lack of Flood is only a bonus.
Devil May Cry 3: Special Edition- I recently got DMC5SE for the PS5, so this may change, but I have such a strong attachment to this game and it's combat. While DMC4 did bring even more layers of depth to the combat, I largely prefer the weapons from DMC3 as well as other more horror-themed tone to it's world and enemy design. Taking my own personal bias out of the equation, though, DMC5 is definitely the best overall game in the series.
Ninja Gaiden Black- It's my favorite version of the first game and still my personal favorite action game of all time.
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages/Seasons (2D Zelda)- I'm counting these as one game since technically the true ending to either requires you to play through both. These to me are the pinnacle of the top-down style gameplay of 2D Zelda games with arguably the best puzzles and some of the best dungeons in the entire franchise.
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (3D Zelda)- Yes, I know how popular it is to turn on thus game these days. I'll fully admit that there have been better games since this one. But when it comes to personal taste, this game still holds the most value for me, and I'd argue it actually holds up a lot better than I think some people realize, especially with the 3DS remake.
Nioh 2- Both games are pretty similar in quality, and while I do prefer a few aspects from the first game, I think Nioh 2 makes some small but pivotal tweaks to the combat, as well as adding more enemy variety, to keep the experience feeling just that little bit tighter, which is why I prefer it overall.
Got bored and thought I'd try my hand at a list like this. Basically I wanted to list my favorite games from every year since I was born. I'll try to stick to one per year but will list more if I basically think it's a tie. I also intend to cheat a little bit and list a later re-release of a game for a different year if I think that's the best version (but also sneakily to avoid having to exclude it from another year with very strong contenders). Anyways, here goes....
1989- Ninja Gaiden (NES)
1990- Super Mario World (SNES)
1991- The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (SNES)
1992- Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (Sega Genesis)
1993- Mega Man X (SNES)
1994- Super Metroid (SNES)
1995- Yoshi's Island (SNES); Donkey Cong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest (SNES)
1996- Super Mario 64 (N64); Metal Slug (Neo Geo); probably Quake takes it definitively if I ever get around to beating it
1997- Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (PS1); Star Fox 64 (N64)
1998- The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (N64)
1999- Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike (Arcade)
2000- The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (N64); Paper Mario (N64)
2001- Max Payne (XBOX), The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages/Seasons (GBC);
2002- Resident Evil Remake (GC); Metroid Prime (GC); The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (GC)
2003- Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (XBOX)
2004- Ninja Gaiden (XBOX); Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (PS2)
2005- Resident Evil 4 (GC); Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening (PS2)
2006- F.E.A.R. (XBOX 360); Yes, the PC version from the prior year is obviously going to be superior, but this is the version that I'm familiar with and it's still excellent
2007- The Orange Box (XBOX 360)
2008- Ninja Gaiden II (XBOX 360)
2009- Bayonetta (XBOX 360)
2010- Vanquish (XBOX 360); Alan Wake (XBOX 360)
2011- Sonic Generations (XBOX 360)
2012- Darksiders 2 (XBOX 360); To be honest, this is a bit of a stretch as I didn't necessarily love the game, but I honestly didn't play many other games from this year and what I did play to completion either disappointed me or left a lot to be desired
2013- The Wonderful 101 (Wii U); The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds (3DS)
2014- Bayonetta 2 (Wii U)
2015- Bloodborne (PS4)
2016- Titanfall 2 (XBOX ONE)
2017- Super Mario Odyssey (NS)
2018- Dragon Ball FighterZ (PS4)
2019- Devil May Cry 5 (PS4); Resident Evil 2 Remake (PS4)
2020- Nioh 2 (PS4)
2021- Marvel's Guardians of the Galaxy (PS4); Again, I just didn't play much from this year so consider this a placeholder (though I do really enjoy this game for what it is), but I'm sure Metroid Dread would easily take it once I finally get around to playing it
2022- Tunic (XBOX Series X); Signalis (XBOX Series X)
2023- Hi-Fi Rush (XBOX Series X); Resident Evil 4 Remake (XBOX Series X)
I wouldn't be able to do a list like that. There would be a lot of blank spaces. I do have a list coming though. I just bought Bayonetta 1-3 on the Switch and still have to get through the God of War games as well as the Nier games. So I got some adjustments to make. Fighting games will be on it and whatnot. Guess it'll be a definitive type of list in a way.
This could change at any time because my current mindset. FGC stuff kind of ruining moods and whatnot. Getting fed up with the community, but as of right now this is what my list at the moment.
01 - Street Fighter 3rd Strike / Ultra Street Fighter 4
It's about time I put this back in. The seperate list is mainly because it seems like fighting games will never be able to get into anything other than it's own category and, even if they did make a goaty list, it's always SF2. Anyway, Street Fighter has always been the #1 for me. It's also here to show that fighting games are first and foremost. I've spoken on both 3rd Strike and Ultra Street Fighter 4 so many times. I've even repeated how it was USF4 that got me into 3rd Strike (although it was Super Street Fighter 4: Arcade Edition at the time). There's really not much else for me to say. I do have a couple things, though. I don't hate it, but it feels strange seeing people say they like 3rd Strike today (especially on the media side of things) considering the amount of hate it got back then. Like, if you were to tell me you like USF4 I'd understand because of the resurgence that it did at the time. Hearing people say they like 3rd Strike almost feels like they're trying to be hip for some reason, like they're obligated to like it. It's weird. And then I'm seeing a lot more hate for USF4. I understand people have their issues with the game, but to call USF4 a bad game? Really now. It's subjective in the end, but lets be real. How often did you run into a Vortex character? There were more Ryu's than Akuma's. That's a fact. There were more Ken's than Ibuki's. Hell, I'd argue you would see more Balrogs, Bisons, and Sagats over most as well. The only legit Vortex I'll give you are Cammy (and Akuma, he is still a shoto)
02 - Metal Gear Solid 5/4
As I get older, I am starting to accept games for what they are (sort of). That being said, I'm leaning towards Metal Gear Solid 5 as my favorite. Anytime a game basically dumps you out on a playground and tell you "have fun" I'm for it, and MGS5 basically does that, does it so, to the point where I'm like "damn the story. I'm here just to play and have fun with the game". I will almost tell you that the story drags the game down, but because Kojima was rushed, and whatnot, well, we know the story. And then there's MGS4. I don't care what people say. Yes, Kojima is full of himself with these cutscenes but dammit, I love them. An hour worth of cutscenes and all. Screw you, it's still Metal Gear.
03 - Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild/ Majora's Mask
Of course, Tears will be here (once I get to it) considering what I've been hearing about this game.
04 - Ghost of Tsushima
So what happened for this to suddenly skyrocket up the list. First and foremost, I love all things samurai. It is my favorite genre (martial arts is right behind) in everything. I find the culture and history fascinating. No the combat is nowhere near as good as Ninja Gaiden or DMC, but it's good enough to keep me engaged. If I actually pay attention to story I'd prefer, but the presentation is where it's at for me. It's no God of War, but I like it. The characters are not Dante and Vergil (no one will ever compare to them outside of Sephiroth) but they don't have to be. Speaking of characters though, it's been a long time since I've been able to relate (even if its just a small bit) to a character. The last character I found myself relating to was Squall in Final Fantasy 8 and back then I was going through a phase, let alone getting over grief. Now I find myself relating to Jin a little bit. No where near the most exciting guy in the room, but does enough to stand out in his own way. Open world is a plus. Very long. Got my money's worth, and plus some. The exact same reason I had Batman: Arkham City listed at one point is the same reason. Anger management. Having a bad day? Pop the game on and cut some fools up or just take in the scenery. Drip factor as well. The clothes look good. I wish I could color them myself, but it's all good. Is it perfect? Absolutely not (Few hiccups and glitches here and there). Haven't had any crashes or whatever. But it's the perfect single player experience for me.
05 - Guilty Gear XX: Accent Core Plus R
06 - BlazBlue: Central Fiction / Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3
07 - Trails of Cold Steel 4
08 - Persona 5
09 and 10 are open spots.
Honorable Mentions
Ninja Gaiden
Devil May Cry 3 / Devil May Cry 4
Nioh
These games still have a shot to get on, but I have a backlog that consists of Nioh 2, Tears of the Kingdom, God of War 2018/Ragnarok, Nier Automata/Replicant, Bayonetta 1-3 as of right now, and I still have other fighting games that I have to get to as well. On top of that there are a few potential's right out the gate next year and I'm playing catch up on the Switch (I don't have it yet, but Astral Chain is on my list to get along with Fire Emblem Three Houses). I won't dwell on it too much but the gist of it is the type of games I've been gravitating towards lately. These are still great games but at this moment I want more in my games. I don't necessarily need a story, but if I'm captivated by it, that's a plus. Ninja Gaiden is still king when it comes to combat, and Devil May Cry 4 is the flashiest of them all, but like Vergil, "I NEED MORE POWER", but in my case, I just need more. It don't necessarily have to be open world, but if you can make it feel like it then that's better for me. Presentation is also whatever, but it ties in with story, but together with okay combat, and an attempt at customizing, well you see why the God of War's has a shot lol (on top of why Ghosts is in). Nioh is here because it could be a placeholder for Nioh 2. Nioh is probably the outlier to be honest. Team Ninja has proven that they can compete with anybody when it comes to combat, but everything else is lacking. I've had way more fun trying to fight the human size enemies than the giant demons (Rise of the Ronin is on high alert)
So what's happening here? What's going on to see such games that I've once held to such a high standard fall off? Games like Shenmue, Halo, and Mass Effect (although, ME is a different case) I once held as the pinnacle of games fallen to not being mentioned at all. Well, a couple of things. 1 My love for fighting games. 2 I'm not one that bases things off of nostalgia (If I did, you'd see games like Rock n Roll Racing, Saturday Slam Masters, Snake Rattle and Roll and Goldeneye007 since I have more fond memories of those games) or what influenced what. I'm all about can I still play and enjoy the way I want to here and now (be it retro or modern, I don't care. If I have access to something that lets me play it on what I currently have then I'd probably have something entirely different). That being said, retro has no chance LOL. Nah, let me be more precise. JRPG's from the SNES-Genesis days are the only games that have a chance. Halo on the other hand needs to do 1 thing and I'd be back on board. Go over the shoulder. I don't hate FPS's but I can't play nor watch them anymore. They cause me to get vertigo and weird headaches to the point where it's hard for me to deal with them, so it's more of a me problem. Now for Mass Effect. I loved Mass Effect. That crew was awesome. I didn't care about the ending. Hell, I barely had the guts to play through the last portion of ME2 because I didn't want to see it end. What happened? An-freakin-dromeda happened. This one game was probably the biggest disappointment I've ever came across in my life. This big disappointment caused the biggest gaming funk I'd ever go through. From the time Andromeda came out to about March of this year, I was in a funk with games. Other stuff happened of course, but Andromeda was definitely the start of everything (It took for Spider-Man and Miles Morales to break me out of it which I played earlier this year, but I wouldn't say I'm fully out of it either). That's a long ass funk lol.
A whole year huh. Looking back at my previous list, there's been some changes for sure. I wouldn't say this is a definitive list at the moment but here's how it's shaping up.
01 - Nioh 1
02 - Elden Ring
03 - The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
04 - Ghost of Tsushima
05 - Metal Gear Solid 5: Phantom Pain
06 - The Legend of Heroes: Trails into Reverie
07 - Shin Megami Tensei 5: Vengeance
08 - Final Fantasy 8
09 - God of War 2018
10 - The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
Honorable mentions
Ninja Gaiden Black
Devil May Cry 3: Special Edition
Persona 5 Royal
Chrono Trigger
Shin Megami Tensei 3: Nocturne
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Dragon Quest 8: Journey to the King
Final Fantasy 4
At the moment fighter's have been removed. Rough year for me with the community despite classics returning. For the honorable mentions, technically, for me they're not really honorable mentions but more like if _______ was not #1 then this is (in my headspace, Ninja Gaiden is battling with Nioh for #1, so on and so forth), and then more legacy-ish. No doubt, barring FF8 and MM, my top 10 is mostly modern games whereas the next 10 is old, barring P5R. And then a lot of these games, I just have no access to, but I'd love to play them to see if they still hold up. They probably do still hold up, but my standards have changed a lot over time. Combat alone is not the end all be all for me, but it can be a detriment if I don't like it.
Speaking of, the shocker, Elden Ring in top 5. Yeah, (how do I put this? lol) hmm, I hate Elden Ring's (souls/borne-like in general and a lot of the fans are equally obnoxious, bordering toxic) combat but I don't think it's bad either, which probably don't make sense. Nioh is the best way for me to describe this I guess, and it comes from Ki pulsing. Being able to Ki pulse into different attack strings and change weapons to continue your combo is something that really stuck out to me and if Elden Ring had even something remotely similar would've been a chef's kiss. And it really rings true in the DLC, especially with the majority of these bosses having like a 8-9 strings of attacks while we're stuck with a measly 4-5. I role play a lot for my niece. If I'm Elden Lord then give me additional attacks or ways to link from my light string to my heavy string. That being said, combat's a 7 but everything else is a 10.
And then there's the 1st in the series. Breath of the Wild, God of War 2018, Nioh 1. I still haven't gotten around to the sequels. That's all lol. I'm still fairly certain the sequels will replace the 1st once I get around to them.
Happy holidays