A rather surprising announcement (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/cartoon-network-cartoon-forum/310387-cn-gets-back-its-9pm-hour-slot-starting-nov-11-a.html) popped up today on Adult Swim's schedules--they'll be dropping back down to 10PM everyday starting this Monday.
QuoteAccording to the backdoor schedule, (http://schedule.adultswim.com/servlet/ScheduleServlet?action=AS&theDate=11/11/13&timeZone=EST) starting November 11, Regular Show and Adventure Time will air every night from 9pm and Adult Swim will start at 10pm. Jason DeMarco was asked about this on his Ask.fm (http://ask.fm/Clarknova/answer/103610108649) and he said:
QuoteThat's above my pay grade, sorry. I know we'll be back at 10 after the new year.
JDM had made a typo in that response, where "10" should be replaced with "9". This retraction will only last till January. (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10104317729327631&set=vb.84917688371&type=2)
The remark about the pay grade is what makes it intriguing. All they're doing in that hour is airing
King of the Hill. They've been airing it for years and they got it super-cheap since it's the syndication package, so I don't think budget should be a concern over airing this show for an hour every night.
Do you think CN is testing the waters to see if they can get this hour back? I think that if ratings remain high enough during this hour over the next couple of months, I think they could potentially make Adult Swim's downgrade permanent.
What do you guys think? This could be an interesting year for the fate of that hour.
DeMarco's "pay grade" remark is likely referring to the fact he is not high enough on the corporate level to have been let known about the details of the decision, and not a reference to the costs of paying for the 9pm slot.
But yes, I do believe Cartoon Network is testing whether they can better utilize the 9pm slot than [adult swim], and if that turns out to be the case, [adult swim] could very well lose the hour. Let's see whether Adventure Time and Regular Show reruns outperform King of the Hill's usual performance in the timeslot these next few weeks, and we'll know our answer.
Eh, they don't really do anything special with the extra hour. There are worse things that can happen.
Although if anything, Nick@Nite should give the 8 PM slot back to regular Nick on weekdays.
Really, all they do is air King of the Hill and the Cleveland Show at the 9 PM hour. WHY DO THEY AIR THE CLEVELAND SHOW? WHY? WHY? I do hope this lasts beyond the year, since I would love to see more premieres at those hours.
As for the pay grade comment, I just interpreted that as Jason not being that high level member to discuss said move without having to risk his job.
Quote from: Daxdiv on November 08, 2013, 06:48:34 PM
WHY DO THEY AIR THE CLEVELAND SHOW? WHY? WHY?
Unfathomably high ratings.
Quote from: Daxdiv on November 08, 2013, 06:48:34 PM
WHY DO THEY AIR THE CLEVELAND SHOW? WHY? WHY?
We can extend this question to other affiliates in general. Imagine my surprise when I found Cleveland Show airing on my local CW network before the Sunday block.
I'm hoping Regular Show can win back those slots, I'd totally love to fall asleep to that for once.
Quote from: Rosalinas Spare Wand on November 08, 2013, 10:54:05 PM
We can extend this question to other affiliates in general.
And again, it all comes down to ratings. They air it because it gets ratings. :sweat:
I think CN is taking back this hour because more 15-minute shows are starting to premiere. We can't have them all scrunched into 8:00, so they're probably calling for the extra hour so they can air more of those throughout 2014. They've recently moved Uncle Grandpa to Tuesdays--I think they did this to make room for Steven Universe. If they're going to pick up more quarter-hour series in the next year, then they could sure use the extra wiggle room.
Quote from: Cartoon X on November 08, 2013, 10:55:38 PM
Quote from: Rosalinas Spare Wand on November 08, 2013, 10:54:05 PM
We can extend this question to other affiliates in general.
And again, it all comes down to ratings. They air it because it gets ratings. :sweat:
Then justify why the show was cancelled? O0
Quote from: Rosalinas Spare Wand on November 08, 2013, 10:54:05 PMWe can extend this question to other affiliates in general. Imagine my surprise when I found Cleveland Show airing on my local CW network before the Sunday block.
They're airing it because they can. When the show was canned, it had enough episodes to enter syndication, so any network can take it.
They're removing King of the Hill to air the same crap they always show during the day?
Yawn. I guess the ONLY reason I have to continue tuning in to CN anymore is American Dad. I pretty much hate everything else CN and AS are airing now.
KOTH will still air weekdays at 1:30am and Saturdays for the entire 10pm hour. It has not been taken off the schedule, thankfully.
I really wish Fox would send KOTH off to another DVD company that would willingly make a complete series set for it.
I don't even care about bonuses, I just want all 259 easily and legally available again.
Quote from: DarthGonzo on November 09, 2013, 04:45:43 PM
They're removing King of the Hill to air the same crap they always show during the day?
Yawn. I guess the ONLY reason I have to continue tuning in to CN anymore is American Dad. I pretty much hate everything else CN and AS are airing now.
Given that you only find preference for one show on an entire lineup, doesn't that make you who watches the same crap every day? Besides, only a manchild can be that dismissive.
Quote from: Avaitor on November 09, 2013, 05:24:29 PM
I really wish Fox would send KOTH off to another DVD company that would willingly make a complete series set for it.
I don't even care about bonuses, I just want all 259 easily and legally available again.
Same. If they can release all of That 70's Show on DVD for only 35 bucks, they can at least give us all of KOTH for 50 or 60. Hell, I'd buy it for over a hundred even, KOTH is worth it, dammit.
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on November 09, 2013, 05:34:39 PM
Quote from: DarthGonzo on November 09, 2013, 04:45:43 PM
They're removing King of the Hill to air the same crap they always show during the day?
Yawn. I guess the ONLY reason I have to continue tuning in to CN anymore is American Dad. I pretty much hate everything else CN and AS are airing now.
Given that you only find preference for one show on an entire lineup, doesn't that make you who watches the same crap every day? Besides, only a manchild can be that dismissive.
Wow, that was harsh. Thanks for that.
Quote from: Cartoon X on November 09, 2013, 05:39:03 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on November 09, 2013, 05:24:29 PM
I really wish Fox would send KOTH off to another DVD company that would willingly make a complete series set for it.
I don't even care about bonuses, I just want all 259 easily and legally available again.
Same. If they can release all of That 70's Show on DVD for only 35 bucks, they can at least give us all of KOTH for 50 or 60. Hell, I'd buy it for over a hundred even, KOTH is worth it, dammit.
Mill Creek, the company that recently put out those cheap sets of T7S and Roseanne, just announced that they're also rereleasing a bunch of other shows, a few of which are Fox properties, and one of which never released more than the first 2 seasons (Just Shoot Me!). I don't see why KOTH can't be in the equation, either.
Let's hope it happens, soon. King of the Hill is definitely popular enough to warrant a complete series set, especially since it's fanbase was heavily augmented thanks to [adult swim] airing it two hours a day for all these years.
Quote from: Avaitor on November 10, 2013, 09:40:58 AMMill Creek, the company that recently put out those cheap sets of T7S and Roseanne, just announced that they're also rereleasing a bunch of other shows, a few of which are Fox properties, and one of which never released more than the first 2 seasons (Just Shoot Me!). I don't see why KOTH can't be in the equation, either.
I'm surprised Shout! Factory hasn't jumped in on this. They're usually the go-to guys for cult TV series.
Quote from: Daikun on November 10, 2013, 07:47:18 PM
Quote from: Avaitor on November 10, 2013, 09:40:58 AMMill Creek, the company that recently put out those cheap sets of T7S and Roseanne, just announced that they're also rereleasing a bunch of other shows, a few of which are Fox properties, and one of which never released more than the first 2 seasons (Just Shoot Me!). I don't see why KOTH can't be in the equation, either.
I'm surprised Shout! Factory hasn't jumped in on this. They're usually the go-to guys for cult TV series.
Oh, them too! That was my first thought for who should pick up the rights, actually.
If only. I would buy a complete KOTH set on day one.
For people talking about King of the Hill, they've actually been airing KotH at 1:30 AM now. Kind of a weird time to air it, but I guess CN/AS rights with KotH is still in good standing.
So apparently last saturday's 9pm Regular Show was the 13th highest show of the week for "[adult swim]." Admittedly, there was a movie before it, but you have to wonder if Cartoon Network is better off keeping the 9pm hour anyway.
Quote from: Cartoon X on December 09, 2013, 12:51:48 PMSo apparently last saturday's 9pm Regular Show was the 13th highest show of the week for "[adult swim]." Admittedly, there was a movie before it, but you have to wonder if Cartoon Network is better off keeping the 9pm hour anyway.
It seems so. (http://www.tvmediainsights.com/tvratings/35037/adultswim-ratings-scorecard-week-of-november-11-2013)
QuoteAS vs. CN at 9PM
From the week of November 4th, King of the Hill got 0.839 (M), 1.066 (T), 1.066 (W), 1.160 (Th), 1.063 (F), 0.987 (Sat); American Dad got 1.320 (Sun)
From the week of November 11th, Regular Show got 1.300 (M), 1.356 (T), 1.057 (W), 1.118 (Th), 1.194 (F), 1.213 (Sat); Percy Jackson got 1.734 (Sun)
AS vs. CN at 9:30PM:
From the week of November 4th, The Cleveland Show got 1.108 (M), 1.463 (T), 1.454 (W), 1.351 (Th), 1.178 (F), 1.250 (Sat) and 1.387 (Sun).
From the week of November 11th, Adventure Time got 1.242 (M), 1.232 (T), 1.070 (W), 1.182 (Th), 1.173 (F), 1.351 (Sat); Percy Jackson got 1.734 (Sun)
In average, CN beat AS at 9PM with 1.281M (AS has 1.075M) and AS beat CN at 9:30PM with 1.313M (CN had 1.283M).
The hour returns to Adult Swim this Monday...and it's back to your regularly scheduled KOTH/Cleveland team-up at 9PM.
I wonder if this experiment will change anything down the line.
In the words of the late Gorilla Monsoon, highly unlikely.
Welp, this is happening. Adult Swim is gaining 8 PM on March 31st! (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/04/business/media/adult-swim-no-1-with-younger-adults-is-expanding.html?smid=tw-nytmedia&seid=auto&_r=2)
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I don't understand, Cartoon Network already has a good library of cartoons they air at 8 PM.
Because of Adult Swim having a good year of ratings and the advertisers demanding it, apparently. I never cared about them having 9:00/8:00pm, but because I'm in central I won't have CN in primetime period.
Of course, I don't watch CN live on Mondays because of WWE. But Regular Show and Adventure Time did great on Mondays, as did Steven Universe at times. I can't help but think this may be a bad move.
:il_rope:
Every day? That's not going to be good for their Monday shows.
Well, Cartoon Network has already began running it's premieres at 7 PM, so they'll likely just keep doing that. Apparently, Stuart Snyder made this decision because CN's target audience (6-14 year old boys) are finding more of their entertainment online, so Snyder is going to add more online content to CN and give Adult Swim and additional hour. It's truly a shame that boys are the demographic that CN cares about. AS is one of my least favorite and least watched channels at the moment, so I'm not delighted by the news that there's going to be more of it.
On the upside, Boomerang is finally going to become ad supported. While the addition of ads will undoubtedly create the need for more newer and original programming, but with CN losing more and more hours to AS, the newer CN content may start going to Boomerang, thus making Da Boom a better Cartoon Network than Cartoon Network.
Boomerang pretty much already is a better Cartoon Network at this point. They already air some of CN's current shows (Ben 10: Omniverse, for example) mixed in with the older programming. With the ad-support I wouldn't be surprised if they mix-in even more recent CN shows in the lineup too.
While I raise my eyebrow at this move, I can't say I think it's that bad, nor do I really care. My schedule means I usually am only able to watch Cartoon Network's and [adult swim]'s shows through their video site anyway, so this doesn't affect my viewing habits. I would feel bad for kids having one less hour of their favorite shows to watch, but with online content, maybe they aren't missing out on anything at all.
I don't expect much interesting in the 8pm hour. Probably be just more FOX show re-runs. I guess one thing that I might be interested in seeing coming from this is a Toonami expanded to 11pm with Attack On Titan starting in April. That'd be neat, though probably isn't going to happen.
If being ad-supported means that Boomerang will possibly become available for more providers, I'm down for that.
I only watch a couple of shows on Cartoon Network right now, but I'm still slightly irked by this move, since it's such a naked cash grab. I know Adult Swim is where the money is and it's apparently doing better than anything on CN right now, but still, yeesh. I probably wouldn't mind so much if I didn't fucking hate so much of Adult Swim's current schedule. If AS were going to run decent shows like Mission Hill, The Oblongs, Space Ghost: Coast to Coast, Sealab 2021, Daria, Dilbert, Welcome to Eltingville, Liquid Television and Archer during the 8-9 PM hour I'd probably wouldn't mind this so much, but I know it's just going to be more recycled FOX stuff. Basically another of King of the Hill and American Dad.
The one Turner network that will probably benefit from this move is Boomerang, since in the wake of this shakeup move, Turner plans to revamp it slightly into an ad-supported general family network featuring both classic and contemporary programming. That sounds like they're going to try to make Da Boom into another Hub Network, or ironically enough, like 90's Cartoon Network. If the classic cartoons still have a place on the new Boomerang, and if new shows on Boom means other types of shows besides 'booger-eating dumb-boy comedies', then I'm all for this change.
Quote from: Silverstar on February 04, 2014, 02:22:09 PM
I only watch a couple of shows on Cartoon Network right now, but I'm still slightly irked by this move, since it's such a naked cash grab. I know Adult Swim is where the money is and it's apparently doing better than anything on CN right now, but still, yeesh. I probably wouldn't mind so much if I didn't fucking hate so much of Adult Swim's current schedule. If AS were going to run decent shows like Mission Hill, The Oblongs, Space Ghost: Coast to Coast, Sealab 2021, Daria, Dilbert, Welcome to Eltingville, Liquid Television and Archer during the 8-9 PM hour I'd probably wouldn't mind this so much, but I know it's just going to be more recycled FOX stuff. Basically another of King of the Hill and American Dad.
The one Turner network that will probably benefit from this move is Boomerang, since in the wake of this shakeup move, Turner plans to revamp it slightly into an ad-supported general family network featuring both classic and contemporary programming. That sounds like they're going to try to make Da Boom into another Hub Network, or ironically enough, like 90's Cartoon Network. If the classic cartoons still have a place on the new Boomerang, and if new shows on Boom means other types of shows besides 'booger-eating dumb-boy comedies', then I'm all for this change.
Booger eating is Nick's hat, not CN's.
Quote from: Daxdiv on February 04, 2014, 12:46:01 AM
Welp, this is happening. Adult Swim is gaining 8 PM on March 31st! (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/04/business/media/adult-swim-no-1-with-younger-adults-is-expanding.html?smid=tw-nytmedia&seid=auto&_r=2)
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I don't understand, Cartoon Network already has a good library of cartoons they air at 8 PM.
Holy shit at that gif. :D :D :D :D :D
Quote from: Peanutbutter on February 04, 2014, 01:53:19 AM
Because of Adult Swim having a good year of ratings and the advertisers demanding it, apparently. I never cared about them having 9:00/8:00pm, but because I'm in central I won't have CN in primetime period.
Of course, I don't watch CN live on Mondays because of WWE. But Regular Show and Adventure Time did great on Mondays, as did Steven Universe at times. I can't help but think this may be a bad move.
Wait, this effects Regular Show?
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Regular Show's premieres will likely only move a half-hour earlier on Monday nights, GSF. It's not like it's going anywhere anytime soon.
Quote from: Goldstar on February 04, 2014, 08:06:23 AM
On the upside, Boomerang is finally going to become ad supported. While the addition of ads will undoubtedly create the need for more newer and original programming, but with CN losing more and more hours to AS, the newer CN content may start going to Boomerang, thus making Da Boom a better Cartoon Network than Cartoon Network.
Boomerang has been airing non-Cartoon Network ads for a couple months now(and is in fact airing one as of me writing this). The ratio is still CN-heavy though.
So in my time zone, that means Adult Swim would start at... 7 p.m. Yeesh.
Quote from: Nel_Annette on February 04, 2014, 11:01:18 PM
So in my time zone, that means Adult Swim would start at... 7 p.m. Yeesh.
Mine too, crazy.
CX, would that likely mean Regular Show at 6 P.M. or something? That would be great.
Quote from: gunswordfist on February 04, 2014, 11:43:02 PM
Quote from: Nel_Annette on February 04, 2014, 11:01:18 PM
So in my time zone, that means Adult Swim would start at... 7 p.m. Yeesh.
Mine too, crazy.
CX, would that likely mean Regular Show at 6 P.M. or something? That would be great.
Regular Show actually already airs it's premieres at 6:30 pm central, something I didn't realize at first since I haven't watched it live in quite some time. It'll likely keep that timeslot.
Steven Universe and the upcoming
Clarence, on the other hand, will either have to move to other nights or premiere between and after AT and RS in 15 minute timeslots.
Thanks.
Stuart Snyder is a moron.
His target demo is, reportedly, boys 6-14, some of whom might not get the humor in Regular Show. [adult swim] is targeted for 18-up, so what happens to 14-17 year olds?
Snyder is not thinking this completely through. His is the same myopic mentality as that of Vince McMahon (WWE) and/or James Dolan (Cablevision/MSG/Knicks/Rangers), and he needs to be sent away to another dept. of Time-Warner where he won't harm any of the other channels.
After having thought more about it, I came to the conclusion last week that I'm perfectly fine with this. I mean, I liked being able to catch repeats of CN's stuff on Thursdays, but the real reason I was concerned over this was because I've grown to really love Steven Universe. But, I realized it's only going to get bumped up a bit earlier. It's been a hit so CN won't can it anytime soon. I don't get hoopla over AS or CN having 9pm in the first place, because CN would have just used it for reruns anyway.
Quote from: hobbyfan on February 05, 2014, 12:26:07 PM
Stuart Snyder is a moron.
His target demo is, reportedly, boys 6-14, some of whom might not get the humor in Regular Show. [adult swim] is targeted for 18-up, so what happens to 14-17 year olds?
Snyder is not thinking this completely through. His is the same myopic mentality as that of Vince McMahon (WWE) and/or James Dolan (Cablevision/MSG/Knicks/Rangers), and he needs to be sent away to another dept. of Time-Warner where he won't harm any of the other channels.
No he's not. CN Real was a blunder, but live-action already started under Samples watch, CN Real or something like it would have likely still aired even if Samples didn't resign. Snyder has scrapped all live-action pilots, so its a moot point. They'll still air live movies, but that's because Turner is using CN to fulfill their broacasting contracts with the film studios. Under Snyder, Cartoon Network has gotten almost to #2 out of the kid networks. They're starting to build up a good variety of different original cartoons that even the worse of which look a whole lot better than Nick. Plus, while they should have already happened a few years ago, making Boomerang ad-supported and utilizing CN's website for online content are great ideas. He's not perfect, but Snyder doesn't deserves the venom he gets from 4chan or other boards at all. He's actually proven to be a shrewd manager.
Also, he's doing this because the advertisers want it and the ratings justify it, so yes he has thought things through.
I'm sure they're fine with 13-17-year-olds watching it. You're selling kids way too short if you think they don't understand Regular Show.
Hey, remember when AS temporarily lost an hour?
Well, they're doing it again (http://ask.fm/Clarknova/answer/132324590057) this year.
They're going to air the Regular Show Halloween specials and OTGW for this week.
Which is the first week of November, but hey.
It looks like CN is going to put their newly restored hour to serious use this time. Instead of a bunch of reruns like 2013's attempt, they'll actually be putting premieres in this hour.
Adventure Time begins its new season this Monday at 8PM and will air new episodes all week. They'll also be using that slot for the "Stakes" mini-series, from November 16-19.
Regular Show will also be airing new episodes at 8:30PM on November 9-13.
When I saw the ads for Adventure Time premieres at 8 PM, I was like holy crap, they're actually doing something useful. I mean compared to last week where they decided to air Terror Tales of the Park and Over the Garden Wall were pretty nice, but 3 different weeks of premieres is pretty resourceful.
Even before they gave it to Adult Swim, CN only used it for Adventure Time or Regular Show reruns. Good to see then using it how they should be. Wonder if this might mean they're staying back this time?
Starting September 26, Adult Swim moves back to 9PM. (http://www.toonzone.net/forums/threads/adult-swim-losing-8-00-hour-starting-9-26.5563571) Again.
Yep, it's holiday season again.