The title of the 2013 Batman series has been revealed (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/news.php/news.php?action=fullnews&id=1139)
Quotethe CGI animated series will spotlight a classic-looking Batman teaming up with a gun-toting Alfred Pennyworth and a female ninja sidekick. Beware the Batman is executive-produced by Glen Murakami, and will explore the mythology's more obscure villains, such as Professor Pyg, but also won't shy away from featuring some of the more well-known Batman foes. In the series, Batman will team up with a younger female sidekick named Katana. During the keynote, Register added that Katana will fill the sidekick role, but won't be a replacement for Robin.
You know, I don't really know what to say to this. Since TB&TB turned out to be one of my favorite shows and it only took until the series actually premiered for me to get into it.
Thoughts?
Huh.
Gun-toting Alfred. Not sure how that'll turn out.
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And that's what it looks like.
I know its wrong to judge something based on looks alone, but WTF is up with Batman's character design in this series? It looks absolutely horrid, regardless of whether its meant to be taken seriously or is supposed to be campy looking.
So far, it looks like a weak attempt to put the designs from The Batman in CG.
Not what I was hoping for. But hey, it's too soon to judge.
He looks like Black Manta.
It really throws me off.
Professor Pyg from the recent Batman & Robin comic?
And Alfred is now the butler from Big O?
On one hand, designs that look someone tried to rip off Paul Pope.
On the other, possible appearance by Cassandra Cain judging fron the left.
I'm conflicted.
It's Katana, not Cassandra. I know, it's weird.
I like Alfred with guns and all, but the art style is kind of killing it for me. I know it's supposed to be stylized and everything, but... WHY?
Gross. That is perhaps the only word I can come to after seeing this.
I mean, I'm sorry, but that looks absolutely terrible. I know it's only one pic, but damn; it's quite a telling glimpse into the future, and obviously not a good one. I was never looking forward to CGI Batman anyway, and now I'm... well, really not looking forward to it (yeah, that's a lame way to put it, but hey).
Ah well, whatever. I'll inevitably give it a shot, like I do everything. Not impressed, though. Not impressed.
Thank God Cassandra isn't in this. That's the only plus I've seen so far.
They should make a Batman show with this cast (image from TZ):
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Very diverse with the potential for new ideas, and it still manages to star Batman so everybody wins.
Hell no. I NEVER want to see Cassandra Cain animated. Worst Batman character ever. It's like having a bad anime character in the Batverse /rant
Besides that, hell yeah.
First, Batman in CG doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
Second, when it comes to animated takes on a darker Batman... I only want to hear Kevin Conroy playing Batman. :P
Bader and Greenwood are really good too.
I don't mind other people playing Batman, the Joker, or anyone else, really. The DCAU cast is perfect, but they're not exactly the first to do the characters, and we've had a lot of good performances since then.
As long as your last name is not Clooney, you're all right with me.
The guy who does the voice of Batman on Young Justice is pretty good, IMO (I never actually bothered to find out his name, though). Also the dude who does Batman's voice in The Brave and the Bold is great (I don't know his name, either), but that's specifically for that golden age campy portrayal of Batman.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on July 10, 2012, 10:08:16 PM
The guy who does the voice of Batman on Young Justice is pretty good, IMO (I never actually bothered to find out his name, though). Also the dude who does Batman's voice in The Brave and the Bold is great (I don't know his name, either), but that's specifically for that golden age campy portrayal of Batman.
Bruce Greenwood is on Young Justice (He's also really good in Under The Red Hood) and Diedrich Bader is on TB&TB (He also does serious pretty good on Chill Of The Night), and honestly I find them as good as Conroy.
Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on July 10, 2012, 10:08:16 PMbut that's specifically for that golden age campy portrayal of Batman.
Right, so I can set it apart.
It's just that, with a darker Batman, every line he says just makes me think "I wonder how well Kevin Conroy would do that". He simply
is that Batman to me.
Eh, I say. The fact that Beware the Batman is being done in CGI doesn't bother me. Green Lantern: TAS did alright, but I'm not jumping for joy at the prospect of yet another Batman animated series. I'd personally rather get a new Superman animated series, or Wonder Woman or Captain Marvel or a new Justice League animated series before the umptee-seventh take on Batman. I mean, yeah, Bats is cool and all, but how many different takes on Batman can we have before it starts to get old? Put the spotlight on some other DC characters for once, WB. Beware the Batman is just using money, time and effort that could be spent on a more deserving franchise that doesn't have a handful of series under it's belt already.
Ironically, I like Batman's character more when he's part of a team like the JL than when he's on his own.
The only reason we're getting another Batman show is to plug it alongside TDKR. Which is also why we got the Green Lantern show shortly after the movie and we'll likely get a new Superman series when the next film comes out.
It's a major trend for DC and Marvel to make cartoons out of their properties as soon as their next movies come out, no matter how long it's been since we got the last one. And it's a trend I'm getting tired of personally.
So am I.
They could have simply ordered more TNBA instead of making The Batman and it probably would have done better in the long run, and we could be getting new TB&TB episodes instead of more sub-BTAS material, but no instead we get another show just like the one everyone has already seen.
Where I have a problem with Beware the Batman is who's also involved creatively. Mitch Watson.
If you have seen his take on Scooby-Doo, then you can understand where I'm coming from. He tore down one icon, and reinvented it as he saw fit (Scooby). He rebooted Dynomutt for a new era, and, even though I didn't see any season 2 eps of Sccoby-Doo: Mystery Inc., I am told this made some semblance of sense. Still, I disagreed with his handling of Funky Phantom in season 1 of SDMI, and it suggested to me that if he's as young as I think he is (30-something at the most), he has little care for some of the marginal characters from before his time. I shudder at the thought of what he could do with Batman. I don't like the design on Katana, either.
Glen Murakami, I am hoping, has more writers other than Watson writing eps for this show.
So we're going to see an overdose of shipping?
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on January 09, 2013, 12:56:05 PM
So we're going to see an overdose of shipping?
Well this is the age of blatant fanservice in entertainment. As long as there are tumblr fangirls to pander to, there will be needless shipping and callouts to write.
Look at Supernatural, for example.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on January 09, 2013, 12:56:05 PM
So we're going to see an overdose of shipping?
Perish forbid if that happens.
Did anyone catch the premiere? I missed it because I was on the computer and thought they were playing it at 9:00 not 9:30. Hopefully someone will put it on YouTube this afternoon.
There was a review in the NY Daily News by David Hinckley earlier this week. Show was to air at 10 (ET) this morning. Missed it due to doing laundry (like, hey, it happens), but I imagine before this time next week, it'll be On Demand.
They're using unknowns on this show for Batman & Katana's voices (and Hinckley got Katana's name wrong), and probably most of the cast. Time for a new star to be born, I suppose. Hinckley liked it, and I'm waiting to see if I end up agreeing.
I thought it was pretty good - surprisingly so. Still not on board with the art/animation, but I quite liked everything else.
Quote from: gunswordfist on October 07, 2011, 01:56:41 PM
Hell no. I NEVER want to see Cassandra Cain animated. Worst Batman character ever. It's like having a bad anime character in the Batverse /rant
Note to self: talk about Cassandra as often as I can from now on, even in irrelevant threads.
Quote from: Foggle on July 14, 2013, 12:07:05 AM
Quote from: gunswordfist on October 07, 2011, 01:56:41 PM
Hell no. I NEVER want to see Cassandra Cain animated. Worst Batman character ever. It's like having a bad anime character in the Batverse /rant
Note to self: talk about Cassandra as often as I can from now on, even in irrelevant threads.
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The premiere episode of Beware the Batman was OK. I wasn't surprised by the lack of citizens in the backgrounds of Gotham City, since this series is being done in CGI and animating extras would have cost money. The fact that the show is being done in CG didn't bother me either; it was just like on Green Lantern: TAS where the characters looked like action figures come to life.
I didn't know what to make Pyg and Toad, since I know next to zip about the characters, but is Toad supposed to be some kind of mutant? I only ask because he doesn't appear to be a guy wearing a mask like Pyg.
I didn't even mind the more active, muscular and fit version of Alfred. My only complaint was his design; the artists should have given Alfred a mustache or some hair on the sides of his head, because here he looks too much like Lex Luthor to the point where I actually thought that he was Lex when I first saw him.
Also, guest appearance by Michael Holt, aka Mr. Terrific. Nice.
Generally, I would have much more preferred a new Superman animated series, but I suppose that this will do.
The main question in my mind when watching this: why is Alfred played by Lex Luthor with a butter roll glued to his chin?
I caught it before I had to leave for work...
>_>
<_<
I liked it...
Well, if you guys like it then I'll be sure to keep an eye out for it.
Beware the Batman was OK for what it was, I just can't get excited about another Batman show. I'm basically Batmanned out at this point.
Now if we get a Superman series a la Green Lantern: TAS and this, particularly one which takes place in the super-ultra-modern looking Metropolis (as opposed to the ordinary-looking one from Man of Steel) and chronicles his own adventures with his co-stars and rogues' gallery combined with team-ups with other DC heroes, eventually culminating in the formation of the Justice League, then you've got my attention.
Watched it On Demand. I wish the nimrods would stop putting it up w/commercials included. They timed it to exactly 30 minutes, which meant the closing credits were cut off.
Like the Star twins, I'm not familiar with Prof. Pyg & Mr. Toad, since I didn't read Grant Morrison's Bat-books, but I'd imagine that Toad, in particular, might come from one of Kenneth Grahame's books, or was inspired by such. That said, that would explain the British accents on the villains. Stagg being there means we'll probably see Metamorpho, and Michael Holt, this generation's Mr. Terrific, may be back in that capacity.
As I wrote at TZ, this is a spiritual successor to The Batman in that it's still early in Bruce's career, but a clean shaven Alfred is a mistake. I gave it 2 1/2 stars (a B+ rating on my blog), taking points off for the 'tache-less Alfred. The CGI needs work, and you'd think WB would know better, but this is 3 CGI series (Clone Wars & GL being the others) that have their characters looking more like they were designed for a video game. Subtle hint at merchandising, perhaps?
Ok, caught the show today. Not waiting around for On Demand this time.
Magpie looks better than her original design in the comics some 25-odd years ago, so that's a plus. I'm guessing Watson wants to posit her as his Catwoman, since she seems to be flirting with Batman. Problem is, she's schizoid, which the original Magpie wasn't, IIRC. First clue regarding Anarky, so he'll be along soon, and we haven't seen Katana in costume just yet. That's still to come.
Watson knows how to bring things along slowly, as he did with Scooby-Doo: Mystery Inc.. However, there's a whole boatload of lesser-known villains, other than what's been announced, for him to play with. Done right, this could work real well. Done wrong, well, let's not go there just yet......
Finally got around to watching this. It was good, but nothing really caught my interest. I'll just see where it goes.
Fingers crossed for a new Superman show.
I'm liking it so far. Nice that they're focusing on Batman's detective work, and how they're going about his budding relationship with Katana. I also like that Gordan isn't an immediate ally of Batman. That leaves a lot of good room for development. I thought Pyg and Toad were fun, but Magpie was cooler than them.
I didn't like her "Shiny, Shiny" catchphrase though, that wasn't needed because she's already established as a kleptomaniac. I get she's a psychopath like Batman's traditional villians, but it just made her sound like a Kindergartener. I can also say that I don't like when the backgrounds have so much empty space, now I'm getting why people don't like the CGI in this.
That aside, I'm looking forward to more episodes. Just hope this Anarky is worth the tiny buildup he's gotten.
Well, that's the third, fourth, and fifth episodes that went by. Anyone else catch them?
The third episode with Anarky was a little bit weak to me. I didn't like how the graffiti artists he employed were typical idiot henchmen we've seen before. Anarky's first appearance was okay, but he didn't blow me away. Hopefully, they'll show what he can really do the next time he shows up.
I'm not sure he should be the main villain in this series though, when they set up Ra's Al Ghul in the next two episodes. Katana gets fleshed out a bit in both. I loved the scientist she had to protect, he was funny. The atmosphere around the episode was good. Silver Monkey I think has one of the best designs in this show so far. Glad they didn't have Batman capture him so easily, and I'm sure Lady Shiva should be interesting. Can't wait to see how Al Ghul is in this though.
I also enjoyed the Humpty Dumpty episode. They did a great job making him creepy. Nice buildup between Gordon and Batman too.
Some episodes to discuss.
I'm really enjoying the arc with Ra's Al Ghul they have set up. Also, Katana has been handled pretty well with her learning different things from Batman. He's slowly but surely gaining trust and confidence in her. I just wonder what will happen with that scientist boyfriend of hers, considering he's still infected with Cypher.
CN pulls the show from their schedule. (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/10/23/beware-the-batman-pulled-from-cartoon-network-schedule)
The show should return in January. Batman News claims "the show is not cancelled." (http://batman-news.com/2013/10/22/beware-batman-hiatus-2014)
Suuuuuuuuuuuuure... ::)
Wait, has it even been on that long? I haven't been paying attention to this, but is it getting bad ratings or something?
Quote from: Daikun on October 23, 2013, 04:13:48 PM
CN pulls the show from their schedule. (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/10/23/beware-the-batman-pulled-from-cartoon-network-schedule)
The show should return in January. Batman News claims "the show is not cancelled." (http://batman-news.com/2013/10/22/beware-batman-hiatus-2014)
Suuuuuuuuuuuuure... ::)
Yeah, right.
Following the M.O. with
Green Lantern and
Young Justice, CN will likely delay
Beware the Batman's return until March or April, then just let it burn through its' remaining episodes before it disappears altogether.
BtB wasn't a terrible show, but at the same time I really couldn't get into it because after umptee-seven Dark Knight shows and movies, I'm personally Batmanned out, though I did enjoy
The Brave and the Bold. Maybe now we can finally get another DC hero to spotlight a show; it's the 75th frickin' anniversary of Superman, plus he had a new movie come out this summer and we still can't get a Superman show, but we get yet another damn Batman cartoon?! What the what?!
I do really hope that WB doesn't give up on these shows despite these past failures; the
DC Nation block can't just consist of
Teen Titans GO! Going back to B&tB, maybe the next DC toon should be a more lighthearted action comedy, maybe starring Supes or Flash or Plastic Man or maybe even the Trinity. That would be cool.
I don't care if we literally had a billion Batman cartoons before it. Beware the Batman was a good show that got better with each episode that advanced a pretty good arc. It might turn out not to be canceled, there's some sources stating that more episodes were ordered. Regardless this hiatus isn't necessary. Honestly, I think a big problem is that for whatever reason, there's some major bad blood between WB and Cartoon Network. If their parent company Turner wasn't ran by an idiot who doesn't believe in working together, and has fostered this ridiculous and unnecessary competitive atmosphere within, things would turn out a lot differently for all these cartoons.
Quote from: ShadowGentleman on October 23, 2013, 09:00:43 PM
Wait, has it even been on that long? I haven't been paying attention to this, but is it getting bad ratings or something?
Unfortunately, yes it was. Which more than likely is why it's being pulled for now.
Quote from: ShadowGentleman on October 23, 2013, 09:00:43 PM
Wait, has it even been on that long? I haven't been paying attention to this, but is it getting bad ratings or something?
According to my Free on Demand from my cable package, it has aired at least 11 episodes out of it's 13 episode season.
I find it a bit of a shame since, while it's not the best Batman series out there, it really doesn't feel like the worst Batman series. Though, I find it a little bit weird that today I noticed that my local comic shops had the first issue of the tie-in comic for Beware the Batman on it's store shelves and then I came home to this. You know, DC usually makes the comics based more around the cartoon shows they air and put it in their kids label? Yeah, those ones.
"Those who fail to remember history are doomed to repeat it."---George Santayana.
Someone needs to attach this quote to a memo sent to Stuart Snyder ASAP.
There is just such a huge disconnect between WB Animation & CN these days, it isn't funny. They pushed Teen Titans GO!, an inferior show, much harder, because they know their audience prefers lame comedy to serious adventure and solid storytelling. TTG isn't on the same level as, say for example, Regular Show, but this is the sort of mentality that butters the bread at the CN office these days.
To paraphrase a certain philosopher from Miami, as it relates to the CN administration:
We can take the flow charts and spreadsheets, roll them up real tight, turn those suckas sideways, and stick it straight up Snyder's candy-----!
...I'm not sure what your point is. While it sucks that serious action cartoons are being mistreated, and Beware the Batman's lack of promotion and now sudden pre-emption from the schedule aggravating, what lesson is there that Stuart Synder needs to learn? The fact is, Cartoon Network's current focus on eccentric/weird comedy series is working for them. In fact, it has led to some of the networks best ratings in years and that can't be denied. I'm not saying that Cartoon Network shouldn't be airing more action cartoons, and promoting them and rerunning them better. Obviously they should. What I'm saying is that I don't see what "history" Synder needs to remember; what is going to bring about the networks downfall by treating action cartoons like they have been doing? Because really...they seem to be doing plenty fine with the few they have, and wouldn't miss anything if they didn't air action cartoons at all, right now. The pendulum has just swung that way it seems, and action cartoons on pretty much all the major kids channels have been showing weaker ratings, and as a result they been treated less valuably and aired far less. This is a bad thing for us viewers, but not really for the network as far as it's executives are concerned, and I'm not sure what "history" is going to doom the network by treating Beware the Batman like the way they are doing.
Quote from: Daxdiv on October 23, 2013, 10:17:07 PMAccording to my Free on Demand from my cable package, it has aired at least 11 episodes out of it's 13 episode season.
The article above states it's a 26-episode season. That would be kinda douchey for CN to pull it with only two episodes left. :whuh:
Quote from: Daikun on October 24, 2013, 06:27:56 PM
Quote from: Daxdiv on October 23, 2013, 10:17:07 PMAccording to my Free on Demand from my cable package, it has aired at least 11 episodes out of it's 13 episode season.
The article above states it's a 26-episode season. That would be kinda douchey for CN to pull it with only two episodes left. :whuh:
I'm assuming they're pulling the same shit they did with Green Lantern where Part 1 of the series was "season 1" while part 2 became "season 2" or at least that how I always thought CN treated GL:TAS.
I agree with Cartoon X. Maybe CN isn't getting a fair share of profit from airing DC shows? If that is the case, then I could understand them being frustrated. As it is, comedy cartoons have been doing well lately. Maybe they could put DC Nation on like Thursday night and just promote it enough so it could do well. But if they're getting fleeced in their contract with WB Animation, that could be why it stays on Saturdays.
I haven't even gotten around to watching it yet.
Me either.
Did this one have a toyline?
Do McDonald Happy Meal toys count? Cause those were the only toys I've seen so far.
So if this fails... what do they do next?
Maybe dumping TB&TB so fast wasn't the best idea.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on October 24, 2013, 09:49:35 PMSo if this fails... what do they do next?
Two options: Give ol' Batsy a break, or give him another comical cartoon. WBA's previous attempts to make a serious Batman series have tried too hard and fallen waaaaaaaaaay short of the high bar set by
B:TAS. There's no way they can recapture the old magic of the Timmiverse, so they should just have fun instead of being moody.
QuoteMaybe dumping TB&TB so fast wasn't the best idea.
It ran a healthy 65 episodes; I wouldn't say they dumped it too soon.
Quote from: Cartoon X on October 24, 2013, 05:20:32 PM
...I'm not sure what your point is. While it sucks that serious action cartoons are being mistreated, and Beware the Batman's lack of promotion and now sudden pre-emption from the schedule aggravating, what lesson is there that Stuart Synder needs to learn? The fact is, Cartoon Network's current focus on eccentric/weird comedy series is working for them. In fact, it has led to some of the networks best ratings in years and that can't be denied. I'm not saying that Cartoon Network shouldn't be airing more action cartoons, and promoting them and rerunning them better. Obviously they should. What I'm saying is that I don't see what "history" Synder needs to remember; what is going to bring about the networks downfall by treating action cartoons like they have been doing? Because really...they seem to be doing plenty fine with the few they have, and wouldn't miss anything if they didn't air action cartoons at all, right now. The pendulum has just swung that way it seems, and action cartoons on pretty much all the major kids channels have been showing weaker ratings, and as a result they been treated less valuably and aired far less. This is a bad thing for us viewers, but not really for the network as far as it's executives are concerned, and I'm not sure what "history" is going to doom the network by treating Beware the Batman like the way they are doing.
Um, I was referring to last year, when CN yanked Young Justice & Green Lantern off the air around this same time and gave them a 2 months or so vacation. This only proves that Snyder's dumber than a bag of hammers to pull this crap again.
CN simply needs to find that happy medium, a balanced mix of action & comedy on the schedule, in order to get the action half of the equation back in gear.
That didn't "doom" the network, though. In fact, they barely felt the loss, and likely had decided to cancel those series well before that decision as well, and both those series were performing much, much better than Beware the Batman has too. For Synder, this isn't a stupid move, because he doesn't care about the show, it's giving nothing back to the network as far as ratings go that other series are not, and isn't a significant part of the schedule anyway. It sucks for us fans, but Cartoon Network doesn't find Beware the Batman valuable, and it won't hurt the network to take it off the schedule either.
Sad fact is that Cartoon Network doesn't "need" action cartoons, and they don't seem to want them either. It's why all their action cartoons are rerun only in the early mornings and why premieres are ghettoed in saturday mornings. I agree that the action portion of the schedule should be treated better and revitalized, but until Synder and the people who run Cartoon Network see an incentive to do so, it's likely not going to happen anytime soon.
I am with Peanutbutter, I don't care if there were a billion Batman shows. In fact, there haven't been many Batshows over the years. There have been THREE Batman cartoons over the last 10 years. Just 3. If you also factor in Batman's outside-of-comics presence, he has had only 3 live action films, about 6 major video game release and like an average of 2 animated films a year over the last 10 or so years. That's light. Sure there should be other characters getting more spotlight but by no means should the Bat output be slowed down.
They should be if they're over-saturating the market.
The fact is, they only rushed TB&TB to a close at 65 episodes to make this show for 65 episodes and then another after that and so on. I think this not doing well might be proof that people don't want to cycle through different Batman shows and get pushed from show to show.
Either that or like 'The Batman' proved, people are tired of a more serious Batman.
The only thing The Batman proved is that The Batman sucked.
Quote from: Foggle on October 28, 2013, 03:45:26 PM
The only thing The Batman proved is that The Batman sucked.
You mean you didn't want BTAS again only not as good?
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on October 28, 2013, 03:49:17 PM
Quote from: Foggle on October 28, 2013, 03:45:26 PM
The only thing The Batman proved is that The Batman sucked.
You mean you didn't want BTAS again only not as good?
I really don't know what happened with The Batman. They often had great writers working on it, but nearly every episode was a boring mess. I also thought the art was fairly unattractive. It's like the Avengers Assemble of DC cartoons.
What? The only Batman show that got killed fast for another is TBATB. There is no cycle. BTAS got renewed after MOTP and that movie was supposed to be the end of that series so by no means did it die fast to make room for Batman Beyond. BB got cancelled. I don't know what happened to The Batman but Legion Of Superheroes died so that staff could do TBATB and LoS was obviously not a Batman show. There is no indication that BtB is dying for another Batman. There seems to be other reasons for that.
Quote from: Foggle on October 28, 2013, 03:56:13 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on October 28, 2013, 03:49:17 PM
Quote from: Foggle on October 28, 2013, 03:45:26 PM
The only thing The Batman proved is that The Batman sucked.
You mean you didn't want BTAS again only not as good?
I really don't know what happened with The Batman. They often had great writers working on it, but nearly every episode was a boring mess. I also thought the art was fairly unattractive. It's like the Avengers Assemble of DC cartoons.
They wanted a more toyetic Batman show, but because of poor planning they lead to a lot of strange things because of the dumb "Bat embargo". Instead of making more BTAS episodes they thought a "fresh start" would bring in a bigger audience which didn't end up happening at all.
It's the same with the movie studios, they seem to think audiences like seeing origin stories and year ones all the time. Not to mention all the remakes of things nobody wants to see remade. (Who really wanted a Carrie remake when Salem's Lot and The Stand have no theatrical movies?)
The reason TB&TB was so popular because it was entirely different. Heck, we didn't even learn Batman's identity until season 2.
Quote from: gunswordfist on October 28, 2013, 03:58:12 PM
What? The only Batman show that got killed fast for another is TBATB. There is no cycle. BTAS got renewed after MOTP and that movie was supposed to be the end of that series so by no means did it die fast to make room for Batman Beyond. BB got cancelled. I don't know what happened to The Batman but Legion Of Superheroes died so that staff could do TBATB and LoS was obviously not a Batman show. There is no indication that BtB is dying for another Batman. There seems to be other reasons for that.
Do you think BTB would have lasted beyond 65 episodes? Because that's what I'm referring to.
If it's dying now, it's simply because audiences aren't interested.
No but again, this is the only time they killed one Batshow for another. Them ending TBATB fast for an inferior show is probably why BtB is tanking. Not because they are oversaturating the market. Not because they want to take the audience from show to show.
Quote from: gunswordfist on October 28, 2013, 04:19:30 PM
No but again, this is the only time they killed one Batshow for another. Them ending TBATB fast for an inferior show is probably why BtB is tanking. Not because they are oversaturating the market. Not because they want to take the audience from show to show.
I'm probably crossing my wires here, but if BtB is failing now then it definitely isn't because they have a new Batman show waiting in the wings. But I always thought the reason they stuck with Batman and refused to use any other hero is because "Batman sells". If this show isn't doing well then how true can that be?
I would wager either people are getting sick of Batman or the show is just lousy. I can't rightly judge either, but that's why I came to the "oversaturation" conclusion.
If audiences really preferred TB&TB and want a sillier Batman again, I'm not so certain shelving this and making a new goofier show will help. Does anyone really want "TB&TB but not as good"? We went through that with BTAS and TB. In short, I think somebody in charge misfired somewhere.
Yeah, they misfired when they cancelled Brave. I think BtB's troubles have more to do with the quality of the show and not because people are suddenly sick of Batman. I actually expect a long wait (2 years?) between Batshows so that should completely end this oversaturation talk.
There was a very strong reception for the season of The Batman where Robin first joined. Even then, the show never rose beyond being BTAS-lite.
I completely lost interest in The Batman by the time Robin showed up in season 4; season 2 was actually the last season of The Batman where I enjoyed more episodes than I didn't. It also didn't help that season 5 was easily the worst season, imo.
I remember season 1 being snooze-worthy, season 2 being pretty good, season 3 being disappointing, season 4 being a step up, and season 5 being lame. But that was a while ago. All in all, it averages out to being pretty mediocre.
The movie was pretty good, though. Shame TB&TB didn't get a movie like The Batman did.
Aw yeah, The Batman vs Dracula was a pretty cool dtv movie (I was honeslty super creeped out by it as a kid). I too wish The Brave and the Bold was gifted with it's own movie, since I can only imagine how stellar it could have been considering how great the show was throughout it's run already.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on October 28, 2013, 06:27:36 PM
I remember season 1 being snooze-worthy, season 2 being pretty good, season 3 being disappointing, season 4 being a step up, and season 5 being lame. But that was a while ago. All in all, it averages out to being pretty mediocre.
The movie was pretty good, though. Shame TB&TB didn't get a movie like The Batman did.
The Batman...got a movie? :shit: TB was a typical boring modern Saturday morning cartoon for me. Seeing its Joker was all I needed to see...
Quote from: gunswordfist on October 28, 2013, 08:25:53 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on October 28, 2013, 06:27:36 PM
I remember season 1 being snooze-worthy, season 2 being pretty good, season 3 being disappointing, season 4 being a step up, and season 5 being lame. But that was a while ago. All in all, it averages out to being pretty mediocre.
The movie was pretty good, though. Shame TB&TB didn't get a movie like The Batman did.
The Batman...got a movie? :shit: TB was a typical boring modern Saturday morning cartoon for me. Seeing its Joker was all I needed to see...
Yep, it was way better than the show, though. It's worth seeing.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on October 28, 2013, 08:27:46 PM
Quote from: gunswordfist on October 28, 2013, 08:25:53 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on October 28, 2013, 06:27:36 PM
I remember season 1 being snooze-worthy, season 2 being pretty good, season 3 being disappointing, season 4 being a step up, and season 5 being lame. But that was a while ago. All in all, it averages out to being pretty mediocre.
The movie was pretty good, though. Shame TB&TB didn't get a movie like The Batman did.
The Batman...got a movie? :shit: TB was a typical boring modern Saturday morning cartoon for me. Seeing its Joker was all I needed to see...
Yep, it was way better than the show, though. It's worth seeing.
Like Turtles Forever?
Quote from: gunswordfist on October 28, 2013, 08:35:41 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on October 28, 2013, 08:27:46 PM
Quote from: gunswordfist on October 28, 2013, 08:25:53 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on October 28, 2013, 06:27:36 PM
I remember season 1 being snooze-worthy, season 2 being pretty good, season 3 being disappointing, season 4 being a step up, and season 5 being lame. But that was a while ago. All in all, it averages out to being pretty mediocre.
The movie was pretty good, though. Shame TB&TB didn't get a movie like The Batman did.
The Batman...got a movie? :shit: TB was a typical boring modern Saturday morning cartoon for me. Seeing its Joker was all I needed to see...
Yep, it was way better than the show, though. It's worth seeing.
Like Turtles Forever?
Not
that good, but it was much better than any of the episodes I saw of the show and was considerably less bland.
It's not on par with the DCAU Batman movies or anything, but it's good.
Well of course not. I was just insulting TMNT2K3. Did they ever release an unedited version of that movie?
I don't think they ever did.
4Kids was never the generous type.
Ugh. I also wonder if an uncut The Simpsons movie has been released.
Quote from: gunswordfist on October 28, 2013, 09:37:55 PM
Ugh. I also wonder if an uncut The Simpsons movie has been released.
??? I'm pretty sure that movie is already "uncut."
Brave & the Bold was cancelled too soon. It's a case study in a comedy adventure show done right.
Oh, and for those of you jonesin' for The Batman, exhibit A on why it deserved to get the hook would be reimagining the Joker as a barefoot Rastafarian hippie-type. A stoner he ain't!
65 episodes is a good run. Not many shows even make it that far. Obviously, I would have loved for the series to have continued longer, but I don't think it was unfairly cancelled or anything. Beware the Batman has shown promise to me, and even though it hasn't and maybe never will reach the heights of quality that Brave and the Bold or Batman: The Animated Series reached, it's a good show in it's own right, and it's sad to see Cartoon Network doesn't agree.
From Kurtwood Smith
QuoteI just did Beware The Batman, and it looks like that's not going to come back, so that?s too bad. I did a season of playing Commissioner Gordon on that, but I guess it's not doing as well as they would like or something. I don't know, it's not official yet. But it doesn't look good.
Ouch. Now what?
Didn't see this show mentioned at all during the CN Upfront, while Teen Titans Go!, was. Well, looks like WB was banking on Beware the Batman to run for a while, since if they thought it was gonna to suck, they would have done something like what they did with the Looney Tunes, where they're giving Bugs Bunny a new show.
I guess it should be posted here, too.
The series comes to Toonami (http://dcnationfans.tumblr.com/post/82934277678/beware-the-batman-production-images) on May 10, and the remaining episodes will make their premieres (https://twitter.com/Clarknova1/statuses/456570668268531713) on the block.
Going by the calendar, the final episodes should start airing on July 26.
The unaired episodes are coming to Blu-Ray on September 30.
Preorder it here (http://shop.warnerarchive.com/product/code/1000519194.do) for $20!
The majority of those episodes won't be unaired by the time that blu-ray comes out. :D
Alright, Toonami has burned through the reruns. Premieres begin this coming Saturday at 2:30.
Premieres are TONIGHT!
The show is being written off for tax purposes, (http://toonami.tumblr.com/post/98164760488/good-news-bad-news-batman-fans) so Toonami is going to marathon the final episodes this Saturday.
So long Beware the Batman. Man, it must hurt for them to lose both this and Sym-bionic Titan. They lost an hour. Well, at least Space Dandy is back on the schedule.
This show really got hosed.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on September 22, 2014, 06:58:12 PMThis show really got hosed.
Oh, Davey... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMh6O7HuI08)
Aw, god dammit. BtB deserved way better than to be written-off before it could even finish a single full run naturally. At least Toonami will be airing the remaining episodes in that blowout marathon this weekend, which is better than not airing them at all, and gives me an incentive to actually watch something on Toonami live for the first time in a good while.
watching this on toonami convinced me that this is not the worst batman cartoon. it bothers me how dull bruce can be though. i really paid attention to that with how robotic he sounded when he asked someone to dance.