I know there has been a great thread for the Genesis but there has yet to be a topic created for Sega itself.
I'll try to start things off by saying I think Sega, when it was a console maker, had the greatest mindset of all time when it came to how it treated its games. They weren't scared to have games that are made for everyone mixed in with 'Mature' titles. In fact I think they were responsible for making M rated games popular at home. I think they struck the perfect balance. Plus doing things like having online gaming way before its competition was incredible. Sega first had it with the Saturn, right? I wish they were still in the console race (minus having all their games just on their console these days)
Sega is one of the greats, no question. It's just really such a shame that Sega Of Japan and Sega Of America could not agree on anything which ended up killing them to the point of being bought by Sammy and being knocked out of the console race.
But still they made:
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Among countless other games in so many genres. I don't think anyone except Nintendo comes close to them.
Exactly what killed them? I honestly have no clue. And I just heard about the Sammy purchase (probably from you) a few months ago (assuming the purchase wasn't recent)
I always thought that it was the Dreamcast which was the first home console to have online support. I could be wrong, though.
At any rate, Sega kicked serious ass. I'll admit to never having owned the Saturn, and barely playing any of its library, but I grew up with a Genesis right alongside by SNES, and I played the hell out of the Dreamcast back in the day as well (I liked it better than the N64, PS1, PS2, and XBOX, personally). Its too bad that Sega has kind of been reduced to having to outsource most of their games to third party developers, with only a handful of those games actually being really good ones, and with even the good ones never selling all that well. Their Sonic games do still sell well, of course, but a good chunk of those games have been pretty awful and really have to rely on name-recognition to make those sales in the first place.
Putting that aside, though, I still think that Sega qualifies as being one of the best and most iconic parts of gaming history, overall.
Quote from: gunswordfist on March 12, 2013, 07:52:28 PM
Exactly what killed them? I honestly have no clue. And I just heard about the Sammy purchase (probably from you) a few months ago (assuming the purchase wasn't recent)
It's a very long series of events that killed them.
Basically they released the Genesis/Mega Drive that was a huge hit for them and to maintain an edge over the Super NES in the console war made the mistake of investing money into bombing hardware to graft to it like the Sega CD, 32x, and several dumb peripherals.
Then they made the Saturn, their biggest mistake by far. Overpriced, impossible to develop for, terrible 3D, and 95% of the best games never released over here. The worst part was at one point they had the same hardware that Sony would eventually use for the PS1 and opted not to use it. Sega of Japan refused to listen to any of America's advice or requests (despite them being the reason the Genesis took off in America with their amazing advertising) to change anything and wouldn't listen to anything they had to say.
Nonetheless the Saturn crippled Sega horrendously. Then they came out with the Dreamcast which was easy to develop for, cheaper, had arcade-level 3D for arcade-level games, and most of the best games DID come out over here. The Dreamcast was everything the Saturn should have been and then some. Unfortunately, while the Dreamcast was already being made Sega was already almost out of money and it was just plain too late.
Hence the Dreamcast dying and Sega going third party. They also ended up not using their properties properly which ended in losing more money and having Sammy bailing them out. Unfortunately laying off many employees and disbanding almost every team.
I really do wish Sega had better management, but what's done is done.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on March 12, 2013, 08:07:17 PM
Quote from: gunswordfist on March 12, 2013, 07:52:28 PM
Exactly what killed them? I honestly have no clue. And I just heard about the Sammy purchase (probably from you) a few months ago (assuming the purchase wasn't recent)
It's a very long series of events that killed them.
Basically they released the Genesis/Mega Drive that was a huge hit for them and to maintain an edge over the Super NES in the console war made the mistake of investing money into bombing hardware to graft to it like the Sega CD, 32x, and several dumb peripherals.
Then they made the Saturn, their biggest mistake by far. Overpriced, impossible to develop for, terrible 3D, and 95% of the best games never released over here. The worst part was at one point they had the same hardware that Sony would eventually use for the PS1 and opted not to use it. Sega of Japan refused to listen to any of America's advice or requests (despite them being the reason the Genesis took off in America with their amazing advertising) to change anything and wouldn't listen to anything they had to say.
Nonetheless the Saturn crippled Sega horrendously. Then they came out with the Dreamcast which was easy to develop for, cheaper, had arcade-level 3D for arcade-level games, and most of the best games DID come out over here. The Dreamcast was everything the Saturn should have been and then some. Unfortunately, while the Dreamcast was already being made Sega was already almost out of money and it was just plain too late.
Hence the Dreamcast dying and Sega going third party. They also ended up not using their properties properly which ended in losing more money and having Sammy bailing them out. Unfortunately laying off many employees and disbanding almost every team.
I really do wish Sega had better management, but what's done is done.
And PS2 :P
PS2 didn't really make a difference, they were already finished before it came out.
The only thing the PS2 teally did was hasten the inevitable. If I'm getting my facts straight, the PS2's being able to play DVD's made it a pretty big deal, ang gave it advantage over the dying Dreamcast.
Quote from: Rynnec on March 12, 2013, 09:25:35 PM
The only thing the PS2 teally did was hasten the inevitable. If I'm getting my facts straight, the PS2's being able to play DVD's made it a pretty big deal, ang gave it advantage over the dying Dreamcast.
Yeah, from what I heard PS2's dvd player killed DC but that's apparently ignoring a lot of what actually happened.
The PS2 was basically the final nail in the coffin.
Ok, back to loving Sega. I want to play the first Golden Axe again. Good times.
Great Sega Games You've (well not necessarily YOU but the general populace) Never Played...
Eliminator
Zaxxon
Tac/Scan
Quartet
Bullet
Crack Down
SDI
Alien Syndrome
Alex Kidd in Miracle World
Alex Kidd The Lost Stars
Galaxy Force II (NOT THE GENESIS VERSION)
Dynamite Dux
AB Cop
Turbo OutRun
Rail Chase
Rent-A-Hero
Spider-Man The Videogame
Super Fantasy Zone
Puyo Puyo
Landstalker
OutRunners
Phantasy Star IV
Monster World IV
Jurassic Park Rampage Edition
Fighting Vipers
Rail Chase 2
Last Bronx
Dynamite Cop
Alex Kidd was the original de facto mascot way before Sonic.
Man, why haven't I played these yet? I'm terrible sometimes.
I still haven't added in my Wii points card. I think I might make my first purchase be for either Ristar or Shinobi III.
Unless you can name a better Sega game that I should get first, besides the Sonics, since I already own those. ;)
Better than Shinobi III or Ristar? That's difficult, since those are two of my favorite Genesis games. I would recommend Monster World IV but I'm not sure if you'd dig that one as much as the other two and it's 100 points more.
Quote from: Kiddington on March 15, 2013, 02:10:36 AM
Alex Kidd was the original de facto mascot way before Sonic.
Man, why haven't I played these yet? I'm terrible sometimes.
Other than the Janken boss fights Alex Kidd In Miracle World is pretty great if not ridiculously hard. I also really dig Alex Kidd In Shinobi World as sort of a Shinobi/Alex Kidd hybrid.
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on March 15, 2013, 06:12:26 PM
Better than Shinobi III or Ristar? That's difficult, since those are two of my favorite Genesis games. I would recommend Monster World IV but I'm not sure if you'd dig that one as much as the other two and it's 100 points more.
Huh, alright.
Well, I was waiting for your final approval, and you gave it to me. ;)
Enjoy 'em!
I also should mention the Rolling Thunder games, even if Sega didn't make them. Rolling Thunder 2 and 3 were released on the Genesis and are highly underrated shooters that are incredibly hard. They aren't run n' guns but in a style you don't see very much in how they are very methodical both in movements and how you ration your ammo out.
I really wish Namco would make a new one, but not in 3D. A 2D game like Contra 4 only in Rolling Thunder style would be great.
While its not a Sega-owned game, I REALLY fucking wish that Konami would re-release Rocket Knight Adventures on XBLA or Steam or something, so that I could legitimately own the game rather than having to rely on an emulator to play it. This is probably one of the few times where the HVGN (yeah, I do admit to watching that guy, sometimes) was completely right about a game that he hyped up, whereas he has a tendency to overrate some other games which are decent but not really great.
At any rate, if I ever buy myself a working Genesis, RKA would be one of the first games that I would get for it. Sparkster really is the most underrated video game mascot of all-time. For the record, I like it more than Sonic 1, 2, and CD, and I like 1 and CD, and downright LOVE the fuck out of Sonic 2, so that's saying a lot. Its probably my 2nd favorite Genesis game (out of the admittedly limited amount of titles that I've played for the console), right behind Sonic 3 & Knuckles.
RKA is one of Konami's best games full-stop. It's such a shame that they totally bungled that series up.
Alright, Desen, flip a coin, Shinobi II or Ristar. W/hat should my points go to?
I flipped it twice and got Shinobi III.
You can't go wrong with either, though!
Well I know what I'm downloading tomorrow.
Quote from: Lord Dalek on March 14, 2013, 04:11:11 PM
Great Sega Games You've (well not necessarily YOU but the general populace) Never Played...
Eliminator
Zaxxon
Tac/Scan
Quartet
Bullet
Crack Down
SDI
Alien Syndrome
Alex Kidd in Miracle World
Alex Kidd The Lost Stars
Galaxy Force II (NOT THE GENESIS VERSION)
Dynamite Dux
AB Cop
Turbo OutRun
Rail Chase
Rent-A-Hero
Spider-Man The Videogame
Super Fantasy Zone
Puyo Puyo
Landstalker
OutRunners
Phantasy Star IV
Monster World IV
Jurassic Park Rampage Edition
Fighting Vipers
Rail Chase 2
Last Bronx
Dynamite Cop
Damn, I need to catch up. I played like 3 of those games. Phantasy Star IV is of course my favorite RPG though ;)
In a perfect gaming world..
Sega would still have a console out (but still have all their games up to now available on the 3 other consoles and still have my favorite console creator mindset I mentioned here)
MS and Sony remember they have sizable game libraries (Actually Rare games and Tomba 3, please!)
I would have no complaints after that.
If it was still Sega Vs. Nintendo and Sony or Microsoft never entered the console race I can't imagine what it would be like out there.
Probably less closed companies, anyway.
today (the 14th) is sega genesis' 25th birthday.
One of the best systems ever.
my favorite console during its generation. probably the one i've had the most fun with.
Aww man, I finally bought a copy of Ristar last week. And it was only $5!
It should get here this week, I can't wait to finally play it. I need to seriously start adding to my Genesis collection, it's pretty paltry at this point (Sonic, Gunstar Heroes, and not much else).
my favorite genesis games:
sonic 2
streets of rage 2
phantasy star iv
gunstar heroes
sonic 1
contra hard corps
shining force
shining force 2
streets of rages
streets of rage 3 jp
in no order. i tried but it's too hard. i still need to beat rka, shadowrun and shinobi iii (without help on the last platforming section)
One game I wish Sega would port to PS3 is Power Drift. I played the heck out of that arcade machine back in the day.
Quote from: Speedy on January 28, 2015, 12:35:27 PM
One game I wish Sega would port to PS3 is Power Drift. I played the heck out of that arcade machine back in the day.
I've also wanted the Virtua Cop games and Golden Axe: Revenge of Death Adder to show up on a new system, but still not luck there yet.
i am still waiting for more than one shinobi to arrive on xbla.
So, Sega is pretty much dead. They're ceasing arcade game development, laying off a lot of the people from their western branches, and going to focus almost entirely on "PC online" (browser games?) and mobile from now.
Sad news, but not particularly unexpected. :'(
Could they at least take the liberty of selling off the IP rights of Sonic to Nintendo, Yakuza to Sony, and Shenmue to whoever would actually be willing to continue that series?
Oh, and give Shinobi to whoever made the 3DS game for it. Then they can focus on their mobile games that no one will ever play.
and give streets of rage to bombergames.
:srs:
They could at least put out their games on all the retro services. That's got to be a lot of good money for little effort. But still, this is a bad sign for the industry as one of the most important companies in it is falling apart. All those IPs are going to be wasted like Konami wastes their own.
How good was the Sega Master System?
I always forget about it. I have it ingrained in my mind that the Genesis was the beginning of Sega consoles.
Hell the Master System wasn't even the first Sega console. That was the SG-1000.
shiiiii..what the hell is a sg-1000?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SG-1000
so it's not a stargate?
Its basically a rebranded Colecovision/MSX1.
i am not even sure what those are like, lol. i will just google it since this phone can't click links.
Hmm...
Quote from: http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2015/07/07/sega-says-learning-from-atlus-will-help-it-restore-trust-with-fans.aspx"As far as the Western market goes, we learned a lot from Atlus," says Sega president and CEO Hajime Satomi. "If we can make a title with proper quality, I believe there's a good chance for it to do well even in the West for players that like to play Japanese games."
Satomi also says that he recognizes over the last decade, Sega has "partially betrayed" the trust of long-time fans. Sega may have something to announce at Tokyo Game Show this year, but Satomi recognizes that its shift to greater quality and its efforts to make amends to fans will be a longer endeavor.
That's going to be pretty difficult.
If Sega gets their shit together, that could seriously help me love games almost as much as I used to. They were my favorites.
Should I get Revenge Of The Shinobi or Shadow Dancer?
Also, would I be better off getting Sega Vintage Collection: Monster World (Wonder Boy in Monster Land, Wonder Boy in Monster World, and Monster World IV) for 10 bucks on XBLA or Wonder Boy in Monster World and Wonder III: Monster Lair for $6 on Steam?
Quote from: gunswordfist on October 14, 2015, 07:50:15 PM
Should I get Revenge Of The Shinobi or Shadow Dancer?
It really depends. Revenge of Shinobi is extremely hard, but is one of the best games on the Genesis. The controls are not as expansive as Shinobi III's, but it's also quite a different game from it. Shadow Dancer is structured after the original arcade game and deals in one hit deaths out the wazoo. It depends on which you'd prefer playing.
Quote from: gunswordfist on October 14, 2015, 07:50:15 PMAlso, would I be better off getting Sega Vintage Collection: Monster World (Wonder Boy in Monster Land, Wonder Boy in Monster World, and Monster World IV) for 10 bucks on XBLA or Wonder Boy in Monster World and Wonder III: Monster Lair for $6 on Steam?
The first deal is WAY better. Monster Land is a really tough, but really unique arcade game, Monster World is an excellent Metroidvania, and Monster World IV is one of the best Genesis games by far and this is the first time it's ever been released here.
Monster Lair is good, but it is a much different game from the usual Monster World games.
Thank you, man. You're a life saver.
I'll have to really think over the Shinobis. I played Revenge Of The Shinobi as a kid and really loved the level design. But I've never played Shadow Dancer before and it looked kind of interesting on a stream I recently watched. Decisions decisions.
Quote from: http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/11/rumour_leading_japanese_game_company_kidnapped_devs_sister_to_stop_them_from_working_with_nintendoMy younger sister was kidnapped. [REDACTED] hired some gangsters to do it. They did it to make me stop cooperating with Nintendo.
In Japan, you have these evil companies that always crop up, and unlike the West, in Japan there's a perception that "play" is bad, the opposite of hard work. So amusement-oriented industries inevitably become infested with evil companies and ties to the underworld. Take arcades, for example. In legal terms, they're covered under laws regarding the entertainment and amusement trades. So they're managed under the same laws that regulate the adult, or "pink", industry. Because of that, the underworld gets involved. The only companies that have been able to do business while staying clean are probably Nintendo and Namco.
It was one of their game machines. I dropped it in front of their offices, smashed it. And I told them that one of their employees would be next. To show them that I was serious. That way they would feel ashamed of their actions, you know? It was easy for me to get a [REDACTED] arcade cabinet cheaply, so I bought one from a distributor. I thought about robbing a [REDACTED] arcade, too, but that's much more difficult, and that would make me a criminal. With what I ended up doing, I could have been charged with something like unlawful dumping of garbage, but that's a minor offence. Whereas if I had robbed a [REDACTED] arcade, I would have been arrested. [REDACTED] was well-versed in using the underworld to get what they want, so if you're going up against them, you have to be smart. They're a big company, so if you try to fight them with ordinary methods, they'll work with the police and get the legal system to come after you. They might even pay off a politician, like a member of the National Diet. Who knows what they're capable of?
99% sure [REDACTED] is Sega. :lol:
It kind of gave it away when they said "[REDACTED] arcade". Though I mean Sega and Nintendo have worked together before so it's more than a bit bizarre from that angle.
So Yakuza is based off of Sega?
Quote from: gunswordfist on November 11, 2015, 03:43:01 PM
So Yakuza is based off of Sega?
Apparently the first Yakuza game entered development right after they were bought by Sammy, a pachinko company that some in Japan have alleged of having major yakuza ties. So... probably. :il_hahaha:
Sega Forever (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPnCBe0cLos)