Sonic The Hedgehog

[talonmalon333]

AKA, I hate this list too.

Ah, another scrub with no taste. You probably hate the Zelda Oracle games, too. Go back to playing Spirit Tracks and leave the real games to the real men.

If that's what being a real man is like, I'll stick with ST, thank you.

[gunswordfist]

Oh good, Foggle posted so I can double post in peace. Why do y'all prefer Sonic 3 or Sonic & Knuckles?

There's co-op?

Online only. The co-op is forced in single-player (like RE 5), and if Tails dies, you die too.

WHAT THE DOUCHEBAG?! This goes against everything Sonic Team made Tails for. His supposed to be available in single player and invincible. God, Tails can die?

[Foggle]

Oh good, Foggle posted so I can double post in peace. Why do y'all prefer Sonic 3 or Sonic & Knuckles?

I love Sonic 2, but some of the bosses and stages kind of get on my nerves. That doesn't really happen with Sonic 3 or S&K.

WHAT THE DOUCHEBAG?! This goes against everything Sonic Team made Tails for. His supposed to be available in single player and invincible. God, Tails can die?

I'm just joking. I have no idea how the co-op works in Episode 2.

If that's what being a real man is like, I'll stick with ST, thank you.

To put things in perspective:

SS Class - Foggle
S Class - Ensatsu-ken
E Class - gunswordfist
F Class - talonmalon333

[gunswordfist]

Make talon's class lower and I'll feel better.

I said Sonic 3 over Sonic  Knuckles, not the clearly superior Sonic 2.

[Foggle]

SS Class - Foggle
S Class - Ensatsu-ken
A Class - gunswordfist
Z Class - talonmalon333

I said Sonic 3 over Sonic  Knuckles, not the clearly superior Sonic 2.

Nostalgia, probably. They're basically on equal terms as far as level design and music go, IMO, but I guess I just prefer Sonic 3 since I played that one a lot more as a kid. It also has the best water level ever.

[gunswordfist]

Hydrocity is my favorite water level and S3/Knuckles stage. I think Sonic & Knuckles has a better set of stages overall and the main bosses are better.

[talonmalon333]

Sonic 3 & Knuckles is definitely superior to Sonic 2 if you ask me. Better levels, better bosses, better music... I just love everything about it.

S Class - Ensatsu-ken
A Class - gunswordfist

Well Foggle, I didn't know you like sucking those two low lifes.

[Foggle]

I don't suck anything, good sir. The rankings were decided using a fair power level comparison as patented by legendary power user KingofIPirates.

[Dr. Ensatsu-ken]

I slightly prefer Sonic and Knuckles over Sonic 3 is only because it has Flying Battery Zone and Lava Reef Zone, which are my 2 most favorite zones in S3&K. I know this sounds like blasphemy, but I'm not that big a fan of Hydrocity Zone. Don't get me wrong, its a really good zone, like most zones in Sonic 3, but I just don't see it as one of my favorites like most people do.

Also, I think Sonic 2 is much better than any of you people are giving it credit for. To me, with the exception of Aquatic Ruin Zone and Metropolis Zone which aren't anything special, the rest of its zones are really well designed (I don't count Sky Chase Zone as a real zone, so I'm not even factoring that in since its pretty much more like a bonus stage filler level). Also, it has the best casino/carnival/pinball zone in any Sonic game. I actually really disliked the one in Sonic 3, because while it was really big and expansive, it felt way too overcrowded with obstacles and was kind of annoying to navigate through, IMO. It gets better once you learn the level layout, but even then I feel that it was a zone way too obsessed with putting obstacles in your way than letting you play through it really fast and smooth, which I guess is kind of the point of these types of zones, but I think it went a little bit overboard in Sonic 3, personally.

[Foggle]

Sonic 2 is my 4th favorite of the series. I don't really see how I'm not giving it enough credit.

[talonmalon333]

I don't suck anything, good sir. The rankings were decided using a fair power level comparison as patented by legendary power user KingofIPirates.

Oh man, I forgot all about him. XD

You, sir, win the day.

I slightly prefer Sonic and Knuckles over Sonic 3 is only because it has Flying Battery Zone and Lava Reef Zone, which are my 2 most favorite zones in S3&K. I know this sounds like blasphemy, but I'm not that big a fan of Hydrocity Zone. Don't get me wrong, its a really good zone, like most zones in Sonic 3, but I just don't see it as one of my favorites like most people do.

Also, I think Sonic 2 is much better than any of you people are giving it credit for. To me, with the exception of Aquatic Ruin Zone and Metropolis Zone which aren't anything special, the rest of its zones are really well designed (I don't count Sky Chase Zone as a real zone, so I'm not even factoring that in since its pretty much more like a bonus stage filler level). Also, it has the best casino/carnival/pinball zone in any Sonic game. I actually really disliked the one in Sonic 3, because while it was really big and expansive, it felt way too overcrowded with obstacles and was kind of annoying to navigate through, IMO. It gets better once you learn the level layout, but even then I feel that it was a zone way too obsessed with putting obstacles in your way than letting you play through it really fast and smooth, which I guess is kind of the point of these types of zones, but I think it went a little bit overboard in Sonic 3, personally.

Oh, I totally agree with you about Sonic 2's quality. It's definitely a close second for me. And if you split Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles, they'd both lose to Sonic 2. As for Casino Night Zone... best level in the entire series. The reason I say I "definitely" prefer Sonic 3 & Knuckles is simply cause I'd rank it among my favorite games of all time. Sonic 2 would just barely miss. Still a close fight though.

(I also agree that Sonic & Knuckles is better than Sonic 3.)

[gunswordfist]

I slightly prefer Sonic and Knuckles over Sonic 3 is only because it has Flying Battery Zone and Lava Reef Zone, which are my 2 most favorite zones in S3&K. I know this sounds like blasphemy, but I'm not that big a fan of Hydrocity Zone. Don't get me wrong, its a really good zone, like most zones in Sonic 3, but I just don't see it as one of my favorites like most people do.

Also, I think Sonic 2 is much better than any of you people are giving it credit for. To me, with the exception of Aquatic Ruin Zone and Metropolis Zone which aren't anything special, the rest of its zones are really well designed (I don't count Sky Chase Zone as a real zone, so I'm not even factoring that in since its pretty much more like a bonus stage filler level). Also, it has the best casino/carnival/pinball zone in any Sonic game. I actually really disliked the one in Sonic 3, because while it was really big and expansive, it felt way too overcrowded with obstacles and was kind of annoying to navigate through, IMO. It gets better once you learn the level layout, but even then I feel that it was a zone way too obsessed with putting obstacles in your way than letting you play through it really fast and smooth, which I guess is kind of the point of these types of zones, but I think it went a little bit overboard in Sonic 3, personally.

Thanks for reminding me about Flying Battery Zone. S&K definitely takes it for me. You lose points for your lack of Hydrocity love though.

And yes, Carnival Zone sucks. I had to bug y'all about how to get past that cylinder of doom (yes, I played the game that late in life)

Also, I agree with talon about Casino Zone being the best Sonic zone ever.

[Spark Of Spirit]

Sonic 2 is a great game, I don't think anyone is denying that. It's just my least favorite classic game.

Also Launch Base is the most underrated level ever. That level is pure class. And if you play it as Knuckles, you go in an entirely different path that is just as awesome.

So does the apparent lock-on fix any Episode I issues?

The lock-on is apparently just Episode Metal which is 4 acts long (all new acts) each of an episode 1 zone with episode 2 physics.

I'll probably end up playing Episode Metal more than Episode 1.

[Dr. Ensatsu-ken]

Well, I definitely agree that S3&K is a stronger game (or "are" stronger games even if you count them separately....well, Sonic and Knuckles is, anyways), but I still personally can't see how anyone can prefer Sonic 1 over 2, if only because I find the spin dash to be one of the most essential abilities to have in ANY 2D Sonic game, and the first game really suffers from lacking that one move, IMO. I also prefer the 2 acts per zone structure of the sequels (in favor of more, and varied, zones) to the 3 act structure of Sonic 1, since Act 3 of each zone is when I get the feeling that its dragging on. That's another thing I hated about Metropolis Zone in Sonic 2, and I'm not sure why that was the only zone that was 3 acts long.

[Spark Of Spirit]

I like Sonic 1 more than Sonic 2 because it tries everything in order to find its identity. It has fast stages, slow stages, exploration stages, and experimentation stages like Spring Yard and Scrap Brain. Since I'm a platformer side-scrolling nut, I pretty much love how different it is. Short of Labyrinth Act 2 and its boss, I really like every stage and I find it really tight for replays.

I also don't mind the lack of a spin dash, because I never really need it. Every single hill in this that you would want to spin dash up usually has a spring nearby or a half pipe to gain momentum through anyway.

IMO, it's one of the best games ever.