The Legend of Zelda Series

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Ghost Babel is apparently an alternate universe, same with the Ac!d games. I wish the Ghost Babel universe was canon. 

Oh, I see. Are the Ac!d games any good? They're the only ones I haven't played.

[Spark Of Spirit]

Also, it's interesting to note in that Zelda timeline that ALTTP Link was in the highest concentration of games (and IMO, the best ones), compared to any of the others.

Ghost Babel is apparently an alternate universe, same with the Ac!d games. I wish the Ghost Babel universe was canon. 

Oh, I see. Are the Ac!d games any good? They're the only ones I haven't played.

They're different. I never got around to 2 since it was nigh impossible to find around here, but they were an interesting idea of blending stealth and strategy gameplay together. People were no very receptive to them however because they wanted a normal stealth game.

[Rynnec]

I don't really pay attention to the plot or continuity in Zelda games. At this point, even Bayonetta and Ninja Gaiden 2 make more sense than the LoZ canon...

I hope the next Zelda is post-Zelda 2 finally.

Isn't Twilight Princess post-Zelda 2?

... This is why the Zelda timeline is so annoying. I really hope we get a parallel dimension game that merges all three timelines together again so things can go back to normal. The three streams makes it really confusing.



Zelda 2 is still the last game in the series... Despite being the second game made. 

Eh, merging the timelines would just make an even bigger mess of things, IMO. I like the split timeline idea, it gives Nintendo more leeway to take bigger risks with the franchise without completely screwing it over (e.g If they make a drastic change to a game set in one timeline that gets badly recepted, they always have another timeline to fall back on). Too bad they seem more focused on going backwards rather than forwards.

[Nel_Annette]

Also, it's interesting to not in that Zelda timeline that ALTTP Link was in the highest concentration of games (and IMO, the best ones), compared to any of the others.

I've been making this joke about how I'm glad Link was killed by Ganon so that timeline could exist. Most of my favorite games in the series are in that timeline. 

Poor ALttP Link, though. Saves Hyrule, Holodrum, and Labrynna from Ganon (within two separate occasions), gets stuck on an island that doesn't actually exist, gets crushed on by a girl who's actually a seagull, and gets stranded in the middle of the ocean after it's all said and done. I hope that bigass whale gave him a lift home.

[Spark Of Spirit]

Also, it's interesting to not in that Zelda timeline that ALTTP Link was in the highest concentration of games (and IMO, the best ones), compared to any of the others.

I've been making this joke about how I'm glad Link was killed by Ganon so that timeline could exist. Most of my favorite games in the series are in that timeline. 

Poor ALttP Link, though. Saves Hyrule, Holodrum, and Labrynna from Ganon (within two separate occasions), gets stuck on an island that doesn't actually exist, gets crushed on by a girl who's actually a seagull, and gets stranded in the middle of the ocean after it's all said and done. I hope that bigass whale gave him a lift home.

I think he got a better fate to him than Kid Link from OoT... Who apparently never made it out of the forest in Majora's Mask.

Then there's Adult Link's world getting flooded out...

Wow, OoT did a lot of damage to Zelda's world!

[talonmalon333]

Weird. But cool.

Still, I like the cap basically being a gift from Ezlo explaining where Link got the iconic cap from. It was a nice touch.

AoL was meant to be the story about "the first Zelda". That's no longer the case, either.

Also, OoT was meant to be the "Imprisoning War", which is the backstory of ALttP. That's been changed.

I think the timeline is somewhat interesting. After beating games, I enjoy wondering where they go in relation to the other games. I just wish that Nintendo would adhere to their original intent a little bit more. I also think they shouldn't have revealed the timeline. I don't have many issues with the timeline itself. I just think, by keeping it a secret, not only does it keep interest up, it also emphasizes the fact that the timeline isn't important to the individual games. We simply don't have to know it to enjoy the games.

... But if any of you are curious what I think, FS should be after TP, and featuring the same Link as in FSA. It just makes the continuity so much better.

[Nel_Annette]

I love that so much. Despite Demise's curse basically ensuring that Link would come back to fight Ganondorf eventually, the gods basically say "fuck it" and drown everything. Like that's their own solution to stop the curse, and then there's that awkward moment when they realize some Hylians actually survived. 

[talonmalon333]

Whoa, maybe you should put a spoiler warning in there.

[Spark Of Spirit]

I always thought FSA was just kind of haphazardly placed in the timeline. There isn't any reason it couldn't take place... well, anywhere else. It was probably put there to fill space. 

Four Swords taking place right after Minish Cap feels weird, too. Vaati should have been sealed a little bit longer than that!

I love that so much. Despite Demise's curse basically ensuring that Link would come back to fight Ganondorf eventually, the gods basically say "fuck it" and drown everything. Like that's their own solution to stop the curse, and then there's that awkward moment when they realize some Hylians actually survived. 

So weird that they didn't do that when Link actually "lost", though. But then we wouldn't have gotten the "classic Zelda" timeline which is why I assume it was put there as that is basically the original timeline from NES to GBC.

[Kiddington]

Honestly, I haven't payed attention to the Zelda timeline since... well, ever. Trying to piece this series together into one coherent string of events, it's just... 

Better for my sanity that way. I just like to think in the back of my mind that somehow, someway, it all works, and I don't dare question it. 

[Nel_Annette]

Oh, hell. Sorry Talon. I thought it had been out long enough.

How do I set spoilers on this board? What I usually do on other boards isn't working here.

[talonmalon333]

I always thought FSA was just kind of haphazardly placed in the timeline. There isn't any reason it couldn't take place... well, anywhere else. It was probably put there to fill space. 

It actually fits after TP decently. If you remember, at the end of TP (SPOILER ALERT)...

Ganon states that "this battle doesn't end here", or something along those lines. Basically, saying that he'd return... FSA is the only game where it's flat out stated that this is a new/reincarnated Ganon.

Four Swords taking place right after Minish Cap feels weird, too. Vaati should have been sealed a little bit longer than that!

My main issue is that FSA acts like it's the same Link that defeated Vaati in FS. The intro even states that, after FS, Hyrule remained in a state of peace... Which hardly makes sense if Hyrule was in danger several times between games.

So weird that they didn't do that when Link actually "lost", though. But then we wouldn't have gotten the "classic Zelda" timeline which is why I assume it was put there as that is basically the original timeline from NES to GBC.

They flooded Hyrule before WW cause the Hylians couldn't stop Ganon. But in the classic Zelda timeline (commonly known as the "Decline Timeline", or DT) the Sages could still face Ganon, and I believe Hyrule's knights were still alive.

I've always really liked WW's ending, cause it ensured the end of the battle, and opens up a new future for the history of the world. Hyrule's gone, Ganon's been destroyed for good, and Link and Tetra sail "wherever the wind takes them"... Though they ended up making two sequels to this ending.

[Rynnec]

FSA's placement in the timeline is somehwat odd because, iirc, it explained how Ganon got his Trident. But that's the only game in the timeline where Ganon appears with his trident.

[Spark Of Spirit]

There just feels like a giant amount of time between Twilight Princess and FSA and it feels like something is missing. Probably because that timeline was shaping up to be pretty grim (MM and TP), and all of a sudden things are normal again in FSA.

I've always really liked WW's ending, cause it ensured the end of the battle, and opens up a new future for the history of the world. Hyrule's gone, Ganon's been destroyed for good, and Link and Tetra sail "wherever the wind takes them"... Though they ended up making two sequels to this ending.

Well, aren't the sequels just their continuing adventures?  There basically is no more Hyrule in that timeline, which is why those games are so different.

However, I do like the three timelines for having different approaches (the classic one, the dark one, and the new world one) but I would like them to converge on one again at some point. They can always go back and tell other series in the timelines if they want, but I would prefer having things straightforward again.

But despite all this, I don't really care all that much about the timeline as a whole. It's just fun to discuss when bored. 

[talonmalon333]

FSA's placement in the timeline is somehwat odd because, iirc, it explained how Ganon got his Trident. But that's the only game in the timeline where Ganon appears with his trident.

Admittedly, that's weird. There was a time when I thought the timeline contained a straight line of "MC-FS-FSA-ALttP-OoX-LA-LoZ-AoL", mainly cause FSA contains so many elements of ALttP, and introduces the Trident. It also shows Ganon getting sealed away, which is how we find him in ALttP.

There just feels like a giant amount of time between Twilight Princess and FSA and it feels like something is missing. Probably because that timeline was shaping up to be pretty grim (MM and TP), and all of a sudden things are normal again in FSA.

Don't forget. There's still time for more games to happen after TP. I wouldn't be surprised if Zelda Wii U is a sequel to TP, in fact.

Well, aren't the sequels just their continuing adventures?  There basically is no more Hyrule in that timeline, which is why those games are so different.

True. It's just that, in my opinion, WW is such a good finale that I think no games should've ever come after it. Before PH came out, I believed that the intent was to leave the future of the world up to the player's imagination. ST introduces a new Hyrule (that's not a spoiler, as it's mentioned in the manual for the game). This New Hyrule is so different that it's no big deal... But I don't know. I feel like I didn't need the future of this timeline explained to me.

However, I do like the three timelines for having different approaches (the classic one, the dark one, and the new world one) but I would like them to converge on one again at some point. They can always go back and tell other series in the timelines if they want, but I would prefer having things straightforward again.

But if the timelines merged together, what would become the real one? Would the Great Sea suddenly vanish, or would it drop onto all the people that were living content in Hyrule in the other timelines? Merging them is just a messy idea, in my opinion.

But despite all this, I don't really care all that much about the timeline as a whole. It's just fun to discuss when bored. 

That's good. I was kind of worried that my timeline knowledge would bore you guys, but I'm glad that some of you are at least a little interested.

Oh, hell. Sorry Talon. I thought it had been out long enough.

How do I set spoilers on this board? What I usually do on other boards isn't working here.

I'm not sure. You might want to ask one of the staff members here.