Ultimate Spider-Man

[Foggle]

Well, who knows maybe by the end of it's first season it'll pick up. Honestly, just take out the cutaway jokes, narrations and action scene stoppage and there's an average or decent Spider-Man cartoon underneath. 

Basically, yeah. Though they should really dump Drake Bell, too...

[Daxdiv]

I also blame Quesada for making Loeb work as well. Wasn't it due to the fact that Loeb's son died that we got some grim story where he decided to kill Bucky and Bucky was basically a spitting image of his son? Give me another reason to hate Quesada.

[Spark Of Spirit]

Well, who knows maybe by the end of it's first season it'll pick up. Honestly, just take out the cutaway jokes, narrations and action scene stoppage and there's an average or decent Spider-Man cartoon underneath. 

Basically, yeah. Though they should really dump Drake Bell, too...

His voice really doesn't seem to fit the character. I'm not sure what it is, it's not really the acting, it's the way his voice sounds.

[Foggle]

Well, who knows maybe by the end of it's first season it'll pick up. Honestly, just take out the cutaway jokes, narrations and action scene stoppage and there's an average or decent Spider-Man cartoon underneath. 

Basically, yeah. Though they should really dump Drake Bell, too...

His voice really doesn't seem to fit the character. I'm not sure what it is, it's not really the acting, it's the way his voice sounds.

Bingo. He sounds too... pretty? Not sure what the word is.

Also, Peter's character design looks disturbingly similar to how Tim B^Uckley draws himself...

[Spark Of Spirit]

My friend made a comment that the faces don't look right. I think he has a point, they definitely look bizarre when in animation.

[Dr. Insomniac]

So I'm watching the first few episodes due to the Scratchcast. My face is twitching.

[Spark Of Spirit]

Make sure to watch the rest to see how it manages to somehow get worse.

[Dr. Ensatsu-ken]

I've been so spoiled by getting used to Josh Keaton's Spider-Man/Peter Parker voice in TSSM that I'm not sure if I can adjust to any new SM voice, personally.

[Peanutbutter]

Found this from TZ:

http://www.marveltvnews.com/2012/05/15/rumor-marvel-studios-insider-spills-the-bean-regarding-ultimate-spider-man-and-agents-of-s-m-a-s-h-2/

According to AgentX (my insider?s fictional alias) Marvel does know that fans are hating Ultimate Spider-man. In fact many Marvel Studios employees who are working on the show hate it. However, Marvel and Disney invensted a lot of money in it and will not be cancelling it anytime soon. Especially since many Marvel big guys believe the show is doing great (although the ratings have started dropping after episode 3 ?Doomed?).

- Many discussions have been taking place regarding Avengers EMH (which is ending after this season) and how it could be the reason people are watching Ultimate Spider-man, since it broadcasts prior to the hit show Avengers. To make sure this isn?t the case, there will be many instances where Disney XD will air a new episode of Ultimate Spider-man while putting Avengers: EMH on a short hiatus. (AgentX and many Marvel guys believe that Avengers EMH brings the biggest number of viewers to watch Ultimate Spider-man)

- Season 2 of Ultimate Spider-man is in full production right now, as it was green lit before the show even premiered, and Marvel is not planning any change to the show tone, its humor, execution or even character development.

- The Statement Paul Dini, one of the producers and writers of the show, about the show getting mature with more seasons is false and wishful thinking, as Marvel had made it clear that the tone will not change. In fact according to AgentX, even Dini himself is not very happy with how the show turns out and wanted to have some maturity in it, which Marvel rejected.

- Jeph Loeb is definitely one of the main guys who is pushing for the tone of the show. According to Agent X, Jeph wants Marvel Cartoons to prepare the youglings to be future Marvel comics fans, and he insisted on having all the Marvel cartons (Ultimate Spider-man, Hulk agents of SMASH, and the second half season of Avengers EMH) with no over reaching story, no 2 or 3 episodes parters, and no continuity.

-As Much as people are complaining about the show, they do not address their complaints to anyone. AgentX believes that if enough people wrote to Marvel and the show producers about how much they hate the show, then chances are higher for the show to be fixed or cancelled and replaced by a better Spider-man show.

- Hulk Agents of SMASH, is a bit diffirent than Ultimate Spider-man, but still geared towards children. According to AgentX, the episode stories of the show are very simple, under-explained and many times don?t make sense at all.

- Much like Ultimate Spider-man, HULK Agents of SMASH?s characters backgrounds is never explored, but only touched upon (just like Ultimate spider-man?s teammates)

- While there are no Cut away gags, and breaking the 4th wall jokes in Agents of SMASH, there are some episodes where the characters are talking to the viewer, as in a reality show, where each member of the hulk team will explain things and tell his view on the episode?s situation. (AgentX is not sure how many episodes will be in this format)

- According to AgentX, if you hate Ultimate Spider-man, chances are you will not like Hulk and the Agents of SMASH.

- Hulk Agents of SMASH can be described as a mindless action show, with no character development and no intelligent stories.

The shorter version, even some of the show's staff and Paul Dini are hating how Ultimate Spider-Man has turned out. Dini wanted the show to be mature, but Jeph Loeb and Marvel's top brass said no. 


Not a surprise at all. Paul Dini is a competent writer who made some of the best episodes of the DCAU and even did great work recently for Batman: The Brave and the Bold. Obviously, whatever work he's allowed to do if any is just getting filtered out by Loeb or possibly Quesada himself.


There's a short hiatus for Avengers: EMH coming up so they can be sure if it's the only thing holding Ultimate Spider-Man up in the ratings. Doesn't matter much though, EMH is likely still canned and there's going to be a second season for Spidey coming up.


The mention about enough people writing to Marvel gives me a little hope, but I'm not sure how many people would be willing to actually get together and do so instead of being apathetic. 

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According to AgentX (my insider's fictional alias)

- Jeph Loeb is definitely one of the main guys who is pushing for the tone of the show. According to Agent X, Jeph wants Marvel Cartoons to prepare the youglings to be future Marvel comics fans, and he insisted on having all the Marvel cartons (Ultimate Spider-man, Hulk agents of SMASH, and the second half season of Avengers EMH) with no over reaching story, no 2 or 3 episodes parters, and no continuity.

Can't wait for the rumored Deadpool animated series to be a goofy kids' show...

[Avaitor]

- Jeph Loeb is definitely one of the main guys who is pushing for the tone of the show. According to Agent X, Jeph wants Marvel Cartoons to prepare the youglings to be future Marvel comics fans, and he insisted on having all the Marvel cartons (Ultimate Spider-man, Hulk agents of SMASH, and the second half season of Avengers EMH) with no over reaching story, no 2 or 3 episodes parters, and no continuity.

FUUUUUUUUUU

Do what you want with the Spider-Man and Hulk shows, which have been like this since day 1, but leave Avengers out of it.

[Dr. Ensatsu-ken]

Yeah, I was REALLY liking Avengers. I have no problems with them ending it with this season, but why the fuck did they have to actually screw with the writing of the show for the 2nd half of the season? At least they could have let it run its course.

At any rate, was the show actually even getting poor ratings? I heard it was doing pretty decently, and if it wasn't it sure as hell deserved to get good ratings. I sincerely hope that Ultimate Spider-Man does not get higher ratings than Avengers does, and I hope the ratings drop like crazy once Avengers goes on hiatus, because if that doesn't happen I'll lose my faith in childhood. I mean, I know they say kids will watch any junk, but even kids have enough taste to know what cartoons are better than others. When I was a kid, I at least always knew that a show like BTAS was a far better show than SMTAS ever was. I knew that Gargoyles was at least a hundred times better than TMNT. I'm hoping that kids today can at least tell which show makes for better entertainment.

[Spark Of Spirit]

It really is aggravating to see all the support USM is undeservedly getting when TSSM got thrown under the bus so early in its run.

The worst part? Nobody likes it.

Kids hate it, fans hate, the staff hates it, and even early supporters don't even care about it anymore. Yet they've invested so much into this. For what reason? It's barely even about Spider-Man.

[Avaitor]

What really pisses me off is the "cartoons for kids" mentality that Marvel has. Haven't they noticed how adults watch TSSM and A: EMH alongside with kids?

This isn't the 80's, guys. Cartoons aren't just for Saturday mornings and shovelware anymore. Although it sure seems like we're going back to then.

[Peanutbutter]

According to GregX, Frank Paur (who does not work on the show) told him and others that there's no change in quality after the regime change on Avengers: EMH. If he's right, there shouldn't be anything to worry about. Though, it won't hurt to stay a little cautious.


Honestly, that's okay with me. Other than Skrull-Cap (and Miss Marvel's recruitment) there really isn't that much of a story arc in this season as opposed to last season. As long it does manage to retain it's quality in the last twelve episodes, I'll be okay with it ending. That said, the reasons why its ending still completely suck. 



I really don't think it would be a bad idea to do what that insider suggested. If we got enough people to write to Disney and Marvel about how bad Ultimate  Spider-Man is; Disney might cancel it or order Quesada to fix it.