Let's Play....er Read The Hunger Games (an experiment in literary criticism).

Started by Lord Dalek, April 13, 2012, 02:31:38 PM

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Spark Of Spirit

Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on April 22, 2012, 11:14:23 PM
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What makes Katniss so special?
She's a beautiful strong woman who don't need no man.
Yep, she's about as well written as the Bride from Kill Bill.
Eh, even the Bride's more well-written when you get down to it.
Mostly because the Bride doesn't need to be well-written... Kill Bill is an action movie in homage to violent Asian flicks. Hunger Games is supposed to be "deep" or something.
Yeah, The Hunger Games is trying to show us the brutality of violence by showing how cool it is.
Just like Battle Royale.

Only Battle Royale tried a lot harder.
"The world will never starve for want of wonders, but for want of wonder." - G.K. Chesterton

Foggle

Aside from the movie, I don't think Battle Royale really glorified the violence, though. The manga's brutality is sickening and I'm sure the novel is just as horrific.

Avaitor

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Spark Of Spirit

Quote from: Foggle on April 22, 2012, 11:17:07 PM
Aside from the movie, I don't think Battle Royale really glorified the violence, though. The manga's brutality is sickening and I'm sure the novel is just as horrific.
Yes, it isn't really glorifying violence so much as renouncing it. I think I quoted the wrong person.  :rtard:
"The world will never starve for want of wonders, but for want of wonder." - G.K. Chesterton

Rynnec

Quote from: Foggle on April 22, 2012, 11:11:57 PM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on April 22, 2012, 11:08:04 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 22, 2012, 11:04:22 PM
Quote from: Foggle on April 22, 2012, 10:58:08 PM
Quote from: Rynnec on April 22, 2012, 10:56:14 PM
What makes Katniss so special?
She's a beautiful strong woman who don't need no man.
Yep, she's about as well written as the Bride from Kill Bill.
Eh, even the Bride's more well-written when you get down to it.
Mostly because the Bride doesn't need to be well-written... Kill Bill is an action movie in homage to violent Asian flicks. Hunger Games is supposed to be "deep" or something.

Yeah, at the end of the day, I'd take a one-note yet still fun to watch and charismatic female character over one that tries to be deep yet comes off as boring and pretentious anyday.

Quote from: Avaitor on April 22, 2012, 11:17:47 PM
It is, after all, a psychological thriller.

And since it has a female main character who knows how to shoot an arrow, then that clearly means the book is feminist!


Avaitor

I swear that I've seen people say that they wanna be Katniss and defend their honor and find true love in the Hunger Games or something.

I have no idea where they'd get those morals from the books or movie, but are there any actual morals from them to begin with?
Life is not about the second chances. It's about a little mouse and his voyage to an exciting new land. That, my friend, is what life is.

Sir, do you have any Warrants?
I got their first CD, but you can't have it, motherfucker!

New blog!
http://avaitorsblog.blogspot.com/

Spark Of Spirit

Quote from: Foggle on April 22, 2012, 11:11:57 PM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on April 22, 2012, 11:08:04 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 22, 2012, 11:04:22 PM
Quote from: Foggle on April 22, 2012, 10:58:08 PM
Quote from: Rynnec on April 22, 2012, 10:56:14 PM
What makes Katniss so special?
She's a beautiful strong woman who don't need no man.
Yep, she's about as well written as the Bride from Kill Bill.
Eh, even the Bride's more well-written when you get down to it.
Mostly because the Bride doesn't need to be well-written... Kill Bill is an action movie in homage to violent Asian flicks. Hunger Games is supposed to be "deep" or something.
The fact that they're comparable at all isn't a good thing. Kill Bill wasn't about depth, but Hunger Games is supposed to be.

If you watch the movie, Peeta literally does nothing to warrant Katniss' wrath, yet she still tears into him at the drop of a hat at every turn. Because she isn't ever not Moody Girl unless she's around an 11 year old girl or two.
"The world will never starve for want of wonders, but for want of wonder." - G.K. Chesterton

Dr. Insomniac

The series threw away its morals once Katniss killed a woman in cold blood during Mockingjay, so I can't really say.

Spark Of Spirit

Quote from: Avaitor on April 22, 2012, 11:23:17 PM
I swear that I've seen people say that they wanna be Katniss and defend their honor and find true love in the Hunger Games or something.

I have no idea where they'd get those morals from the books or movie, but are there any actual morals from them to begin with?
What?

Back when Titanic came out I heard people saying (unironically mind you) things like: "I heard the ship sinks in the end." while in line for the movie.
"The world will never starve for want of wonders, but for want of wonder." - G.K. Chesterton

Foggle

Quote from: Avaitor on April 22, 2012, 11:23:17 PM
I swear that I've seen people say that they wanna be Katniss and defend their honor and find true love in the Hunger Games or something.
More than likely they're just future mass murderers/serial rapists who want to be part of some fucked up voyeuristic fantasy that lets them get away with it.

Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 22, 2012, 11:25:19 PM
If you watch the movie, Peeta literally does nothing to warrant Katniss' wrath, yet she still tears into him at the drop of a hat at every turn.
Sounds like Collins is an anime fan.

Dr. Insomniac

Quote from: Foggle on April 22, 2012, 11:28:29 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 22, 2012, 11:25:19 PM
If you watch the movie, Peeta literally does nothing to warrant Katniss' wrath, yet she still tears into him at the drop of a hat at every turn.
Sounds like Collins is an anime fan.
"Peeta no baka! I-it's not like I w-wanted to be in the games with you."

Spark Of Spirit

Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on April 22, 2012, 11:29:36 PM
Quote from: Foggle on April 22, 2012, 11:28:29 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 22, 2012, 11:25:19 PM
If you watch the movie, Peeta literally does nothing to warrant Katniss' wrath, yet she still tears into him at the drop of a hat at every turn.
Sounds like Collins is an anime fan.
"Peeta no baka! I-it's not like I w-wanted to be in the games with you."
That's... quite accurate.

Scarily so.
"The world will never starve for want of wonders, but for want of wonder." - G.K. Chesterton

Avaitor

Life is not about the second chances. It's about a little mouse and his voyage to an exciting new land. That, my friend, is what life is.

Sir, do you have any Warrants?
I got their first CD, but you can't have it, motherfucker!

New blog!
http://avaitorsblog.blogspot.com/

Rynnec

Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 22, 2012, 11:25:19 PM
Quote from: Foggle on April 22, 2012, 11:11:57 PM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on April 22, 2012, 11:08:04 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 22, 2012, 11:04:22 PM
Quote from: Foggle on April 22, 2012, 10:58:08 PM
Quote from: Rynnec on April 22, 2012, 10:56:14 PM
What makes Katniss so special?
She's a beautiful strong woman who don't need no man.
Yep, she's about as well written as the Bride from Kill Bill.
Eh, even the Bride's more well-written when you get down to it.
Mostly because the Bride doesn't need to be well-written... Kill Bill is an action movie in homage to violent Asian flicks. Hunger Games is supposed to be "deep" or something.
The fact that they're comparable at all isn't a good thing. Kill Bill wasn't about depth, but Hunger Games is supposed to be.

If you watch the movie, Peeta literally does nothing to warrant Katniss' wrath, yet she still tears into him at the drop of a hat at every turn. Because she isn't ever not Moody Girl unless she's around an 11 year old girl or two.

Those are the other types of female characters I've seen Katniss compared to. Apparently not resorting to/willling to do violence makes one a stronger character. Cool, I get that. But what about her personality?

Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 22, 2012, 11:30:48 PM
Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on April 22, 2012, 11:29:36 PM
Quote from: Foggle on April 22, 2012, 11:28:29 PM
Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on April 22, 2012, 11:25:19 PM
If you watch the movie, Peeta literally does nothing to warrant Katniss' wrath, yet she still tears into him at the drop of a hat at every turn.
Sounds like Collins is an anime fan.
"Peeta no baka! I-it's not like I w-wanted to be in the games with you."
That's... quite accurate.

Scarily so.

That's what I was about to say. I'll laugh if Rie Kugiyama ends up voicing Katniss in the Japanese dub. :D

Lord Dalek

Wow... I go to bed and an entire page goes by...

CHAPTER EIGHTEEN: Convenience Stor-ytelling

Good news... that dick from District One Got Arrow'd. Bad news... Rue's about to get low.

With her dying breaths, Rue asks Katniss to sing to her to ease the pain. Katniss does and then Rue is gone. After gathering up the supplies from Rue and that dick before the Gamemakers repo them, Katniss decides that little Rue deserves more than just being hauled off into a hovercraft straight for the incinerator, so she braids her hair with various wildflowers to add dignity. A proper hero's burial.

Now the movie added something to this scene that is very, very different from what the book gave us. After her little funeral service, Katniss receives another gift from her sponsors, hopefully something to use with her dead left ear. It turns out its neither. Its a gift from Rue's sponsors, a brown croissant-like roll with raisins in it. Katniss takes the roll and thanks the people of District 11 expecting that part to be bleeped out by the censors.

IN THE MOVIE ON THE OTHER HAND... this is the moment where the revolt begins and we get to see it in an awesome montage. Its the most powerful scene in the whole thing, watching the District 11 farmhands destroy grain counters and papermills before begin struck down by swarms of peacekeepers. If there was any reason to justify seeing the Hunger Games and there's quite a few since its a very good film, that scene would be the first. It also serves as a good explanation for the otherwise out of left field event that is about to occur.

An announcement is made by Claudius Templesmith, there has been a rule change this year. This gets Katniss' attention as there really aren't any rules at all to the Hunger Games. The change is simple: if two tribunes from the same district are still alive at the end, they both win. Does this mean Katniss DOESN'T have to kill Peeta after all!?!?

Yeah one more thing about that, in the movie we got to see exactly why that change was made. Its because Haymitch used the revolt in District 11 to manipulate Seneca Crane (a character who otherwise has not even been in this book) to change the rules. Oh Haymitch you cad....


END OF PART TWO.