Things That Don't Bother You About Gaming

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Dr. Ensatsu-ken

Quote from: talonmalon333 on August 10, 2012, 01:06:26 PM
This is basically how I compare the Wii to the other consoles.

In terms of quality: PS3 and 360 > Wii

Define quality, though? Do you mean in terms of the hardware itself (like graphics capability and online support), or are you referring to the software line-up for the consoles?

QuoteIn terms of value: Wii > PS3 and 360

I'm assuming by this you mean the general comparison of actual good exclusive games between each console. I feel like if you are really into a lot of the big 3rd party games from this gen, they you'll need either an XBOX360 or a PS3 in order to experience those. If you just want really well-designed first and second-party exclusives and don't consider classic style platformers and other non-gory games too "kiddy" for your tastes, then the Wii definitely has the most game value in that regard. Nobody can argue that fact.

QuoteBasically, the PS3 and 360 have more good games than the Wii. However, because the Wii has so many games that can only be played on it, the Wii ends up having more value. To me, there's very little reason to have all 3 consoles. Just makes the most sense either owning a Wii and a PS3, or a Wii and a 360.

Honestly, even counting third-party games, I still think the Wii has more good games in general. Most of its good games are exclusives as it doesn't have good third-party support this gen, BUT you have to take into account that modern gamers and critics are just too easy and get impressed by the honestly lackluster output of third-party games this gen. Sorry, but Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty and its various clones, simulation type sports games, the Batman Arkham games, and various other popular titles from this gen are all vastly overrated. A lot of them offer shallow experiences that just have nice graphics and cinematic set designs and rely heavily on scripted events. I've tried many of these third-party games and hardly any of them impress me. I just get bored because it has become so common for games to hold your hand and have no real imagination or creativity to their gameplay, lately. Personally I think most modern third-party games blow, this gen. Modern critics and gamers are just stupid and will let just about anything easy and accessible wow them.

QuoteOr, truthfully, a Wii and a PC, if you have one that's good for gaming.

That'd probably be the most ideal combo of systems to have, for this gen. The PC has been getting A LOT of third party support in the past few years, so it already beat the XBOX360 at its own game, and the Wii is the only system where you are guaranteed to get numerous quality exclusives. Why so many critics and modern gamers try to put it down is beyond me.

Rynnec

Quote from: Ensatsu-ken
Honestly, even counting third-party games, I still think the Wii has more good games in general. Most of its good games are exclusives as it doesn't have good third-party support this gen, BUT you have to take into account that modern gamers and critics are just too easy and get impressed by the honestly lackluster output of third-party games this gen. Sorry, but Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty and its various clones, simulation type sports games, the Batman Arkham games, and various other popular titles from this gen are all vastly overrated. A lot of them offer shallow experiences that just have nice graphics and cinematic set designs and rely heavily on scripted events. I've tried many of these third-party games and hardly any of them impress me. I just get bored because it has become so common for games to hold your hand and have no real imagination or creativity to their gameplay, lately. Personally I think most modern third-party games blow, this gen. Modern critics and gamers are just stupid and will let just about anything easy and accessible wow them.

I think talon was referring to games that don't get mainstream attention (at least not as much as the AC's and the CoD's), Max Payne's, Blazblue, the Tales of's, Mortal Kombat, Deus Ex, Persona 4 Arena, the RPG's, and most of Platinum Games' output sans Madworld. All of these great titles that, unfortunately, aren't available on the Wii.

Foggle

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Being honest here, as far as 360/PS3 exclusives go, I think Yakuza 4, A Crack In Time, Ninja Gaiden 2, Bayonetta, Vanquish, Max Anarchy (multiplayer and sim only), Siren: Blood Curse, and maybe Lost Odyssey are better than anything on the Wii save for Mario Galaxy 2, NSMBW, DKCR, and Fatal Frame 4. And y'all already know that I prefer PC gaming in general (the amount of awesome multi-platform and exclusives titles on there is mindblowing).

I like the Wii, and it certainly has a lot of great games, but most of them just don't grab me like my favorites from the other consoles and PC do.

Dr. Ensatsu-ken

Quote from: Rynnec on August 10, 2012, 02:23:16 PM
I think talon was referring to games that don't get mainstream attention (at least not as much as the AC's and the CoD's), Max Payne's, Blazblue, the Tales of's, Mortal Kombat, Deus Ex, Persona 4 Arena, the RPG's, and most of Platinum Games' output sans Madworld. All of these great titles that, unfortunately, aren't available on the Wii.

Fair enough. I didn't consider those games. But those are still in the minority and don't get enough attention, like you said. I was saying that a lot of the popular third party games from this gen are just overrated by gamers and critics alike, so in that regard I didn't feel like the Wii was missing out on too much. Maybe I'd see things differently if I owned a Wii and didn't have access to any of these games, but having played a pretty good amount of well-reviewed third party games, a huge chunk of them just don't impress me. I think the third party output was a lot better last generation, IMO. There were under-appreciated games like the ones you mentioned, but even the popular ones were still popular for being good games rather than just being flashy and stylish.

Dr. Ensatsu-ken

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QuoteBeing honest here, as far as 360/PS3 exclusives go, I think Yakuza 4, A Crack In Time, Ninja Gaiden 2, Bayonetta, Vanquish, Max Anarchy (multiplayer and sim only), Siren: Blood Curse, and maybe Lost Odyssey are better than anything on the Wii save for Mario Galaxy 2, NSMBW, DKCR, and Fatal Frame 4. And y'all already know that I prefer PC gaming in general (the amount of awesome multi-platform and exclusives titles on there is mindblowing).

I agree that those are all good exclusives, and perhaps they are better than most Wii exclusives, but my point was that the Wii has a lot of genuinely good exclusives. The ones you listed for the PS3/360 is most of what I could think of in general that even interest me in the first place.

QuoteI like the Wii, and it certainly has a lot of great games, but most of them just don't grab me like my favorites from the other consoles and PC do.

It might just be one of those "grass looks greener on the other side" sort of things for me, but I've gotten a taste of the Wii by playing the ones some of my friends have and dabbling in those games, and as someone who's grown pretty tired of most third party output for the HD consoles, I'm really longing for a good old-school platformer or puzzle game of the sort that only Nintendo can provide. I only have 2 options to pick from on the XBOX360 in that regard. There's Sonic Generations, which I already played and beat, and since its kind of short even its high replay value isn't enough to get me to play it endlessly. I still need to get Ray-Man Origins, but I don't even have any friends to play it with so I'll have a lot of the potential enjoyment from that game cut out by being forced to play it by myself, since it was clearly designed to be at its fullest with multiplayer. There's nothing other than that, though.

I really want to get a Wii so I can finally play Donkey Kong Country Returns, No More Heroes, Super Mario Galaxy, and The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, among plenty of other games that I've missed out on this gen.

Foggle

See, if you want old-school platformers, puzzle games, and somewhat experimental titles, you'll love the Wii far more than the HD consoles/PC. Personally, I'm more into fast-paced action games (of any genre), stealth, and horror, so the PC and PS3 appeal to me most. :joy:

talonmalon333

Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on August 10, 2012, 01:53:55 PM
Quote from: talonmalon333 on August 10, 2012, 01:06:26 PM
This is basically how I compare the Wii to the other consoles.

In terms of quality: PS3 and 360 > Wii

Define quality, though? Do you mean in terms of the hardware itself (like graphics capability and online support), or are you referring to the software line-up for the consoles?

Basically, the PS3 and 360 have more good games than the Wii, due to third-party support that the Wii didn't get. I probably should've thought that more through, though. Might've been better to say something like "In terms of quantity of good games".

Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on August 10, 2012, 01:53:55 PM
QuoteBasically, the PS3 and 360 have more good games than the Wii. However, because the Wii has so many games that can only be played on it, the Wii ends up having more value. To me, there's very little reason to have all 3 consoles. Just makes the most sense either owning a Wii and a PS3, or a Wii and a 360.

Honestly, even counting third-party games, I still think the Wii has more good games in general. Most of its good games are exclusives as it doesn't have good third-party support this gen, BUT you have to take into account that modern gamers and critics are just too easy and get impressed by the honestly lackluster output of third-party games this gen. Sorry, but Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty and its various clones, simulation type sports games, the Batman Arkham games, and various other popular titles from this gen are all vastly overrated. A lot of them offer shallow experiences that just have nice graphics and cinematic set designs and rely heavily on scripted events. I've tried many of these third-party games and hardly any of them impress me. I just get bored because it has become so common for games to hold your hand and have no real imagination or creativity to their gameplay, lately. Personally I think most modern third-party games blow, this gen. Modern critics and gamers are just stupid and will let just about anything easy and accessible wow them.

Fair enough. And I definitely agree that there were a lot of overrated games this gen. But I actually thought you were a big fan of the Arkham games.

Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on August 10, 2012, 01:53:55 PM
QuoteOr, truthfully, a Wii and a PC, if you have one that's good for gaming.

That'd probably be the most ideal combo of systems to have, for this gen. The PC has been getting A LOT of third party support in the past few years, so it already beat the XBOX360 at its own game, and the Wii is the only system where you are guaranteed to get numerous quality exclusives. Why so many critics and modern gamers try to put it down is beyond me.

That's definitely the opinion I have. Kind of a shame that I bought a PS3 before getting a good gaming PC. If I got the PC first, I probably would've just passed on the PS3 and avoided spending over a trillion bucks $300-$500.

Quote from: Rynnec on August 10, 2012, 02:23:16 PM
I think talon was referring to games that don't get mainstream attention (at least not as much as the AC's and the CoD's), Max Payne's, Blazblue, the Tales of's, Mortal Kombat, Deus Ex, Persona 4 Arena, the RPG's, and most of Platinum Games' output sans Madworld. All of these great titles that, unfortunately, aren't available on the Wii.

Yeah, I had games like those in mind. There were indeed a lot of overrated third-party games, but there were also other ones that I really enjoyed (or am really interested in playing). Making the Wii cheaper was a good move as a whole, but it did cause owners to miss out a bit on some games. :-\

Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on August 10, 2012, 02:49:51 PM

It might just be one of those "grass looks greener on the other side" sort of things for me, but I've gotten a taste of the Wii by playing the ones some of my friends have and dabbling in those games, and as someone who's grown pretty tired of most third party output for the HD consoles, I'm really longing for a good old-school platformer or puzzle game of the sort that only Nintendo can provide. I only have 2 options to pick from on the XBOX360 in that regard. There's Sonic Generations, which I already played and beat, and since its kind of short even its high replay value isn't enough to get me to play it endlessly. I still need to get Ray-Man Origins, but I don't even have any friends to play it with so I'll have a lot of the potential enjoyment from that game cut out by being forced to play it by myself, since it was clearly designed to be at its fullest with multiplayer. There's nothing other than that, though.

I really want to get a Wii so I can finally play Donkey Kong Country Returns, No More Heroes, Super Mario Galaxy, and The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, among plenty of other games that I've missed out on this gen.

It might be a little (in response to the part I bolded). But just from reading that post, I definitely think you would have a blast with the Wii. I can't say enough about how the Mario Galaxy games are masterpieces.

Dr. Ensatsu-ken

Quote from: Foggle on August 10, 2012, 03:36:17 PM
See, if you want old-school platformers, puzzle games, and somewhat experimental titles, you'll love the Wii far more than the HD consoles/PC. Personally, I'm more into fast-paced action games (of any genre), stealth, and horror, so the PC and PS3 appeal to me most. :joy:

I like fast-paced games, but playing NG games on Master Ninja mode for years has spoiled me. Other so called fast-paced action games feel like they are permanently set in slow-mo to me. :P

Spark Of Spirit

QuoteI think the most important thing to remind everyone in the industry right now is 'it's about gameplay, stupid'. That's really the most important thing in the world right now. Anywhere we're serving up any kind of jaded, calculated, exploitative content, we're losing, and people are getting kicked in the teeth for it, from Zynga to everywhere else."
From Seamus Blackley AKA the co-creator of the Xbox.

Too bad that mentality is falling to the wayside.
"The world will never starve for want of wonders, but for want of wonder." - G.K. Chesterton

Foggle

Apparently, the new Call of Duty's single-player campaign is actually quite good - if what I've been reading in comments on RPS is to be believed. It's supposedly the longest and least "cinematic" in the series, featuring very little hand-holding and many non-linear moments/open environments with branching paths. Shocking, to say the least.

Dr. Ensatsu-ken

I've heard that too. This CoD game has various branching paths and different endings that require at least a few replays in order to play/see them all. It also affects the rest of the story as well and the levels themselves apparently feel much less scripted than in previous games from what I have heard. If that turns out to be true, then this year we have a Call of Duty game that is actually expanding its gameplay to make more diverse level design while we have a Halo game that actually narrows its level design from previous games and has a lot more scripted events that limit gameplay options and strategy.

Damn, imagine if the style of these 2 series become completely reversed in the upcoming years. That'd sure be a surprise.

Foggle

I played some Halo 4 campaign recently. Outside of a very short interactive cutscene near the beginning of the prologue, it's exactly the same kind of level design as Halo 1-3. And it was way better than 2 and 3.

Dr. Ensatsu-ken

That sounds reassuring, but I have heard from some fans that the game feels like it punishes you more for straying off of its clearly intended paths. That is to say, it does actually present you with big, open environments to play through with lots of room for tactical strategy, but that unlike previous games its actually more dangerous to try and be crafty with the environment and find better positions to shoot from than the most obvious ones, whereas in previous Halo games it was rewarding and smarter to play that way on the harder difficulty settings. That could just be the opinion of a few fans, though, but its just something that I heard. Like I said I still intend to play the game because as someone who's been playing the Halo games since the first one (which I kind of, sort of grew up with), its kind of hard to ignore a new Halo game if its on a console that I actually own. ;)

That said, I don't really intend to get the new XBOX whenever that comes out, so this will most likely be my last Halo game, unless I happen to have a friend who gets the next XBOX and consequently Halo 5 whenever that comes out. In regards to Halo 4, though, I'm definitely not happy about the required 8GB install for multiplayer. I'm going to have to delete a few of my games to make room for that since I only have a 12GB HDD.

Also, for what its worth, I should mention that Black Ops II surprisingly sounds more up my ally than this year's Halo game. That isn't to say that I would necessarily like Black Ops II much better than previous CoD games. I wasn't a fan of those game mechanically, to be honest, so that may hinder this game's quality for me, but I still have to give it due respect for trying something clearly new for a change, relative to the previous games in the series. As for Halo 4, I can understand perfectly fine why 343 felt the need to please the series' long-time and ridiculously huge fan-base, but in trying so hard to make this game feel as close as possible to Bungie's Halo games, I feel like they missed a great opportunity to take this series in interesting new directions while still retaining the core of what I liked about the better games in this franchise.

gunswordfist

Makes me want to get the first Halo again.
"Ryu is like the Hank Hill of Street Fighter." -BB_Hoody


Spark Of Spirit

One of my friends might get a hold of the new COD when I get my Wii-U, so I might actually get to try this one out around launch if my friend can rent it for me. But even my dad who is a big fan of this types of games, has been falling away from the series recently. Maybe this might re-spark his interest.
"The world will never starve for want of wonders, but for want of wonder." - G.K. Chesterton