Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

[GregX]

So, this show is finally on Netflix. As much as I want to avoid going back to it like the plague, part of me feels compelled to force my way through it just to say that I did. It's not too dissimilar to how I forced myself to finish reading Naruto just a couple of weeks back to see it through to the bitter end, even though that was literally some of the worst shit that I've ever had to read.

I'll just pick up from where I left off, which was episode 10, push forward, and then never look back.

I'd rather teabag a table saw.

[Dr. Ensatsu-ken]

I'm up to episode 21, and I have to ask....why did people tell me that Ward's character gets more interesting after he turns heel and is revealed as an agent of Hydra? He's literally the same, stoic, boring-ass, monotone character that he always was, except slightly angrier and just "technically" a bad guy now. I say technically because there is nothing to his actual character or personality to insinuate that he's bad. It's imply just through the fact that the writers decided to make him a bad guy, so he kills some S.H.I.E.L.D. agents and tries to kidnap Skye. I mean, I know that a character's actions are supposed to say a lot about them, but it doesn't work if there is no internal development to go along with it. If he was doing most of the same stuff that he's doing now to Hydra, and you kept his current personality in-tact, then he's a good guy again. How do I know this? Because that's exactly what he was doing through the entire first half of the season.

So, the short version is that he's basically the same character, just with the "evil" label now slapped on him. It's disappointing too, because knowing about this twist beforehand, I thought that the writers would at least put in some subtle hints at his character turn throughout the series, but instead they just haphazardly (and far too obviously) cram all of those hints into just a single episode before he turns, which I find to be incredibly lazy on their part, unless I'm just missing something, which I don't think that I am.

Anyways, I'm almost done with the season, but as far as I'm concerned, the show didn't really get better. Rather, it went from being a boring show to a boring and fairly stupid/convoluted show. I don't really care to get into specifics, but am I the only person who feels that certain main characters consistently make downright stupid decisions that aren't befitting of an operative of a high-level organization like this? It's just that, I've noticed more than a few times where things will go the way the characters need it to via the convenience of plot devices rather than them actually earning it through being clever, granted that it doesn't happen all of the time, but it's enough to be noticeable, IMO. In other cases, when characters find themselves in a trap or on the bad end of an already desperate situation, it usually seems to be because they just made really bad decisions that anyone with half a brain should have known would be dumb.

Take Ward for example. After he kidnaps Skye, he gives her a computer and basically lets her rat him out and doesn't figure her out until literally a dozen or so cops show up. You'd think a specialist like him would be certain of when he was being so obviously scouted out, but no, he takes Skye's word that it's just in his head until it's too late.

Then take May. After her private unauthorized communication line is found out by Fitz, her response is to take a stun gun and go after him....because that won't look the least bit suspicious. I mean, couldn't she just subdue him with basic marial arts considering that he can't fight for shit? Or, a better idea would be to not stupidly overreact and explain the situation to him since the more important thing would be to keep Coulson from finding out about it, not Fitz. And after going through all of that, she ends up telling him anyways, rendering all of that nonsense entirely pointless.

And then there was the guy who literally caught Ward blatantly lying to him through a fucking top of the line lie detector, and despite everything he said highlighting the fact that he was in fact lying his ass off, and giving vague as fuck answers to any essential questions, the guy ends up believing him just because he admits that he's got a thing for Skye and that one single thing turns out to be true. And would it really have killed him to alter or reword some of his questions upon his raised suspicion? Like, when Ward gives him a vague answer that they are all associated with Hydra, and he's not satisfied with it, but then just drops it and moves on. Could he not think to ask as a follow-up question to an answer that quite literally gave him a red alert, like: "Are you a member of Hydra?" But no, instead he asks the vague question of: "Why are you here?" And then he dies just a few scenes later. And this is a guy that Nick Fury apparently put a lot of trust in. Good riddance.

I could list plenty of other examples, but you get the idea. Basically, the characters are just idiots.

[GregX]

I'm up to episode 21, and I have to ask....why did people tell me that Ward's character gets more interesting after he turns heel and is revealed as an agent of Hydra? He's literally the same, stoic, boring-ass, monotone character that he always was, except slightly angrier and just "technically" a bad guy now. I say technically because there is nothing to his actual character or personality to insinuate that he's bad. It's imply just through the fact that the writers decided to make him a bad guy, so he kills some S.H.I.E.L.D. agents and tries to kidnap Skye. I mean, I know that a character's actions are supposed to say a lot about them, but it doesn't work if there is no internal development to go along with it. If he was doing most of the same stuff that he's doing now to Hydra, and you kept his current personality in-tact, then he's a good guy again. How do I know this? Because that's exactly what he was doing through the entire first half of the season.

So, the short version is that he's basically the same character, just with the "evil" label now slapped on him. It's disappointing to, because knowing about this twist beforehand, I thought that the writers would at least put in some subtle hints at his character turn throughout the series, but instead they just haphazardly (and far too obviously) cram all of those hints into just a single episode before he turns, which I find to be incredibly lazy on their part, unless I'm just missing something, which I don't think that I am.

Anyways, I'm almost done with the season, but as far as I'm concerned, the show didn't really get better. Rather, it went from being a boring show to a boring and fairly stupid /convoluted  show. I don't really care to get into specifics, but am I the only person who feels that certain main characters consistently make downright stupid decisions that aren't befitting of an operative of a high-level organization like this? It's just that, I've noticed more than a few times where things will go the way the characters need it to via the convenience of plot devices rather than them actually earning it through being clever, granted that it doesn't happen all of the time, but it's enough to be noticeable, IMO. In other cases, when characters find themselves in a trap or on the bad end of an already desperate situation, it usually seems to be because they just made really bad decisions that anyone with half a brain should have known would be dumb.

Take Ward for example. After he kidnaps Skye, he gives her a computer and basically lets her rat him out and doesn't figure her out until literally a dozen or so cops show up. You'd think a specialist like him would be certain of when he was being so obviously scouted out, but no, he takes Skye's word that it's just in his head until it's too late.

Then take May. After her private unauthorized communication line is found out by Fitz, her response is to take a stun gun and go after him....because that won't look the least bit suspicious. I mean, couldn't she just subdue him with basic marial arts considering that he can't fight for shit? Or, a better idea would be to not stupidly overreact and explain the situation to him since the more important thing would be to keep Coulson from finding out about it, not Fitz. And after going through all of that, she ends up telling him anyways, rendering all of that nonsense entirely pointless.

And then there was the guy who literally caught Ward blatantly lying to him through a fucking top of the line lie detector, and despite everything he said highlighting the fact that he was in fact lying his ass off, and giving vague as fuck answers to any essential questions, the guy ends up believing him just because he admits that he's got a thing for Skye and that one single thing turns out to be true. And would it really have killed him to alter or reword some of his questions upon his raised suspicion? Like, when Ward gives him a vague answer that they are all associated with Hydra, and he's not satisfied with it, but then just drops it and moves on. Could he not think to ask as a follow-up question to an answer that quite literally gave him a red alert, like: "Are you a member of Hydra?" But no, instead he asks the vague question of: "Why are you here?" And then he dies just a few scenes later. And this is a guy that Nick Fury apparently put a lot of trust in. Good riddance.

I could list plenty of other examples, but you get the idea. Basically, the characters are just idiots.

I love you.

[Avaitor]

I'll just talk about it here for now, but I watched the Agent Carter premiere, and it was pretty decent. I'm not in love yet, but so far it's better than Agents of SHIELD, at least thanks to mainly focusing on Carter and Howard Stark, while still being able to maintain their charm, which AOS couldn't do with Coulson.

My favorite part so far, though, has got to be the Captain America radio broadcasts. They're such fun, uncomfortable callbacks.

[Peanutbutter]

I was okay with the show until the Hydra stuff kicked in, it just went ball-to-the-wall stupid and over the top at that point. One good reason this show is a trainwreck is because of Loeb's backward thinking.





I'll check out Agent Carter later.

[Avaitor]

Agent Carter really is a good show, almost an apology for AOS' mediocrity. Then again, I hear that Jeph Loeb had limited involvement with it, while Kevin Feige and the Russos are more involved.

I recommend it to fans of the Captain America movies, for sure.

[Dr. Ensatsu-ken]

I want to watch it, but I have no cable here and I need to get the login for our cable provider back home in order to watch ABC videos online.

[Spark Of Spirit]

I heard good things, but I had to hear it from someone who actually disliked AOS first. Now, I'm actively interested.

[Avaitor]

Greg likes it.

No joke.

[Spark Of Spirit]

I'm currently watching an episode of Agent Carter.

Far and away better than Agents of Shield.

[GregX]

Greg likes it.

No joke.

Yes I do. I am loving "Agent Carter"... and remember that I think that "Special Snowflake and the S.H.I.T. Squad" is the worst television show I have ever seen.

[Peanutbutter]

I gave up on this show myself when they linked up with The Winter Soldier. The acting as a whole just dropped off a cliff, and the show's editing/camera work was really bothering me at that point.


Thankfully, what I've seen of Agent Carter is much better. It needs its own thread.

[Dr. Ensatsu-ken]

Thankfully, what I've seen of Agent Carter is much better. It needs its own thread.

*Ahem....http://animationrevelation.com/forum/index.php?topic=1335.0

I uploaded that a few days ago.

[GregX]