Favorite Games Ever (Besides Ninja Gaiden, Obviously)

[Spark Of Spirit]

Smash Bros. Melee

Meh.

Twilight Princess

Is every Zelda game considered a classic or something? Because this one I don't consider a classic.

Resident Evil

Not arguing, but it's not my thing.

Resident Evil 4

Not an exclusive and I prefer the Wii's controls, but sure.

Eternal Darkness

This game is not really that good, IMO. But then, Soul Reaver is about the only game from this dev that I liked.

I think it has held up better than the Nintendo 64. I feel like the N64 is a hit or miss console. It's classics are top tier classics, but it also has games that haven't aged well. And honestly, beyond first party games and Rare... does it have much at all?

Does the Gamecube?

If you want me to list good N64 games, I can.

Bomberman Hero
Bomberman 64
Bomberman 64: The Second Attack!
Beetle Adventure Racing
Resident Evil 2
Goemon's Great Adventure
Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon
Diddy Kong Racing
Mischief Makers
Mario Golf
Mario Party 2
Mario Party 3
Mario Tennis
Ogre Battle 64
Super Smash Bros.
Mega Man 64
Spider-Man
Battletanx
Battletanx: Global Assault
DOOM 64
Rocket: Robot on Wheels
WCW/NWO: Revenge
WWF: No Mercy
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
1080 Snowboarding
Wave Race 64
Paper Mario
F-Zero X
Star Fox 64
Super Mario 64

These are all games I have come into contact with in the last decade that don't suffer from fog problems or bad framerate to make them unplayable. Yes, I put first party games in there, but I also didn't list the ones I didn't care for.

Now should I add in the Rare games?

[talonmalon333]

Is every Zelda game considered a classic or something? Because this one I don't consider a classic.

Of course not. But almost everyone and their dog considers Twilight Princess one of the greats. You're one of the few who doesn't.

I don't feel like going through those games individually. There are a handful that I haven't played, but based on the ones I've played, I feel some don't hold up too well (like WWF and the original Mario Party), and some I was never particularly a fan of (like Bomberman 64 and Diddy Kong Racing which I found kind of overrated). I also don't think RE2 was a good port, and that GameCube Mario Tennis is better than the N64 version, along with Melee being far better than the original Smash Bros.

[Spark Of Spirit]

Is every Zelda game considered a classic or something? Because this one I don't consider a classic.

Of course not. But almost everyone and their dog considers Twilight Princess a great. You're one of the few who doesn't consider it one.

I don't feel like going through those games individually. There are a handful that I haven't played, but based on the ones I've played, I feel some don't hold up too well (like WWF and the original Mario Party), and some I was never particularly a fan of (like Bomberman 64 and Diddy Kong Racing which I found kind of overrated). I also don't think RE2 was a good port, and that GameCube Mario Tennis is better than the N64 version, along with Melee being far better than the original Smash Bros.

I didn't list the original Mario Party. But No Mercy absolutely holds up. About three years ago I got together with a couple of friends and we played a few matches. It's still the best wrestling game ever made with tight controls, tons of options, and over the top moves.

But, taste aside, my point was that there are plenty of good N64 games worth playing. They aren't all unplayable or even that badly dated. I didn't even list games Rare made.

The Gamecube just doesn't compare for me.

[gunswordfist]

what's mega man 64 again? and just like dreamcast, i doubt a lot of n64 games have aged well due to having just one joystick.

[talonmalon333]

You had Mario Golf directly before Mario Party 2 and 3 so I accidentally read it as Mario Party 1 initially, even though I also read it as Mario Golf so that was kind of a weird mistake.

I'm not a big fan of wrestling video games, but I think in general I prefer 2D ones.

And I do like a good handful of N64 games. No Nintendo console is bad. I just think the GameCube was stronger in the third-party department. Overall though, my favorites are pretty easily NES and SNES.

[gunswordfist]

What are some good 2d wrestling games?

[Spark Of Spirit]

To be fair, let me list the Gamecube games I would list in a similar list to my N64. Assuming I own a PS2 (or Xbox) like about every other gamer did at the time, I'll try to stick to exclusives and games I actually enjoy.

Metroid Prime
Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
Mega Man Network Transmission
Sonic Adventure 2: Battle
Soul Calibur II (Best version)
Super Smash Bros. Melee
Viewtiful Joe (Best version)
Luigi's Mansion
Resident Evil Remake
Resident Evil 0
Resident Evil 4
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Mario Kart: Double Dash!!
F-Zero GX
Kirby's Air Ride
Super Monkey Ball
Super Monkey Ball 2
The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventure
Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles
Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
Star Wars: Rogue Squadron
Super Mario Strikers
Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance
Pikmin 2

Now, if I took out first party, what would I really be left with? I'm only listing Melee as a courtesy-- I don't really like it much otherwise.

This isn't to say I dislike the Gamecube, but that list is not terribly long or interesting to me as a whole. Of all the Nintendo systems, that's the weakest to me.

what's mega man 64 again? and just like dreamcast, i doubt a lot of n64 games have aged well due to having just one joystick.

It was a Mega Man Legends 1 port. Pretty solid one from what I remember.

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Eternal Darkness

This game is not really that good, IMO. But then, Soul Reaver is about the only game from this dev that I liked.

Silicon Knights only made the original Blood Omen, btw. The other Legacy of Kain games (excluding Nosgoth) were from Crystal Dynamics.

[Spark Of Spirit]

Eternal Darkness

This game is not really that good, IMO. But then, Soul Reaver is about the only game from this dev that I liked.

Silicon Knights only made the original Blood Omen, btw. The other Legacy of Kain games (excluding Nosgoth) were from Crystal Dynamics.

I thought they made Soul Reaver?

And no, not a fan of Eternal Darkness, sorry. 

[talonmalon333]

Spark, how come you like the original Smash Bros. over Melee?

What are some good 2d wrestling games?

I liked In Your House for PS1, and a few for SNES though probably out of nostalgia. Like I said, wrestling games aren't my thing, despite being a fan of wrestling myself.

[Spark Of Spirit]

Spark, how come you like the original Smash Bros. over Melee?

I'll try to explain my main points.

-The speed. Melee is too fast, and certain characters have a huge advantage over others because of it. I prefer the slower speed of 64 which is centered on big hits instead. Everything feels slippery instead of the power when getting off hits like in Smash 64.
-The level selection. They chose the most boring 64 stages to bring back, and of the new ones I didn't like that many. Big Blue, Fourside, Mushroom Kingdom, Mushroom Kingdom II, Onett, Pokemon Stadium, Rainbow Cruise, Yoshi's Island, and Temple are the only stages I really enjoyed. The original game's stages are far more balanced.
-The roster. The new characters did nothing for me. Now, I'm not debating they shouldn't have included the likes of Princess Peach, Zelda, Bowser, or Ganondorf, but it's the only Smash Bros. game where I have to say I didn't like playing as any of the newcomers. Other than Ice Climbers, none of them blew me away with creativity, either.
-Adventure mode. Dullsville. Classic mode is the only single player Smash mode I've ever really cared for.
-The balancing. I'm a Kirby and Ness main. Guess which characters got pointlessly nerfed to oblivion? Not Fox, of course. No, my characters. For what reason? Dunno, but it's no fun having to nearly break my controller to beat my friend playing as Marth because Sakurai thought it prudent to utterly neuter my favorite characters. Another friend was a Pikachu main in 64, and he was annoyed, too. This is why I have no sympathy for Sheik, Marth, or Fox fans whining about Smash 4.
-The fans. They don't affect my enjoyment of the game, but they certainly don't help it.

Now, the game isn't abysmal. It's a fairly well made game. I just don't enjoy it. It's probably always going to be my least favorite entry. No matter how many people rush out to tell me I'm wrong over and over, I just can't help the fact that I don't like anything it does that the other games don't do better.

[talonmalon333]

-The speed. Melee is too fast, and certain characters have a huge advantage over others because of it. I prefer the slower speed of 64 which is centered on big hits instead.

That's actually something I really liked. It especially felt like they slowed things down too much with Brawl. I did like the big hit aspect of the original, though. In that game more than the sequels, when you got hit hard, you really felt it.

-The level selection. They chose the most boring 64 stages to bring back, and of the new ones I didn't like that many.

I actually agree there. Would've liked to have seen Hyrule Castle brought back in particular. That's the level I played the most when I was young.

-The balancing. I'm a Kirby and Ness main. Guess which characters got pointlessly nerfed to oblivion? Not Fox, of course. No, my characters. For what reason? Dunno, but it's no fun having to nearly break my controller to beat my friend playing as Marth because Sakurai thought it prudent to utterly neuter my favorite characters. My friend was a Pikachu main in 64, and he was annoyed, too. This is why I have no sympathy for Sheik, Marth, or Fox fans whining about Smash 4.

I agree on Kirby and Pikachu. They are two of my biggest characters, especially Pikachu, in every game except for Melee. Kirby in particular was made utterly useless. But I don't think Melee was that much less balanced than the original, and it was certainly more balanced than Brawl. Fox was overpowered in the original, too, and Donkey Kong sometimes seemed too heavy.

Overall, though, I play Smash Bros. pretty much always on 4-player, and in those types of games I don't think balance is as much of an issue since it's more about chaos than fighting. Super Smash Bros. in particular has never been a great "fighting" game anyway, so I don't take as much issue to unbalance in it as I would, say, Street Fighter.

[Spark Of Spirit]

-The speed. Melee is too fast, and certain characters have a huge advantage over others because of it. I prefer the slower speed of 64 which is centered on big hits instead.

That's actually something I really liked. It especially felt like they slowed things down too much with Brawl. I did like the big hit aspect of the original, though. In that game more than the sequels, when you got hit hard, you really felt it.

Some people really like the speed, and I can't argue with preference if they do. But not me. 

I can agree that Brawl was too slow, and also had balance problems, but it's picked up for me by having more stages I like to play on, new characters I really like using, and my characters not being terrible out of the box. I do think Smash 4 pretty much eclipses it gameplay-wise, though.

Smash games aren't known for their balance, I agree. But in the original game, the tier list is pretty close together. Being a smaller cast of characters, it was easier for Sakurai to balance. Only Samus in the original isn't very good (and even then, doesn't compare to how bad the worst characters in Melee and Brawl are), but everyone else is viable. With patches Smash 4 looks like it'll be fairly balanced for a long, long time so I don't worry about that one.

[gunswordfist]

talon had me thinking: what are your favorite video game trilogies?

[talonmalon333]

Silent Hill, maybe. All three of those games are top of their class.