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Release Date: May 4, 2012
Studio: Paramount
Director: Joss Whedon
Aspect Ratio: 1.78 : 1
Starring: Robert Downey Jr., Chris Hemsworth, Chris Evans, Mark Ruffalo, Scarlett Johansson, Jeremy Renner, Samuel L. Jackson, Tom Hiddleston

Plot Summary: Nick Fury is director of S.H.I.E.L.D, an international peace keeping agency. The agency is a who's who of Marvel Super Heroes, with Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, Thor, Captain America, Hawkeye and Black Widow. When global security is threatened by Loki and his cohorts, Nick Fury and his team will need all their powers to save the world from disaster.

COMMENTS?

It comes tonight. ARE YA READY KIDS?

I'm heading out in a couple of hours myself. What are your plans?

I'm gonna see it tomorrow.

I am hyped.

I'm planning to see it tomorrow after I arrive home from college. I can't wait. Hopefully it'll have been worth 4 years worth of build-up. If the reviews which it has received so far are any indication, it probably will.

Probably next week or so. I haven't really decided yet, but I'll be out of town again this weekend, so it won't be for a little while at least. We'll see.

Be sure to let me know if Whedon blows it, Mr. Dad.

After CGI Hulk, it's my #1 worry.  :-[

Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 03, 2012, 06:40:20 PM
Be sure to let me know if Whedon blows it, Mr. Dad.

After CGI Hulk, it's my #1 worry.  :-[

The reviews say no, Gonzo wannabe.

Not only that, but apparently Hulk steals the show, too.

I hope he jnows when to dial it down. I really didn't like CGI Hulk in either of the other two movies.

Honestly have no interest in this at all. Will probably watch it if some of my friends want to go, though.

But, but, how?

Because I only like Iron Man and Nick Fury and the only reason I even do is because of their actors.

Huh, I would have pegged you to be a fan of Loki's character myself. I always thought that Deadpool took some inspiration from him.

Did you see Captain America or Thor? They really are very good movies. I wouldn't be nearly as hyped if I didn't see them. (RDJ's Iron Man is the only version of the character I like)

Quote from: Brak's Dad on May 03, 2012, 07:50:10 PM
Huh, I would have pegged you to be a fan of Loki's character myself. I always thought that Deadpool took some inspiration from him.

I honestly have no idea who you're talking about. Like I've said before, I'm a complete Marvel noob. Aside from DP and Spider-Man, I don't know anything about their characters outside of the movies.

Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 03, 2012, 07:50:35 PM
Did you see Captain America or Thor? They really are very good movies. I wouldn't be nearly as hyped if I didn't see them. (RDJ's Iron Man is the only version of the character I like)

Nah. The Thor trailers made it look like the kind of movie I'd completely detest, and by the time I realized the Captain America movie was a thing, it had left theaters. :frown:

Though admittedly, there are a lot strikes against the movie. Like how Jack Kirby's family won't make any money out of it, how it's basically a 2-hour commercial to sell toys and fuel sequels, how Edward Norton didn't come back, and plenty more.

I'll just say that Thor was surprisingly good. I didn't think it would work at all, but when I saw it made perfect sense.

The only one they can't seem to nail is the Hulk. This is already the third version of the character. He's had more reboots than the Punisher in film form.

If you've seen those Shakespeare films that Branagh made years ago, you can expect Thor to be like that but with superheroes.

Quote from: Foggle on May 03, 2012, 07:52:59 PM

Quote from: Brak's Dad on May 03, 2012, 07:50:10 PM
Huh, I would have pegged you to be a fan of Loki's character myself. I always thought that Deadpool took some inspiration from him.

I honestly have no idea who you're talking about. Like I've said before, I'm a complete Marvel noob. Aside from DP and Spider-Man, I don't know anything about their characters outside of the movies.

...

You need to change that, then. Check out the Surtur Saga.

Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on May 03, 2012, 07:54:08 PM
Jack Kirby's family won't make any money out of it

Aww, what? That's terrible. :srs:

Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 03, 2012, 07:55:48 PM
I'll just say that Thor was surprisingly good. I didn't think it would work at all, but when I saw it made perfect sense.

Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on May 03, 2012, 07:57:16 PM
If you've seen those Shakespeare films that Branagh made years ago, you can expect Thor to be like that but with superheroes.

So it's safe to say that the trailers were just bad? I'll give it a look if so.

Quote from: Brak's Dad on May 03, 2012, 08:00:12 PM
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You need to change that, then. Check out the Surtur Saga.

Is it funny? I have a hard time focusing on comics unless they make me laugh. :imnothappy:

Not really, but it does contain one of the best lines in all of comics.

"For Asgard!"
"For Midgard!"
"For myself!"

The trailers were boring, but the movie itself was quite good.

You should get on Captain America too. Of the "big three" of the Avengers, I think his movie was probably the best one.

I'm probably the only person who kind of liked The Incredible Hulk. It wasn't a very good movie, true, but it was entertaining for what it was, IMO. At any rate, I'd easily watch it over Iron Man 2 any day. Sorry, but the more I have watched Iron Man 2, the more I have grown to dislike it. I didn't want to admit it when I first saw it, but the movie really does suck. It completely misses the point of what made the first Iron Man so great. Hopefully Iron Man 3 is a return to form for the series.

As for Thor, I thought it was good. The trailers turned me off as well, but the actual movie was decent. I don't find it to be great by any stretch, but I would genuinely be interested in watching the sequel whenever that comes out.

I really liked Captain America. I've found that comic book nerds seem to dislike the movie for rushing too much through the Captain's back-story just so that it could lead up to the events of the The Avengers movie, which even I could tell was true, but even so I just really enjoyed the movie and the character, and I look forward to seeing him again in the Avengers, and in his own sequel film whenever we end up getting that.

I loved this movie. The action scenes were handled pretty well, every Avenger got a chance to shine, and I still love Captain America, Thor, Iron Man and Hulk. Really liking Hulk's new actor. Yep, Hulk did steal the show near the end of the movie during the final battle between Loki's army and  the Avengers.

I'll write more about it when I wake up, but let me just say that it did not disappoint.

If you want more incentive to see it, let me just say this- this is on the level of The Dark Knight. Joss nailed it.

I'm glad to hear it! I'll be seeing this in a few hours.

Why this was great:

-The characters were handled perfectly, both in terms of their previous movie appearances and from the comics. Iron Man is as hilarious as ever, Thor and Fury are thankfully epic, Cap and Bruce Banner are rightfully angsty without being too wishy-washy. I was also really impressed with Black Widow, considering how ambivalent she left me in Iron Man 2. Hawkeye and Maria Hill were also handled quite well, if a little underdeveloped. I also loved seeing Agent Coulson get humanized a little. Not to mention that the interactions were great.
-The fights. Oh man, the fights. The finale is rightfully epic, but besides that, there's a really great takedown between Cap, Iron Man and Thor.
-Excellent comic relief. I loved the humor in the Iron Mans and Thor (when Kat Dennings wasn't involved, at least), but this was even funnier than any of them. I do have to give Whedon credit for not relying too much on making fish out of water jokes with Thor and Captain America, but the few we got were good.
-Hulk smashed, all right. Did he smash.

Seriously, this was incredible. Easily one of the best popcorn flicks ever made.

I agree, it was a lot of fun. Joss Whedon balanced everything out really well giving everyone a good amount of moments to shine. Which with such a large cast is pretty incredible. Not to mention the Hulk being pure CG wasn't as distracting as it was in the Hulk movies since he was barely on center screen. All in all, probably one of the best superhero movies period.Good going, Mr. Whedon.

The best line was "He's adopted."

Mine was "His first name is Agent".

I also swear that Banner Hulked out earlier in this movie than he did in the 2003 film.

Metal space whales. That is all.

Just got back from seeing the movie....

....Yeah, I think any superhero movie coming out this year is in trouble. Nothing's going to top this for a while. Most epic film I've seen in years.

I'd say more, but you guys pretty much nailed all of the points as to why this film is all kinds of awesome.

If I had to pick a favorite hero based on this film alone, I must say that Captain America was definitely the character that I enjoyed seeing the most, but really I think every hero got their rightful respect in this movie.

And yes, this is easily the best movie iteration of the Hulk to date. I'm one of the few who actually liked The Incredible Hulk, for the record, but this film was easily a better Hulk film than even that....and its not even a Hulk film. :D

This is one of those rare movies that I really wanted to see again right after I got done with it, and I would have, too! The only problem was that I went to the last screening of the night, so I had no choice but to walk out of the theater. :(

I liked The Incredible Hulk. Not as much as Iron Man 1, Thor, or Captain America, but I really liked Edward Norton as Bruce. I should probably rewatch it though, since I haven't seen it since it was in theaters.

Aside from Iron Man, I haven't any of the Marvel movies since they were in theaters. Maybe I should fix that.

And I should also read some of the comics (not the recent ones, because Bendis and all that).

RANKINGS

1. Thor
2. The Avengers
3. Iron Man
4. Captain America: The First Avenger
....
5. Incredible Hulk
........
6. Iron Man 2

DISCUSS

Yeah, this movie has kind of gotten me interested in "trying" to pursue some of the comics again. I'd be up for reading any good and reasonably affordable compilation volumes any of the main Marvel superheroes (preferably ones that tell the best stories, of course), if anyone has any good recommendations. Yeah, I know I usually don't end up getting the comics, but I swear I'll get into them eventually. I just need to get a job this summer so I have money to spend on stuff like comics. Now that my Pharm Tech license has finally come in, I should get cracking on that. :sly:

Oh yeah, if anyone can let me know about who that character was in the middle of the end credits (possibly through PM to avoid spoilers for others), that'd be great. I'm really curious, and now I just HAVE to know.

Quote from: Lord Dalek on May 05, 2012, 12:19:30 AM
RANKINGS

1. Thor
2. The Avengers
3. Iron Man
4. Captain America: The First Avenger
....
5. Incredible Hulk
........
6. Iron Man 2

DISCUSS

Flip the top 2, and that's my own ranking.

Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on May 05, 2012, 12:19:33 AM
Yeah, this movie has kind of gotten me interested in "trying" to pursue some of the comics again. I'd be up for reading any good and reasonably affordable compilation volumes any of the main Marvel superheroes (preferably ones that tell the best stories, of course), if anyone has any good recommendations. Yeah, I know I usually don't end up getting the comics, but I swear I'll get into them eventually. I just need to get a job this summer so I have money to spend on stuff like comics. Now that my Pharm Tech license has finally come in, I should get cracking on that. :sly:

Oh yeah, if anyone can let me know about who that character was in the middle of the end credits (possibly through PM to avoid spoilers for others), that'd be great. I'm really curious, and now I just HAVE to know.

For both questions, find a book called The Infinity Gauntlet.

Quote from: Lord Dalek on May 05, 2012, 12:19:30 AM
RANKINGS

1. Thor
2. The Avengers
3. Iron Man
4. Captain America: The First Avenger
....
5. Incredible Hulk
........
6. Iron Man 2

DISCUSS

I can understand those rankings, myself. As for me, it'd probably go:

Great:
1. Iron Man (only because I've seen it the most)
2. The Avengers (this may become my favorite if I see it again, and a few more times after that)
3. Captain America: The First Avenger (I still need to watch this a second time, but I liked it a lot)

Good:
4. Thor (I really do like this film, and it was much better than I was expecting, but I just wouldn't call it great, myself)
5. the Incredible Hulk (Not as good as the other films, but its entertaining, and it held my interest, so I still enjoy it)

Meh:
6. Iron Man 2 (The only one of these movies I just don't really like; hopefully Iron Man 3 capitalizes on what the first film did right)

Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on May 05, 2012, 12:22:18 AM
For both questions, find a book called The Infinity Gauntlet.

This one?

(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2Fa%2Faf%2FInfinity_Gauntlet_1.jpg&hash=8318f192f78df66e7afc219f781bc5e9ed44d94b)

Of the ones I've seen:

1. Iron Man
2. Incredible Hulk
3. Iron Man 2
4. A distended rectum
5. Hulk

Iron Man
The Avengers
Captain America
Thor
Incredible Hulk
Iron Man 2

Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on May 05, 2012, 12:29:37 AM

Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on May 05, 2012, 12:22:18 AM
For both questions, find a book called The Infinity Gauntlet.

This one?

(https://animationrevelation.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2Fa%2Faf%2FInfinity_Gauntlet_1.jpg&hash=8318f192f78df66e7afc219f781bc5e9ed44d94b)

Yes.

What do you know, Dr. Insomniac? You and me both have the same exact list. I guess there is someone on this board who has taste as good as mine, after all. :sly:

Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on May 05, 2012, 12:30:17 AM
Yes.

Got'cha. :thumbup:

I flat out hated Iron Man 2. Found it boring and morbidly depressing. Yeah I know Tony has issue but it shouldn't be that hamfisted an execution. Also who gives a shit about Whiplash? The film sure as hell didn't.

Hulk at least had the Abomination.

Iron Man 2 was one of those films I was in denial about when I first saw it. Honestly, it just didn't hold my interest that much, but for some reason I just forcibly convinced myself that it was a decent film, and maybe for some people it was. However, upon re-watching it not once, but two times, I can safely say that (to me) its just a disappointing follow-up to such a great first film, and even looking at it on its own, it just doesn't hold up. It seems way too focused on too many different things, or rather, it just doesn't seem focused at all.

To be clear, I didn't flat-out hate it like Lord Dalek (it takes a lot for me to actually "hate" something, even a movie), but I just don't like it at all. Its not really my type of film, to say the least.

I still think that they should have at least cut out the Tony dying subplot, since we all knew that he was going to be in Avengers, which would ruin the suspense.

Although I will say that like The Incredible Hulk, I haven't seen it since it was in theaters. Since it's the only one on instant queue, I'll probably change that this weekend.

To be honest, aside from both Iron Man movies, I haven't seen any of the other Avengers-related movies since they were in theaters, myself. Like others have said, "I need to change that."

I think the reason why I loathe IM2 so much is because of crippling disappointment. You loved the first one, the previews looked just as good, you paid your money, you saw the thing, and near immediately it hit you in the groin. I haven't seen the movie since opening day but I'm sure my opinions of it wouldn't change one bit. In fact there's only one Marvel movie that made me more angry upon first viewing and that was "THE NON-CANON X-MEN PREQUEL THAT WE WILL NEVER SPEAK OF AGAIN"(TM).

You mean the one featuring The Merc Without A Mouth?

Quote from: Foggle on May 05, 2012, 12:59:30 AM
You mean the one featuring The Merc Without A Mouth?

......yes that one.

Quote from: Lord Dalek on May 05, 2012, 01:03:06 AM

Quote from: Foggle on May 05, 2012, 12:59:30 AM
You mean the one featuring The Merc Without A Mouth?

......yes that one.

The video game was better. (No, really, it was.)

Quote from: Foggle on May 05, 2012, 01:03:58 AM

Quote from: Lord Dalek on May 05, 2012, 01:03:06 AM

Quote from: Foggle on May 05, 2012, 12:59:30 AM
You mean the one featuring The Merc Without A Mouth?

......yes that one.

The video game was better. (No, really, it was.)

I'd take Sir Steven of Blum over Van Wilder any day.

Right now I probably rank them as following

1. Avengers
2. Captain America
3. Iron Man 1
4. Thor
5. Hulk
6. Iron Man 2.

I actually do think I would rank Captain America over Iron Man 1, myself, if I got to see it again. I just haven't seen it since I was in theaters, while I've seen Iron Man 1 the most (its the only one of these movies that I actually own on DVD, after all). That said, Captain America really impressed me and personally he's my favorite of these super heroes based on the films, so once I get the chance to re-watch Captain America to see if it holds up as good as the first time I saw it, I think it may very well overtake Iron Man for me (the same goes for The Avengers, of course).

Well I'm going to see it again with my uncle tomorrow night. I'm already excited.

Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on May 05, 2012, 09:28:33 AM
I actually do think I would rank Captain America over Iron Man 1, myself, if I got to see it again. I just haven't seen it since I was in theaters, while I've seen Iron Man 1 the most (its the only one of these movies that I actually own on DVD, after all). That said, Captain America really impressed me and personally he's my favorite of these super heroes based on the films, so once I get the chance to re-watch Captain America to see if it holds up as good as the first time I saw it, I think it may very well overtake Iron Man for me (the same goes for The Avengers, of course).

Same here. I probably agree with Daxdiv's ranking the most, since I really enjoyed Captain America in these movies. He's never been a favorite of mine, but this portrayal felt very genuine to me. Just like Thor's and Iron Man's, but Captain America felt a bit more grounded to me despite being a popcorn action flick.

I would probably rank Thor and Iron Man 1 the same. Iron Man is probably better as a film, but I really enjoyed how Thor's development more than Tony's. Though I can't count out Iron Man since it was the first time I've genuinely liked the character. Both are pretty great superhero movies.

Iron Man 2 just doesn't stick to you at all. The only thing I genuinely enjoyed was the final battle and Tony's message from his father. The rest kind of just... was there.

The Hulk movies just didn't click with me. I think Bruce Banner works better with other heroes.

I actually greatly prefer Hulk in the Defenders, since he fit in better with them than he did with the Avengers.

Personally I thought Ed Norton did a good job as Bruce Banner. The same goes for Mark Ruffalo, but I can't fairly compare them unless Ruffalo got his own Hulk movie rather than just being part of The Avengers. Honestly I liked The Incredible Hulk quite a bit. I haven't read the comics, though, so I'm not sure what a better way to portray The Hulk would be, but I found that version of The Hulk to click pretty well for me, at least.

Anyways, on the topic of The Avengers, I just have to wonder if Marvel will ever be able to top this movie with a sequel. I mean, we all know that the inevitable success of this film will make The Avengers 2 a sure thing, but there's something special about seeing these super heroes team up together on the big screen for the first time that just can't be replicated in any sequel, since now you've already seen it. That said, I don't think we'll have to think about a sequel for quite a while, since Marvel now has to make quite a few stand alone movies to build up to the next major plot point that warrants the next Avengers movie.

I myself do really want to see this movie again, like....right now. I may even just go to the theaters myself and see it again later this week, if I can't get any friends to see it with me (since most of them have already seen it as well). I do honestly feel that this is probably the best of the Avengers series of movies (including the stand-alone movies as part of the same series, of course), but I just can't rank it at the top until I see it again (its sort of an unwritten rule of mine, I suppose).

I think Iron Man 3 is next. Which is too bad, since at this point I'd much rather a second Thor film. I'm not really sure how a second Captain America would go, though.

Aren't we getting both Iron Man 3 AND Thor 2 next summer, anyways?

If I'm not mistaken, Summer 2013 is the scheduled release window for both of those sequels, whereas Summer 2014 is the target release window for Captain America 2 (or so I've heard, anyways). I don't see what the big deal is if we get them both in the same season.

At any rate, I like Iron Man 1 and Thor, so I'm hoping that both sequels turn out to be great. I know that a lot of people, including myself, were turned off by Iron Man 2, but that doesn't automatically mean that I think Iron Man 3 will suck. I think it depends on how well the director responds to criticism of the 2nd film, and if he can actually realize what it is that made the first film work so well. As for Thor 2, I've heard that its supposedly supposed to be Marvel's most ambitious movie project next to The Avengers, but I have no idea what that's supposed to mean. Perhaps it'll delve into more detail about some of the other realms? I guess we'll have to wait and see to find out.

Overall, though, I think its safe to say that Marvel has definitely been on their A game since last year. The 3 movies that they released last summer were all good, if not great (X-Men: First Class, Thor, and Captain America: The First Avenger), and The Avengers is obviously and absolute hit, and arguably even their best film yet. As far as I'm concerned, that's 4 for 4 in the span of less than a year. Now we'll just have to see if The Amazing Spider-Man can actually manage to be a satisfying adaptation for both comic book fans and casual audiences alike.

I know that I was not keen on a reboot at first, but if only because Marvel seems to be on top of their superhero films now, I feel as though I might give this one a chance if it at least manages to get decent reviews.

Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on May 05, 2012, 07:28:46 PM
Aren't we getting both Iron Man 3 AND Thor 2 next summer, anyways?

Thor's coming out the week before Thanksgiving.

The schedule as it stands is...

May 3, 2013 - Iron Man 3
November 15, 2013 - Thor 2
April 4, 2014 - Captain America 2
TBD, 2015 - Incredible Hulk 2

This year or 2013?

Quote from: Brak's Dad on May 05, 2012, 09:07:03 PM
This year or 2013?

Next Year.

Quote from: Lord Dalek on May 05, 2012, 09:05:08 PM

Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on May 05, 2012, 07:28:46 PM
Aren't we getting both Iron Man 3 AND Thor 2 next summer, anyways?

Thor's coming out the week before Thanksgiving.

The schedule as it stands is...

May 3, 2013 - Iron Man 3
November 15, 2013 - Thor 2
April 4, 2014 - Captain America 2
TBD, 2015 - Incredible Hulk 2

Whenever Ryan Reynolds can finally be assed to do it - Deadpool

If they do a Deadpool movie with him in it, they'll have to take every effort to make sure that it has absolutely NO connections with Wolverine. That's why I'm thinking that if they ever did make it, they'd either go with a different actor or just give him a role in a rebooted X-Men Universe, but to be honest I think that they'd just replace him. After all, whether its his fault or not, he doesn't exactly have the best reputation among comic book fans and casual fans of super hero movies alike after Green Lantern.

Wolverine ain't canon, let's just leave it at that.

To me, only X-Men, X2, and First Class are canon. Everything else has as much relevancy to the X-Men franchise as Backstroke of the West has to the Star Wars movies.

It may not be canon, but its still hard to undo what has been done just by calling something un-canon. The funny thing about bad movies is that sometimes they can be remembered just as well as good movies, and people still haven't forgotten about Wolverine (for bad reasons, of course), so that doesn't really change anything. And like I said, Reynolds still doesn't have a great reputation after Green Lantern. To be fair, I think that's more the fault of the writers and director of that movie than Reynolds himself, but I'm not sure if everyone else sees it that way.

Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on May 05, 2012, 09:19:38 PM
To me, only X-Men, X2, and First Class are canon. Everything else has as much relevancy to the X-Men franchise as Backstroke of the West has to the Star Wars movies.

Actually, I remember Greg X made a post on Toon Zone last year and pointed out that First Class essentially writes both X3 and Wolverine out of canon in terms of how its continuity heavily conflicts with both of those films but seems to fit in line just fine for the most part with the first 2 X-Men movies. So, I do think that statement actually holds true.

I myself have no problem of pretending like X3 and Wolverine don't really exist in any way relative to the first 2 X-Men movies and First Class, myself. ;)

X-Men Origins is hard to reconcile with the the main series to begin with. What with Cyclops being in high school in 1979 and all.

Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on May 05, 2012, 09:16:23 PM
If they do a Deadpool movie with him in it, they'll have to take every effort to make sure that it has absolutely NO connections with Wolverine. That's why I'm thinking that if they ever did make it, they'd either go with a different actor or just give him a role in a rebooted X-Men Universe, but to be honest I think that they'd just replace him. After all, whether its his fault or not, he doesn't exactly have the best reputation among comic book fans and casual fans of super hero movies alike after Green Lantern.

Ryan Reynolds really wants to play Deadpool right, apparently. I've read a portion of the leaked script for the DP movie, and it's actually really good. Midway through the film, this happens:

QuoteCLOSE-UP of a Deadpool ACTION FIGURE from 'Wolverine Origins.' Mouth sewn shut. Blades implanted into the wrists. In the exact same POSE we just saw the real Deadpool.

    WADE (0.S.) A little piece of me curled up and died the day this came out.

    We PULL OUT to reveal that Wade is referring NOT to the action figure, but to WHAMl'S 'Music From the Edge of Heaven' LP, which he is now holding.

Wolverine can at least be explained as Wolverine's memory being hazy. I don't how you can explain X3.

You know what I really want? A Black Widow and Hawkeye prequel. Their backstory really seems like that they have the potential to hold their own movie.

Quote from: Brak's Dad on May 05, 2012, 09:37:14 PM
You know what I really want? A Black Widow and Hawkeye prequel. Their backstory really seems like that they have the potential to hold their own movie.

Scarlett Johansson has said that she wants to do one.

Well considering how much money the movie's has and is gonna make (it's already broken records in like every country it's been released in so far, and the estimates just went up for it's opening weekend in the US), I think we're definitely getting one then.

I wouldn't mind it. She was way better here than in Iron Man 2.

Quote from: Spark Of Spirit on May 05, 2012, 09:43:35 PM
I wouldn't mind it. She was way better here than in Iron Man 2.

Almost nothing was good in Iron Man 2.

Top 5 things about Iron Man 2-

1- Stan Lee being confused for Larry King
2- Tony Stark's dad being Walt Disney
3- The final fight scene
4- Don Cheadle is always pretty awesome
5- Scarlett Johansson's ass in leather (also applicable for Avengers)

I did not like Black Widow in Iron Man 2 because she almost had no character and felt pretty irrelevant to the plot.

I watched The Avengers and found her to be quite interesting, and now I'm convinced that the director of Iron Man 2 just did a bad job portraying her character since she was pretty much just shoehorned into the movie to tie-in with The Avengers.

I liked Hawkeye as well, in The Avengers, and I wouldn't mind seeing them get their own film. I actually did hear somewhere that Marvel might make actually give SHIELD (or at least the main characters of SHIELD) their own film based on their popularity in The Avengers, or something to that effect. I also heard that whether there would be any new Hulk movies ever again depended on how well his character would be received in The Avengers. On that front, I think we can actually expect a new stand-alone Hulk movie with Mark Ruffalo, if what I heard was true.

Yeah, they announced a new Hulk to come out just before The Avengers came out over here. Hulk has been testing very well in the movie, and you can obviously see why.

Oh, I forgot to mention, I think that Thor had the most epic entrance in the entire movie. I screamed out when he appeared.

Yeah, I have to agree about Thor. The way they built up his entrance just forced a smirk on me (though, a ton of things in this movie forced me to smile). I don't want to spoil it to anyone, but I think my favorite thing about his entrance was a certain character's reaction to it. I won't say anymore than that. ;)

Quote from: Brak's Dad on May 05, 2012, 10:14:07 PM
Yeah, they announced a new Hulk to come out just before The Avengers came out over here. Hulk has been testing very well in the movie, and you can obviously see why.

Oh, I forgot to mention, I think that Thor had the most epic entrance in the entire movie. I screamed out when he appeared.

Haha, every entrance in the movie I heard people of all ages react to. The character introductions were handled really well for all of them.

Thor's was particularly amazing, though.

I also gotta give props to Captain America's entrance (I don't mean his first appearance as Steve Rogers, but his "entrance" in his Captain America uniform). That was such a awesome moment while simultaneously feeling extremely genuine to the character (at least as I know him from the movies).

Oh, totally. Tony in Iron Man's suit was also great, since I wasn't expecting him to appear right then.

The other great thing about that moment is that it was the first time in the movie that we got to see 2 of the main heroes (in uniform) together in the same screen for the first time. I had to pause to take in the moment as soon as that realization hit me when the 2 of them acknowledge each other's presence:

"Mr. Stark"
"Captain"

Such a simple moment, yet so epic.

Man does it hold up the second time. Hawkeye is way more epic here than I initially thought, too.

I still don't get why people say that Hawkeye is underused in this film. I got just as much of a sense for his character as I did with Black Widow, and he certainly had plenty of bad-ass moments in the movie, or at least as much as Black Widow. I'm guessing it has something to do with a certain spoiler-related thing that involves him for the first 2 acts of the movie.

Hawkeye got exactly what he needed, in my opinion. He got to show off a lot without getting overbearing or in the way, and as a character got a surprising amount of screen time.

Actually, that's my biggest point for the movie. Pretty much every character, whether minor or major got some great action AND character moments. Which is quite amazing if you think about it.

If I have any gripe about the film its Whedon's head scratching decision to use 1.78:1. Makes it look like a tv movie compared to the solo films.

Quote from: Lord Dalek on May 06, 2012, 09:58:12 PM
If I have any gripe about the film its that Whedon's head scratching decision to use 1.78:1. Makes it look like a tv movie compared to the solo films.

Well, he's a TV director. Hard for old dogs to get used to new leashes.

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Quote from: Lord Dalek on May 06, 2012, 09:58:12 PM
If I have any gripe about the film its that Whedon's head scratching decision to use 1.78:1. Makes it look like a tv movie compared to the solo films.

Well, he's a TV director. Hard for old dogs to get used to new leashes.

Serenity was in Scope.

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Quote from: Lord Dalek on May 06, 2012, 09:58:12 PM
If I have any gripe about the film its that Whedon's head scratching decision to use 1.78:1. Makes it look like a tv movie compared to the solo films.

Well, he's a TV director. Hard for old dogs to get used to new leashes.

Serenity was in Scope.

All right, then he has no excuse. :thinkin:

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Quote from: Lord Dalek on May 06, 2012, 09:58:12 PM
If I have any gripe about the film its that Whedon's head scratching decision to use 1.78:1. Makes it look like a tv movie compared to the solo films.

Well, he's a TV director. Hard for old dogs to get used to new leashes.

Serenity was in Scope.

All right, then he has no excuse. :thinkin:

Well it comes off on the trade off being a substantially better movie.  :sly:

Seriously though, that's definitely something you guys would notice over me.

Avengers better than Serenity? I have to see it now.

I liked Serenity quite a lot, for the record (and I've never seen Firefly, so I could judge serenity without being a fan of the show). While I thought Serenity was great, this movie just blew my mind. Yeah, in terms of "best" superhero movie I would have to say The Dark Knight is still the reigning champion, but this movie is by far the most entertaining film in the genre that I have seen to date. I'd easily rank it within my top 50 favorite films of all time. Yeah, its a popcorn flick, but its the best damn fucking blockbuster I've ever seen, and probably ever will see for a long time to come.

Quote from: Foggle on May 06, 2012, 10:16:03 PM
Avengers better than Serenity? I have to see it now.

This is one of the best superhero movies. I'd say it's up there with The Dark Knight, X2,  Captain America, and the original Superman. Which are my personal favorites.

Looks like I now have a pretty clear top 5!

I've never really been big on superhero movies. I loved Kick-Ass, though; brilliant comedy.

But from what you guys say, it sounds like I'll really enjoy Avengers. Hopefully I'll get to see it with some of my mates before it leaves theaters.

To tell the truth, my favorite superhero movies end up deviating from being superhero movies. I like TDK because it manages to be a crime thriller where the detective just happens to dress up as a bat, First Class since it's like a 007 flick with mutants, and so on.

Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on May 06, 2012, 10:36:27 PM
To tell the truth, my favorite superhero movies end up deviating from being superhero movies. I like TDK because it manages to be a crime thriller where the detective just happens to dress up as a bat, First Class since it's like a 007 flick with mutants, and so on.

Is that why you enjoy Steel? Because it's a substandard Robocop rip off that happens to be about a superhero?  ;)

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Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on May 06, 2012, 10:36:27 PM
To tell the truth, my favorite superhero movies end up deviating from being superhero movies. I like TDK because it manages to be a crime thriller where the detective just happens to dress up as a bat, First Class since it's like a 007 flick with mutants, and so on.

Is that why you enjoy Steel? Because it's a substandard Robocop rip off that happens to be about a superhero?  ;)

Eh, Robocop itself is basically a superhero movie. Just happens to be darker.

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Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on May 06, 2012, 10:36:27 PM
To tell the truth, my favorite superhero movies end up deviating from being superhero movies. I like TDK because it manages to be a crime thriller where the detective just happens to dress up as a bat, First Class since it's like a 007 flick with mutants, and so on.

Is that why you enjoy Steel? Because it's a substandard Robocop rip off that happens to be about a superhero?  ;)

Eh, Robocop itself is basically a superhero movie. Just happens to be darker.

Does that mean Ichi The Killer is a superhero film?

Avengers and Serenity are completely different films, and hard to compare. I think that they're at the top of their respective genres, though.

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Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on May 06, 2012, 10:36:27 PM
To tell the truth, my favorite superhero movies end up deviating from being superhero movies. I like TDK because it manages to be a crime thriller where the detective just happens to dress up as a bat, First Class since it's like a 007 flick with mutants, and so on.

Is that why you enjoy Steel? Because it's a substandard Robocop rip off that happens to be about a superhero?  ;)

Eh, Robocop itself is basically a superhero movie. Just happens to be darker.

Does that mean Ichi The Killer is a superhero film?

Sure, why not?

Well if we wanna be technical, this is the best super hero movie of 'em all.

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Foggle, since we have similar taste in most other stuff, I think you would like The Avengers. That said, keep in mind that its awesomeness comes quite a bit from getting to see the individual heroes from their own movies team up in this one, so if you haven't seen all of the other Marvel superhero movies leading up to The Avengers then it might not mean quite as much to you. Even then, I still think you'd find it really entertaining (I saw it with a friend who had only seen Iron Man 1 and Thor, and he still loved the movie).

Really, though, while others have said that its essential to have seen ALL of the Marvel movies leading up to The Avengers, I have to disagree. I'd say that the only truly essential one would probably be Thor since it has the most bearing on the plot of The Avengers, what with Loki being the villain and all, but you definitely don't have to have seen Captain America and The Incredible Hulk to be able to enjoy The Avengers and understand what's going on, just so long as you have a little pre-knowledge that's enough to get the gist of each character.

You don't need to see Captain America, but I think you should. At the very least I think seeing Thor would be enough, but Captain America is a really good movie.

One of my friends actually hadn't seen any of the movies, or ANY Marvel movie for that matter, but she really enjoyed it.

I plan on watching Cap, Thor, and Iron Man (again) before seeing Avengers. Probably won't give Incredible Hulk a repeat viewing, though.

Yeah, you should definitely see Captain America. Its not essential viewing for watching The Avengers (as I said, Thor is the only film I think you should definitely see before watching The Avengers), but whenever you get a chance its really worth checking out. Even though I ranked Iron Man 1 above it, I really do think its the best of the Avengers-related movies next to The Avengers itself. I just feel as though I can't rank it above Iron Man until I see it at least once more to see how well it holds up on a repeat viewing. Really, though, even seeing it once was enough for me to realize what a great movie it is.

I recall really liking the dialogue in Captain America. Felt very Buffy-ish.

This post talks a little regarding what we know about the upcoming films, and what could possibly happen in them. (http://www.geeksofdoom.com/2012/05/07/whats-next-for-marvel-studios-assembling-the-avengers-sequel/) It's a very interesting read, and gets informative with Marvel and Avengers lore for those not well-versed in it, like EK.

I don't know if we'll get to registering in the movies, since Iron Man, Hulk and I think Captain America are already public, Thor doesn't have an alter ego (although I think he might make one in the sequel; he already took Donald Blake's name once in the first, so they might stick with that), and Black Widow and Hawkeye are already agents for SHIELD. At the same time though, the main reason Maria Hill exists was to get the heroes to register in the comics, and they're already doing that in the cartoon, so they might go with that here. It could go either way, but I'd honestly prefer if they don't, since that really fucked up the Marvel Universe.

Also, one thing that the article forgot to mention is that Coulson may not actually be dead. Whedon's hinted towards that being a very likely possibility.

Edit: And it's funny, my uncle and I were talking about characters that they could bring into the next one. and Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch did come to mind, but they probably wouldn't happen. It'd take too much effort to bring the X-Men into this universe, and I'm honestly not sure if Ian McKellen would still be able to play Magneto by the time we get to that point, since you have to find a way to acknowledge their history. Not to mention that they didn't bring Pietro and Wanda into the X-Men movies, so they might need another one to establish them.

And considering how intense Scarlet Witch can get, she might end up becoming the centerpiece of the whole movie, over Thanos or whoever else they go with.

Loki makes a good point. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog/2012/apr/19/avengers-assemble-tom-hiddleston-superhero)

Saw the movie again, this time in 3D. The effects were decent in 3D. The film still holds up. Dark Knight Rises has some big shoes to fill with this film.

This time, I did stay for the shawarma. It was neat a little scene, didn't add much to the film but I just loved how average the scene was.

QuoteThis time, I did stay for the shawarma. It was neat a little scene, didn't add much to the film but I just loved how average the scene was.

That was the most Whedonesque scene of the entire movie.

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QuoteThis time, I did stay for the shawarma. It was neat a little scene, didn't add much to the film but I just loved how average the scene was.

That was the most Whedonesque scene of the entire movie.

It was a nice play against the other stingers from the other Marvel films before this. While I wouldn't want to see it again in another film, it worked here.

My friends and I are gonna try some shawarma latter this week.

You know, I was thinking about the film, and there's one thing that kind of bothers me. Remember how Thor takes Loki around the earlier half of the film to get the location of the Tesseract from him and also drag him back to Asgard? While talking with Loki, Iron Man rams into Thor and then they start fighting each other until Captain America intervenes. During all of this time Loki is just completely free to go, since nobody is there to stop him from doing anything. Now, I know that he wanted to be caught by them since it was part of his plans, but if he just stayed there and didn't even try to run wouldn't that just pretty much give him away? Then again, they seemed to know that he was planning something but had to keep him locked up regardless, but how awkward must it have been for him to get caught again while not trying to resist with force or even run away? I'm guessing they skipped that scene for a reason. Its just a really awkward scenario when you stop to think about it.

At any rate, that's not really a plot-hole since it can be explained, but one thing that bugs me about the movie that I can't find an explanation for his how the hell Bruce Banner knew where the hell to find and meet up with the rest of the team during the final battle in the movie. I mean, I never saw any way he could have contacted any of them in particular to find out where they were in the city, and its not like New York is exactly a small place, so I found it kind of awkward that he just casually stumbles upon them when most of them happened to already be grouped into one location. Its not a big complaint since it allows some awesome scenes to finally commence when him present, but it really doesn't make much sense to me when I stop to think about it.

The Avengers was a good movie, and I rarely say that about movies. The build ups to this movie were brilliant. Everyone played their parts well. The characters' contrasting personalities and attitudes meshed very well together. I didn't expect to care about Hawkeye or Black Widow very much (if at all), but I did. It would have been nice to have gotten Ms. Marvel, but Marvel would likely have wanted to set her up with a solo movie or at least have her featured prominently in a Captain Marvel solo movie before putting her with The Avengers.

Perhaps sometime in the year 2030 or 2040, we'll be talking about the Justice League movie, although at this point I'd settle for a Superman/Batman team-up or a Wonder Woman movie.

Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on May 10, 2012, 08:04:33 PM
You know, I was thinking about the film, and there's one thing that kind of bothers me. Remember how Thor takes Loki around the earlier half of the film to get the location of the Tesseract from him and also drag him back to Asgard? While talking with Loki, Iron Man rams into Thor and then they start fighting each other until Captain America intervenes. During all of this time Loki is just completely free to go, since nobody is there to stop him from doing anything. Now, I know that he wanted to be caught by them since it was part of his plans, but if he just stayed there and didn't even try to run wouldn't that just pretty much give him away? Then again, they seemed to know that he was planning something but had to keep him locked up regardless, but how awkward must it have been for him to get caught again while not trying to resist with force or even run away? I'm guessing they skipped that scene for a reason. Its just a really awkward scenario when you stop to think about it.

One thing I noticed during this scene the second time I saw the film is that Loki is just totally enjoying the fight. Watch his expression- it's like he's a Caesar watching gladiator fights. You can tell that he's loving.

That, and yeah, Loki wanted to be captured by the Avengers, so he could enrage and control the Hulk to his whim.

Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on May 10, 2012, 08:04:33 PMAt any rate, that's not really a plot-hole since it can be explained, but one thing that bugs me about the movie that I can't find an explanation for his how the hell Bruce Banner knew where the hell to find and meet up with the rest of the team during the final battle in the movie. I mean, I never saw any way he could have contacted any of them in particular to find out where they were in the city, and its not like New York is exactly a small place, so I found it kind of awkward that he just casually stumbles upon them when most of them happened to already be grouped into one location. Its not a big complaint since it allows some awesome scenes to finally commence when him present, but it really doesn't make much sense to me when I stop to think about it.

That I think was sheer storytelling coincidence. A cheap method, but nothing worth arguing about.

One thing I still don't get myself comes back from Thor- the ending, rather. Did it take place before or after the movie? Because we see Loki return to Earth for the first time since the last year in the beginning of The Avengers, so I just wonder when he impersonated Selvig. If it was before he and Thor came to Earth, how did he know who Selvig was, if it was during, at what time did Fury show up and did Loki get the time to meet up with him, and there isn't a logical way for it to happen after he and Thor returned to Asgard.

Quote from: Goldstar on May 10, 2012, 09:14:41 PM
It would have been nice to have gotten Ms. Marvel, but Marvel would likely have wanted to set her up with a solo movie or at least have her featured prominently in a Captain Marvel solo movie before putting her with The Avengers.

There's a lot of characters they could have added in, but I don't think that Marvel wanted to over-saturate the film with heroes. Ms. Marvel would've been a good choice, but I'm happy with the six they went with myself. I do think that she would be a viable addition to add into the next film, however, if we're going cosmic. In fact, I would not be surprised if they introduce her in Thor 2.

So, are there any chances we can get Black Panther, or is that just wishful thinking? I actually came to like him quite a bit as a character on Avengers: EMH, so I wouldn't mind seeing him in as an addition, even though I'm sure the comic book fans could point out a bunch of other heroes they'd much rather have on the team in the next film.

I hear that the screenplay for a Black Panther film has been finished and is waiting approval. I still think that we're more likely to get more cosmic heroes, but I can see him join.

I like him because to me, he's the closest thing the Avengers have to a Batman, and every superhero team needs a Batman, IMO. :sly:

So who do you think gets your vote for Best Avenger? Let's only stick to the six in the movie for now.

It's funny, although Hawkeye is my favorite in the comics, I can't say the same about him in the movieverse. I think it's because he's had the least amount of screentime so far (even Black Widow had a subplot in Iron Man 2; before Avengers, all Clint had was a blink-and-you'll-miss-it cameo in Thor), although I will attest that whenever he's fighting in the film, he is a total badass. I might have to slide with Thor for now. I really liked his development in his movie, and he still had a lot of great moments in Avengers.

If I had to be fair, I'd say that Captain America had the strongest character development throughout his appearances, Iron Man is the most fun, Black Widow was the most improved overall, and Hulk was the most epic in the battlegrounds. I think Thor has a little bit of everything, myself, which is why I side with him.

For me it has to be Captain America. As you mentioned, he had the most development in this movie by far (well, I'd argue that Bruce Banner may have been on par with him, but they both got a lot of focus, either way), and I just like how he managed to prove his relevance in the team without any super powers like Thor or the Hulk or high-tech machinery like Iron Man. True, Black Widow and Hawkeye didn't have superpowers either and they were definitely proven relevant, but lets face it, the Cap got WAY more screen-time than the both of them combined, so naturally its easier to get more familiar with his character in this film (especially since he was the last avenger to have his own film before this movie....which is ironic considering that he's the "first" Avenger ;) ). I also liked how he acted like a leader towards the end of the film and relegated everyone to their proper strategic positions during the final battle in the film. I mean, the dude actually gave orders to Thor, a demi-god, for crying out loud. How many other heroes can get away with doing that? :thumbup:

Also, if you count "smash" as an order, that would technically mean he ordered around The Hulk as well, which is just beyond insanely bad-ass. :D

Yeah, pretty much. Captain America did really well for himself here. But then again, I thought his movie was the best of the others, too.  :P

My vote goes to Iron Man for his high-tech and his entertainment value alone. Robert Downey Jr. is Tony Stark. It's not wonder RDJ plays the role so well. I thought that the others did well also, though. I even enjoyed Bruce Banner in the movie!

I might as well change my vote to Hawkeye. Jeremy Renner does a great job either way, and he's badass in every action sequence he gets.

I've also been thinking, if they want to do a Nick Fury movie showing his earlier day at SHIELD, they might have to find someone younger to play Fury. Sam Jackson's too old to be able to pull off some of the crazy missions Fury did back in the day. They can bring him back in a flash-forward at the end, but otherwise, it'd be too weird.

And I don't think we'd ever get a Howlin' Commandos movie. That part of Fury's history seems to be forgotten, and they'd have to change it from WWII to like the Gulf War or something.

I'd be fine with a SHIELD movie that gives plenty of focus to Fury, Hawkeye and Black Widow. Despite not having as big a role in this film as the main stars, I could still say that Jeremy Renner did a fantastic job as Hawkeye from what I I saw of him, though I'm saying that strictly going by the film since of course I have no idea how this interpretation of the character compares to the comics.

He's a lot more wiley in the comics. I think the cartoon does a good job with a more literal interpretation of Hawkeye, but I do really like his more toned-down approach in the movie.

I heard somewhere that he was originally a villain in the comics. Is that why the movie had as a villain (sort of) for the first 2 acts of the film? I think that might be why people say he was underused, since we only got to see him as a hero in the final act, but honestly we still did get to see him through a good few chunks of the film, and he had plenty of bad-ass moments to himself, even when working under the control of Loki.

Yeah, it's funny, he faced Iron Man a few times as a villain before reforming... and taking Iron Man's place in the Avengers during the first team change-up.

Word on the street is that a Ms. Marvel script has been completed. If it's true, Goldstar might just get his wish. I think that she'd make for a great addition myself, and I'm especially optimistic for the possibility to see how a female super hero film will turn out. The fairer sex always gets the shaft when it comes to things like this, and hopefully this film will prove to people that not only can female super heroes hold their own, but make for just as interesting characters as their male counterparts. The positive reception for Black Widow is a step in the right direction, but she still doesn't have a film of her own.

And it's also been reported that Edgar Wright might finally finish that Ant-Man film of his. Another good call if true, since if anyone should've been added into the universe at this point, it's Hank Pym.

Another character I'd really like to see added in is Mockingbird. They could introduce her in any given film and it'd make sense. Captain America 2 would work well since one of her earliest missions was to find a replicate of the serum that gave Steve Rogers his super strength, and Iron Man 3 or Thor 2 might just have room. And if they do make a Hawkeye or Shield film, that'd be perfect, so they can show off her ties to Clint and the agency.

Sucks that the Jessica Jones pilot got canned though. Now that was an Avenger I wanted to see on screen.

The rerelease is totally happening, starting tomorrow and lasting for about a week.

I'm actually going tomorrow, because I want my mom to see it and this would be the only chance I get to have her go.

Nice. Hopefully I'll get to see it this time.

If you can't, remember that the DVD/Blu is coming out in a couple of weeks.

Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on May 03, 2012, 07:54:08 PM
Though admittedly, there are a lot strikes against the movie. Like how Jack Kirby's family won't make any money out of it, how it's basically a 2-hour commercial to sell toys and fuel sequels, how Edward Norton didn't come back, and plenty more.

Why didn't he come back?

Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on May 05, 2012, 12:19:33 AM
Yeah, this movie has kind of gotten me interested in "trying" to pursue some of the comics again. I'd be up for reading any good and reasonably affordable compilation volumes any of the main Marvel superheroes (preferably ones that tell the best stories, of course), if anyone has any good recommendations. Yeah, I know I usually don't end up getting the comics, but I swear I'll get into them eventually. I just need to get a job this summer so I have money to spend on stuff like comics. Now that my Pharm Tech license has finally come in, I should get cracking on that. :sly:

Oh yeah, if anyone can let me know about who that character was in the middle of the end credits (possibly through PM to avoid spoilers for others), that'd be great. I'm really curious, and now I just HAVE to know.

Congratulations and...

Uh, Do you actually have a point in randomly quoting a post that I made months ago or are you just crying out for meaningless attention like usual?

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Quote from: Dr. Insomniac on May 03, 2012, 07:54:08 PM
Though admittedly, there are a lot strikes against the movie. Like how Jack Kirby's family won't make any money out of it, how it's basically a 2-hour commercial to sell toys and fuel sequels, how Edward Norton didn't come back, and plenty more.

Why didn't he come back?

He didn't want to.

Quote from: Avaitor on May 23, 2012, 06:45:53 PM
Word on the street is that a Ms. Marvel script has been completed. If it's true, Goldstar might just get his wish. I think that she'd make for a great addition myself, and I'm especially optimistic for the possibility to see how a female super hero film will turn out. The fairer sex always gets the shaft when it comes to things like this, and hopefully this film will prove to people that not only can female super heroes hold their own, but make for just as interesting characters as their male counterparts. The positive reception for Black Widow is a step in the right direction, but she still doesn't have a film of her own.

And it's also been reported that Edgar Wright might finally finish that Ant-Man film of his. Another good call if true, since if anyone should've been added into the universe at this point, it's Hank Pym.

Another character I'd really like to see added in is Mockingbird. They could introduce her in any given film and it'd make sense. Captain America 2 would work well since one of her earliest missions was to find a replicate of the serum that gave Steve Rogers his super strength, and Iron Man 3 or Thor 2 might just have room. And if they do make a Hawkeye or Shield film, that'd be perfect, so they can show off her ties to Clint and the agency.

He's the perfect person to do the Deadpool movie.

Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on August 30, 2012, 07:04:28 PM
Uh, Do you actually have a point in randomly quoting a post that I made months ago or are you just crying out for meaningless attention like usual?

Oh and you're stupid for not knowing who was at the end of The Avengers movie.

I'm stupid because I didn't read Marvel comic books before watching The Avengers movie? Brilliant GSF-quality logic at its best. According to him, people's intelligence has to do with their knowledge of fictional stories that were produced for teenage to young adult readers of the nerdy variety over the past few decades. I'm sure that they'll give you a nobel prize someday for your genius insight.

Seriously, though, you're more desperate for attention than Talon, and that's a pretty sad thing.

I can never say anything ill about one who insults talon. :humhumhum:

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Quote from: Avaitor on May 23, 2012, 06:45:53 PM
Word on the street is that a Ms. Marvel script has been completed. If it's true, Goldstar might just get his wish. I think that she'd make for a great addition myself, and I'm especially optimistic for the possibility to see how a female super hero film will turn out. The fairer sex always gets the shaft when it comes to things like this, and hopefully this film will prove to people that not only can female super heroes hold their own, but make for just as interesting characters as their male counterparts. The positive reception for Black Widow is a step in the right direction, but she still doesn't have a film of her own.

And it's also been reported that Edgar Wright might finally finish that Ant-Man film of his. Another good call if true, since if anyone should've been added into the universe at this point, it's Hank Pym.

Another character I'd really like to see added in is Mockingbird. They could introduce her in any given film and it'd make sense. Captain America 2 would work well since one of her earliest missions was to find a replicate of the serum that gave Steve Rogers his super strength, and Iron Man 3 or Thor 2 might just have room. And if they do make a Hawkeye or Shield film, that'd be perfect, so they can show off her ties to Clint and the agency.

He's the perfect person to do the Deadpool movie.

Actually, I could see that work.

He's the only guy that has made a somewhat recent shoot em up action comedy that's worth talking about. I think it would work out fine.

21 Jump Street?

The Sitter?

21 Jump Street looks like drivel and I hope that's not that Jackie Chan movie. Recent Hollywood action Jackie Chan movies =/= good.

Quote from: gunswordfist on August 30, 2012, 08:19:50 PM
21 Jump Street looks like drivel and I hope that's not that Jackie Chan movie. Recent Hollywood action Jackie Chan movies =/= good.

No.

 :D Then I don't know. This year was the first time I went to the theaters in a few years.

I actually enjoyed 21 Jump Street (to my surprise). Its not a great comedy but its certainly far more entertaining than I expected.

Ah, so it looks like it is playing tonight, right as I'll be in town for a job fair. I'll have to make a point of going afterwards; definitely worth seeing again.

Yep, it's as great as ever. :thumbup:

Although it really does prove that Iron Man 2 was useless. Despite all the build-up to Avengers in it, all the film equated to here was a couple of throwaway references. Even The Incredible Hulk had more importance, and it didn't even keep the same actor as Banner.

I've been in the mood to watch it again, and there's one little bit that really stands out to me.

When Bruce Banner and Natasha are in the hut in Calcutta, check out when Banner says "Well I don't every time get what I want", and see what he's doing. Poor Hulk can't be a daddy.

I finally watched it! It was good, but it didn't really wow me outside of the final act. The battle scenes with the not-Skrulls were excellent and it definitely had its share of great moments sprinkled throughout, but I found the plot itself lacking and many of the scenes downright boring. The dialogue and characterization didn't impress me much either; I expected better from Joss Whedon. But all in all, I liked the movie a fair bit.

The movie is much better coming off of the films leading up to it. It doesn't really mean as much watching it as a stand-alone film, admittedly. I do agree though that the plot is nothing special, but its simple enough to have more focus on the characters than the story, which I was personally glad about as we only needed a basic story for this movie, anyways.

As for boring scenes....you sure have a strange definition of boring. If nothing else, the movie was just flat-out fun. :sly:

I dunno, I found a lot of the conversations between characters unexciting... and while that might have partially been because I've only seen the Iron Man films, I found the majority of the non-quip dialogue pretty dry in general. I agree that it's a fun movie, especially in the final act, but I also think it ran about 20-30 minutes too long.

Quote from: Foggle on December 14, 2012, 02:48:32 AM
I dunno, I found a lot of the conversations between characters unexciting... and while that might have partially been because I've only seen the Iron Man films, I found the majority of the non-quip dialogue pretty dry in general. I agree that it's a fun movie, especially in the final act, but I also think it ran about 20-30 minutes too long.

What you said pretty much describes Batman Begins and The Dark Knight Rises in a nutshell. :bleh:

No, but seriously, I can't think of a single moment in the movie that I found to be boring. And naturally my opinion is undisputedly correct, as always. :>

Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on December 14, 2012, 03:04:51 AM
What you said pretty much describes Batman Begins and The Dark Knight Rises in a nutshell. :bleh:

:srs:

Yeah, I didn't really find any of it boring. I can understand that you'd expect the movie to be a little more quip-heavy, considering Whedon's typical writing, but he wisely cut down on jokes like that and saved them for the characters who would speak like one of his characters, like Tony. Cap, Thor and the others have sharp lines too, but he finds sharper ways to use them.

I still think the characters bickered too much.

Eh, humans are so very petty. And tiny.

Quote from: Avaitor on December 14, 2012, 10:12:55 AM
Yeah, I didn't really find any of it boring. I can understand that you'd expect the movie to be a little more quip-heavy, considering Whedon's typical writing, but he wisely cut down on jokes like that and saved them for the characters who would speak like one of his characters, like Tony. Cap, Thor and the others have sharp lines too, but he finds sharper ways to use them.

You probably need to actually care about the characters to enjoy this movie for more than just the action scenes. But the only ones I like at all are Iron Man and Nick Fury (Black Widow was cool too, I suppose).

Quote from: gunswordfist on December 14, 2012, 10:26:57 AM
I still think the characters bickered too much.

Yeah, I agree. Note for the sequel: more flying metal space whales, less superhero bickering!

Quote from: Foggle on December 14, 2012, 11:50:48 AM

Quote from: Avaitor on December 14, 2012, 10:12:55 AM
Yeah, I didn't really find any of it boring. I can understand that you'd expect the movie to be a little more quip-heavy, considering Whedon's typical writing, but he wisely cut down on jokes like that and saved them for the characters who would speak like one of his characters, like Tony. Cap, Thor and the others have sharp lines too, but he finds sharper ways to use them.

You probably need to actually care about the characters to enjoy this movie for more than just the action scenes. But the only ones I like at all are Iron Man and Nick Fury (Black Widow was cool too, I suppose).

Yeah, I get that. It's kind of hard to get into the other characters if you haven't seen their movies.

Quote from: Foggle on December 14, 2012, 11:50:48 AM
You probably need to actually care about the characters to enjoy this movie for more than just the action scenes. But the only ones I like at all are Iron Man and Nick Fury (Black Widow was cool too, I suppose).

Fuck you. :anger:

Captain America >>>>>>>>>>> Iron Man

Quote from: gunswordfist on December 14, 2012, 10:26:57 AM
Yeah, I agree. Note for the sequel: more flying metal space whales, less superhero bickering!

Uh, That's kind of the point. Much like an old Greek or Roman epic, the "heroes" in this Universe all have huge egos, so they aren't supposed to get along too well. Its a very basic and old kind of story of heroes who are on the same side yet initially look down on the others for various reasons. Its a predictable formula but it works well for this movie in which its basically a group of the world's strongest heroes forcing themselves to cooperate to fight a greater evil. Its not like the X-Men where they are used to working as a team, as most of these guys operate individually on a regular basis, so clashing with the egos of other heroes who works the same way is what causes turmoil among them and they have to force themselves to work like a team, which is where the pay-off comes in the ending. Its basically meant to be one of the most simple tales just escalated to epic proportions.

That may be the point, but there still wasn't a high enough flying metal space whale to superhero bickering ratio for my taste. :P

Quote from: Foggle on December 14, 2012, 02:20:49 PM
That may be the point, but there still wasn't a high enough flying metal space whale to superhero bickering ratio for my taste. :P

So in other words you want a Michael Bay movie. :>

Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on December 14, 2012, 02:25:01 PM
So in other words you want a Michael Bay movie. :>

I think I was subconsciously expecting and wanting one. :happytime: Seriously though, the action scenes were fucking awesome. I didn't much care for the first act, but I liked the rest a lot. Not as much as everyone else did obviously, but it's still one of the best superhero films I've seen, right behind TDK and TDKR.

Oh, also, the post-credits scene with all the heroes eating fast food was by far the highlight of this year in cinema.

My friends and I are still planning a swaharma date.

Quote from: Foggle on December 14, 2012, 02:20:49 PM
That may be the point, but there still wasn't a high enough flying metal space whale to superhero bickering ratio for my taste. :P

All that needs to be said here.

Quote from: Foggle on December 14, 2012, 02:47:25 PM
Oh, also, the post-credits scene with all the heroes eating fast food was by far the highlight of this year in cinema.

What? I've never seen that.

Quote from: Foggle on December 14, 2012, 02:15:14 AM
I expected better from Joss Whedon.

I didn't, and was quite surprised!

But I think a lot of the enjoyment comes from watching all three movies for each hero and understanding where they all come from. It makes the conflicts they have a lot more interesting and fun to watch. I also agree with ensatsu-ken that Captain America was an awesome movie that should really be watched, and helps his conflicts with Iron Man make more sense when you get where he comes from. Thor is great too, but to a lesser extent.

I might be in the minority, but I thought the action scenes at S.H.I.E.L.D. were the best parts of the movie. There was just so much going on, and it was all really fun to watch happen.

It's funny though, I know a lot of people who came into the movie completely blind and fell in love regardless. Like my mom, who had and still hasn't seen any of the films.

Another thing I really liked about the film was that Maria Hill wasn't an incompetent shrew like she is in the comics and cartoon, and is actually kinda likable. She's mostly Fury's second-hand, but Cobie's such a fun actress that it's hard to not like her.

I barely remember her in the movie because her part was so small. Either way, I was surprised to see her in the film at all. Maria was created in the 00s unlike all the other much older characters in the film, right?

...yeah, if I didn't know who Maria Hill was, I'd be like, "Oh hey, it's Robin. That's cool, I guess." and nothing else.

Quote from: gunswordfist on December 15, 2012, 10:34:19 AM
I barely remember her in the movie because her part was so small. Either way, I was surprised to see her in the film at all. Maria was created in the 00s unlike all the other much older characters in the film, right?

Yeah, she's a very recent character. Her first appearance was only in 2005, and she didn't really gain prominence until Civil War.

I'm surprised that they even added Hill in the movie at all, since her main purpose in the comics and cartoon is to have the super heroes outed and register, when pretty much all of the Avengers already either are one or the other. I guess they just wanted another member of S.H.I.E.L.D. to help around, and didn't feel like creating another original character like Coulson.

Quote from: Avaitor on December 15, 2012, 10:38:34 AM

Quote from: gunswordfist on December 15, 2012, 10:34:19 AM
I barely remember her in the movie because her part was so small. Either way, I was surprised to see her in the film at all. Maria was created in the 00s unlike all the other much older characters in the film, right?

Yeah, she's a very recent character. Her first appearance was only in 2005, and she didn't really gain prominence until Civil War.

I'm surprised that they even added Hill in the movie at all, since her main purpose in the comics and cartoon is to have the super heroes outed and register, when pretty much all of the Avengers already either are one or the other. I guess they just wanted another member of S.H.I.E.L.D. to help around, and didn't feel like creating another original character like Coulson.

I wonder if they'll actually make her S.H.I.E.L.D director. Seriously.

Also, I didn't know she was in any cartoon.

I never read any of the comics, but I remember her from Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes. She's a real bitch in that show, though she's intentionally written that way.

Quote from: Ensatsu-ken on December 15, 2012, 02:01:21 PM
I never read any of the comics, but I remember her from Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes. She's a real bitch in that show, though she's intentionally written that way.

That's a word I'd use to describe her. She's in Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2 too and she's the same way in that too.

I introduce to you the greatest gifset ever made. (http://matafari.tumblr.com/post/36818390520)

I should say that I watched this with my parents back on New Years, and my dad had not seen it before. He seemed to really enjoy it and was surprised that Nick Fury had so much to do (being that he grew up with his books) which seemed to thrill him.

The movie holds up, really. As far as popcorn movies go, it's great.

So, while the deleted scenes have been out for a while back when the DVD released (which I never picked up), I just happened to come across this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dehn8RqOt7U) one. Now, I can understand why it was cut out of the theatrical film, as it slows down the pace of the movie and wouldn't mean much to anyone who didn't see or care about Captain America. However, being that he's my favorite Avenger as far as the movie-verse goes, I really liked what I saw in this scene, in how Captain America is finding hardship in adjusting to the modern times and relating to or even understanding the people and technology around him. That said, a scene like this feels more fitting for somethings like Captain America 2 than it does for The Avengers (despite its reference to Tony Stark/Iron Man), so it does make sense that it was cut from the final film. I do like that it gives us some insight into what the "normal" aspects of Steve Roger's modern life are like, though.

Since Cap was my favorite Avengers too, I have to agree. That scene is amazing.

I still haven't even seen Captain America yet.

Yeah yeah, I know.

Watched it again tonight for like the 4th time. Still great.

That scene with Hulk beating the absolute shit out of Loki... never gets old.

having watched avengers emh sometime after this movie, an important realization came to me...






this film is the only work of fiction i've come across where maria hill is not a bitch.